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Hi there,
I'm getting a bit frustrated with my keyword research. I'm using Keyword Blaze and Stealth Keyword Competition Analyzer to evaluate a keyword with 2,900 monthly searches. KB gives is a score of 30 with anything up to 50 being low competition. However SKCA rates it 'bad'.
Which should I place more trust in?
Might try to find a Fiverr gig to try it out on Market Samurai too.
Cheers,
Keith
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  • Profile picture of the author mrmarketer1
    As most of these tools plug into Google keyword tool - you might just want to try to go to the source....
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    • Profile picture of the author mcginty
      Hi there,

      Thanks for your comment.

      I didn't think the keyword tool indicated how competitive a keyword is?

      Cheers,

      Keith
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      • Profile picture of the author easypr
        Google keywords tool show competition of keywords in graph, But Google keywords tool is the best keywords research tool, other keywords tool use google keywords database & show in well formatted & style.
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        • Profile picture of the author ArcherWylde
          Originally Posted by easypr View Post

          Google keywords tool show competition of keywords in graph, But Google keywords tool is the best keywords research tool, other keywords tool use google keywords database & show in well formatted & style.
          Not sure if it's what you meant, but the "competition" in the google keywords tool is the level of competition between advertisers gunning for a spots on the search results or on adsense enabled websites.

          Traffic Travis is a good indicator of SERP competition and even better, it has a free version.
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    • Profile picture of the author DZainein
      Originally Posted by mrmarketer1 View Post

      As most of these tools plug into Google keyword tool - you might just want to try to go to the source....
      I second that

      I also checked serp attack site, as Kadztheman suggested, it seems to be good - but I still have to download and run it.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheBlueWizard
        You can't just rely on the tool alone to do the keyword research. To be honest, in the end you need to manually understand what makes a difficult easy or difficult to rank for.

        Unfortunately with most keyword tools, many of them base their competition scores on 'incorrect' seo factors, thus giving you discrepancies (as you experienced in your case) in what the seo competition of a keyword REALLY is.

        I wrote a complete comprehensive guide to figuring out how to measure and evaluate keyword competition manually, then transferring those basic fundamental analysis skills in to the appropriate software/tools. Personally, using the free version of Traffic Travis + Ultimate Niche Finder I have found to be the absolute most efficient way of finding low competition keywords. I first use Ultimate Niche Finder to do bulk keyword research and then I manually verify all the 'very easy-easy' keywords from Ultimate Niche Finder in Traffic Travis to make sure Traffic Travis states they are easy as well.

        And most importantly, I also view other factors MANUALLY before determining whether a keyword is going to be easy to rank for or not. For example, I check to see if the on-page seo is competitive, whether the article is engaging and relevant + keyword dense + LSI dense, I check to see if forums are ranking at the top, etc.
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        • Profile picture of the author hershkoy
          I use keyword blaze just to give me a list of keyword ideas. Before I actually do something with these keyword, I manually check that I can squeeze into the first page
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          • Profile picture of the author sigurdur
            I use the free version of Traffic Travis, then after it gives me a "easy" score, I manually verify the results in the google serps.

            One thing to note, the competition thing in Google Keyword Tool is only a competition indicator for Google AdWords, not how difficult it is to rank.
            So unless you are running an ad using Google AdWords, this is meaningless to you.

            Two small tips on seeing if a keyword is easy or not:
            1) Is the phrase search result count within 100,000? (You search using "")
            2) Is there a youtube video on page one?

            I find these two indicators really handy for quick keyword research.
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    • Profile picture of the author Prosper2day
      Originally Posted by mrmarketer1 View Post

      As most of these tools plug into Google keyword tool - you might just want to try to go to the source....
      Agreed . So many plugins come out to improve keyword research but almost all of them still refer back to the source Google so why not just start there?
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  • Profile picture of the author headmaster211
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    Did you tried Traffic Travis, it could be good indicator of how the competitors are doing.
    Firstly, never trust a tool that says its easier to rank or its hard to rank. They are not at all accurate, different tools show different results.

    What you need to do it to get the data related to the sites, analyze it and see if you can rank for it or not. Get the no. of external backlinks(high pr), Page rank, SEO.. etc. and see what you need to do in order to outrank them. Reverse engineer the sites who are already ranking well.

    Google keyword tool is the one for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kadztheman
    I use serp attack. Its free and does what market samuria does
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    • Profile picture of the author Johnno
      Originally Posted by Kadztheman View Post

      I use serp attack. Its free and does what market samuria does
      What is the difference between the free and paid versions of serp attack?

      I couldn't find this on the website.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    I use several tools, I use keywordcanine for mostly everything. It is a niche finder but a keyword tool or nichefinder tool are pretty much the same thing.

    I think they are full but you can get on the waiting list. Yes it cost just like all the ones do.

    I do not like google keyword tool, you get one information then go to adwords and it all changes. I might see a bid for 75 cents for page one but when I add it to a adwords campaign it says, well below the 2.50 min bid for page one. No google is about ridiculous now.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    Get really good with the Google Keyword Tool before buying anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author yonaswedo
      Originally Posted by thatkeywordguy View Post

      Get really good with the Google Keyword Tool before buying anything.
      Nice advice! Free tool isn't mean always freak!
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      • Profile picture of the author captainx
        My concept keyword research;

        Trend --> Quantity --> Competitor

        Used Google tools for fundamental, for bird eye view.
        -GG-insign
        -GG-Trend
        -GG-Adword

        Used long tails keyword research for relate key.
        -Keyword researcher

        Used back link checking tools for analysis competitor (Only reference)
        -Ultimate Niche Finder
        -Keyword Canine

        Deep details checking competitor by actual search on Google;
        -Review top 20 of rank on site by site
        -Review authority site on first page, how many high authority site shown.
        -Target for rank of my site, What rank I can do.

        ***Before used their keyword, Must be sure ranking on 1st page! If not, others Ton of keywords waiting you select.

        PS; All research tools only forecast, learning by doing and tag by our statistic is better.

        Good Keyword research + Good Marketing research = Good Benefit
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        • Profile picture of the author Aarav
          I always prefer Google Adwords Keyword Tool and also recommend others to use it because it is the most trustful and best tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author K Mec
    I am using keyword sniper pro. it searches search results and monthly search volume in the software itself so no need to search each keyword in google individually.

    Any keyword with >1000 <5000 with low competition and near $1 CPC is gold keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author aadi144
    You can use Google Keyword tool or Google Adwords to analyse the keyword and look at the competition on a particular keyword with global as well as monthly searches.I guess you can't get better then this.
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  • Profile picture of the author johntucker300
    You can check the competition of any keyword manually too. Use allintitle:keyword for analyzing the competition of any keyword. This will help you in understanding how many people are using your keyword in their title.

    Secondly, you can also check the number of backlinks of top 10 websites ranking for your keyword. You may need more backlinks then those websites to outrank them. Backlinks will give you a fair idea about the competition.
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  • Profile picture of the author thatkeywordguy
    try SemRush
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  • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
    I use Brad callen's NF to find, analyze keywords.
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  • Profile picture of the author Suir1980
    24 replies and not one has mentioned SEO Spyglass. Guess not one person above knows how to do proper keyword research...


    PS - LOL at using MarketSamurai to gauge competition. The metrics tell you absolutely nothing! So a site has 500 backlinks... big fukkin deal! What are the QUALITY of those backlinks! Are those all PR 0s or PR10s?? Are those links even up? Remember, MS uses MagesticSEO and they don't update their often. Of those backlinks, are they all from the same domain? Are they even really your competition? What anchor texts and keywords are they using? Etc. etc. etc. MS gives you NONE of these important data when researching competition!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheBlueWizard
      Originally Posted by Suir1980 View Post

      24 replies and not one has mentioned SEO Spyglass. Guess not one person above knows how to do proper keyword research...


      PS - LOL at using MarketSamurai to gauge competition. The metrics tell you absolutely nothing! So a site has 500 backlinks... big fukkin deal! What are the QUALITY of those backlinks! Are those all PR 0s or PR10s?? Are those links even up? Remember, MS uses MagesticSEO and they don't update their often. Of those backlinks, are they all from the same domain? Are they even really your competition? What anchor texts and keywords are they using? Etc. etc. etc. MS gives you NONE of these important data when researching competition!
      Your right, clearly nobody here knows how to do proper keyword research; and you're way of executing it is the only and absolute definition of keyword research.

      ...

      :rolleyes:

      Slow your roll.

      Ignoring your elitism and condescension, You have some good points in your post; unfortunately it's riddled with unnecessary/inaccurate points as well, or things that are VERY open to debate.

      Majestic SEO not updating their results often? First time I've heard that. There are unreliable site explorers out there, but Majestic is certainly not one of them. Sure, there are probably better, however MSEO is not an inferior tool as you brush it off.

      Gauge =/= Complete analysis. Experienced keyword research experts can pick out 100+ profitable MICRO-NICHE keywords that would rank with "better than competitor" content + On-Page SEO + a few bookmarks/social signals. However, if they/we were to go in to the level of analysis you describe (which is actually not necessary for MNS keywords), that keyword production would slow to a crawl, and be a lot less automated.

      Personally, I think MS GUI and performance is crap and extremely slow; but it actually does tell you referring domains. Majestic SEO also tells you anchor text being used.
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      • Profile picture of the author Greg71
        Go to the Market Samurai Dojo and use the videos to learn about broad, phrase and exact (plus all the other vids).

        Then use Google KT.
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