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I saw that GKT was going away, so the last couple of days I have been trying to use it and I am having a bit of trouble. Currently I think it sucks, but I hope I will figure it out and get used to it.

Can I not choose exact keywords any more? I can't find a way to do that.

Local as against global seems to have gone?:confused:

Anyone know why they did away with the GKT?
#adwords #change #crap #finally #google #hate #keyword #planner #replaced #tool
  • Profile picture of the author vk3
    Yo Tim, are you talking about the new Google Keyword Planner specifically?

    If it's really holding you up, you should still have access to the keyword tool - go ahead and use that if you need to get on with this project for now.

    As per your local vs. global question, as far as I've seen so far, all of the features I normally use are there, some are even more useful (just a little different).

    Instead of the local/global settings, Google now allows you to geo-target a location... just select the country you're looking for the "local" stats of - here's how I did it for the US: http://i.imgur.com/4u4VMvr.jpg
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  • Profile picture of the author timpears
    You say I can still use the original GKT? How do I access that as I can't see a way to do it. I clicked on GKT in the drop down and am taken to the new version, which I don't really like it. Not adapting to the change very well.

    Edit: Ah, I found the back button to the GKT, FINALLY. Man, I am blind in one eye and can 't see out of the other one. it was right in front of my face and I didn't see it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Karan Rawat
    Don't worry Tim, I did the same mistake, But really Google Keyword Planner Sucks..!
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    • Profile picture of the author timpears
      Originally Posted by Karan Rawat View Post

      Don't worry Tim, I did the same mistake, But really Google Keyword Planner Sucks..!
      Boy, you got that right.:p
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  • Profile picture of the author marketingg
    Now when i search with the tool, its showing me the same results for broad vs exact and the average CPC is completely off...

    What do you guys use for keyword research and estimating CPC? Id appreciate any advice as im not sure how advanced marketers could be using this tool that seems to be so off. Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author btyiw
    How do I go by accessing the original GTK? I'm really not feeling this new keyword planner, the stats are completely off.
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  • Profile picture of the author soharox
    I dont like keyword planner.
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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    It's a pain in the @ss. I can't even see the keywords.. all I see are numbers and amount...
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Why are you guys in panic mode, the new tool is showing the same data as the old keyword tool.

    Click the Keyword ideas tab below the search box on the Keyword Planner page. Done.

    I see 800 keywords for a search (Local, [exact]), downloaded the CSV with no problem.
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    • Profile picture of the author zenichanin
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Why are you guys in panic mode, the new tool is showing the same data as the old keyword tool.

      Click the Keyword ideas tab below the search box on the Keyword Planner page. Done.

      I see 800 keywords for a search (Local, [exact]), downloaded the CSV with no problem.
      This. GKP has all the features of the keyword tool PLUS many many more. You guys need to play around with it for an hour and get used to where everything is.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rhino08
    i guess i am not used to change..set in my ways. i do prefer GKT.
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  • Profile picture of the author DPM70
    And so the panic ensues.....
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  • Profile picture of the author mohssine ait
    GKT changed to GKP
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  • Profile picture of the author Hrkjds
    I even don't like the Keyword Planner Tool..It is much more tricky..Keyword Tool was awesome..
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  • Profile picture of the author ArielT
    In order to use the Keyword planner, must I have an Adword account?
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  • Profile picture of the author Amod Oke
    In order to use the Keyword planner, must I have an Adword account?
    Yes, for keyword planner.
    No, till they still support the external keyword tools (which should be gone in about a month now)
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    • Profile picture of the author msdobe
      I've been having the same questions as everyone here... wondering about exact match, and why the numbers are so far off from the KW tool. I finally found a page that explains a lot.

      https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/3141229?hl=en

      The most important part for me is the following:

      With Keyword Tool, we showed you statistics for broad match by default with the ability to get statistics for other match types, like phrase and exact match. With Keyword Planner, you'll get historical statistics only for exact match. To decide what match type to use with your keywords, add the keyword idea to your plan and review the traffic estimates for each match type.

      In general, you'll notice that the average search volume data is higher in Keyword Planner as compared to the exact match search volume data you got with Keyword Tool. That's because we'll show you the average number of searches for a keyword idea on all devices (desktop and laptop computers, tablets, and mobile phones). With Keyword Tool, we showed you average search volume for desktop and laptop computers by default.

      I agree with just about everyone here... I don't like keyword planner!
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  • Profile picture of the author spyindia
    If you all have any issue with the new version then you can continue with the older version. you have no need to be panic. Just chill guys
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  • Profile picture of the author Hansons
    I would say this keyword planner can be used for the same purpose as we were using GKT... even it is more than GKT, of course you need to learn the features then it would be easy for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author supportline
    So is the 'Broad' search dead?
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken_Stone
      Originally Posted by supportline View Post

      So is the 'Broad' search dead?
      I had the same question except I need to do exact match searches.

      Looks like it's only showing broad searches???
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  • Profile picture of the author ishuvonet
    Its really a shocking news that Google keyword is going away.I am sure the keyword planner will be better than GKT. Its obvious that we are not good with something new,but eventually we all used to it.
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    • Profile picture of the author karthickk3
      It seems to be a strategic play by Google to control the number of queries via Google tool and to make everyone spend more and in short, make it hell. In GKT, I used to see Traffic estimates for different types(broad,etc.,) and CPC at very first screen, even before adding them to the ideas shortlisted. Here, In the first screen, It does not give the option to choose the match type and only in the plan screen, it shows that option. But no traffic estimates in that screen, you will only clicks, impressions. So what if I want to add a new keyword and see its traffic? I'll have to go back right?

      Plus, is it showing only exact search estimates at first screen? or is it a broad estimates?
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  • Profile picture of the author kbclickbank
    I faced exactly same problem few days ago. Few things which I could think in your situation would be the cache, cookies issue. Try clearing the cache, cookies and then using the tool. Hope then it works.

    Thanks !
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  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
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    With some quite hours spent, no cellphones, no TV, no interviews etc etc, you can learn how GKP, will not only save you hours, but save you $$$'s on getting a great combination of suggested words for your sites/ads/landers/cpa offers, that are far more honed that the old version.

    Anyone who has no idea what Google Keyword Planner is, simply go to your gmail account and sign up for it!

    Have a play and learn from your own tutoring, much more fun that way, when you are confident, chuck a $20 in the ad balance and see what you have learnt :-)
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  • Profile picture of the author ksummers
    I was about to launch into this thread and say, "hey, give it time so you can get used to the new tool", and then I tried it for myself. Maybe for PPC it's better but for a quick keyword search for SEO purposes I had to click this,click that,check this box,select this from a drop down etc. etc. Not particularly easy to use first time around but I will get used to it, and no doubt they will tweak it if complaints flood in.
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  • Profile picture of the author seoace
    Google Keyword Tool is such a basic keyword tool that unless you are doing PPC then its not even worth using.

    This keyword research guide might help out those who are still stuck using GKT:

    http://course.reporb.com/the-ultimate-non-technical-guide-to-keyword-research
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  • Profile picture of the author TravisO
    hi All.

    The classic keyword tool from google is gone. They've been into keyword planner thingy. Now, who has an idea how to check monthly search for a keyword/phrase other than google?

    Regards,
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    • Profile picture of the author ldiaz117
      I dont like it but I figured it out.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Is it really that hard to get an adword account? Had mine for years so don't know but people make it sound like a big thing that you now have to have an adwords account.
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      • Profile picture of the author TravisO
        Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

        Is it really that hard to get an adword account? Had mine for years so don't know but people make it sound like a big thing that you now have to have an adwords account.
        I just don't have enough time to learn it lol.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeff Harper
          Originally Posted by TravisO View Post

          I just don't have enough time to learn it lol.
          Hi Trav, actually, there are many existing keyword checker there. You can search on google if you want but if you don't have time let the folks help yoiu here.
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        • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
          Originally Posted by TravisO View Post

          I just don't have enough time to learn it lol.
          Sorry, but that's a pretty lousy outlook.

          Admittedly I wasn't fond of it at first. But I sat down, spent about 45 minutes getting used to everything, and now it's fine. I almost prefer it in some aspects.
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    • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
      You may try other alternatives like Wordtracker or Keywordspy.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      It's not that complicated & really If you've used the old keyword tool it's not much different, still has the same filters (local, exact, etc...).
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      • Profile picture of the author bradstern
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        It's not that complicated & really If you've used the old keyword tool it's not much different, still has the same filters (local, exact, etc...).
        This.

        It's very much the same except you cannot use it as a standalone tool anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author G.O.A.T
      Either adapt or fork some money over for some tool. Not too many options.
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    • Profile picture of the author johnstephan25
      Use Spyfu.. its a good one to do competitive analysis too..
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    • Profile picture of the author RickCopy
      its simple... i mean seriously...it took all of 5 minutes to figure out.
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      • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
        Originally Posted by RickCopy View Post

        its simple... i mean seriously...it took all of 5 minutes to figure out.
        Why 'fix' it if it isn't broken. Google seems to change just to change even when though many of their tools are the standard everyone else is judge by. I don't see any improvement and liked it the previous way.

        Maybe I'm just getting old.
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    • Profile picture of the author linkassistant
      Here is where you can read about what changed, and what is what now
      https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2999770
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    • Profile picture of the author G Allan Roberts
      I do not like the Keyword Planner either. But, it not that hard to master. You click the first tab put in your keyword seed. Then you have to click from the "group" tab to the "Keyword" tab.

      The problem I have is the Exact Match option. I am sure it's showing me the exact match numbers.

      But in the long run It does not matter if it's showing me Broad or Exact Match numbers.


      I ran across this other day which looks like a great tool for getting
      longtail keywords:

      Keyword Researcher: A Long Tail Keywords Generator Tool

      (I am not an affiliate - it's just a tool I found)


      I hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
      My best friend. I never like Google but what I do like is adword keyword tool.
      I have longtail and all the rest, like that dog that sniffs ect. I love mine though, quick easy and simple for me to use, its not the most accurate but it works for me.

      Now when I log in and I log in five, ten a hundred times a day it takes me to a page that looks like it is forcing me to do it. Keyword Planner and I don't have the link at top now that says go back.

      Will we not be able to go back to the old style.
      I also have it up on the Remote Desktop connection to the vps and I can still go back there but not on this ip.

      Does anyone know a way to go back and stay there.

      Please tell me you do.
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        And there is no way its right. I have a client who is an attorney and look at these numbers. No way on earth there is only 1,000 searches a month. I mean google tells me one thing and keyword planner stupid thing tells me another.
        workers comp lawyers
        1,000
        High
        $29.56
        0%
        ACCOUNT
        workers comp lawyer
        720
        High
        $32.46
        0%
        ACCOUNT
        texas workers comp lawyer
        40
        High
        $2.32
        0%
        ACCOUNT
        texas workers comp lawyers
        20
        High
        $6.47
        0%
        ACCOUNT
        workmans comp lawyers
        880
        High
        $25.65
        0%
        ACCOUNT
        workers compensation lawyer
        1,000
        High
        $30.58
        0%
        ACCOUNT
        workers compensation lawyers
        1,600
        High
        $27.59
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      • Profile picture of the author sanusense
        It wasn't shocking for me because i have been gone through with this situation in past, they introduced a new Google Planner and focusing on their new project. So, adwords tool now is just a piece of shit !!
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      • Profile picture of the author Hansons
        I do see a little difference in Google Keyword Planer and Old Google Keyword Tool, but I didn't research much about it... I need to check other keyword tools too, to get an estimation.
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      • Profile picture of the author Intrepreneur
        I also think it's crap.

        Very hard to use.

        Plus they treat tablets as desktop computers and there's no way to change this!

        Not that I know of in an enhanced campaign.

        How dare they say a tablet is a desktop because it isn't.
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        • Profile picture of the author samscott10
          I know i had the same problem. actually, until i found out the update i was about to create an app for it. would have made millions
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        • Profile picture of the author spyindia
          Hi.. I am using google adwords tool for keyword research. And I am also want to know about new tool which is available free.
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        • Profile picture of the author patco
          That's good, I just hope after any update that it would be still free. Market Samurai is much better for keywords investigation, but this is a good free alternative!
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by patco View Post

            That's good, I just hope after any update that it would be still free. Market Samurai is much better for keywords investigation, but this is a good free alternative!
            Market Samurai is useless for keyword research. Total overhyped junk.
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            • Profile picture of the author RandySwanston
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Market Samurai is useless for keyword research. Total overhyped junk.
              Partially Agree with this. MS depends mostly on Adwords keyword tool to fetch data, don't know how it might give out accurate data after this update.
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            • Profile picture of the author kid3378
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Market Samurai is useless for keyword research. Total overhyped junk.
              Now that you think of it MS was too reliant to google keyword tool then MS didn't have any good kw research help because of the update. I hope the developers of the tool will find solution on this.

              Anyone using MS experienced the same problem?
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        • Profile picture of the author thilord
          How about SEMRush ?
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        • Profile picture of the author dacash
          I think using the new google adword keyword tools is going to be king for a while. For Market Samurai i stopped using much, i'll use it on the odd occasion.
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        • Profile picture of the author IMDESTROYER
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          im actually having allot of fun using the keyword planner - its useful, everythign is just a little more organized - it just doesnt give you numbers and words in bulk like the adwords tool did.

          Help the thread if you find anything else
          http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...tool-tips.html
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          • Profile picture of the author hipeopo02
            Originally Posted by IMDESTROYER View Post

            im actually having allot of fun using the keyword planner - its useful, everythign is just a little more organized - it just doesnt give you numbers and words in bulk like the adwords tool did.
            what do you mean? like it doesnt like a bunch of related keywords? does it give global/local listings?
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        • Profile picture of the author Moneymaker2012
          yes I heard a lot about it, it's really good to see such a nice software by google.
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        • Profile picture of the author svetod
          Of course it will be free. Google wants people to spend more money on adwords, why would they charge them money for keyword research...
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        • Profile picture of the author ralchevd
          Its funny how most warriors were stressed about Google's Keyword Tool removal, and now after a while, everyone will start to like the Keyword Planner even more than the old Keyword Tool.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          I don't care about MS but they're probably working with a Google Adwords API, which could still be up & running considering the new keyword planner isn't much different as far as data.

          Just because Google changed their own UI doesn't mean their database/API changed.
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        • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
          The Google Keyword Planner is ok, I still prefer the older version right now but may end up liking the new one in the future.
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      • Profile picture of the author thilord
        Keyword Planner provides more accurate data then Keyword Tool.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by samscott10 View Post

        eg. the keyword tool told me a term had 40,000 monthly searches and the adwords tool is telling me 1000 monthly searches
        Instead of bashing it, you should be thanking the tool. It just did you a huge favor.

        The old tool showed broad search results by default. It was a useless number. That is where your 40,000 searches were coming up.

        The new tool shows exact search data only, which is what really matters when you are looking at search volume.

        You screwed up. Not the tool.

        Originally Posted by samscott10 View Post

        Update:

        For anyone curious, i just stumbled onto a tool called traffic travis. It has a research tool in it. It seems much more accurate.
        Traffic Travis pulls its data from Google, so the data is not more accurate. It is identical. And if it is not identical, then TT is not pulling the right data, so I would be worried about that.
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        • Profile picture of the author Elle Holder
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          The new tool shows exact search data only, which is what really matters when you are looking at search volume..
          Thank you! I haven't had much time to check the new tool out, but the few times I did look at it, I was stumped on the exact match numbers. I'd go into the menu and change my criteria to exact and realize that the numbers didn't change and didn't have brackets. Just figured I was doing something wrong and haven't got around to figuring it out.

          You just saved me the time!
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Elle Holder View Post

            Thank you! I haven't had much time to check the new tool out, but the few times I did look at it, I was stumped on the exact match numbers. I'd go into the menu and change my criteria to exact and realize that the numbers didn't change and didn't have brackets. Just figured I was doing something wrong and haven't got around to figuring it out.

            You just saved me the time!
            Yeah, I was having that same problem.

            Then I found this. It's listed under the second heading.

            https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/3141229

            They only are showing exact match search volumes. If you change to broad or phrase, that only impacts the clicks and cost that are listed.

            It will definitely be a good change for newbies using the tool for picking keywords to target for SEO campaigns. I think just about everyone made the mistake of looking at broad search numbers when they first got started.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              This thread illustrates to me one of my greatest complaints with people who get into SEO these days. WAAAAAAY to many people get into it and even call themselves SEOs who have taken no time whatsoever to learn SEO.

              The fact that almost all the tools out there pull from google is just basic stuff. Traffic Travis as Mike points out does the same. Where in the world do people expect to get better data of what searches are made at Google than Google? Its their data after all and no one else has direct access to it.

              Everything else out there are guesstimates. Another search engines data might be useful but again nothing says the searches are the same (can't be given SEs like Bing get different traffic).

              learn to use the new Keyword planner tool. whining about it is like arguing about having to pay taxes. I Never read anyone argue themselves out of having to pay it even though they waste time and effort claiming they shouldn't have to.

              Finally learn the SEO industry. Google does not care a figs leaf about you getting good keyword research for organic ranking. they only provide it because of adword advertisers to give them some direction. Thats never been entirely accurate and it probably never will be.
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              • Profile picture of the author aygabtu
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                The fact that almost all the tools out there pull from google is just basic stuff. Traffic Travis as Mike points out does the same. Where in the world do people expect to get better data of what searches are made at Google than Google? Its their data after all and no one else has direct access to it.
                I beg to differ. They may know the true numbers, but do they really provide it to us especially for advertising rates. In my experience, they greatly over-inflate the costs to be on the first page for keywords, hoping people will bid higher. I've seen ridiculous numbers for some keyword terms.

                If they truly have a handle on all their metrics then they are lying to us. I think the issue is a little of both.
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                • Profile picture of the author paulgl
                  The adwords tool was/is always crap...if you used them the wrong
                  way and tried to extrapolate other data from what it was intended.
                  Nobody in their right mind would have ever taken what it gives and
                  made anything out of it other than a "hmmmmm. Okay. Let's see now..."
                  (what you do next is the difference between the men and the boys.)

                  Perhaps that's just a rephrasing of Mike A...

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                  Originally Posted by aygabtu View Post

                  I beg to differ. They may know the true numbers,
                  If they truly have a handle on all their metrics then they are lying to us. I think the issue is a little of both.
                  I'm not saying Google always releases the right data. I am saying no one else has it to release.

                  I can look at 99 percent of the marketers sites here and I bet you they have adwords on them how much you want to bet.
                  I will bet that more people have shown me their sites over the years than you and no your 99% is greatly inflated. A good percentage - certainly higher than 1% - use affiliate marketing, others use CPA, a few sell links and banner space per impression and still another group here have their own products or company they sell products for. Second I said nothing about adsense. I said adwords. The keyword tool is designed by Google mostly to be used by adword advertisers

                  Besides all this, its a forum, if we can't release a little steam here then its not home.
                  blow all the steam you want my man but you will have to go right back to figuring out how to use the tool instead of complaining about something you will never change.
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      • Profile picture of the author watkip
        I had some bad experiences with google's keyword volume tools too.

        The old keyword tool said 100k p/month
        new one said 12k/month

        i ranked first place and i have days that i get 3 visitors through this keyword
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by watkip View Post

          I had some bad experiences with google's keyword volume tools too.

          The old keyword tool said 100k p/month
          new one said 12k/month

          i ranked first place and i have days that i get 3 visitors through this keyword
          Two things... In the old tool, you were probably looking at the broad search data, which is useless.

          Second, are you sure you are ranked #1 and not just getting personalized results?
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          • Profile picture of the author watkip
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Two things... In the old tool, you were probably looking at the broad search data, which is useless.

            Second, are you sure you are ranked #1 and not just getting personalized results?
            Hi Mike!

            No i wasn't ofcourse!

            Yes, serp and keyword checkers is what i check and verify my position with.

            Sounds skeptical, but its true... sadly! kind off weird if u ask me
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              Are you sure you guys are not targeting keywords trending downward? There are some terms that get killer averages based on a surge that is dying out and then some that are averaged out over the year but really only get searches at certain times of the year.

              but yeah going back for years the keyword tool has had the tendency to over report. Gets those adwords advertisers running more campaigns.
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      • Profile picture of the author sasag
        broad and exact are different as mike said, so 1k is exact 40k is broad
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      • Profile picture of the author seoed
        Second, are you sure you are ranked #1 and not just getting personalized results?
        hm, this could be the case. I cannot imagine that you get just 3 visitors/day when you are at spot 1.

        Use a different browser or a proxy and look again. However, I have to admit that the adwords tool indeed shows some (deliberatly?) false numbers. I also had a case where the tool showed (yes, exact match) 1 mil! per month, but when I was at position 3 I just got around 20-30 visitors per day, lol!

        So, be careful with it!

        I also noticed another strange thing:

        The tool showed me different results for the same keyword (yes, both time it was exact match) when I checked it at different days....
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      • Profile picture of the author SoCal Digital
        I had a feeling that the numbers were off as well.

        I would look at the same keywords i had researched 8 months ago and the numbers are drastically different in a negative way. I think Google is up to something
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        • Profile picture of the author maricar
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          • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
            Guys we can have a hundred threads about the keyword planner tool. Google is not going to change it because a bunch of marketers (who mostly do not even use adwords) complains about it. Its here to stay and no there is no one that is going to have more access search data at google than google.
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            • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
              Just a thought to your thinking. I can look at 99 percent of the marketers sites here and I bet you they have adsense on them how much you want to bet.
              Besides all this, its a forum, if we can't release a little steam here then its not home.


              Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

              Guys we can have a hundred threads about the keyword planner tool. Google is not going to change it because a bunch of marketers (who mostly do not even use adwords) complains about it. Its here to stay and no there is no one that is going to have more access search data at google than google.
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      • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
        My numbers though are 100,000's off and sometimes millions. This is going to work, I will have to break out the sniffing dog.
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        • Profile picture of the author mittel
          The difference in number is due to the fact that keyword planner also includes mobile search by mobile phone and tablet users.

          The CPC is much lower with keyword planner because this is the CPC you could see with traffic estimator, also a google tool. This means the CPC is now more accurate when you have adsense on your site. I have written a small post about this.
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      • Profile picture of the author maricar
        Is there another free keyword tool that is reliable? What are the options? Is it better to pay for one? Please give some answers.

        I agree the numbers are not accurate in the keyword tool.
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      • Profile picture of the author maricar
        Just had a closer look at the tool.
        The low searches is because the keywords are in exact match not broad match as before.
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