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Why do the majority of internet marketers make crappy sites and expect to make a ton of money?

by nest28
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While searching for new keywords it seem as if things had gotten much easier to rank sites post penguin, I use micro niche finder and traffic travis together. Micro niche finder seems to show how the serps use to look before penguin, but traffic travis shows real time serp positions.

So I might look to see if a keyword is easy or not and search (mob) measure of backlinks to see who is on the first page of google, and normally it will show at least 3 exact match domains, than I check using traffic travis and all of those same domains are gone, and because of that that keyword has become easy to rank.

What I've found lately is that my main competition is large retail stores who don't optimize their pages for these terms, probably because they get so much traffic that they don't care about a keyword that get's 4,400 or 9,900 because they rank for terms that get 50,000.


Anyways back to the point I was trying to make, when I look for the .com,net,org versions of these websites there all poorly made and have bad links profiles, and this seems to be common which means there are a lot of marketers just spitting out these corny little sites, and than expect to make thousands online, or they wonder why they lost their rankings.


I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to make a great site for people, especially if your making money from that site. It's a win win situation, it seems to me like a lot of IMer's are selfish they want to take, but not give.

Your visitors make you money right, so why not pay them back by having a great site?


Please stop making these:

Common for adsense

Automatic Blood Pressure Monitor


Common for amazon

Lawn Mower Review Sites | Consumer Opinion and Feedback
Actually the lawn mower sites is not bad, it's just the fact that you can tell right away that it is a amazon affiliate site, people use the same type of templates a million times.



Oh and for you amazon guys, there are more niches than just home improvement,power tools,saws,mowers it's like everybody makes sites based on some e-book, there are plenty of items without competition that cost more than a hundred dollars, that has a lot of good reviews.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    While searching for new keywords it seem as if things had gotten much easier to rank sites post penguin, I use micro niche finder and traffic travis together. Micro niche finder seems to show how the serps use to look before penguin, but traffic travis shows real time serp positions.

    So I might look to see if a keyword is easy or not and search (mob) measure of backlinks to see who is on the first page of google, and normally it will show at least 3 exact match domains, than I check using traffic travis and all of those same domains are gone, and because of that that keyword has become easy to rank.

    What I've found lately is that my main competition is large retail stores who don't optimize their pages for these terms, probably because they get so much traffic that they don't care about a keyword that get's 4,400 or 9,900 because they rank for terms that get 50,000.


    Anyways back to the point I was trying to make, when I look for the .com,net,org versions of these websites there all poorly made and have bad links profiles, and this seems to be common which means there are a lot of marketers just spitting out these corny little sites, and than expect to make thousands online, or they wonder why they lost their rankings.


    I just don't understand why you wouldn't want to make a great site for people, especially if your making money from that site. It's a win win situation, it seems to me like a lot of IMer's are selfish they want to take, but not give.

    Your visitors make you money right, so why not pay them back by having a great site?


    Please stop making these:

    Common for adsense

    Automatic Blood Pressure Monitor


    Common for amazon

    Lawn Mower Review Sites | Consumer Opinion and Feedback
    Actually the lawn mower sites is not bad, it's just the fact that you can tell right away that it is a amazon affiliate site, people use the same type of templates a million times.



    Oh and for you amazon guys, there are more niches than just home improvement,power tools,saws,mowers it's like everybody makes sites based on some e-book, there are plenty of items without competition that cost more than a hundred dollars, that has a lot of good reviews.
    I think the lawn mower site is fine? Just because its "standard" doesn't mean that the actual value it provides is any less. Are you going to rage on bloggers who use TwentyEleven or TwentyTen next? What about hairdressers that use scissors as their logo?

    I remember you made some kind of site, and it was god awful too. So surely you must know why internet marketers do this? It's to make quick, easy, off-hands money.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      I think the lawn mower site is fine? Just because its "standard" doesn't mean that the actual value it provides is any less. Are you going to rage on bloggers who use TwentyEleven or TwentyTen next?
      He might not but hey I will. Height of laziness with all the themes for wordpress out there.

      and yes there are big downsides that I think a few of you are not getting. Its not a matter of being an ugly site its a matter of using the same themes and designs being used by hundred or thousands of sites doing the same thing.

      there are manual reviewers Google employs and sometimes when you see the same thing over and over you just get a prejudice for a site. I'm sorry but if I see a twentyeleven theme on a site with 15 or more in article links on the home page my first assumption is its a SEO blog network site. It would take good evidence to dissuade me because I have seen so many lazy network owners just slap up that theme and drop links its become just a natural assumption and one I am sure reviewers have as well.

      It has user implications too because if I see a twenty eleven theme on a site it just tells me that owner doesn't have much effort put out and the content is probably going to suck for that same lack of effort. Some exceptions? yes but most of the time it follows just like I thought.
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  • Profile picture of the author GyuMan82
    Good observation nest28.

    I think you have to recognize that a good amount of people attracted to IM are for the most part lazy as the glitz and glamor of making passive money and quitting your day job is quite appealing to these folk.

    As I am sure you know IM though rewarding, takes quite a bit of work. Ironically it actually takes a TON of work to make "passive" income.

    That being said you could make the same argument about dieting. Everyone knows how to lose weight. Diet and exercise, duh. Yet there are so many fat people.

    IM is the same way. How do you make money? Create quality websites and user value. Easy peezy yet so many people don't have the discipline to do so.

    What we do is not hard, just monotonous. Good topic, I would be curious to hear what others say.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post


      I think you have to recognize that a good amount of people attracted to IM are for the most part lazy as the glitz and glamor of making passive money and quitting your day job is quite appealing to these folk.
      LAZY and WSO mentality just about sums it up.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        LAZY and WSO mentality just about sums it up.
        That's the biggest problem going on here, some of the people on this forum act like they've been brain washed, they use the same backlinking methods as everybody else,same templates, and do keyword research the same.

        Oh let me go to amazon, click on home improvement and find me a power tool to promote, wow I found one "air compressor' aww the emd is taken, wait I know I'll make myaircompressorreviews.com, yea that sounds great, just like that WSO said. Now I'm on my way to making millions of dollars lol.

        Soon as I started researching products on amazon the first thing I said is I'm going in a whole other niche then what all the WSOs, and gurus said to do.

        While your making sites on lawn mowers and garbage disposals I find products with high monthly searches in a low competition niche.

        The result is that all of my competition is large sites with pr of 1,0,n/a, instead of sharing the page with review site that and review site this.


        I gotta put my anti-marketer sig back lol.
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    Who cares what other people do? As long as you're doing a better job than they are then whats it matter anyway?
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      I think the lawn mower site is fine? Just because its "standard" doesn't mean that the actual value it provides is any less. Are you going to rage on bloggers who use TwentyEleven or TwentyTen next? What about hairdressers that use scissors as their logo?

      I remember you made some kind of site, and it was god awful too. So surely you must know why internet marketers do this? It's to make quick, easy, off-hands money.
      You seem like your offended or something, I don't know what god awful site your talking about, I only showed 3 sites of mine, and 2 were nowhere near finish and all of my sites were a hundred pages, plus some had forums, that alone makes my sites better than any the sites mentioned above. All I said was stop making crappy sites and I always get people who want to say negative things, yet if I said hey i make 3000.00 a month from 50 sites you'd be asking me how I did and probably try to replicate it. All I make is quality sites, none of my templates are commonly used and if you went to one of my sites you wouldn't even know I was a amazon affiliate.


      Originally Posted by GyuMan82 View Post

      Good observation nest28.

      I think you have to recognize that a good amount of people attracted to IM are for the most part lazy as the glitz and glamor of making passive money and quitting your day job is quite appealing to these folk.

      As I am sure you know IM though rewarding, takes quite a bit of work. Ironically it actually takes a TON of work to make "passive" income.

      That being said you could make the same argument about dieting. Everyone knows how to lose weight. Diet and exercise, duh. Yet there are so many fat people.

      IM is the same way. How do you make money? Create quality websites and user value. Easy peezy yet so many people don't have the discipline to do so.

      What we do is not hard, just monotonous. Good topic, I would be curious to hear what others say.
      You got that right, and judging by some of these comments so far it will be plenty more of these ugly sites made before the day is out.
      Originally Posted by alistair View Post

      Who cares what other people do? As long as you're doing a better job than they are then whats it matter anyway?
      This is a forum, I simply started a thread based on something that was on my mind.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
    I was refering to your medical one, and just because it has a lot of content doesn't mean a site is not crap.

    I'm not offended, I just think you are a troll.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

      I was refering to your medical one, and just because it has a lot of content doesn't mean a site is not crap.

      I'm not offended, I just think you are a troll.
      I'm glad I'm not as ignorant as you, your probably mad because you make sites like the ones I pointed out. I don't know or care what ya problem is, but know this, your really lucky this is a online forum and your far away. People like you never have the heart to say these kinds of things in person. I stand behind my old ultrasound site, and any site that I make.


      You people rather believe liars,WSO saying the same ol bull, than to listen to somebody that's actually trying to help, whatever mass produce ya ugly sites that will be banned at one point or another I really don't even know why I cared.
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      • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        I'm glad I'm not as ignorant as you, your probably mad because you make sites like the ones I pointed out. I don't know or care what ya problem is, but know this, your really lucky this is a online forum and your far away. People like you never have the heart to say these kinds of things in person. I stand behind my old ultrasound site, and any site that I make.


        You people rather believe liars,WSO saying the same ol bull, than to listen to somebody that's actually trying to help, whatever mass produce ya ugly sites that will be banned at one point or another I really don't even know why I cared.
        Stop trying to assume you know what people are like when you write posts. And perhaps stop posting all together, would benefit the forum.

        You arrogance is borderline emetic, and you try and call your ultrasound site quality? Man, you are so delusional. Again, just because YOU wrote it and you wrote a lot doesn't mean its any good.

        I'm not hiding, this is my real name, which is more than can be said about your username, I'd be more than happy to say the same to you in real life, I dont think I'm being unreasonable here.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

          Stop trying to assume you know what people are like when you write posts. And perhaps stop posting all together, would benefit the forum.

          You arrogance is borderline emetic, and you try and call your ultrasound site quality? Man, you are so delusional. Again, just because YOU wrote it and you wrote a lot doesn't mean its any good.

          I'm not hiding, this is my real name, which is more than can be said about your username, I'd be more than happy to say the same to you in real life, I dont think I'm being unreasonable here.
          My name is Ernest Roker, I live in philly, an trust me. you aint trying say anything in person. Believe that. You calling me a troll and think your not being unreasonable and all because I said to stop making crappy sites. Where do people like you come from, or is it because the face on my profile pic is to dark for ya.

          That's your real name, with no face, makes it easy to talk trash online doesn't it.
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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            My name is Ernest Roker, I live in philly, an trust me. you aint trying say anything in person. Believe that. You calling me a troll and think your not being unreasonable and all because I said to stop making crappy sites. Where do people like you come from, or is it because the face on my profile pic is to dark for ya.

            That's your real name, with no face, makes it easy to talk trash online doesn't it.
            Yo Nest, forget that fool. Like I mentioned before, you, Yukon, Paulgl, Mike Anthony, Wolfmmiii, and a couple others have provided more value than anyone else. Not only good value, but good topics to actually discuss.

            This guy right here plain out decided to target you more than the subject.

            As far as these crappy sites, I agree. There are tons of crappy sites. I just look at them and I smile. It reminds myself why I'm in here for the long haul. The fact that I can surpass these crappy a** looking sites, provide way better value for the people, and so on.

            Keep doing what you're doing. Your site looks good. I have a very similar template. And by the way, is there any other way to contact you? My inbox is getting full and I'm not a war member lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
            what a site "looks" like has nothing to do with the quality of the site. A few successful examples? craigslist, drudgereport and google.

            Google serves the purpose people go to a search engine for--to search. Yahoo serves a broader purpose but it's lost it's appeal as a search engine.

            There are much better looking classified sites than craigslist (locanto), but they were first and it's easy to find what you're looking for on craigslist. Other classified sites are difficult to use. I do believe they will lose visitors to backpage because they're making it too difficult to get and keep an account.

            That blood pressure site is one of those following John's (xfactor) template even though he told everyone to create their own look and not to duplicate a single template. He also told others that a microNICHE site does NOT have to be a MICRO site. He said he continues to add content to all of his microniche sites and they all have over 100 pages.

            Some of the most useful sites on the web are UGLY. The question is, do they provide the visitor what they're looking for. I think the blood pressure site is a good start.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

              what a site "looks" like has nothing to do with the quality of the site. A few successful examples? craigslist, drudgereport and google.

              Google serves the purpose people go to a search engine for--to search. Yahoo serves a broader purpose but it's lost it's appeal as a search engine.

              There are much better looking classified sites than craigslist (locanto), but they were first and it's easy to find what you're looking for on craigslist. Other classified sites are difficult to use. I do believe they will lose visitors to backpage because they're making it too difficult to get and keep an account.

              That blood pressure site is one of those following John's (xfactor) template even though he told everyone to create their own look and not to duplicate a single template. He also told others that a microNICHE site does NOT have to be a MICRO site. He said he continues to add content to all of his microniche sites and they all have over 100 pages.

              Some of the most useful sites on the web are UGLY. The question is, do they provide the visitor what they're looking for. I think the blood pressure site is a good start.

              IMO, the down side of expanding the blood pressure site (link in OP) is the EMD. They should have branded the site/domain then used the keyword (Automatic Blood Pressure Monitor) as a single category of (6) pages instead of an EMD with 6 pages.

              They could have ranked for the keyword with an internal page (one of the 6 category pages) with the same amount of work as ranking the Index page.

              Branding a domain is easier than finding an available EMD & also way easier to expand the site with new relevant keywords later on when/If the webmaster wants.

              As far as a site being ugly, true, they can also turn a profit. Again my opinion, the key to web pages is simplicity, don't give the traffic too many options, keep the pages focused on the goal (optin form, click, or whatever the goal is...).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'm sure there's a few folks banking with Amazon, my question is who in the world would buy a riding mower on Amazon? Maybe Amazon gets buyers for riding mowers (IDK), I would seriously be impressed If they did make riding mower sales.

    I use Adsense for my own sites & maybe I'm biased but the Amazon fake review sites irritate the he$$ out of me, I guess because as an IMer I know they're all fake.

    I don't build Adsense sites like most folks around here, I have 3 larger sites (and a few smaller related sites) that provide usable/wanted content for traffic. I literally had non-SEO traffic in place before I ever built my first Adsense sites. I know exactly what my traffic likes/wants, all I do is provide the content (traffic lure).

    I know there's thousands of ways to earn money online, IMO the key is a traffic lure, which is either a product/content, or service.

    One thing the micro sites haven't experienced (or they wouldn't build micro sites) is how larger useful sites get & retain traffic (besides SEO). Large useful sites generate traffic from word of mouth and relevant blog/forum post posted from existing traffic & snowballs over time. Yeah I know, people don't don't want to hear this, anyways, it works.

    Ask yourself this "How much traffic would I have If all my traffic kept returning to my site/s?". Only relying on new traffic is just too much unnecessary work.

    Also, just because you run Adsense doesn't mean you can't build an email list (assumes content is worthy) & notify old traffic about new content to get them back to your site ($$). Matter of fact, Adsense can be monetized directly in a Feedburner email, traffic doesn't even have to follow the link in the email back to the site, they can click the Adsense directly in the Feedburner email.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkBowden
    You know I often feel the same way as you do. I care about what my sites look like, therefore I take the extra time so it doesn't look like total crap. I think it just comes down to who is looking at the site. The ones who aren't internet savvy probably won't care and that's who you ultimately want to have landing on your niche sites, hitting the Adsense or Amazon links.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Here's a site that I was playing around with, the content is from amazon, something I had planned on changing later. I was going to mix things up a bit and have sites with lower priced itmes as well as sites with higher priced items.


      Anyways you tell me what's ugly about this Off the Shoulder Tops

      Here I'll even help you out the keyword is "off the shoulder tops" 8,100 exact searches low competition, if you want to negative seo this site go head, want to steal the keyword and make a site like this one go ahead I've moved on.

      This is the last time I bother to help on this forum.
      I think that's a nice site mate. But I was never really arguing that you couldn't make great sites, I just think you are being pretty saint-like by jumping in here telling everyone else what's crap, when I DISTINCTLY remember your ultrasound site being very messy with poor formatting and ads blocking most of the site.

      I'm sorry if you felt being called a troll was out of line, I just see you constantly make these threads that you know the answer to and somehow trying to perceive yourself as some kind of holy genius of marketing...oh wait you're the anti marketer of the marketing forum sorry.

      I'm sorry if you feel hurt by what I'm saying, but I just speak the truth man, I can't put on a face and just say: Fantastic post Nest, you're the man! when I add everything up, hope you understand.
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      Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

      Here's a site that I was playing around with, the content is from amazon, something I had planned on changing later. I was going to mix things up a bit and have sites with lower priced itmes as well as sites with higher priced items.


      Anyways you tell me what's ugly about this Off the Shoulder Tops

      Here I'll even help you out the keyword is "off the shoulder tops" 8,100 exact searches low competition, if you want to negative seo this site go head, want to steal the keyword and make a site like this one go ahead I've moved on.

      This is the last time I bother to help on this forum.

      If you don't care about that domain you could still sell the EMD & throw in any content you already have. At least you would break even (or better) on the domain cost.

      I'm not an EMD believer but there's thousands of people out there who like them.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        If you don't care about that domain you could still sell the EMD & throw in any content you already have. At least you would break even (or better) on the domain cost.

        I'm not an EMD believer but there's thousands of people out there who like them.
        Emd and amazon sites are not my cup of tea either, but I decided to try something new. I believe authority sites are always the best way to go.
        Honestly I rather have a authority site that gives unbiased reviews than a micro niche site that gives reviews in order to gain revenue.

        It's my hope that in the future I can have a site like Fraiserc's universe today. I think everyone should think long term, I'm just recovering from losing all of my online income so that's the only reason I'm taking the quicker route and using emds, once I start making money again I plan on making a authority site. I ONLY WANT ONE SITE. Thanx for the advice Yukon.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          Emd and amazon sites are not my cup of tea either, but I decided to try something new. I believe authority sites are always the best way to go.
          Honestly I rather have a authority site that gives unbiased reviews than a micro niche site that gives reviews in order to gain revenue.

          It's my hope that in the future I can have a site like Fraiserc's universe today. I think everyone should think long term, I'm just recovering from losing all of my online income so that's the only reason I'm taking the quicker route and using emds, once I start making money again I plan on making a authority site. I ONLY WANT ONE SITE. Thanx for the advice Yukon.
          If you want a site like Fraiserc's universe today, I would go all sub-niche on something like the Mars Curiosity landing (seriously).

          That whole Curiosity project is built for years of research on Mars, you would never run out of content ideas (probably for the rest of our lives). Even after the Curiosity Mars project, the site would serve as historical content & still get traffic (assumes the content is worthy).

          Not only is the Curiosity project going to be in the news for years, Nasa is talking about manned missions to Mars which could be years & years of related content.

          My point is the sub-niche revolving around the main keyword Mars is going to be a hot topic for years, since the Nasa Curiosity landing was successful. Mars is basically the doorway to exploring the rest of the Solar System.

          Meanwhile your selling the he$$ out of astronomy supplies/equipment etc...

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          • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            If you want a site like Fraiserc's universe today, I would go all sub-niche on something like the Mars Curiosity landing (seriously).

            That whole Curiosity project is built for years of research on Mars, you would never run out of content ideas (probably for the rest of our lives). Even after the Curiosity Mars project, the site would serve as historical content & still get traffic (assumes the content is worthy).

            Not only is the Curiosity project going to be in the news for years, Nasa is talking about manned missions to Mars which could be years & years of related content.

            My point is the sub-niche revolving around the main keyword Mars is going to be a hot topic for years, since the Nasa Curiosity landing was successful. Mars is basically the doorway to exploring the rest of the Solar System.

            Meanwhile your selling the he$$ out of astronomy supplies/equipment etc...

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            My friend was part of that project. He keeps texting me to look for videos of him celebrating as if he won the lottery. (Well, I understand that that's a big accomplishment ).
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

              My friend was part of that project. He keeps texting me to look for videos of him celebrating as if he won the lottery. (Well, I understand that that's a big accomplishment ).
              Cool!

              That's a huge accomplishment considering even the engineers thought the landing was extremely risky (which it was), I think they called it 7 min. of terror?

              Wasn't that project in the works for the last 7-8 years & billions of $$?

              Congrats. to your friend!
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          • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            If you want a site like Fraiserc's universe today,...
            And there's another very successful "ugly" site (no offense intended). It's one of the most basic wordpress sites around, but he made it a success for reasons that have little to do with its looks.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

              And there's another very successful "ugly" site (no offense intended). It's one of the most basic wordpress sites around, but he made it a success for reasons that have little to do with its looks.
              I wouldn't really call that site ugly, simple & plain yes, but not really ugly (IMO). That theme is Thesis.

              On my Adsense sites I've found simple & plain pages are easier to keep traffic focused on the goal ($$).
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          • Profile picture of the author nest28
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            If you want a site like Fraiserc's universe today, I would go all sub-niche on something like the Mars Curiosity landing (seriously).

            That whole Curiosity project is built for years of research on Mars, you would never run out of content ideas (probably for the rest of our lives). Even after the Curiosity Mars project, the site would serve as historical content & still get traffic (assumes the content is worthy).

            Not only is the Curiosity project going to be in the news for years, Nasa is talking about manned missions to Mars which could be years & years of related content.

            My point is the sub-niche revolving around the main keyword Mars is going to be a hot topic for years, since the Nasa Curiosity landing was successful. Mars is basically the doorway to exploring the rest of the Solar System.

            Meanwhile your selling the he$$ out of astronomy supplies/equipment etc...

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            I love this guy lol, you came up with a million dollar idea off the top of your head just because I said I wanted a site like Fraiserc, I only meant that I would like to have a large authority that is successful, not that I wanted a site dealing with the universe.

            As mention by Carl, that site isn't much to look at but it is extremely successful. When I said why do people make crappy sites, I wasn't just talking about the looks, I meant the fact that there only a few pages, and the content is crap. Normally these sites just happen to be ugly also, so I guess that's why people focused on that aspect.
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

              I love this guy lol, you came up with a million dollar idea off the top of your head just because I said I wanted a site like Fraiserc, I only meant that I would like to have a large authority that is successful, not that I wanted a site dealing with the universe.

              As mention by Carl, that site isn't much to look at but it is extremely successful. When I said why do people make crappy sites, I wasn't just talking about the looks, I meant the fact that there only a few pages, and the content is crap. Normally these sites just happen to be ugly also, so I guess that's why people focused on that aspect.
              Lol, I see what your saying (now).

              Still, anyone into astronomy has a good source (Nasa/Mars) for unlimited content, rewrite the content & probably be able to use the video & images since it's a Gov site (not sure If those are considered public domain?).

              Anyways... My advice for building a large site is pick a niche that you can tolerate for a long time, like a hobby that you personally enjoy. The example niche above (Nasa/Mars) could be for someone into astronomy as a hobby.

              Something else to consider for content is Gov databases (they have a lot), just make sure it's all public domain content.

              Examples: "database" site:.gov

              Make sure to do the research for TOS & to see If it's public domain. Sometimes the Gov will also include content/images not in public domain.
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        • Profile picture of the author andyj00
          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          , I'm just recovering from losing all of my online income so that's the only reason I'm taking the quicker route and using emds, once I start making money again I plan on making a authority site....
          How come you lost all your online income? What happened?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    As far as that 6 page MFA site in OP (Automatic Blood Pressure Monitor), a single category of pages on my site/s would knock that EMD/MFA out of the 1st SERP position, If they ranked 1st & I was in the same niche. I have no doubts about that.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Like the saying goes, don't argue with fools, because from a distance people can't tell who is who, so on that note I'm outta here. I would like to say sorry to my fellow warriors, why I let this person suck me into a meaningless dispute is beyond me, it's a reflex when some one insults.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    1) They want money.
    2) They don't how to make good websites.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Don't get me wrong I'm not saying that a great looking sites equals a great site, I'm just saying those old ugly green and black sites are really outdated, not to mention ugly. They offer no value, as for my old ultrasound site, it wasn't ugly or awful , and it didn't have a bunch of ads. I had one ad block in the side bar, that would disappear when someone click on a post. Than a ad block would appear inside the content, I never had more than on ad on a page.


    Even with my amazon sites that I'm making I have decided not to make the image affiliate links, but instead let the customer click on the pic and get a better look , instead of tricking them into going to amazon.

    Not including the site I showed as a example.


    I have been accused of sounding like some kind of holy roller before, why I don't know. When I make these threads normally some of the most successful marketers on the wf back me up on what I'm saying.

    But for the record I am still learning, I ask questions on the forum all the time, I never once said that I know all there is to know about IM. I made this thread because I've seen first hand what kind of sites are being made by the masses, and I totally understand why google doesn't like us, just one look at the examples I gave earlier makes me not like IMers either. When somebody makes a spammy comment on your site you get made and delete it right, so what do you think google is doing.

    Make whatever type of sites you want to make, if you aspire to make crap than that's fine, I personally would like to add value to the internet that's why I had all information sites before, and I used my analytic's report to give my visitors what they were asking for.

    But hey that's just me, most don't seem to care about their visitors, they just care about the money. Maybe I tried to push my way of thinking onto you, in in the process came off to strong, idk, but I'll stop making threads like this either way.

    Ggpaul you my boi, thanx for the back up. Contact me on fb, or I can inbox you my number.
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    • Profile picture of the author ahefner33
      I'll be honest with you. I once was one that made tons of 'not easy on the eye' sites and slapped @dsense on them. It's what I learned coming into IM. I wasn't lazy. It's just what I knew to do. And then the reason I think it catches on is you can actually make a substantial ROI with them. A site I made a while back was a all white, black, simple header, and dark blue links around the shark steam cleaners. At the point of selling it, was earning 100-150 a day. Higher some days near holidays. I think once somebody see's that, they repeat it because it actually does make good money. All about the traffic. Get the traffic there (legit traffic) and you can make it work


      EDIT: "But hey that's just me, most don't seem to care about their visitors, they just care about the money." - and I do believe that's what most are looking for. The money. Not the experience. I can probably almost guarantee you that at some point in your IM career, that if you convert a "crappier" looking site (if you ever create one) that you'll come across a few will actually convert less, are far less sociallably shared, and have a higher bounce rate. Somethings won't make sense in marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author ownergolan
    Your eye for website design and authority dose not match the eye of a 60 year old granny. You should know that already, more then that, i do agree websites should look good.

    Hell its so cheap and easy to put up an amazing website. But sometimes you need to DOWNGRADE it for the ctr to rise.

    Common IM issue.
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    You speaking the truth. I like when you said you make money off them so give them something back!
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Ha, ha, check this out, I followed the search/link I posted in my last comment & clicked a few pages deep in Google search.

    Who would have ever thought that the US Gov would have a database of food recipes, complete with nutrition facts, lol.

    If that's all public domain, that's an instant food site waiting to happen. That's just one of the databases, they have thousands...

    Recipe search | SNAP-Ed Connection: Recipe Finder

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    Assuming that Gov recipe database is public domain, that's the equivalent to 594 pages of food related content that could be monetized with Amazon or similar aff., on new or existing food related sites. Or use for building an email list with a free recipe ebook for the optin (like there's not enough recipes on the net already, lol).
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  • Profile picture of the author ilee
    As with everything there's always some people that look for the fast route or the shortcut, and while some people may be successful in doing this, it really isn't sustainable.

    Now do crappy sites include sites that look crappy but provide value?
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  • Profile picture of the author Lyanna
    But ugly sites and design convert well. The Ugly Truth

    Try it yourself. Use one good banner with a nice design then use an ugly banner - people click on the ugly one more because it looks weird!
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    While checking my analytic's report I saw that 21 visitors came from the Warrior Forum, at first I was like what the hell, how did they find this site lol, until I came back (something I hadn't planned on doing) to check how, and or why people were coming to my site, now I know.

    I thought I had erased the links to my site, but Yukon (who I know would be willing to delete the link out of his post) and that other guy, who probably wouldn't, have my site's links displayed for all to see. Well this site, is the gallery style site I was talking about, I'm using 2 more sites like this and one review style site in a case study.

    Anyways check it out if you want, don't matter to me, I wont be around here for few months, I have a ton of work to get done, so good luck to all of you, hope you find success.


    As far as the topic of this thread is concern, I no longer care.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fernando1954
    If you want to see an ugly web site that makes money then take a look at CAR LEASING CHEAP LEASE CARS SALES CAR LEASING CHEAP CONTRACT HIRE DEALS

    Was featured in worlds worst web sites,it gets 100,000 unique visitors and leases £3.5 million of vehicles every month. She is one odd ball lady who makes plenty of money with a website that looks like her kids made.
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