IM SICK OF IT... SEO is childs play

[JerrickYeoh]

SEO methods is fix and dead. You can learn it all easily.
The problem of many people looking for SEO service because they do not have time and resource on it.
It maybe bored by keep on building backlink manually.

[rafiseo]

The person who is new in SEO world if think SEO is tough then he/she cant be Fool! its just lack of knowledge and experience.

Originally Posted by yukon

Yep, cavemen are very misleading!

What about MR. T, is that better?

[caskofdregs]

Yukon, I love your sig. I have been listening to quite a lot of GnR recently and those two songs were among my favorites. Besides the obvious ones I also love Bad Obsession, Locomotive, 14 Years. Ah that's not all though. GnR is so awesome.

Sorry for off topic!

[Steve Crooks]

Originally Posted by chrismillerjr

He's pretty open... the site is openly advertised in his signature.

I know, and I said so further down the thread.

[epathj]

SEO is childs play.. However, getting your web pages ranked for decent keywords takes work, patience and quality.

[sanjon]

I completely disagree with you.. It takes months, maybe a few websites for some one like me to call myself a Good seo..
Its not rocket science but still not everyone has the right expertise and experience + time and devotion to do seo.
If people are charging you $400 or $500 per month, there ought to be a reason behind it..
I do try to alter my strategies every 7-10 days if the results do not come in my favour..
Not every one has the expertise to choose the best strategies..
How many links do I need, from articles or from videos?? Should I do social website marketing or not?? there are countless questions one needs to sort out..
People can try and do there on page, off page but sustaining there positions on first page is not so easy..
Thats just my 2 cents...

[IM Ash]

Guys, and gals:

This is the SEO forum, and a large percentage of the people who visit this section of the forum are actually interested in learning SEO. I am not against forum marketing if your approach to forum marketing contributes value to this forum, but if you complicate SEO, if you using shady bait and switch tactics, hype, or if you are blanketing SEO in a cloud of mystery to confuse someone who wants to learn then you are been deceptive and all you are doing is pinching pennies from ignorant newbies.

Mowing the lawn is easy people but the grass keeps on growing if I don't take out the mower and cut the grass. If you willing to work at SEO you will experience positive SERP movement.

I will not reveal my niches on a public IM forum (that will be dumb) but I will reveal what I do to get my sites ranked... no secrets here...

SEO is made up of on-page factors and off-page factors. On-Page factors has to do with how you structure your website/content (100% in your control) and off-page factors deal with backlinks that point to your site (can be manipulated)!

On-Page Factors:

Please search the forum and you will find many many threads that explain on-page SEO. I'm not going into that here!

Off-Page Factors

There are various strategies used by SEOers and I have personally developed my own methods over the last year. If you do the opposite of what I am doing it does not mean you will not see results but your link building efforts comes down to 2 factors: you can build quality links or you can go for quantity. I have found that a mixture of both works best. This what I do to rank my sites... please take this as a point of departure... I used to spoon feed people in the past and I learnt that once I set a certain expectation in a person's mind then they expect to be spoon-fed all the way to the bank. This is not a spoon feeding post but it does divulge what I do personally.

A few years ago I was speaking to a very successful IMer and one of the profound pieces of knowledge that he left with me was to this affect: when starting out I should target low comp. niches just to get my feet wet and thereafter I must target the competitive niches because to make the real money online I need to go to were the money is. This guy is a 7 figure earner and I respect the advice he gave me and what he mentioned helped me to remove the restrictions from my own mind.

For all those who don't believe that someone with a med. budget and who does all his SEO work himself can rank for competitive keywords - you entitled to your opinion. Your opinion speaks volumes to me!

MY SIMPLE SEO STRATEGY

1. First step and most important: if you are serious about SEO you need to join a Private High PR Blog Network. Networks that limit membership are the best but even the networks that are spoken about on this forum work well. If you are targeting highly competitive keywords you might want to join at least 2 high PR networks. If you in a medium to low comp. niche you don't need to be a part of a blog network, you can just follow the other steps in my strategy.

2. High PR links from blog comments. How do you find these? Last year I read an ebook called Ultimate ScrapeBox Advantage and it taught me all the ins and outs of using SB to the max and it also reveled various methods to find high PR backlinks (I am not an affiliate... not sure if the ebook is still on the market either but it was a fantastic investment which will be valuable to those who have SB)

Essentially, the creator of this product revealed 3 methods to find high PR backlinks and all the methods can be performed manually. The first method involved reverse engineering competitors links. You will need the SEO quake plugin for firefox coupled with Yahoo SiteExplorer to check competitors links (search the forum and the net to learn how to do this). Who are your competitors?... the top 3 sites in SERPS... forget about the 20mil results that G shows as this says nothing about comp.

Secondly, he mentioned reverse engineering spammers links from auto-approve blogs. Basically all you need to do is find an auto-approve blog and thereafter you reverse engineer the links of other commentors. This method will lead you on a trail of high PR backlinks and it works well. (again, you will need Yahoo SiteExplorer and the FF SEO Quake plugin)

Thirdly, he mentioned using footprints and search strings on Google to find various blogs and Web2.0 properties to comment on. There are various threads on the forum that deal with this subject.

Once you know how to find high PR links you should build your own list of high PR pages to comment on. I personally have found that the best links are those from blogs that are moderated. By leaving a thoughtful comment and sticking your link in there you will get your comment approved most of the time.

The problem with auto-approve comments is that over time they become highly spammed and many a time the moderators will just wipe all comments out or they will change the commenting policy.

3.Guest Posting: this method is not talked about enough on the forum. By guest posting on blogs that have a domain authoirty of 50+ you will be assured of securing 2 links on a page that appreciates with time and the SEO value is phenomenal. (use opensitexplorer to check domain authority). To give these posts even more of a boost you can build a handful of high PR links to them.

4. Tiered Links or Link Pyramids: This in essence has to do with building backlinks to your backlinks. I create a first tier of 10-30 web 2.0 properties and I create a highly spun article (spun on the sentence and word level) and post one unique version to each property. Thereafter, I take that spun article and submit it to 1000s of article directories - these links point to my Web 2.0 properties. But the real power comes in when I begin to build high PR backlinks to these Web 2.0 properties. I build 20-40 PR4+ backlinks to each property but this is dependent on the competition. By doing this, all of my web 2.0 properties increase in PR and what I get in return is contextual high PR homepage links without the monthly fee.

But it doesn't end there: I build these web 2.0 properties up and target the inner pages of my site to get full value from these properties. I even include a sidebar link to my site on a few of them to extract even more value. Just ensure all posts remain on the homepage to get full value.

I personally use Posterous, Blog.com, Squidoo, Over-Blog, Tumblr, Wordpress LiveJournal, and various others... (search the forum you should find a list)

NB: Don't publish spun junk on these properties, ensure you spin articles to perfection. Contribute value to the net and you will be repaid.

Article Syndication: If you are creating sites with valuable content, you should extract full value from your superb content. Take you articles that have already been indexed on your site and submit it to Ezinearticles. Ensure you have a link back to the original article in your resource box.. this will let Google know that the article originated from your site. If the article is any good it will be picked up by webmasters and published on their sites. You can get some mighty powerful links on complete autopilot by doing this and it is kinda good for the ego when an authority site publishes your article on their site

NB: there are content thieves online who will strip your links and publish it on their sites. Just set up a Google alert using your article title as this will serve as a notification when your article is published on another site. If your links are stripped you can ask them to include links or remove the article from their site.

5. Doc Sharing Sites: the links from these sites are actually not bad at all and they should be included in your backlink profile. Take the articles you have already published on your site and convert them to PDF format and then submit them to 5-10 doc sharing sites. I use Docstoc, Calameo, eSnips, Isuu, Yudu and a few others...

6. Lastly, what I do is submit 1-3 spun articles to the article directories... I do this to diversify my anchor texts.... so, my resource box will have anchors like "click here", "hxxp://mydomain.com", "visit my website" and a few long tails keywords as well... you just need to mix it up!

Okay guys, now instead of this thread been a rant I have revealed my own methods... use it, lose it, that's up to you! I don't bother with profile links anymore, neither do I use RSS directories and bookmarks.

Simple isn't it... but it does take work

To Your Success!

[SilentX]

That gets a big wow from me. Quite extensive and intensive to say the least. You could run quite a nice business just offering a service that covers all these bases for clients. I know I'd pay handsomely for something like that.

[Matthew Shelton]

Come on, it's SO easy

[blairlockout]

I agree, there are alot of false claims on this site, but there is some good information and ideas here and there.

[neil_patmore]

Please stop with your rubbish and tell me what is the button to push for quick success with no effort?

[GeorgR.]

Playing soccer is also "easy", but this doesn't mean everyone does it.

Look at my landlord's website, they have a real estate website where there are a ZILLION really, really great keywords.

Before i did some courtesy work on their site they were NOT in Google for ONE single keyword. NADA. ZILCH.

The average webmaster, biz owner etc. knows NOTHING about SEO.

[owenlee]

Originally Posted by GeorgR.

Playing soccer is also "easy", but this doesn't mean everyone does it.

Look at my landlord's website, they have a real estate website where there are a ZILLION really, really great keywords.

Before i did some courtesy work on their site they were NOT in Google for ONE single keyword. NADA. ZILCH.

The average webmaster, biz owner etc. knows NOTHING about SEO.

That is good news to us!keke

[MrFlippy]

It's all a bit like the Victorian cookery book that starts one section with "First, catch your fish", the assumption being that catching a fish is easy. SEO is easy only with time and experience. My day job is "easy" and it only took me 20 years to get there.
Keep on truckin!

[Royce Space]

I agree. SEO is easy but a lot people make this complicated. I just laughed at them. Even if it's high competition keywords, it takes time but nothing complicated.

[chrislangley]

I agree that the fundamentals of SEO can be picked up, ofcourse getting the backlinks to make you rank high for a competitive phrase is another matter

[High Horsepower]

If SEO is childs play then how come only 1 site makes it to the first position on Google?

Why isn't everyone on Page One?

All my sites are on Page One because I first do awesome Onpage SEO, score a 100%, then I move on to OFFpage tactics.

I think it's BS that people make it seem easy.

It takes WORK and Persistence.

HH

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by High Horsepower

I think it's BS that people make it seem easy.

It takes WORK and Persistence.

Of course it is. When people say its easy you know they are new or just hang out where there is no competition getting scraps. running can be hard work or it can be easy. Run against a child around the block you can beat them easily with no practice. Run in the olympics against the world's best and see how easy it is to compete.