Advice for everyone who buys links

by tomaz
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I've been buying links for quite some time via this topic Warrior Reciprocal Links - Buy - Sell - Swap! . I've come to a conclusion that there is not too-many fair link-sellers there. People are selling links on supposed PR7 or PR8 sites, but when you do the manual backlinks check, you can see the site only has a few PR0 and PR1 links. I have already had a situation where supposed PR8 site did not have one single backlink! The life-time price of a link on this site was $100, while the real value of a link from such site is less than $1.

By writing this, I want to alert all the WarriorForum members to always do the manual backlinks check prior to buying some. Google is calculating PageRank in real-time, so the supposed PR7 or PR8 site without one single backlink are actually PR0 values. The number that you see in Google Toolbar is only a logged data on the day that PR update happened. The actual PR is often different.
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  • Profile picture of the author pusan
    Thanks for your share.Well I would love to build backlinks myself rather than buying them. If still you are going to buy backlinks from a site you should check deeply the types of contents it has and the condition of its inner pages. Just dont waste your money by buying links on Fake page rank pages that has no value.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      Opensiteexplorer.org allows you to do 3 free searches per day, check out the DA/PA/Mozrank stats there

      MajesticSEO allows you to do like 50 searches a day when you register a free account (without registering about 5/day), check out the Citation Flow and Trust Flow stats there.

      Ahrefs also allows you to do a few free searches a day and shows most back links of all.

      However, the problem is that most link sellers do not supply url's before purchase so it's only a verification method once you receive the link report and the only thing that's left by then is filing a dispute at Paypal with a low chance of succeeding as you're buying a service and not a physical product.

      In other words, link selling is the perfect market for people who want to rip off others and reviews (especially at sites like Fiverr) aren't the most reliable as people have no clue what they are actually buying.

      So the only advice I can give is to find a reputable seller and once you found such, stick with him/her, or do it yourself like many others, do proper research and buy expired domains yourself and put them on unique IP's.
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  • Originally Posted by tomaz View Post

    I have already had a situation where supposed PR8 site did not have one single backlink! The life-time price of a link on this site was $100
    You are extremely unlikely to ever get a deal like that on a genuine PR8 site. Besides that, paid links are going to get you in trouble with Google and any short-term value that you get will be lost, along with the cash that you spent.

    There's no point in trying to game Google, rather spend the money on some well-written articles that you can submit as guest posts on high pr blogs. Also, do a search on Google for some tips on guest blogging and how to approach blog owners before getting your articles written.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    If it was a real PR 7, 8, or 9, the price would be thousands of dollars to advertise on a site like that for just a short amount of time. Not $100 for life. That should be the first clue for anyone.
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    • Profile picture of the author nik0
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      I challenge you or anyone, to even find a PR8 domain/site that is for sale, heck even good PR7's are damn hard to find and will cost at least $3K+

      Strong PR6 domains cost somewhere between $1000 and $2000 btw, but there are also weak ones available for around 500 bucks, however those probably drop to pr4 or pr5 in the next update. You get what you pay for.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnben1444
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If it was a real PR 7, 8, or 9, the price would be thousands of dollars to advertise on a site like that for just a short amount of time. Not $100 for life. That should be the first clue for anyone.
      Or wouldn't offer it to the public at all.
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  • Profile picture of the author iamseo
    I am in contact with many people (link exchange guys) who are doing the same thing. They just look for page rank. They don't check domain authority and quality site. For them, Only page rank matters nothing else. Yesterday I have seen website with PR7 and domain authority only 10, then I look for its backlink profile. I just find 23 links from their own blog network.
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  • Profile picture of the author bsbear
    This is pretty much common sense.
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    • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      If it was a real PR 7, 8, or 9, the price would be thousands of dollars to advertise on a site like that for just a short amount of time. Not $100 for life. That should be the first clue for anyone.
      So true Mike. I am thankful you have enlightened me on how to check for real page rank. You should write a book in that spare time that you probably don't have

      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      I challenge you or anyone, to even find a PR8 domain/site that is for sale, heck even good PR7's are damn hard to find and will cost at least $3K+

      Strong PR6 domains cost somewhere between $1000 and $2000 btw, but there are also weak ones available for around 500 bucks, however those probably drop to pr4 or pr5 in the next update. You get what you pay for.
      IDK. I have seen a few pr6 sites (that have a good backlink profile maybe not perfect but very healthy) going for $300-800 on digitalpoint. The risk you run in buying any site is links dropping off. Not a big concern if you keep the orig site though? Thoughts?
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

        IDK. I have seen a few pr6 sites (that have a good backlink profile maybe not perfect but very healthy) going for $300-800 on digitalpoint. The risk you run in buying any site is links dropping off. Not a big concern if you keep the orig site though? Thoughts?
        Like I said you can find them for around $500,- but I wouldn't call that a very healthy link profile when it go's for that price. Huge chance the PR won't hold though, people know what strong domains are worth and a good/strong PR6 one go's for at least $1000,-

        As a matter of fact I bought a PR6 for $350 last month, I just knew it wouldn't last in the PR update and my feeling was right, turned into a PR5 at the latest Google update from yesterday or day before. $350 for a strong PR5 is still not a bad deal though, the risk was calculated so that's why I took it. The PR6 ones for $1k+ did survive the PR update.

        It's dead easy to fake a decent PR4 or PR5 domain to make it look like PR6 so that it can be sold for 2x or 4x more. Easy money right. Domain trading is the most sketchy business that exists on this planet. I paid the normal price though as I have a fair broker.

        Sometimes I see PR7 domains on his list for $399,- and a PR4 for $349,- while another PR7 costs $2500,-, he doesn't base his sales prices on the PR but instead on the stats from back link checkers so whether it's fake or not, the price tells and the stats tell the true story. At the moment I am about to buy a PR6 one from him for $1500,- but that domain has 6 innerpages that are PR6 as well, and the stats are more comparable to a PR7, hence the high price so the domain is more likely a PR6.9 or something.

        To get back on your question, there is always the risk of links falling off, probably less likely when you keep the original site indeed however that doesn't come without risk either, people can complain or even worse, report you to Google for copyright stuff and that might get your domain deindexed, so I just rebrand them.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          Opensiteexplorer.org allows you to do 3 free searches per day, check out the DA/PA/Mozrank stats there
          Theres the issue I have right there and this is not directed at you NIk . I know you spend money on your infrastructure but heres the thing I don't get that more than any other area of SEO just looks silly to me

          Once you are going to spend money BUYING DOMAIN NAMES it just makes no sense to cheap out on either learning how to do it or getting the tools to do it right. I see guys buying PR4s for hundreds of dollars and then looking for free tools and information to check if they are getting a good deal. I've seen guys that are willing to spend $500 on one domain asking where they can check links for free or depending just on some forum posters to make them determine if its a good deal

          IF you are going to jump into the Domain buying market spend a little money so you do not get ripped off. GET YOURSELF A COPY OF SPYGLASS FOR $99/$149 where you can load up a bunch of domains and make it run over night - Not rely on Free searches on Opensite explorer (which as a service misses a ton of links). take some time to learn what you are doing because just one bad purchase AND YOU ARE OUT OF A FEW HUNDRED ANYWAY.

          Craziest thing I have seen. I have had people PM asking me this and that - "help a fellow warrior out". You want free help free tools but you have the cash to buy a few thousand dollars worth of domains? Get out of my PM box. Sure I know its in my interest selling a course on this subject to say people should invest in tools etc but seriously If you are in the domain market and buying PR4s and up more than any other subject why should you think you should be able to do everything for free? Its like a guy making payments on his Rolls Royce asking his local car care shop for a free wash and wax

          So the only advice I can give is to find a reputable seller and once you found such, stick with him/her, or do it yourself like many others, do proper research and buy expired domains yourself and put them on unique IP's.
          The only problem with that advice though Nik is that in order to know you have a good dealer you have to be able to evaluate the domains they are giving you anyway. Domain brokers are overall a pretty shady group. I dob't care how reputable he/she is. You ought to know how to evaluate any domain you are buying.

          Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

          As a matter of fact I bought a PR6 for $350 last month, I just knew it wouldn't last in the PR update and my feeling was right, turned into a PR5 at the latest Google update from yesterday or day before. $350 for a strong PR5 is still not a bad deal though, the risk was calculated so that's why I took it. The PR6 ones for $1k+ did survive the PR update.
          That comes down to evaluating more than how many links or whether the PR is faked (two things people swear is all there is to building networks). I've picked up two PR6s over the last three months for under $500 and both survived . Actually one was bought as a PR5 and went up to a PR6 this last update. I think the last one for below $500 was actually under $300. That one was fun. Weak? Nope. Showed up as fake under an info check and in tools so most people ran away but it wasn't faked at all.

          Thats the other thing. If you rely on dealers then you are ALWAYS paying a markup and you miss out on some real steals.
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          • Profile picture of the author nik0
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            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            The only problem with that advice though Nik is that in order to know you have a good dealer you have to be able to evaluate the domains they are giving you anyway. Domain brokers are overall a pretty shady group. I dob't care how reputable he/she is. You ought to know how to evaluate any domain you are buying.
            You do need some knowledge yes, half of the domains in my brokers list I would never buy. I don't even understand why he bought them in the first place. I mean a PR7 for $500,- with a back link profile that looks like a PR3 or PR4 at best. Good thing is that after some time you get a good eye for the stats, although seomoz/majestic are pretty slow with updating the combined stats give a reasonable good indication. 19 out of 20 domains do not lose PR in the next update (we've had a few updates now).

            Just wondering, how up to date is Spyglass?


            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            That comes down to evaluating more than how many links or whether the PR is faked (two things people swear is all there is to building networks). I've picked up two PR6s over the last three months for under $500 and both survived . Actually one was bought as a PR5 and went up to a PR6 this last update. I think the last one for below $500 was actually under $300. That one was fun. Weak? Nope. Showed up as fake under an info check and in tools so most people ran away but it wasn't faked at all.

            Thats the other thing. If you rely on dealers then you are ALWAYS paying a markup and you miss out on some real steals.
            2 PR6's each under $500,-, that's pretty impressive. I browse GoDaddy auctions once in a while, and filter on the highest PR ones, got RegistryCompass for that, but all the time that I checked it it turned out that they were sold heavily over priced or that the link profile was really not worth it. Got tired of it to be honest as most GoDaddy domains looked over priced.

            The proof that good ones are up for grab (for cheap) is there in the shape of my broker, each one, dropped or expired, is cheaper then what I find at Godaddy so I don't know how he does it but he does it Most are not from GoDaddy btw, most are from Dynadot, Network Solutions and a dozen others so I guess godaddy is the worse of all when looking for domains.
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  • Profile picture of the author mcatt
    Thanks for the heads up. I was considering doing this however I kind of figured to good to be true.
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    • Profile picture of the author quamz0
      Why would you put with that, I have a guy that will build 100 manual pr 3-5 do follow low obl (30 or less) with posts that are relevant to the topic for less than a dollar each.... I am going to have him build me 5000 links over the next 6 months or so.

      As far as PR changing, I would rather have 1000 links for pr 3-5 pages than 2 or 3 links on a pr 6 page and hope it stays... All your eggs in one basket kinda thing..
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      • Profile picture of the author nik0
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        Originally Posted by quamz0 View Post

        Why would you put with that, I have a guy that will build 100 manual pr 3-5 do follow low obl (30 or less) with posts that are relevant to the topic for less than a dollar each.... I am going to have him build me 5000 links over the next 6 months or so.

        As far as PR changing, I would rather have 1000 links for pr 3-5 pages than 2 or 3 links on a pr 6 page and hope it stays... All your eggs in one basket kinda thing..
        Yes very nice as tier 2 links.
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  • Profile picture of the author tech84
    You can also check for fake PR here: http://web-sniffer.net/

    It if shows a redirect it means that site is only showing the PR of the site it is redirecting to.
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  • Profile picture of the author skaggmo
    I think this is one of those fake PR link sellers. These sites have PR6 and no backlinks, no redirect, it's a new domain. I can't see how he does it. He goes by the name SEOTrade on DP-
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  • Profile picture of the author wellm97
    there might be few link sellers who are selling quality backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Haven
    Originally Posted by tomaz View Post

    I've come to a conclusion that there is not too-many fair link-sellers there. People are selling links on supposed PR7 or PR8 sites, but when you do the manual backlinks check, you can see the site only has a few PR0 and PR1 links.
    This is the part where you contact Paypal and put in a claim, that's if the seller doesn't want to refund/replace the links and give you what you paid for, simple as that.
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      Originally Posted by SEO Haven View Post

      This is the part where you contact Paypal and put in a claim, that's if the seller doesn't want to refund/replace the links and give you what you paid for, simple as that.
      That's of course, if you used Paypal. But you should be able to get your money back either way.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by SEO Haven View Post

      This is the part where you contact Paypal and put in a claim, that's if the seller doesn't want to refund/replace the links and give you what you paid for, simple as that.
      Not simple as that at all. The seller can say they delivered the link so then it becomes a "Not as described" purchase and on an intangible item Paypal is going to decline your dispute more times than not.
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  • Profile picture of the author squadron
    There's a lot of scammers out there. With anything you buy online check the feedback, be it Warrior Forum, eBay or anywhere else. And if it seems too good to be true, it probably is
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  • Profile picture of the author Warocks
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    Long slow process, manually posting works the best 10~15 backlinks per day. Don't buy links.
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    • Profile picture of the author cisin
      Originally Posted by Warocks View Post

      Long slow process, manually posting works the best 10~15 backlinks per day. Don't buy links.
      But that would take lot of time, what if I want quick results.?
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  • Profile picture of the author sham2
    in seo you can't insure quick results
    You just have to wait .
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