Google Keyword Tool

13 years ago

Yo Tim, are you talking about the new Google Keyword Planner specifically?

If it's really holding you up, you should still have access to the keyword tool - go ahead and use that if you need to get on with this project for now.

As per your local vs. global question, as far as I've seen so far, all of the features I normally use are there, some are even more useful (just a little different).

Instead of the local/global settings, Google now allows you to geo-target a location... just select the country you're looking for the "local" stats of - here's how I did it for the US: http://i.imgur.com/4u4VMvr.jpg

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timpears

13 years ago

You say I can still use the original GKT? How do I access that as I can't see a way to do it. I clicked on GKT in the drop down and am taken to the new version, which I don't really like it. Not adapting to the change very well.

Edit: Ah, I found the back button to the GKT, FINALLY. Man, I am blind in one eye and can 't see out of the other one. it was right in front of my face and I didn't see it.

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Karan Rawat

13 years ago

Don't worry Tim, I did the same mistake, But really Google Keyword Planner Sucks..!

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timpears 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Karan Rawat

Don't worry Tim, I did the same mistake, But really Google Keyword Planner Sucks..!

Boy, you got that right.:p
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marketingg

13 years ago

Now when i search with the tool, its showing me the same results for broad vs exact and the average CPC is completely off...

What do you guys use for keyword research and estimating CPC? Id appreciate any advice as im not sure how advanced marketers could be using this tool that seems to be so off. Thanks

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btyiw

13 years ago

How do I go by accessing the original GTK? I'm really not feeling this new keyword planner, the stats are completely off.

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soharox

13 years ago

I dont like keyword planner.

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Adie

13 years ago

It's a pain in the @ss. I can't even see the keywords.. all I see are numbers and amount...

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Why are you guys in panic mode, the new tool is showing the same data as the old keyword tool.

Click the Keyword ideas tab below the search box on the Keyword Planner page. Done.

I see 800 keywords for a search (Local, [exact]), downloaded the CSV with no problem.

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zenichanin

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Why are you guys in panic mode, the new tool is showing the same data as the old keyword tool.

Click the Keyword ideas tab below the search box on the Keyword Planner page. Done.

I see 800 keywords for a search (Local, [exact]), downloaded the CSV with no problem.

This. GKP has all the features of the keyword tool PLUS many many more. You guys need to play around with it for an hour and get used to where everything is.

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Rhino08

13 years ago

i guess i am not used to change..set in my ways. i do prefer GKT.

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DPM70

13 years ago

And so the panic ensues.....

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mohssine ait

13 years ago

GKT changed to GKP

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abdul786 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mohssine ait

GKT changed to GKP

Thanks for letting us know. It was really a time-saver.
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- Karan Rawat 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by abdul786
  
  Thanks for letting us know. It was really a time-saver.
  
  Yes i am Surprised , he really save our time ..!
  
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Hrkjds

13 years ago

I even don't like the Keyword Planner Tool..It is much more tricky..Keyword Tool was awesome..

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ArielT

13 years ago

In order to use the Keyword planner, must I have an Adword account?

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Amod Oke

13 years ago

In order to use the Keyword planner, must I have an Adword account?

Yes, for keyword planner.
No, till they still support the external keyword tools (which should be gone in about a month now)

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msdobe 13 years ago

I've been having the same questions as everyone here... wondering about exact match, and why the numbers are so far off from the KW tool. I finally found a page that explains a lot.

https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/3141229?hl=en

The most important part for me is the following:

With Keyword Tool, we showed you statistics for broad match by default with the ability to get statistics for other match types, like phrase and exact match. With Keyword Planner, you'll get historical statistics only for exact match. To decide what match type to use with your keywords, add the keyword idea to your plan and review the traffic estimates for each match type.

In general, you'll notice that the average search volume data is higher in Keyword Planner as compared to the exact match search volume data you got with Keyword Tool. That's because we'll show you the average number of searches for a keyword idea on all devices (desktop and laptop computers, tablets, and mobile phones). With Keyword Tool, we showed you average search volume for desktop and laptop computers by default.

I agree with just about everyone here... I don't like keyword planner!
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spyindia

13 years ago

If you all have any issue with the new version then you can continue with the older version. you have no need to be panic. Just chill guys

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Hansons

13 years ago

I would say this keyword planner can be used for the same purpose as we were using GKT... even it is more than GKT, of course you need to learn the features then it would be easy for you.

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supportline

13 years ago

So is the 'Broad' search dead?

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Ken_Stone 13 years ago

Originally Posted by supportline

So is the 'Broad' search dead?

I had the same question except I need to do exact match searches.

Looks like it's only showing broad searches???
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ishuvonet

13 years ago

Its really a shocking news that Google keyword is going away.I am sure the keyword planner will be better than GKT. Its obvious that we are not good with something new,but eventually we all used to it.

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karthickk3 13 years ago

It seems to be a strategic play by Google to control the number of queries via Google tool and to make everyone spend more and in short, make it hell. In GKT, I used to see Traffic estimates for different types(broad,etc.,) and CPC at very first screen, even before adding them to the ideas shortlisted. Here, In the first screen, It does not give the option to choose the match type and only in the plan screen, it shows that option. But no traffic estimates in that screen, you will only clicks, impressions. So what if I want to add a new keyword and see its traffic? I'll have to go back right?

Plus, is it showing only exact search estimates at first screen? or is it a broad estimates?
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kbclickbank

13 years ago

I faced exactly same problem few days ago. Few things which I could think in your situation would be the cache, cookies issue. Try clearing the cache, cookies and then using the tool. Hope then it works.

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daddykool

13 years ago

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With some quite hours spent, no cellphones, no TV, no interviews etc etc, you can learn how GKP, will not only save you hours, but save you $$$'s on getting a great combination of suggested words for your sites/ads/landers/cpa offers, that are far more honed that the old version.

Anyone who has no idea what Google Keyword Planner is, simply go to your gmail account and sign up for it!

Have a play and learn from your own tutoring, much more fun that way, when you are confident, chuck a $20 in the ad balance and see what you have learnt :-)

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ksummers

13 years ago

I was about to launch into this thread and say, "hey, give it time so you can get used to the new tool", and then I tried it for myself. Maybe for PPC it's better but for a quick keyword search for SEO purposes I had to click this,click that,check this box,select this from a drop down etc. etc. Not particularly easy to use first time around but I will get used to it, and no doubt they will tweak it if complaints flood in.

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seoace

13 years ago

Google Keyword Tool is such a basic keyword tool that unless you are doing PPC then its not even worth using.

This keyword research guide might help out those who are still stuck using GKT:

http://course.reporb.com/the-ultimate-non-technical-guide-to-keyword-research

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TravisO

13 years ago

hi All.

The classic keyword tool from google is gone. They've been into keyword planner thingy. Now, who has an idea how to check monthly search for a keyword/phrase other than google?

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ldiaz117 13 years ago

I dont like it but I figured it out.
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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Is it really that hard to get an adword account? Had mine for years so don't know but people make it sound like a big thing that you now have to have an adwords account.

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TravisO

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Is it really that hard to get an adword account? Had mine for years so don't know but people make it sound like a big thing that you now have to have an adwords account.

I just don't have enough time to learn it lol.

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Jeff Harper 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TravisO

I just don't have enough time to learn it lol.

Hi Trav, actually, there are many existing keyword checker there. You can search on google if you want but if you don't have time let the folks help yoiu here.
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JSProjects 13 years ago

Originally Posted by TravisO

I just don't have enough time to learn it lol.

Sorry, but that's a pretty lousy outlook.

Admittedly I wasn't fond of it at first. But I sat down, spent about 45 minutes getting used to everything, and now it's fine. I almost prefer it in some aspects.
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webdevpro 13 years ago

You may try other alternatives like Wordtracker or Keywordspy.
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yukon Banned 13 years ago

It's not that complicated & really If you've used the old keyword tool it's not much different, still has the same filters (local, exact, etc...).
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- bradstern 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  It's not that complicated & really If you've used the old keyword tool it's not much different, still has the same filters (local, exact, etc...).
  
  This.
  
  It's very much the same except you cannot use it as a standalone tool anymore.
  
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G.O.A.T 13 years ago

Either adapt or fork some money over for some tool. Not too many options.
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johnstephan25 13 years ago

Use Spyfu.. its a good one to do competitive analysis too..
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RickCopy 13 years ago

its simple... i mean seriously...it took all of 5 minutes to figure out.
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- aygabtu 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by RickCopy
  
  its simple... i mean seriously...it took all of 5 minutes to figure out.
  
  Why 'fix' it if it isn't broken. Google seems to change just to change even when though many of their tools are the standard everyone else is judge by. I don't see any improvement and liked it the previous way.
  
  Maybe I'm just getting old.
  
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linkassistant 13 years ago

Here is where you can read about what changed, and what is what now
https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/2999770
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G Allan Roberts 13 years ago

I do not like the Keyword Planner either. But, it not that hard to master. You click the first tab put in your keyword seed. Then you have to click from the "group" tab to the "Keyword" tab.

The problem I have is the Exact Match option. I am sure it's showing me the exact match numbers.

But in the long run It does not matter if it's showing me Broad or Exact Match numbers.

I ran across this other day which looks like a great tool for getting
longtail keywords:

Keyword Researcher: A Long Tail Keywords Generator Tool

(I am not an affiliate - it's just a tool I found)

I hope this helps.
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hustlinsmoke

13 years ago

My best friend. I never like Google but what I do like is adword keyword tool.
I have longtail and all the rest, like that dog that sniffs ect. I love mine though, quick easy and simple for me to use, its not the most accurate but it works for me.

Now when I log in and I log in five, ten a hundred times a day it takes me to a page that looks like it is forcing me to do it. Keyword Planner and I don't have the link at top now that says go back.

Will we not be able to go back to the old style.
I also have it up on the Remote Desktop connection to the vps and I can still go back there but not on this ip.

Does anyone know a way to go back and stay there.

Please tell me you do.

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hustlinsmoke 13 years ago

And there is no way its right. I have a client who is an attorney and look at these numbers. No way on earth there is only 1,000 searches a month. I mean google tells me one thing and keyword planner stupid thing tells me another.
workers comp lawyers
1,000
High
$29.56
0%
ACCOUNT
workers comp lawyer
720
High
$32.46
0%
ACCOUNT
texas workers comp lawyer
40
High
$2.32
0%
ACCOUNT
texas workers comp lawyers
20
High
$6.47
0%
ACCOUNT
workmans comp lawyers
880
High
$25.65
0%
ACCOUNT
workers compensation lawyer
1,000
High
$30.58
0%
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workers compensation lawyers
1,600
High
$27.59
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sanusense 13 years ago

It wasn't shocking for me because i have been gone through with this situation in past, they introduced a new Google Planner and focusing on their new project. So, adwords tool now is just a piece of shit !!
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Hansons 13 years ago

I do see a little difference in Google Keyword Planer and Old Google Keyword Tool, but I didn't research much about it... I need to check other keyword tools too, to get an estimation.
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Intrepreneur 13 years ago

I also think it's crap.

Very hard to use.

Plus they treat tablets as desktop computers and there's no way to change this!

Not that I know of in an enhanced campaign.

How dare they say a tablet is a desktop because it isn't.
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- samscott10 13 years ago
  
  I know i had the same problem. actually, until i found out the update i was about to create an app for it. would have made millions
  
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IMDESTROYER

Banned 13 years ago

Check it out for yourself

https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/3141229

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spyindia 13 years ago

Hi.. I am using google adwords tool for keyword research. And I am also want to know about new tool which is available free.
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patco

13 years ago

That's good, I just hope after any update that it would be still free. Market Samurai is much better for keywords investigation, but this is a good free alternative!

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

That's good, I just hope after any update that it would be still free. Market Samurai is much better for keywords investigation, but this is a good free alternative!

Market Samurai is useless for keyword research. Total overhyped junk.

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RandySwanston 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Market Samurai is useless for keyword research. Total overhyped junk.

Partially Agree with this. MS depends mostly on Adwords keyword tool to fetch data, don't know how it might give out accurate data after this update.
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- MikeFriedman 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by RandySwanston
  
  Partially Agree with this. MS depends mostly on Adwords keyword tool to fetch data, don't know how it might give out accurate data after this update.
  
  Yeah, except it does it at 1/100th of the speed.
  
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kid3378 13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Market Samurai is useless for keyword research. Total overhyped junk.

Now that you think of it MS was too reliant to google keyword tool then MS didn't have any good kw research help because of the update. I hope the developers of the tool will find solution on this.

Anyone using MS experienced the same problem?
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thilord 13 years ago

How about SEMRush ?
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dacash 13 years ago

I think using the new google adword keyword tools is going to be king for a while. For Market Samurai i stopped using much, i'll use it on the odd occasion.
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IMDESTROYER

Banned 13 years ago

im actually having allot of fun using the keyword planner - its useful, everythign is just a little more organized - it just doesnt give you numbers and words in bulk like the adwords tool did.

Help the thread if you find anything else
http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...tool-tips.html

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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by IMDESTROYER

im actually having allot of fun using the keyword planner - its useful, everythign is just a little more organized - it just doesnt give you numbers and words in bulk like the adwords tool did.

what do you mean? like it doesnt like a bunch of related keywords? does it give global/local listings?

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Moneymaker2012 13 years ago

yes I heard a lot about it, it's really good to see such a nice software by google.
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svetod 13 years ago

Of course it will be free. Google wants people to spend more money on adwords, why would they charge them money for keyword research...
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ralchevd 13 years ago

Its funny how most warriors were stressed about Google's Keyword Tool removal, and now after a while, everyone will start to like the Keyword Planner even more than the old Keyword Tool.
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yukon Banned 13 years ago

I don't care about MS but they're probably working with a Google Adwords API, which could still be up & running considering the new keyword planner isn't much different as far as data.

Just because Google changed their own UI doesn't mean their database/API changed.
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SoCal Digital 13 years ago

The Google Keyword Planner is ok, I still prefer the older version right now but may end up liking the new one in the future.
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thilord 13 years ago

Keyword Planner provides more accurate data then Keyword Tool.
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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by samscott10

eg. the keyword tool told me a term had 40,000 monthly searches and the adwords tool is telling me 1000 monthly searches

Instead of bashing it, you should be thanking the tool. It just did you a huge favor.

The old tool showed broad search results by default. It was a useless number. That is where your 40,000 searches were coming up.

The new tool shows exact search data only, which is what really matters when you are looking at search volume.

You screwed up. Not the tool.

Originally Posted by samscott10

Update:

For anyone curious, i just stumbled onto a tool called traffic travis. It has a research tool in it. It seems much more accurate.

Traffic Travis pulls its data from Google, so the data is not more accurate. It is identical. And if it is not identical, then TT is not pulling the right data, so I would be worried about that.

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Elle Holder

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

The new tool shows exact search data only, which is what really matters when you are looking at search volume..

Thank you! I haven't had much time to check the new tool out, but the few times I did look at it, I was stumped on the exact match numbers. I'd go into the menu and change my criteria to exact and realize that the numbers didn't change and didn't have brackets. Just figured I was doing something wrong and haven't got around to figuring it out.

You just saved me the time!

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13 years ago

Originally Posted by Elle Holder

Thank you! I haven't had much time to check the new tool out, but the few times I did look at it, I was stumped on the exact match numbers. I'd go into the menu and change my criteria to exact and realize that the numbers didn't change and didn't have brackets. Just figured I was doing something wrong and haven't got around to figuring it out.

You just saved me the time!

Yeah, I was having that same problem.

Then I found this. It's listed under the second heading.

https://support.google.com/adwords/answer/3141229

They only are showing exact match search volumes. If you change to broad or phrase, that only impacts the clicks and cost that are listed.

It will definitely be a good change for newbies using the tool for picking keywords to target for SEO campaigns. I think just about everyone made the mistake of looking at broad search numbers when they first got started.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

This thread illustrates to me one of my greatest complaints with people who get into SEO these days. WAAAAAAY to many people get into it and even call themselves SEOs who have taken no time whatsoever to learn SEO.

The fact that almost all the tools out there pull from google is just basic stuff. Traffic Travis as Mike points out does the same. Where in the world do people expect to get better data of what searches are made at Google than Google? Its their data after all and no one else has direct access to it.

Everything else out there are guesstimates. Another search engines data might be useful but again nothing says the searches are the same (can't be given SEs like Bing get different traffic).

learn to use the new Keyword planner tool. whining about it is like arguing about having to pay taxes. I Never read anyone argue themselves out of having to pay it even though they waste time and effort claiming they shouldn't have to.

Finally learn the SEO industry. Google does not care a figs leaf about you getting good keyword research for organic ranking. they only provide it because of adword advertisers to give them some direction. Thats never been entirely accurate and it probably never will be.

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aygabtu

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The fact that almost all the tools out there pull from google is just basic stuff. Traffic Travis as Mike points out does the same. Where in the world do people expect to get better data of what searches are made at Google than Google? Its their data after all and no one else has direct access to it.

I beg to differ. They may know the true numbers, but do they really provide it to us especially for advertising rates. In my experience, they greatly over-inflate the costs to be on the first page for keywords, hoping people will bid higher. I've seen ridiculous numbers for some keyword terms.

If they truly have a handle on all their metrics then they are lying to us. I think the issue is a little of both.

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paulgl 13 years ago

The adwords tool was/is always crap...if you used them the wrong
way and tried to extrapolate other data from what it was intended.
Nobody in their right mind would have ever taken what it gives and
made anything out of it other than a "hmmmmm. Okay. Let's see now..."
(what you do next is the difference between the men and the boys.)

Perhaps that's just a rephrasing of Mike A...

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by aygabtu

I beg to differ. They may know the true numbers,
If they truly have a handle on all their metrics then they are lying to us. I think the issue is a little of both.

I'm not saying Google always releases the right data. I am saying no one else has it to release.

I can look at 99 percent of the marketers sites here and I bet you they have adwords on them how much you want to bet.

I will bet that more people have shown me their sites over the years than you and no your 99% is greatly inflated. A good percentage - certainly higher than 1% - use affiliate marketing, others use CPA, a few sell links and banner space per impression and still another group here have their own products or company they sell products for. Second I said nothing about adsense. I said adwords. The keyword tool is designed by Google mostly to be used by adword advertisers

Besides all this, its a forum, if we can't release a little steam here then its not home.

blow all the steam you want my man but you will have to go right back to figuring out how to use the tool instead of complaining about something you will never change.

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watkip

13 years ago

I had some bad experiences with google's keyword volume tools too.

The old keyword tool said 100k p/month
new one said 12k/month

i ranked first place and i have days that i get 3 visitors through this keyword

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MikeFriedman

13 years ago

Originally Posted by watkip

I had some bad experiences with google's keyword volume tools too.

The old keyword tool said 100k p/month
new one said 12k/month

i ranked first place and i have days that i get 3 visitors through this keyword

Two things... In the old tool, you were probably looking at the broad search data, which is useless.

Second, are you sure you are ranked #1 and not just getting personalized results?

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watkip

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Two things... In the old tool, you were probably looking at the broad search data, which is useless.

Second, are you sure you are ranked #1 and not just getting personalized results?

Hi Mike!

No i wasn't ofcourse!

Yes, serp and keyword checkers is what i check and verify my position with.

Sounds skeptical, but its true... sadly! kind off weird if u ask me

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Mike Anthony 13 years ago

Are you sure you guys are not targeting keywords trending downward? There are some terms that get killer averages based on a surge that is dying out and then some that are averaged out over the year but really only get searches at certain times of the year.

but yeah going back for years the keyword tool has had the tendency to over report. Gets those adwords advertisers running more campaigns.
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sasag 13 years ago

broad and exact are different as mike said, so 1k is exact 40k is broad
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seoed 13 years ago

Second, are you sure you are ranked #1 and not just getting personalized results?

hm, this could be the case. I cannot imagine that you get just 3 visitors/day when you are at spot 1.

Use a different browser or a proxy and look again. However, I have to admit that the adwords tool indeed shows some (deliberatly?) false numbers. I also had a case where the tool showed (yes, exact match) 1 mil! per month, but when I was at position 3 I just got around 20-30 visitors per day, lol!

So, be careful with it!

I also noticed another strange thing:

The tool showed me different results for the same keyword (yes, both time it was exact match) when I checked it at different days....
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SoCal Digital

13 years ago

I had a feeling that the numbers were off as well.

I would look at the same keywords i had researched 8 months ago and the numbers are drastically different in a negative way. I think Google is up to something

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13 years ago

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Guys we can have a hundred threads about the keyword planner tool. Google is not going to change it because a bunch of marketers (who mostly do not even use adwords) complains about it. Its here to stay and no there is no one that is going to have more access search data at google than google.

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hustlinsmoke

13 years ago

Just a thought to your thinking. I can look at 99 percent of the marketers sites here and I bet you they have adsense on them how much you want to bet.
Besides all this, its a forum, if we can't release a little steam here then its not home.

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Guys we can have a hundred threads about the keyword planner tool. Google is not going to change it because a bunch of marketers (who mostly do not even use adwords) complains about it. Its here to stay and no there is no one that is going to have more access search data at google than google.

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hustlinsmoke 13 years ago

My numbers though are 100,000's off and sometimes millions. This is going to work, I will have to break out the sniffing dog.
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- mittel 13 years ago
  
  The difference in number is due to the fact that keyword planner also includes mobile search by mobile phone and tablet users.
  
  The CPC is much lower with keyword planner because this is the CPC you could see with traffic estimator, also a google tool. This means the CPC is now more accurate when you have adsense on your site. I have written a small post about this.
  
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maricar 13 years ago

Is there another free keyword tool that is reliable? What are the options? Is it better to pay for one? Please give some answers.

I agree the numbers are not accurate in the keyword tool.
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maricar 13 years ago

Just had a closer look at the tool.
The low searches is because the keywords are in exact match not broad match as before.
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