NEW PENGUIN UPDATE COMING SOON!

14 years ago

when this pengium update is coming . and what should we do inorder to protect our websites. pengium only deals with the back links.

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tenantscreening

14 years ago

No not again I'm still recovering from last Penguin update.

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JSProjects

14 years ago

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Fantastic. Can't wait for every other thread being about the exact same thing. (How Penguin is ruining sites.)
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Just when the SEO section was starting to get back to normal.

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cooler1

14 years ago

Matt Cutts says he wants us to make amazing compelling websites that get links naturally and rise to the top, and I want to sleep with Britney Spears and walk on the moon.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by cooler1

Matt Cutts says he wants us to make amazing compelling websites that get links naturally and rise to the top, and I want to sleep with Britney Spears and walk on the moon.

Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.

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STLSEO

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.

Well excuse me. So sorry to anger u and ruin your day.

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MikeFriedman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by STLSEO

Well excuse me. So sorry to anger u and ruin your day.

Did you even look at what I was responding to? It clearly had nothing to do with you.
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- STLSEO 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  Did you even look at what I was responding to? It clearly had nothing to do with you.
  
  Oh my bad. That's the thing w/ internet convo. It's hard to fully grasp what one is implying.
  
  Sorry about that.
  
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Joel Young

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

I thought the same thing. I mean... wow...

Back on topic: It won't matter after December 21st anyway. :p

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.

You really need someone to be smart to have sex with, oh come on

Anyway, I'm pretty excited about what the new update has to bring. My services should be Penguin proof by now.

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paulgl 14 years ago

Oh yeah. Sea World is revamping their penguin exhibit.
It's going to be huge.

Why do people feel the need to give so-called SEO
Guru sites backlinks? And think the entire free
world should fall on their knees worshiping someone's
article...

But it should be huge. Any penguin update really needs
to unload the trash. This crappy SEO junk that keeps
making the rounds, perpetuating junk websites,
shmoozing google, really needs to go. 65% of
SEO people should be hit, because 65% of the SEO
are not SEO, but poison peddlers.

The truth? 99% of real SEO will not be hit. As
usual.

But then, people mix stuff up all the time. If you have
created a site just for some keyword that you found
in some research, you should go.

Luckily, the real world does not work on that premise.
People build websites on stuff they like. Already. And
are experts or have an interest in.

Real people, with real websites will not be hit. Does
anyone ever listen? Nope. They just go right on with:

I found a high paying keyword!
I got an EMD!
I installed WP!
I hired someone on fiverr for some great unique
content!
I can't wait for the money to flow!

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.

ROFL.....but does the girlfriend know about this thing for Hope Solo Mike?

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

ROFL.....but does the girlfriend know about this thing for Hope Solo Mike?

I'm still too angry to talk about it.

Not only is Britney Spears not attractive, but when she opens her mouth she makes the contestants in the Miss America Pageant all look like Harvard grads.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

I'm still too angry to talk about it.

Not only is Britney Spears not attractive, but when she opens her mouth she makes the contestants in the Miss America Pageant all look like Harvard grads.

LMAO!

What's the deal with Britney Spears pissing you off?

Your just messing with us, right?

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

LMAO!

What's the deal with Britney Spears pissing you off?

Your just messing with us, right?

No I sincerely hate Britney Spears. Cannot stand her.

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Ernie Lo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

No I sincerely hate Britney Spears. Cannot stand her.

How is she any worse/different than the rest of the Hollywood, fake, sell out, whore dressing, sex promoting, devil worshiping, actors disguised as musicians,.....pieces of trash? Woah that was a mouth full

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Ernie Lo

How is she any worse/different than the rest of the Hollywood, fake, sell out, whore dressing, sex promoting, devil worshiping, actors disguised as musicians,.....pieces of trash? Woah that was a mouth full

I never said she was the only one I hate.

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JSProjects

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Out of all the celebrities you could have put in there you went with Britney Spears? Really? Britney freaking Spears?

Not Angelino Jolie, Megan Fox, Hope Solo, Jessica Alba, Kate Beckinsale, or about 500 other celebrities I could think of that are more attractive, more intelligent, and have more talent than Britney Spears?

This might be the worst thing anyone has ever posted here. People have posted some stuff here that has angered me in the past, but not like this.

That is so random. Hope Solo?

Not that I disagree, but it's so awesomely random.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JSProjects

That is so random. Hope Solo?

Not that I disagree, but it's so awesomely random.

Don't make Mike Fool you. Though there may be a secret Star Wars fantasy in that pick, any one of these women meets his central requirements

https://www.google.com/search?num=10...ac.YBCM-3ysjR0
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MikeFriedman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by JSProjects

That is so random. Hope Solo?

Not that I disagree, but it's so awesomely random.

Actually, at the time, I was reading an article on ESPN about her new book.
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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Meh, bring it on. :rolleyes:

I know they won't target dynamic SEO (links/text), so bring it on.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Meh, bring it on. :rolleyes:

I know they won't target dynamic SEO (links/text), so bring it on.

Actually Matt said point blank during the same session that he couldn't see links going away any time soon as a major ranking factor.
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- dp40oz 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  Actually Matt said point blank during the same session that he couldn't see links going away any time soon as a major ranking factor.
  
  Thats the underlying thing with all of these updates. Googles entire core algorithm is based around links. Until that stops then not much has really changed. Also what people fail to understand is lets say 5 years down the road links aren't the core of the algorithm (which I highly doubt) then something else will be which may or may not be just as easy to manipulate.
  
  Links have proven to be a strong indicator of quality for over 10 years now and for Google to decide to go a different direction may open up a whole can of worms that they don't know about. It makes sense for them to keep the algorithm link based... They know it, they can partially control and police it and there are no big unknown surprises that may take years for them to figure out how to clean up.
  
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1byte

14 years ago

Yep, more upheaval to come in the SEO world. Matt Cutts posted a new comment on the thread here: Google's Next Penguin Update Will Be "Jarring & Jolting". Here's one thing Matt said that I think is really interesting about incorporating new signals:

"Likewise, we're still in the early stages of Penguin where the engineers are incorporating new signals and iterating to improve the algorithm. Because of that, expect that the next few Penguin updates will take longer, incorporate additional signals, and as a result will have more noticeable impact. It's not the case that people should just expect data refreshes for Penguin quite yet."

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dp40oz

14 years ago

Funny, from a Google user perspective we're closing in on 6 months since Penguin and Im still waiting for the SERP's to be better. I mean seriously Google handed out a lot of penguin penalties and I still need to get to the 3rd page to find the result I'm looking for half the time. These updates are change for the sake of change. I personally don't feel my search experience has been bettered at all by virtually any of them.

From an SEO perspective... ahh whatever. Unless they change the core of their algorithm (Page Rank) quality tactics will probably still work.

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Nicole K

14 years ago

It's high time for another update with a spate of brand new reports since Panda-Penguin reports have grown old...lol.

I do hope it has something good in store for those who follow good SEO practices read good content and best practices on their sites.

Today, even after some of Google's cute animals have gone by you can't get anything decent if you type in relevant keywords. Sales and landing pages selling false promises come up in the search results by the dozens. Blackhat sites feature on page one most of times higher than the Warrior Forum - is this how Google rewards honest forums?

Who said Google fixed things with their updates - when you look for information on several topics you get shopping sites on page one! Is that Google's idea of "unique content"!

I won't be surprised if Google comes up with their Amazon and Clickbank type shopping site - they won't have to do any SEO! Larry Page thinks he owns Page One to himself just because he has Page in his surname!

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kiliki

14 years ago

I saw some really strange movement yesterday on daily tracking that I do. I saw myself on page 1 and 2 for keyword phrases that I was 10 pages back the day before (almost non-existent). Other phrases that I hadn't budged on in months, took small drops and jumps as well. Site content hadn't changed, and I couldn't find anything else that could tell me why it happened. I was thinking there was an update that I hadn't heard of that just came out. With the news put out today, I think its possible I landed on a test server that might have the new algorithm. Still seeing strange results today though, so maybe some of the algorithms have already been implemented. Anyone else seeing MASSIVE SERP fluctuations too?

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kiliki

14 years ago

I wouldn't be so concerned about Panda and Penguin updates until I heard about Tim Carter's site (askthebuilder.com) getting hit hard. He was Google's poster boy for perfect white hat SEO and still got hit hard by it. My concern is that the perfect balance might not really exist or be figured out so we'll always have to dance to a new song when these updates happen. Even then you might not rank well if Google's algorithm is targeting something obscure you can't figure out.

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Ldimilo

14 years ago

The penguin update is going to be ongoing...so it really isn't news to me. Anyone who focuses exclusively on SEO as their only ad medium is absolutely out of their mind. SEO should be ongoing, sure. But it shouldn't trump brand building and traditional marketing strategies.

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Pravir

14 years ago

Google Penguin is going to deliver one more penguin .. a hard-working penguin which will make more money for google and destroy the small businesses. Despite introducing different creatures by google I didn't notice any improvement in search results .. lately Wikipedia has been washed away from the first page and ebay n amazon has occupied the coveted top positions...do you think that the Amazon or Ebay has better content then Wikipedia....I dont think so......

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Pravir

Google Penguin is going to deliver one more penguin .. a hard-working penguin which will make more money for google and destroy the small businesses. Despite introducing different creatures by google I didn't notice any improvement in search results .. lately Wikipedia has been washed away from the first page and ebay n amazon has occupied the coveted top positions...do you think that the Amazon or Ebay has better content then Wikipedia....I dont think so......

You got it. The last of the 'little guys' hanging on thinking they're immune will soon be washed away like everyone else. Google wants more money. It's not about quality. Anyone who believes the Penguin is for improving quality believes that Santa brings toys on Christmas morning

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kiliki

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

You got it. The last of the 'little guys' hanging on thinking they're immune will soon be washed away like everyone else. Google wants more money. It's not about quality. Anyone who believes the Penguin is for improving quality believes that Santa brings toys on Christmas morning

Love the Santa analogy! Me, "the little guy" who was not heavily affected by Panda and Penguin always stays on alert and works to diversify traffic strategies. Sadly, Google is still (and will probably be for a long time) the one we need to please for lots of free traffic. I guess moving to another niche is always an option...

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kiliki

Love the Santa analogy! Me, "the little guy" who was not heavily affected by Panda and Penguin always stays on alert and works to diversify traffic strategies. Sadly, Google is still (and will probably be for a long time) the one we need to please for lots of free traffic. I guess moving to another niche is always an option...

Even if you don't completely diversify, it's still a great idea to start spreading yourself around anywhere you can find traffic. Google has shown a real mean-spirited nature this year and I'm sure it's mainly to keep their revenues growing. They're no different than any other company in that sense. They have to keep their profits rising.

An easy way to do that is to 'redistribute' profitable traffic like they've been doing. Not only that, but they're producing a lot of their own content now and they compete directly in almost every niche these days. (hosting, domains, travel, etc etc). Heck, they just bought Frommer's travel guide!

This new Penguin is probably gonna really beat up on affiliates. Just keep your head down and diversify as much as you can before the tsunami hits.

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DaCheese

14 years ago

Sweet, Bring it!

When some sites tank because of Penguins or Pandas, others rise to replace the top spots..

So we should all be prepared to take the top spots when it happens.

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DNAWRealm

Banned 14 years ago

I'd assume that Google will specifically target SENuke, Scrapebox and other similiar software - because they know these tools are destroying legitimate websites.

Food for thought.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by DNAWRealm

I'd assume that Google will specifically target SENuke, Scrapebox and other similiar software - because they know these tools are destroying legitimate websites.

Food for thought.

No, they are worried about techniques that actually work.

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topdown

14 years ago

Looks like I'm gonna start few websites with different link building styles in order to have a slight idea what it affects this time

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zavhoz

14 years ago

it has killed my site

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

For the guys that think Google is killing SEO for the little man, one word, freshness. Learn it.

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kiliki

14 years ago

Is there any mention out in the SEO news world about when this update might happen? If not, does anyone have any guesses?

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MikeFriedman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by kiliki

Is there any mention out in the SEO news world about when this update might happen? If not, does anyone have any guesses?

I wouldn't worry about it too much. If Google is talking about it, that probably means it is too late for you to do anything about it.
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- kiliki 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman
  
  I wouldn't worry about it too much. If Google is talking about it, that probably means it is too late for you to do anything about it.
  
  hahaha... Good Point...
  Sometimes the updates help me or have no affect, but there are other sites I have that I hope start to jump up the ranks against competition I know had questionable SEO practices.
  
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crandallman77

14 years ago

Originally Posted by STLSEO

What are everyone's thoughts on this:

Fingers crossed that my blog backlinks are safe

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remodeler

14 years ago

On the bright side...This will open the door to a fresh new round of WSO sellers promoting ways to work around this newest update and get back your rankings for those crappy 3 page spun content niche sites. Get in now before the price goes up!

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The Oilman

14 years ago

Wow go to Alexa.. and type in Google and then Bing.

Google goes down, Bing goes up.

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Cade21 14 years ago

Back on topic: It won't matter after December 21st anyway.

What a crack-up. No kidding. Why worry about a Penguin update when we need to be hoarding supplies for the zombie apocalypse?

Hopefully, I can find a Britney Spears poster for my shelter...
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TolyZ

14 years ago

I'm pretty sure Google will be dead after few Penguin updates.

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JonVinci 14 years ago

As I said in a similar thread, I feel like this is really opening up the door for Social Media sites. If you can't trust google, then who can you trust? Well, hopefully you can trust the collective human network on these sites. In fact, I believe there's a few up and coming media sites that should start to be looked at more carefully for building up a target audience to drive more traffic...
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- JoshN 14 years ago
  
  I wouldn't worry about it too much... I really am starting to believe that Google defaults to spreading FUD because its much easier than actually trying to stop SEO professionals.
  
  Yes people will get knocked off with this upcoming update... I'm curious to see if it knocks off my UAW sites and wprobot sites which have prospered long past any "expert" on here said they should.
  
  If they dissapear.. I'm ok with it as I assumed they'd be dead long ago, but they seem to do better than my quote on quote legit sites.
  
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  but they seem to do better than my quote on quote legit sites.
  
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Oranges

14 years ago

ROFL! Watchout for Flippa listings.
Serious symptoms and side effects of G updates can be diagnosed at Flippa.

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MaryPabelate

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Oranges

ROFL! Watchout for Flippa listings.
Serious symptoms and side effects of G updates can be diagnosed at Flippa.

Can you please explain more, G and Flippa?

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Elle Holder

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MaryPabelate

Can you please explain more, G and Flippa?

You'll be able to diagnose what Google targeted by checking out all the sites people are trying to unload on Flippa.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Ya'll going to give yourself a heart attack. I'm more worried about Mike's Britney Spears rant. There were reports this morning of a a guy with a shotgun in his lap weaving in and out of traffic heading to Cali that fits his description. Worse the sticker on the bumper said

"You are next Cutts"

So it was a positive ID for Mike. If they put up a skycam I will update.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Ya'll going to give yourself a heart attack. I'm more worried about Mike's Britney Spears rant. There were reports this morning of a a guy with a shotgun in his lap weaving in and out of traffic heading to Cali that fits his description. Worse the sticker on the bumper said

"You are next Cutts"

So it was a positive ID for Mike. If they put up a skycam I will update.

This post was funnier than a episode of family guy.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Ya'll going to give yourself a heart attack. I'm more worried about Mike's Britney Spears rant. There were reports this morning of a a guy with a shotgun in his lap weaving in and out of traffic heading to Cali that fits his description. Worse the sticker on the bumper said

"You are next Cutts"

So it was a positive ID for Mike. If they put up a skycam I will update.

LMAO!

Indeed you are right, Google is becoming less important..but the thing with Britney..huh

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rajivwebads 14 years ago

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david4weaver

14 years ago

lets wait for the changes

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14 years ago

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aadi144

14 years ago

I hope everything will be fine after this update,But the way MATT CUTT has said about this update,i think it will create a huge makeover of SEO world.

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TolyZ

14 years ago

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GeorgR.

14 years ago

Whatever the changes will be, i am afraid it won't be positive. I am not saying this to be fear mongering - simply based on past experiences. It will be harder for the "small" webmaster to rank, it will be harder as an affiliate marketer etc.etc. At some point, the only way to rank will be to establish super-authority sites with minimal monetization (EXCEPT adsense, of course) - the web is undergoing a trend right now i don't like (eg. in certain health niches)...where top pages in Google are dominated SOLELY by .gov/.edu etc.etc. sites...almost as if the web regresses back to the days when the web was still new and consisted mainly of pages from educational institutions. In other words: Google results (at least for some niches) have become very boring.

Google wants to drive the common webmaster to Adwords as the sole way to increase traffic, making SEO more or less impossible on a broad scale. This is their ultimate goal, of course. There is nothing good about this.

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nik0

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Whatever the changes will be, i am afraid it won't be positive. I am not saying this to be fear mongering - simply based on past experiences. It will be harder for the "small" webmaster to rank, it will be harder as an affiliate marketer etc.etc. At some point, the only way to rank will be to establish super-authority sites with minimal monetization (EXCEPT adsense, of course) - the web is undergoing a trend right now i don't like (eg. in certain health niches)...where top pages in Google are dominated SOLELY by .gov/.edu etc.etc. sites...almost as if the web regresses back to the days when the web was still new and consisted mainly of pages from educational institutions. In other words: Google results (at least for some niches) have become very boring.

Google wants to drive the common webmaster to Adwords as the sole way to increase traffic, making SEO more or less impossible on a broad scale. This is their ultimate goal, of course. There is nothing good about this.

Well IM'ers/marketeers have nothing to do in certain health/medical niches anyway so if I have a health issue I rather see my answer on a gov/edu site then at some crappy affiliate site that praises some "magical" solution to my problems.

Having a large amount of affiliate links on a webpage is now already stopping sites from ranking well, same as sites with poor content.

You definitely do not need a super authority site to rank well, I hear more and more succes stories from people who setup sites with just 8-9 pages and who are very successfull with that with tons of traffic. A little extra bit of content does wonders.

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mileagedriver

14 years ago

After this penguin update.. google will be Google Ad network....

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Neville Pettersson

14 years ago

Just wish they would f**king do it already!

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yukon Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Neville Pettersson

Just wish they would f**king do it already!

Best answer, lol!
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dviraz

14 years ago

let the game begin, horror stories in - 1, 2, 3 ...

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lonfore

Banned 14 years ago

I know why Mike Friedman is angry about Briteny! As far as I know he is refused 3 times by Britny. (loves) (loves) (loves)

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MikeFriedman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by lonfore

I know why Mike Friedman is angry about Briteny! As far as I know he is refused 3 times by Britny. (loves) (loves) (loves)

Sorry, but white trash, no talent assclowns are not my thing.
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chmae73

14 years ago

oh my god penguin update again.

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