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Unread 10th Dec 2008, 11:03 AM   #201
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I'm going to laugh at people that buy this - seriously. You will be SO disappointed. This is not a magic bullet that will make you money. It would take you a few weeks and money before making a profit. Don't say I didn't warn you.
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from tradermike2008 I found a post by someone claiming to be an affiliate for this product saying it is going to be around 2k, will be tapes of the secret guru seminar they paid 10k for

It's interesting to watch the launch of this though. Very quick and fast if it is happening as soon as this affiliates claimed - today.

Very little has been revealed in their sales process and very little real content has been given. It's not like the launch Eban Pagan is currently doing for get altitude or we've seen from Walker, Kern etc....much more content in those that I think makes it non-hyped up and better for the customers.

Fact is ... many or most of the 'gurus' who attended this event did not pay the $10k. I've seen more than one of them say this on their personal blogs.

Not that it's a surprise, but for AC to lie about how they 'even had major gurus paying $10k to attend!' is not forthcoming. But, that's marketing these days, right? Unfortunately.

The consensus I've seen among honest guru affiliates of this is this:

1. This is not for the newbie ... 99% of them. Of course, some might make it work, but it's really for the intermediate marketer (ppc experience preferred)

2. For those that are saying this is a joke and it's only 'ppc to cpa' and are ridiculing that ... that's a little short sided. Of course, there's going to be some good content, of course. Or they'll have a ridiculous refund rate!

3. As always ... Taking Action is the #1 way to success. Go buy a $47 ebook and implement that ... you'll start making money, because it's about taking action. If you've never done that ... then maybe this is not for you. You need blinders on to stay focused on whatever you're going to do.


I'm not an affiliate for AC.

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Originally Posted by templar View Post

I agree...it is a double edged message.

I think a newbie could get through it, with a little help from someone...

That's why I offer daily help with this particular product...it's about the most powerful thing, next to the product itself.
I think its been marketed well. People will not like it (thats when you've done something right) and thats okay.

This really needs to be an involved course. like e course/ seminars, coaching, as just dumping info on a newbie or "expert", might scare them away or cause info over load.

Offering support, coaching, with the product to see the customers are successful is the right thing to do.

And since they are offering a strong gaurantee, I don't see a problem with buying the product if its something you're interested in.

If you have to max out the CC to get this, its probably not for you....
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If I'm good at PPC couldn't I just direct some highly targeted PPC traffic to a CPA offer?

Thank you Perry Marshall!
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I missed out on this call but I heard it was pretty good.
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Originally Posted by Michael Dominic View Post

If I'm good at PPC couldn't I just direct some highly targeted PPC traffic to a CPA offer?

Thank you Perry Marshall!
LOL...

CPA is pretty basic... Traffic + Capture Page = revenue

Key is to test offers and then scale up.

Besides all the fine details, isn't that basically it?

Knowing how to funnel traffic is important..
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They are launching at 12:00 PM PST - 3:00 PM EST. It will be interesting to see if they delay the launch due to "server problems." Really curious to see if the sales pages has some videos and some good content that really explains it or just pure hype like we've seen so far. Either way wish them good luck. It is interesting to watch.

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I read the report last night, and did you catch it when he says he was teaching all this because he recently started his own CPA network? He's making $100K a day and he said he is willing to reveal his secrets in order to help us promote programs on his affiliate network in the future so, it's obvious where the real money is.

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No, it's live right now...see my sig..

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008 View Post

Thanks, that's cool. some will probably geat a heads up with your link - the link I have goes here:



This link says it isn't open for a few hours from now and keep refreshing lol

Don't think either of your affiliate links are allowed.
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Originally Posted by tradermike2008 View Post

I'm not an affiliate. It's not my affiliate link. It's a link I got in email from someone else.
Well regardless I'm pretty sure it's against the rules. I'm also not sure your excuse will fly....:-)
But I dont really care. I wanted to read the sales page anyways.


Interesting sales page.

The copy isn't nearly as powerful as I assumed it would be especially with all the "friends" made over the course of the launch.

I also see no proof of the 100k day????? The whole premise this launch is built upon. Unless I missed it?

Lots of great proof no doubt. Impressive Proof! Extremely Impressive.

But where is the proof of the 100k day?

"You are about to learn the secrets and techniques that paved the path to $100k per day."
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(Even at the "$100k a day" mark I only have 2 people helping me out!)"


No proof.

Also why can't we know this guys last name?

What is the data trail going to reveal?
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Well regardless I'm pretty sure it's against the rules. I'm also not sure your excuse will fly....:-)
But I dont really care. I wanted to read the sales page anyways.


Interesting sales page.

The copy isn't nearly as powerful as I assumed it would be especially with all the "friends" made over the course of the launch.

I also see no proof of the 100k day????? The whole premise this launch is built upon. Unless I missed it?

Lots of great proof no doubt. Impressive Proof! Extremely Impressive.

But where is the proof of the 100k day?

"You are about to learn the secrets and techniques that paved the path to $100k per day."
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(Even at the "$100k a day" mark I only have 2 people helping me out!)"


No proof.

Also why can't we know this guys last name?

What is the data trail going to reveal?
Well it seems we have two sales pages - one live right now and one not yet live. If you think I should I can delete the link that is my previous post.

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Originally Posted by tradermike2008 View Post

Well it seems we have two sales pages - one live right now and one not yet live. If you think I should I can delete the link that is my previous post.
Hmm I wonder if you're right and maybe that's not the official page.
I hope so! I want proof of the 100k "days" not day.
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Aren't CPA companies really a select, small group of Super-Mega Affiliates or Middlemen for the corporations and simply recruiting MORE affiliates for themselves in addition to offers directly to regular folk?

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Well its now 3:12 and the product is not up yet....do anyone know what the problem is with the launch?
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Well its now 3:12 and the product is not up yet....do anyone know what the problem is with the launch?
The server is still running so we know that's not the issue yet....
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That sales page the guys affiliate link was going to - that had been up for a few hours has been taken down.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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"Come Back Here And Refresh This Page Today, Wednesday December 10th at EXACTLY 12:00pm PST... To Become Part Of
The Arbitrage Conspiracy!"

Anyone having getting thru with this? It has not changed. It is now 12:20pm PST...
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I am getting the same message over here too....its now 3:26EST....keep me posted Rick
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Really inexcusable for guys with this supposed level of sophistication. Very very disappointed. If they can't even deliver a launch, how do we expect them to deliver a product?
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its 12:45 pacific time and i still dont see the sales page. and no update on the blog.
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Hi Everyone, Thank You For Your Patience.

We are experiencing technical difficulties, but we expect to have it fixed shortly.
Please keep refreshing this page because we will be live soon.
Thank you once again for your patience and understanding.
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is this from the blog?
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Well, I have no clue about the product but I got this from Jerry West I guy who I trust 100% here is a snippet of what he said:



The rest of his post is here:
Don’t Buy The Arbitrage Conspiracy - I Was There in Vegas

I've been a paid member of Jerry's Newsletter for almost 3 years now and he is a straight shooter so I trust his comments completely.

Plus he is one of the faculty members of Stompernet and this launch is being manged by Brad Fallon who co owns Stompernet. So I think it takes guts to come out against this!
Interesting post.

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Originally Posted by jay@rykel.net View Post

Really inexcusable for guys with this supposed level of sophistication. Very very disappointed. If they can't even deliver a launch, how do we expect them to deliver a product?
They probably are doing this as a launch tactic. It doesn't take anything to simply copy their sales page on to this page. It wouldn't even take a minute. When stompernet launched their net effect they delayed it for at least a few hours and I think a whole day or two claiming that their sale processor crashed instantly when launch time came. With this it looks like a tactic to me, because technical issues I think would be an overloaded server and if that was happening the page would load very slowly or not at all. Instead this page saying they are having technical difficulties loads up instantly.

John Reese at launch time for traffic secrets delayed it for a few hours saying his server was down.

I wonder though does a tactic like this work? Does it make people get even more desperate to buy thinking it is going to instantly sell out or does it turn off people who think this is all a gimmick? Sure it does both, but which group is bigger? The people turned off or the people who become even more desperate to buy?

As a launch tactic is it ethical? Does it even work? I bought Walkers Product Launch Formula and Kerns Mass Control and they do not advocate doing something like this for a tactic.

I only saw it used twice when I thought it might be a tactic with Reese and stomper. And now if it happens again I'm going to feel for sure it is a tactic stomper is using as they are organizers of this launch too. This is the main reason I'm watching it. I wanted to see if they would have "server issues." I'm bored and looking for side entertainment as I spend the day writing something.

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This is going to be interesting....

I'm guessing 90% of the people buying this will be newbies
that are waisting there money because 85% will never take
action. The rest are advanced IM that have been sucked in
by all the hype because they have been contacted and asked
to be JV partners.....

This is my opinion and I couldn't care less if you don't agree to
it. I just want to put it out there so in 2 weeks when people
start coming back to the forum all messed up after this hyped
up launch they'll see this message.

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I would agree this is no accident. They can't claim that they didn't expect the volume and if something did crash, these guys have the knowledge and resources to get something back up in minutes. Top that with no communication on blog or via email, and it adds up to a tactic. I'm in the turn-off crowd for sure.
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I just want to put it out there so in 2 weeks when people
start coming back to the forum all messed up after this hyped
up launch they'll see this message.
".............messed up......"

LOL :0)

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I have no idea why, but there is one link that leads to a sales page, and it leads to an order process that works...not sure why it is like this currently, but there it is.

I ordered, got an email confirmation, and my card was charged, so it seems to work fine.

Link is in my sig.

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I would agree this is no accident. They can't claim that they didn't expect the volume and if something did crash, these guys have the knowledge and resources to get something back up in minutes. Top that with no communication on blog or via email, and it adds up to a tactic. I'm in the turn-off crowd for sure.

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Originally Posted by templar View Post

I have no idea why, but there is one link that leads to a sales page, and it leads to an order process that works...not sure why it is like this currently, but there it is.

I ordered, got an email confirmation, and my card was charged, so it seems to work fine.

Link is in my sig.
LOL--OMG

Did you just try to get people to click on your
affiliate link right before the launch!!!

Just a tad sneaky there

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they talk about making 100k per day and they show a copy of a $800 check.
now that is Embarrassing. lol
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LOL--OMG

Did you just try to get people to click on your
affiliate link right before the launch!!!

Just a tad sneaky there

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The fact that his link works makes it look like for sure that their "technical difficulties" are totally bogus - lol.

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Hey, I gotta Major Launch coming out, too.

An hour ago, I just ate 3 cans of barbecued beans, some half and half milk, and 4 boiled eggs 'n crackers with hot sauce.

Wish me luck. :-O

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Originally Posted by James Schramko View Post

I am pretty curious why some people are so negative when you have not seen what is on offer yet.

You can remain ignorant and express your 'expert' opinions if you like or you can see what the next content delivers and make an informed comment.

If you knew this guy you would know he is an abundance mindset person who gives a lot. This is part of the reason why he succeeds.
I agree with you James that the mindset is a major factor in success.

I think you know though James as with any launch, there is going to be heated discussion at the WF both positive & negative. I will add that your interview was one of the best things I've heard from this launch. :-)

Can you share what Aymen's last name is? I would just like to know a little bit more about the Secret Man of Mystery.
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Cool.

In my case I am not making 100k per day yet - but - Aymen was a key driver for me to be free from employment. So if people are looking for a plan and they want to follow it - it is a pretty good one.

I did manage to make that in a month.

In our chat today he did mention many people do not take action. I guess the option is there for people who want to do something.
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Originally Posted by templar View Post

I have no idea why, but there is one link that leads to a sales page, and it leads to an order process that works...not sure why it is like this currently, but there it is.

I ordered, got an email confirmation, and my card was charged, so it seems to work fine.

Link is in my sig.
That's Bogus my friend.... You can't do that, unfortunately you can ONLY have your own product links. Hey, that's what they tell me I'm just relaying the message.

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Man ... I really don't like to be negative and quippy about things ... but this is not looking good.

-- Is it just me, but that sales letter is really poor, isn't it?
-- And I don't see anything that comes close to adding up to even $25,000 per day, let alone $50-100k!!
-- And great point againg Tradermike2008 --- Tech difficulties? I have the order page up from about 90 minutes ago. Something is fishy.

This doesn't mean I'm totally dogging it yet ... just saying ... my red flag meter is beeping.

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Man ... I really don't like to be negative and quippy about things ... but this is not looking good.

-- Is it just me, but that sales letter is really poor, isn't it?
-- And I don't see anything that comes close to adding up to even $25,000 per day, let alone $50-100k!!
-- And great point againg Tradermike2008 --- Tech difficulties? I have the order page up from about 90 minutes ago. Something is fishy.

This doesn't mean I'm totally dogging it yet ... just saying ... my red flag meter is beeping.
Well one thing about this - it doesn't mean anything about whether the actual product itself is good or bad.

I just am interested in watching launches, because I do them myself and find them to be a great way to get customers, superior to more traditional methods I use not just from my standpoint, but from those of customers and potential customers too if done write. Look at Kern's launch as a model with all of the content he gave people. And Eban Pagan's too going on right now.

To me the message was just pure hype. I mean we don't even know the guys full name behind this. And then this "technical difficulties" looks like a sales tactic.

My question though is assuming it is a tactic is it a tactic that works? I would never do it myself, but I still wonder if it works or not.

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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I have been through a ton of mega launches, and can see that his server is standing up well to the traffic, but the problem lies in tracking software...
I have 2 confirmed purchases via email, but the stats are showing no sales right now, so I am sure the gooroos are flipping over whether it is crediting all their hard labour.

Remember, if you order on a credit card, you can always request a charge back if they don't honor a refund request...

Personally, I suspect they might get this up and going in the next 24 hours, and they will over deliver to make up for the problems.

And ya, that link below works, and even sends an invitation to attend the Venetian two weeks ago, along with the sales receipt. ;-)


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Man ... I really don't like to be negative and quippy about things ... but this is not looking good.

-- Is it just me, but that sales letter is really poor, isn't it?
-- And I don't see anything that comes close to adding up to even $25,000 per day, let alone $50-100k!!
-- And great point againg Tradermike2008 --- Tech difficulties? I have the order page up from about 90 minutes ago. Something is fishy.

This doesn't mean I'm totally dogging it yet ... just saying ... my red flag meter is beeping.

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so if you buy 5 AC then you can make up to $500,000 per day? i am alittle confused here. i will lose my house if i dont make 500k per day.
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I feel really sorry for the people that buy this.

Oh well.

Good luck guys..
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Remember, if you order on a credit card, you can always request a charge back if they don't honor a refund request...

Personally, I suspect they might get this up and going in the next 24 hours, and they will over deliver to make up for the problems.
Yep, I agree ... you can always get a refund if it's not as good a expected.

I'm simply pointing out things that cause red flags to any prudent business person.
I think possibly our standards are getting lower and lower ... and that's why hype works so well. He says $50 to $100 per month, but his documentation on the sales letter doesn't even come close.

What happened to the good ole days? Just kidding.

It remains to be seen if this is a great training system. Wasn't it refeshing to see Mark Joyner on the call last night say he'd test it out first before giving his thumbs up?
That is integrity. (I'm not criticizing the others ... he just stood out I thought)

By the way .. the guarantee seems to read ... you get your refund after 3 months ... what do you think Jack?

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Is this a good sales tactic?

Made a little video about the arbitrage conspiracy -

http://timingwallstreet.com/arbitrageconspiracy.htm

I'm the ownder of WallStreetWindow.com where I do several big mega launches a year. I also moderate a mastermind group of financial stock trading/forex marketers and affiliate marketers who shares ideas and a launch calendar check it out: http://theprivatealliance.com
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most embarrassing product launch of the century. technical difficulties my ASS
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I hear ya, amirla84...and my 12 dedicated servers just went offline...yet I can still access the salespage...go figure!

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I think these guys will be good with refund requests...
they will have a few demands for those that ask for the extra $500...
and that makes me think that this thing works.

I can see no reason why no-bs folks like Drew Kossoff say they went to the one day event, came home, applied one technique, and doubled their sales for one offer...he's known for laying it on the line and telling it like it is.

If Eben gets on the phone and recommends something, his whole $20,000,000/year business lies in the balance...so he is careful at what he gives the nod to.

I am pretty good at cpa and ppc right now, and it's not a refresher course that made me sign up.

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By the way .. the guarantee seems to read ... you get your refund after 3 months ... what do you think Jack?

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it's the old, "we got so much demand, our servers crashed"

just like the follow up email that says " oops, my mistake..."

what a load of crap....
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Actually there is a way to tell if it is a crash due to overload or not:

If it is overloaded by demand or crashed, when you access the website it will act very slow, take forever to come up. Eventually you may get a timeout IE error message.

The F5 key refreshes the page. When I do that it refreshes immediately. That tells me it's working just fine and there is no overload caused by extreme demand.

So if it's not overload by demand, it could be an honest technical problem behind the scenes that caught them by surprise! That is more in line with their current message: "We are experiencing technical difficulties, but we expect to have them fixed shortly. "

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So you make 100k a day and dont have the resources to keep a salespage going.

Cut the BS out already, will ya
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Hi Everybody,
It’s Aymen here.
My entire team and I are very sorry to have made everyone wait so long for the page to go live.

There were technical issues far beyond our control, and for that I sincerely apologize.

In the spirit of fairness for the fast mover bonuses (and to stop you from having to return and refresh the page all day…)

We have decided to delay going live until tomorrow at 12:00pm PST or 3:00pm EST.
For the inconvenience we are going to have an extra surprise bonus for everyone.

See you back here tomorrow!

To Your Success,
Aymen

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