Quality or Quantity? Which Do You Prefer?

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I'm thinking about offering free SEO services (for one month) really soon and trying to get an idea of what type of packages people are interested in?

I personally believe that with the new Google algorithm changes quality is definitely more ideal than quantity. Unfortunately it seems people still buy and do lots of link blasts to various sites with various PR ranking.

What I'm thinking of doing is offering SEO services with a focus more on quality, so instead of doing 10,000 link blasts, focus on building links on maybe 100 to a few hundred sites.

What do you all think?
#link buidling #prefer #quality #quantity #seo
  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I think there is a huge market wide open for as many links as possible.

    When I hear people talking here I think 100.000 high PR profile links will sell very well here
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  • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
    Quality, I've been building quality links for years, have never been affected with updates on any of my main sites, only on smaller-scale test sites I used to mess around on. I personally would love to see more sellers like you selling smaller packages with better links. (I wouldn't buy any, since I do everything myself, but all the best).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    I'll tell you why low quality links will always sell, it's human nature to think a large quanity of something (anything) is better than a low quantity.

    The 2nd part of that is, people that don't understand backlinks assume they are getting the better deal over the link provider because the links are low cost compared to quality link cost.

    Fiverr is proof that buyers think they're getting a better deal than the Fiverr gig/seller (5,000 links for only $5? WOW!). :rolleyes:

    We can preach quality links all day, everyday & people will still buy low quality for the reasons I mentioned above. That's the price people will pay when they can't be bothered to learn (link building) before buying.
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    • Profile picture of the author cardine
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      I'll tell you why low quality links will always sell, it's human nature to think a large quanity of something (anything) is better than a low quantity.

      The 2nd part of that is, people that don't understand backlinks assume they are getting the better deal over the link provider because the links are low cost compared to quality link cost.

      Fiverr is proof that buyers think they're getting a better deal than the Fiverr gig/seller (5,000 links for only $5? WOW!). :rolleyes:

      We can preach quality links all day, everyday & people will still buy low quality for the reasons I mentioned above. That's the price people will pay when they can't be bothered to learn (link building) before buying.
      Agree with this. Everyone says "quality" but then when they go to open up their wallet they can't help themselves and go with the product that advertises the most links.

      Also part of the problem is that it is really hard to "quantify" quality. So often quantity (and sales pitch) is the only thing to differentiate two different competing SEO services.
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      • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
        Originally Posted by cardine View Post

        Agree with this. Everyone says "quality" but then when they go to open up their wallet they can't help themselves and go with the product that advertises the most links.

        Also part of the problem is that it is really hard to "quantify" quality. So often quantity (and sales pitch) is the only thing to differentiate two different competing SEO services.
        It's just a lot of guys aren't making the right ROI or returns yet so I can see where they are coming from. Someone like me who can throw cash around and spend a bit more will have a diffrent mindset. Also you're right quality links take time, doing them the proper way is a lot more work. Anyone can blast a bunch a links, but to get someone to start working on niche-relevant, high PR, post-related comments on blogs is going to use up a lot of resources and cost quite a bit more. And you've touched on another point, a lot of vendors will claim quality, but you don't really know until you're looking at the report..
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    @OP: The better my packages got, the less I started to sell, so yeah draw your own conclusions.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Something else, I get PMs all the time from forum members telling me they understand that low quality links aren't a good deal (ROI), then in the next sentence they'll say something like "Do you think it would be ok for me to buy a fiverr gig?"

    My advice is, stop sending me PMs about crap, when they know it's crap.

    It's annoying to see people say they understand low quality links are junk, then they go ahead & buy the junk links, they justify the junk links because it's only $5. No, it's not only $5, it's 5min. that they're wasting my freakin time.

    I don't mind helping people, but doing things they know is worthless is irritating.
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    • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Something else, I get PMs all the time from forum members telling me they understand that low quality links aren't a good deal (ROI), then in the next sentence they'll say something like "Do you think it would be ok for me to buy a fiverr gig?"

      My advice is, stop sending me PMs about crap, when they know it's crap.

      It's annoying to see people say they understand low quality links are junk, then they go ahead & buy the junk links, they justify the junk links because it's only $5. No, it's not only $5, it's 5min. that they're wasting my freakin time.

      I don't mind helping people, but doing things they know is worthless is irritating.
      Funny.. No matter how many times you explain it or tell people, there's always someone out there who can't get over the itch to order 10,000 backlinks on the cheap and risk it. Always ends up in let down though, I wish more people could grasp it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Wade32
    Why not a mixture of the two? Quality AND quantity? It seems that more people would buy from you if you could deliver more quality articles in bulk.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      Why not a mixture of the two? Quality AND quantity? It seems that more people would buy from you if you could deliver more quality articles in bulk.
      Thing is that quality articles cost money, so let's say you offer 20 links with 20 articles then the costs are $100,- and that is ONLY for the content. Then the links need to be placed which costs money as well, and preferrable at high PR domains that cost money as well for hosting, investment, renewals, maintaining it.

      So 20 unique quality blogposts can easily end up at $200,-

      And that is not a price that sells big time cause most people like to buy under a $100,- so so long with your quantity and quality. It just doesn't match.

      And then 20 posts is not what people see as volume. Instead they want hundreds of links. Okay I don't have to much to complain but when I stripped about 100-150 normal links and traded it for 6 strong links (as well as other links that still remained though) my sales dropped like 50%. That's what you get for offering quality.

      Then there are others with blog networks set up on crappy c-class SEO hosting that spam their sites like crazy and that offer 100 blogposts for under a $100,- and then people think like "Hey, that's one great package" and it ranks as well but it's often only a matter of time before those sites get taken down. I haven't had a single site deindexed out of 250+ sites for over 4 months now and I hear people with blog networks saying that a 5% deindex rate is pretty common. Funny then that that never happens to me lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author Weedy92
      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      Why not a mixture of the two? Quality AND quantity? It seems that more people would buy from you if you could deliver more quality articles in bulk.
      That's how it should be done. Give me rock solid high quality links for Teir 1, and less quality for Teir 2, anything beyond that can be low quality links. Works wonders..
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Nguyen
    Before you even try to sell a smaller package, you need to educate your buyers why it's about quality than quantity or no one is going to buy. When are people gonna learn. Cheap links = Sh1t links. Get what you pay for.
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  • Profile picture of the author IM Nick
    Both have their own markets and I think both would sell. I've seen quality whitehat services sell nearly as well as packages that have thousands of links. The whitehat stuff usually costs a lot more as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author aadi144
    Both,You have to focus on both Quality and Quantity.But Quantity should be given first preference as quality links will bring traffic to your site more.
    content in Quantity can be considered sometimes only if it is qualitative.
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    • Profile picture of the author EloquentGentleman
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Something else, I get PMs all the time from forum members telling me they understand that low quality links aren't a good deal (ROI), then in the next sentence they'll say something like "Do you think it would be ok for me to buy a fiverr gig?"

      My advice is, stop sending me PMs about crap, when they know it's crap.

      It's annoying to see people say they understand low quality links are junk, then they go ahead & buy the junk links, they justify the junk links because it's only $5. No, it's not only $5, it's 5min. that they're wasting my freakin time.

      I don't mind helping people, but doing things they know is worthless is irritating.
      Man that's sad.... Makes me wonder about people, but guess you have to get passed all of that.

      Originally Posted by Wade32 View Post

      Why not a mixture of the two? Quality AND quantity? It seems that more people would buy from you if you could deliver more quality articles in bulk.
      I actually had that in mind (offering a decent number of quality articles), but don't want to offer people a bunch of crappy links built with software.

      I think with the Google updates best practice would be to make everything you do look as organic as possible and provide quality content built around the keywords you plan on targeting. Also, sticking to doing submissions manually (or at least mostly).

      Originally Posted by Michael Nguyen View Post

      Before you even try to sell a smaller package, you need to educate your buyers why it's about quality than quantity or no one is going to buy. When are people gonna learn. Cheap links = Sh1t links. Get what you pay for.
      Plan on doing that as well, definitely have to educate your buyers and get them to understand why what their buying is so beneficial to them.

      Originally Posted by aadi144 View Post

      Both,You have to focus on both Quality and Quantity.But Quantity should be given first preference as quality links will bring traffic to your site more.
      content in Quantity can be considered sometimes only if it is qualitative.
      True, seems people are sold on quantity, but quality is essential to actually get results. You would still have to be mindful not to take on focusing on quantity in the wrong ways and getting sites deindexed. And you mean quality should be given first preference right?
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  • Profile picture of the author K Mec
    It doesnt matter whether you gets results with quality links or quantity links. Quality link will sustain your site where as quantity link will boost your rank.
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  • Profile picture of the author Greedy
    I think there is a huge market wide open for as many links as possible.
    I agree with this, but quality over quantity has always been my route.

    For anything in life.
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    • Profile picture of the author EloquentGentleman
      Originally Posted by Greedy View Post

      I agree with this, but quality over quantity has always been my route.

      For anything in life.
      Kind of odd reading this statement and looking at your name. :confused:

      Just had to say it. But on another note I'm the same way. Almost always prefer something of quality rather than a bunch of crap with inferior quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Aarav
    I always prefer Quality and also suggest you to do SEO services with highly focus on quality rather than quantity.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      I think there might also be some different interpretations about quantity/quality.

      Some thing high quantity spam only consists of:

      10.000 comments
      20.000 profile links
      5.000 wiki links

      While they think that this is safe / quality:

      - 100 wiki links
      - 200 web2.0's
      - 500 bookmarks
      - 200 article directories

      While in fact it's both spam as there are only like 10 good bookmark / 10 good article directories and 50 or so okay web2.0's but well most use tools for web2.0's so then you still end up with 8*25 crappy web2.0 sites.

      Then when you come up with something like:

      - 10 pressrelease sites
      - 10 article directories
      - 25 web2.0's
      - 10 bookmarks

      People start to think huuu, with that other guy I can get 10 times more of these links for the same price. While they forget they are repeating the same sites over and over or are using pr0 pr1 pr2 sites to reach amounts of 100's of the same type of links.

      So guess we still have a long road to go. Lately I purchased 200-250+ web2.0's from someone, purely cause I was curious which web2.0 sites he used, turned out that the majority was ELGG/JCOW which are all nofollow these days so pretty much a waste of money but well I could care less cause I was just curious about it and wasn't even aware that such crappy web2.0 platforms exists.

      Same counts for blog networks that people sell for hundreds of dollars, lately there was someone selling 10 high PR domains for $250,-, I won't put any names, I was highly sceptical about it and then it turned out a client of mine bought such network, so I asked him if I could have a look at the url's. He gave me the list and it turned out that half of the domains had a DA (Domain Authority) of around 5 and the other ones didn't have any DA at all so obvious fake. Nice purchase :S, sure you can't expect much for that price of course but still...

      Then there are people who sell permanent homepage links with 10 links for like $50,-, they stuff the homepage full with 100 links about all kind of topics, sell it a 100 times, bank a quick few thousand dollars and within a year or less the network is deindexed but everyone go's wild on it cause they think they understand what quality is while in fact they have no clue whatsoever. Personally I just sold 1 PR4 permanent link for $50,- yes only one link, but if the site drops in PR then I move the link to another PR4 site of mine, and the chance of deindexing is as good as zero and if that happens I move the link as well, + only 15 outbound links. So yeah what's a better deal? Having 10 PR3 links with 100 OBL that lasts for 6 months and then your money is gone, or have 1 PR4 link with only 15 OBL that is stronger right from the start with a long term guarantee as well. Again a huge difference of quality but you need to know something about SEO to see the difference. Only thing people see is 10 links instead of 1 for the same price so easy choice right.

      Last example and then I had them all, 100 blogposts at some network hosted on cheap C-class SEO hosting that stay 1 day on the homepage, or 10 blogposts at strong sites that are each hosted on a different shared hosting plan and where the posts stay on the homepage for 1 month and that for the same price. Do the math yourself, what you think is wiser!

      If people would read this post then they know something about quality, but the posts is too long so people only read it half and still get driven by emotions that they rather have more "quality" links lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author fmac
    Nowadays it has to be quality! But you can have quality and quantity as well!
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  • Profile picture of the author Sanket Patel
    With the constant changes in Google algorithm, the websites which practices even the best tactics for promoting facing the loss of SERP. So I would recommend you should prefer quality first. Quality always leads to the successful link building techniques today and provide well presence online.
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  • Profile picture of the author IMSince2003
    Well, I say that in this climate where people are scared of the next Google update, a quality link package has a better chance of being successful. There's a market out there for virtually everything. Finding the right audience and presenting them with the right product at the right time takes skill, patience, and testing, testing, testing.
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  • Profile picture of the author lejdahaez
    Both of them, quality and quantity is most important, you can success with a little of quality links.
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  • Profile picture of the author ademsmith
    Quality is better of course, I prefer 100 quality links . but The market for quantity is much bigger so if I were you I would go with quantity to earn money
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  • Profile picture of the author seoguide
    Definitely quality work does effect on your result.quantity will increase you detabase only
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