How We Are Building Profitable Niche Sites.

by Mosa
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Over the past 4 months, my partner and I have built our passive income to over $170 per Day. It wasn't an easy road, we had to struggle to learn what was really working and how to put it into practice. Here is how we did it:

Keyword Research (1st Week):

We do all of our keyword research in Long Tail Pro and SEMrush. We are going after only Low Competition keywords. Here's the criteria:


General Criteria:
Exact Local Search Volume (ELSV): At least 800
CPC: At least $0.80
Even though we are using these minimums, we want ELSV x CPC = at least 1000. In other words, if the CPC is $0.80, we will only go for it if the ELSV is at least 1250 because 0.80 x 1250 = 1000.


Top Ten Competition Criteria:
We are specifically looking at the strength of the competition for the keyword in the top ten of Google. We are looking for the following:
At least 3 PR 0s
The PR 0's have weak backlink profiles (Less than 20 backlinks according to Long Tail Pro)
Presence of other Made For Adsense or Sniper sites with Exact Match Domains (This is a great sign)
Presence of "Weak Authority Sites". (Many authority sites rank for long tail keywords that they aren't really optimized for, this is potentially a good sign)

On Page Optimization (2nd Week):

Domain Criteria:
We will always prefer Exact Match Domains (EMD)
If EMD is not available we may go for the Partial Match Domain (PMD)

General Criteria:
Title is the exact match keyword
Description contains the exact keyword at least once
Keywords in tags include exact keyword, partial matched keywords, and other related keywords

Plugins:
Platinum SEO Pack
CBnet Ping Optimizer
Google XML Sitemaps

Article:
1000 words
1% Keyword Density
Related/LSI keywords sprinkled throughout the article
Keyword in H1
Keyword Bolded once
Keyword in Image Anchor text
Keyword linking back to home page
Keyword linking to an external authority page.

Only one article is used to begin with.

Indexing:

Site is pinged with CBnet Ping Optimizer, Pingler and with 'Quick Index' by ProfitInstruments.
Social Adr - Each Site is submitted for 20 bookmarks

Backlinking (3rd Week):

Backlinking is done with Magic Submitter or by using our VA who builds Software/Pad links.


Magic Submitter:
The campaign will simply consist of Web 2.0s, Article Directories, and Social bookmarks in the first tier. The second tier will have social bookmarks and RSS. This linking strategy will be used for any Partial Match Domains that we have.


VA Link Building:
The VA is building software and inserting links into the PAD file which is then submitted to several software directories. This strategy is used for any Exact Match Domains that we have.



Outcome:
Ranking should take up to 2 months after the backlinks have been added depending on the competition strength of the keyword and whether or not you get an Exact Match Domain or a Partial Match Domain. We've been able to rank as quickly as 1 week though. We expect the sites to earn an average of around $15/month once they are ranked well in the search engines.

That's all for now Folks!
- Josh @ WSOtesters
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankMiller
    Solid post. That is a much smaller search volume than I typically target, but glad to hear its working for you!
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    • Profile picture of the author MartinBuckley
      Congrats on your success!

      Thanks for sharing your story.

      All the best,

      Martin
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
    How do you determine CPC?
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    • Profile picture of the author speedbird
      Originally Posted by DaveWarrior View Post

      How do you determine CPC?
      Use the Google Traffic Estimation tool.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Here are the traffic stats for the 30 sites we're currently working on.


        Before you ask it... Yes, we are breaking the guidelines we set for our "minimums" on some of the keywords, but we wanted to run a test on this because in the past we've noticed keywords that earn up to 6x what we expected them to earn. Most of the keywords here are EMD.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          One thing I never understand about you micro niche builders, why are you even bothering with tools like Magic Submitter and such. Same like Adsense Flippers, they are struggling with rankings for easy keywords mostly while especially for these sites it can be so incredibly easy to just buy a bunch of expired high PR domains and 1 or 2 links is plenty to rank it to the top 3 in most cases.

          If you launch so many sites the budget isn't the problem.

          Am I missing anything here?
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          • Profile picture of the author Mosa
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            One thing I never understand about you micro niche builders, why are you even bothering with tools like Magic Submitter and such. Same like Adsense Flippers, they are struggling with rankings for easy keywords mostly while especially for these sites it can be so incredibly easy to just buy a bunch of expired high PR domains and 1 or 2 links is plenty to rank it to the top 3 in most cases.

            If you launch so many sites the budget isn't the problem.

            Am I missing anything here?
            I believe Hayden Miyamoto does something like this. I actually plan on building a network as well once I empty off some of the other projects on my plate.
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  • Profile picture of the author DaveWarrior
    Also do you think this is a long term strategy? Aren't you 1 Google update away from destruction with this strategy?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You achieved $170/day all through SEO? Despite panda and penguin?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexyew
    Congratulations on your achievement.

    Try to build a solid system and hire a team to follow this procedure. You can expand your internet marketing business very fast by employing people.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by FrankMiller View Post

      Solid post. That is a much smaller search volume than I typically target, but glad to hear its working for you!
      The numbers we posted are minimums, so we typically get a higher search volume with our actual keywords. We'd like to get really high search volume, but once we do that, we start to dive into high competition keywords, and we're not quite there yet.

      Originally Posted by DaveWarrior View Post

      How do you determine CPC?
      We look at the Google Keyword Tool. Typically the actual CPC is 30-40% of the amount shown on the Google Keyword tool.

      Originally Posted by DaveWarrior View Post

      Also do you think this is a long term strategy? Aren't you 1 Google update away from destruction with this strategy?
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      You achieved $170/day all through SEO? Despite panda and penguin?
      Yes, it still works post penguin. I think MicroNiche sites will always have a place for long tail keywords, simply because Authority sites don't cover everything. Some authority sites rank for long tail keywords with just one 100 word paragraph. I guarantee that the 3 page blog I build will carry more value than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author stanleyday25
    I am new here so please excuse my ignorance but I am a bit confused by the numbers; If you expect to earn $15.00 per month from a site, how many sites do you need to earn $170.00 per day?
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      Originally Posted by stanleyday25 View Post

      I am new here so please excuse my ignorance but I am a bit confused by the numbers; If you expect to earn $15.00 per month from a site, how many sites do you need to earn $170.00 per day?
      $170 x 30 = $5100 / $15 = 340 sites

      That would take some fairly serious outsourcing to pull off.
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      • Profile picture of the author boxoun
        Originally Posted by keyon View Post

        $170 x 30 = $5100 / $15 = 340 sites

        That would take some fairly serious outsourcing to pull off.
        Only takes serious outsourcing for math newbs. So off not even funny.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by boxoun View Post

          Only takes serious outsourcing for math newbs. So off not even funny.
          Umm, why? He said $15/month each (which is about accurate for such sites). $170/day puts you at $5100/month... how many sites is that?

          The strategy is flawed unless you have all of these at your disposal: a big outsourcing budget, a good list of contacts and most importantly a way to sell off a ton of tiny low quality sites for big multiples. Very few people can pull this off (this is why I'm absolutely amazed by the marketing/organizational skills of the guys at adsenseflippers).
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

            Umm, why? He said $15/month each (which is about accurate for such sites). $170/day puts you at $5100/month... how many sites is that?

            The strategy is flawed unless you have all of these at your disposal: a big outsourcing budget, a good list of contacts and most importantly a way to sell off a ton of tiny low quality sites for big multiples. Very few people can pull this off (this is why I'm absolutely amazed by the marketing/organizational skills of the guys at adsenseflippers).
            I agree with the outsourcing budget indeed, the biggest hassle.

            For the rest it's not "that" hard to organize, 1 guy for kw research, 1 guy to install the sites, and a bunch of content writers and linkbuilders, it's not rocket science really.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              For the rest it's not "that" hard to organize, 1 guy for kw research, 1 guy to install the sites, and a bunch of content writers and linkbuilders, it's not rocket science really.
              Finding even half decent VA's for all of that is damn near impossible without months of trial & error. That's the main reason why I tend to hire in-house and pay 2-3x more - I get 5x better results and don't have to deal with time wasters (which is invaluable to me).
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                Finding even half decent VA's for all of that is damn near impossible without months of trial & error. That's the main reason why I tend to hire in-house and pay 2-3x more - I get 5x better results and don't have to deal with time wasters (which is invaluable to me).
                Oh come on, we are talking about 5 page Adsense sites here, not some master piece, they can't mess it up and even if they do you correct them the next day and the problem is solved. Have you ever seen how those sites from Adsense flippers look like? Well it's very hard to mess up such site, it just can't be made more simple then that.

                Linkbuilding with Magic Submitter or PAD is pretty easy as well, there are many people who are already experienced with these tools, you can pick them up from everywhere, give a few instructions, again correct them the next day and that's it.

                The only part that requires a bit more attention are the content writers and someone for the kw research. If such easy operation takes you months then that says more about your self then about your VA's. Another option is that you are too much of a perfectionist while we are talking about micro mini sites here. You should really check out a few of Adsenseflippers sites or from Mosa to see what we're talking about here.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  Oh come on, we are talking about 5 page Adsense sites here, not some master piece, they can't mess it up and even if they do you correct them the next day and the problem is solved. Have you ever seen how those sites from Adsense flippers look like? Well it's very hard to mess up such site, it just can't be made more simple then that.

                  Linkbuilding with Magic Submitter or PAD is pretty easy as well, there are many people who are already experienced with these tools, you can pick them up from everywhere, give a few instructions, again correct them the next day and that's it.

                  The only part that requires a bit more attention are the content writers and someone for the kw research. If such easy operation takes you months then that says more about your self then about your VA's. Another option is that you are too much of a perfectionist while we are talking about micro mini sites here. You should really check out a few of Adsenseflippers sites or from Mosa to see what we're talking about here.
                  I know what we're talking about, but I've also hired (and fired) over 30 content writers from forums last year, managed a group of site building VA's, etc. Try building 5 or 10 sites/day and then tell me how simple it is lol. People **** things up ALL the time. Content writers disappear, under-deliver, deliver late, etc. Then you have site builders waiting around for content, then someone else disappears for 2-3 days (and I had their skype contacts, phone numbers, emails, forum handles... doesn't matter lol).

                  I've been there - it's not worth the hassle. AdsenseFlippers run their own outsourcing agency and have in-house staff, that's why they are able to run such a tight operation.
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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                    I know what we're talking about, but I've also hired (and fired) over 30 content writers from forums last year, managed a group of site building VA's, etc. Try building 5 or 10 sites/day and then tell me how simple it is lol. People **** things up ALL the time. Content writers disappear, under-deliver, deliver late, etc. Then you have site builders waiting around for content, then someone else disappears for 2-3 days (and I had their skype contacts, phone numbers, emails, forum handles... doesn't matter lol).

                    I've been there - it's not worth the hassle. AdsenseFlippers run their own outsourcing agency and have in-house staff, that's why they are able to run such a tight operation.
                    Yeah if you chose to deal with all VA's individually then you run into problems but you can also hire VA agencies and then you only talk with the managers, that's how I do it, I have 4 VA managers and I pay per job instead of per month.

                    All of those agencies have an office with 5-10+ people working there so I can also easily scale up and down that way. Sure we run into some issue's sometimes but well otherwise my job would really be too easy
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                  • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
                    Thanks for the mention, nik0!

                    Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                    I know what we're talking about, but I've also hired (and fired) over 30 content writers from forums last year, managed a group of site building VA's, etc. Try building 5 or 10 sites/day and then tell me how simple it is lol. People **** things up ALL the time. Content writers disappear, under-deliver, deliver late, etc. Then you have site builders waiting around for content, then someone else disappears for 2-3 days (and I had their skype contacts, phone numbers, emails, forum handles... doesn't matter lol).

                    I've been there - it's not worth the hassle. AdsenseFlippers run their own outsourcing agency and have in-house staff, that's why they are able to run such a tight operation.
                    I don't disagree AT ALL that finding, hiring, and managing outsourced VA's can be difficult. There are plenty of people that will tell you it's easy and you can outsource everything, but that's simply not the case from our perspective...and we own/run an outsourcing company!

                    Much of our success has been attributed to the fact that we have this particular aspect covered. For those that are just starting off with VA's, you can definitely try your hand at hiring on oDesk, but I'd recommend checking out Virtual Staff Finder. You pay for them to provide you qualified candidates, but it saves you time/headache and the staff they get for you are pretty good. (We've actually used their services twice...it's worth it)

                    Also, check out our Intern's blog, WhatTheDev.com. He covers how to find/hire programmers if you're an IMer, but there are some helpful tips for hiring ANY outsourced VA that you might find useful.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Hossain
                    Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

                    I know what we're talking about, but I've also hired (and fired) over 30 content writers from forums last year, managed a group of site building VA's, etc. Try building 5 or 10 sites/day and then tell me how simple it is lol. People **** things up ALL the time. Content writers disappear, under-deliver, deliver late, etc. Then you have site builders waiting around for content, then someone else disappears for 2-3 days (and I had their skype contacts, phone numbers, emails, forum handles... doesn't matter lol).

                    I've been there - it's not worth the hassle. AdsenseFlippers run their own outsourcing agency and have in-house staff, that's why they are able to run such a tight operation.

                    bnetwork is correct. I personally hire contractors in oDesk and I know how tough managing these guys. Often they disappear for some days and when they come back they email me saying what a big problem he faced last 4 days that even telecasted in TV channels!

                    The main problem is these guys actually work for multiple clients so its tough for them to follow a certain schedule always. Also most of these VAs are just learning or just started so they need to walk a long way to be more professional.

                    Well there are some good loyal VAs too but hard to find them and most of the time they are fully loaded with tons of works from their existing clients.
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  • Profile picture of the author cloudstrife
    How do you monetise your site? Do you use Adsense or do you promote some affiliate product?

    Congrats on your success by the way!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by cloudstrife View Post

      How do you monetise your site? Do you use Adsense or do you promote some affiliate product?

      Congrats on your success by the way!
      Right now we're mainly using adsense. We found another monetization method that we are experimenting with that's niche specific, but we are not ready to talk about it at the moment. We've also tried amazon a little, but we haven't been as successful yet. Amazon keywords are harder to find for us and we also aren't as experienced with making good copywrite.
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      • Profile picture of the author cloudstrife
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Right now we're mainly using adsense. We found another monetization method that we are experimenting with that's niche specific, but we are not ready to talk about it at the moment. We've also tried amazon a little, but we haven't been as successful yet. Amazon keywords are harder to find for us and we also aren't as experienced with making good copywrite.
        Cheers for the reply!

        Once again, congratulations and all the best with your future ventures. And thanks for adding to the Warrior Forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author ImWendy
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Right now we're mainly using adsense. We found another monetization method that we are experimenting with that's niche specific, but we are not ready to talk about it at the moment. We've also tried amazon a little, but we haven't been as successful yet. Amazon keywords are harder to find for us and we also aren't as experienced with making good copywrite.
        Congratulations on your success! Thank you for being so generous to share your strategy with us for free while you could have easily made this into a wso. Here's wishing you longevity with your success!
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        • Profile picture of the author matt78
          How many websites do you build to make that $170/day?
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    This would be a good WSO, but you gave to us foe free. You are a really good person.

    Thank you. I am going to get working on this right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author darker
    How you can apply for adsense with micro niche sites, they always turn me down for such sites

    and till now after having 9 different sites for different niches, can't get adsense account up.
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    • Profile picture of the author denysapu
      That's great, thanks for sharing!
      Then how long that "170/day" are "survived" and how your methods to keep it in a long-term or stable income?
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    • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
      Originally Posted by darker View Post

      How you can apply for adsense with micro niche sites, they always turn me down for such sites

      and till now after having 9 different sites for different niches, can't get adsense account up.
      I'm have quite a few MNS but when I was approved with adsense I used a high quality authority site for the process.
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  • Profile picture of the author 530112
    So link building through software still liable?
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  • Profile picture of the author BitsFlipper
    BTW $170/day from including all your sites (how many sites you have) OR just from single authoritative site ? if its an authoritative site can you please share link with us ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by denysapu View Post

      That's great, thanks for sharing!
      Then how long that "170/day" are "survived" and how your methods to keep it in a long-term or stable income?
      Our income has not been affected by Penguin at all. I say this a lot, but I feel that MNS will always be around simply because authority sites do not cover every long tail keyword - Something has to occupy the search engines for these long tails... that's where MNS come into play.

      Originally Posted by matt78 View Post

      How many websites do you build to make that $170/day?
      Around 200.

      Originally Posted by 530112 View Post

      So link building through software still liable?
      Yup, it works.

      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      Umm, why? He said $15/month each (which is about accurate for such sites). $170/day puts you at $5100/month... how many sites is that?

      The strategy is flawed unless you have all of these at your disposal: a big outsourcing budget, a good list of contacts and most importantly a way to sell off a ton of tiny low quality sites for big multiples. Very few people can pull this off (this is why I'm absolutely amazed by the marketing/organizational skills of the guys at adsenseflippers).
      Organization is ABSOLUTELY important to handle and build tons of sites. However, I disagree that only a few people can pull this off. Honestly, I don't find it that hard unless the person is really just an unorganized individual. But yes, if you're not organized, you'll never be able to take your business to the next level.

      Originally Posted by BitsFlipper View Post

      BTW $170/day from including all your sites (how many sites you have) OR just from single authoritative site ? if its an authoritative site can you please share link with us ?
      We have about 200 sites. And yes, we said we expect at least $15/mo with our new sites.... and yes our other sites have a higher average because we stuck within a profitable niche for many of those sites - I believe we're finally starting to wear that niche out.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        and yes our other sites have a higher average because we stuck within a profitable niche for many of those sites - I believe we're finally starting to wear that niche out.
        This is actually very good advice for pretty much everyone here. When you find a good niche - work it! That's the only reason why my Adsense earnings are through the roof this month.


        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Organization is ABSOLUTELY important to handle and build tons of sites. However, I disagree that only a few people can pull this off. Honestly, I don't find it that hard unless the person is really just an unorganized individual. But yes, if you're not organized, you'll never be able to take your business to the next level.
        Oh come on man! Look around you - half the people here can't find the time/energy/motivation/focus to fully build out and backlink 2-3 small websites, let alone 200...
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        • Profile picture of the author Mosa
          Originally Posted by SwedishDemocracy View Post

          This is fantastic information, thank you.

          Have you had much success with Magic Submitter post-Penguin?
          Yes, I don't know why people think something like magic submitter won't work. It's so customizable and I don't see any advantages in building links manually vs. using an automation tool that looks manual.

          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          This is actually very good advice for pretty much everyone here. When you find a good niche - work it! That's the only reason why my Adsense earnings are through the roof this month.
          Yea, if we didn't do this, we would likely be making half as much. People underestimate the power of building around their already profitable niches.
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  • Profile picture of the author zourkas
    Congratulations...I think this is a great strategy but it needs work!! Do you build backlinks manually ??
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  • Profile picture of the author SwedishDemocracy
    This is fantastic information, thank you.

    Have you had much success with Magic Submitter post-Penguin?
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  • Profile picture of the author jodiesmitham
    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post


    Presence of other Made For Adsense or Sniper sites with Exact Match Domains (This is a great sign)
    Mosa, just a quick question - doesn't it put you off when you see other similar sites in the top 10? They'll be backlinking/optimizing in the same way, so surely this would be a threat (unless the site is total rubbish). In the past, I've targeted keywords that are 'untapped' for this reason. I've found a few keywords today that have included Adsense sites in the top 10, but I figured I'd have my work cut out to beat over 200 backlinks to their sites with the desired keyword.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      Oh come on man! Look around you - half the people here can't find the time/energy/motivation/focus to fully build out and backlink 2-3 small websites, let alone 200...
      Haha, well maybe I should've clarified that if you're lazy and you're reading this, then maybe this business model is not for you. However, if you take the time to learn the system, then teach VAs how to do what you're doing, then you can easily take this system and scale it.

      Originally Posted by jodiesmitham View Post

      Mosa, just a quick question - doesn't it put you off when you see other similar sites in the top 10? They'll be backlinking/optimizing in the same way, so surely this would be a threat (unless the site is total rubbish). In the past, I've targeted keywords that are 'untapped' for this reason. I've found a few keywords today that have included Adsense sites in the top 10, but I figured I'd have my work cut out to beat over 200 backlinks to their sites with the desired keyword.
      I LOVE seeing other similar sites at the top of Google. Like I said, I look for the PR 0s that have few backlinks. They are weak sites. Remember, you don't have to beat them. Getting #1 is awesome, but number 2 and 3 is not that bad if the search volume is there.
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  • Profile picture of the author retsek
    I used to have about ~300 active sites and I always worried about losing the adsense account. For good reason too, I wasn't able to maintain quality I'd like across all those sites even though they ranked. Guess you don't feel the same ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by retsek View Post

      I used to have about ~300 active sites and I always worried about losing the adsense account. For good reason too, I wasn't able to maintain quality I'd like across all those sites even though they ranked. Guess you don't feel the same ?
      Well my personal experience is that Google Adsense does in fact care about site quality and will ban accounts that get clicks from hundreds of small websites. There's a reason their TOS agreement is so vague.

      One of the main reasons for account bans (I think) is confusing ad placement and blending ads with content. It's ok if you only make $20/day or something like that, but once you hit $100+ days better watch out, because you are getting a full manual review of ALL websites sooner or later.

      Not everyone shares this point of view and that's fine. Most people never get past $5/day anyways.

      OP's system does work, but I suggest flipping the sites as you go along - don't keep them.

      This is very off-topic:

      I'm also a bit amazed by what "micro niche" supposedly means. I build micro niche websites that make $100+ per month. Sites that are complete flops make $50/month or so. Yet I read blog posts about "authority" website projects making $100/month and calling it a success? I don't get it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by seosoldier View Post

        Thanks much for sharing! Congrats on creating a system that works for you!

        I have a question. I am new to adsense and am wondering about this:

        If I were to build a site that had a decent search volume on that keyword with a long tail domain, can I also monetize the site with a product for that long tail keyword, as well as make money off of the adsense. In other words let's say my keyword is "whatisblabla" and I buy whatisblabla.com. Can I sell a product on that site that deals with the problem of blabla, as well as also make money off adsense ads for problems with blabla?

        Or does google not want you to directly compete with their adsense advertisers on your site?
        You shouldn't have a problem with this as far as I know, but I believe the adsense TOS says something about making sure the ads don't blend together.

        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Well my personal experience is that Google Adsense does in fact care about site quality and will ban accounts that get clicks from hundreds of small websites. There's a reason their TOS agreement is so vague.

        One of the main reasons for account bans (I think) is confusing ad placement and blending ads with content. It's ok if you only make $20/day or something like that, but once you hit $100+ days better watch out, because you are getting a full manual review of ALL websites sooner or later.

        Not everyone shares this point of view and that's fine. Most people never get past $5/day anyways.

        OP's system does work, but I suggest flipping the sites as you go along - don't keep them.

        This is very off-topic:

        I'm also a bit amazed by what "micro niche" supposedly means. I build micro niche websites that make $100+ per month. Sites that are complete flops make $50/month or so. Yet I read blog posts about "authority" website projects making $100/month and calling it a success? I don't get it.
        We are already flipping some of the sites. We're also starting to monetize in different ways that are more niche specific. Although adsense is probably the best way to monetize most of these sites, it's not the only way.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          We are already flipping some of the sites. We're also starting to monetize in different ways that are more niche specific. Although adsense is probably the best way to monetize most of these sites, it's not the only way.
          Seems like you have a solid plan then! Build, sell, diversify & expand. Woot!
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    My apologies. I thought op said 15/day which would mean 10 sites.

    340 sites is very tough and very risky but hey, congrats it it works.
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  • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
    Thanks much for sharing! Congrats on creating a system that works for you!

    I have a question. I am new to adsense and am wondering about this:

    If I were to build a site that had a decent search volume on that keyword with a long tail domain, can I also monetize the site with a product for that long tail keyword, as well as make money off of the adsense. In other words let's say my keyword is "whatisblabla" and I buy whatisblabla.com. Can I sell a product on that site that deals with the problem of blabla, as well as also make money off adsense ads for problems with blabla?

    Or does google not want you to directly compete with their adsense advertisers on your site?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Yea, right now we do have a couple of authority sites that have content already being created - we'll see how that goes.
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  • Profile picture of the author xbluelinks
    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    Over the past 4 months, my partner and I have built our passive income to over $170 per Day. It wasn't an easy road, we had to struggle to learn what was really working and how to put it into practice. Here is how we did it:

    Keyword Research (1st Week):

    We do all of our keyword research in Long Tail Pro and SEMrush. We are going after only Low Competition keywords. Here's the criteria:


    General Criteria:
    Exact Local Search Volume (ELSV): At least 800
    CPC: At least $0.80
    Even though we are using these minimums, we want ELSV x CPC = at least 1000. In other words, if the CPC is $0.80, we will only go for it if the ELSV is at least 1250 because 0.80 x 1250 = 1000.


    Top Ten Competition Criteria:
    We are specifically looking at the strength of the competition for the keyword in the top ten of Google. We are looking for the following:
    At least 3 PR 0s
    The PR 0's have weak backlink profiles (Less than 20 backlinks according to Long Tail Pro)
    Presence of other Made For Adsense or Sniper sites with Exact Match Domains (This is a great sign)
    Presence of "Weak Authority Sites". (Many authority sites rank for long tail keywords that they aren't really optimized for, this is potentially a good sign)

    On Page Optimization (2nd Week):

    Domain Criteria:
    We will always prefer Exact Match Domains (EMD)
    If EMD is not available we may go for the Partial Match Domain (PMD)

    General Criteria:
    Title is the exact match keyword
    Description contains the exact keyword at least once
    Keywords in tags include exact keyword, partial matched keywords, and other related keywords

    Plugins:
    Platinum SEO Pack
    CBnet Ping Optimizer
    Google XML Sitemaps

    Article:
    1000 words
    1% Keyword Density
    Related/LSI keywords sprinkled throughout the article
    Keyword in H1
    Keyword Bolded once
    Keyword in Image Anchor text
    Keyword linking back to home page
    Keyword linking to an external authority page.

    Only one article is used to begin with.

    Indexing:

    Site is pinged with CBnet Ping Optimizer, Pingler and with 'Quick Index' by ProfitInstruments.
    Social Adr - Each Site is submitted for 20 bookmarks

    Backlinking (3rd Week):

    Backlinking is done with Magic Submitter or by using our VA who builds Software/Pad links.


    Magic Submitter:
    The campaign will simply consist of Web 2.0s, Article Directories, and Social bookmarks in the first tier. The second tier will have social bookmarks and RSS. This linking strategy will be used for any Partial Match Domains that we have.


    VA Link Building:
    The VA is building software and inserting links into the PAD file which is then submitted to several software directories. This strategy is used for any Exact Match Domains that we have.



    Outcome:
    Ranking should take up to 2 months after the backlinks have been added depending on the competition strength of the keyword and whether or not you get an Exact Match Domain or a Partial Match Domain. We've been able to rank as quickly as 1 week though. We expect the sites to earn an average of around $15/month once they are ranked well in the search engines.

    That's all for now Folks!
    - Josh @ WSOtesters
    Congrats Josh.

    I have a question. Regarding partial match domains (PMD) do you use hyphens?

    Example: Instead of "exactmatch.com", you use "exact-match.com".
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  • Profile picture of the author Ksnipe
    Thank you. I am going to try on this right now.
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    Great post-thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Bill_Z
    I might have missed this but...all of your sites have just one page of content?
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  • Profile picture of the author Bryan V
    I do agree hiring a good VA at a good rate takes a lot of time. If you have money to burn sure you can fork over a higher rate to get a 'good' one off the bat.

    Most cannot work up to their stated abilities, have problems with English, or don't complete tasks on time and cannot be reached consistently. It takes me a while to find a good one that sticks around long term.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by Bryan V View Post

      I do agree hiring a good VA at a good rate takes a lot of time. If you have money to burn sure you can fork over a higher rate to get a 'good' one off the bat.

      Most cannot work up to their stated abilities, have problems with English, or don't complete tasks on time and cannot be reached consistently. It takes me a while to find a good one that sticks around long term.
      Precisely.

      Multiply that x5 VA's and then find a way to make them work together to complete tasks and stuff. Yeah, good luck with that.

      Let's get back on topic though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dumkist
    So you have 200 sites with adsense..and you have never been banned..correct ??
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by xbluelinks View Post

      Congrats Josh.

      I have a question. Regarding partial match domains (PMD) do you use hyphens?

      Example: Instead of "exactmatch.com", you use "exact-match.com".
      I don't go for hyphenated domains at all.

      Originally Posted by Bill_Z View Post

      I might have missed this but...all of your sites have just one page of content?
      They start with one page and most will rank with one page. Once the site is ranking and earning, I add more content.

      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      Finding even half decent VA's for all of that is damn near impossible without months of trial & error. That's the main reason why I tend to hire in-house and pay 2-3x more - I get 5x better results and don't have to deal with time wasters (which is invaluable to me).
      It's not that hard to find a decent VA. You just have to hire based on trust not on their resume of accomplishments. I can teach people whatever I need as long as they are trustworthy and hardworking. I interview them on skype.

      Originally Posted by Dumkist View Post

      So you have 200 sites with adsense..and you have never been banned..correct ??
      Correct. Many people have much more...trust me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nags
    @Mosa, thanks for sharing the blueprint. Have few questions.

    How many links you build for a site? Whats the frequency you build links? How long you keep building links for the sites? What is the tool you use to check the back link numbers of competitors?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    I think the problem some might be facing, who aren't deep in building sites yet, is that they try and become adsenseflippers over night. And like Justin said, they are an outsourcing company and have a team of in-house staff.

    What people need to do is build their first 20 websites on their own (ordering content probably) and then hire a VA that can do all the steps involved, including ordering content. Don't try and make 150 websites a month, but rather make sure that expand your portfolio slowly but surely, at some point your 1 VA isn't going to have time enough, if he's doing linkbuilding as well. Then you simply hire another.

    Take it step by step.

    I'm also a huge believer in what AdsenseFlippers said at one point, that it wasn't worth it to have in-house writers. It's much better to you have your VA find and order the content. Sites like textbroker will offer great content, and because the job is posted to many writers you are rarely waiting long for it.

    Disclaimer: I'm only partially doing the above, but I'm working towards it along with other projects.
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    • Profile picture of the author rapatterson
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      I think the problem some might be facing, who aren't deep in building sites yet, is that they try and become adsenseflippers over night. And like Justin said, they are an outsourcing company and have a team of in-house staff.

      What people need to do is build their first 20 websites on their own (ordering content probably) and then hire a VA that can do all the steps involved, including ordering content. Don't try and make 150 websites a month, but rather make sure that expand your portfolio slowly but surely, at some point your 1 VA isn't going to have time enough, if he's doing linkbuilding as well. Then you simply hire another.

      Take it step by step.

      I'm also a huge believer in what AdsenseFlippers said at one point, that it wasn't worth it to have in-house writers. It's much better to you have your VA find and order the content. Sites like textbroker will offer great content, and because the job is posted to many writers you are rarely waiting long for it.

      Disclaimer: I'm only partially doing the above, but I'm working towards it along with other projects.
      I agree. I like the system, but if you are new to this and just starting out build a few sites yourself and see if YOU can be successful with it first before outsourcing. No sense spending that money on outsourcing everything if you are struggling to make it work. Consider outsourcing after you have proven to yourself that you can do it.
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    • Profile picture of the author TryBPO
      Hello Chris!

      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      What people need to do is build their first 20 websites on their own (ordering content probably) and then hire a VA that can do all the steps involved, including ordering content. Don't try and make 150 websites a month, but rather make sure that expand your portfolio slowly but surely, at some point your 1 VA isn't going to have time enough, if he's doing linkbuilding as well. Then you simply hire another.

      Take it step by step.

      I'm also a huge believer in what AdsenseFlippers said at one point, that it wasn't worth it to have in-house writers. It's much better to you have your VA find and order the content. Sites like textbroker will offer great content, and because the job is posted to many writers you are rarely waiting long for it.
      I totally agree that you should start off building them on your own and not even worry about outsourcing. (Except for ordering the content, as you've mentioned) Until you have the process down and documented there's no way you'll be able to hand it off to a VA and have it work out.

      We made the point about not hiring in-house writers and I think that's definitely true...but your Content Managers will START as writers. It's probably best to start with two and get them both up and running with writing content the way you want it. Make sure they don't cut corners, copy/paste, spin content, etc. Once they're quality writers you can transition them to the Content Manager/Editor position with some ease.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mosa
        Originally Posted by Nags View Post

        @Mosa, thanks for sharing the blueprint. Have few questions.

        How many links you build for a site? Whats the frequency you build links? How long you keep building links for the sites? What is the tool you use to check the back link numbers of competitors?
        -Around 200 dripping in, but not all get indexed.

        -I just run one campaign at the moment.

        -Been using Majestic SEO and SEO SpyGlass.


        Originally Posted by TryBPO View Post

        Hello Chris!
        I totally agree that you should start off building them on your own and not even worry about outsourcing. (Except for ordering the content, as you've mentioned) Until you have the process down and documented there's no way you'll be able to hand it off to a VA and have it work out.

        We made the point about not hiring in-house writers and I think that's definitely true...but your Content Managers will START as writers. It's probably best to start with two and get them both up and running with writing content the way you want it. Make sure they don't cut corners, copy/paste, spin content, etc. Once they're quality writers you can transition them to the Content Manager/Editor position with some ease.
        Great advice. We've pretty much done our outsourcing exactly as you laid it out here. We always do things ourselves first, before we ever hand it down to someone else... except for one of our backlinking campaigns. But even for backlinking we do many of our own experiments.
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        • Profile picture of the author pbrite
          Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

          -Around 200 dripping in, but not all get indexed.

          -I just run one campaign at the moment.

          -Been using Majestic SEO and SEO SpyGlass.




          Great advice. We've pretty much done our outsourcing exactly as you laid it out here. We always do things ourselves first, before we ever hand it down to someone else... except for one of our backlinking campaigns. But even for backlinking we do many of our own experiments.
          Thanks for all this nifty advice. I'm doing things backwards- I'm a content writer trying to make adsense websites, so I've outsourced myself It's working ok so far. I've built one site that's MFA/MF Amazon/Authority-ish. It's breaking even so far in terms of costs based on adsense and commissions.
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    Congrats on your success!

    Thanks for sharing your story.

    All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author BenWesty
    My question, and my biggest problem. How do you find your niches? I have enough trouble trying to find one good "Micro niche", let alone 200!

    Do you have some kind of method for finding them?
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    • Profile picture of the author xbluelinks
      Originally Posted by BenWesty View Post

      My question, and my biggest problem. How do you find your niches? I have enough trouble trying to find one good "Micro niche", let alone 200!

      Do you have some kind of method for finding them?
      Take a look at this video from Adsense Slippers. It is recent and there are lots of things to learn on finding niches.

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      • Profile picture of the author BenWesty
        Originally Posted by xbluelinks View Post

        Take a look at this video from Adsense Slippers. It is recent and there are lots of things to learn on finding niches.

        AdSense Flippers Webinar: Killer Keyword Research - YouTube
        Thanks for that video, but I currently can't watch it as I am stuck with a killer bandwidth limit during the day. If anyone has seen it could they possibly PM me with some key points? If not guess I will be staying up late tonight!

        Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Aaron Autrey
    Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

    We expect the sites to earn an average of around $15/month once they are ranked well in the search engines.
    Only $15? How many sites do you have? 300+?

    Edit: Sorry now I see you said 200+... That is a ton!
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  • Profile picture of the author faysal969
    I just want to say it is one of the best thread in this sub category. Many many thanks for sharing this useful technique. It will definitely help may people to start their new campaign.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by faysal969 View Post

      I just want to say it is one of the best thread in this sub category. Many many thanks for sharing this useful technique. It will definitely help may people to start their new campaign.
      Yea, they just need to take action on it. And if anyone does, share your experiences! We've just about wrapped up our keyword research for our next 30 sites. Time to start building!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by windelsolutions View Post

      How many different IPs / Hosts you are using for hosting your 200 Sites ?
      We have 6 hosting accounts at the moment. We'll be signing up for another one very soon.
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      • Profile picture of the author carlosponte
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        We have 6 hosting accounts at the moment. We'll be signing up for another one very soon.
        Would it be a problem to have all the sites in a dedicated server?

        Finally, about the backlinks using Magic Submitter, do you completely rewrite or use spun articles of the original one published in the money site to send to article sites and RSS feeds? What about SENUKE, did you give a try?

        How could I get in touch with you trough email? Im a spanish content developer and would be interested too to get some (paid) private tutorials and solve some questions relative to our language issues t get this system working.

        thnks Mosa! Regards
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        • Profile picture of the author Mosa
          Originally Posted by DaCheese View Post

          Mosa,

          You've bought a course on how to do PAD links right?

          Could you tell me which course you bought and how it turned out?

          Do kindly include a link to the course either here or in a pm.

          Thanks
          I just pmed you

          Originally Posted by carlosponte View Post

          Would it be a problem to have all the sites in a dedicated server?

          Finally, about the backlinks using Magic Submitter, do you completely rewrite or use spun articles of the original one published in the money site to send to article sites and RSS feeds? What about SENUKE, did you give a try?

          How could I get in touch with you trough email? Im a spanish content developer and would be interested too to get some (paid) private tutorials and solve some questions relative to our language issues t get this system working.

          thnks Mosa! Regards
          Hey Carlos. We read in a few places it was safer to have multiple hosts, so we just followed that.

          For Magic Submitter we write a unique article and spin it. We've never tried SEnuke. From what I've researched, magic submitter was just better and it is much cheaper. I'll pm you a good email to get a hold of me.
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          • Profile picture of the author DaCheese
            Josh,

            Thanks for the message bro.. I can't pm yet so i can't reply..

            But I really do appreciate you taking the time to give me the link...Will definitely check them out..

            Also, loved your new post on using CTR theme..
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            • Profile picture of the author Mosa
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Yeah Hayden is one of the few who does that indeed, I also bought a ton of domains using his method but only about 25-30% of the sites regained PR unfortunately, now I just use it as a tier2 network, although it doesn't show PR for most sites they do still have strength (tested it).
              Only 25-30%? hmmm... I guess I can see that. Doesn't he deal with dropped domains?

              Originally Posted by DaCheese View Post

              Josh,

              Thanks for the message bro.. I can't pm yet so i can't reply..

              But I really do appreciate you taking the time to give me the link...Will definitely check them out..

              Also, loved your new post on using CTR theme..
              Thanks DaCheese. We'll make sure to keep them coming
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    To eliminate the Google slap you could use CLass C Hosting IP's for your better performing websites and have a second adsense account under one of the class C
    sites.
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      Originally Posted by autotradex View Post

      To eliminate the Google slap you could use CLass C Hosting IP's for your better performing websites and have a second adsense account under one of the class C
      sites.
      This is not true. You don't get slapped after a certain number of domains on an IP.
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    When you add content after the first page, do you add new articles with different yet similar (same niche / idea) long tail keywords or use the same long tail keyword for each website no matter how many pages you add to it?
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  • Profile picture of the author abbe77
    Hi Mosa
    Do you also provide services to setup such sites for others, if Yes please contact me, I can pay you for your valued services. OR can you please guide me where and how I can find such expert?

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by abbe77 View Post

      Hi Mosa
      Do you also provide services to setup such sites for others, if Yes please contact me, I can pay you for your valued services. OR can you please guide me where and how I can find such expert?

      Thanks
      I think you're the first person that's asked for something like that. If we ever got enough people asking for it, I wouldn't mind making it happen. Hmm...check you pm.
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    I'll have some new updates and videos by tomorrow.

    Cheers!
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    Thanks for sharing this. And congrats on making $170 per day!
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  • Profile picture of the author CtrlAltRage
    If you don't mind me asking. Did it take you 4 months to go from Zero to $170 a month? Or did you have something created already that was already generating a little income?
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    goodluck with your project

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    Wow this is more informative than many WSO's I've read on the subject with no filler! Thanks for the killer post!
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    This is great research and work guys! Keep it up. Looking forward to more updates.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by CtrlAltRage View Post

      If you don't mind me asking. Did it take you 4 months to go from Zero to $170 a month? Or did you have something created already that was already generating a little income?
      Hey Rage, Actually we're making over 170 per day, not month. We started in March of this year...and I did have some success in the past, but it wasn't really related to these niche sites.

      Originally Posted by pbrite View Post

      Thanks for all this nifty advice. I'm doing things backwards- I'm a content writer trying to make adsense websites, so I've outsourced myself It's working ok so far. I've built one site that's MFA/MF Amazon/Authority-ish. It's breaking even so far in terms of costs based on adsense and commissions.
      That's great to hear that you've gotten started. Just keep learning and taking action and you'll be able to take it to the next level!

      Originally Posted by mikeshinobi View Post

      So you do keyword research, then you make a website, then you do SEO?

      Wow, groundbreaking information you have shared OP. Amazing, thank you. I will never look at the Internet in the same way again.

      This whole time, I've been building websites, THEN I research the keywords to find out if they're good, and then I do SEO - but for my competitors websites. I'm not sure why, but at least I'm on the right path now!

      Keyword research, build website, do SEO. I'll have to make that a daily mantra to make sure I can remember since it'll be difficult for my small brain to encapsulate such a vast amount of information.
      Thanks for the compliment, but you're giving me too much credit. The stuff I laid out isn't really that groundbreaking. All the info is out there already, sometimes it's just hard to find.
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      Originally Posted by mikeshinobi View Post

      So you do keyword research, then you make a website, then you do SEO?

      Wow, groundbreaking information you have shared OP. Amazing, thank you. I will never look at the Internet in the same way again.

      This whole time, I've been building websites, THEN I research the keywords to find out if they're good, and then I do SEO - but for my competitors websites. I'm not sure why, but at least I'm on the right path now!

      Keyword research, build website, do SEO. I'll have to make that a daily mantra to make sure I can remember since it'll be difficult for my small brain to encapsulate such a vast amount of information.
      LOL, so this thread didn't completely change the way you view IM...no need to go out of your way to be a dick about it. Threads like these are a lot more insightful than the average WF thread, especially to people just starting out.
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      • Profile picture of the author chrisonbd
        Originally Posted by saganator View Post

        ....Threads like these are a lot more insightful than the average WF thread, especially to people just starting out.
        I am new to all this and have little experience in creating websites but I am making progress . I certainly found it enlightening to see the vast numbers revealed like that. Doesn't strike me as the kind of strategy I would develop but it's encouraging...

        Thanks a lot for sharing Mosa I look forward to the updates
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      • Profile picture of the author Jseals
        Originally Posted by saganator View Post

        LOL, so this thread didn't completely change the way you view IM...no need to go out of your way to be a dick about it. Threads like these are a lot more insightful than the average WF thread, especially to people just starting out.
        lol honestly I think this is the worst way to do SEO. As a guy who makes 5 figures a month from SEO, this is exactly what I advise newbies not to do

        its time consuming as hell, its boring, and has no long term revenue. Sure this will earn this guy 170 a day (5kish a month..which is kinda eh) but the chances Google is going the smash this are high and its an income built on egg shells.

        On top of this 2 months to rank a keyword at 800 search volume is ridiculous, its obviously not an uncompetitive keyword.

        Ive managed to get sites to around 20-40 dollars a day within a weeks time consistently (and yes I have provided proof of this), so a method like this is completely beyond me.

        Personally I hate when people post stuff like this for newbies because I guarantee 20 newbies are going to spend 100+ hours of there life trying to emulate this without success. This type of SEO is not efficent and is going to hurt more newbies than it will help

        Not hating, but well yeah I kinda am
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    I would say it pure and solid thing to learn about it. tq
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  • Profile picture of the author Naimath
    Awesome post. At the end of the day, it's all about what practical action you are taking. Thank you for sharing!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by deeptigarg View Post

      Nice post, but as i read you make the paid backlinks with magic submitter, it is good but i think after penguine update Google does not consider these types of backlinks.
      You can build links with Magic Submitter however you want - so I feel that if someone can't make it work, it's their fault for not researching how to properly use the program.

      I would compare using Magic Submitter vs manual link building to Driving a car vs Walking. If you don't know how to drive a car...you might be better off walking.
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  • Profile picture of the author chip22
    Congratulations on your success so far. I think your methodology will get you to your targets.
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    Thanks for sharing the story...
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    Great to see you taking advantage of multi tiered link building. Its the future dont you know
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    Excellent information the kind people usually try to sell you, thankyou Mosa just what i was looking for!
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  • Profile picture of the author mrtrance
    It seems that CBnet Ping Optimizer has not been updated for a long time so are you able to use with the most up to date WP install?
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  • Profile picture of the author Dianzo
    Hi, may I ask?
    According to you, which one is better between the Long Tail Pro with Stealth Keyword Digger?
    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author cheece2001
      What does that 50$ per site really consist of?

      All I see is:

      $10.00 Domain
      $10.00 1000 Word Article
      $5.00 Article Rewrite
      $5.00 PAD Back linking Outsource

      Total: $30 / site

      Where do you get $50 per site when creating?
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      • Profile picture of the author Douglas Boldt
        Thanks for the infos. Do you write your own content for each of these new sites, or do you buy articles from somewhere like textbroker? Congrats on making adsense loot. Hope it holds up for you long term.
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  • Profile picture of the author eezymoney
    Josh - Many thanks for laying out your plan here for us.

    My first thought on this and shoot me down if I'm wrong, but couldn't you group the keywords together that are similar and put a page/post on a larger site targeting each of these.

    Then link build to these pages with the same methods, then over time you would build a large authority site that'd look a lot more authentic when it gets the eventual manual review.

    The only drawback I can see is that the domain name wouldn't be an exact/ close match, but maybe the overall domain authority that builds up over time would overcome this ranking deficiency. Or is the EMD factor still that important?

    Just my thoughts, but I hate seeing reddottedhandkerchief .com type sites dominating the results, but if it works and makes money then why not.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by mrtrance View Post

      It seems that CBnet Ping Optimizer has not been updated for a long time so are you able to use with the most up to date WP install?
      Yea, it still works fine.

      Originally Posted by Dianzo View Post

      Hi, may I ask?
      According to you, which one is better between the Long Tail Pro with Stealth Keyword Digger?
      Thanks
      Never tried Steal Keyword Digger, or even heard of it. I'll look it up soon.

      Originally Posted by eezymoney View Post

      Josh - Many thanks for laying out your plan here for us.

      My first thought on this and shoot me down if I'm wrong, but couldn't you group the keywords together that are similar and put a page/post on a larger site targeting each of these.

      Then link build to these pages with the same methods, then over time you would build a large authority site that'd look a lot more authentic when it gets the eventual manual review.

      The only drawback I can see is that the domain name wouldn't be an exact/ close match, but maybe the overall domain authority that builds up over time would overcome this ranking deficiency. Or is the EMD factor still that important?

      Just my thoughts, but I hate seeing reddottedhandkerchief .com type sites dominating the results, but if it works and makes money then why not.
      That actually is an idea that crossed our minds. We've had an authority site of this model sitting in the backburner for quite some time. Just haven't gotten around to fully launching that project.
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Your backlinking stratergy seems weird, you do tiered backlining to the one that do not have emd. and direct pad to emd ?

    how many backlinks you end up in total, how do you drip feed it ?

    i assume for the pad submissins you dont blast 500 at once and thats it right ?

    Awesome operation you got going, let the haters give you inspiration.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Your backlinking stratergy seems weird, you do tiered backlining to the one that do not have emd. and direct pad to emd ?

      how many backlinks you end up in total, how do you drip feed it ?

      i assume for the pad submissins you dont blast 500 at once and thats it right ?

      Awesome operation you got going, let the haters give you inspiration.
      Yes, we do tiered to the pmd and pad to the emd.

      We drip feed about 200 links using magic submitter.

      Honestly we have never built pad links on our own. We hire a VA who's experienced with it on odesk. He wouldn't even tell us what kind of links his team was building. We found out on our own that he was using pad links by running a backlinks check via majestic seo and seo spyglass. Since then I purchased a course on how we can do it on our own, but I haven't implemented it yet myself. It's just easier for us to outsource it.
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      • Profile picture of the author xbluelinks
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Yes, we do tiered to the pmd and pad to the emd.

        We drip feed about 200 links using magic submitter.

        Honestly we have never built pad links on our own. We hire a VA who's experienced with it on odesk. He wouldn't even tell us what kind of links his team was building. We found out on our own that he was using pad links by running a backlinks check via majestic seo and seo spyglass. Since then I purchased a course on how we can do it on our own, but I haven't implemented it yet myself. It's just easier for us to outsource it.
        I apologise for my ignorance but what are pad links?
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      • Profile picture of the author DaCheese
        Mosa,

        You've bought a course on how to do PAD links right?

        Could you tell me which course you bought and how it turned out?

        Do kindly include a link to the course either here or in a pm.

        Thanks
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      • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Yes, we do tiered to the pmd and pad to the emd.

        We drip feed about 200 links using magic submitter.

        Honestly we have never built pad links on our own. We hire a VA who's experienced with it on odesk. He wouldn't even tell us what kind of links his team was building. We found out on our own that he was using pad links by running a backlinks check via majestic seo and seo spyglass. Since then I purchased a course on how we can do it on our own, but I haven't implemented it yet myself. It's just easier for us to outsource it.

        Didnt quite get you.

        So your linkbuilder wont tell you what he is doing?
        Besides that, are you sending the PAD submissions directly to your money site, or use lenses ? do you drip feed them or just send them out? and how many?

        you answerd 200 backlinks with magic submitter, so that is not to the same sites that you distribute the PAD's ?

        thnx for your input.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

          Didnt quite get you.

          So your linkbuilder wont tell you what he is doing?
          Besides that, are you sending the PAD submissions directly to your money site, or use lenses ? do you drip feed them or just send them out? and how many?

          you answerd 200 backlinks with magic submitter, so that is not to the same sites that you distribute the PAD's ?

          thnx for your input.
          Most professional SEO companies also don't tell what links they build, they just send you a report with your rankings at the end of the month so nothing strange about that imo.

          There is no software that allows you to dripfeed PAD links, it's just one blast, or there is a LOT of extra work involved.

          Magic Submitter can not distribute to PAD sites.
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          • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
            Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

            Most professional SEO companies also don't tell what links they build, they just send you a report with your rankings at the end of the month so nothing strange about that imo.

            There is no software that allows you to dripfeed PAD links, it's just one blast, or there is a LOT of extra work involved.

            Magic Submitter can not distribute to PAD sites.
            I dont know about "seo cpompanies" reports as i dont use them, while hiring an induvidual, liks Mosa does, i usually think the way to go is to actuall know the process youself, so you can scale it up with no erros.

            PAD submission software dont have dripfeed mode you are right, as im using robosoft for my submission and know it first hand. (although there is something that could be done about that )

            I refferd the magick submitter question to hes other linkbuilding process for the PMD's.

            Now i think you just read me wrong, maybe its me. But i would love Mosa to add his input.
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  • Profile picture of the author Daniel Ray
    I'm worried you're taking people down the wrong path...

    If all you're doing is making more web spam, then the method is doomed to fail eventually.

    This has been talked about over and over again.

    For those who are just getting started, do your research before blindly following his lead. As much success he is having, I'm afraid he's building a house of cards.

    To Mosa: No matter what happens in the end, I applaud your success though. It's great to see the initiative and willingness to share.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by xbluelinks View Post

      I apologise for my ignorance but what are pad links?
      Basically one builds a software and uploads it to various software directories and then they insert their link into the "pad" file.

      Originally Posted by Daniel Ray View Post

      I'm worried you're taking people down the wrong path...

      If all you're doing is making more web spam, then the method is doomed to fail eventually.

      This has been talked about over and over again.

      For those who are just getting started, do your research before blindly following his lead. As much success he is having, I'm afraid he's building a house of cards.

      To Mosa: No matter what happens in the end, I applaud your success though. It's great to see the initiative and willingness to share.
      Hey Daniel, I do think people should do their research ahead of time before following any method. Also, I believe there is a right way and a wrong way to build niche sites. The low competition keywords I go for are normally low competition because no one else is providing useful info on the topics. So many times we'll rank without any backlinks because our blog gives more info than anything else and it legitimately deserves to be up there.

      I agree that there are spammy sites out there too. I would consider spammy niche sites to be the ones where someones powered up backlinking plan enables them to outrank medium - high competition sites that actually provide real value. There's a big difference in this compared to what we do - but that's just my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author seosoldier
        Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

        Basically one builds a software and uploads it to various software directories and then they insert their link into the "pad" file.

        Hey Daniel, I do think people should do their research ahead of time before following any method. Also, I believe there is a right way and a wrong way to build niche sites. The low competition keywords I go for are normally low competition because no one else is providing useful info on the topics. So many times we'll rank without any backlinks because our blog gives more info than anything else and it legitimately deserves to be up there.

        I agree that there are spammy sites out there too. I would consider spammy niche sites to be the ones where someones powered up backlinking plan enables them to outrank medium - high competition sites that actually provide real value. There's a big difference in this compared to what we do - but that's just my opinion.
        I'm sorry but I'm another guy who still doesn't understand what PAD means even after you explained it. I understand everything else in this thread but not "pad files". Does pad mean p.a.d., an acronym, which stands for something or does it mean the word "pad"? Sorry I just don't get it. I've been around SEO for a year or so now but this is my first time hearing this term.

        Also thanks much for sharing your system. I think it's great that you are sharing it. Sure, any system that depends on google ranking could come down like a house of cards. Or someone doing mostly adsense or mostly amazon could have that all come down too. Diversifying is a good way to go, I think.

        As to your sites being web spam I don't recall your giving us an example so it's hard to say. I think I just bought a couple domains like you're talking about with just the right # of searches and low competition and I too plan to put up small sites but with good content but they don't need pages and pages of content to rank, hopefully. So it's not web spam if it provides some good content re the keyword, even if it's a quick and easy little site. In fact I have a one site that I built in a few hours that is killing it on google right now for a 4400 local monthly keyword. It's got good content but just one page.

        On the other hand, a lot of really CRAPPY sites are still ranking on page 1. I have a competitor who ranks on first page for all keywords in our niche, and her site is horrible. Looking at backlinks, she has ALL the same keyword anchor links - hundreds - and siteexplorer also shows that she has 28k links for her crappy site so no way that could be natural. Her site itself has broken links and JUNK all over it (junky useless widgets etc)! It has content but mostly curated and it has no focus. Yet she is killing it on google while my (former) money site languishes on page 12 or something! Go figure...
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        • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
          Originally Posted by seosoldier View Post

          I'm sorry but I'm another guy who still doesn't understand what PAD means even after you explained it. I understand everything else in this thread but not "pad files". Does pad mean p.a.d., an acronym, which stands for something or does it mean the word "pad"? Sorry I just don't get it. I've been around SEO for a year or so now but this is my first time hearing this term.

          Also thanks much for sharing your system. I think it's great that you are sharing it. Sure, any system that depends on google ranking could come down like a house of cards. Or someone doing mostly adsense or mostly amazon could have that all come down too. Diversifying is a good way to go, I think.

          As to your sites being web spam I don't recall your giving us an example so it's hard to say. I think I just bought a couple domains like you're talking about with just the right # of searches and low competition and I too plan to put up small sites but with good content but they don't need pages and pages of content to rank, hopefully. So it's not web spam if it provides some good content re the keyword, even if it's a quick and easy little site. In fact I have a one site that I built in a few hours that is killing it on google right now for a 4400 local monthly keyword. It's got good content but just one page.

          On the other hand, a lot of really CRAPPY sites are still ranking on page 1. I have a competitor who ranks on first page for all keywords in our niche, and her site is horrible. Looking at backlinks, she has ALL the same keyword anchor links - hundreds - and siteexplorer also shows that she has 28k links for her crappy site so no way that could be natural. Her site itself has broken links and JUNK all over it (junky useless widgets etc)! It has content but mostly curated and it has no focus. Yet she is killing it on google while my (former) money site languishes on page 12 or something! Go figure...
          PAD is bassically an xml file that hold information about a program/software or bassically any .exe .zip etc file. Its unique due to the fact that it points to your software url, information about the program & the company and itself. so when you submit a pad file to a softwware dorectory, and upgrade you software, the pad points to the new software.

          Leave all that, its just a way to publish your your softwarewhile its on your server, thats it.
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    The VA is almost done with the on page setup of our next 30 sites. We should have them indexed by the end of this week.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    Yeah Hayden is one of the few who does that indeed, I also bought a ton of domains using his method but only about 25-30% of the sites regained PR unfortunately, now I just use it as a tier2 network, although it doesn't show PR for most sites they do still have strength (tested it).
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    • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Yeah Hayden is one of the few who does that indeed, I also bought a ton of domains using his method but only about 25-30% of the sites regained PR unfortunately, now I just use it as a tier2 network, although it doesn't show PR for most sites they do still have strength (tested it).
      Why not scoop up like 30 aged PR2's with tons of links for $70/each and boost them to PR3+ yourself? You can have a "general" network up in like a week this way. There are also tons of creative ways to use these domains (not only blog networks).

      And yes, I rank my micro sites with 3-6 high PR links - almost always enough to hit #1 or at least top 3. It's funny but right now ranking pages is so ridiculously easy! Stuff that worked back in 2009 is back and kicking some serious ass.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

        Why not scoop up like 30 aged PR2's with tons of links for $70/each and boost them to PR3+ yourself? You can have a "general" network up in like a week this way. There are also tons of creative ways to use these domains (not only blog networks).

        And yes, I rank my micro sites with 3-6 high PR links - almost always enough to hit #1 or at least top 3. It's funny but right now ranking pages is so ridiculously easy! Stuff that worked back in 2009 is back and kicking some serious ass.
        I scoop up PR3's and PR4's all the time, luckily I have one awesome broker that makes my life so easy, so yeah soon in the next Google update all those other domains that I picked up with Hayden's method will have PR, but either way I keep them for my tier2 network to boost up my web2.0 network. That way it's all low budget and enables me to post spun content to not lose a fortune on content or domains and still save cause of the web2.0 buffer, easy to replace as well in case it ever go's wrong. All hosted on A-class seo hosting.

        My other higher quality domains that I pay good money for are all hosted on shared hosting plans and themed well as I use them in tier1 for clients. Need to take good responsibility there of course.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mosa
          Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

          Why not scoop up like 30 aged PR2's with tons of links for $70/each and boost them to PR3+ yourself? You can have a "general" network up in like a week this way. There are also tons of creative ways to use these domains (not only blog networks).

          And yes, I rank my micro sites with 3-6 high PR links - almost always enough to hit #1 or at least top 3. It's funny but right now ranking pages is so ridiculously easy! Stuff that worked back in 2009 is back and kicking some serious ass.
          Yea, there's a lot people that say it doesn't work, but they just haven't figured it out I guess.

          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          I scoop up PR3's and PR4's all the time, luckily I have one awesome broker that makes my life so easy, so yeah soon in the next Google update all those other domains that I picked up with Hayden's method will have PR, but either way I keep them for my tier2 network to boost up my web2.0 network. That way it's all low budget and enables me to post spun content to not lose a fortune on content or domains and still save cause of the web2.0 buffer, easy to replace as well in case it ever go's wrong. All hosted on A-class seo hosting.

          My other higher quality domains that I pay good money for are all hosted on shared hosting plans and themed well as I use them in tier1 for clients. Need to take good responsibility there of course.
          You host part of your network on shared hosting plans? I heard that doing this isn't a good idea. But then again I'm not an expert in this area, I just read some stuff.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

            You host part of your network on shared hosting plans? I heard that doing this isn't a good idea. But then again I'm not an expert in this area, I just read some stuff.
            Yes obvious I host it on shared hosting plans, that way it's 100% safe cause it's surrounded by normal sites. When you do a reverse IP check on SEO hostings then you only see blog network style sites with a huge target on their back.

            Maybe you mean 1 shared hosting account, nope I have 50 different shared hosting accounts. It's a little more expensive and it requires a bit more planning but saver then this just doesn't exist.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
              Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

              Yes obvious I host it on shared hosting plans, that way it's 100% safe cause it's surrounded by normal sites. When you do a reverse IP check on SEO hostings then you only see blog network style sites with a huge target on their back.

              Maybe you mean 1 shared hosting account, nope I have 50 different shared hosting accounts. It's a little more expensive and it requires a bit more planning but saver then this just doesn't exist.
              What nik0 said. I have so many shared hosting accounts it's not even funny any more.

              And I keep getting new ones. I should start asking those big hosting companies for deals/discounts.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                Yes obvious I host it on shared hosting plans, that way it's 100% safe cause it's surrounded by normal sites. When you do a reverse IP check on SEO hostings then you only see blog network style sites with a huge target on their back.

                Maybe you mean 1 shared hosting account, nope I have 50 different shared hosting accounts. It's a little more expensive and it requires a bit more planning but saver then this just doesn't exist.
                Hmm, I'll have to definitely look into that. I really want to start improving our SEO work so that we can rank a lot of the much harder competition keywords soon.
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                • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                  Originally Posted by Mosa View Post

                  Hmm, I'll have to definitely look into that. I really want to start improving our SEO work so that we can rank a lot of the much harder competition keywords soon.
                  As a matter of fact I lately changed all my packages, now it includes 6, 12 or 16 real strong links from private domains. Then you can see exactly what you would need to rank your tough stuff, without spending thousands of dollars on domains and seperate hosting plans
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    As a matter of fact I lately changed all my packages, now it includes 6, 12 or 16 real strong links from private domains. Then you can see exactly what you would need to rank your tough stuff, without spending thousands of dollars on domains and seperate hosting plans
                    I'll definitely take a look at that, thanks niko. Sounds like you're constantly getting better and better
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                  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
                    Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                    As a matter of fact I lately changed all my packages, now it includes 6, 12 or 16 real strong links from private domains. Then you can see exactly what you would need to rank your tough stuff, without spending thousands of dollars on domains and seperate hosting plans
                    Just took a look at your packages. Looks really great!

                    By the way, if anyone wants to rank against some decent competition, I for one vouch for Niko. He's a very trustworthy and friendly guy who knows his stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author prtt75
    Nice share. Usually, I don't go for niches with $.80 CPC. Might as well worth trying, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author carlosponte
    Hi Mosa,

    When you talk about CPC, you mean the search CPC or the contextual CPC? In this case of Adsense microniches, it may have more sense the second one isnt it?

    Can it be why you choose to get some keywords with apparently low searches and CPC?
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Hey Carlosponte, I was just talking about the general CPC that the keyword tool lists. But, now that you mention it, I should run a comparison chart with the contextual targeting tool and our current earnings and see if we should be relying more on this for a more accurate reading.
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    Congratulation. It seems, you have a very solid strategy and that works for you.
    Thanks for the sharing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Forgot to mention, i was interested knowing are you guys using 1 key word for the PAD submission? because this is how it works, there is no spinning or kw selections..

    If so, that means you only build your links with 1 anchor (except for the social bookmarks). That could be a curtain way to get the slap, aren't you diversifying yet? or only when a site gets ranked.. cause its a bit risky for the long run.

    Also, be sure to checkout about your va "tactics" , as if he is sending these to the same list over and over, your leaving a massive footprint for the big G. Which is not only risky for you serps, but also to your precious adsense account (knock on wood)

    Cheers,
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      Forgot to mention, i was interested knowing are you guys using 1 key word for the PAD submission? because this is how it works, there is no spinning or kw selections..

      If so, that means you only build your links with 1 anchor (except for the social bookmarks). That could be a curtain way to get the slap, aren't you diversifying yet? or only when a site gets ranked.. cause its a bit risky for the long run.

      Also, be sure to checkout about your va "tactics" , as if he is sending these to the same list over and over, your leaving a massive footprint for the big G. Which is not only risky for you serps, but also to your precious adsense account (knock on wood)

      Cheers,
      Maybe you should ask Mosa to make a video of every single step. And buy him a spoon to feed you, geez.
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      • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
        Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

        Maybe you should ask Mosa to make a video of every single step. And buy him a spoon to feed you, geez.
        Its ok, ill let you feel like "the pro" you want to feel, just cause you didnt understand the question.

        If youl notice, instead of recovering from your ego hit, the message contains more help and suggestions to Mosa rather then information i dont know.

        But, for your confidence, YOURE THE MAN.

        Now stop hating and do something useful.

        Cheers,
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

          But, for your confidence, YOURE THE MAN.
          That's exactly what I wanted to hear, glad you do understand me!
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    Yes, hiring some VA would be a great deal, but be carefull. You should check on them periodically, at least for a few days to see if they are not lazy.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mosa
    Not to crash on the party, but i'm back

    Had a lot of things keeping me busy this past week.

    Niko pretty much answered many of these questions for me. And in his defense, I believe him to be one of the most knowledgeable backlinkers out there. I've personally chatted with the guy and he knows his stuff, back and front.

    To answer your questions Golan, I do believe that what your saying is correct. It's hard to vary anchor text with mass PAD links... I believe this is why they don't work as well on Partial Match Domains. On the other hand they still rock with EMD and our sites that are linked with them are holding strong.
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  • Thanks for you Mosa. Congrats for your success
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by ownergolan View Post

      PAD is bassically an xml file that hold information about a program/software or bassically any .exe .zip etc file. Its unique due to the fact that it points to your software url, information about the program & the company and itself. so when you submit a pad file to a softwware dorectory, and upgrade you software, the pad points to the new software.

      Leave all that, its just a way to publish your your softwarewhile its on your server, thats it.
      That't pretty much a good description of it. It's just another way of getting a backlink to a high authority site. The method has actually been around for quite a while.
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  • Profile picture of the author Pinchin Cents
    This is an excellent post and I thank you. Being a full-time work at home mom to 5 children and a full-time IT college student. I can only manage 5 sites at this time, ha-ha. Props to you for managing over 200, wow!!

    Thanks again!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mosa
      Originally Posted by Douglas Boldt View Post

      Thanks for the infos. Do you write your own content for each of these new sites, or do you buy articles from somewhere like textbroker? Congrats on making adsense loot. Hope it holds up for you long term.
      We have an article writing team of 10 writers that write for us.

      Originally Posted by Pinchin Cents View Post

      This is an excellent post and I thank you. Being a full-time work at home mom to 5 children and a full-time IT college student. I can only manage 5 sites at this time, ha-ha. Props to you for managing over 200, wow!!

      Thanks again!
      You just need to work on scaling. How big are those 5 sites anyway?
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  • Profile picture of the author jodiesmitham
    Hi Mosa,

    With the latest Google update, I was wondering if any of your EMD sites have been hit or whether you were able to establish them in time? I ask because I've noticed a number of 5 - 10 page EMD sites STILL in top positions for good keywords, but the difference is the domains are pretty old ~ 2 years upwards.

    J
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  • Profile picture of the author longhorn
    Hi Mosa,
    I have the same question as Jodie.
    A lot of IM people have changed their EMD strategies.
    It would be interesting to hear how your websites are doing after that update.
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    • Profile picture of the author Spectresoft
      Let the thread die! (yes I know I'm not helping)

      If you bother to check Mosa's sig link, you'd see they were TOASTED and haven't updated since October.

      Great run while it lasted.... but like so many other 'stories' here... it didn't last.
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