Redirects and the link juice

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Welcome,

I want to move my old site which is a few months old to a new domain which is about one month old.

Well, the old domain is ranking good but I do not want to pass any penalties, link juice/backlinks from the old domain.

So here is a question, is there any redirect which will NOT pass the link juice/penalties etc.?

If yes how I can setup this redirect?


Thanks
#juice #link #redirects
  • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
    The goal of the redirection is only that I would like not lose my traffic.
    So I will setup this for one, two days and then delete this.
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  • Profile picture of the author kulwantnagi
    Yes, redirection will pass the penalty as well.

    If the traffic is too much then you can redirect for few days and then remove it.

    I won't recommend permanent redirect.
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    • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
      Originally Posted by kulwantnagi View Post

      Yes, redirection will pass the penalty as well.

      If the traffic is too much then you can redirect for few days and then remove it.

      I won't recommend permanent redirect.
      Is there any redirection which will not pass any link juice/penalty?

      And yes, I will redirect it for max. two days.
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by kulwantnagi View Post

      Yes, redirection will pass the penalty as well.

      If the traffic is too much then you can redirect for few days and then remove it.

      I won't recommend permanent redirect.
      People on this forum say the redirect passes a penalty but I haven't seen anyone prove that's the case.

      Think about it for a min., If a redirect passes a penalty then why not use that as an SEO advantage & pass that penalty to a competitions ranked page/site? The passing penalty theory would remove top competition from the SERPs. Then build another site & rank your own page.

      I would be surprised If Google was that reckless to allow a 301 to tank any site on the web. Anything is possible I suppose but I haven't seen any proof of tanking domains with 301s. Then again I don't have any crappy link profiles or penalties to test.
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        People on this forum say the redirect passes a penalty but I haven't seen anyone prove that's the case.

        Think about it for a min., If a redirect passes a penalty then why not use that as an SEO advantage & pass that penalty to a competitions ranked page/site? The passing penalty theory would remove top competition from the SERPs. Then build another site & rank your own page.

        I would be surprised If Google was that reckless to allow a 301 to tank any site on the web. Anything is possible I suppose but I haven't seen any proof of tanking domains with 301s. Then again I don't have any crappy link profiles or penalties to test.
        I can confirm that 301's pass penalties. However, like you said, I believe there has to be a system in place. For me, I was just removing the content. Adding the new content to a new domain, and then 301'ing the old site. The new site ranked for 2-3 weeks, then got penalized.

        So, perhaps Google looks at the on-site to see if the site is the same or similar. As such, I doubt a 301 to a competitor would result in anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
    I read today on BHW that using a domain as a buffer eliminates the penalty. Example:

    Old domain > Buffer Domain > New Domain

    Redirect old to buffer, and redirect buffer to new. Apparently penalty doesn't get passed, but juice does.

    Not confirmed by myself as of yet though - still need to test it.
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    • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
      How about 302 redirection?

      Does is pass the juice links?
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      • Profile picture of the author Icematikx
        Originally Posted by gladiator80 View Post

        How about 302 redirection?

        Does is pass the juice links?
        No. You need 301 for the juice to flow.
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        • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
          Originally Posted by Icematikx View Post

          No. You need 301 for the juice to flow.
          Ok, so I will use 302 redirection for a few days...
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  • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
    Any more thoughts about 302 redirection?

    Is it 100% safe?

    Or is there any other safe redirection?
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  • Profile picture of the author dbk03
    More and more reports are showing that redirects are not transmitting the penalty and they do great when it comes to passing some link juice.
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    • Profile picture of the author paulgl
      I had to read that post 20 times. Is this really what it said? I quoted it:
      Originally Posted by gladiator80 View Post

      Well, the old domain is ranking good but I do not want to pass any penalties, link juice/backlinks from the old domain.

      So here is a question, is there any redirect which will pass the link juice/penalties etc.?

      If yes how I can setup this redirect?

      Why on earth would you want to setup a redirect that passed penalties?

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      • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
        Originally Posted by paulgl View Post

        I had to read that post 20 times. Is this really what it said? I quoted it:


        Why on earth would you want to setup a redirect that passed penalties?

        Paul
        Sorry, I meant that any redirection which will NOT pass the link juice/penalties etc.?

        Of course...
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  • Profile picture of the author LuckyIMer
    The link juice will be transferred to the new domain.

    I have wrote a topic about how to redirect an old website to a new website, you can check here: http://www.warriorforum.com/search-e...n-rebrand.html
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  • Profile picture of the author Rank Watch
    Originally Posted by gladiator80 View Post

    Welcome,

    I want to move my old site which is a few months old to a new domain which is about one month old.

    Well, the old domain is ranking good but I do not want to pass any penalties, link juice/backlinks from the old domain.

    So here is a question, is there any redirect which will pass the link juice/penalties etc.?

    If yes how I can setup this redirect?


    Thanks
    Redirect it for a couple of days, let the new site get indexed. Once that is done remove the redirections and start building quality links for the new site.
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  • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
    Any more thoughts on this?

    I am going probably to use 302 redirection for a two days, I hope it will not pass any link juice or penalty.
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    • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
      Originally Posted by jgiacomini View Post

      I would not permanent redirect!!
      I will defenitly not use 301 redirection.
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  • Profile picture of the author RadiantDarkness
    Well considering this is my first post and many of you don't know who I am. RadiantDarkness -Global Mod from BHU. I will dive in and answer this as 301's and BH SEO are something I like to play with on the lead generation side for my clients. I typically keep client sites clean, but run some churn and burners/parasites on the side to give them leads QUICKLY.

    So when dealing with old penalized domains you can do a few strategies in order to "filter" the penalty.

    One of those is by 301'ing the PENALIZED domain to a wordpress site that you own. If you used to rank then in approximately 72 hours that wordpress site will rank. You should be tracking this in order for this method to work. Once the Wordpress site ranks, setup a new money site, let's call it Moneysite 2. Allow the rankings to stabilize on wordpress and then 301 from wordpress to your new money site.

    I've been using this to filter penalties for the past 18 months or so and it works really well.

    Also for those who say that 301's with a penalty won't knock out your competitors... I wonder why many BH'ers I talk to own negative 301 networks when dealing with massive competition. If you can't beat them join them or knock them out. I don't do this, but I know when I was learning how to filter penalties it came at a cost of losing some sites that meant a lot to me.

    Now for those who are not aware, 301's don't pass 100% juice especially when you are filtering them through another property (wordpress). So often times your rankings will come back maybe 5-10 spots behind where they originally were. In this case just add some links and let them settle. You should be on the road to recovery.

    Good Luck! 302's have been nerfed sadly ;/ they used to be great for filtering algorythmic penalties
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  • Profile picture of the author Scaramanga
    Do you have reason to believe that the old site has been penalized? You say it's still ranking good
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    • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
      Originally Posted by Scaramanga View Post

      Do you have reason to believe that the old site has been penalized? You say it's still ranking good
      Maybe it is, maybe it is not.

      But I would not like to pass the link juice.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        A 302 will not do much, either way.

        If you really want to pass nothing, take the site offline. Park the domain.
        Do a redirect via your domain company. Most do it for free. That way,
        any traffic still gets redirected, but the site does not exist.
        And you don't have to pay for hosting fees.

        Paul
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      • Profile picture of the author Scaramanga
        Originally Posted by gladiator80 View Post

        Maybe it is, maybe it is not.

        But I would not like to pass the link juice.


        If the old domain is ranking well, it is probably safe to say there isn't a penalty to worry about.
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        • Profile picture of the author gladiator80
          Originally Posted by Scaramanga View Post

          If the old domain is ranking well, it is probably safe to say there isn't a penalty to worry about.
          Well, what I see is that:
          Site ranks in the first place (first page) on google searchs results for some keywords, but for some other it is ranking in a far pages (5,6 pages).

          It did rank better in the past.

          Anyway, does 302 redirection pass the link juice?
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  • For some reason I cannot start a post here so I hope OP isn't offended by my asking a question here on the redirect topic:

    May be a silly question but 'Is it possible to have domains re-direct to hosted sites according to time?'

    eg: Can I have a clients domain name/business name go to a certain website say Monday to Friday between 9am and 5pm and the same domain go to an alternative website say Monday to Friday between 5pm and Midnight? (Or even Alternative Pages/Menus on the Same Website)
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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Vick
    A couple years ago I was hit with a penalty on my main money site. I had created bad links to it (didn't know what I was doing). To recover, I created a new site with the same pages and 301'ed each page from the old site to the new one. Within a month I was getting traffic again.

    I used some steps I found in a BH forum which included adding the old site and new site to the same Google webmaster tools account and specifying the "change of address" option.
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  • Profile picture of the author SupplementTalk
    these are all valid points but to me it has to somewhat pass negative link juice too. Several people purchase domains with lots of backlinks to pass/redirect to a website for a POSSITIVE advantage. I would think that if the site was sandboxed or flagged by Google that the redirect would have a NEGATIVE impact on your new site. Just makes sense.
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