Is it possible to find "affordable" Sales Letter Writers?

[Roshan C]

Hey guys,

Do you think it is possible to get a GOOD sales letter writer at an affordable price? like is it possible to get a sales-writer at $97? I know we have some expert copywriters here, So I am not trying to insult anyone with it.

I am just trying to get some help?
I dont think I could write sales letters myself, so anything would be appreciated.

I've found the answer to my question, let me tell you what it is!.

Either DO IT YOURSELF, or Get it done by a professional writer who isin't "cheap"

I dont think one can find a "quality" writer at price's of $97/197 etc....

So here's my story.....
I got a few people PM me after I opened this thread, and basically I decided to choose a guy who promised me a good sales letter at $197, he had testimonials from guys like "ewen chia", dunno how!...... So I was excited and gave it a go.....

After 3 days here's what I got!.........

****! This guy didint did any RESEARCH on what EXACTLY I am selling, I said what the ****? and then he never replied to my pm's, so I've stopped trusting copywriters who are "cheap" a great lesson learned here. You may find a good one if you'r lucky....

So heres what I suggest you to do..........if you cannot afford guys who charge thousands of dollars for a quality sales letter.

Do IT YOURSELF..............

I would suggest you to go ahead, buy a few amazing copywriting courses on amazon, other way is to find a few converting sales letter and rewrite them, all it needs is PRACTISE, you'll slowly master copywriting.
Only the product owner can write a sales letter, because one knows what EXACTLY he/she is selling.

I'll update the thread with more interesting stuff soon.

All the best,
Cheers,
Roshan C

[capone2009]

yes i am looking for the same issue.
but $97 for a sales letter is quite much isn't it?

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

It is possible to get a sales letter writer for $97, and although you might find a hidden gem - most won't be spectacular at that price. In fact, many people I've seen haven't been able to find someone who can write in clear English, let alone persuasively, for that amount.

After seeing plenty of warriors come in here, ask the same question, and post their disappointment - my best advice to you, if you only have $97 to spend, is to either A) buy a couple of books on copywriting and learn it yourself or B) write a salesletter modeled after a successful letter in your niche, and then have a reputable copywriter from the WSO forum critique it (I know Judy (zapseo) does this from time to time, her last offer was I think $97 - right within your budget - and she is amazing at what she does...)

So to answer your question, yes and no... Yes, you can get a copywriter for $97 - they will either critique what you've written, or write you something you probably can't use. I know what I'd spend my money on!

- Cherilyn

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

For between $400-$600 you might be able to find someone to rewrite your copy, or maybe even an up and comer to write it for you. As with anything else, do your due diligence. Even the best of us start somewhere, and a lot of copywriters who could turn into superstars might be charging in that range for a rewrite right now.

[David Raybould]

TGK-

I won't lie to you-

The odds of you finding someone
to do a passable job at that price
are astronomical.

But if that's your budget, that's your
budget.

Just create a post telling everyone what
you want and how much you want to
spend.

A surprising amount of cheap writers
are lurkers here, so you'll most likely
get some takers.

Good luck

-David Raybould

[Dean Dhuli]

It's amazing how some copywriters seem to believe
they're doing clients a favor by charging less.

While the truth actually is that when you're writing copy
for dirt cheap... and you're trying to make a living doing that...
8 out of 10 times you will never do justice to the copy.

At those prices, you have to write just too many letters
to meet your living expenses.

And then... unlike what most newbies think... writing copy
is also not easy.

It takes a lot of time to write a decent sales letter that
converts and is mentally exhausting.

So if you're considering hiring a dirt-cheap copywriter,
that's one reason to rethink your decision.


Just my 2 cents,

Dean

[Roshan C]

A appreciate everyone's response, THANKS!

I agree with you senve

A newbie to information product marketing, cannot really afford to pay hundreds and thousands of dollars for a sales letter, correct?

Thanks,
All the best.

Originally Posted by senve

i continue to see that all copywriters from this forum are advising rising and rising the prices that other copywriters ask for sales letters...

for me, i am a newbie, and i have a product, an ebook, that i want to promote

i want it to be a success, but i understand that it can also be unsuccesfull and
for a start, i need to keep my costs low, until I see some results

so I am looking for good value copywriters, somewhere in the area of 100 - 400 usd
for writing a good catchy sales letter.

and I believe that is possible

Thank you

[John_S]

When you're looking for $97 copy, you'll find it.

The probabilities are after two years and five writers, you'll think differently about what's a cost, what's a price and what value is. For now, they're all just words.

Do you think it is possible to get a GOOD sales letter writer at an affordable price?

Yes. I also believe the probability is roughly that of finding a "good" lottery ticket. What's possible isn't always probable. What's affordable now isn't what you'll view as affordable at the end of this road you've chosen.

However, nothing anyone says will change where you are on that road.

You believe you should have copy for $97, and you'll have it. And I, for one, believe you should get it. Again and again.

[David Raybould]

Hi Senve,

I think you're missing the point
a little here.

Nobody is advising anyone to
raise the prices on anything.

A good copywriter costs money.
Thousands of dollars. The client
who hires the writer usually makes
many times his investment back.

That's just how it is.

And sure, you may want to find
a good writer for between $100
and $400... you may even honestly
believe it's possible.

But that doesn't mean it will happen.

Sure, it's possible, but statistically,
it's pretty unlikely.

When budgeting for a writer, it
just depends how much money
you want to make, or how high
you want your conversion figures.

If you're happy with zero or next
to zero conversion, then I'm sure
you can find just the right writer
for you at that price.

Senve, you say you want to keep
your costs down until you see results...

If you're honestly expecting good
results from hiring a copywriter
that cheap, this project is
probably going to be quite a
wake up call for you.

Sorry.

Good luck with it though, and
I honestly do hope you find a
killer writer to give you a real
bargain.

-David Raybould

[John_S]

What's affordable?

$500 and up for cable TV over the course of a year. Nobody blinks an eye.

Cigarettes. Beer budget. Hundreds more. Nobody even thinks about it not being affordable.

Yet the thing that pays for all that is copy. And suddenly, mysteriously, everybody is now price conscious.

[MikeHumphreys]

When I accept a new project to write an online sales letter from scratch, my quoted fee is usually between $4-6K, depending on the niche and what other things like affiliate emails, etc. are needed.

The reasons why I charge so much money:

1) To write a sales letter from scratch is easily 40 hours of work for me, not counting time to read/watch the client's product. That's to do the research, competitor analysis, writing, editing, proofreading, re-editing, and polishing the sales letter to get it to my high level of standards. I have a strong professional reputation to maintain so nothing leaves my desk if it's sub-par.

At $97, I'd make about $2/hour or about 1/3 of the U.S. minimum wage.

2) I've spent a lot of years developing my copywriting and marketing skills, over 15 years and counting to be more exact. I don't just write the letter... I continue for another 30 days (sometimes more) to advise them on how to keep getting a higher conversion rate by doing things like testing different headlines, offers, and so on. So when I hire on, my clients are basically getting a copywriting and a marketing consultant. Almost every copywriter I know who charges $3K+ does this as well.

3) By charging more, I can do less projects each month and spend more time on each one. Hence, I can deliver more value to my clients.

4) While $97 may be what you can afford now, it's much less than a professional copywriter with a strong track record can earn by accepting higher paying projects elsewhere or even creating their own info-products.

Here's some friendly advice...

When you're starting any business, you have a lot of time but not much money. So you learn how to do a lot of tasks yourself. As your business grows, you start outsourcing more and more because you don't have much available time but you do have the budget to pay someone else to do it for you.

As a new(er) marketer online, you *should* learn how to write a decent sales letter. There will be times where either your budget or time frame does not allow you to hire a copywriter. Copywriting is the most expensive task to outsource but it's probably the most important one as well.

For less than $40, you can grab the following books to help you gain a basic foundation to write a decent sales letter. You won't be a great copywriter but you'll be able to write something better than at least 50% of your competitors in your niche. That *should* help your business start getting some additional income flowing in.

1. Make Your Words Sell - Ken Evoy and Joe Robson. It's free at sitesell.com. Find it via the site map on that website.

2. The Ultimate Sales Letter - Dan Kennedy. About $14 via Amazon. It will teach you how to write the correct structure to a sales letter.

3. Tested Advertising Methods - John Caples. About $14 via Amazon. Caples was a legendary copywriter and this book does a great job of teaching you how to write effective headlines. It covers other things too but there's a lot of great info on headlines.

Good luck,

Mike

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MikeHumphreys

To write a sales letter from scratch is easily 40 hours of work for me, not counting time to read/watch the client's product. That's to do the research, competitor analysis, writing, editing, proofreading, re-editing, and polishing the sales letter to get it to my high level of standards.

It seems to me, as a writer (not a copywriter, and not looking for work!), that this is probably the key point that many people planning to engage the services of a copywriter simply don't appreciate. Very often potential clients genuinely don't quite understand that even the most highly experienced experts in the genre can't and don't and won't just "churn it out" in an hour or two (and it wouldn't work for you if they did).

I suspect it's possible to "get lucky" and find someone brilliant right at the start of their career and basically get a $5,000 job done for $500 or $750, but it's really incredibly unlikely to happen in any individual case.

[John_S]

for under $1,000?

Buy $500 worth of books and courses, trial and error by writing it yourself.

This educates you for hiring anybody, at any price point.

[Brian Owens]

Post a WSO for $97 copy. Write 20-30 letters and then pay a better writer to do your sales page. lol.

In all seriousness though, EVERYTHING about making consistent, big money online boils down to conversion. If your conversion is strong, traffic is never a problem because it pays for itself.

And if that's the case, paying $3k-$5k for a letter is never a problem because if you're selling a $97 product that converts at 3-4%, and you're only paying $40-$50 for 100 targeted visitors (can be done cheaper but assuming it's premium traffic), you're going to make $300-$400 back.

If you're in a niche that can sustain several hundred targeted visitors per day, you'll make back the copy writing fee in less than three days.

That's how you gotta look at this stuff. Hope that helps.

[David Raybould]

Hey Senve-

Typically, successful marketers
who are charging lower prices for
their products ($40 eg) will have
backend products ready to pitch
to everyone who buys.

Say you have a $97 backend offer
that converts at 30 to 50%...

Suddenly your 100 visitors are making
you between $110 and $220...

That's a lot easier to live with right?

Now think about this...

Say you hire yourself a $97 copywriter,
who writes you a terrible letter. Which
is likely.

It converts at 0.5%, which is probably
generous.

Suddenly, your 100 visitors are only
worth $5. And it's going to be pretty
tough to get rich off the back of $5,
per hundred visitors.

Even if you're a traffic genius and
you can point 1000 high quality
uniques at your letter a day, you'd
still only be grabbing $50 a day.

...and remember, I said 0.5% was
generous. It's likely to be a lot
less...

Hope that illustration makes you
see why expensive writers are
expensive.

Here's what I'd do if I were you:

Go to Amazon.com and spend
the $100 on copywriting books.

Study them. Hard.

Then write 10 versions of your
salesletter.

The final one you write will
likely be MANY times better
than anything your $97 writer
delivers.

Good luck

-David Raybould

[1 Marketing]

I guess the discussion was on the issue that, tgk is looking for affordable Sales Letter Writer. And most of us have started advising him according to our own understanding.

The actual issue is, the term affordable is relative. Meaning there by it varies from person to person. For some one $5000 will be affordable and for some may be $50 not affordable...

[John_S]

$97 is affordable to everyone -- including the people who pay $5000.

You can bet the farm if they got similar response from a $97 deal they'd take it. Every time.

They don't. That makes the $97 dollar deal unaffordable for people who would love to save $4900.

Paying $5000 for copy when you don't have to is absolutely, categorically, insane. There are few saner and more hard nosed about money than those who pay $5000 and up for copy.

And that's why those who think all that matters is being ballsy enough to just ask five grand for their **** copy will have their head handed to them. Every time.

[emsplanet]

Hi,
yes there are writers who can write good sale letters in affordable rate.. but I guess it may be a bit more than $97.

Thanks

[John_S]

More than 7 GOOD copywriters PMed me since I started to look for one here on this forum, and ALL-INCLUDED good writing deal is $197.

Of course they did. Good for you that you're not "naive" people like those *others* who only go by price and not cash in the bank.

Cause they end up not having the money to hire those $5000 copywriters.

[BrianMcLeod]

Originally Posted by senve

So those who say $5000 is the minimum for a good copywriter, they just want to hit the bank by fooling some really naive dreamers...

Yeah, man... Tell 'em!

I mean... at $10 a pop with no back end, eventually that $200 copy could DOUBLE your money!

Screw those greedy bastards.

Naive dreamers, as we all know, are the most plump and juicy of clients.

They always have such great products, and awesome social proof. Best of all, they are able to drive laser targeted traffic to an offer so consistently.

I don't know what those fat-cat copy mugs would do without them!

[David Raybould]

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

Yeah, man... Tell 'em!

I mean... at $10 a pop with no back end, eventually that $200 copy could DOUBLE your money!

Screw those greedy bastards.

Naive dreamers, as we all know, are the most plump and juicy of clients.

They always have such great products, and awesome social proof. Best of all, they are able to drive laser targeted traffic to an offer so consistently.

I don't know what those fat-cat copy mugs would do without them!

Brian I may frame this post.

Literally had me crying with
laughter here in my office.

Great stuff dude.

-David Raybould

[Roshan C]

Originally Posted by senve

Great post mate.

More than 7 GOOD copywriters PMed me since I started to look for one here on this forum, and ALL-INCLUDED good writing deal is $197.

So those who say $5000 is the minimum for a good copywriter,
they just want to hit the bank by fooling some really naive dreamers...

Wow, more than 7? Thats amazing....I got only 2 to PM me But I've already hired one, but for $197 I'll probably have an good copy soon.

All the best guys,
Cheers,
TGK

[MontelloMarketing]

Originally Posted by senve

More than 7 GOOD copywriters PMed me since I started to look for one here on this forum, and ALL-INCLUDED good writing deal is $197.

LOL... I'd love to know who bestowed the "good" title on these bottom feeders.

I have a great idea... You $200 "good" copywriters obviously are reading this thread. So... why not come public and show your work? Give us some results... some references. Because I'll be damn honest with you...

If I could find a "good" copywriter for TWICE that price, I will book ALL your time.

Not to write for my clients. But just to write for me. Hell... get 5 of your friends who are also good and I'll book a year in advance right this minute!

$400 a sales letter written by a "good" copywriter. That's the bargain of the century...

Now... a $200 sales letter from someone who just decides "hey, I'm good"... well, those are a dime a dozen. Every broke wannabe THINKS he/she's good.

[David Raybould]

Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing

If I could find a "good" copywriter for TWICE that price, I will book ALL your time.

Not to write for my clients. But just to write for me. Hell... get 5 of your friends who are also good and I'll book a year in advance right this minute!

$400 a sales letter written by a "good" copywriter. That's the bargain of the century...

I don't know about hiring them to write
for you... how about hiring them to not
write anything lol

If these guys are so "good", maybe all us
greedy bastard expensive copywriters
should club together and hire them to
not write anything at all...

That way we can keep on being greedy
bastards and having the monopoly on
the market that we've been accused of
a few times now...

[bestfranchisebooks]

I'm new to the forum, and a truly god-awful copywriter(but trying to make a half-decent page and I think it's fun), but I do know a thing or two about running a business.. good salespeople are worth their weight in gold. Copywriters make the pages that sell for you. (Granted web pages don't weigh much) but anyone with half a brain realizes they charge what they do because the market bears it. Entrepreneurs will buy the copywriter's copy/sales letter and make a return on their investment.

[MontelloMarketing]

Originally Posted by bestfranchisebooks

I'm new to the forum, and a truly god-awful copywriter(but trying to make a half-decent page and I think it's fun), but I do know a thing or two about running a business.. good salespeople are worth their weight in gold. Copywriters make the pages that sell for you. (Granted web pages don't weigh much) but anyone with half a brain realizes they charge what they do because the market bears it. Entrepreneurs will buy the copywriter's copy/sales letter and make a return on their investment.

You're absolutely right. Give the man a cigar (if you're a man. If you're a woman, change cigar to lipstick or something).

The truth is your copywriter is your salesperson. The store with the best sales person wins.

That said, I fully understand the newbies feeling like "Oh god... I can't afford that... I'm just starting out." I get it. 99% of us get it. That's why we keep saying "get a book and learn a little about copy."

You can't afford someone who knows what they're doing? Then learn a little and write your own... get it critiqued... noodle with hit... tweak it... test it... tweak it some more. And I promise you by the end of that process you'll be a better than $500 copywriter. You may even be a few thousands dollar copywriter.

But... hire someone who doesn't know this stuff... isn't really a copywriter but rather an article writer/blogger trying to earn a living... and your $200... or whatever will not be cheap. It will cost you a net loss of $200.

[Hugh Thyer]

Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing

But... hire someone who doesn't know this stuff... isn't really a copywriter but rather an article writer/blogger trying to earn a living... and your $200... or whatever will not be cheap. It will cost you a net loss of $200.

It'll cost you a lot more than $200, think of all the lost sales.

I'm hassling a client at the moment to provide more and more proof of the claims in their product. And I have to do a whole lot of research myself about the market to back up what he's saying.

How could I afford the time to do this if I was only making $200 out of it?

[bestfranchisebooks]

I like Monte Cristos.

[AlanCarr]

how in the world will I find a good copywriter after all, for under $1,000?

www.copywriter-ac.com





I'm available in July.



B.

[ericjohnson1981]

You can actually find great copywriters for much less. Just hire a writer at DP; they work for next to near nothing.

[MontelloMarketing]

Originally Posted by ericjohnson1981

You can actually find great copywriters for much less. Just hire a writer at DP; they work for next to near nothing.

LOL And I say that because I don't know how to IM speak "Spitting soda out of my nose laughing."

[Ken Strong]

Originally Posted by MontelloMarketing

LOL And I say that because I don't know how to IM speak "Spitting soda out of my nose laughing."

Why, it's SSOOMNL, of course.

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

Vin;

How do you know chicks don't dig cigars? LOL (I, in fact, would take a cigar before lipstick - but I'm odd! LOL)

Maybe that's a point to bring up in the next copywriting thread... How most of us are eccentric, strange people, but it helps. LOL

Yes, go hire a copywriter at DP for $100. Or go hire a highschool student. Or hire someone to write 3 articles for $10, and string them together with a "buy now" link at the bottom.

Any of those options will probably give you the same results...

Good copywriters don't charge thousands to take advantage of people. In fact, good copywriters charge thousands to make sure THEY aren't being taken advantage of. Do you question when a lawyer who can get you a million dollar settlement on an accident asks for 25%? Of course not, because you're still up $750k.

So why is $3000 for a copywriter out of the question, when it can make you 6 figures?

Just some food for thought...

- Cherilyn

[internote007]

Some of you have mentioned buying books. Can anyone suggest good copywriting books for this matter?

[Ken Strong]

Originally Posted by internote007

Some of you have mentioned buying books. Can anyone suggest good copywriting books for this matter?

There's a sticky thread at the top of this forum:

Top Copywriting Books... Ever

[TimCastleman]

Look there is a lot of good info here to be had on how to write your own copy when you can't afford to pay for it.

I will just say that in my business I have a range that I am willing to accept. If for instance my low amount is $700 and you quote me $500 I do what I can to get you up to $700. If you can't do it, I move on.

Plenty of fish in the sea.

I also think this is an issue where you can't convert everyone to one side or the other. IF they can't pay my fee, we can't work together.

I won't take less and they wont pay more - we can't work together.

You want to pay my fee - great I am ready to work together.

Either way, both sides feet are stuck in sand on this one.


Tim

[BrianMcLeod]

Michel Fortin tweeted this yesterday:

YouTube - The Vendor Client relationship - in...

[David Raybould]

Okay, that last post settles it.

Next time a client quibbles on
price or some other detail, I'm
going to point them straight at
this thread.

What a great video... I missed
the tweet of this, great post
Brian...

Thanks man!

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Cherilyn Lester

Vin;

How do you know chicks don't dig cigars? LOL (I, in fact, would take a cigar before lipstick - but I'm odd! LOL)

Not that odd - my own instinct was to make exactly the same point, to be honest. I love lipstick too - it's just that the two don't mix very well, really!.

[MontelloMarketing]

To all the professionals of the female gender let me publicly apologize for my lipstick comment.

Here's what happened...

When I wrote the cigar line I realized it was very gender specific. Sure... women smoke cigars sometimes too... but you all have to admit a cigar brings up a very masculine image.

So... in an attempt to make sure I wasn't EXCLUDING women, I quickly added the lipstick line.

Basically... in my attempt not to raise a gender issue, I ended up raising a gender issue.

Damn me!

[Hesster]

Originally Posted by BrianMcLeod

Michel Fortin tweeted this yesterday:

Thanks for posting this... OMG, I never laughed so hard.

[Roshan C]

ok GUYS,

I APOLOGIZE!, You were all correct!

I have lost my money which I' invested for this letter and I did because this guy showed me a sample which he wrote for ewen chia) heck!....

Lol, this asshole, didint even did a SMALL research on what exactly I am selling, its like I am selling cars, and he wrote a sales letter on how to drive cars fast(just a example) bloddy, I wish i could've agreed with the people on here, cheap copywriters, are always "CHEAP" even tho $197 wasnt atleast FOR ME! I'll have to do it all myself, I cant even get my money back..... so I've learned a good lesson from my "bad" mistakes...

So I would just like to give out a suggestion, either hire a copywriter whoz not cheap and SERIOUS, or a better one would be, learn copywriting, and always DO IT YOURSELF!.

PS: DP SUCKS! lol...

All the best,
Cheers,
TGK

[Matt Jutras]

Another suggestion: only pay half up front.

[BrianMcLeod]

Originally Posted by tgk

ok GUYS,

I APOLOGIZE!, You were all correct!

I have lost my money which I' invested for this letter and I did because this guy showed me a sample which he wrote for ewen chia) heck!....

Lol, this asshole, didint even did a SMALL research on what exactly I am selling, its like I am selling cars, and he wrote a sales letter on how to drive cars fast(just a example) bloddy, I wish i could've agreed with the people on here, cheap copywriters, are always "CHEAP" even tho $197 wasnt atleast FOR ME! I'll have to do it all myself, I cant even get my money back..... so I've learned a good lesson from my "bad" mistakes...

TGK,

I promise you that none of us greedy copywriters take any pleasure in this (well ok, maybe just a teeny smidgen of pleasure...)

We can (and do) post here over and over until we're blue in the face that hiring a copywriter who works for peanuts is almost invariably a colossal waste of your time and your money.

Of course there are exceptions, but there are also RULES. Which do you want to bet on with your last $200?

Notice something... the high dollar copywriters here DON'T WANT YOUR MONEY. The most common advice is to buy some great books and educate yourself so that you DON'T squander your precious cash.

You see who wanted your $200 more than they wanted you to get results don't you?

Having the guts (or desperation) to come back and describe your $200 experience simply drives the point home perfectly.

Send me a PM if you want and I'll review what you've got, on the house. I'm not gonna write it for you, obviously. But I'll at least point you in the right direction and give you a running start...

Best,

Brian

[John_S]

It's commendable to actually go into the details of what happened. Sounds like they didn't even write copy what what you're actually selling.

People confuse copywriting for typing something. Copy is salemanship. Multiplied.

Salesmanship is a hard won skill many top copywriters learned through going out and selling face to face. It's not typing. Not writing. Not sprinkling gimmicks onto a page.

didint even did a SMALL research on what exactly I am selling

People refuse to consider the copywriter is still getting a high per hour billable. They're getting it by doing little or no research. (Substituting quantity for quality) Still, missing the product entirely is a real tribute to what cheap copywriters are capable of.

You should also be congratulated on rapid comprehension. You seem to have picked up on things with fewer hard knocks than most.

Headline and Lesson:
The Most Expensive Copywriting Starts Out Cheap ...but it'll cost you

Copy you pay for and can't use is, by far, the most expensive copy you will ever see.

[MontelloMarketing]

senve,

I don't believe this "copywriter" took money and ran away. I think what he's saying is the copywriter was paid and delivered bad copy (which is what we warned from the beginning).

These are two different issues.

[Ron Herman]

Originally Posted by alexa_s

Not that odd - my own instinct was to make exactly the same point, to be honest. I love lipstick too - it's just that the two don't mix very well, really!.

Hey, there's nothing sexier than lipstick stains on a cigar, just ask Monica Lewinsky.

[Cherilyn Woodhouse]

Originally Posted by Ron Herman

Hey, there's nothing sexier than lipstick stains on a cigar, just ask Monica Lewinsky.

LMAO ok, now THAT's funny.

Sorry you didn't get what you paid for tgk... I think I speak for all of us when I say we don't like seeing people get taken advantage of by a so-called copywriter

I hope you take that offer for a critique, it will probably help you quite a bit! Good luck!

- Cherilyn
The Canadian Copywriter

[MikeHumphreys]

Originally Posted by senve

you better expose who is this "mysterious guy" who took your money and ran away...

Rule #1 of the Warrior Forum is to keep all fights private and outside of this forum. Those who choose to disobey it run the risk of Allen (the forum owner) deciding to toss them from the forum forever.

[Anomaly1974]

Just the humble opinion from someone whose sales copy is depressingly average. My conversion rates for blind traffic seem to hover between two and three percent and for highly targeted traffic between ten and eighteen percent (Yeah, I see the gap there too)

I am desperate so I write a lot to make my bills anyhow.

I am poor so I write cheaply ... my copy is nothing exceptional and I do not pass it off as such.

To compromise? I charge a low base fee and a sliding scale based on conversion rates, (which varies depending on the traffic source)

When people are just starting out, it is difficult to come up with big bucks. They get cheaper copy and somebody who will work with them to make the copy better. I get experience and the opportunity to figure out more about what does and does not work in certain niches.

The biggest problem I have discovered is that many people new to IM are also going to traffic exchange sites, mailing to safelists and other questionable (at best) sources for traffic. The freelance sites are full of people asking for thousands of new email accounts to fill new and improved mailing lists that they turn around and sell or charge for mailing out to ... the end result being that people are not really ever seeing the offers in question.

There are so many variables when writing copy that I can understand why not a lot of people are doing this and someone who has a good reputation would likely lose their reputation (and their ability to charge for it) in a hurry working like this but when you are just starting out, sometimes you have to do the best you can with what you have.

Just my two cents for whatever it's worth