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Duplicate Content Myth

by Sumon2k7
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Sorry to bring this old discussion back onto table . I have read a lot of discussions about using same article for SEO purpose and was certain that it does no harm. I am developing a new link building strategy for a new site in which I am going to test this thing particularly. Here's my plan :

1) write 10 different articles of varying length and look for guest blogging opportunities in the same niche. After publishing all the articles next step will be

2) to publish all of them in top 10 high PR web2.0 property sites without changing a thing. So basically all those top tiered sites will look identical.

3) using same articles for top 15 article directories. Then bookmark all of them in high PR bookmarking sites. Repeat these steps for another set of articles.

I have other strategies as well. But I am not certain whether i am on right track or not. what you guys would do ? I have outsourced all the writings and I am on a budget for contents as well. My concern is :

If mydomain.com has:
Article A on 50 Article submission sites
Article B on same 50 Article submission sites
Article C on same 50 Article submission sites

Then Google will probably say "hmm, same 50 sites always being used for their article building" and may penalize me ?
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  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    Are you planning on writing the articles with the intent of attracting readers to click your links? Or, are you doing this only for SEO purposes?

    When Alexa arrives, she will certainly lecture you about "article directory marketing" as opposed to "article marketing". :p Get ready.... She will be coming soon...

    I write my articles to find an audience, so I don't care what Google thinks.

    I always want to put my best foot forward, so I write one article and try to get it published in a variety of places.

    Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth, and even if it wasn't, I would not care.

    I am not going to kick Google out of bed, but that broad can kiss mine, if she thinks she is going to get me to put my best articles on only one website.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      Originally Posted by tpw View Post


      I write my articles to find an audience, so I don't care what Google thinks.

      Duplicate Content Penalty is a myth, and even if it wasn't, I would not care.

      I am not going to kick Google out of bed, but that broad can kiss mine, if she thinks she is going to get me to put my best articles on only one website.
      LOL! That post should be required reading of all new members....

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  • Profile picture of the author Cool Hand Luke
    Originally Posted by Sumon2k7 View Post

    Sorry to bring this old discussion back onto table . I have read a lot of discussions about using same article for SEO purpose and was certain that it does no harm. I am developing a new link building strategy for a new site in which I am going to test this thing particularly. Here's my plan :

    1) write 10 different articles of varying length and look for guest blogging opportunities in the same niche. After publishing all the articles next step will be

    2) to publish all of them in top 10 high PR web2.0 property sites without changing a thing. So basically all those top tiered sites will look identical.

    3) using same articles for top 15 article directories. Then bookmark all of them in high PR bookmarking sites. Repeat these steps for another set of articles.

    I have other strategies as well. But I am not certain whether i am on right track or not. what you guys would do ? I have outsourced all the writings and I am on a budget for contents as well. My concern is :

    If mydomain.com has:
    Article A on 50 Article submission sites
    Article B on same 50 Article submission sites
    Article C on same 50 Article submission sites

    Then Google will probably say "hmm, same 50 sites always being used for their article building" and may penalize me ?
    A couple of points:

    1. Considering the ad in your signature file claims your service "is designed to rank for any keyword", why are you asking us about SEO?

    2. You actually wrote "Expecting Alexa Smith's attention" in the thread title?! Wow. If you want to speak to Alexa, PM her and ask nicely. Demanding someone's attention or time here is very rude.
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    • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      2. You actually wrote "Expecting Alexa Smith's attention" in the thread title?! Wow. If you want to speak to Alexa, PM her and ask nicely. Demanding someone's attention or time here is very rude.
      To be honest I read that as 'smiley, tongue in cheek' rather than demanding - just goes to show that tone can get lost when posting online!
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      • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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        Originally Posted by The Great Gordino View Post

        To be honest I read that as 'smiley, tongue in cheek' rather than demanding - just goes to show that tone can get lost when posting online!
        I read it as "I've seen her give the answer before, but I'm going to ask again because..." well, I can't really pretend to understand the motivation behind it :rolleyes:.
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    • Profile picture of the author Sumon2k7
      Originally Posted by Cool Hand Luke View Post

      A couple of points:

      1. Considering the ad in your signature file claims your service "is designed to rank for any keyword", why are you asking us about SEO?

      2. You actually wrote "Expecting Alexa Smith's attention" in the thread title?! Wow. If you want to speak to Alexa, PM her and ask nicely. Demanding someone's attention or time here is very rude.
      I know SEO myself but like i said i haven't tried this strategy yet for any of my clients and neither for my own sites. So I wanted to make sure what others think about this and may be i can get a new direction before the kick-off.

      Alexa is prominent here for this sort of discussions and my intention was to share her thoughts with others as well. I don't see anything rude here.
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  • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
    Originally Posted by Sumon2k7 View Post

    1) write 10 different articles of varying length and look for guest blogging opportunities in the same niche. After publishing all the articles next step will be
    When you say 'after publishing all the articles' you do mean publishing each one on your *own* site first, right?
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  • Profile picture of the author Benjamin Ehinger
    The main issue I see is that many blogs/websites that will accept guest blog posts want unique content that isn't used anywhere else. You could upset some of these potentially good contacts by publishing the content you use for them on other sites. I would at least let them know up front what you plan to do.

    Benjamin
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    • Profile picture of the author The Great Gordino
      Originally Posted by Benjamin Ehinger View Post

      The main issue I see is that many blogs/websites that will accept guest blog posts want unique content that isn't used anywhere else. You could upset some of these potentially good contacts by publishing the content you use for them on other sites. I would at least let them know up front what you plan to do.

      Benjamin
      Since all articles should be published on your own site first, guest blogging on sites that only take unique content is not in the equation.

      If you *do* want to go for guest blogging on sites that only take unique content, it can be worth it occasionally, but only if you know full well you will be getting exposure to a massive slice of your target audience, as it's a one time only use of your content.

      Cheers,
      Gordon
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      • Profile picture of the author fin
        I read it as "I've only started another myth thread because I know Alexa will chime in."

        Who's right? Tell us... Now! I expect an answer.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      What you have actually described Sumom2k7 is pretty much an SEO oriented strategy using (for the most part) article "Directory" marketing, NOT Article Marketing, as used by Alexa, myself and many other experienced and knowledgeable marketers.

      In the wake of Panda and Penguin, if you splash content randomly all over the internet with links and anchor text all pointing directly to your website, you almost certainly will fall foul of Google. Not because of the content as such, but because of the contrived backlinking which Google will see through in a heartbeat. I mention this only because you seem to be working with SEO as your objective. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about SEO..

      You still clearly don't "get it" yet insofar as "Article Marketing" is concerned. It's got absolutely nothing to do with SEO, it's all about syndication and getting your content in front of relevant eyeballs. Aside from Ezine Articles, publishing to random other directories and content sites isn't likely to achieve this.

      Also, you refer to publishing on "10 high PR web2.0 property sites". The home page of these sites may have a high PR, but the page you article will be published on will be PR0. Pages have page rank, not web sites.

      EDIT: Just noticed this:

      Originally Posted by Sumon2k7 View Post

      No I meant after publishing in the guest blogs.
      The absolute basis of "Article Marketing" involves first publishing all your content on your own website(s) first, then moving forward with syndication once it's been indexed there.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sumon2k7
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        What you have actually described Sumom2k7 is pretty much an SEO oriented strategy using (for the most part) article "Directory" marketing, NOT Article Marketing, as used by Alexa, myself and many other experienced and knowledgeable marketers.

        In the wake of Panda and Penguin, if you splash content randomly all over the internet with links and anchor text all pointing directly to your website, you almost certainly will fall foul of Google. Not because of the content as such, but because of the contrived backlinking which Google will see through in a heartbeat. I mention this only because you seem to be working with SEO as your objective. Personally, I don't give a rat's ass about SEO..

        You still clearly don't "get it" yet insofar as "Article Marketing" is concerned. It's got absolutely nothing to do with SEO, it's all about syndication and getting your content in front of relevant eyeballs. Aside from Ezine Articles, publishing to random other directories and content sites isn't likely to achieve this.

        Also, you refer to publishing on "10 high PR web2.0 property sites". The home page of these sites may have a high PR, but the page you article will be published on will be PR0. Pages have page rank, not web sites.
        Thanks for the tips. The property links still works even though the inner pages are of low PR. I have had great results with link pyramids , wheels etc using web2.0 sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        The absolute basis of "Article Marketing" involves first publishing all your content on your own website(s) first, then moving forward with syndication once it's been indexed there.

        I hate to disagree with you Annie, but...

        The absolute basis of "article marketing" is syndicating content to third-parties.

        Putting the article on your own site first is an option, not a requirement.

        Most of the folks here put the article on their own site, before syndication. I do not.

        I syndicate articles to find new audiences, and I don't want readers to find my syndicated articles on my own website, because I feel that if the reader stumbles into an article that they have already read on my website, they might leave my website prematurely.
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        • Profile picture of the author Nicola Lane
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I syndicate articles to find new audiences, and I don't want readers to find my syndicated articles on my own website, because I feel that if the reader stumbles into an article that they have already read on my website, they might leave my website prematurely.
          They won't if it is done properly.

          If the syndicating site introduces your article - My friend Bill Platt over at BillPlattsAwesomeness.com recently wrote a great article, and he has given me permission to share it with my readers here:

          You could also make it clear in your bio box.

          Hope that helps.
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          • Profile picture of the author tpw
            Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

            They won't if it is done properly.

            If the syndicating site introduces your article - My friend Bill Platt over at BillPlattsAwesomeness.com recently wrote a great article, and he has given me permission to share it with my readers here:

            You could also make it clear in your bio box.

            Hope that helps.

            Some of my syndicated articles have appeared on my websites, but more often, I do syndication for traffic, and I provide unique article content and sales pages on my websites.

            A lot of my syndicated articles were the adaptations of guest blog posts and my contributions to threads inside of forums.

            Yes, I could put my syndicated articles on my websites, but I frequently choose not to do so.

            My syndicated articles are a teaser for what is about to be found on my website, and my syndicated articles are strong enough to win the trust of my reader, so that my reader could immediately go to a sales page and buy from me.

            I always include 2 URL's in my author resource box -- one for a sales page, and the second for an information page.
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          • Profile picture of the author cashcow
            Originally Posted by Nicola Lane View Post

            ..... My friend Bill Platt over at BillPlattsAwesomeness.com recently wrote .......
            I actually thought that was a real website......
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        • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
          Originally Posted by tpw View Post

          I hate to disagree with you Annie, but...

          The absolute basis of "article marketing" is syndicating content to third-parties.

          Putting the article on your own site first is an option, not a requirement.

          Most of the folks here put the article on their own site, before syndication. I do not.

          I syndicate articles to find new audiences, and I don't want readers to find my syndicated articles on my own website, because I feel that if the reader stumbles into an article that they have already read on my website, they might leave my website prematurely.
          You have made some very valid points Bill and I see exactly where you are coming from. You've given me a huge plateful of food for thought...
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  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Robinson
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    I'll just leave these here...

    Is Article Marketing Dead?!
    Article Writing & Syndication Explained?
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  • Profile picture of the author cashcow
    Sounds like you are mixing SEO with article syndication.

    I guess that could be effective but the key is to write an engaging article that is so interesting to the reader that they click your link to go to your site and read more from you. If you don't do that, then you will only be working the SEO part of the plan.

    I think the writing an engaging article part is the part a lot of people miss. Syndication does not work without it. Writing an engaging article takes time/skills but the good thing is that the article can be used over and over again. Of course, you have to put that article in places where people who want to read about the topic are looking and not your usual "SEO" places.
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  • Profile picture of the author oniram
    I don't try to generate traffic by posting my articles on blogs (been there done that). It may work for some. Publish on my site only and could care less about SEO or keyword research.
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  • Profile picture of the author biz_online
    Very interesting discussion...
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