Monetizing a Private Blog Network

13 years ago

You don't need to monetize it..

No one is ever going to find out if you keep it SECURED as it should.

Besides, do you intend to rank the network? That would be a bad idea.

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ChristianSites 13 years ago

John -

I realize I don't have to monetize it, and I know no one will find out (as long as I don't share it).

Couldn't I monetize it, though? As long as it was a different program (CPA?), so that any tracking information would be different?

Also, why wouldn't I want to rank it? I know it's not a main goal, but is there a downside to having a PBN site on page 1?
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- danparks 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ChristianSites
  
  Couldn't I monetize it, though? As long as it was a different program (CPA?), so that any tracking information would be different?
  
  You're trying to minimize the footprint of the network. You want to come in under the radar. That means you don't want to do anything but use it to rank other sites. Any one site in a private network isn't complex - it's a simple site with some articles and links to money sites. It's not like you put a lot of time, effort and money into any one site in a network. You don't need to try to recoup money for the small investment in the site by other means - you are, or should be, making the money back and more from the clients you're ranking with the site.
  
  If you want to try to make a little money from a website, just create a website and leave it out of your network and then do whatever you think it takes to make that site profitable. Don't do anything to draw attention to your network sites (no AdSense, no Google Analytics, etc). If by some odd chance you did have a network site that started getting good traffic and you saw some potential for monetization, then I'd take it out of the network and use it as a standalone site and treat it as such and then do what it takes to try to make it known to the Internet world, get more traffic, convert visitors, etc.
  
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  Mike Anthony 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by johnben1444
  
  Besides, do you intend to rank the network? That would be a bad idea.
  
  Pretty much this
  
  Originally Posted by danparks
  
  you are, or should be, making the money back and more from the clients you're ranking with the site.
  
  and that.
  
  Ranking them would be a baaaaaad idea since your competitors in that serp will b examining them and if not ranking them you won't get much traffic. Then like Dan says using it to rank should be making you enough money to cover those minor costs anyway.
  
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  ChristianSites 13 years ago
  
  Dan and Mike - Thanks for the replies; they helped quite a bit. I now have a couple other questions, though.
  
  My intention for a PBN would be to rank my sites, and only my own sites. I wasn't intending to help others (I realize this is the most common way to profit from a BN).
  
  From this point of view, am I right in thinking: It would be possible to monetize these, without leaving a footprint. However, the effort that I would have to invest in monetizing and ranking would have a better ROI if invested into my main money site(s). Moreover, the increase in my money site should cover the cost of the PBN.
  
  Second, what if I had two or three money sites? (1) Should I just keep them on the same server/IP and not worry about it, while linking to both from the PBN? (2) Should I try to eliminate any common footprint, monetize both sites and link between them? This would be in an effort to try to improve rankings of each slightly. (3) Should I eliminate the footprint and link to both of them from the PBN?
  
  Finally, is there a way to monetize a PBN, without ever disclosing the site? As a client, I would want to know what site my link was coming from. Are there PBNs that don't share the link? What evidence do they provide? If there is any text, then the site can be easily found with Google or CopyScape. If it's just a link, couldn't any sizeable (even just 5-10) links be traced through ahrefs?
  
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  Mike Anthony 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by ChristianSites
  
  Finally, is there a way to monetize a PBN, without ever disclosing the site? As a client, I would want to know what site my link was coming
  
  yes you can get SEO clients that are not like yourself. Besides wanting to make sure that bad links are not being sent to their sites the average business owner cares only about three things - none of them links -
  
  A) ranking
  B) traffic
  C) sales
  
  Most people on here are link service buyers. Skip them and go to business owners and you will not have to do the absolutely crazy thing of sending clients (most of them paying very little) a list of all your network properties.
  
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ChristianSites

13 years ago

One more question: If I only plan on using the site for my own purposes, is ranking still a bad idea?

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChristianSites

(1) Should I just keep them on the same server/IP and not worry about it, while linking to both from the PBN?

(2) Should I try to eliminate any common footprint, monetize both sites and link between them? This would be in an effort to try to improve rankings of each slightly.

(3) Should I eliminate the footprint and link to both of them from the PBN?

Finally, is there a way to monetize a PBN, without ever disclosing the site? As a client, I would want to know what site my link was coming from. Are there PBNs that don't share the link? What evidence do they provide? If there is any text, then the site can be easily found with Google or CopyScape.

If it's just a link, couldn't any sizeable (even just 5-10) links be traced through ahrefs?

Thanks for all the help!

All your questions can be answered shortly. If Google do manual review it can easily find all the websites existing within a network even if you use different IP or even hosting accounts, target different money sites, link between or not between the money sites etc. We try to avoid footprints to fool the machine only. So if any competitor report and in reply Google wants to do manual review then its going to be harsh for you. But I am recommending you not to interlink moneysites or private blogging sites, not to try to rank them etc. to avoid machine readable footprints only.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

All your questions can be answered shortly. If Google do manual review it can easily find all the websites existing within a network even if you use different IP or even hosting accounts, target different money sites, link between or not between the money sites etc.

This is false. Since part of doing it right is not linking from every single site to the same sites even a manual review need not expose your entire network.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

This is false. Since part of doing it right is not linking from every single site to the same sites even a manual review need not expose your entire network.

Your sentence structures make me confused every single time I try to read your threads/answers. Most of the time can't understand what you mean! Just understood you pointed to something that was false in your opinion. :p

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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

All your questions can be answered shortly. If Google do manual review it can easily find all the websites existing within a network even if you use different IP or even hosting accounts, target different money sites, link between or not between the money sites etc.

..............................................How?

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

..............................................How?

Lets say you have 20 websites hosted on different servers. You built backlinks to a money site from those 20 PBN sites. Now if google have just one suspicious private site on their hand then rest 19 sites along with the money site can be found easily as they are somehow interlinked. Unfortunately most of the time by analyzing websites of a PBN anyone can easily understand that the sites are built for backlinks only. Al most all private sites are poorly designed. I have noticed many private sites which even didn't remove "hello world" or created categories.

Now lets say you are building backlinks to 5 different money sites using the same 20 domain PBN then watching OBLs from the PBN Google can easily determine how many and which sites are using the PBN no matter whether they are on different server or not, use different wordpress themes or not, use different CMS or not bla bla bla...

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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

Lets say you have 20 websites hosted on different servers. You built backlinks to a money site from those 20 PBN sites. Now if google have just one suspicious private site on their hand then rest 19 sites along with the money site can be found easily as they are somehow interlinked. Unfortunately most of the time by analyzing websites anyone can easily understand that the sites are built for backlinks only. Al most all private sites are poorly designed.

Now lets say you are building backlinks to 5 different money sites using the same 20 domain PBN then watching OBLs from the PBN Google can easily determine how many sites are using the PBN no matter whether they are on different server or not, use different wordpress themes or not, use different CMS or not bla bla bla...

restating the statement with different words isn't answer.

again.....

how?

"Google can easily determine..."

"The money site can be found easily as they are somehow interlinked...."

Saying what G can do isn't an answer especially when you don't really know their limitations and links on a website aren't evidence of a private blog network.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

restating the statement with different words isn't answer.

again.....

how?

"Google can easily determine..."

"The money site can be found easily as they are somehow interlinked...."

Saying what G can do isn't an answer especially when you don't really know their limitations and links on a website aren't evidence of a private blog network.

I never noticed any STUPID reply than this one. Can't you check Links using any software or yourself? Before asking me in this "wanna be guru" attitude learn something and then come back to talk.

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

I never noticed any STUPID reply than this one. Can't you check Links using any software or yourself? Before asking me in this "wanna be guru" attitude learn something and then come back to talk.

You entirely missed the point so maybe you might want to tone it down.

As hipeopo will tell you I am not his greatest fan (nor me his) but the questions is not that stupid as you make it out to be. You see the thing that you are assuming is that the networks sites are built in such a way that they can be detected as a PBN which need NOT be the case with all networks. Google finding 20 sites linking to your money site only becomes an issue if the sites are detectable as not real sites. Hipeo's point is 20 sites simply linking to you is not an automatic red flag if they in fact look natural.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

You entirely missed the point so maybe you might want to tone it down.

As hipeopo will tell you I am not his greatest fan (nor me his) but the questions is not that stupid as you make it out to be. You see the thing that you are assuming is that the networks sites are built in such a way that they can be detected as a PBN which need NOT be the case with all networks. Google finding 20 sites linking to your money site only becomes an issue if the sites are detectable as not real sites. Hipeo's point is 20 sites simply linking to you is not an automatic red flag if they in fact look natural.

I see hipeopo should ask this question to you rather asking to me! Lol.
Well can't understand whats the problem with some guys! I used the word "almost" when I was talking about private sites. I said almost all websites of private networks are poorly designed (and you know it too) so these can be detected as "built for links" only easily. Of course I am not talking about the networks which are built sensibly with care and time as well as money investment. Can't understand how a guy like you are seeing mistakes in my answers!!

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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

I never noticed any STUPID reply than this one. Can't you check Links using any software or yourself? Before asking me in this "wanna be guru" attitude learn something and then come back to talk.

I have read previous posts by you. You tend to assume you know what G does. How you do this is beyond me and seems like a waste of time since you know you don't know what they really do.

You should look up the concept of "intent." I can see English isn't your first language but unless G can prove someone's intent they can just assume linked sites are part of a PBN. They would have been knocked down sites left and right if this was the case.

You know how PBN's go down? The same way drug dealers go down or anyone else selling something they shouldn't be selling. That's all. If you give off signals that you are selling links/trading links for profit then you might be at risk.

A PBN should have a private customer base too (if you are selling). The more people the know about it the more risk. Simple?

If the PBN is just for you then you are golden.

I am not convinced that a simply link structure will bring down a PBN.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

I have read previous posts by you. You tend to assume you know what G does.

Prove in which thread/reply I said that I know what G does? You have to prove it. Don't try to skip.

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

How you do this is beyond me and seems like a waste of time since you know you don't know what they really do.

What are you talking about? What I said that I don't know? Now you have to talk specifically.

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

You should look up the concept of "intent." I can see English isn't your first language

Of course English is not my first language probably thats why sometime I can't understand what Mike say. To do SEO I don't think I have to grow in USA or in England or in English first country. Now you think you are superior than me as your first language is English? If so then for your kind and keen cooperation I would have to let you know that I can speak, write, understand 8 different languages and I never feel I am good in any of them like the people whose mother tongue is those languages. Can you speak in Arabic like a Native Arabian? If not then is it a great sin?

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

You know how PBN's go down? The same way drug dealers go down or anyone else selling something they shouldn't be selling. That's all. If you give off signals that you are selling links/trading links for profit then you might be at risk.

You are talking about how Google does it previously. Public Networks are down in this fashion. But I was and am talking about how Google can. I said Google can find an entire network if you do this or that. I was talking about footprints. Come on man, now stop wasting your and my time.

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

A PBN should have a private customer base too (if you are selling). The more people the know about it the more risk. Simple?

When I said there is no risk? Quote a single sentence that you found where I am saying against your words. If you cant then why are you advising me?

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

I am not convinced that a simply link structure will bring down a PBN.

Where I said "simply link structure will bring down a PBN"??? Did you really read my replies? I said almost all private networks are poorly designed. Also I mentioned about wordpress themes, CMS, Category etc. to say how networks are often poorly built so that they leave clear footprints. You are waste of time!

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

Lets say you have 20 websites hosted on different servers. You built backlinks to a money site from those 20 PBN sites. .

Again this is a wrong assumption. Having every one of your network sites linking to the same site/sites is not good architecture for a SEO network. Perhaps you can understand this time?

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Again this is a wrong assumption. Having every one of your network sites linking to the same site/sites is not good architecture for a SEO network. Perhaps you can understand this time?

I understand what I am saying. But what are you talking about? Let me know where I am wrong? Specifically.

I am willing to discuss and if I am wrong in any point of course I would admit my mistake. But you have to talk gently and logically.

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ChristianSites

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

Again this is a wrong assumption. Having every one of your network sites linking to the same site/sites is not good architecture for a SEO network. Perhaps you can understand this time?

Mike - I know you talk about this a lot. Would you mind either pointing me to a place where you discuss PBN structure, or would you mind giving a basic overview here?

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChristianSites

Mike - I know you talk about this a lot. Would you mind either pointing me to a place where you discuss PBN structure, or would you mind giving a basic overview here?

Sorry man... I offer a course on it. There are a lot of threads where I have shared things about PBNs but if I went into everything for free here I'd tick off my customers and get a slew of refund requests.

and you know it too

You only think you know what you don't because all you ever get to see are PUBLIC SEO networks. The really private ones only a few people see.

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hipeopo02

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Hossain

Prove in which thread/reply I said that I know what G does? You have to prove it. Don't try to skip.

Here are two statements you made that are absurd:

Originally Posted by Hossain

If your website comes with a German TLD and if you host it into a German Server then there is a possibility google algorithm will give a vote to your site for ranking high in google.de. But after all everything depends on Authority. If google see a website hosted in Australian server which has much better content as well as backlinks comparably your site google will rank high this one before your site.

Originally Posted by Hossain

Page rank depends on Backlinks only.

Originally Posted by Hossain

one suspicious private site

tell me how that site became suspicious to begin with

Originally Posted by Hossain

Unfortunately most of the time by analyzing websites of a PBN anyone can easily understand that the sites are built for backlinks only. Al most all private sites are poorly designed. I have noticed many private sites which even didn't remove "hello world" or created categories..

and what do you mean "anyone can easily understand that the sites are built for backlinks only."

You seem to get to the point where the PBN is "bad" but can't explain how you get there using only one ridiculous example. If Hello World is all you have to go on then you hit a bunch of autoblogs most likely.

Originally Posted by Hossain

Where I said "simply link structure will bring down a PBN"???

This was a typo. I meant to write "simply a link structure"

What I mean is how can ANY link structure whatssoever be deemed to have any more intent to be a PBN than any other network that is completely natural if the PBN sites aren't thrown together spam garbage and actually have quality content and what not (even if it's rehashed)?

SEO'ers are obbessive about algos and "the machines" like its the ******* matrix hahaha.....

There is no algo that can detect PBNs. If you put together quality sites and build a quality network you have nothing to worry about even if your INTENT IS PURE PROFIT. Then you can work with a few people you have some kind of business relationship with and keep a successfull PBN going and growing.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

Here are two statements you made that are absurd:

Originally Posted by Hossain

If your website comes with a German TLD and if you host it into a German Server then there is a possibility google algorithm will give a vote to your site for ranking high in google.de. But after all everything depends on Authority. If google see a website hosted in Australian server which has much better content as well as backlinks comparably your site google will rank high this one before your site.

Originally Posted by Hossain
Page rank depends on Backlinks only.

So these two statements are proving that I want to say I know what Google's does? If so then I can quote thousands of comments here in warriorforum and say comment makers are bragging as they know what Google's does. hahaha.

You are not debating you are simply trying to start a sophistry based quarrel.

Now answer to me specifically what was wrong within those two answers? You have to be specific. Again don't try to skip. You seem to get to the point where the replies were "bad" and how I bragged like I know everything Google does?

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

and what do you mean "anyone can easily understand that the sites are built for backlinks only."

You seem to get to the point where the PBN is "bad" but can't explain how you get there using only one ridiculous example. If Hello World is all you have to go on then you hit a bunch of autoblogs most likely.

Sometimes I think some of you login at warriorforum after leaving your brain into a waste paper box. Now I feel little bit sorry for you! I explained many times what are my points but it seems you are too weak to understand logics.

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

This was a typo. I meant to write "simply a link structure"

Originally Posted by hipeopo02

There is no algo that can detect PBNs. If you put together quality sites and build a quality network you have nothing to worry about even if your INTENT IS PURE PROFIT. Then you can work with a few people you have some kind of business relationship with and keep a successfull PBN going and growing.

It seems you are a greaaaaat SEO. I want to learn from you sir. Let me know firs what you mean by Quality Network? By saying only quality network you are not explaining anything.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Your initial questions already answered. I agree with John and Dan. You should not try to come under the radar and try your best to minimize footprints. Internet is virtually a big sea from where its difficult to find naughty jelly fishes which are helping you to make money. However if you are worried about development and renewal fees then you can contact with a large PBN holder who is willing to share hosting accounts with you so that you can cut some expenses. Which will be like this... Lets say you are going to start a mini network with 20 websites. Now you want to host them into 20 different hosting service provider's account. So the cost will be {20 x (1 - 3)} x 12 = 240$ to 720$. Now if you share hosting then it would be around 120$ to 360$ yearly. Which is pretty good save for a small investor. If you are interested then PM me. I am looking for some stack holders as my network became bulky one.

Well even though its not recommended but you can let your friends or well known guys to post some guest blogs to your site for some charges. Lets say you know 3 guys who are willing to get some backlinks from your network. Now you can allow them to post 1 article for 3$ (or whatever price you think best for you) on each website. Thus {(20 x 3) x 3} = 180$ can be returned easily. This is going to be recurring earnings too. Now if you don't have any friend circle like this one then you can search here in warriorforum for reliable guys easily. Just some work involved but Im pretty sure there are lots of guys who are willing to post on a non spammy network you are going to own.

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markowe

13 years ago

Sounds like unnecessary paranoia to me, avoiding monetising PBN sites - no, I am not really going to try to rank them for anything major, but I do believe those sites ought to pay their way a little (other than by ranking "main" money sites), so what's wrong with a bit of long-tail traffic trickling in and earning a few pennies. That gives a little extra motivation to give those sites love every now and then, and surely that makes them MORE credible as "real" sites! If they cover the costs of their own registration and hosting for that year, I am happy.

Of course, you are not going to be so stupid as to use the same Amazon tag on more than one of them, let alone Adsense, but there are plenty of anonymous ways to monetise a site...

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ChristianSites

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Of course, you are not going to be so stupid as to use the same Amazon tag on more than one of them, let alone Adsense, but there are plenty of anonymous ways to monetise a site...

Without giving yourself away, what are some of the methods one might use?

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markowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by ChristianSites

Without giving yourself away, what are some of the methods one might use?

Yes, no big secret, you just mix up your affiliate offers, and also check which big networks do not generate affiliate links with a unique publisher ID in them.

Just for example, in Amazon, you can set up an Associates tag: mysite1-20 for one site and mysite2-20 for another site, and there is no other info that would identify that tag as belonging to the same publisher/site owner.

The eBay Partner Network for example includes the same "pub=" parameter in all your links so you might want to avoid that.

CJ to the best of my knowledge uses a long tracking number to track clicks that doesn't include any identifiable number that could be connected to you, and anyway, you are allowed to have multiple CJ accounts AFAIK.

Clickbank, you can have as many accounts as you want, with different affiliate codes.

And so on, that's what I meant, there are plenty of ways to monetise sites even with the same program if you are careful and don't use the same site template and everything. That's if Google is even looking for such footprints, which there is NOT much proof of - but it could be in the future so best be on the safe side... But I feel there is nothing wrong with monetising your PBN sites, indeed, it would be weird if none of them WERE monetised!

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jxam69

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Just for example, in Amazon, you can set up an Associates tag: mysite1-20 for one site and mysite2-20 for another site, and there is no other info that would identify that tag as belonging to the same publisher/site owner.

I'm no expert on PBNs, but doesn't Amazon include a unique id for each affiliate?

I thought the part in the affiliate link which says "&camp=nnnn" is the same for all tags coming from the same affiliate.

Wouldn't that expose the network as belonging to the same owner if you used the same Amazon affiliate account?

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markowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by jxam69

I'm no expert on PBNs, but doesn't Amazon include a unique id for each affiliate?

I thought the part in the affiliate link which says "&camp=nnnn" is the same for all tags coming from the same affiliate.

Wouldn't that expose the network as belonging to the same owner if you used the same Amazon affiliate account?

Not to labour the point, because we'll have to agree to disagree on this one, but though you may be right about that camp parameter, I believe the ONLY parameter you have to include in order for links to get tracked is &tag=associateid-20, so you should strip out any others to be on the safe side (obviously check they are indeed getting tracked properly).

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Sounds like unnecessary paranoia to me, avoiding monetising PBN sites - no, I am not really going to try to rank them for anything major, but I do believe those sites ought to pay their way a little (other than by ranking "main" money sites), so what's wrong with a bit of long-tail traffic trickling in and earning a few pennies.

I dunno maybe I can't be bothered with pennies. Maaaan some of you guys must be starving. Choose better niches and business plans for your money sites and you will be able to cover the $2 hosting fees. Shucks I 'd rather add an additional link or two on each domain ( on another page) and use that to rank for something that is meaningful and brings traffic. I'll monetize that.

You can call it paranoia all you want. It I am going to monetize something I want to be able to promote traffic to it and its just insane to try and rank my SEO network sites. Now if I am going to build out the sites fully as authority sites (hate the expression myself) then fine on those but we all very well know thats not going to happen on 20-40 domains and at that point I don't even consider those part of my network anymore - they are money sites.

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Hossain

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I dunno maybe I can't be bothered with pennies. Maaaan some of you guys must be starving. Choose better niches and business plans for your money sites and you will be able to cover the $2 hosting fees. Shucks I 'd rather add an additional link or two on each domain ( on another page) and use that to rank for something that is meaningful and brings traffic. I'll monetize that.

You can call it paranoia all you want. It I am going to monetize something I want to be able to promote traffic to it and its just insane to try and rank my SEO network sites. Now if I am going to build out the sites fully as authority sites (hate the expression myself) then fine on those but we all very well know thats not going to happen on 20-40 domains and at that point I don't even consider those part of my network anymore - they are money sites.

This is. I can't understand what make OP you to think you need to monetize the network? Of course you can share hosting and let get backlinks to your friends to minimize expense but when we decide to develop a network we actually calculate ROI first. You must calculate the network as investment for securing your moneysite and total investment.

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markowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

I dunno maybe I can't be bothered with pennies. Maaaan some of you guys must be starving. Choose better niches and business plans for your money sites and you will be able to cover the $2 hosting fees. Shucks I 'd rather add an additional link or two on each domain ( on another page) and use that to rank for something that is meaningful and brings traffic. I'll monetize that.

You can call it paranoia all you want. It I am going to monetize something I want to be able to promote traffic to it and its just insane to try and rank my SEO network sites. Now if I am going to build out the sites fully as authority sites (hate the expression myself) then fine on those but we all very well know thats not going to happen on 20-40 domains and at that point I don't even consider those part of my network anymore - they are money sites.

I agree, once you have some traction - and you don't want to be spending too much time on that (certainly not trying to rank them) - but I was thinking more of where people are just building out networks and are seeing a lot of initial investment with not much initial return. Anyway, all I mean is slap a few Amazon links on there, nothing spectacular, plus I have bought domains which were once full-on authority sites of one sort or another and actually have potential as money sites. So I'll monetise them (avoiding footprints) AND use them to backlink - win-win!

P.S. Anyway, it's not $2 for hosting, is it, it's $2 + $2 + $2 etc. etc., it all adds up - in business it's called "offsetting your costs", nowt wrong with that.

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danparks

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

P.S. Anyway, it's not $2 for hosting, is it, it's $2 + $2 + $2 etc. etc., it all adds up - in business it's called "offsetting your costs", nowt wrong with that.

Actually it can be less than $2 + $2 + $2...

You can find hosting for $12/year, so that's $1 + $1 + $1...

If you add in $10/year domain registration, then you're at a little over $20/year for one site in a PBN. If you have even just a few SEO clients in the course of a year, $20/year for one PBN site should be nothing.

And ... you can have hosting for even less than $1/month. As your PBN grows, and you have many, many sites, you obviously aren't going to be using all sites for backlinks to each client. So then you can double up and have 2 or 3 domains on one hosting account. Just use one of those domains per client, so even though you have multiple domains on one host, any one client only gets a backlink from one of those hosts.

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danparks 13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

...it's called "offsetting your costs", nowt wrong with that.

In some businesses you can offset costs. In other businesses you can't, or don't want to. For SEO I'd say the risk of offsetting the small cost of hosting sites (exposing the network) isn't worth the benefits (a few bucks).

A lot of businesses don't offset the costs of what it takes to run the business. The profits from the business are what offset the cost. A car mechanic typically doesn't fret about trying to make a few extra bucks a month to offset the cost of his tools - the money he makes from repairing cars offsets the cost.
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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

P.S. Anyway, it's not $2 for hosting, is it, it's $2 + $2 + $2 etc. etc., it all adds up - in business it's called "offsetting your costs", nowt wrong with that.

If you can't offset costs by using your network to rank other sites your business model sucks.

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danparks

13 years ago

Originally Posted by markowe

Sounds like unnecessary paranoia to me, avoiding monetising PBN sites - no, I am not really going to try to rank them for anything major, but I do believe those sites ought to pay their way a little (other than by ranking "main" money sites), so what's wrong with a bit of long-tail traffic trickling in and earning a few pennies.

It absolutely isn't paranoia. The main way people monetize a site is with Google AdWords. You don't want to get Google directly involved in your PBN sites. Why directly hand feed Google information about something you're hoping they don't know, or care, about. Sure, there are other ways than AdWords to monetize a site, but why focus on that aspect of the PBN?

You mentioned "a few pennies" and that's a good, valid point. That's what you'd probably be getting out of a PBN site you try to monetize. If you're doing it right (getting clients that pay you a fair price for SEO), then any one PBN site is going to contribute to you bringing in far more than pennies. No, one PBN site isn't going to make you millions, but it is going to be part of a system that should bring in some fair money.

Again, if one is interested in making a little extra money with a website, then just create a website for that purpose and leave it out of the PBN. Do every trick in the book and jump through every hoop you can to make it profitable. But why risk wreaking a good thing and jeopardize your PBN to try to squeeze a few extra dollars out of one of its sites?

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markowe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by danparks

It absolutely isn't paranoia. The main way people monetize a site is with Google AdWords. You don't want to get Google directly involved in your PBN sites. Why directly hand feed Google information about something you're hoping they don't know, or care, about. Sure, there are other ways than AdWords to monetize a site, but why focus on that aspect of the PBN?

Just to emphasise, whether or not you think monetising PBN sites is a good idea, it definitely is NOT a good idea to use Adsense!

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johnbrown12

13 years ago

Mike is absolutely right

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CageyVet

13 years ago

If you are in ONLY affiliate Marketing, then you use your PBN to rank your affiliate offer properties. If you REALLY NEED to make money from these PBN's, then you sign up for SINGLE affiliate account for each PBN site. Simple, 1 PBN site = 1 affiliate account that is not your MAIN affiliate networks.

This is a HUGE commitment for time, resources, management etc but if you really need extra income from the sites in your affiliate PBN. Then this is the best way because it keeps your network closed, which is the most valuable thing...your network to help make your MAIN MONEY properties make you the bulk of your cash. Also, why way time ranking PBN sites when you should be ranking your MAIN SITES?

If you are in Offline marketing. Well then it is simple, since your PBN network is what is making you money directly. Just sell more packages to customers, simple.

PBN networks are like the admin and worker bee staff of a company. Let them do their jobs and do their jobs well. The main money sites are your sales/product delivery staff. Let them make you all of your money. Trying to make everyone in a company bring in revenue is not a good plan for any business, since it takes time away from people from doing their intended job.

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yukon

Banned 13 years ago

Nothing but a bunch of nonsense in this thread.

Some of you guys act like your hiding from Google, yet at the same time your domains only exist for Google.

Carry on with your covert operations. :rolleyes:

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Mike Anthony

13 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Nothing but a bunch of nonsense in this thread.

Some of you guys act like your hiding from Google, yet at the same time your domains only exist for Google.

Carry on with your covert operations. :rolleyes:

Dude you are racking up the nonsense posts today. If the sites were hidden from Google they could not find the links

. So no we are not acting like that. We would just rather avoid giving them the opportunity of expressing their duplicity by penalizing small owners what they don't penalize names such as Disney, Adobe and Microsoft for ( followed links to their sister, partners and affiliated sites). Plus the links work for Bing and other search engines so fail on the only exist for Google concept as well.

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ChristianSites 13 years ago

Many of you - thanks for the responses. My main take away has been to let a PBN be a PBN and let a money site make money.
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