The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA

johnng · 11th Dec 2008, 11:03 AM

Originally Posted by The 13 th Warrior

Interesting. Did not consider that. Like dynamite without a fuse.

Wonder how many other courses are like that? They give you the Gun, Bullets, but no firing pin. And finding that firing pin ain't as easy, if not impossible, to find.

Was TrafficTactics any good, delivered what it promised, and is it cheaper now, by like, how much?

The 13 th Warrior

Oh don't remind me! I was in this seminar. 2 guys there were selling this affiliate scheme where they provide a back office system. You get a domain they host for you and charge something about $100 a month. I was so stupid: I asked one of the guy "if I joined your scheme and work hard on my site, can you guarantee I will make money?" Guess what was the answer? "yes" was the answer! Duh! Nievely, I asked, can I hold you to that? "yes" he said. I worked and worked on my website, I even got a nice domain because he suggested motor accessories as the niche, so I got a domain "parts4motors.com". I have to admit, their back office do have some good functions that you could press a button and up it loaded hundreds of parts to my own website from that of the store with pictures and all. I even spent over $100 on PPC at about $0.20 per click. So $100 would have been I lot of visits. Did I sell anything? Guess! 00000, that is silch! You see I am duplicating the store's own website and putting a lot of effort to drive traffic to share a cut of their profit, simply hopeless. I was sold on their claim of being super affiliate status and will pull traffic my way! Some hope! Over a year of paying about $100 a month, I opened a ticket to remove my membership, I was told my membership was removed, only to find I was charged again. Luckily, I caught it early and got my refund. But, guess what? I was charged again next month. First I replied to the old ticket and Emailed as well. I was ignored. About a week ago, I lost patience and open a new ticket to complained. I was told my membership was removed and my account refunded. Guess what, I was told he was ill and refund will take a few days to get to my account! In the mean time, next month's billing is due soon!

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 12:41 PM

Internetmarketer99...are there selfless visitors here?

JohnNg,

I went through the buying experience yesterday, and there was no back end upsell, no recurring fees, no hosting to buy...just a "thanks for your order!". Very impressive in this world of hidden charges.

Originally Posted by johnng

Oh don't remind me! I was in this seminar. 2 guys there were selling this affiliate scheme where they provide a back office system. You get a domain they host for you and charge something about $100 a month. I was so stupid: I asked one of the guy "if I joined your scheme and work hard on my site, can you guarantee I will make money?" Guess what was the answer? "yes" was the answer! Duh! Nievely, I asked, can I hold you to that? "yes" he said. I worked and worked on my website, I even got a nice domain because he suggested motor accessories as the niche, so I got a domain "parts4motors.com". I have to admit, their back office do have some good functions that you could press a button and up it loaded hundreds of parts to my own website from that of the store with pictures and all. I even spent over $100 on PPC at about $0.20 per click. So $100 would have been I lot of visits. Did I sell anything? Guess! 00000, that is silch! You see I am duplicating the store's own website and putting a lot of effort to drive traffic to share a cut of their profit, simply hopeless. I was sold on their claim of being super affiliate status and will pull traffic my way! Some hope! Over a year of paying about $100 a month, I opened a ticket to remove my membership, I was told my membership was removed, only to find I was charged again. Luckily, I caught it early and got my refund. But, guess what? I was charged again next month. First I replied to the old ticket and Emailed as well. I was ignored. About a week ago, I lost patience and open a new ticket to complained. I was told my membership was removed and my account refunded. Guess what, I was told he was ill and refund will take a few days to get to my account! In the mean time, next month's billing is due soon!

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 01:03 PM

In my background research of Aymen, I found a very cool site he owns...free to join!

affspy.com

M3C · 11th Dec 2008, 01:47 PM

Just had another email from an affiliate telling me the site is up and to go order, but it still reverts to the blog.

Also got an email asking me to promote it, giving me my affiliate links.

Interesting because I never signed up to their program, the details are purely from the guys at Stompernet.

M3C · 11th Dec 2008, 02:04 PM

Originally Posted by davebo

I didn't either...I have no idea why they are sending me these affiliate emails....

It's pretty clear this is all Stompernet running the show , I was an affiliate for their products way back, so I guess I'm still on the list.

Chris Lockwood · 11th Dec 2008, 02:09 PM

The sales letter is up now. It's the first one I remember seeing where most of the body text was in red. Wonder if that was intentional or someone left an end tag out.

The one-payment price is $1997.

Templar, how did you manage to order yesterday when the sales page was not up? Was it there for a short time or what?

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 02:12 PM

Yes, it was up for about 12 minutes, and I just went to the bottom and clicked the order button.

The sales page is a heck of a lot better today, too...yesterday it looked kinda half finished.

amirla84 · 11th Dec 2008, 02:12 PM

a different sales page was up yesterday. looks like he got rid of the picture of the $800 check.

this guy is a joke, he cant even write a sales page. all in red?? lol

Kay Zee · 11th Dec 2008, 02:40 PM

HAHAHAHAHA

I just read the supposedly "Iron Clad guarantee NO.2". If I make 2 campaigns a day everyday for 12 weeks, which should not take me more then an hour every day, I can have an extra 500 USD on top of my refund.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? Thats a total of 12 x 7 x 2 = 168 campaigns in 12 weeks. 99% of IMers do not have the financial leverage to properly test 168 campaigns, never mind making a profit. (assuming a modest 100 dollar budget to test a campaign, thats almost 17k at the bare minimum and I am being very modest when I say 100 USD to test a campaign. Oh and lets not forget, most CPA companies will only pay net-15 at best unless u r driving a lot of volume)

What a joke!!

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 03:25 PM

Stay away, Khurram....you don't want to get ripped off AGAIN...

BWWWWAAAAAAHAAAAAHAAAA

Originally Posted by Khurram Zeb

ARE YOU SERIOUS? Thats a total of 12 x 7 x 2 = 168 campaigns in 12 weeks. 99% of IMers do not have the financial leverage to properly test 168 campaigns, never mind making a profit. (assuming a modest 100 dollar budget to test a campaign, thats almost 17k at the bare minimum and I am being very modest when I say 100 USD to test a campaign. Oh and lets not forget, most CPA companies will only pay net-15 at best unless u r driving a lot of volume)

What a joke!!

Lance K · 11th Dec 2008, 03:51 PM

Originally Posted by amirla84

a different sales page was up yesterday. looks like he got rid of the picture of the $800 check.

this guy is a joke, he cant even write a sales page. all in red?? lol

Based on the post below, I thought you were Aymen. Obviously you're not. Please disregard the PM I sent you. Sorry for the confusion.

Originally Posted by amirla84

Hi Everybody,

It’s Aymen here.

My entire team and I are very sorry to have made everyone wait so long for the page to go live.

There were technical issues far beyond our control, and for that I sincerely apologize.

In the spirit of fairness for the fast mover bonuses (and to stop you from having to return and refresh the page all day…)

We have decided to delay going live until tomorrow at 12:00pm PST or 3:00pm EST.

For the inconvenience we are going to have an extra surprise bonus for everyone.

See you back here tomorrow!

To Your Success,

Aymen

Andy Jenkins · 11th Dec 2008, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by tradermike2008

Stompernet is behind this launch and when they did their last launch they did this same exact thing - put up a sales page saying it was delayed a day.

Hey Everyone, Andy Jenkins here from StomperNet. I wanted to give our official position on this launch and clear up any misunderstandings:

1) The Arbitrage Conspiracy is NOT a StomperNet product, a StomperNet backed product or even a StomperNet recommended product. Period.

2) Brad Fallon's involvement is completely separate from StomperNet. And while I wish him much success in this venture, I do not support it. Period.

3) With #1 understood, we have no insight into their "technical outage" real or not. Most of the time, the outages are real, but I honestly cannot say one way or another. As far as our outage with The Net Effect, that was a real outage. Our technology simply failed at the worst possible time. While I can see how this can look as "part of the launch strategy" I can assure you, it was never part of ours. Period.

Sorry if anyone got confused, and I can see why. I hope this clears up our position.

Andy Jenkins

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 04:04 PM

Andy,

Is that you? Born in 1985? 23 years old? Boy, you sure got me fooled!

But the post looks like something Andy might write...

Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins

Hey Everyone, Andy Jenkins here from StomperNet. I wanted to give our official position on this launch and clear up any misunderstandings:

1) The Arbitrage Conspiracy is NOT a StomperNet product, a StomperNet backed product or even a StomperNet recommended product. Period.

2) Brad Fallon's involvement is completely separate from StomperNet. And while I wish him much success in this venture, I do not support it. Period.

3) With #1 understood, we have no insight into their "technical outage" real or not. Most of the time, the outages are real, but I honestly cannot say one way or another. As far as our outage with The Net Effect, that was a real outage. Our technology simply failed at the worst possible time. While I can see how this can look as "part of the launch strategy" I can assure you, it was never part of ours. Period.

Sorry if anyone got confused, and I can see why. I hope this clears up our position.

Andy Jenkins

amirla84 · 11th Dec 2008, 04:07 PM

the refund rate for this product will be about 95%. so whats the point of launching?

Dan.Thies · 11th Dec 2008, 04:08 PM

While I'm sure many Warriors will think otherwise, I don't believe that technical problems are part of anyone's launch strategy.

Why? Because when you don't launch on time, you lose money.

Why? Because customers move on, affiliates move on, and people think you're an idiot. As a result, you get less traffic when you actually do get the cart working. An affiliate who sent 10,000 people on launch day doesn't always mail again on day 2, day 3, or whenever the stupid cart is working.

Delaying a launch like that makes no sense as a "tactic" because it LOSES MONEY.

So WHY do some launches experience delays? Well... it's because... they're launches!

Everything builds up to launch day, when all the affiliates are mailing all at once. A lot of big partners have scheduled the mailing in advance, and they're out surfing or hunting rabbits or whatever else they do when the appointed time comes.

When launch day arrives, there's HUGE pressure to open up the doors. Internal pressure - because the customers are coming NOW. External pressure, because partners are relying on you to convert their referrals, and because they don't want to have to sit at their computer checking to see if you're going to open on time.

Having seen a launch or two from the inside, I've never seen an intentional delay, but I've seen the "best intentions" get forked up by technical glitches plenty of times. I've sat in plenty of emergency-oh-crap-what-do-we-do phone calls with marketers who I can assure you were not faking that sense of panic.

Dan.Thies · 11th Dec 2008, 04:12 PM

Originally Posted by templar

Andy,

Is that you? Born in 1985? 23 years old? Boy, you sure got me fooled!

Amazingly enough, according to your own forum profile, you and Andy share the same birthday. Wait, I have the same birthday too! Wow, it must be a conspiracy.

Black Hat Cat · 11th Dec 2008, 04:13 PM

Originally Posted by tradermike2008

Yesteray I had an affiliate link that took me to a working sales page while they were having "technical difficulties."

And? I drove my car to the mechanic last week. I guess I wasn't having technical difficulties either.

That page worked so that makes me think that it is just a sales trick. One I think is a bad one to use, because I think it just gives people a bad impression of buying things on the internet so hurts other people trying to sell things on the internet themselves.

So, you think they intentionally use a strategy that you admit ticks you off and makes you and others less likely to buy? Does that make any sense to you? Does that make any sense to anyone?

You're right, it IS a bad strategy. That's why no one in their right mind does it, and why no one in their right mind believes people do it intentionally. Sadly, as this thread proves, there are a lot people out there who aren't in their right mind.

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 04:23 PM

Dan, I love your stuff..and the fact that you use google alerts just shows how up on things you are.

And boom!

It's the new warrior forum screw up...we are ALL 23 Years Old!

I fixed mine, transformed into the geezer I am...

So I forgive Andy, and say, Buy Arbitrage Conspiracy!

Listen, it is not an expensive rip-off...it is a discounted ticket into the big leagues of affiliate marketing, a world you have never seen....unless you make $50k per day.

Get in...it will all make sense why it is so cheap once you complete the training.

Originally Posted by Dan.Thies

Amazingly enough, according to your own forum profile, you and Andy share the same birthday. Wait, I have the same birthday too! Wow, it must be a conspiracy.

PPC-Coach · 11th Dec 2008, 04:25 PM

Originally Posted by Khurram Zeb

HAHAHAHAHA

I just read the supposedly "Iron Clad guarantee NO.2". If I make 2 campaigns a day everyday for 12 weeks, which should not take me more then an hour every day, I can have an extra 500 USD on top of my refund.

ARE YOU SERIOUS? Thats a total of 12 x 7 x 2 = 168 campaigns in 12 weeks. 99% of IMers do not have the financial leverage to properly test 168 campaigns, never mind making a profit. (assuming a modest 100 dollar budget to test a campaign, thats almost 17k at the bare minimum and I am being very modest when I say 100 USD to test a campaign. Oh and lets not forget, most CPA companies will only pay net-15 at best unless u r driving a lot of volume)

What a joke!!

This is exactly why people fail at ppc. They think they can make one or two campaigns and succeed. You can't do that. You need to toss a lot of crap against the wall to see what converts and what doesn't. Out of those 168 campaigns, 5%, (8 total), will be keepers. The rest will breakeven or lose money. The key is doing the work, staying motivated and getting through those dark days/weeks where nothing is working. The people who do survive that make a mint in this business. Now if you have someone there to guide you along the way, you'll get there faster, but you still have to do the work involved or you'll never succeed. Aymen knows this, I know this every PPC guy knows this.

M3C · 11th Dec 2008, 04:30 PM

Originally Posted by Andy Jenkins

Hey Everyone, Andy Jenkins here from StomperNet. I wanted to give our official position on this launch and clear up any misunderstandings:

1) The Arbitrage Conspiracy is NOT a StomperNet product, a StomperNet backed product or even a StomperNet recommended product. Period.

Sorry if anyone got confused, and I can see why. I hope this clears up our position.

Andy Jenkins

I've received an email asking me to promote this thing which included my affiliate links, and I've never signed up to their affiliate program, the email address it was sent to is the one I used to sign up to the stompernet affiliate program, it's one I reserve for specific types of products.

So there's NO connection at all between this and your stuff Andy ?

M3C · 11th Dec 2008, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by amirla84

a different sales page was up yesterday. looks like he got rid of the picture of the $800 check.

Like he covered his tracks with the other issues.

I wouldn't put money into this full stop.

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 04:45 PM

I have reached a conclusion.

Aymen is launching a cpa network next year, and the only way to compete is to recruit mega-super-affiliates.

So rather than smooze them, he is going to build them from the ground up, by giving them super affiliate training for a dirt cheap price...stuff that Ewen Chia doesn't know (he's hawking click flipping instead...bigger commissions, less competition for him) and when 5,000 people buy arbitrage conspiracy, 90% will keep it under wrap and key, and never spend a minute with it...and 10% will go on to earn $20k/day and beyond...and they will get a lucrative reason to join a new CPA network in the new year...

Meanwhile, fear mongering morons will sit back, shit on everything good, and buy $47 clickbank crap and bitch about their pathetic lives...

and I respect that.

M3C · 11th Dec 2008, 04:52 PM

Originally Posted by templar

I have reached a conclusion.

Aymen is launching a cpa network next year, and the only way to compete is to recruit mega-super-affiliates.

So rather than smooze them, he is going to .

Sell a product in advance of his network launch showing all these super affiliates he's desperate to put into his network exactly where to sign up to all the other networks, so they build a relationship with the best ones and are less likely to jump ship to his new , totally unproven network.

It's genius.

Lance K · 11th Dec 2008, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by templar

I have reached a conclusion.

Aymen is launching a cpa network next year, and the only way to compete is to recruit mega-super-affiliates.

So rather than smooze them, he is going to build them from the ground up, by giving them super affiliate training for a dirt cheap price...stuff that Ewen Chia doesn't know (he's hawking click flipping instead...bigger commissions, less competition for him) and when 5,000 people buy arbitrage conspiracy, 90% will keep it under wrap and key, and never spend a minute with it...and 10% will go on to earn $20k/day and beyond...and they will get a lucrative reason to join a new CPA network in the new year...

I was starting to think I was the only one who came to that conclusion.

Even if the whole 10% don't make that much, he'll still have a bunch of potential affiliates who actually do something. Even if they only make a grand or 2 per day.

Even if he only sells 700 copies and only 5% of them turn out to be players, he's still got 35 serious affiliates already on board when his network goes live. Every one counts. And it should grow from there.

Time will tell.

jon poland · 11th Dec 2008, 05:02 PM

Yes . . . the picture of that massive $800 check is gone. And I think he also had a $1300 check on the original sales page from that has been removed.

Master Marketer Gary Halbert used to say that the one of the most critical parts of marketing is to make your message believable. People have been conditioned to be skeptical so you have to do whatever you can build credibility and to make your message believable.

A smart marketer does not make "$100K A Day" claims and then post $800 checks on his sales page. It does nothing to enhance the credibility and believability of the marketing message.

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 05:44 PM

Correct Simon,

except for the little persuasion thingie called reciprocity...burn your goodness into the minds of your target, and they feel compelled to pay you back...

for most, an extra $20k/day is a most welcome gift, and it will indeed leave an impression...

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

Sell a product in advance of his network launch showing all these super affiliates he's desperate to put into his network exactly where to sign up to all the other networks, so they build a relationship with the best ones and are less likely to jump ship to his new , totally unproven network.

It's genius.

SEORundown · 11th Dec 2008, 05:55 PM

I think I will NOT waste my money on the arbitrage Crap and instead get some real information from Jerry West and David Bullocks SeoRainmaker.... At least I will learn about conversion from a real expert. I think it's better to get something with a reputation of being the best vs. just getting something thats promoted like crazy because there is a 40% commission, and some people with a name who seem to be desperate for money. I wouldn't put my reputation out on the line if I was asking how to do PPC on yahoo 2 years ago. If Jerry West will not support or back a product that a coworker from stompernet put out then it must say something! (may I add that Jerry West is not offering an affiliate alternative either.)

templar · 11th Dec 2008, 06:04 PM

All righty then!

Have a nice day!

Originally Posted by SEORundown

I think I will NOT waste my money on the arbitrage Crap and instead get some real information from Jerry West and David Bullocks Seo Rainmaker.

tradermike2008 · 11th Dec 2008, 06:26 PM

Here is what the aribtrage guys are blaming their technical difficulties on. I got this email from them tonight.

"It appears as though there was a real conspiracy
to stop us from launching yesterday. Some people seriously did NOT want this info to get out.
Hackers, Cheaters, DNS Attacks - we had it all!

But it's too late for them, and the time for you is NOW!

53,000 downloads of the Arbitrage Conspiracy Report.

Over 9,000 people registered for the ALL-Star
conference call. Join Me Now
A small window of time to get involved.

A frantic army of new conspirators POUNDING the site
to join us.

The Doors Are Open...

Go!!

Join Me Now

Become a Co-Conspirator, and join me and my team as we
all pull in massive profits together in 2009!

Aymen & The Arbitragers"

So we are supposed to believe they delayed the launch because of "hackers, cheaters, DSN attacks".

Andy Jenkins or someone saying they are Andy say stompernet is not involved as a corporate entity and that their delay during the net effect launch was for real. I'm going to assume it was really Andy and I will believe what he says if he is coming here and saying that in person. I think he is an upfront guy.

But that doesn't change the fact that this launch just stinks. There is a lesson to us all. We all are in sales - but your sales message has to be credible and you have to respect your potential customer in the process. There is no need to play tricks. Playing tricks and putting the customer through a bad sales process lowers the crediblity of all of us who try to sale things on the internet.

James Schramko · 11th Dec 2008, 06:52 PM

I am certain the delay cost money for Aymen and affiliates and a little bit of reputation pounding so there is no reason it would be on purpose.

Here is sonething to ponder:

Even if he were only doing 10K a day, or perhaps even 1k a day net - is that more than many of the whingers and whiners in this thread?

I think many of you are unkind and short sighted. If you don't like the product or it is not for you then don't buy it. If you do think you will make more than $2k back applying it then buy it.

Do or do not - simple.

papeter · 11th Dec 2008, 07:09 PM

If Aymen sells all 1000 copies or more, he will indeed end up as the RICH JERK!!!!!!
Sorry........ couldn't resist.

EliteAffiliate · 11th Dec 2008, 07:10 PM

Thank gawd those hackers and dns attackers didn't target their blog and main page too. Good thing it was focused and that they completely left them alone today.

We're supposed to believe there really is some "conspiracy" to keep this info from getting out and the launch happening? Whatever happened, whatever was the reason, I don't buy the one they are giving. It's not like they launched and then it got taken down and the site wouldn't load anymore because of a dns attack or going very slowly, so they took it down. They never even put the page up to begin with....

If he only made 1-2k a day consistently, I would still want to learn from him. What I don't like and can't stand though is outright dishonesty and deception. It's amazing how forgiving people are when it comes to marketing that it is just a "gimmick". No a lie is a lie. I'm not saying that anything is a lie or not, but a lot of it sure seems iffy and like some red flags. I hope I'm wrong, especially since I took my chances and bought the course. I would just like to see some actual proof of even 1 single 100k day, as I'm sure they would be flaunting it if they had that info, as the higher numbers they could show to align with their claim the better...

Anyways, templar, did you receive your login info and link yet? I signed up yesterday and still have received nothing but a receipt. I've emailed them several times but they are completely unresponsive so far. I thought it would have been sent automatically. This is a mess.

LeivaMatias · 11th Dec 2008, 07:34 PM

The secret was Revealed by Mike....

Middle of the sales page Mikes Testimonial at the Las Vegas event...

His first words are "They are spending $100k Daily on PPC"..... Thats the secret....

You can learn that from PPC-Coach for $50 monthly...

jgirlkzy · 11th Dec 2008, 07:43 PM

I agree with Li Weng. I don't know of too many newbies that would be able to work that way to start.

James Schramko · 11th Dec 2008, 07:43 PM

Originally Posted by LeivaMatias

The secret was Revealed by Mike....

Middle of the sales page Mikes Testimonial at the Las Vegas event...

His first words are "They are spending $100k Daily on PPC"..... Thats the secret....

You can learn that from PPC-Coach for $50 monthly...

I think a 100k a day ad spend means at least two things:

1) they know a fair bit about PPC
2) they know how to make it convert

Because you just don't throw that sort of resource at losing campaigns for very long.

We have already heard from other people that they doubt PPC can convert and that that is the big problem. In this case it is not really a problem because these guys are great at offer selection and segmentation. They know some things that others don't.

Beyond all the hype - this is what you are being offered. Some techniques and training from tow guys who know what they are doing. They are not internet marketers to internet marketers until now.

They use creative ways to get traffic with less competition.

LeivaMatias · 11th Dec 2008, 07:50 PM

Yeah I agree with you 100%...

Did you buy the $2k course?

Chris Lockwood · 11th Dec 2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by templar

Listen, it is not an expensive rip-off...it is a discounted ticket into the big leagues of affiliate marketing, a world you have never seen....unless you make $50k per day.

Affiliate marketing? I thought it was CPA. The sales letter even says you make money even when no sale is made. That doesn't sound like affiliate marketing to me.

If you're going to promote something, it's good to at least have a basic idea of what it is.

"It's all about generating LEADS for companies. Not sales. Not purchasers or buyers. Not customers – prospects."

amirla84 · 11th Dec 2008, 08:41 PM

so what is the special bonus they were talking about?

Nicky D · 11th Dec 2008, 08:47 PM

Every route I chose to access AC is closed.

Wow...people really jumped in fast! Hours!

Something to think about.

Good Luck to all buyers! Love to hear the feedback.

mido · 11th Dec 2008, 08:48 PM

Chris,

Marketers are promoting it, because they get paid 40% commission.
The course itself is about CPA.

alancasey64 · 11th Dec 2008, 08:49 PM

Can I just say this... and i think most of you will not believe me (especially cuz im so new here)... ive thought about registering for a while.

I bought Arbitrage Conspiracy today because I want to grow in my skill.

However, about a month before this free report was released, I discovered some dirty little secrets about CPA (100% white hat - in fact my affiliate managers are blown away by what im doing because of how legit it is, and how it works).

In just 2 weeks after putting up my first website (EVER --- not my first website of that week... my first website EVER in the industry)... I have generated $8500 in the last 2 weeks with CPA offers. I have generated over $700 today so far. And my ROI is about 700% (for every $100 i spend on adwords, i make $700 in profit).

Get the arbitrage conspiracy today. in fact, i wont even put my affiliate link up here... but if my testimonial inspires you to get it, PM me to discover the secret and i will send it to you free.

mido · 11th Dec 2008, 08:54 PM

Originally Posted by Nicky D

Every route I chose to access AC is closed.

Wow...people really jumped in fast! Hours!

Something to think about.

Good Luck to all buyers! Love to hear the feedback.

What you mean by "closed", I just checked, they still sell it for $1,997

Nicky D · 11th Dec 2008, 09:03 PM

It seems closed to me or not proccessing.

I can't evening get to the sales page anymore. I may have done something wrong because I have five sites all different routes trying to get in: (general Google and Yahoo search route, my early bird link and two affiliate program routes)

None are working!

If your are getting it , then pm me the right links please.

Keegahn · 11th Dec 2008, 09:15 PM

From the copy:

Oh, and if you are wondering why I am not showing individual days of $100,000.00 it’s because I don’t make that kind of money with just ONE offer (meaning one company paying me for leads), or even one NETWORK (meaning a CPA company that has a large choice of offers to promote).

So why couldn't he show us results from those multiple networks and niches for some of those specific days? Rather than showing cheques from September and October of last year from two different networks, show us one or two of those $100,000 days from multiple networks.

Wasn't Brad Fallon saying he was making $100,000 per day in net profit? Well, unfortunately we don't get to see the Adwords costs for the cheques (which are no where near the claims made) he did decide to show. Maybe I'm missing something but if you're being 100% honest, wouldn't that be the logical thing to do to gain trust after making huge claims like that?

Don't get me wrong, the screenshots/images he did show are nice... but they're no where near the claims made.

"Borrowed" design style + lack of proof to back up claims + mad hype = totally lame.

MacFreddie · 11th Dec 2008, 10:04 PM

Great 1st post (rolleyes)!

Originally Posted by alancasey64

Can I just say this... and i think most of you will not believe me (especially cuz im so new here)... ive thought about registering for a while.

I bought Arbitrage Conspiracy today because I want to grow in my skill.

However, about a month before this free report was released, I discovered some dirty little secrets about CPA (100% white hat - in fact my affiliate managers are blown away by what im doing because of how legit it is, and how it works).

In just 2 weeks after putting up my first website (EVER --- not my first website of that week... my first website EVER in the industry)... I have generated $8500 in the last 2 weeks with CPA offers. I have generated over $700 today so far. And my ROI is about 700% (for every $100 i spend on adwords, i make $700 in profit).

Get the arbitrage conspiracy today. in fact, i wont even put my affiliate link up here... but if my testimonial inspires you to get it, PM me to discover the secret and i will send it to you free.

amirla84 · 11th Dec 2008, 10:10 PM

i dont see 100k a day proof on the website. they had a picture of a $800 check yesterday on their sales page. now if you make 100k a day, why would you put a picture of a $800 check. its obvious this is a scam. and the only reason gurus are promoting this is because they get 40%. think about it.

Chris Lockwood · 11th Dec 2008, 10:12 PM

The sales page is still up.

The 13th Warrior · 11th Dec 2008, 10:23 PM

So far, in this cpa/ppc forum, the only consensus I see are two PPC/CPA programs that people would be almost willing to bet their mothers life that the programs/guide as very useful and workable.

Both seems to require coaching. One free traffic methods, the other PPC.

The rest are subjective personal experiences, no hardbound programs or guides.

And its not The Arbitrage Conspiracy.

The 13 th Warrior

PPC-Coach · 11th Dec 2008, 10:38 PM

Looks like their salespage is still up.

I guess they didn't sell out in an couple hours or do they even have a limit on how many orders they'll take?

mido · 11th Dec 2008, 10:53 PM

Originally Posted by amirla84

i dont see 100k a day proof on the website. they had a picture of a $800 check yesterday on their sales page. now if you make 100k a day, why would you put a picture of a $800 check. its obvious this is a scam. and the only reason gurus are promoting this is because they get 40%. think about it.

40% is normal commission, during the lunch and if they email their list, then they were getting 50%.

11th Dec 2008, 01:03 PM	#303
templar gently seasoned ninja War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 228 Thanks: 31 Thanked 42 Times in 28 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: In my background research of Aymen, I found a very cool site he owns...free to join! affspy.com
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11th Dec 2008, 01:47 PM	#304
M3C VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Location, Location. Posts: 2,370 Thanks: 329 Thanked 582 Times in 314 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Just had another email from an affiliate telling me the site is up and to go order, but it still reverts to the blog. Also got an email asking me to promote it, giving me my affiliate links. Interesting because I never signed up to their program, the details are purely from the guys at Stompernet.

11th Dec 2008, 02:09 PM	#306
Chris Lockwood VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: central Florida Posts: 1,522 Thanks: 152 Thanked 134 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: The sales letter is up now. It's the first one I remember seeing where most of the body text was in red. Wonder if that was intentional or someone left an end tag out. The one-payment price is $1997. Templar, how did you manage to order yesterday when the sales page was not up? Was it there for a short time or what?
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11th Dec 2008, 02:12 PM	#307
templar gently seasoned ninja War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 228 Thanks: 31 Thanked 42 Times in 28 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Yes, it was up for about 12 minutes, and I just went to the bottom and clicked the order button. The sales page is a heck of a lot better today, too...yesterday it looked kinda half finished.
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11th Dec 2008, 02:12 PM	#308
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: a different sales page was up yesterday. looks like he got rid of the picture of the $800 check. this guy is a joke, he cant even write a sales page. all in red?? lol

11th Dec 2008, 02:40 PM	#309
Kay Zee HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: I am right behind you Posts: 188 Thanks: 44 Thanked 20 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: HAHAHAHAHA I just read the supposedly "Iron Clad guarantee NO.2". If I make 2 campaigns a day everyday for 12 weeks, which should not take me more then an hour every day, I can have an extra 500 USD on top of my refund. ARE YOU SERIOUS? Thats a total of 12 x 7 x 2 = 168 campaigns in 12 weeks. 99% of IMers do not have the financial leverage to properly test 168 campaigns, never mind making a profit. (assuming a modest 100 dollar budget to test a campaign, thats almost 17k at the bare minimum and I am being very modest when I say 100 USD to test a campaign. Oh and lets not forget, most CPA companies will only pay net-15 at best unless u r driving a lot of volume) What a joke!!

11th Dec 2008, 04:07 PM	#314
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: the refund rate for this product will be about 95%. so whats the point of launching?

11th Dec 2008, 04:08 PM	#315
Dan.Thies White Hat Black Belt War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Frisco, TX, USA. Posts: 105 Thanks: 21 Thanked 20 Times in 13 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: While I'm sure many Warriors will think otherwise, I don't believe that technical problems are part of anyone's launch strategy. Why? Because when you don't launch on time, you lose money. Why? Because customers move on, affiliates move on, and people think you're an idiot. As a result, you get less traffic when you actually do get the cart working. An affiliate who sent 10,000 people on launch day doesn't always mail again on day 2, day 3, or whenever the stupid cart is working. Delaying a launch like that makes no sense as a "tactic" because it LOSES MONEY. So WHY do some launches experience delays? Well... it's because... they're launches! Everything builds up to launch day, when all the affiliates are mailing all at once. A lot of big partners have scheduled the mailing in advance, and they're out surfing or hunting rabbits or whatever else they do when the appointed time comes. When launch day arrives, there's HUGE pressure to open up the doors. Internal pressure - because the customers are coming NOW. External pressure, because partners are relying on you to convert their referrals, and because they don't want to have to sit at their computer checking to see if you're going to open on time. Having seen a launch or two from the inside, I've never seen an intentional delay, but I've seen the "best intentions" get forked up by technical glitches plenty of times. I've sat in plenty of emergency-oh-crap-what-do-we-do phone calls with marketers who I can assure you were not faking that sense of panic.

11th Dec 2008, 04:45 PM	#322
templar gently seasoned ninja War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Chicago, USA Posts: 228 Thanks: 31 Thanked 42 Times in 28 Posts Blog Entries: 6	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I have reached a conclusion. Aymen is launching a cpa network next year, and the only way to compete is to recruit mega-super-affiliates. So rather than smooze them, he is going to build them from the ground up, by giving them super affiliate training for a dirt cheap price...stuff that Ewen Chia doesn't know (he's hawking click flipping instead...bigger commissions, less competition for him) and when 5,000 people buy arbitrage conspiracy, 90% will keep it under wrap and key, and never spend a minute with it...and 10% will go on to earn $20k/day and beyond...and they will get a lucrative reason to join a new CPA network in the new year... Meanwhile, fear mongering morons will sit back, shit on everything good, and buy $47 clickbank crap and bitch about their pathetic lives... and I respect that.
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11th Dec 2008, 05:02 PM	#325
jon poland HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2004 Location: Minnetonka, MN, USA. Posts: 131 Thanks: 22 Thanked 51 Times in 30 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Yes . . . the picture of that massive $800 check is gone. And I think he also had a $1300 check on the original sales page from that has been removed. Master Marketer Gary Halbert used to say that the one of the most critical parts of marketing is to make your message believable. People have been conditioned to be skeptical so you have to do whatever you can build credibility and to make your message believable. A smart marketer does not make "$100K A Day" claims and then post $800 checks on his sales page. It does nothing to enhance the credibility and believability of the marketing message.

11th Dec 2008, 05:55 PM	#327
SEORundown Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: Hickory, NC Posts: 34 Thanks: 0 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I think I will NOT waste my money on the arbitrage Crap and instead get some real information from Jerry West and David Bullocks SeoRainmaker.... At least I will learn about conversion from a real expert. I think it's better to get something with a reputation of being the best vs. just getting something thats promoted like crazy because there is a 40% commission, and some people with a name who seem to be desperate for money. I wouldn't put my reputation out on the line if I was asking how to do PPC on yahoo 2 years ago. If Jerry West will not support or back a product that a coworker from stompernet put out then it must say something! (may I add that Jerry West is not offering an affiliate alternative either.)

11th Dec 2008, 06:26 PM	#329
tradermike2008 HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: , , . Posts: 179 Thanks: 22 Thanked 56 Times in 18 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Here is what the aribtrage guys are blaming their technical difficulties on. I got this email from them tonight. "It appears as though there was a real conspiracy to stop us from launching yesterday. Some people seriously did NOT want this info to get out. Hackers, Cheaters, DNS Attacks - we had it all! But it's too late for them, and the time for you is NOW! 53,000 downloads of the Arbitrage Conspiracy Report. Over 9,000 people registered for the ALL-Star conference call. Join Me Now A small window of time to get involved. A frantic army of new conspirators POUNDING the site to join us. The Doors Are Open... Go!! Join Me Now Become a Co-Conspirator, and join me and my team as we all pull in massive profits together in 2009! Aymen & The Arbitragers" So we are supposed to believe they delayed the launch because of "hackers, cheaters, DSN attacks". Andy Jenkins or someone saying they are Andy say stompernet is not involved as a corporate entity and that their delay during the net effect launch was for real. I'm going to assume it was really Andy and I will believe what he says if he is coming here and saying that in person. I think he is an upfront guy. But that doesn't change the fact that this launch just stinks. There is a lesson to us all. We all are in sales - but your sales message has to be credible and you have to respect your potential customer in the process. There is no need to play tricks. Playing tricks and putting the customer through a bad sales process lowers the crediblity of all of us who try to sale things on the internet.
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11th Dec 2008, 06:52 PM	#330
James Schramko VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Sydney, Australia. Posts: 1,679 Thanks: 133 Thanked 449 Times in 214 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I am certain the delay cost money for Aymen and affiliates and a little bit of reputation pounding so there is no reason it would be on purpose. Here is sonething to ponder: Even if he were only doing 10K a day, or perhaps even 1k a day net - is that more than many of the whingers and whiners in this thread? I think many of you are unkind and short sighted. If you don't like the product or it is not for you then don't buy it. If you do think you will make more than $2k back applying it then buy it. Do or do not - simple.
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11th Dec 2008, 07:09 PM	#331
papeter HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2006 Location: Cheshire, UK Posts: 411 Thanks: 189 Thanked 46 Times in 35 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: If Aymen sells all 1000 copies or more, he will indeed end up as the RICH JERK!!!!!! Sorry........ couldn't resist.

11th Dec 2008, 07:10 PM	#332
EliteAffiliate HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 117 Thanks: 54 Thanked 19 Times in 17 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Thank gawd those hackers and dns attackers didn't target their blog and main page too. Good thing it was focused and that they completely left them alone today. We're supposed to believe there really is some "conspiracy" to keep this info from getting out and the launch happening? Whatever happened, whatever was the reason, I don't buy the one they are giving. It's not like they launched and then it got taken down and the site wouldn't load anymore because of a dns attack or going very slowly, so they took it down. They never even put the page up to begin with.... If he only made 1-2k a day consistently, I would still want to learn from him. What I don't like and can't stand though is outright dishonesty and deception. It's amazing how forgiving people are when it comes to marketing that it is just a "gimmick". No a lie is a lie. I'm not saying that anything is a lie or not, but a lot of it sure seems iffy and like some red flags. I hope I'm wrong, especially since I took my chances and bought the course. I would just like to see some actual proof of even 1 single 100k day, as I'm sure they would be flaunting it if they had that info, as the higher numbers they could show to align with their claim the better... Anyways, templar, did you receive your login info and link yet? I signed up yesterday and still have received nothing but a receipt. I've emailed them several times but they are completely unresponsive so far. I thought it would have been sent automatically. This is a mess.

11th Dec 2008, 07:34 PM	#333
LeivaMatias HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2008 Posts: 143 Thanks: 0 Thanked 37 Times in 11 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: The secret was Revealed by Mike.... Middle of the sales page Mikes Testimonial at the Las Vegas event... His first words are "They are spending $100k Daily on PPC"..... Thats the secret.... You can learn that from PPC-Coach for $50 monthly...

11th Dec 2008, 07:43 PM	#334
jgirlkzy Warrior Member Join Date: 2008 Location: Kansas Posts: 1 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: I agree with Li Weng. I don't know of too many newbies that would be able to work that way to start.
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11th Dec 2008, 07:50 PM	#336
LeivaMatias HyperActive Warrior Join Date: 2008 Posts: 143 Thanks: 0 Thanked 37 Times in 11 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Yeah I agree with you 100%... Did you buy the $2k course?

11th Dec 2008, 08:41 PM	#338
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: so what is the special bonus they were talking about?

11th Dec 2008, 08:47 PM	#339
Nicky D New Warrior Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 14 Thanks: 9 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Every route I chose to access AC is closed. Wow...people really jumped in fast! Hours! Something to think about. Good Luck to all buyers! Love to hear the feedback.

11th Dec 2008, 08:48 PM	#340
mido Active Warrior Join Date: 2007 Location: FL, USA Posts: 57 Thanks: 9 Thanked 6 Times in 4 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Chris, Marketers are promoting it, because they get paid 40% commission. The course itself is about CPA.

11th Dec 2008, 08:49 PM	#341
alancasey64 Warrior Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 5 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Can I just say this... and i think most of you will not believe me (especially cuz im so new here)... ive thought about registering for a while. I bought Arbitrage Conspiracy today because I want to grow in my skill. However, about a month before this free report was released, I discovered some dirty little secrets about CPA (100% white hat - in fact my affiliate managers are blown away by what im doing because of how legit it is, and how it works). In just 2 weeks after putting up my first website (EVER --- not my first website of that week... my first website EVER in the industry)... I have generated $8500 in the last 2 weeks with CPA offers. I have generated over $700 today so far. And my ROI is about 700% (for every $100 i spend on adwords, i make $700 in profit). Get the arbitrage conspiracy today. in fact, i wont even put my affiliate link up here... but if my testimonial inspires you to get it, PM me to discover the secret and i will send it to you free.

11th Dec 2008, 09:03 PM	#343
Nicky D New Warrior Member Join Date: 2008 Posts: 14 Thanks: 9 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: It seems closed to me or not proccessing. I can't evening get to the sales page anymore. I may have done something wrong because I have five sites all different routes trying to get in: (general Google and Yahoo search route, my early bird link and two affiliate program routes) None are working! If your are getting it , then pm me the right links please.

11th Dec 2008, 10:10 PM	#346
amirla84 Active Warrior Join Date: 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 42 Thanks: 13 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: i dont see 100k a day proof on the website. they had a picture of a $800 check yesterday on their sales page. now if you make 100k a day, why would you put a picture of a $800 check. its obvious this is a scam. and the only reason gurus are promoting this is because they get 40%. think about it.

11th Dec 2008, 10:12 PM	#347
Chris Lockwood VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2008 Location: central Florida Posts: 1,522 Thanks: 152 Thanked 134 Times in 101 Posts Blog Entries: 2	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: The sales page is still up.
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11th Dec 2008, 10:23 PM	#348
The 13th Warrior Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 515 Thanks: 408 Thanked 210 Times in 127 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: So far, in this cpa/ppc forum, the only consensus I see are two PPC/CPA programs that people would be almost willing to bet their mothers life that the programs/guide as very useful and workable. Both seems to require coaching. One free traffic methods, the other PPC. The rest are subjective personal experiences, no hardbound programs or guides. And its not The Arbitrage Conspiracy. The 13 th Warrior

11th Dec 2008, 10:38 PM	#349
PPC-Coach VIP Warrior War Room Member Join Date: 2007 Location: Canada Posts: 4,223 Thanks: 146 Thanked 1,283 Times in 749 Posts	Re: The Arbitrage Conspiracy/CPA Share on: Looks like their salespage is still up. I guess they didn't sell out in an couple hours or do they even have a limit on how many orders they'll take?
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