(Ranked 1st) Proof Penguin Has NOTHING To Do With Quality Content

by Becker13 Banned
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Seriously...it just pissed me off to know end seeing people on here saying crap like

"just ad more quality content'

"Build manual quality links"

Seriously, my site right here (D Drol) is ranked 1st for its product keyword (D drol) with nothing but blog comments, spammed 2.0s, social signals, and wiki links.


It isn't about quality at all. This site is totally empty except for the core basics of on page SEO.
  • Vary your anchor text big time
  • Get your on page right
  • Stop writing 1000 word articles and wasting your time
  • Build links through proxies and spin the right way

The end. Stop the mental masturbation.... This site is beating out tons of pages of pure quality..How is it doing this if all penguin cares about is quality

I am aware that this is not the largest search (1600 exact) or the most competitive...But it truly is this simple for this site and my larger sites (many getting 500-1000 a day)

So...yeah...please keep your quality content BS to yourself. This is live proof that Google has made very little effort to reward quality and actually rewards pure crap...

You are leading people in the wrong direction...And you are not good at SEO...It is crap like this that is leading newbies to spend 8 hours a day writing content and building links.

I make over 5 figures a month from SEO and this is what works (I also only spend about 20 minutes a day managing my SEO programs)..Sorry to burst the hippy quality content bubble.

Good day!
#1st #content #penguin #proof #quality #ranked
  • Profile picture of the author Wade32
    So are you saying that we should all stop writing quality content? It seems as though you are against it...

    You are the first person to admit that they have spammed sites, comments, etc. lol!

    Hey if you can get away with it, more power to ya...but I don't think you will. Just my opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author kdbbdl
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    hmm, ididnt know about that
    i'll try with one blog and tell you the results
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Originally Posted by MikeWike View Post

      Another update and all your sites are flushed down the toilet. Yeah, those sites might work short-term (your site is less than 2 months old). If this site stays at top for the end of the year, I will give you a cookie.

      E: Just checked your backlinks, you got under 50 indexed backlinks. How come it's spammy? Your competition is just extremely low..
      Below is the traffic for one of my SEO sites (collegeflirt.net). Gaw good thing my ideas about SEO traffic don't work =P

      Thanks for the advice though Mike! I am sure you know much better what works long term...oh wait

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    • Profile picture of the author Austin E Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeWike View Post

      Another update and all your sites are flushed down the toilet. Yeah, those sites might work short-term (your site is less than 2 months old). If this site stays at top for the end of the year, I will give you a cookie.

      E: Just checked your backlinks, you got under 50 indexed backlinks. How come it's spammy? Your competition is just extremely low..
      I will second that. What your doing might work for a short term but its not going to last because Google does value quality content as well as backlinks. Now that you have achieved that top ranking, add more quality content to keep it there.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Thread title makes no sense. Penguin was never about content. Spam links will get your sites killed sooner or later, so what's the point?

    If you are going to build websites and monetize them - do it right. Learn what works long term (yes we're all constantly learning and that's awesome) and try to improve/adapt every time Google shoots you down. Keep going and at some point you'll end up with a portfolio of strong sites that don't need to fear random algorithm updates.

    If you're going to spam - think sort term, automate everything and go after high paying offers/niches and scale like CRAZY. Don't come back and complain when your sites go down.

    And yeah that site you link to proves nothing. I can rank for 1600 exact phrases (that have no real competition) with 5-10 good backlinks and good on-page. Means nothing.

    edit: why so angry? I'm angry because your OP is angry lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post


      edit: why so angry? I'm angry because your OP is angry lol.
      I doubt he is really angry. Its a promotional post. You can tell that by his income CLAIM when no one asked. He wants to create a case scenario that will convince the newbies that his backlinking techniques which are probably being rightfully questioned by customers and prospective customers still works.

      All the tell tale signs are there - the aformentioned income claims, outing his supposedly fantastic niche (anybody ever does that for a real money site?) and the tirade to position himself as the maverick against other SEOs.

      All so obvious. Clearly the site has more value to him to point out than it does any income it is bringing in ( he will of course claim otherwise) or he would have kept it off a widely copied Internet marketing forum.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

    The end. Stop the mental masturbation.... This site is beating out tons of pages of pure quality..So...yeah...please keep your quality content BS to yourself. This is live proof that Google has made very little effort to reward quality and actually rewards pure crap...
    ROFL (we seriously need a laughing animated smilie on this board)

    You want a reward for ranking for a term that gets 880 searches (LOCAL AND BROAD), is sold as an anabolic steroid and is ILLEGAL . lol . Heres a write up on what you are pimping?

    D-Drol Review - Info You MUST Know - BUY LEGAL STEROIDS | Andro Cycles - Androstenedione Information and Effects

    highlights?

    D-Drol is no longer legal to own or sell in the US so you will have a hard time finding it.
    the reviewer is into steroids but writes this

    This product is likely to have quite a few side effects, since it is a mix of very potent steroids. Anything with the 17aMethyl delivery system is going to cause liver stress in those susceptible to liver issues or people who drink, use drugs or over the counter pain medications. It is probably going to have some issues with hairloss, since the steroids are very androgenic.
    Umm getting an idea why there is not any quality competition for this term? Is it sinking in yet? Are you getting the truth? CAN YOU HANDLE THE TRUTH? lol (hard to do a Jack Nicholson impression in words)


    By the way what quality are you talking about that you are outranking? This at no 2-

    fitFLEX.com - 4Ever Fit D-Drol Reviews - Testosterone Booster D-Drol

    It has a blurb and comments which again has people confirming that the FDA banned it.

    I ask again is it sinking in why you have no competition yet?

    and this at number 4? same little blurb plus comments

    D-Drol Reviews: 7/10 (4Ever Fit) - SupplementReviews.com

    Nope no quality contant and no one else in the world gunning to sell a dangerous illegal product.

    Good night you have a youtube video ranking that has 254 views Including mine LOL. My grandma snoring - in total darkness - would get 400. If you call that competition and quality you do not know the first thing about SEO.

    So...yeah...please keep your quality content BS to yourself. This is live proof that Google has made very little effort to reward quality and actually rewards pure crap...
    Nope its live proof that some people will do anything and sell anything for a buck even banned and illegal substances. You have BEYOND WEAK competition. From what I can see no one in the entire world is tryng to rank for this illegal substance. The sites on the first page prove it.
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  • Profile picture of the author SwedishDemocracy
    D Drol is a pretty low-competition keyword, though. Anyone can easily spam their way to #1 with a niche keyword like this, but I doubt it would work with larger, more competitive keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author brainfreeze0
      Originally Posted by SwedishDemocracy View Post

      D Drol is a pretty low-competition keyword, though. Anyone can easily spam their way to #1 with a niche keyword like this, but I doubt it would work with larger, more competitive keywords.
      Exactly what I was thinking. It's not like you're competing for Motorola Android here. It would be no different then using the same strategy for optimizing "Pink dragons eat colorful butterflies".
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  • Profile picture of the author Oranges
    "Build links through proxies and spin the right way" - ROFL!
    @OP - Calm down, rank a competitive keyword with your fairytale theory...come back and make a new thread about "........errrrrr How do you rank post Panda and Penguin?"
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    One last thing (yeah like thts going to happen)

    FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY LEARN TO USED ADWORD KEYWORD TOOL PROPERLY.

    the term has 1300 global exacts and only 140 in the US with drum roll - 12 in Britain.
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    • Profile picture of the author SwedishDemocracy
      Wow, 12 searches?! That's a tough term to rank for
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    You know how they call people like you Becker? An attention <fill in yourself>

    Last time you also made such weird post that people shouldn't build back links or perhaps crappy back links and now you start to promote it.

    This time only to promote your crappy back link service most probably.

    And yes, spam does rank when you vary your anchor widely and in a smart way, I've seen people rank for insane tough keywords with TONS of spam links. Question is for how long. This stuff never lasts.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
        Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

        For example, please take a look of this website.
        Ahrefs: http://www.southwest-promo-code.com/ - SEO Overview

        He ranked #9 for a keyword called Southwest Airlines Promo Code, a monthly local exact search of 33k.

        Nik, did you meant him? The owner is crappy...
        Bro they're all sitewide links from like 50 domains. Not the same as a bunch of shitty AA blog comments and weak web2.0's. Plus, that site will tank sooner or later (if it hasn't already - CBA logging into ahrefs lol).

        edit: plus you got your search numbers wrong. Among other things. I'm going to watch theee big bang theory now. Have a good evening peoples.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

        Gaw good thing my ideas about SEO traffic don't work =P

        Thanks for the advice though Mike! I am sure you know much better what works long term...oh wait
        Seriously? you go from a #1 site that can only muster 12 searches out of Britain to a number 10 that can barely hang on to at thousand visits (and the first page) as your two shining examples of how great you SEO is and how everyone else has it wrong? Really?



        Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

        For example, please take a look of this website.
        Ahrefs: http://www.southwest-promo-code.com/ - SEO Overview

        He ranked #9 for a keyword called Southwest Airlines Promo Code, a monthly local exact search of 33k.

        Nik, did you meant him? The owner is crappy...
        Its 18,000 from what I see and the site has content. Not my favorite site to look at but it has three pages of content. doesn't help out the op at all.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by Mr Lim View Post

        For example, please take a look of this website.
        Ahrefs: http://www.southwest-promo-code.com/ - SEO Overview

        He ranked #9 for a keyword called Southwest Airlines Promo Code, a monthly local exact search of 33k.

        Nik, did you meant him? The owner is crappy...
        No I mean someone who ranked for a competitive keyword

        "car insurance quotes"

        No kidding, he had 1 million+ Xrumer links from about any type of forum that you can imagine as well as hundreds of thousands of blog comments. Okay he didn't rank at page 1 but instead at #12, which is still very impressive for such keyword, he did rank at page 1 for tons of others of tough stuff btw.

        What was interesting about his back link profile is that he had a great ratio of low pr vs high pr links, like the perfect pyramid shape ratio, few PR5 on the top and wider all the way down. Funny enough all the PR1+ links were ordinary blog comments at pages with 500+ comments.

        He didn't use anchor txt, only the bare url, instead of putting his keyword in the link as anchor, he put the kw next to the hyperlink.
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  • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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    Your forgetting to include the foreign RDI indicator
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  • Profile picture of the author WarGasm
    I think the point he's trying to make is how he has absolutely zero content whatsoever and hes still outranking other sites. He's not saying this is the ticket to getting rich it just shows google really has no idea whether your content is any good or not.

    Just sayin...
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  • Profile picture of the author HostWind
    It may be a small keyword but I will agree that the point Im receiving is that a page with no content ranked over something with content. I would personally chalk it down to, that while SEO is a mix of content and keywords, that the other pages were weak in keywords and his page received favor for relevance.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by HostWind View Post

      It may be a small keyword but I will agree that the point Im receiving is that a page with no content ranked over something with content.

      You are receiving nonsense. The only point that can be made is that you can rank for a term if no one else wants it. I see this silliness in Internetmarketing all the time. People point to some small obscure result on some meaningless ( in this case illegal) term and make various claims to having learnt something..

      Fact is Google is a business. They do not design their algo to make sure timmy the grandson of Screech in Britain as one of the twelve people that will search for that term this month can find the best site on a particular illegal anabolic steroid. They are interested in making sure that what the masses search for they find. So of course for some obscure search you are going to see things in ranking that do not hold for serps where there is meaningful content put up by people with an interest in that particular field. When comparing garbage against garbage its harder to tell which one smells the least.

      That site was put up to show a ranking and make claims. Notice its selling a product and gives you no way to buy it. That tells you everything you need to know of how weak the site is -

      The OP isn't even trying right now to do anything with the 12 searches out of Britain
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Lol ,what's wrong with this forum?
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    • Profile picture of the author mosthost
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Lol ,what's wrong with this forum?
      This is what happens when people are allowed to claim five figure incomes and they don't have to offer proof. It's a forum culture problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by MatthewWoodward View Post

        Someone give that man a pat on the back!

        The amount of baseless crap I see posted on forums time and time again is absolutely ridicolous.
        In the middle of an Anti establishment rant there are some words if you use you should spell right or they just come off being extra ignorant.

        People claiming that x,y and z doesn't work anymore which is based on their own 'theory' and not actual data or tests that they have done.
        Pure crap. The hundreds of thousands of unnatural link notices people got beats any internal test you claim to have run. its a proven fact that certain activities and link patterns are no longer good. the only people not accepting that are sellers of such services, people as stubborn as mules and people so lazy they believe it hasn't because they just don't want to do anymore work besides clicking buttons (most fall into the first and third category)

        <insert software name> got me banned
        Mostly Senuke users because its a seething expensive mass of garbage that you can spin any which way you want but still has had horrible link opportunities. I rarely see that from any other software (well greedy scrapebox users some too)

        How many of you actually setup and run websites specifically for testing link building techniques? I have a main link building process as well as 5 test proccesses that I use on other sites.
        Oh please. countless of us run all kinds of tests. I am about to launch a site dedicated only to reporting on tests.

        but everything that worked 3 years ago, still works now.
        I think I have found my winning quote for the most ridiculous pile of nonsense ever to be posted on this forum.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

        This is what happens when people are allowed to claim five figure incomes and they don't have to offer proof. It's a forum culture problem.
        We disagree on a ton of stuff but that right there was a dead bullseye of a post.


        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        Lol ,what's wrong with this forum?
        Don't worry Yuke. I am convinced it is all a strategy to get me running as far as I can from this forum holding my ears and screaming. After I am gone I am sure it will return to its usually level of insanity and not maintain this twilight zone intensity of silliness.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

    Seriously...it just pissed me off to know end seeing people on here saying crap like

    "just ad more quality content'

    "Build manual quality links"

    Seriously, my site right here (D Drol) is ranked 1st for its product keyword (D drol) with nothing but blog comments, spammed 2.0s, social signals, and wiki links.


    It isn't about quality at all. This site is totally empty except for the core basics of on page SEO.
    • Vary your anchor text big time
    • Get your on page right
    • Stop writing 1000 word articles and wasting your time
    • Build links through proxies and spin the right way

    The end. Stop the mental masturbation.... This site is beating out tons of pages of pure quality..How is it doing this if all penguin cares about is quality

    I am aware that this is not the largest search (1600 exact) or the most competitive...But it truly is this simple for this site and my larger sites (many getting 500-1000 a day)

    So...yeah...please keep your quality content BS to yourself. This is live proof that Google has made very little effort to reward quality and actually rewards pure crap...

    You are leading people in the wrong direction...And you are not good at SEO...It is crap like this that is leading newbies to spend 8 hours a day writing content and building links.

    I make over 5 figures a month from SEO and this is what works (I also only spend about 20 minutes a day managing my SEO programs)..Sorry to burst the hippy quality content bubble.

    Good day!
    Someone give that man a pat on the back!

    The amount of baseless crap I see posted on forums time and time again is absolutely ridicolous.

    People claiming that x,y and z doesn't work anymore which is based on their own 'theory' and not actual data or tests that they have done.

    These types of people also say things like-

    spun content gets you banned
    <insert software name> got me banned
    you should do guest posts (every noob and his dog is on that bandwagon at the moment)

    How many of you actually setup and run websites specifically for testing link building techniques? I have a main link building process as well as 5 test proccesses that I use on other sites.

    When an update comes I get a bag of winners and a bag of losers and with my own statistial analysis identify the cause and adjust accordingly.

    What I dont do is run to a forum with no real idea of why I was hit, claim it was some softwares fault, make crazy accusation like spun content doesn't work anymore and other senseless shit like that.

    Nothing has changed in the SEO world for years, there have been a few tweaks to catch out duplicate content and over optimised sites/link profiles but everything that worked 3 years ago, still works now.

    But you wouldn't know that if you rely on forums to find out what works.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
    I'm sure some of you guys rank sites and do well with pretty content and "high value" user experience.

    But I'm with Matthew and Becker on this one.

    Pumping crap out works. Pure and simple. Tell me tell me, have you ever looked at the backlinks profiles of all those spammy one page sites ranking for "payday loans" TODAY?

    Now, it's true, these sites get caught out. But if you have a system down for making a site in minutes, and ranking a site for terms like that in 2 weeks...

    Do you really care if you only rank for 2-20 days?

    The difference is, spam works for disposable sites. It doesn't work for authority sites (not safely anyway), or long term projects like clients etc.

    But since we're never safe from Google, no matter how white you think your hat is, I've been going with disposable sites, and lots of lovely spam.

    I don't sell PPP, or anything illegal so I sleep fine at night knowing I'm abusing Google's hard work. I sleep grrreat!
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    • Profile picture of the author ilee
      Originally Posted by Michael Carlin View Post

      I'm sure some of you guys rank sites and do well with pretty content and "high value" user experience.

      But I'm with Matthew and Becker on this one.

      Pumping crap out works. Pure and simple. Tell me tell me, have you ever looked at the backlinks profiles of all those spammy one page sites ranking for "payday loans" TODAY?

      Now, it's true, these sites get caught out. But if you have a system down for making a site in minutes, and ranking a site for terms like that in 2 weeks...

      Do you really care if you only rank for 2-20 days?

      The difference is, spam works for disposable sites. It doesn't work for authority sites (not safely anyway), or long term projects like clients etc.

      But since we're never safe from Google, no matter how white you think your hat is, I've been going with disposable sites, and lots of lovely spam.

      I don't sell PPP, or anything illegal so I sleep fine at night knowing I'm abusing Google's hard work. I sleep grrreat!
      I guess each to their own but surely its worth putting in that extra bit of effort so that it lasts longer... keyword research, domain registration, content (however rubbish) will all still take time and money. Why not invest a little bit more for something that'll last?
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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        I'm always amazed how people read posts. I read nowhere that he urged you to post crap. He's showing that so many of the theories spouted off here are just that. His point seemed clear enough to me. BTW he's not the only one saying you don't need 1,000 - 2,000 words of quality content to rank.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Carl Brown View Post

          I'm always amazed how people read posts. I read nowhere that he urged you to post crap. He's showing that so many of the theories spouted off here are just that. His point seemed clear enough to me. BTW he's not the only one saying you don't need 1,000 - 2,000 words of quality content to rank.
          You are amazed? I am amazed how people can't read posts

          Seriously, my site right here (D Drol) is ranked 1st for its product keyword (D drol) with nothing but blog comments, spammed 2.0s, social signals, and wiki links.
          It isn't about quality at all. This site is totally empty except for the core basics of on page SEO.
          Vary your anchor text big time
          Get your on page right
          Stop writing 1000 word articles and wasting your time
          Build links through proxies and spin the right way
          Which part of the bolded statements are you having problems with ?

          Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

          Why not invest a little bit more for something that'll last?
          If it aint clicking scrapebox, Senuke or some other software its just toooo hard.
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          • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Mmm talking down to everyone is the only thing I look forward to. ...I DISAGREE WITH EVERYONE REGARDLESS OF WHAT THEY SAY...OMG THIS IS WHAT IT FEELS LIKE TO BE IMPORTANT
            Dude I know right?! Now you know why I post!
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Carlin View Post

      I'm sure some of you guys rank sites and do well with pretty content and "high value" user experience.

      But I'm with Matthew and Becker on this one.

      Pumping crap out works. Pure and simple
      Mike no one who has read your ideas of how to buy junk on godaddy and put into your network will be surprised at you thinking that. Like I said plenty sellers think that way cause it suits their product or service and yeah you have a product that you openly tell people to Spam spam spam with too so how could you not say that?

      Tell me tell me, have you ever looked at the backlinks profiles of all those spammy one page sites ranking for "payday loans" TODAY?
      Have you? Apparently you haven't and are just blowing smoke. Ranking? Where? Not in my data center. Lets look

      So

      #1 Wikipedia - yeah junk site
      #2 Good site from people who have been in the industry awhile good content and definitely more than one page.
      #3 Advance america - Again a leader in this field with several branch offices and a very corporate and solid site in terms of content

      What follows in that serp is local listings which makes sense and is solid given where people gt most payday loans

      way down after that at #4 is Payday loan consumer information with looks like at least a hundred pages of very pertinent content

      #5 a very handy review with lots of data from topten reviews
      #6 some solly little site run by something called the FTC
      #7 My Pay loan again with lots of content
      #8 Next is moneytree one of another of the leaders in this field with a corporate site with tons of content.

      We re WAAAAAY down on the page (because of local results and not a SINGLE SOLITARY ONE PAGE SITE YET.

      #9 the one truly odd result but google has flagged it as being compromised so who knows what was there before. but then even that isn't a one page site.

      So there we have it. The first page is done and not a thing you said held out.

      Now, it's true, these sites get caught out. But if you have a system down for making a site in minutes, and ranking a site for terms like that in 2 weeks...
      Pure nonsense. not only are they not on the page ranking but you now have ranking as a two week venture. Sheesh way to junk up these boards

      Do you really care if you only rank for 2-20 days?
      Um yeah I do because
      A) page two aint ranking and not much traffic
      B) 2 days and not longer is a loser mentality. why should anyone not want to stay there and choose the strategy that keeps them there unless you are talking saying that spam links work better than in contextual links or they cannot be had.
      C) by the time you factor in that even the number one slot doesn;t get all the traffic and you add in conversion rates on the second page you got pennies.

      Like I have said before right now between the link spammers and guys junking up the board with nonsense they haven't even researched no one can learn SEO on this board. Its like the wild wild west only no one knows how to shoot those shiny silver things in their holster
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Mike no one who has read your ideas of how to buy junk on godaddy and put into your network will be surprised at you thinking that. Like I said plenty sellers think that way cause it suits their product or service and yeah you have a product that you openly tell people to Spam spam spam with too so how could you not say that?



        Have you? Apparently you haven't and are just blowing smoke. Ranking? Where? Not in my data center. Lets look

        So

        #1 Wikipedia - yeah junk site
        #2 Good site from people who have been in the industry awhile good content and definitely more than one page.
        #3 Advance america - Again a leader in this field with several branch offices and a very corporate and solid site in terms of content

        What follows in that serp is local listings which makes sense and is solid given where people gt most payday loans

        way down after that at #4 is Payday loan consumer information with looks like at least a hundred pages of very pertinent content

        #5 a very handy review with lots of data from topten reviews
        #6 some solly little site run by something called the FTC
        #7 My Pay loan again with lots of content
        #8 Next is moneytree one of another of the leaders in this field with a corporate site with tons of content.

        We re WAAAAAY down on the page (because of local results and not a SINGLE SOLITARY ONE PAGE SITE YET.

        #9 the one truly odd result but google has flagged it as being compromised so who knows what was there before. but then even that isn't a one page site.

        So there we have it. The first page is done and not a thing you said held out.



        Pure nonsense. not only are they not on the page ranking but you now have ranking as a two week venture. Sheesh way to junk up these boards



        Um yeah I do because
        A) page two aint ranking and not much traffic
        B) 2 days and not longer is a loser mentality. why should anyone not want to stay there and choose the strategy that keeps them there unless you are talking saying that spam links work better than in contextual links or they cannot be had.
        C) by the time you factor in that even the number one slot doesn;t get all the traffic and you add in conversion rates on the second page you got pennies.

        Like I have said before right now between the link spammers and guys junking up the board with nonsense they haven't even researched no one can learn SEO on this board. Its like the wild wild west only no one knows how to shoot those shiny silver things in their holster
        And I was so sure you would agree with me! :p



        hxxp://payday-4vip-vrot.co.uk/

        That's above the fold (even with adblocker off), and there are others too that fit the profile, but this one SCREAMS "pump-n-dump" SEO, which definitely works. Yes, it's a UK SERP, but the UK is the second English speaking market with 45 million people connected to the internet regularly.

        payday-4vip-vrot.co.uk Whois - payday -4vip-vrot - Who.is

        This site IS LESS THAN ONE WEEK OLD. Now tell me again that this stuff doesn't work.

        Check out hrefs:

        https://ahrefs.com/site-explorer/ove...vip-vrot.co.uk

        See that? NOTHING! Lol, no link profiles, you can try other tools, you'll find some stuff but only a tiny fraction.

        These guys (and I do this too, but I'm not good enough for payday yet) hit these sites hard and fast.

        Google so clever blah blah high quality blah blah spam is bad blah blah.

        It's 2012, they still haven't cracked it yet!
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    • Profile picture of the author pdrs
      Originally Posted by Michael Carlin View Post

      Pumping crap out works. Pure and simple. Tell me tell me, have you ever looked at the backlinks profiles of all those spammy one page sites ranking for "payday loans" TODAY?
      To me, everyone who keeps banging on this sounds like a bunch of addicts who refuse to admit they have a problem.

      Yes it works, in the same way that pumping coke up your nose makes you happy - You might feel great for a bit, but everyone else around you is sick of your shit and eventually you're just gonna end up broke and tired or in jail.

      Stop kidding yourselves folks - can you spam the crap out of something and enjoy some temporary bucks - sure, but why waste your time? You're obviously smarter than the average bear if you've figured out any of this IM stuff at all - use your brain, make something worthwhile, and profit long-term.

      It's not rocket science!
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

        To me, everyone who keeps banging on this sounds like a bunch of addicts who refuse to admit they have a problem.

        Yes it works, in the same way that pumping coke up your nose makes you happy - You might feel great for a bit, but everyone else around you is sick of your shit and eventually you're just gonna end up broke and tired or in jail.

        Stop kidding yourselves folks - can you spam the crap out of something and enjoy some temporary bucks - sure, but why waste your time? You're obviously smarter than the average bear if you've figured out any of this IM stuff at all - use your brain, make something worthwhile, and profit long-term.

        It's not rocket science!
        It's too much work for the shortcut-taking, button-pushing magic ranking brigade.

        The reality is, it's a philosophical decision. Webspam is not illegal (except in Google's mind), so it's completely understandable people will do it.

        That said, it's easy to understand the point. Even 'white hat' sites aren't guaranteed high rankings for ever, so some people choose to just do the throwaway sites. It really comes down to personal preference.
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        • Profile picture of the author pdrs
          Originally Posted by mosthost View Post

          It's too much work for the shortcut-taking, button-pushing magic ranking brigade.

          The reality is, it's a philosophical decision. Webspam is not illegal (except in Google's mind), so it's completely understandable people will do it.

          That said, it's easy to understand the point. Even 'white hat' sites aren't guaranteed high rankings for ever, so some people choose to just do the throwaway sites. It really comes down to personal preference.
          Indeed - getting out of the "I need Google for my traffic" mindset has to come first
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          • Profile picture of the author mosthost
            Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

            Indeed - getting out of the "I need Google for my traffic" mindset has to come first
            You got it. If your whole 'business' is completely dependent on Google traffic, you're going to end up thinking about spamming Google

            There really is no way around it.

            Google themselves should take a lot of the blame for creating some of this monster. They're the ones that let everyone slap up Adsense code on crappy websites and build lame backlinks for easy rankings.

            Now that they're busting down, quality really matters. When all is said and done, being reliant on Google for a free lunch is a ridiculous concept
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by pdrs View Post

        Yes it works, in the same way that pumping coke up your nose makes you happy - You might feel great for a bit, but everyone else around you is sick of your shit and eventually you're just gonna end up broke and tired or in jail.

        Stop kidding yourselves folks - can you spam the crap out of something and enjoy some temporary bucks - sure, but why waste your time? You're obviously smarter than the average bear if you've figured out any of this IM stuff at all - use your brain, make something worthwhile, and profit long-term.

        It's not rocket science!
        What this guy said!
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    He is not the only one saying that indeed but 1000 - 2000 words of quality content full of LSI kw's makes the job a lot easier. Especially if you're looking into long term results it's a great help to reduce costs.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxi1998
    I'm very sure that quality content is very important and a major positive way to get ranked in google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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      Lol....look guys I am all about quality content for a site. Seriously, I am professional blogger and its one of the keys to growing a big ass blog...(One of my biggest blogs has ZERO SEO)

      But quality content has nothing to do with ranking well in Google....Like at all.

      The site I posted....Durrr its a low comp low traffic keyword. The site gets about 30 visits a day though, and would be HELLA easy to monetize if you just linked to D Drol on BB.com

      Thats not the point though. The point is I ranked PURE CRAP in Google with PURE CRAP backlinking.

      If penguin were here to enforce "quality content" and "high quality backlinking" my site would not be there period.

      And I have done this with much bigger keywords

      Which is why it is so frusterating to see people who have no clue what the F is going on preaching "QUALITY CONTENT OMFG PENGUIN DEMANDS PERFECTION"

      Penguin was a win for black hat SEO...Hate to break it to you.

      No I am not going to rank for "Credit repair"..But that is not what niche site SEO is about. Its about choosing the right keywords..

      And when you have the right keywords...Crap content and good ol black hat links still do a hell of a job

      And there has been NOTHING done to my websites to prove me wrong

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

        l.

        The site I posted....Durrr its a low comp low traffic keyword. The site gets about 30 visits a day though, and would be HELLA easy to monetize if you just linked to D Drol on BB.com
        The facts on your proof site have been blown sky high. You can and will spin it of course . we know that.

        However theres nothing you can do about it. Your next best was to show a site that can barely hold a thousand visits at position ten with links to some other sites at the footer which are not ranking for their target at all.

        Look believe what you want, do what you want and try and sell what you want but when you try and blast up the board and call everyone out with that sorry site and example no one need believe a word you say. If you had better you would have come with it. It just failed by any standard of rationality.

        Its done less often now but its an old old strategy you are trying to float Beck.. There was a time when people selling that eating strawberry ice cream would make you rank chose a weak as dirt Serp where google could only arrange the garbage as best they could and then point and say

        "see I ranked number one by eating strawberry ice cream. Heres when I started eating strawberry ice cream and here at number one is where my site ranked after only 5 days. The guys eating chocolate can't rank half as fast as I can and when we added our secret syrup on top we ranked another site in 48 hours"

        Look I'll put the same challenge I have always put out and none of ya'll spammers have ever been able to collect. Show me a competitive serp where your garbage links are ranking a site all by their lonesome and I'll send a $100 over to your Paypal addy. You did the worse with some illegal anabolic steroid gets 12 searches in Britain and not much of anything anywhere serp. Its all baloney. At least with the strawberry ice cream theory you get to eat some nice dessert every day.

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        LOL.....Maybe you should have tried that line in another thread cause its really funny with the disagreeable OP you just aimed at the whole board.
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        • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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          Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

          Ramble ramble...Missed point of post completely...ramble ramble...feels important...Ramble ramble might to go out side

          I only kept that up there for 5 minutes to piss mike off
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          • Profile picture of the author ilee
            Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

            Look man, how bout i just cut to the chase and get to what we all are here for



            I am 24 years old FYI and all of that has been made in the past 2 years.

            So you can sit here and totally take everything out of context to feel cool..Im gonna go drive my porsche..that my HORRIBLE SEO skills bought me!

            Congrats on 5,000 posts though! (Primarily made up of verbally attacking everyone on the forum)
            People that actually make this sort of money don't post about it.
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            • Profile picture of the author Becker13
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              Originally Posted by ichl13 View Post

              People that actually make this sort of money don't post about it.
              Eh I only kept it up for 5 minutes because I know Mike check the forum every 3 seconds.

              My points been made
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

                Eh I only kept it up for 5 minutes because I know Mike check the forum every 3 seconds.

                My points been made
                Bleh not even close. Bank of America can suck sometime but they do move you up from entry level myaccess account if you have a good balance. Try this one next time


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                Good night to you beck. We greatly disagree but wish you the best.


                Originally Posted by StarrManUK View Post

                I kind of agree that there are waaaay to many idiots though that just keep saying "you need quality content" like a broken record. Google is getting pretty smart but it is not a human, it cannot judge the quality of content very easily.

                Agreed. to be honest I more disagree with the garbage backlinking as if nothing in the last year has changed . Its just silly.
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                • Profile picture of the author yukon
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Bleh not even close. Bank of America can suck sometime but they do move you up from entry level myaccess account if you have a good balance. Try this one next time


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                  Good night to you beck. We greatly disagree but wish you the best.





                  Agreed. to be honest I more disagree with the garbage backlinking as if nothing in the last year has changed . Its just silly.

                  You don't even have to download the web page If your running Chrome, make the edits on a live web page (right click, Inspect Element) & hit the "Print Screen" button on the keyboard, open MS Paint & paste the screenshot, Save the image to the desktop, done.
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              • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                Originally Posted by Becker13 View Post

                Eh I only kept it up for 5 minutes because I know Mike check the forum every 3 seconds.

                My points been made
                Lol really, are you just making fake screenshots here

                I always try to avoid conflicts with Mike cause he always knows it better and never gives up, and you know what the worse part is? He's right 99.9% of the time lol, so annoying
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

                  I always try to avoid conflicts with Mike cause he always knows it better and never gives up,
                  Then this is going to shock you.

                  I hereby officially give up. Thats right Mike hereby officially gives up

                  I was just thinking about it. I have had a number of these arguments as you all know. I realized I have been thinking they meant something to perhaps someone who doesn't know which way to turn and would be led astray.

                  but thats 1 in 100 now (probably always was) and the board is just tooo.....there isn't even a word for it because crappy doesn't cover it. Mosthost nailed it. It cultural to the board. Talk garbage , try to float anything, sell sell. post junk for a backlink. snipe anone you envy for the thanks count or because you figure they are making money for real. People don't find what works and sell it. they sell it so they say it works.

                  I'm out. Its like oil and water I can't mix. The WSO mentality is too much in force. You will not see another thread with an argument from me. I may LOL at it, ask a question or write a joke that makes people who do follow me know I disagree but if people are this silly to believe peddlers of this level of nonsense then they deserve what they get

                  SO in one respect those that complained about me opposing things were right. Made no sense not because I was wrong but because most of the audience should be allowed to take their journey to nowhere. Its downright stupid to continue to yell fire to Pyromaniacs. So yes I have been very stupid.

                  SO beck Carlin et al. Open season Guys . You can sell sell and sell.

                  The SEO formerly known as the D'artagnan of SEO will now be The Quan

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                  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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                    Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                    Then this is going to shock you.

                    I hereby officially give up. Thats right Mike hereby officially gives up
                    Oh no, this ain't gonna last long It's inside you Mike, you can't put that off.
                    Besides it's a good thing, hopefully at least some of the noobs give things a second thought.

                    The largest problem is that people don't want their dreams to be crushed, they just bought that "great software 1 click link builder" or that "awesome back link service with 1000's of links" and they just can't/don't want to believe they made a poor choice. Only the idea of thinking about building strong links terrifies the hell out of them cause it all takes time and/or money and that just doesn't fit their idea of getting rich on the internet and following the passive dream. Passiveness and fast money just doesn't match.

                    Oh well don't have to explain you.
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    Oh noo. I've been blown away by the obligatory likely Photoshopped checking account balance. ROFL. Its like he read a WSO on WSO selling.
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  • Profile picture of the author StarrManUK
    I checked this site on SEOMoz keyword analysis and it's just about the least competitive keyword I've ever seen. No wonder you are ranked.

    I kind of agree that there are waaaay to many idiots though that just keep saying "you need quality content" like a broken record. Google is getting pretty smart but it is not a human, it cannot judge the quality of content very easily.

    Let me say though I have ranked a couple of keywords before 4th in Google with zero content and zero backlinks. I'm talking just the hello world page and an exact match title. Those keywords had around 1000 US local searches.
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  • Profile picture of the author xtwistx
    social signals do all the thing...
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    • Profile picture of the author WraithSarko
      Good for you dog. Many people got slapped sh*tless by google, lost their income and nuts and jumped on the "quality content" "guest post" bandwagon.

      Low competition or not, if it's REQUIRED to have great UNIQUE unspun content with a DIVERSE link profile, how can you rank ANYTHING without it?

      If quality is really needed to rank you either have it or you don't, and if you don't you shouldn't be ranking for anything.

      The only real progress I've made is from single articles spun real good with blog comments and social bookmarks thrown in. The same article spun over and over.

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by WraithSarko View Post

        Low competition or not, if it's REQUIRED to have great UNIQUE unspun content with a DIVERSE link profile, how can you rank ANYTHING without it?
        Does the most quality runner win a race in which the best runners all came down with the flu and never show up?

        Can Google show a blank screen if there is no quality?

        SO no it is not REQUIRED to have great content if there is none showing up for that niche. You just pick the best of the garbage because you have to show something or you rely on other factors such as links when the overall quality is bad.

        Want to build a SEO strategy around never having competition? The quan will not object.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
      I haven't read all the replies but here is what my company did early last year BEFORE Panda and Penguin and the sites are still ranking. We did these just to demonstrate to potential clients that we can rank anything:

      1. We ranked a BLANK SITE for a highly competitive keyword phrase with 18 million competing

      2. We ranked a totally OFF-TOPIC site for a keyword with 10 million competing that's not even NEARLY related to the site's content

      3. We ranked a law firm for a totally NON-RELATED keyword that has nothing to do with their content, ranked it #1 on Google with 10 million competing (we did this to close the deal with them)

      All of these are STILL THERE and doing just fine post Panda/Penguin

      Content is BS
      Social Media is BS
      New/recent content is BS

      Ok fine, we don't use spammy links, no automation, all of our links are coming from high-quality sites with age and authority. That's why Panda/Penguin didn't impact us and why other SEOs are now coming to us to buy their links from us. Along with large 5-figure/month corporate clients. But still, it goes to show that any "SEO" that is not focusing on links as the central issue is BS.

      YES you need good content on your website. YES your sales copy is everything in converting visitors to customer. But content will NEVER get you ranked.
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

        I haven't read all the replies but here is what my company did early last year BEFORE Panda and Penguin and the sites are still ranking. We did these just to demonstrate to potential clients that we can rank anything:

        1. We ranked a BLANK SITE for a highly competitive keyword phrase with 18 million competing

        2. We ranked a totally OFF-TOPIC site for a keyword with 10 million competing that's not even NEARLY related to the site's content

        3. We ranked a law firm for a totally NON-RELATED keyword that has nothing to do with their content, ranked it #1 on Google with 10 million competing (we did this to close the deal with them)

        All of these are STILL THERE and doing just fine post Panda/Penguin

        Content is BS
        Social Media is BS
        New/recent content is BS

        Ok fine, we don't use spammy links, no automation, all of our links are coming from high-quality sites with age and authority. That's why Panda/Penguin didn't impact us and why other SEOs are now coming to us to buy their links from us. Along with large 5-figure/month corporate clients. But still, it goes to show that any "SEO" that is not focusing on links as the central issue is BS.

        YES you need good content on your website. YES your sales copy is everything in converting visitors to customer. But content will NEVER get you ranked.
        Exactly. Strong links is what people need, and still my packages with strong links sell worse then ever for whatever reason. People still love to buy crap, although I got to admit I get more and more serious clients cause of the link types that I sell, and they give me so much business that each one is good for like 50 people that buy a one time package.

        Question about your services, just out of curiosity, I see you offer 150 links for $600/month. How long do they stay on pages with PR? Also 150 links would cost around $600 only on content if you create a new blog post for each link so you just squeeze more links into each article or something or isn't it all high PR blog posts but also totally different type of links?
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      • Profile picture of the author mosthost
        Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

        Content is BS
        Social Media is BS
        New/recent content is BS
        LOL, that's quite a conclusion. Blanket statements are BS.
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      • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
        Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

        I haven't read all the replies but here is what my company did early last year BEFORE Panda and Penguin and the sites are still ranking. We did these just to demonstrate to potential clients that we can rank anything:

        1. We ranked a BLANK SITE for a highly competitive keyword phrase with 18 million competing

        2. We ranked a totally OFF-TOPIC site for a keyword with 10 million competing that's not even NEARLY related to the site's content

        3. We ranked a law firm for a totally NON-RELATED keyword that has nothing to do with their content, ranked it #1 on Google with 10 million competing (we did this to close the deal with them)

        These competing pages numbers aren't exactly impressive, considering that it is irrelevant. Unless we know how many websites ON THE 1st PAGE have targeted this keyword + what was their link profile, everything you have just said is meaningless
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by FrankRumbauskas View Post

        Ok fine, we don't use spammy links, no automation, all of our links are coming from high-quality sites with age and authority. That's why Panda/Penguin didn't impact us and why other SEOs are now coming to us to buy their links from us. Along with large 5-figure/month corporate clients. But still, it goes to show that any "SEO" that is not focusing on links as the central issue is BS.
        Well look the new Quan aint picking no fight.

        "He's a lover not a fighter"

        and its nothing personal but I aint frontin if I had ton loads of 5 figure clients/month I wouldn't be hanging out with you suckers and if I had a network that could rank for anything without even needing content I wouldn't be dropping links here and selling link packages like you are doing. Id be shopping picking out my fifth money counter. Finally if I had anything ranked from last year in a competitive serp with my network attached I would put something on it. I would not leave it sitting there empty saying its still there empty and ranking :confused:. Unless of course I was waiting for google to say hey whats this? Looks interesting. Oh its a network like BMR? Wake Mr Cutts and tell him its fun time again.

        Now I aint saying that you can't believe everything you read on this forum cause we all know its like the Bible (IF you are not religious you can replace it with Origin of Species) but I am just saying what I would be doing if all that was true for me and mine. I mean whats real in my casa. If you do the twilight zone stuff over your house then thats your reality.

        I'll agree with you that link building is key but so is content and its a freshman approach to SEO that says choose one or the other. I don't know any good SEO that can't walk (take care of content) and chew gum (link build) at the same time. Some backlinkers maybe (Zing...) but not true full SEOs.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    This thread here sums up what's going on with the SEO forum.
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      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      This thread here sums up what's going on with the SEO forum.
      didn't see it . admin yanked it.
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      • Profile picture of the author Carl Brown
        It was Polish. Spun content

        Small portion in English
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        didn't see it . admin yanked it.
        That was fast (I'm impressed). Someone trying to prove me wrong about the junk being posted?

        Good thing about WF, it gets cached fast: Google Cache

        WF needs to seriously get a handle on the forum sig., it just makes unnecessary work for Mods. Most spam on this forum revolves around forum sigs.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mantasmo
    Hey Mike don't give up man!

    I'm an argumentative person (trying not to be though), but even I admit that I have learned a lot from random arguments here on this very forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    Penguin has nothing to do with quality content, it was more on the quality of links.


    Panda was the one with the more focus on on-site metrics.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin


    I build hundreds of thousands of links everyday. Have you built 300k links total, in all your life?

    Evidence is the basis of a logical argument Mike, not prejudice.

    Why are you so angry all the time anyway, if you're making it online shouldn't you be a little bit more of a happy person? I'm a cynical guy and I'm pretty happy thanks to my business
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      Oh no, this ain't gonna last long It's inside you Mike, you can't put that off.
      Sorry Nik. Its going to last for eternity.

      Besides it's a good thing, hopefully at least some of the noobs give things a second thought.
      Noobs that would will rethink it in time with each update and when they can't rank for squat.

      Think I can;t do it with just questions and levity.

      Watch.....Heres the levity approach

      . Yes, it's a UK SERP, but the UK is the second English speaking market with 45 million people connected to the internet regularly.
      They are connected. We want them to be so we can keep an eye on them - or if theres a royal wedding so we can laugh at the hats - but the British suck. Which other country has lost an entire continent......Twice? If not for Benny Hill and your accent which we think is cute we would have broken you up and given full control over to the Falklands. Even God doesn't like the British. How else do you explain an island of all things that gets little to no sun? Don't you think its odd and ominous that clouds just hang there in the middle of the Atlantic ocean? Like God is waitng to do something. Still I love a woman with a good Britsh accent. Guys? Meh. good on the Americans for IM videos I will admit. Even when they are saying nonsense it makes it sound at least intelligent.


      Now heres the question approach Nik

      https://ahrefs.com/site-explorer/ove...vip-vrot.co.uk

      See that? NOTHING! Lol, no link profiles, you can try other tools, you'll find some stuff but only a tiny fraction.
      and how does a five page website with plenty of content match your one page claim?
      plus how does a site showing no links bolster your claim that spamlinks work.

      last series of questions. DID YOU DO ANY RESEARCH AT ALL? It can help vastly.

      Did you know there are five other domains on that server that have to do with Paydayloans? Did you know that the who is information indicates that that the same entity owns a bunch of related loan domains? Did you know that he links from those to his other sites?

      DO you now realize what you are looking at? thats its not simply some crappy xrummer run but a Niche SEO network? DO you see how that would not phase me in the least since its exactly what I am into? and how dreadfully awful all your "proofs " have been?

      Can you try to do better research next time before attempting to lead the gullible astray?? I think you can and will and thats a good thing

      Its all about the quan baby. all about the quan. I aint got nothin but love.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Carlin View Post



      I build hundreds of thousands of links everyday. Have you built 300k links total, in all your life?

      You are funny I officially demand a rolling on the floor smilie. To pretend like you were seriously trying to claim superiority on the basis of running Xrummer was good. Not realistic though. It couldn't happen in real life though. People are smart and would never do that. I mean you were making a joke right?
      Evidence is the basis of a logical argument Mike, not prejudice.
      If you think what you wrote is logical all I can say is.....


      Live long and prosper.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        You are funny I officially demand a rolling on the floor smilie. To pretend like you were seriously trying to claim superiority on the basis of running Xrummer was good. Not realistic though. It couldn't happen in real life though. People are smart and would never do that. I mean you were making a joke right?
        Sorry, I'm really confused (I'm sure you'll have a dig at me for even saying that).

        Just to confirm and clarify, your official view is that "XRumer doesn't work"?

        Really? What do you know about it exactly you can't even spell it right.
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    its because you have no competition for your keyword
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
    It's refreshing to see some real levity in your posts, makes you much more interesting to read

    What's the second continent we lost? It's good a thing we did lose the Empire or the whole world would be wrapped up in red tape, and everyone would have terrible teeth.

    Yes it's 5 pages... but it's cookie cutter stuff, like the disclaimer/terms, contact. All this stuff is generated from a template. There's payday ping tree affiliates programs that actually give it all to you. The point is it's a "low quality", thin site. Google supposedly hates these, because "they care about quality".

    Did I spend lots of what should be work time doing the full research on that domain? No, I didn't. And my point about nothing showing in the link history is because most of the crawling services are crap. They only find the easy-to-spot links, they are not even 1% of what Google will find.

    So it means Google has given rank for the links it has already found which (if XRumer is used) are often in the deeper, forgotten parts of the web where human rarely tread. 90% of the links I build will never be found by majestic, ahrefs, spyglass, or seomoz.... BUT the links MUST be there. You don't rank for terms like that without links.

    But seriously, is this what it comes to? Is the question "does XRumer work?"...

    And why you always make out that the people who you disagree with always have some alternate agenda? Why would I be "leading people astray?" What do I have to gain from this? You're the one who's saying building lots of links doesn't work, lol!

    "Hey everyone, building thousands of links is bad!"

    Whatever mate, less competition for me if the noobs wanna believe you gotta spend hundreds of dollars on each domain so you can build one link on it. That's your idea, which you must defend if you wanna sell your products.

    I'm saying mass spam works, that's counter-intuitive to my blog network product. If I had an agenda, I would be saying the same thing as you, "blog networks for the win!".

    But I'm not saying that, I'm saying something that won't help sell my products. Unlike you.

    So... who's leading people astray?
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Michael Carlin View Post

      It's refreshing to see some real levity in your posts, makes you much more interesting to read

      What's the second continent we lost?
      I though the British were always claiming the yanks don't know Geography. Ever heard of Australia? Can I pass on the rest of your posts? Is there any point in an expose of the excuses on why you didn't do any research? The fact that you were wrong and its a network ranking that site shouldn't be lost on anyone right? I will comment on this though

      But I'm not saying that, I'm saying something that won't help sell my products. Unlike you.
      Dude one thing I will still do is call a straight up lie when I see it. Just days ago you were pushing a product in a video on youtube which in your EXACT quote says

      Using Content Spiffer to create unique content, and inject links in seconds, so we can build lots of links on web2.0 properties.

      SPAM SPAM SPAM!
      SO can we cut down on the malarkey reading? the levels are causing the pointer to bounce to max faster than the rhymes in a Nicki Minaj song. I forgive you though Homie. I ain't got nothing but love but its got to be the truth or it ain the love.
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      • Profile picture of the author Michael Carlin
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        I though the British were always claiming the yanks don't know Geography. Ever heard of Australia? Can I pass on the rest of your posts? Is there any point in an expose of the excuses on why you didn't do any research? The fact that you were wrong and its a network ranking that site shouldn't be lost on anyone right?
        So going by your post, you think networks are built on the same IP and a few links can rank for "payday loans"?

        You charge too much for your courses to say silly things like that. You can pass on the rest of my posts, your response is not needed :p

        Australia not a continent. Australasia is a continent. Canada + the Eastern US coast is not a continent either. Do you have to make every argument so moronic?

        EDIT: Apparently it's acceptable to call the continent Australia. Lol, nevermind I can't win them all. But if you wanna get technical it's "Australasia".

        http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Are_Austra...lasia_the_same

        Dude one thing I will still do is call a straight up lie when I see it. Just days ago you were pushing a product in a video on youtube which in your EXACT quote says
        Content spiffer isn't even my product! There isn't even an affiliate link there, I was just helping people spam! Don't spammers need love too?
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by Michael Carlin View Post

          So going by your post, you think networks are built on the same IP and a few links can rank for "payday loans"?

          You charge too much for your courses to say silly things like that. You can pass on the rest of my posts, your response is not needed :p
          Well you can understand if you lie about what I say I will always correct you. Lovingly of course. Did you miss the part where I clearly wrote that the guy owned other domains? I used that to track down other domains on alot of other servers. They have quite a SEO niche networks setup there. IF you want I can give you a discount on my course since you are always crying about the price like it would be your last $167. You can read about various setups there. Or wait for the rent to own system out over the weekend. Seats will be limited. Your choice. Its all about the Quan and all about the love.


          Australia not a continent. Australasia is a continent. Canada + the Eastern US coast is not a continent either. Do you have to make every argument so moronic?
          Jeepers here. the old Mike would have ripped you a new one but the new Quan just gives a link

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Australia_(continent)

          toodles. Too much back and forth for the new Quan . Catch you on the flip flop.
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      Originally Posted by bnetwork View Post

      What the actual f*** guys?
      lol, yeah I know. It seems we enjoy a mental sparring session.

      But I think me and Mike finally agree on something, wasted too much time on this.

      I'm not denying his system works, but for anyone else who had the patience to read this thread (I feel sorry for you if you did), spam works too
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    Really guys too much reading, can we keep it short next time. I love to read this but it's hurting my workload
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    What a great idea...

    Let's all just start making shitty websites so we can get hit by the next update.

    Great advice
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    The only interesting thing about Xrumer is that it can also post on forums instead of creating forum profile links. And forum posts are very effective for ranking but it's also an incredible spammy way as the posts get removed soon after they are placed. That's why you see many people post to dead forums, well actually these forums aren't even dead cause massive amount of xrumer users post to them so for the Google bot they might even look real. Nevertheless it's one of the most spammy methods and I wouldn't recommend it to anyone, but for short term results it's undeniable that it's effective.
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    Lol, what's the video above all about?? Not seo for sure... As for good seo practises, you should always go with the "best practises". Simply copy what the guys at the first page are doing. That's it! End of the story...
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