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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

Put your head between your legs and kiss your a** goodbye everyone

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zaco 13 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

Put your head between your legs and kiss you a** goodbye everyone

lol well depending on Google is dangerous and this is one of the last sites that I am dealing with..I really don't care but I want to see the impact because Google said its impacting only 0.3% of the English sites
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13 years ago

My rankings have jumped, so I'm happy.

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Nelapsi

13 years ago

I think it has been hitting for a few hours.. I have been experiencing record high traffic.

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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

Congrats to the winners and my condolences to those on the losing end. With two Google updates each and every day of the year, it's tough to get excited anymore.

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jfambrini

13 years ago

Google will keep updating until all those who can afford to pay buy ads from them. Getting relevant organic results is getting more and more difficult with each passing update.

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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jfambrini

Google will keep updating until all those who can afford to pay buy ads from them. Getting relevant organic results is getting more and more difficult with each passing update.

Google has redesigned their web page to de-emphasize the organic search so much that the traffic sources keep dwindling too. It's pay for play time.

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Nelapsi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jfambrini

Google will keep updating until all those who can afford to pay buy ads from them. Getting relevant organic results is getting more and more difficult with each passing update.

Actually it is very very easy to get solid consistent organic traffic from Google, every update is like getting a few high PR links for free.

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Elle Holder 13 years ago

Hmm. There was a Panda refresh on 9/18 and then an update 10 days later. Now we have a Penguin refresh. Wonder when the "jolting and jarring" Penguin update will be?

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manishak 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nelapsi

Actually it is very very easy to get solid consistent organic traffic from Google, every update is like getting a few high PR links for free.

Really? Do you have a strategy for that? Please share it with us. And please don't say 'write great content'. As we are doing that only.
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- wolfmmiii 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by manishak
  
  Really? Do you have a strategy for that? Please share it with us. And please don't say 'write great content'. As we are doing that only.
  
  Write great content AND target keywords & products that a million other people are not. Really, that's all I do. There are many others who have taken my lead and started doing exactly this and they are seeing awesome results, despite the latest round of updates.
  
  EDIT: Looked at your laptop site. With so much advertising above the fold, you are asking for trouble.
  
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- Nelapsi 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by manishak
  
  Really? Do you have a strategy for that? Please share it with us. And please don't say 'write great content'. As we are doing that only.
  
  Seriously this is all I do 3 times each week:
  1. Article: about 500 words, 1 - 2 images, 500-3000 kw search, 1 mil comp
  2. Facebook and Twitter account for the website: Each article gets a link
  3. Follow Like: Use if this not only gets you traffic, indexed very fast and if you targeted your article correctly it will high rank in the SERP.
  
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jfambrini

13 years ago

What is your secret?

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jfambrini

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nelapsi

Seriously.. you would be shocked and not believe me if I told you.. *laughs*

1. January I picked a name for a website, the name as very little to do with the topic mostly because I was aiming at especially a long term site.

2. Created a facebook and twitter page for the site

3. Have an account at Follow Like and social bookmarking accounts for it to aim too.

4. I write 3 articles a week, each has an image. (I never release all three on the same day)
4a. Each article I make a facebook and twitter post
4b. Add the link to Follow Like.

Repeat like clock work.

Article Research, all of the tools I use are free tools.
Keyword Spy
Google Search
*Sometimes will use Adwords, I opened an account just to do research but never used it for anything else*
I pick a desired topic to write about and then drill down until I find something that gets about 3k searches and around 1 mil in competition.

Base Article Format
1 image
Keyword in the title (H1 Tag), first sentence, last sentence and related partial keywords in sub sections of the article using H2 tags
I start with a goal of 500 words but if it is 400 who cares, 700 who cares. I let the topic decide the length.

That is all I do.
This site gets 1.5k unique visitors each day at this moment and grows steadily each week and each update.

Thanks for sharing. Didn't know articles still worked.

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Nelapsi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by jfambrini

Thanks for sharing. Didn't know articles still worked.

If you mean articles as in your website content then "still works" is a huge understatement. It has taken me months to figure out the right things to do but at the same time can be completed with minimal work/time. This allows me to get to what is important, the content. I have tried different sites, methods, ways to backlink and such but each had their own little downfall.

Just thought of something else I do which helps.. will add to the above post to keep it all in one post
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Chris Silvey 13 years ago

They are not going to stop till Wikepedia, blogspot.com and youtube.com dominate the first 20 pages of search results.
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zaco

13 years ago

Honestly I got sick from depending on Google, I only look at 1 website and once I lose all the rankings then I am done with it. I believe the amount and effort we put is not worth it..if I really want to make real money then I need to create a real product and depend on "word of mouth" which is the best marketing technique

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BKKBound

13 years ago

I'm experiencing increases across a range of client sites in the serps.

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BKKBound

13 years ago

Actually, I dont believe it was an algorithmic update but rather a data refresh which isnt the same thing. To answer your question though, I have 1 site that is bouncing around but almost everything else is fairly stable at the point in time.

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GGpaul

13 years ago

Update on my end: Traffic is looking good. What can I say? I have really good mentors that I didn't pay a single dime for. YAYUH!!!!!!

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Nelapsi

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Update on my end: Traffic is looking good. What can I say? I have really good mentors that I didn't pay a single dime for. YAYUH!!!!!!

While I have never had a mentor nor paid but I do own a lot of thanks to everyone who has ever posted. I take that info with research in google plus a lot of testing and trying different stuff to find a success

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GGpaul

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nelapsi

While I have never had a mentor nor paid but I do own a lot of thanks to everyone who has ever posted. I take that info with research in google plus a lot of testing and trying different stuff to find a success

With the amount of times that I bugged Yukon and Paulgl, they are definitely my mentors. lol.

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tyang

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

Update on my end: Traffic is looking good. What can I say? I have really good mentors that I didn't pay a single dime for. YAYUH!!!!!!

Care to share some tips for those of us who aren't as fortunate to have any mentors

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wolfmmiii

13 years ago

Originally Posted by tyang

Care to share some tips for those of us who aren't as fortunate to have any mentors

Its rather easy actually. Do what others are not. For example, I (and GGPaul, among others) target Amazon products that nobody else is promoting. I promote these products on a branded domain.

Since I don't do any manual backlinking, I typically avoid Penguin-like penalties.

Since my content is good, Panda usually leaves me alone.

Since I target low competition stuff, I generally index and rank on page one within minutes for sites that are at least a few days old.

Since my traffic is targeted, my conversions are usually very good.

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remodeler

13 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

Its rather easy actually. Do what others are not. For example, I (and GGPaul, among others) target Amazon products that nobody else is promoting. I promote these products on a branded domain.

Since I don't do any manual backlinking, I typically avoid Penguin-like penalties.

Since my content is good, Panda usually leaves me alone.

Since I target low competition stuff, I generally index and rank on page one within minutes for sites that are at least a few days old.

Since my traffic is targeted, my conversions are usually very good.

Man, there you go again telling people the truth that they don't want to hear. You know you're going to get hammered for that!

Very few will take this advice, and unfortunately many continue to complain with every passing Google update.

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GGpaul 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tyang

Care to share some tips for those of us who aren't as fortunate to have any mentors

Well, one trick is don't be afraid to ask. Just make sure you ask the ones that know wth they're talking about. Wolfmmiii, Yukon, Nest, Mike ANthony, Paulgl etc. etc.

You can even ask that Alexa Smith chick, I'm scared of her though >.<.

You want some tips? Simple but HARD to do: Make a site that people will enjoy. And something that you love.
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backlinkneeded

13 years ago

hehehe. I dont know how I ended up here cause I stopped caring for Google as Google dont give a shit for me. So yah I just focus on high quality. Screw Google.

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seosoldier

13 years ago

Originally Posted by backlinkneeded

hehehe. I dont know how I ended up here cause I stopped caring for Google as Google dont give a shit for me. So yah I just focus on high quality. Screw Google.

If you don't care about google you must have a business that makes good money without google ranking!

Those of us who depend on google for ranking CAN'T stop caring about google.

(Yes I know: we need to get our traffic elsewhere... Easier said than done.)

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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

Actually I think it won't get much worse:

- EMD benefit is gone
- Poor grammar/spelling will hurt you
- Excessive use of affiliate links or advertisements punishes you
- No anchor variety will bite you
- Poor distribution of low pr vs high pr will get you screwed

5 simple rules to follow people, how hard can it be?

We're just dealing with an algorithm, not some super human!

Actually it can be hard cause everyone depends on:

- the EMD bonus
- $5 articles
- poor monetizing skills
- only focusing on 1 keyword per site
- software that only creates pr n/a links

Now the solution:

- use branded domains
- run your articles through grammar/spelling check tools
- don't use affiliate links on your homepage and/or limit it to max 2 links per page
- build somewhat larger sites with 20+ pages so you can target more keywords
- start buying expired domains to get high PR links or buy them from services if it's to much work

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Nelapsi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

We're just dealing with an algorithm, not some super human!

Actually not even dealing with a stupid human.. just an algorithm
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- mentormatt8 13 years ago
  
  Nelapsi, Congratulations! You have not mentioned monetization. How do you monetize your sites?
  
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  Originally Posted by mentormatt8
  
  Nelapsi, Congratulations! You have not mentioned monetization. How do you monetize your sites?
  
  This has/is successful with both Adsense and affiliate based income methods
  
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Ernie Lo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by nik0

Now the solution:

- use branded domains
- run your articles through grammar/spelling check tools
- don't use affiliate links on your homepage and/or limit it to max 2 links per page
- build somewhat larger sites with 20+ pages so you can target more keywords
- start buying expired domains to get high PR links or buy them from services if it's to much work

I think you're talking out of your you know what

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My friends web design site had all of that and he still got wiped out.

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OneManSEO 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Ernie Lo

I think you're talking out of your you know what
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My friends web design site had all of that and he still got wiped out.

Did you're friend also have a few hundred footer links like most web design companies do?

That's an old one, but still a good one.
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seosoldier

13 years ago

I have an exact match domain and I lost rankings on 4 keywords that were on p1. They didn't just drop but went from p1 to beyond page 30!

This is what p*sses me off about google. It's one thing to lower your rankings, but quite another to take your rankings and completely obliterate them.

Another thing: Google COULD tell people ahead of time: "Look, this is what we're trying to minimize or eliminate and we're going to put out an algorithm change dealing with it in 2 months. So in the interest of cleaning up what we don't like, here's what this is about..."

But no, they'd rather just completely EFF you and have you wake up one day and find your income-producing site is now gone.

Now, with this latest effing of my site, this is a GOOD page. It has no spam. It has information - accurate information about water filters, comparing them and letting an intelligent consumer make his/her choice based on facts, data, reviews and so on.

So why would google punish such a site just because I happen to have given it an exact match domain?

And here's the really WEIRD part! : The keyword of the EMD is the ONLY keyword that did NOT get yanked. It's the other keywords - of much higher traffic - that were obliterated from the SERPS.

Gawd, I can't tell you how much I hate google. And not just for this but for many things. Don't even get me started!

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by seosoldier

Another thing: Google COULD tell people ahead of time: "Look, this is what we're trying to minimize or eliminate and we're going to put out an algorithm change dealing with it in 2 months. So in the interest of cleaning up what we don't like, here's what this is about..."

But no, they'd rather just completely EFF you and have you wake up one day and find your income-producing site is now gone.

Actually, Google had indicated about a year ago that they were looking at a solution to the EMD problem.

As far as other major updates, Google has pretty much always preached that spammy backlinks and poor content are a bad idea. Panda and Penguin just brought the algorithm more in line with what they had always been stating.

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carljohn

13 years ago

This update sure killed my sites.

Anyone care to explain what's a data refresh? How often does it happen? Does google re-evaluate your site and your link profile to determine whether to penalize your site or not?

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intergen

13 years ago

Here is a post about the new algo update from SEOmoz

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mentormatt8

13 years ago

Wolffmmii, If noone is promoting an Amazon product, that usually means it has few buyers, and few exact match searches. How do you find buyers then?

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wolfmmiii 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mentormatt8

Wolffmmii, If noone is promoting an Amazon product, that usually means it has few buyers, and few exact match searches. How do you find buyers then?

I don't care about exact match searches. I never even look at keyword tools. The number of buyers is not related to the number of people promoting any given product. I post product reviews and most of them rank very easily. Some will get lots of traffic and some will get none. In the end, I get lots of targeted traffic that converts.
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13 years ago

How do you know this for sure?

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zaco

13 years ago

I noticed blogspot and epinions/consumer reports are taking over many positions so Google gave them more authority even tho some of them pay for ads...I am not complaining since if I am using Google and they offer the service for free then I have no right to tell them what to do

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gameutopia

13 years ago

It is getting difficult to keep up with all the Google updates and changes they keep roll out. One day Google is cool with something, and the next they decide otherwise. What or when will the next fairly big change happen? Who knows. They keep us guessing that's for sure.

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wolfmmiii

13 years ago

Originally Posted by gameutopia

It is getting difficult to keep up with all the Google updates and changes they keep roll out. One day Google is cool with something, and the next they decide otherwise. What or when will the next fairly big change happen? Who knows. They keep us guessing that's for sure.

There really is nothing to keep up with. When I first explained to GGPaul how I was doing things, he was a bit skeptical as are most people but in the end, he had some faith and ran with what I was telling him. He is very successful with it now.

What did I tell him?

I told him:

to target low-comp products because since nobody else is promoting those, Google is practically begging for content for those products.
to provide helpful content and not even necessarily lots of it. A few hundred words is usually sufficient. The content he provides should help the user and make the user want to come back again.
to stick with niches he knows. If you know nothing about hammer drills, you can't possibly provide any kind of valuable information or opinions.
to stop worrying about backlinks and worry about content instead.
to post content consistently to keep the spiders coming back frequently.

He followed this advice to a "T" and is now reaping the rewards.

Do these same things and there is nothing from Google to "keep up with". You are doing exactly what they've been asking for for years.

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jovykhan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

There really is nothing to keep up with. When I first explained to GGPaul how I was doing things, he was a bit skeptical as are most people but in the end, he had some faith and ran with what I was telling him. He is very successful with it now.

What did I tell him?

I told him:

to target low-comp products because since nobody else is promoting those, Google is practically begging for content for those products.
to provide helpful content and not even necessarily lots of it. A few hundred words is usually sufficient. The content he provides should help the user and make the user want to come back again.
to stick with niches he knows. If you know nothing about hammer drills, you can't possibly provide any kind of valuable information or opinions.
to stop worrying about backlinks and worry about content instead.
to post content consistently to keep the spiders coming back frequently.

He followed this advice to a "T" and is now reaping the rewards.

Do these same things and there is nothing from Google to "keep up with". You are doing exactly what they've been asking for for years.

This must be the information I've been looking for. Thanks for this wolfmmiii!

I have created an Amazon review site but it got hit a little with the EMD and now Penguin 3 it totally lost in serps. The content was an exact copy from Amazon but I still got long tail traffic to my niche.

to target low-comp products because since nobody else is promoting those, Google is practically begging for content for those products.

Can you further explain to us/me? Maybe you can send me a pm.

I'm totally hopeless with this update.

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Berkinb

13 years ago

I can 100% back this up based on my own experience. The key is really in your content these days. The more, the merrier.

It's up to a point that I really don't bother with creating links anymore. I spend all my time and effort for our sites, not chasing links out there and it's paying off.

Originally Posted by wolfmmiii

There really is nothing to keep up with. When I first explained to GGPaul how I was doing things, he was a bit skeptical as are most people but in the end, he had some faith and ran with what I was telling him. He is very successful with it now.

What did I tell him?

I told him:

to target low-comp products because since nobody else is promoting those, Google is practically begging for content for those products.
to provide helpful content and not even necessarily lots of it. A few hundred words is usually sufficient. The content he provides should help the user and make the user want to come back again.
to stick with niches he knows. If you know nothing about hammer drills, you can't possibly provide any kind of valuable information or opinions.
to stop worrying about backlinks and worry about content instead.
to post content consistently to keep the spiders coming back frequently.

He followed this advice to a "T" and is now reaping the rewards.

Do these same things and there is nothing from Google to "keep up with". You are doing exactly what they've been asking for for years.

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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Berkinb

I can 100% back this up based on my own experience. The key is really in your content these days. The more, the merrier.

It's up to a point that I really don't bother with creating links anymore. I spend all my time and effort for our sites, not chasing links out there and it's paying off.

So the types of pages you're creating are basically unique? The reason most people build backlinks to their pages is because the page is based on keywords and there are already many competing pages. So how are you coming up with what to write about?

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seoexperttools

13 years ago

Code:

https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/254335294063656960

The change only affect 0.3% of all websites. Well, that means 99.9% of websites belongs to WF members will be affected. Everybody start whining now.

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aadi144

13 years ago

My rankings has gone up with every new update.So i don't want to play a blame game.

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iLuvCash

13 years ago

My sites ranking has increased 2 positions up. Not much of a difference still getting 400-450 visitors a day. also its weird my other site has dropped to the second page.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Got my fingers crossed. My sites and client sites are either holding or moving up . About half are just like any other day though.

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retsek

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Got my fingers crossed.

Don't forget to clench the butt cheeks too

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GGpaul

You want some tips? Simple but HARD to do: Make a site that people will enjoy. And something that you love.

Whatever you do don't listen to GG. Some people just like to pretend/front. All his sites probably tanked.

Yo G didn't i tell you you were going to get in trouble with the girlfriend? Don't even front Its 9:45 in Cali on a Friday night and here you are posting in a forum. we all know what that means - It aint the same hugging your laptop though bro. It doesn't matter what your desktop background is or that you made the laptop pink and scented it. Why? cause you put WF before the girl after you had that long thread saying goodbye. What was it like two weeks and you were right back posting on your one true red love? The GF must a threw that ring back at you like a relief pitcher on his one big break looking for one more out....so now you are all alone on date night

Nice picture of you and your sister though. lol.

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Don't forget to clench the butt cheeks too

Really? I know sometimes people blurt out something but you thought about that then actually decided to type it out? Some strange people on WF tonight but umm no thanks I'll just cross my fingers sites will go up even more.

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GGpaul

13 years ago

By all means, do NOT listen to me. I'm not at 1,000 posts yet. Better listen to someone that's still focused on web 2.0 properties using Xanga, Tumblr and blast feeding it with stuff like "hello, hi, I like the {keyword insert} here."

It's 11:34 PM, we are in a long distant relationship

. I'm on the forum, so she can go watch her favorite TV shows like Peewee Herman or something.

I can't help it, WF just gives me more love. Yeah, my sister is nice to me.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Whatever you do don't listen to GG. Some people just like to pretend/front. All his sites probably tanked.

Yo G didn't i tell you you were going to get in trouble with the girlfriend? Don't even front Its 9:45 in Cali on a Friday night and here you are posting in a forum. we all know what that means - It aint the same hugging your laptop though bro. It doesn't matter what your desktop background is or that you made the laptop pink and scented it. Why? cause you put WF before the girl after you had that long thread saying goodbye. What was it like two weeks and you were right back posting on your one true red love? The GF must a threw that ring back at you like a relief pitcher on his one big break looking for one more out....so now you are all alone on date night

Nice picture of you and your sister though. lol.

Really? I know sometimes people blurt out something but you thought about that then actually decided to type it out? Some strange people on WF tonight but umm no thanks I'll just cross my fingers sites will go up even more.

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blayis

13 years ago

It's nothing new to me because Google keeps updating from the day I started Internet marketing and I always notice up and downs for my all of my sites.

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Oranges

13 years ago

Headless chickens on their way.

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BKKBound 13 years ago

LOL your right about that!

Anyway, it would also appear that they have targeted a few different linking schemes like Spam Gone Wild. So if you have blasted your site with that its likely your experiencing changes in the serps.
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soniamit

13 years ago

your website improve ranks if you build back-links as per Google guideline.

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Oranges 13 years ago

Originally Posted by soniamit

your website improve ranks if you build back-links as per Google guideline.

Don't tell me you learned that in some SEO Diploma Course?
Errrrrr.....Headless chickens!
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makemoneyinlife

13 years ago

so what is this update all about? what do we need to watch out for?

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Berkinb

13 years ago

They are all product reviews mate. But all are well researched; we don't allow "beating around the bush" type of content. We look at what the consumers ask and talk about each product and focus our reviews on those points.

The sites generally start slow, but after a certain number of posts and around the 1-1.5 month mark, they gain traction. In the end, the site ends up with 100s of keywords on top 10 without a single link (except for Onlywire, which I assume is what Wolf is also using).

Like Wolf, I don't look at keywords at all; just focus on products and creating good reviews.

PS: And our reviews are not 1000+ word reviews, we generally use reviews between 300-500 words that focus on the important stuff without any filler text.

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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Berkinb

They are all product reviews mate. But all are well researched; we don't allow "beating around the bush" type of content. We look at what the consumers ask and talk about each product and focus our reviews on those points.

The sites generally start slow, but after a certain number of posts and around the 1-1.5 month mark, they gain traction. In the end, the site ends up with 100s of keywords on top 10 without a single link (except for Onlywire, which I assume is what Wolf is also using).

Like Wolf, I don't look at keywords at all; just focus on products and creating good reviews.

PS: And our reviews are not 1000+ word reviews, we generally use reviews between 300-500 words that focus on the important stuff without any filler text.

Got it. Now I see why you don't need links. I assume you're targeting new products or if they're existing products, a different angle. Like "Anyone tried the Model X yet?" etc. Thanks for the insight. I've never really messed with Amazon but you guys are making it sound almost too easy

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Berkinb

13 years ago

I go for both new and popular products mate. And no new angle except for well researched and to-the-point reviews.

It's easy because you focus on your own property rather than chasing links. So, everything we do adds to the power and the authority of the sites (as it gets more and more relevant, no-BS) content.

This way, at least, I end up having sites that I can be proud of

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Got it. Now I see why you don't need links. I assume you're targeting new products or if they're existing products, a different angle. Like "Anyone tried the Model X yet?" etc. Thanks for the insight. I've never really messed with Amazon but you guys are making it sound almost too easy

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wolfmmiii

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Berkinb

I go for both new and popular products mate. And no new angle except for well researched and to-the-point reviews.

It's easy because you focus on your own property rather than chasing links. So, everything we do adds to the power and the authority of the sites (as it gets more and more relevant, no-BS) content.

This way, at least, I end up having sites that I can be proud of

If I didn't know any better, I would have sworn "I" wrote this post. Berkinb is spot on. It's exactly what I do.

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Berkinb 13 years ago

Wolf, I have been thinking the same thing seeing how we write the same things a few seconds apart on two different threads ))

By the way, I got the initial idea of creating such sites from you, so the real credit is yours

I just added my own small twists to that.

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If I didn't know any better, I would have sworn "I" wrote this post. Berkinb is spot on. It's exactly what I do.
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wolfmmiii 13 years ago

Originally Posted by PerformanceMan

you guys are making it sound almost too easy

It's easy work actually. I try to spend an hour or two per day posting reviews. Since they are shorter (as mentioned above), they are easier to write. The hardest part is formatting the reviews but I have my own plugins that do that for me.
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Warock

Banned 13 years ago

Can anyone prove EMD benefit is gone? There are many debates around in the internet marketing forum but... answer is??....

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vikashgiri

13 years ago

Hello,
yes Penguin 3 update and many effect on website who use low quality links and content.

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PerformanceMan

13 years ago

One last question, just so I absorb all the needed info. If you were targeting this products: Donut Shop Medium Roast, K-Cup for Keurig Brewers, what would your 'keyword focus' be on and what would the title be?

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Berkinb

13 years ago

My titles would be Donut Shop Medium Roast Reviews and K-Cup for Keurig Brewers Review. Then I'd use variations of those as H2 and H3, etc.

I wouldn't target any specific keywords, but probably end up getting traffic from a lot of keywords like K-Cup reviews, K-Cup for Keurig reviews, etc. At least that has been the case with all our reviews so far.

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One last question, just so I absorb all the needed info. If you were targeting this products: Donut Shop Medium Roast, K-Cup for Keurig Brewers, what would your 'keyword focus' be on and what would the title be?

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13 years ago

Hahaha another Penguin update! What's next??

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HorseStall

13 years ago

It would appear the only EMD sites that took a hit also had thin content, though it still may be too early to tell for sure.

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Nikster

13 years ago

So, I have a domain name matched to my main keyword. I have thick content around that keyword, plus the name of the business is the keyword. My website dropped not only from page one, for this specific word, but from the #1 spot to.. page 28. The keyword has around 90k local searches a month, it's a local business. In addition, my website dropped from first page for 50+ keywords. There are maybe a couple of keywords that placed themselves on page 2. Everything else page 10+. Interestingly enough, I have no backlinks for 99% of those keywords. I have content, that I wrote myself and posted on the website. I am not hug on SEO. I have read a whole lot of books, I do my on page SEO and I don't spam. The rest of my competitors have...20,000+ backlinks...if you follow some of them you get the PR 1 web forum posts or blog comments that make no sense "hi, i love your post BUY CHEAP DOG FOOD on quantum mechanics...". I have.. around 260 backlinks.
I guess I am just blowing off steam, i wouldn't really call this a constructive post. My website, is an online store, if that matters. Seeing the garbage that my competitors do, SEO wise, I don't understand what google really punishes with their updates. Why didn't I drop a couple of positions, but 10s of pages? I am starting to think that this is personal. Maybe I bullied Larry Page as a kid, i don't know.
Is there a way to recover from this? Should I just register a new domain name and begin ranking for it? Sell the business?

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seosoldier

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Nikster

So, I have a domain name matched to my main keyword. I have thick content around that keyword, plus the name of the business is the keyword. My website dropped not only from page one, for this specific word, but from the #1 spot to.. page 28. The keyword has around 90k local searches a month, it's a local business. In addition, my website dropped from first page for 50+ keywords. There are maybe a couple of keywords that placed themselves on page 2. Everything else page 10+. Interestingly enough, I have no backlinks for 99% of those keywords. I have content, that I wrote myself and posted on the website. I am not hug on SEO. I have read a whole lot of books, I do my on page SEO and I don't spam. The rest of my competitors have...20,000+ backlinks...if you follow some of them you get the PR 1 web forum posts or blog comments that make no sense "hi, i love your post BUY CHEAP DOG FOOD on quantum mechanics...". I have.. around 260 backlinks.
I guess I am just blowing off steam, i wouldn't really call this a constructive post. My website, is an online store, if that matters. Seeing the garbage that my competitors do, SEO wise, I don't understand what google really punishes with their updates. Why didn't I drop a couple of positions, but 10s of pages? I am starting to think that this is personal. Maybe I bullied Larry Page as a kid, i don't know.
Is there a way to recover from this? Should I just register a new domain name and begin ranking for it? Sell the business?

I sympathize and empathize.
I think it's kind of arrogant for those who are NOT hit by an algorithm change to just assume that everyone who was hit, deserved to be hit. That was not the case with Penguin and it is not the case with this one.

My sites always have well written content which I spend hours putting together, yet one site was KILLED by Penguin (apparently due to some bad backlinks a SEO co. made for me but I thought they were white hat, only to find out they weren't. But penguin was supposed to be about "web spam" which my sites were not. (Maybe the links were though.)

But this time one of my sites was killed again and that site had no spammy links and has great content, but google apparently decided to punish me ONLY because of an exact match domain...?!

To those who have not been hit: Google sucks and I imagine that if you have not been hurt by google yet, some day you will be. When you are, you won't like hearing people say "you deserved it", especially if you didn't.

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webjedi 13 years ago

I read a lot of terrible stories but people that *sound* like they have created a pretty damn good site. Personally I don't think it's quite settled yet and there may be a moderate pendulum back for the *good* sites.

I think the people high-fiving themselves right now are fools, this stuff ain't over yet.

Thanks for all the intel on how to build review sites .. that will be deindexed next year.. but I will build a few and see what I can earn until that time.

I have already bought my branded domain back in early Sept. I will try to hold out until the turn of the year to switch it over ..

Hope some people start seeing some recovery late this week.
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latrice17

13 years ago

Does anyone else use Google Webmaster tools to see what the average position is for the keywords you are targeting?

My site lost its rankings at the end of September, but in Google Webmaster tools, it still has my keywords listed as being in the positions they were in before my rankings dropped.

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Elle Holder

13 years ago

Originally Posted by latrice17

Does anyone else use Google Webmaster tools to see what the average position is for the keywords you are targeting?

My site lost its rankings at the end of September, but in Google Webmaster tools, it still has my keywords listed as being in the positions they were in before my rankings dropped.

WMT defaults to a range of a month, so you're still seeing your average over the last month. if your ranking dropped end of Sept, change your range from that date on. Look to the right, near the top.

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Mantasmo

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Elle Holder

WMT defaults to a range of a month, so you're still seeing your average over the last month. if your ranking dropped end of Sept, change your range from that date on. Look to the right, near the top.

Yup. I get this question so much it's not funny... set the f****** ranges correctly, lol.

Great update so far! After having half of my portfolio wiped out in April it's really good to not have lost a single page/site this time around (and that includes Panda/EMD/Penguin). I was dreading this update waiting for something to go wrong somewhere. F*** yeah wooohooooooooooooooooooo!

Now it's time for me to build a real business. F*** yeah once again, lol. And one more time f*** f***** yeah! Seed monies <3

edit: <3 WF word replacement stuff. Seriously.

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jtuttlechiro

13 years ago

My SEO Specialist is Awesome! I got #1 and #2 Position on this new Algorithm! Yeah Boy!

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Banned 13 years ago

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Berkinb 13 years ago

It's not useless at all. It just gave you your 13rd link to your CCTV site. Expect sudden surge of traffic from Google very shortly.

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Nelapsi 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Saaame

Useless Thread Wasting My time

You probably should be reading every thread ever created based on what I see...
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wolfmmiii

13 years ago

I'm not sure there is anyone high-fiving. You sound bitter.

I'm not sure why you think review sites would be de-indexed but you are entitled to your opinion.

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