Bing It On! Bing versus Google...

JSProjects

14 years ago

Ha. Interesting. I took the blind test and ended up choosing Bing 4/5 times.

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Nelapsi

14 years ago

Google won for me 5/0.

There are times I like bing though, I just wish they indexed faster and more complete then they currently do. It seems like they just pick certain pages to index and are always 3 months behind indexing.

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DeskCoder

14 years ago

You can easily tell ... when videos come up, it's Google.

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K Mec

14 years ago

Wow! having fun in this game...

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mosthost

14 years ago

Bing won 3 in a row for me.

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paulgl 14 years ago

Just an advertising gimmick by bing.

It's called, "Desperation."

Bing continues to bleed money from MS, google
continues to have record profits.

Google's presence on the web is astounding, from
youtube to gmail, blogger to reCaptcha, and everything
in between. Toss in android, and their presence is
a blanket over the world.

It would be very hard for the general public, the public
that matters, to escape google.

When you start using advertising gimmicks like this,
call it "jumping the shark."

MS should toss in the towel. Whoever even came
up with the name, bing, should have been fired.

By even putting a google+ button on it, MS cannot
even escape the google, although I'm sure they
had good reason to include it. Still lame. The whole
thing is as lame as Geico commercials for the blind
taste test of "car insurance."

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

LMAO, Google won all 5 rounds for my keywords.

Here's the message from Bing at the end:

Google may have won this round, but others picked Bing web search results over Google nearly 2 to 1 in blind comparison tests.*

That message sounds like something a loser would say.

Why would I give a $hit what others (whoever others is) care about while I'm searching my keywords?

It's the classic "If everyone else jumped off a bridge, would you jump?".

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why would I give a what others (whoever others is) care about while I'm searching my keywords?

because its keyword specific. Chose Google myself more too but I have used Bing enough to know sometimes on some searches they are better
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- yukon Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony
  
  because its keyword specific. Chose Google myself more too but I have used Bing enough to know sometimes on some searches they are better
  
  Like Paul said above, it's a gimmick. Bing lost the so called challenge & still tells me the results aren't typical of most searches. I wonder If my challenge will skew their 2 to 1 ratio?
  
  Thing is the only people outside of SEO that will see that advertisement are people that akready use MS products, so their trying to convince people that already use the product?
  
  Bing should advertise that challenge on Adwords, lol.
  
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  Mike Anthony 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  Like Paul said above, it's a gimmick. Bing lost the so called challenge & still tells me the results aren't typical of most searches.
  
  and how did you become the definer of what is typical?
  
  Its advertising and not a bad one at that. they lost your challenge but not everyones. Even though Google got most of mine it forced me to look at the results and they were not all that different in many results. Even though they lost MY keywords as far I was concerned I am more likely to do searches in BIng if I don't find what I want in Google and do so faster than I would have before.
  
  Of course the big difference with me is that I don't give a rip about Google being better than Bing or BIng better than Google and i never can understand why marketers try and take sides.
  
  To me its silly for marketers to do that. I care about my own company and marketers are served best by competition among search engines. All the MS hate is just nonsense. Every marketer should be hoping for a non monopoly in search and rooting for whoever to take market share.
  
  Paul is just the stereotypical "I hate MS" guy. Its in several or his posts. If it were non MS it would be great advertising
  
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mosthost

14 years ago

According to Alexa, Facebook is now the visited website in the world. Google isn't guaranteed to be number one forever, even in search.

I think this is a good gimmick. It forces people to at least think about search quality, and wonder if they need to stick with Google.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

I think this is a good gimmick. It forces people to at least think about search quality, and wonder if they need to stick with Google.

Has anyone seen Bing advertise this challege outside of a MS product (I haven't), because advertising the Bing challenge only on MS products is preaching to people that most likely already use Bing.

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mosthost

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Has anyone seen Bing advertise this challege outside of a MS product (I haven't), because advertising the Bing challenge only on MS products is preaching to people that most likely already use Bing.

I would imagine they are using AdWords. I wouldn't know, though, because I'm using the most popular extension for Chrome, AdBlocker

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Has anyone seen Bing advertise this challege outside of a MS product (I haven't), because advertising the Bing challenge only on MS products is preaching to people that most likely already use Bing.

MS has been working throughout the media which is far from just inside MS properties

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1600&bih=775

its a nice piece of marketing. Even on sites anti MS they are getting a decent percentage of people who say Bing won. they don't even need it to be the majority given their present market share

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

MS has been working throughout the media which is far from just inside MS properties

https://www.google.com/#hl=en&tbo=d&...w=1600&bih=775

its a nice piece of marketing. Even on sites anti MS they are getting a decent percentage of people who say Bing won. they don't even need it to be the majority given their present market share

If I ask 700 GM workers who makes better cars, GM or Toyota, I wonder If the majority will pick GM?

Bing claims a 3rd party survey, but the results are filtered through Bing. Yep, sounds legit to me.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

If I ask 700 GM workers who makes better cars, GM or Toyota, I wonder If the majority will pick GM?

Weak. The survey did not just ask MS workers. You are sounding like one of those mindless MS haters. Did you even read about the survey?

Bing claims a 3rd party survey, but the results are filtered through Bing. Yep, sounds legit to me.

The results are not filtered through Bing. They are being reported by Bing. You are being ridiculous. All corporations at some point enlist third party research firms to do consumer research including Google. Even in this thread a high enough percentage of people are finding them equal or in some cases better. From what I see this is one of MS's better advertising campaigns whether you like it or not (and I admit many of their advertising campaigns have sucked).

Again I really only care about choices and monopolies or near monopolies in search. Why marketers want to pick one over the other is unfathomable. if it were 50/50 right now people would not be so distressed about Penguin or Panda. Choices make the market better - Blind hate at one company does nothing for the market but make it one company centric. So if anything I would think SEOs and marketers would want to see another search engine do well.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Weak. The survey did not just ask MS workers. You are sounding like one of those mindless MS haters. Did you even read about the survey?

The results are not filtered through Bing. They are being reported by Bing. You are being ridiculous. All corporations at some point enlist third party research firms to do consumer research including Google. Even in this thread a high enough percentage of people are finding them equal or in some cases better. From what I see this is one of MS's better advertising campaigns whether you like it or not (and I admit many of their advertising campaigns have sucked).

Again I really only care about choices and monopolies or near monopolies in search. Why marketers want to pick one over the other is unfathomable. if it were 50/50 right now people would not be so distressed about Penguin or Panda. Choices make the market better - Blind hate at one company does nothing for the market but make it one company centric. So if anything I would think SEOs and marketers would want to see another search engine do well.

C'mon man, weak?

That Bing crap is fake as can be, how's that for weak?

Don't drink the Kool-Aid.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

C'mon man, weak?

That Bing crap is fake as can be, how's that for weak?

Don't drink the Kool-Aid.

LOL MS haters are the last people who can talk about drinking the kool aid . I really don't care whose better I want to see a more levelplaying field so yeah I hope Bing makes inroads. I had a few minutes waiting on a customer and I did the test four times

Google won twice for me and Bing did twice. Which means for one persons query it can be diverse depending on keywords. One person getting a certain result doesn't mean anything about what is typical and you keep acting like because Google won for you its all "BS" which is well...."BS"

Fact is I well could have done my second search first and Bing would have won confirming the Survey to me at least.

All Bing really needs is for that to happen with even a third of the people and it would be a big success
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paulgl 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

According to Alexa, Facebook is now the visited website in the world. Google isn't guaranteed to be number one forever, even in search.

You forget that google is not just google.com,

FYI: Google owns
google.com
youtube
blogspot
google.co.in (India)
they run search for yahoo japan
google.com.hk (Hong Kong)
google.de (Germany)

Google has 7 in the top 20 worldwide.
Now compare that to facebook.

Google stock: $706 per share
Facebook: $18.98

Not sure why people continue with this facebook myth
about "most visited site." Meaningless.

Toss in all of google's search sites, google.de.
google.com.hk, google.co.in, yahoo japan, google.com,
those alone make facebook.com look like a dwarf.
Then you have to toss in aol.com, ask.com, etc, that
all use google search.

Google's footprint is like Goliath to an ant when compared
to facebook.

I have no idea why the FB hype is still alive here.
Reality has yet to sink in.

and how did you become the definer of what is typical?

The typical searcher has spoken. Google wins 70% of the time.

MS should can bing, start over. Yahoo has been a dog since
MS hijacked it.

Paul
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- Mike Anthony 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  The typical searcher has spoken. Google wins 70% of the time.
  
  MS should can bing, start over. Yahoo has been a dog since
  MS hijacked it.
  
  Paul
  
  If that crazy logic were applied to everything then we would only have one company in every market niche. Whenever companies have a 60 or percent share of a market the rest should all run away. This isn't about usage rates anyway. its about a blind test judging quality not popularity so you are still off. Look You know I know you from other threads on MS. You are a total hater of all things MS. It just doesn't make any sense in this scenario. frankly its silly unless you own Google or Apple in any scenario to fall deeply and madly in love or hate with something as soulless as a company.
  
  You keep whining about MS losing money in search. Who cares? they make money in alot of things and have a nice cash balance. People predicted all kinds of devastation in the Video game market then they pretty much stomped on Playstation. People like you (not you in particular) claimed they could never make a great OS and then Windows 7 came along and nearly burst all of your blood vessels when people loved it. Windows 8 and WIndows 8 tablets are about to drive you crazy again. Me I just use whatever tech works for my business. My names isn't Gates and He has enough money. But then again my name isn't cutts or sergey so what do I care about Google being the best.
  
  Marketers are being silly when they turn fan boys of one search company. Its always better to root for the market having choices and totally illogical to hope otherwise.
  
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  Zarathushtra 14 years ago
  
  Looks intriguing!
  4-1 for Bing in my test.
  
  Even if I have to say that the quality/relevance of the results was quite high and a couple of times I didn't know which one to choose.
  
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Riggs 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

According to Alexa, Facebook is now the visited website in the world. Google isn't guaranteed to be number one forever, even in search.

Maybe, though Bing can't be overly happy that the most searched for word in their search engine is "google".
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Beardo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

According to Alexa, Facebook is now the visited website in the world. Google isn't guaranteed to be number one forever, even in search.

I think this is a good gimmick. It forces people to at least think about search quality, and wonder if they need to stick with Google.

Correct there are no guarantees in life except for taxes and my wife's anger after I leave the fridge door open. For now, Google will remain number one. It would take a monumental cock-up for them to lose that position I think. Do you guys think it could happen ? What would it take ? I think MS have a lot of talented people but I don't think MS are skilled enough to find a way to surpass Google on service alone. If Google and Bing returned exactly the same results who would you use ? Correction - who would everyone who is not an SEO enthusiast use ? Probably Google right ...

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

To be fair, Bing does offer up a different list of recommended search phrases (different than Google suggested search phrases), I'm thinking of testing those different recommend Bing search phrases on Google SERPs for my own pages & see what happens with Google traffic.

The way I figure If Bing is getting hits for their recommend search phrases, surely Google SERPs get the same searches. We'll see...

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mosthost

14 years ago

It's a blind taste test. This is a tried and true marketing tactic to erode share from the market leader.

Bing It On Challenge - YouTube

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yukon Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

It's a blind taste test. This is a tried and true marketing tactic to erode share from the market leader.

Bing It On Challenge - YouTube

That video is a load of BS!

I picked all Google & didn't get anything more than an excuse why Bing lost.

I want my free Xbox (lol).
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Green Moon

14 years ago

When I took the test it was 1 for Bing, 2 for Google and 2 were a draw with substantially identical results. However, I have noticed recently that particularly once you get to page 2 or 3 and are looking past the obvious searches, Google tends to give me multiple pages of the same sites over and over while that happens much less in Bing. For example, if I am looking at a tax issue and want to find some analysis, I don't particularly want 7 or 8 out of 20 results pointing to different pages at irs.gov

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Green Moon

When I took the test it was 1 for Bing, 2 for Google and 2 were a draw with substantially identical results. However, I have noticed recently that particularly once you get to page 2 or 3 and are looking past the obvious searches, Google tends to give me multiple pages of the same sites over and over while that happens much less in Bing. For example, if I am looking at a tax issue and want to find some analysis, I don't particularly want 7 or 8 out of 20 results pointing to different pages at irs.gov

Wouldn't the IRS be the place to go for tax info.?

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UMS

14 years ago

As marketers, we should be looking at it from a marketing point of view. Whether you think Bing is better than Google or the other way round or just don't care, the main point is that Bing have generated a good viral campaign here and in all likelyhood is going to pick up some new converts.

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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by UMS

the main point is that Bing have generated a good viral campaign here and in all likelyhood is going to pick up some new converts.

and since this is in the SEO section I will point out - a really good example of link bait. The have all the techblogs, magazines and newspapers giving them lots of free exposure.
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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by UMS

As marketers, we should be looking at it from a marketing point of view. Whether you think Bing is better than Google or the other way round or just don't care, the main point is that Bing have generated a good viral campaign here and in all likelyhood is going to pick up some new converts.

If you look at the video posted above, you'll see that +50% Dislike the Bing video, that's a far cry from Bings claim of 2 to 1 prefer Bing over Google.

Then again that video is posted on a page that Bing doesn't own, what are the odds Bings numbers are off? Surely Bing wouldn't fudge their 2 to 1 numbers in Bings favor.

What I've seen is Bing shouldn't have posted a video of their so called challenge on a site like Youtube that allows real feedback.

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JamieSEO

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

If you look at the video posted above, you'll see that +50% Dislike the Bing video, that's a far cry from Bings claim of 2 to 1 prefer Bing over Google.

Then again that video is posted on a page that Bing doesn't own, what are the odds Bings numbers are off? Surely Bing wouldn't fudge their 2 to 1 numbers in Bings favor.

What I've seen is Bing shouldn't have posted a video of their so called challenge on a site like Youtube that allows real feedback.

Also wasn't smart to post to YouTube considering it is OWNED by Google! :rolleyes:

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JSProjects

14 years ago

Originally Posted by UMS

As marketers, we should be looking at it from a marketing point of view. Whether you think Bing is better than Google or the other way round or just don't care, the main point is that Bing have generated a good viral campaign here and in all likelyhood is going to pick up some new converts.

This. It's a fun little campaign and I'm not sure why so many people are hammering MS for doing it. And at the end of the day it's going to barely make a dent. But I'm definitely not going to blame MS for trying.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Surely you don't need more proof than this? Does that screenshot of the YT video Like/Dislike look like a 2 to 1 in Bings favor (didn't think so)?

It's laughable that Bing even has a Youtube Channel.

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UMS 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Surely you don't need more proof than this? Does that screenshot of the YT video Like/Dislike look like a 2 to 1 in Bings favor (didn't think so)?

Hardly a fair comparison as it's not a "blind" test. It's well known the YT likes/dislikes are very biased and not a particularly good indicator as to whether a video is really good or bad.

Just look at any videos where major brands are compared, eg: Coca Cola/Pepsi, Windows/Mac etc. The votes go according to people's allegiances.
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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Surely you don't need more proof than this?

Where? what proof? Martha you see what that boy talking about?

NO Harry All I see is a youtube video which is about 50/50 even though the comments tell you there are a whole lot of MS haters posting.

Yukon Youtube video likes and dislikes as proof? Come on. Like I said before- weeeaak. Most people never comment on a video and it tends to be haters and fanboys only.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Where? what proof? Martha you see what that boy talking about?

NO Harry All I see is a youtube video which is about 50/50 even though the comments tell you there are a whole lot of MS haters posting.

Yukon Youtube video likes and dislikes as proof? Come on. Like I said before- weeeaak. Most people never comment on a video and it tends to be haters and fanboys only.

The only thing weak is your Bing defense.

We both know that Bing video is proof, I'm just the guy to admit it. How long you going to hang on to that kool-Aid?

Surely you don't think a roughly 50/50 mix on the video Like/Dislike is a 2 to 1 in Bings favor. Gee Beaver your math doesn't look right.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

The only thing weak is your Bing defense.

I have no defense of Bing . google is my search engine of choice. Since reading abilities evade you at times I will say it again - I am in favor of more choices in the marketplace. You and Paul (who goes to the ridiculous point of claiming that one of the only competitors with the pockets to last long enough to challenge google should withdraw :rolleyes

however are fanboys of one.

Surely you don't think a roughly 50/50 mix on the video Like/Dislike is a 2 to 1 in Bings favor. Gee Beaver your math doesn't look right.

As another poster has pointed out using youtube likes and dislikes is a perfectly asinine(my words not his) way of determining anything as the vast majority of viewers never respond to either like or dislike (a fact demonstrated if you even look at the numbers in your own example and apply basic maths) but mostly kiddies, fanboys and haters do.

The total silliness of your logic is revealed by the fact that you claim a study done by an independent research firm outside of MS property should be dismissed because it is reported by MS but then turn right around and point to "like and dislikes" that take place directly inside Google's property as proof positive and authoritative.

Hypocritical logic much?

You just pretty much defined what sucking on the Kool aid means or its close counter part - hatorade.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I have no defense of Bing . google is my search engine of choice. Since reading abilities evade you at times I will say it again - I am in favor of more choices in the marketplace. You and Paul (who goes to the ridiculous point of claiming that one of the only competitors with the pockets to last long enough to challenge google should withdraw :rolleyes

however are fanboys of one.

As another poster has pointed out using youtube likes and dislikes is a perfectly asinine(my words not his) way of determining anything as the vast majority of viewers never respond to either like or dislike (a fact demonstrated if you even look at the numbers in your own example and apply basic maths) but mostly kiddies, fanboys and haters do.

The total silliness of your logic is revealed by the fact that you claim a study done by an independent research firm outside of MS property should be dismissed because it is reported by MS but then turn right around and point to "like and dislikes" that take place directly inside Google's property as proof positive and authoritative.

Hypocritical logic much?

You just pretty much defined what sucking on the Kool aid means or its close counter part - hatorade.

Gee whiz Beaver, you always want proof, you get proof, & still hang on to that Kool-Aid.

Hang in there...

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edpudol1973

14 years ago

If this can be tested/used by none SEO and IMer people I guess you can get more accurate result

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Many SEO And IM people knew which of the two result are google result and bing result. Sometimes this influence their answer.

If they love google they will select google result if they hate google they will select Bing result

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whland

14 years ago

I don't really like bing. I prefer to use google.

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elperuanito

14 years ago

I got Google 5x. Google seemed to give me more results from forums, which I prefer. For example if I search for something about SEO or web development I'd rather read about it on a forum (or I just check an SEO blog I already know about). Bing didn't give me any forum results.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by elperuanito

I got Google 5x. Google seemed to give me more results from forums, which I prefer. For example if I search for something about SEO or web development I'd rather read about it on a forum (or I just check an SEO blog I already know about). Bing didn't give me any forum results.

See thats a key right there too. It highly subjective to what you in particular like. For most of my searches what I DON"T want are forums because frankly most of the people posting in forums know about as much as I do before I search.

One thing I think any objective person will take away though is that in most cases the results are not that hugely different. A lot of the time I found myself picking on some of those same subjective factors to make a decision and there were cases where 8 out of the ten results were the same pages.

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DeskCoder

14 years ago

For all those hating on Bing, and wanting MS to throw in the towel ... look at the Xbox. They lost tons of money when it first came out, but they stuck with it and now they have the #1 gaming console.

As a MS software developer, I know I may be bias, but I dare anyone to pick up a Windows Phone and tell me it isn't the best phone they have ever used. You name ANY new feature on the iPhone or Android, and the Windows Phone already has it.

Haters gonna hate.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by DeskCoder

For all those hating on Bing, and wanting MS to throw in the towel ... look at the Xbox. They lost tons of money when it first came out, but they stuck with it and now they have the #1 gaming console.

As a MS software developer, I know I may be bias, but I dare anyone to pick up a Windows Phone and tell me it isn't the best phone they have ever used. You name ANY new feature on the iPhone or Android, and the Windows Phone already has it.

Haters gonna hate.

Lets see, Xbox..., SERPs..., I missed the connection? :confused:

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Rod888

14 years ago

Some of my keywords rank high on bing yet not so high on google. Now that yahoo is out of the picture, it's really between google and bing. I think google covers the web in more ways than one, and bing will face an uphill battle longterm. Google just does so many things better, especially gmail! Like others have said, MS has tons of money, but then again, so does Google.

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Oranges

14 years ago

Bing kicked some serious A$$ in all 5 rounds for me...

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aadi144

14 years ago

Google Wins for me.Whatever i need to search i just Google it On BING it On.

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boxoun

14 years ago

Bing wins because everyone is talking about it. Gj Bing way to fight.

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Riggs

14 years ago

Am I the only one that can't access this challenge you all speak of? Every time I visit the links provided I get redirected to the standard Bing homepage.

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JamieSEO

14 years ago

While I am not a fan of Bing, they have been increasing their share of the search engine market recently.

It would be nice to see the field a bit more competitive.

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Trabalhodigital

14 years ago

Google is doing plenty of BS
- Penguin
- Banning people from adsense for no reason

I doubt they pass Facebook from now on

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Seatbelt99

14 years ago

Bing 3, Google 2 for me.

I've been using Bing for the majority of my searches for a while now, but still use Google for some. They are both excellent tools.

Anytime you have an irrational 'love' for a company that you don't have a vested interest in you should reevaluate your opinion. Choose the search engine that can most benefit YOU, not for the love or hate you feel for the company.

This campaign has also been on commercials for TV as well so they are doing it in far more places than just MS owned properties. I think it will get them some new users, good for them.

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