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Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce.

by nest28
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I'm amazed to see marketers still talking about Senukex, GSA and Magic Submitter, and even Article Marketing Robot, just to name a few. The software mention above, or any push button link building system will get you nowhere. I used some of the above mention software in a case study a while back, for extremely easy keywords, the sites never made it to page 1. They ended up making money on long tail phrase and that about it.


I understand most members are new and may have missed the big unnatural links epidemic but take my word for it, please avoid software, web 2.0s, social bookmarks, forum links, fiverr gigs offering SEO etc.


Also smarten up, most of the threads started on the forum can be answered with a simple Google search. Another thing, even easy keywords are a little harder to rank now, especially since you can't use the above mentioned tactics, so just because your keyword software may so go for it, be prepare to spend a little time trying to rank, unless your an SEO expert, or you have your own blog network.


Edit: Do what you want, I've been called a bitch for simply trying to warn noobs of the dangers involved when using backlinking software or for saying use Google search before you clutter up the forum with useless threads that's already been answered.


Make your own choice, but be sure it's the right one, because when those new algo changes roll out you don't want to be one of the ones hit with a penalty. Deuces.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I'm amazed to see marketers still talking about Senukex, GSA and Magic Submitter, and even Article Marketing Robot, just to name a few. The software mention above, or any push button link building system will get you nowhere. I used some of the above mention software in a case study a while back, for extremely easy keywords, the sites never made it to page 1. They ended up making money on long tail phrase and that about it.


    I understand most members are new and may have missed the big unnatural links epidemic but take my word for it, please avoid software, web 2.0s, social bookmarks, forum links, fiverr gigs offering SEO etc.


    Also smarten up, most of the threads started on the forum can be answered with a simple Google search. Another thing, even easy keywords are a little harder to rank now, especially since you can't use the above mentioned tactics, so just because your keyword software may so go for it, be prepare to spend a little time trying to rank, unless your an SEO expert, or you have your own blog network.
    Maybe someone can convince CTRTheme to use Google search. D@mn they post a lot of nonsense.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Maybe someone can convince CTRTheme to use Google search. D@mn they post a lot of nonsense.
      Something fishy about that Ctrtheme, their just trying to get post count up. And the the thread they started about the software lifetime fee is just unbelievable, I mean are those affiliate links in the OP, otherwise I don't see the point of the thread.


      I thought things were bad 6 months ago, now, the forum has gone to sh%t.
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      • Profile picture of the author WareTime
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        I thought things were bad 6 months ago, now, the forum has gone to sh%t.
        There is lots of stuff one needs to disregard here to find the few gems. Too many get sucked into the build an online empire in an hour mindset and flit from tool to tool to method to method and then pose as knowledge mavens themselves.

        For most here there is more money to be made in selling shovels than digging for gold. The mine has played out, so time to sell the shovels and maps.
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  • Profile picture of the author WareTime
    Two types of good backlinks.
    1. The ones that involve you and another website owner. (assuming it's a good fit)
    2. Natural

    All automated methods are or will be crap due to the search engines wising up. Now a bunch of those folks are running for the disavow button. It's hilarious.
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  • Profile picture of the author intergen
    I couldn't agree more - I don't understand why folks are still trying to BUY back links or use crappy spammy software. If you're in a niche for some short term gain by all means buy links or use spam software that "could" look natural to Google and work to get your site to the top of the SERP's. I've done this for sites in the past and have made some great headway in low competition niches - as Google doesn't have as much of a choice and they don't spend as much time policing these niches (and local niches for that matter).

    However, if you a looking to build a longer term brand and build authority in a niche don't BUY back links or crappy link building spam tools - you need to EARN back links.

    Content has been (and always will be) the foundation of building solid traffic, visitors and links. There are multiple ways to do this and create traffic quickly and EARN back links.

    Create excellent consumable content in your niche or have someone write it for you (textbrokers.com or others). I recently had an article written for me. Once I received it I had to re-write sections but it gave me a starting point and it took a lot less time (maybe 15 minutes). I posted it to Social media news, strategy, tools, and techniques | Social Media Today (it doesn't cost anything to post here and anyone who has solid content can get an article published.). My article got hundreds of shares on Twitter, LI & FB and got syndicated to tons of blogs and websites - google search "How content marketing is the new moneyball"

    In my profile on SocialMediaToday I have a link to my social profiles and my website. I received hundreds of visitors - the article was on my site as well and I received several natural back links to it - as well as some of my other posts on my blog. What did all of this cost me? $8.00 for the article and 15 minutes of time.

    So stop spamming, spinning and trying to shortcut long term success with short term gain that doesn't work.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by stevenukas View Post

      No offense but
      No offense taken, the link in my sig is not for ranking/SEO purposes.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        No offense taken, the link in my sig is not for ranking/SEO purposes.
        Seems a tad self promotional don't you think?
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Seems a tad self promotional don't you think?
          How you figure , I didn't mention the link, if you actually go to my site aint nothing there, so I have nothing to gain from promoting the link.


          Edit: Ctrtheme running around talking about Ms/Senukex lifetime license aint nobody say nothing about that and I'm pretty sure Ctrtheme is using affiliate links in her posts. I say software is crap and all of a sudden I'm the bad guy, as always on this forum.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

            How you figure , I didn't mention the link, if you actually go to my site aint nothing there, so I have nothing to gain from promoting the link.
            You're right, I didn't go to the link until after I posted.
            Edit: Ctrtheme running around talking about Ms/Senukex lifetime license aint nobody say nothing about that and I'm pretty sure Ctrtheme is using affiliate links in her posts. I say software is crap and all of a sudden I'm the bad guy, as always on this forum.
            I hear you but if somebody else is behaving badly that doesn't give anybody else permission to do so. (you weren't in the OP btw)

            But you're completely out to lunch with the software is crap angle.
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            • Profile picture of the author nest28
              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              You're right, I didn't go to the link until after I posted.

              I hear you but if somebody else is behaving badly that doesn't give anybody else permission to do so. (you weren't in the OP btw)

              But you're completely out to lunch with the software is crap angle.

              I'm just passing the time my friend. This thread is based on my personal feeling about SEO software, there may be a way to use it correctly, but you and I know most noobs wont find that way, and end up hurting there sites and since no one else on the forum seems to care about the youngsters, I do what I can to warn them, not that they ever listen.


              WF promotes the wrong values and for that reason a lot of noobs will defiantly fail at IM. This is the birth place of Micro Niche SItes, EMDs, SEO software and scammy, spammy WSOs.


              But whatever , as Yukon would say, YOU CAN'T SAVE THE WORLD.
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              • Profile picture of the author LloydMS
                Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

                I'm just passing the time my friend. This thread is based on my personal feeling about SEO software, there may be a way to use it correctly, but you and I know most noobs wont find that way, and end up hurting there sites and since no one else on the forum seems to care about the youngsters, I do what I can to warn them, not that they ever listen.


                WF promotes the wrong values and for that reason a lot of noobs will defiantly fail at IM. This is the birth place of Micro Niche SItes, EMDs, SEO software and scammy, spammy WSOs.


                But whatever , as Yukon would say, YOU CAN'T SAVE THE WORLD.
                I usually avoid getting into arguments on forums as you can never win. And I'm not going to get into one here.

                But I will say that had the subject of this post been:

                "Backlinking software is DANGEROUS and so are many of the links they produce" . . .

                I don't think many people would have disagreed with you. And that seems to be what you are saying in your post above that I've quoted herein. And I think that would have been much more valuable to a noob.
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                  Originally Posted by LloydMS View Post

                  I usually avoid getting into arguments on forums as you can never win. And I'm not going to get into one here.

                  But I will say that had the subject of this post been:

                  "Backlinking software is DANGEROUS and so are many of the links they produce" . . .

                  I don't think many people would have disagreed with you. And that seems to be what you are saying in your post above that I've quoted herein. And I think that would have been much more valuable to a noob.
                  Great Catch.... Lloyd!!
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by LloydMS View Post

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              Saying that link building tools are crap is akin to saying SEO is dead, PPC is awesome, Adsense sucks, etc.
              Eh no not feeling that. Look there are two issues here

              1) Automation
              2) Spammy links

              My bet is that Nest is talking about number 2 and lets face it most of the software is not used just for #1. You run them with spammy links and you can sing high sing low they are of very limited use. Claiming that using those tools is crap is synonymous with saying SEO is dead is out in left field. For the ones that don't allow you to at least record your own sites , blogs etc they are crap for the most part. Out of everything maybe some web 2.0s are of a little value but bookmarks, forum profiles etc? Come on this is 2013 I don't care how you use them they are either inconsequential or garbage. Even in a tier system my goodness you got to blast your heart out to juice some PR out of that so claiming you can use it without blasting for that won;t work either and as far as I can see Tiered is the ONLY way these can even hope of being any good.

              Originally Posted by Lanx View Post

              However, Gsa, can almost be tuned to perfection, you just don't (can't) know it............like wow, gsa just became one of the best ways to get low obl, low to medium pr, non malicious and non illegal site backlinks.
              that looks like it was written sales copy by the GSA crew. Look I was as gungho as the next person when it came out but its a huge ball of a spam bot as I see it now. I especially take issue with your number 6

              PR links? --- not when I used it. GSA gave you two and only two shots at PR pages - blog comments and guestbooks. Plus a few months back I couldn't get it to obey the filters and not even Sven could fix it. Maybe they have fixed that now but I already saw the results for the kind of Pr links I did get - Go ahead and show me guestbook backlinks profile 2 months later. First they have an incredibly low crawl rate by Google, second the guestbooks are getting so heavily slammed you will roll off in no time and yeah I am talking about even scraping them. OF every single person I have talked to before putting it in my closet (so to speak) not one of them saw much results by way of PR increase. I won't deny some have had success but again the very way that GSA targets those sites by footprint is the same way everyone does so as long as you use those footprints you won't be alone no matter what other keyword you use for long. Plus in my findings guestbook links suck the worse. SO if I am going to go the blog comment route still nothing beats scrapebox

              again don't blame the software/tool, blame the inadequate user.
              Hear that all the time but it doesn't make a lick a sense to me . It just sounds good. Every tool in every other profession has some duds of tools and Some of the leaders are just duds. YOu could say the person does not know how to use th etool about any tool and make it into a winner. SenukeXCR is one such dud people always try to say thta about. At the cost of legally using that you can do much better things. Its a dud in cost to result ratio.Don;t care what magical way youthink you can arrange the spammy links. Most know I was an avid Magic submitter user but sorry its just not worth the monthly subscriptions anymore not because I don't know how to use it but because the SEO has changed and its no longer worth paying regular fees for those kinds of links

              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              You're right, I didn't go to the link until after I posted.
              Soo umm you just kind of swooped down on the guy with an accusation without even looking? Sheesh got in in for him or something?

              Anyway for automation I am not in complete agreement with Nest. I will still use some tools but only the ones I can do my own recording (and there are too many ones that can do that now for a one time payment to stick with subscription based software for that) but I know where he is coming from. Most SEO software backlinking tools are now crap and if you think Google is done making them even crappier to use then you are kidding yourself.
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              • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                Soo umm you just kind of swooped down on the guy with an accusation without even looking? Sheesh got in in for him or something?
                Not at all. It did look self promotional on first look. OP removed his sig link so maybe he agreed.
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  • Profile picture of the author LloydMS
    If you use a link building tool to spam hundreds or thousands of sites. Then yeah, you're probably wasting your time and hurting your site.

    But if you use a link building tool to post content on quality sites, but in a more efficient manner than manually submitting them, then the tool is quite valuable.

    Saying that link building tools are crap is akin to saying SEO is dead, PPC is awesome, Adsense sucks, etc. It's easy to make an argument both for and against any of these. Absent context these types of absolutes are not very valuable.
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    • Profile picture of the author intergen
      I fully agree - everyone's situ is different. But I do see folks who don't understand your approach that will just spam the hell out of their sites using similar tools. I used to use SeNuke about 3 - 4 years ago. It worked well then. Google has changed and your point about using it properly is spot on - don't create junk and spam it. Create value and strategically place it using these tools - it does save time and does work.

      Originally Posted by LloydMS View Post

      If you use a link building tool to spam hundreds or thousands of sites. Then yeah, you're probably wasting your time and hurting your site.

      But if you use a link building tool to post content on quality sites, but in a more efficient manner than manually submitting them, then the tool is quite valuable.

      Saying that link building tools are crap is akin to saying SEO is dead, PPC is awesome, Adsense sucks, etc. It's easy to make an argument both for and against any of these. Absent context these types of absolutes are not very valuable.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by intergen View Post

        . It worked well then. Google has changed and your point about using it properly is spot on - don't create junk and spam it. Create value and strategically place it using these tools - it does save time and does work.
        Seriously this is Nest's point in a nutshell though . How exactly do you create value using these tools? Unless you have a vast difference in your background and have a different definition for value in your family than I do in mine 99.99% of the time there is no great value. Call it what it is - its leaving a backlink to suit your purposes. The whole creating value placing backlinks with automation tools - thats just verbage marketers use to justify their use of it. Its not like these are sites that you control and can build up to be of some use to readers so its really playing with the truth to talk about value.

        I think he is calling for a higher level of marketing as well. You know the kind where our children can be proud of what we do and not the sneaking links, likes and followers on sites circumventing their TOS and pretending its all alright. Not a good message for my kids at least if they see me doing that. Its not spot on when you really think about it. Its off and I support that whole heartedly and don't know why people have to shout him down for it.
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    It's like with most things in life...a fool and his money are soon parted.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lanx
    you know... most software you can "TUNE" it to perform great things.

    i drive a old 2002 honda civic or 2012 suburu imprezza split between me and the wife. both are kept stock, my car friends lust everyday at the "things they can do" to my civic, i don't care, it runs from a to b, and the battery only died 1 year ago, and had 1 fender bender. and i'm a super car noob, beyond filling it up and checking oil.

    However, Gsa, can almost be tuned to perfection, you just don't (can't) know it.
    1. start off with great tier 1 articles, completely human readable
    2. start off with private proxies only
    3. start off with proper property selection
    4. then filter, obvious stuff no bad word sites (you know these bad words)
    5. choose a comfortable obl
    6. choose a pr (extra time)
    7. choose captcha sniper/breaker
    8. for the fall back choose paid service if pr > (your number)

    wow

    like wow, gsa just became one of the best ways to get low obl, low to medium pr, non malicious and non illegal site backlinks.

    100 crappy odesk noobs wouldn't be able to get these links with these filters in a week.

    again don't blame the software/tool, blame the inadequate user.

    heck my friends yell at me for bringing my cars to get oil changed instead of doing it myself, i don't want to strip no screw, i completely admit how inadequate i am with cars, other's should admit how they just can't use software/tools in any degree of usefulness.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by Lanx View Post

      you know... most software you can "TUNE" it to perform great things.

      i drive a old 2002 honda civic or 2012 suburu imprezza split between me and the wife. both are kept stock, my car friends lust everyday at the "things they can do" to my civic, i don't care, it runs from a to b, and the battery only died 1 year ago, and had 1 fender bender. and i'm a super car noob, beyond filling it up and checking oil.

      However, Gsa, can almost be tuned to perfection, you just don't (can't) know it.
      1. start off with great tier 1 articles, completely human readable
      2. start off with private proxies only
      3. start off with proper property selection
      4. then filter, obvious stuff no bad word sites (you know these bad words)
      5. choose a comfortable obl
      6. choose a pr (extra time)
      7. choose captcha sniper/breaker
      8. for the fall back choose paid service if pr > (your number)

      wow

      like wow, gsa just became one of the best ways to get low obl, low to medium pr, non malicious and non illegal site backlinks.

      100 crappy odesk noobs wouldn't be able to get these links with these filters in a week.

      again don't blame the software/tool, blame the inadequate user.

      heck my friends yell at me for bringing my cars to get oil changed instead of doing it myself, i don't want to strip no screw, i completely admit how inadequate i am with cars, other's should admit how they just can't use software/tools in any degree of usefulness.
      I don't have use for software period, doesn't matter how it can be used. I believe in doing business another way and in doing so I don't have to worry about Google algo changes/penalties.

      I do however agree that most don't know how to use software, and for that very reason they don't need to have it, it's like a 3 yr old playing with a gun. In the end noobs will only hurt their sites because all they going to do is create a bunch of link wheels using spun gibberish.


      In 3 yrs of marketing I only got into trouble once with G and that was for using crap links, that happened a yr ago, since than I haven't had anymore problems. No software, no crap links, no problem.
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      • Profile picture of the author stevenukas
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        I don't have use for software period, doesn't matter how it can be used. I believe in doing business another way and in doing so I don't have to worry about Google algo changes/penalties.
        Thats not true, I have VA's doing stuff for me like blog commenting on PR sites,where it has to make sense and add value,strange thing happened to me,just because I got few high PR links approved faster, google gave me a penalty and consider this as a spam. Building more should fix it, but then...

        There's no difference, if you build same web 2.0's with images and yadayada, and if the tools will do that for you,not over night of course,but have them dripped over a week with spun content,witch is not something you spin with TBS,you pay for manual spun content,that gets approved in moderated article directories

        We all know,work smart, but not hard
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by stevenukas View Post

          not over night of course,but have them dripped over a week with spun content,witch is not something you spin with TBS,you pay for manual spun content,that gets approved in moderated article directories

          We all know,work smart, but not hard
          Thats not smart though. Its one of the big myths people still believe in - that if you put crappy links slowly on drip feed you are safe. Many sites get taken down upon manual review when and if they rank. Google sees spammy spun content pointing at a site they don't pull out a calendar and figure out how long you took to put up the spammy spun content. They just toast you

          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

          Not at all. It did look self promotional on first look. OP removed his sig link so maybe he agreed.
          Sorry Marc You already admitted looking was exactly what you did NOT do. The site had nothing on it. Was he promoting "under construction"? Silliness man. You can't dig your way out of that because the OP was frustrated at the false charges and just pulled the link. Fess up and move on.
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          • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            Sorry Marc You already admitted looking was exactly what you did NOT do. The site had nothing on it. Was he promoting "under construction"? Silliness man. You can't dig your way out of that because the OP was frustrated at the false charges and just pulled the link. Fess up and move on.
            I did admit it, maybe you missed THAT in YOUR rush to jump to conclusions.

            Let me make it clear so even you can understand it.

            My suggestion of self promotion in this thread by the OP was unwarranted.

            Get it?
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              Let me make it clear so even you can understand it.

              My suggestion of self promotion in this thread by the OP was unwarranted.

              Get it?
              Congratulations! Much better than

              Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post

              OP removed his sig link so maybe he agreed.
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  • Profile picture of the author cypherslock
    Well, no, it's more a case of you shouldn't try to save the world. Just leave folks be. I personally have and continue to use Magic, and it's gotten me quality backlinks (I use my own list and writings) and my sites stick. It's all in how you use the stuff. Anyone that tries without first having the knowledge is doomed to fail.
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    I'm almost amazed about the love for GSA, like it can create high PR links at all kind of platforms while that is total bogus, it can only create high PR links through blog comments and guest posts like Mike already mentioned. Heck why we need GSA for that when there is Scrapebox that does a much faster job on that. And besides that, finding high PR / unspammed / dofollow pages has even with Scrapebox become almost impossible as that combination is way to unique with all the spammers on the web.

    If I would a tool like GSA I would let the high PR thing pass completely and just focus on the diversity that it has to offer, like; Video / PDF-doc sharing / Image links and perhaps some other stuff that I missed now. But even then, it all depends on the input so any contextual link that it produces would be based on spun content and not sure about you but I wouldn't want that in my tier 1 links. So yeah I don't see how it's any better then Magic Submitter, SenukeX or Ultimate Demon, the only difference is that it supports a few more platforms.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by nik0 View Post

      I'm almost amazed about the love for GSA, like it can create high PR links at all kind of platforms while that is total bogus, it can only create high PR links through blog comments and guest posts like Mike already mentioned. .
      I can't blame people. I might have even added to the enthusiasm for it. I really thought it did what it claimed to at first. Then I realized most people were not really checking what it was doing and I did and found out the filters were not even working properly . BY the time I put it down for a while and went back to the sites I had used it on I realized how awful guestbook links are in terms of getting crawled and then how they got slammed by everyone using whatever tools because they all go by the guestbook footprints which you can even run in SB to find.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Nest sounds like a whiny little bitch to me. Maybe it is all the beers I had tonight. Maybe. Or Maybe it is every time he posts it is to complain about this forum. So I say STFU. Whine or win, but please quit your constant bitching.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Nest sounds like a whiny little bitch to me. Maybe it is all the beers I had tonight. Maybe. Or Maybe it is every time he posts it is to complain about this forum. So I say STFU. Whine or win, but please quit your constant bitching.

      Whoa!! A clear reminder to all .....Do not drink and post without a designated typist. Totally uncalled for Mike
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Whoa!! A clear reminder to all .....Do not drink and post without a designated typist. Totally uncalled for Mike
        No it is not. Christ is he a whiny bitch. I know you and him might be close but all he doea is complain.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          No it is not. Christ is he a whiny bitch. I know you and him might be close but all he doea is complain.
          Mike

          A) the thread is not about the forums
          B) You and I know perfectly well we all complain about the forums from time to time
          C) You haven't come down like that with some other people we know have posted far more crap and who you think far worse of so yeah I am thinking its the liquor talking. You don't even come down on CTR like that or the you know whoses.
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          No it is not. Christ is he a whiny bitch. I know you and him might be close but all he doea is complain.
          Where in the op did I complain about anything, I said most threads can be solved if people did a simple Google search and I said I don't like backlinking software.

          You don't like me, all you had to say is, I don't like you. Not blame it on the beer, or make up lies. The funny thing is I've actually had people say something to me about the sh*t you say in my threads.

          I don't say anything about you, could careless what you say, what you do, but you and the rest of the haters here always jump on my threads, insulting because you personally don't like me. And that my friend is a bitch, cuz of you this debate has gotten personal and I'd be surprise if the thread wasn't deleted.



          I still feel nothing for you or any other person here, WF use to be a fun place, but hell even the first popular thread I created started off with haters. But hey they even hated on Jesus lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Nest sounds like a whiny little bitch to me. Maybe it is all the beers I had tonight. Maybe. Or Maybe it is every time he posts it is to complain about this forum. So I say STFU. Whine or win, but please quit your constant bitching.
      The liquor was just an excuse for you to finally come out and say how you really felt. Every time I say something you always had the opposite to say, I say up, you say down, I say left you say right, to me that's a bitch, you nag about what ever I say, I've never said anything to you or about you except to recommend you as a SEO provider.


      This aint nothing to me, I pretty much stayed a way from this waste of space for a while because of people like you, this is not the place for professionals to gather and discuss ideals,tactics, and methods. This is the place where arguments, name calling and general put downs thrive.


      As Mike A. stated, I said" Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce" WTF DOES THAT HAVE TO DO WITH THE FORUM? Than you got the background haters that want to like your comment. Yet there are others here spamming the forum to death, yet no one says a damn word to them.

      Ahhh, once again I have to spend more time defending myself or what I said rather than having great a discussion about our profession, and I'm the bitch lol. That's funny considering all people do here is bitch and whine about me because I said something they didn't like.


      Backlinking software is not dangerous it's crap like I said, especially in the hands of a noob who's just going to use it to make link wheels. This is why I rarely post.


      I leave you to you regularly scheduled programming:

      What are meta tags?
      why doesn't my 2 week old site rank for competitive terms
      Hey I rank a site on page 4 with no content lol
      Hey does anybody know is Magic Submitter has a life time license, no really do you know
      What's you fav wordpress plugin

      You know really informative threads like that, check my old threads, aint no bitch, no whining, the messages I get in my inbox telling me not to worry about a-holes like yourself and to keep doing what I'm doing is a testament to that.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-keywords.html
      Close to 30 thousand views and 73 thanks.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-part-2-a.html
      Close to 18 thousand views and 22 thanks.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...ping-fast.html

      I lost my entire online income in this thread, never bitch or whine. I said it was my fault for using spammy links.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...e-penalty.html
      After I learned my lesson I wondered why didn't anyone learn theirs.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...-tell-you.html
      Keyword software aint the end all be all to finding niches

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...him-fight.html

      Just had a lot of fun in this one.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...mentality.html

      Heres one that talks about the importance of building a website for visitors because Google is taking traffic away from sites by eliminating the need to visit in them first place.

      There are pleny more threads in my portfolio, that do nothing but discuss IM, not people. Judge me on that and nothing else. Out of all the so called senior members here I was the only one making threads, at least I tried to steer the forum in the direction of actually talking about meaningful IM related issues, not WHAT IS A BACKLINK.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    Mike A, now you see what I'm talking about, make money here, HA, wouldn't be caught dead here, this is my last post. Let them say what they want because I don't like their precious, precious software.

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  • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
    Let's go one step further....

    Backlinking software is CRAP and so are the links they produce....and so are the PEOPLE who use them....
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    well you cant blame those people who want instafame on search engines that's why they avail on that products
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    • Profile picture of the author PerformanceMan
      Originally Posted by businesskiddo View Post

      well you cant blame those people who want instafame on search engines that's why they avail on that products
      Yes I can and do blame them. It is their choice to cheat the honest folk with their shady backlinking methods....

      Why should these rogues rank just because they bought the 'Magic Submitter?'

      Someday - around the year 2024 I think - Google is going to figure this all out and do something bad to these people.
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    Mike Anthony check your private message bro.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

      Mike Anthony check your private message bro.

      Sorry GGP, It was under another message from some poor soul so embarassed about being wrong about buying domains he is now resorting to making up additional false facts in his head (about me and even my family) and trying to pass them off to me by PM as real. :rolleyes:

      Anyway I answered
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimerson Farveez
    Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

    I understand most members are new and may have missed the big unnatural links epidemic but take my word for it, please avoid software, web 2.0s, social bookmarks, forum links, fiverr gigs offering SEO etc.
    Can't be...!!

    If you use those things in a natural way, of course Google credits you well. Of course NO MORE automation and QUICK links within short period. Spread the links for months, vary keywords, contribute to the sites from where you are gaining links, of course, absolutely, you are not in danger zone in terms of Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by Jimerson Farveez View Post

      Can't be...!!

      If you use those things in a natural way, of course Google credits you well. Of course NO MORE automation and QUICK links within short period. Spread the links for months, vary keywords, contribute to the sites from where you are gaining links, of course, absolutely, you are not in danger zone in terms of Google.

      Pretty much exactly what Nest was talking about. See? people still believe this and its in part because of the tool makers selling it that way. Thats undeniable.
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      • Profile picture of the author WareTime
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Pretty much exactly what Nest was talking about. See? people still believe this and its in part because of the tool makers selling it that way. Thats undeniable.
        And the tool makers and affiliates are generally down on threads that might wise the sheep up and cost them sales. It's simple and predictable to watch the flow of a thread like this.
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    • Profile picture of the author WareTime
      Originally Posted by Jimerson Farveez View Post

      Can't be...!!

      If you use those things in a natural way, of course Google credits you well. Of course NO MORE automation and QUICK links within short period. Spread the links for months, vary keywords, contribute to the sites from where you are gaining links, of course, absolutely, you are not in danger zone in terms of Google.
      Crap built slowly is still crap. Rate of link acquirement matters not, IF they are good links.

      Site A has a post go viral. Gets 50 thousand links in one day? Does google penalize it? No.

      Site B buys or builds 50 thousand links in one day. Does google penalize it? Yes.

      Think about why.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by WareTime View Post

        Crap built slowly is still crap. Rate of link acquirement matters not, IF they are good links.

        Site A has a post go viral. Gets 50 thousand links in one day? Does google penalize it? No.

        Site B buys or builds 50 thousand links in one day. Does google penalize it? Yes.

        Think about why.
        LOL... Okay I admit it. You said it waaaaay better and faster.
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  • Profile picture of the author dennis09
    These programs still have their place and can be VERY useful. But I see what kind of thread this is, so I'll leave now. --->

    edit: poor nest lol
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post


      edit: poor nest lol



      Plz, I been called much by worse, going take more than a insult from some guy behind a computer screen to get to me. I'm not pissed at any one person, it's just the fact that when somebody posts spam it's fine, when somebody asks who's the best SEO provider and a bunch of SEO providers respond it's fine, I been making these kind of threads for a while now, never had link in my sig, nor have I ever sold anything here, yet when I make a thread it's self promotion.


      The real problem is people thinking web 2.0s and social bookmarks are legit links. Google knows that the only websites online who's link profile consist of web 2.0, forum links, social bookmarks, and blog comments are from internet marketers. So why the hell wouldn't Google target these links.


      WHY THE HELL WOULD YOU BUILD N/A AND PR 0 LINKS THAT NEED MORE CRAP LINKS JUST TO BOOST THIER SO CALLED LINK JUICE. I bought couple high pr links from Niko, turn a new site into a pr 3, before that I used MS, nothing happen.


      I rather promote my content to get good natural links, or buy high pr links than to use backlinking software. I aint tryin hear , oh but there's a right way to use it. The general public will use it to spam the net, point blank.

      I can't believe it's 2013 and yall still making threads talking about here's a socail bookmarking list, or hey everybody I got a new article directory list, are you serious?


      As for the haters out there, I can careless about them, all those people, who choose not to comment can make there own decision. One thing that was brought to my attention is that 99% of people that view a thread don't post, so not going to let the few a-holes that do bother me.


      Edit: Yea I said I wasn't going to post no more, so what.
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  • Profile picture of the author EvcRo
    As i manage 1000's of websites with my link building company i always laugh when i read drivels like that.

    Automatic link building works perfectly when done correctly, in the right combinations.

    In a perfect world only my clients would use automatic link building and get the cash while purists like op will strive to EARN natural (lol) backlinks.
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    • Profile picture of the author nest28
      Originally Posted by EvcRo View Post

      As i manage 1000's of websites with my link building company i always laugh when i read drivels like that.

      Automatic link building works perfectly when done correctly, in the right combinations.

      In a perfect world only my clients would use automatic link building and get the cash while purists like op will strive to EARN natural (lol) backlinks.
      So what do you call more than a hundred thousand unnatural link notices that were given out last yr, and many more after that? Why is the Google disavow tool so popular amongst internet marketers?



      How come real sites, with high pr don't have web 2.0, social bookmarks, blog comments, forum links etc in their link profile. Inquiring minds want to know.

      Edit: Never mind, I check the link in your sig, don't want/need advice from somebody selling directory links, from a .biz no less. After further analysis I see you also sell article links and social bookmarks, I guess you have some ultra special social bookmarks though huh.
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      • Profile picture of the author EvcRo
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        So what do you call more than a hundred thousand unnatural link notices that were given out last yr, and many more after that? Why is the Google disavow tool so popular amongst internet marketers?


        How come real sites, with high pr don't have web 2.0, social bookmarks, blog comments, forum links etc in their link profile. I just wondering, plz, do tell.
        1. from 100 people 95 do software link building wrong, those were among the recipients. Most of those messages were for obviously bought links though.

        2. all high pr sites have all those kind of links in their profile. if they dont then its not natural easy to spot manipulation and they will lose the pr (see dirbull.com case)
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        • Profile picture of the author nest28
          Originally Posted by EvcRo View Post

          1. from 100 people 95 do software link building wrong, those were among the recipients.

          2. all high pr sites have all those kind of links in their profile. if they dont then its not natural easy to spot manipulation and they will lose the pr (see dirbull.com case)

          1. Proves my point the noobs will only harm their sites with software.

          2. No real site has a link profile that largely consists of pure crap links. Name any large authority site, that has nothing but the kind of links produced by link building software.


          The owners of those sites could careless about MS,Senuke, or GSA. They build their business on solid foundation, not quicksand.
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        • Profile picture of the author nik0
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          Originally Posted by EvcRo View Post

          1. from 100 people 95 do software link building wrong, those were among the recipients. Most of those messages were for obviously bought links though.

          2. all high pr sites have all those kind of links in their profile. if they dont then its not natural easy to spot manipulation and they will lose the pr (see dirbull.com case)
          High PR domains that don't have links from spammy bookmark sites and article directories are not natural :rolleyes:

          Funny enough when I do research on domains to buy then most links come from resource pages, like dealerships of certain products, the BBC or another large news site that mentions the site, niche relation ships, sponsored events and the list go's on and on. Very unnatural right?

          You're just another clown that try's to justify the crap links that he's selling.
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      • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
        Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

        So what do you call more than a hundred thousand unnatural link notices that were given out last yr, and many more after that? Why is the Google disavow tool so popular amongst internet marketers?
        I was wondering if you have used these white hat techniques, personally, to gain significant traffic?
        How come real sites, with high pr don't have web 2.0, social bookmarks, blog comments, forum links etc in their link profile. Inquiring minds want to know.
        What is a real site?
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        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
          Originally Posted by Marc_L View Post


          What is a real site?
          A real website has a big red title and on average 3 big "buy now" buttons. But don't quote me on that they may have more. Hard to keep up with nowadays ya know.
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

            A real website has a big red title and on average 3 big "buy now" buttons. But don't quote me on that they may have more. Hard to keep up with nowadays ya know.
            Oh please this is too easy

            A real site does not exist just for people to click adsense ads on
            A real site does not exist just for people to click an affiliate link

            heres a goody

            A real site has someone linking to it besides the webmaster because there is something in the sites' content that they like or find interesting.
            A real site builds up repeat visitors because there is content worthy of coming back for.
            A real site has a product or service worth crap that someone would not only buy direct formthe site but like and recommend to others to buy.

            Defining a real site is easy. Internet marketers just don't want it identified
            because they want to pretend all their long tail adsense and affiliate site are real sites with a real business.

            See? easy.
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            • Profile picture of the author dennis09
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Oh please this is too easy

              A real site does not exist just for people to click adsense ads on
              A real site does not exist just for people to click an affiliate link

              heres a goody

              A real site has someone linking to it besides the webmaster because there is something in the sites' content that they like or find interesting.
              A real site builds up repeat visitors because there is content worthy of coming back for.
              A real site has a product or service worth crap that someone would not only buy direct formthe site but like and recommend to others to buy.

              Defining a real site is easy. Internet marketers just don't want it identified
              because they want to pretend all their long tail adsense and affiliate site are real sites with a real business.

              See? easy.
              Agreed, but the sarcasm went about 7 feet over your head.
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                actually Dennnis I was more replying to the original question than I was to you. I just quoted you as you were attempting to answer it sarcastically or not.
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            • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Oh please this is too easy

              A real site does not exist just for people to click adsense ads on
              A real site does not exist just for people to click an affiliate link

              heres a goody

              A real site has someone linking to it besides the webmaster because there is something in the sites' content that they like or find interesting.
              A real site builds up repeat visitors because there is content worthy of coming back for.
              A real site has a product or service worth crap that someone would not only buy direct formthe site but like and recommend to others to buy.

              Defining a real site is easy. Internet marketers just don't want it identified
              because they want to pretend all their long tail adsense and affiliate site are real sites with a real business.

              See? easy.
              Thanks Nest :rolleyes:

              I guess I should have added "in your opinion" so people didn't think I was asking the question in general. I know my definition of a "real site" (and it isn't too far from yours) and now I know yours (which I wasn't asking for).
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Simple rule and easy to remember

                Forums: For when anyone can answer
                PM and email: for when you want an individuals answer only.
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  Simple rule and easy to remember

                  Forums: For when anyone can answer
                  PM and email: for when you want an individuals answer only.
                  Thanks for the advice.
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    • Profile picture of the author dennis09
      Originally Posted by EvcRo View Post

      As i manage 1000's of websites with my link building company i always laugh when i read drivels like that.

      Automatic link building works perfectly when done correctly, in the right combinations.

      In a perfect world only my clients would use automatic link building and get the cash while purists like op will strive to EARN natural (lol) backlinks.
      I hope you're not blasting those directory submisions at your clients sites lol. Tell me they're at least relevant niche specific ones.

      @Nest: Hang in there brotha, i know how frustrating it is to get caught up in pissing contests around here. Especially with these "Mikes" lol.

      Save all that energy for your own content, experiment and see what works for yourself, and best of all: JOIN OTHER (preferably paid) FORUMS. Best of luck.
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      • Profile picture of the author nest28
        Originally Posted by dennis09 View Post

        I hope you're not blasting those directory submisions at your clients sites lol.

        @Nest: Hang in there brotha, i know how frustrating it is to get caught up in pissing contests around here. Especially with these "Mikes" lol.

        Save all that energy for your own content, experiment and see what works for yourself, and best of all: JOIN OTHER (preferably paid) FORUMS. Best of luck.
        Mike A. is a friend of mine, and the advice you just gave me is the same thing I told him, WF is his vice, and recently has become mines. Thank you for the words of encouragement, I appreciate it. I'll also take you up on your advice, and return to just browsing, not posting.
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        • Profile picture of the author dennis09
          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          Mike A. is a friend of mine, and the advice you just gave me is the same thing I told him, WF is his vice, and recently has become mines. Thank you for the words of encouragement, I appreciate it. I'll also take you up on your advice, and return to just browsing, not posting.
          Welcome, Ill pm you a good site that I use.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
          Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

          Mike A. is a friend of mine, and the advice you just gave me is the same thing I told him, WF is his vice
          Slow your roll there bro. I'm a lover not a fighter in this thread. Don't be dragging me into this as the antagonist. I'm the peace maker in this one......LOL

          Besides I have been mostly away and only posted much in the last two days. In that time I have got an offer to see boobs and a PInterest follower seller (of all people) auditioning to teach ethics to my children for me. You can't make this stuff up.

          How could I leave again now?

          P.S. First of those people turned out to be okay. er I mean the person not the offer.
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          • Profile picture of the author nest28
            Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

            I have got an offer to see boobs
            Wait a minute, let's get one thing outta the way first, exactly who offered you to show their boobs, also does this offer still stand, and if so can I be like a affiliate of this offer or something.

            Maybe I should see the product and check it out before I become a affiliate, pm me the member who made the offer and I'll get to the bottom of this right away.


            Edit: I just really thought about that for a second, who the hell made that offer lol, and why. Boobs for links, only at WF.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Originally Posted by nest28 View Post

              Wait a minute, let's get one thing outta the way first, exactly who offered you to show their boobs, also does this offer still stand, and if so can I be like a affiliate of this offer or something.
              A) we aint that close
              B) I am a gentleman and would never say
              C) it was just something said in a disagreement like I said she is cool and was just talking. So take your glasses off and back the face away from the screen.

              The other guy might be good for something as well. Apparently according to him at least he gets really good PR4s on godaddy for no more than $40. Flip backlinking software altogether. If that were so then without a doubt backlinking software would be TOTAL HOT garbage. Check him out. If that fails (and it will) you can always pick up some fake pinterest followers and a lecture on how selling that still makes him the world's most upstanding family man of the year. Life is good. Theres a smile at every corner.

              I'm telling you Nest if you watch ANY reality TV theres no way you can leave for good. You are bluffing. the entertainment value is just too high to leave completely.
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              • Profile picture of the author nest28
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                I'm telling you Nest if you watch ANY reality TV theres no way you can leave for good. You are bluffing. the entertainment value is just too high to leave completely.
                I think I finally understand the point you are making. You can't help but to laugh. I bet I already know who it was, ha, trying hog all the boobs for yourself smh.
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  • Profile picture of the author patco
    Always automated backlinks are crap! IF you want quality backlinks, you should do them manually and of course choose the best sites to post a backlink to yours! Like the same niche, with only A FEW OBL, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author Marc_L
      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      Always automated backlinks are crap! IF you want quality backlinks, you should do them manually and of course choose the best sites to post a backlink to yours! Like the same niche, with only A FEW OBL, etc.
      What a load of crap. I mean that with all due respect. There is no difference between a manually created link and an automated link. OF COURSE you can overdue automation but the links themselves are indistinguishable whether it was placed manually or via software.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    Getting back on subject.

    Nest I think you are wrong on Web 2.0s. Sometimes you need a little diversity and you are forgetting that blogger and wordpress.com have real sites made by real people. I'll still use a web 2.0 submitter. I aint going to lie. It has use. Now the blanket stuff with hundreds of forum profiles, social bookmarks or yeah even hundreds of Web 2.0s yeah - its crap and people will hang on to the dear end because they either don't know how or can 't be bothered to do better.

    I'll probably drop some money on Licorne soon and Scrapebox has ALL KINDS of SEO use without blog commenting but outside of that theres nothing that isn't crappy and the only reason I would buy licorne is cause its cheap now and though I could record the same sites with ZP or winautomation (general automation software not specific to SEO) it willprobably take me too much time in first recording and then making changes as the sites change. Licorne can do some recording to so thats a plus.

    I can't handle a network without some automation. Thats not necessarily SEO tools like you were talking about but its automation thats a must
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    • Profile picture of the author Lanx
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      I'll probably drop some money on Licorne soon and Scrapebox has ALL KINDS of SEO use without blog commenting but outside of that theres nothing that isn't crappy and the only reason I would buy licorne is cause its cheap now and though I could record the same sites with ZP or winautomation (general automation software not specific to SEO) it willprobably take me too much time in first recording and then making changes as the sites change. Licorne can do some recording to so thats a plus.

      I can't handle a network without some automation. Thats not necessarily SEO tools like you were talking about but its automation thats a must
      licorne devs are itchin to get out of beta, they have a soft date of this month, when they get out of beta, the campaigner is one of their targets to hit, also it's kind of hinted, that's when monthly will start. they update once a month, kinda slow, imo

      scrapebox is always updating a few months ago they released their automation premium addon's, ok so it sounds like DLC for video games but so far it has a rank checker that ppl like, also what i like is their newest update, customer harvesters, you can harvest from dogpile and such etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by Lanx View Post

        licorne devs are itchin to get out of beta, they have a soft date of this month, when they get out of beta, the campaigner is one of their targets to hit, also it's kind of hinted, that's when monthly will start.
        Yeah I recall. Just went and bought it. Thanks for the reminder. Have no intention of using any monthly software again if I can help it. Rather than help the developer do upgrades I find the tendency is to coast on the subscriptions

        scrapebox is always updating a few months ago they released their automation premium addon's, ok so it sounds like DLC for video games but so far it has a rank checker that ppl like, also what i like is their newest update, customer harvesters, you can harvest from dogpile and such etc.
        Saw those and never knew what they were because got no notice about them.
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  • Profile picture of the author nest28
    I'll say this and put this thread to rest, I'm not against automation when it comes to helping with tasks that would otherwise be difficult to do manually, I even said earlier in the thread that if you are a SEO expert or have your own blog network I can understand the need for software. SEO experts know how to use link software and need it for their own private networks.


    I basically talking about the software's target audience, which are noobs, they don't know what they are doing, they will use the same sites that come with the software, and they been spammed to death.

    Maybe web 2.0s work right now, but as I said before, Google knows we use them, so that's enough to keep me away. I want to stay as far away from commonly used SEO tactics as possible.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    I use to frequent some bodybuilding forums years ago, and these threads remind me of arguements that people would have over steroids.

    The most intellectual debates would always look something like:

    "Steroids are crap!! They make your penis shrink!"

    "No they're not! They make your balls shrink, not your penis! They actually made my penis bigger (ask you mum for proof)".

    "NO WAY your a loser, just shup dickface!"

    "Yeh well I might be a loser, but at least my penis is bigger than yours, and I banged your mom".


    Not sure why I posted that. I just find conversations about automation software earily similar. In fact, anytime you guys have a conversation about automation software in the future, you should just rip each other for having small penis's.
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      Originally Posted by RedShifted View Post


      Not sure why I posted that.

      I think it is safe to say that that is a mystery that many of use will be pondering for years to come - until we are flipping through channels one night and hear

      "Next on Nova....the startling connection between the Male Penis and Search optimization software...One man's strange tale"
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  • Profile picture of the author JoshMcNary
    Google obviously has some way of determining what links are valuable and what aren't. Google also likely takes the side of caution when counting links, that is, it assumes a link is good until significant evidence shows that it isn't.

    The key is to try to understand what Google sees as a valuable link. If you can imitate a valuable link in an automated way, then automated software can be a powerful tool. These programs should always be used as a scalpel rather than a sledge hammer though.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    A real site offers discounts on a homemade backlink product custom built in their moms basement & only works Mon. - Fri. Discount codes are only approved via PM.

    Act now while supplies last, blah, blah, blah...
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