Perpetual Traffic Formula

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OKAY. Now that the product has launched, can we please get some reviews from people who have actually bought the product and taken a peak inside at what you really get. I want to know what you actually think about what you got for investing in this product at the 2k price tag. Let's not have this thread get turned into another guru bashing complaining about high ticket products that will eventually get closed by mods. Let's get some intelligent discussion going about what you think of what you have purchased.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    The actual course isn't starting until Monday, when everyone is on board and ready to go.

    Right now there's just some homework and vids for students to take advantage of.

    Cheers,

    Zach
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    • Profile picture of the author procoach
      Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

      The actual course isn't starting until Monday, when everyone is on board and ready to go.

      Right now there's just some homework and vids for students to take advantage of.
      Indeed, so far, not much to report on.

      It's an 8 week training program where you learn how to dominate SERPs. It includes group coaching, a site review and link building software.

      The video on the main sales page shows what the 7 main modules and the bonus module entail and the results you can expect to achieve. There's also a screen shot of the link building software.

      Expectations are to be on page 3 by week 3, page 2 by week 4, page 1 by week 5, top 3 by week 6.

      Finally, there's a 60 day refund period if you're unhappy about the amount of traffic you're getting.
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  • Profile picture of the author imguru
    Originally Posted by bigalan6622 View Post

    OKAY. Now that the product has launched, can we please get some reviews from people who have actually bought the product and taken a peak inside at what you really get. I want to know what you actually think about what you got for investing in this product at the 2k price tag. Let's not have this thread get turned into another guru bashing complaining about high ticket products that will eventually get closed by mods. Let's get some intelligent discussion going about what you think of what you have purchased.
    If it's a really good product the price could be justified for, $2K is a lot of money for most people but remember that you are running a business and to get the knowledge you could get, (if the product is good) would definitely be worth $2k.
    Just compare to what high end software such as Photoshop or some 3D rendering program is priced at and it's not that expensive!
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  • Profile picture of the author Hortensia
    I just saw another video where Ryan explains what's included in the course, and I think that that justifies the price of 2k.

    It's more than just an seo course.

    I am only mentioning:
    -emails that you can use to send out,
    -leaning how to set yourself up as an seo consultant yourself,
    -learning how you can outsource perpetuation after the initial traffic steps.

    So that sounds valuable to me. It's a couple of courses in one, plus the 'handholding'.
    To be fair, you get a lot in this course.
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  • Profile picture of the author Skylars1
    Seems like a lot of money to learn that you need to add Social Media and web 2.0 to enhance the "Buzz" and traffic to your websites.

    Think I will wait a month and get the $297 knock off courses.
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    • Profile picture of the author LiamP
      It will be interesting to get a look at the included software when it becomes available.
      The included software is not the free Cherry picker tool, it is vastly more feature rich.

      If this software does as much as other SEO tools that charge a monthly subscription, it changes the value dynamic right there.
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      • Profile picture of the author procoach
        Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

        If this software does as much as other SEO tools that charge a monthly subscription, it changes the value dynamic right there.
        The screenshot in the video looks pretty impressive as far as breadth is concerned.

        For more details, you'll have to wait 4 weeks though as the software is only given out then.

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  • Profile picture of the author abbadox
    Does anyone know if it's possible to get the whole program right away instead of little by little each week.
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    • Profile picture of the author procoach
      Originally Posted by abbadox View Post

      Does anyone know if it's possible to get the whole program right away instead of little by little each week.
      I don't think so; Ryan makes that quite clear in the introduction.

      He explains he doesn't want students to create to many links at an inappropriate time --it's all about sequence and proportion.

      Pierre.
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  • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
    Could someone that has purchased this course send me a PM about the contact of the PTF support?

    I've purchased PTF and yet I still haven't got my login details and even the "receipt" though.

    Am I the only one facing this problem? If yes, I really do not have any ideas to prove myself that I'm one of the purchasers.

    The most terrible thing is my credit card has been charged


    Could someone here please lend me a helping hand? I'm seriously in need of help.

    Thank you so much in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    To be honest, Jeff Johnson and Eben Pagan's bonuses for this course justify getting the $2k, not to mention the 'driving traffic' live event too


    Ruchi
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    • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
      Originally Posted by ruch1v View Post

      To be honest, Jeff Johnson and Eben Pagan's bonuses for this course justify getting the $2k, not to mention the 'driving traffic' live event too


      Ruchi

      Just wonder why Ryan is being called a "SCAM". And that website seems to have some solid readers and it's kinda well established.

      I don't really care about those GURUs' bonuses though as long as the PTF really delivers "results". This is the most important part after all.
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      • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
        Originally Posted by WyattTenG View Post

        Just wonder why Ryan is being called a "SCAM". And that website seems to have some solid readers and it's kinda well established.

        I don't really care about those GURUs' bonuses though as long as the PTF really delivers "results". This is the most important part after all.
        I read your post after I posted, Ryan Deiss is NOT a scammer, the thing I like about Ryan, is that he's someone who actually does internet marketing, rather than just teach it, which is my pet peeve in this business that I spoke about here. Ryan's in niche markets such as forex, muscle gain, if I remember correctly, this is 1 of his sites, 3x Method, while I didn't fully read the blog post you sent, I saw that they were showing Ryan's IM product's alexa rankings as proof, although I'm an SEO girl, if I were in the make money niche, I would NEVER try and go after the keyword organically, it's just way too hard, whereas, ,my niche affiliate and e-commerce sites is another story.. If this guy really wanted to prove Ryan wrong, he should have investigated his niche sites instead.

        I'm not an affiliate of Ryans, and I've never even met the guy, but I've bought some of his stuff in the past and they have been fantastic, and I have no doubt that this product is any different.

        Ruchi
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  • Profile picture of the author bigalan6622
    I realize that we all have our opinions of whether or not a product should be sold at 2k or if there are better ways to spend the money but this thread is simply for reviews from people who have bought the product and want to give their input of what they got from it. Let's just make sure this doesn't turn into a guru bashing thread that ends up getting closed by the mods.
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    • Profile picture of the author Raynex80
      Originally Posted by bigalan6622 View Post

      I realize that we all have our opinions of whether or not a product should be sold at 2k or if there are better ways to spend the money but this thread is simply for reviews from people who have bought the product and want to give their input of what they got from it. Let's just make sure this doesn't turn into a guru bashing thread that ends up getting closed by the mods.
      In that case, I'd also love to know how those who bought the product felt?

      Is it any good for you? If it is than that alone justifies the $2000 price tag.. but if it isn't.. perhaps you could get the same information for free whatsoever, then it probably isn't worth it at all.

      It really as simple as that... how much value we receive to justify the price tag of $2000.

      Of course for most people... they would expect something out of this world for such price tag. Hence the reason why such discussion exists in the first place.


      I like your comment though ruch1v... a lot of times the bonuses alone are more worth it than the main product.

      I used to buy a lot of products before.. not because I want them.. but because I want the bonuses.



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  • Profile picture of the author pyrmontvillage
    Gotta love this forum. There are always buyers for almost anything. Look if you really want to know how Organic SEO is done Properly minus the hype, and inflated price tag speak to Dan Thies: http://www.seofaststart.com/
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  • Profile picture of the author davemiz
    yeah you can learn seo anywhere...

    i think people like the structure and the system aspect of this course.

    thats what makes it appealing.

    if I was buying this, i'd go find the best bonus package.... you'll end up getting so much more for your money... some of these bonuses are sick.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
    I have to say that anyone who paid $2000 for this course has been taken!

    I already get perpetual traffic to all my wordpress blogs just by using a couple of pluggins, adding some content and getting some links, thats it!, takes about 1 hour per blog max, you can learn all this in this forum for free

    Hell, even blogs that I have installed but not built out yet rank in google quite well and get traffic, just based on the domain name!!
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  • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
    Anyone else having problems after logging in to the members area?

    I log in and then whenever I try to view a page I get the following message. (I've obviously paid and have full membership)

    You do not have sufficient rights to view the full content.



    It's annoying and I'm beginning to get impatient waiting for Ryan or his team to let me know why this is.

    Anybody else help?
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    • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
      Originally Posted by thetruth23 View Post

      Anyone else having problems after logging in to the members area?

      I log in and then whenever I try to view a page I get the following message. (I've obviously paid and have full membership)

      You do not have sufficient rights to view the full content.



      It's annoying and I'm beginning to get impatient waiting for Ryan or his team to let me know why this is.

      Anybody else help?

      I was having the same problem as yours 2 days ago and now my problem has been fixed by Ryan's support team.

      Contact his support team at DrivingTraffic Support or call them at this number 512-749-1388 during office hours.

      Hope it helps.

      Wyatt
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  • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
    To those guys who have already purchased this.

    Did you guys notice that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to Keyword Research? He claims that with full of confidence as if the Google Keyword Tool shows that there is no global/local monthly searches for a particular keyword doesn't mean that the keyword has no searches...... Yes, I know that particular keyword still has some searches but definitely is something like 10 - 100 *SEARCHES* per month..... ( This will seriously mislead an absolute newbie in SEO to choose an unworthy keyword to optimize for... It's a terrible nightmare after all the efforts putting in. That sucks.. )

    With another SEO lesson I learned from Ed Dale, it's more reliable and proven as I got a micro-niche site on Google page one already after I've done all the things The Challenge teaches.

    I'm not trying to bash Ryan. Seriously, did you guys watch the lesson carefully and realize that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about... About the commercial intent part, there are many more "reliable" and "practical" ways to justify it though.. For instance, how many Adwords advertisers are bidding on a particular keyword.

    That's enough said. What are your thoughts? I will definitely ask for a refund after this 1st module. I'm very disappointed

    Wyatt
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    • Profile picture of the author A Bary
      Originally Posted by WyattTenG View Post

      To those guys who have already purchased this.

      Did you guys notice that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to Keyword Research? He claims that with full of confidence as if the Google Keyword Tool shows that there is no global/local monthly searches for a particular keyword doesn't mean that the keyword has no searches...... Yes, I know that particular keyword still has some searches but definitely is something like 10 - 100 *SEARCHES* per month..... ( This will seriously mislead an absolute newbie in SEO to choose an unworthy keyword to optimize for... It's a terrible nightmare after all the efforts putting in. That sucks.. )

      With another SEO lesson I learned from Ed Dale, it's more reliable and proven as I got a micro-niche site on Google page one already after I've done all the things The Challenge teaches.

      I'm not trying to bash Ryan. Seriously, did you guys watch the lesson carefully and realize that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about... About the commercial intent part, there are many more "reliable" and "practical" ways to justify it though.. For instance, how many Adwords advertisers are bidding on a particular keyword.

      That's enough said. What are your thoughts? I will definitely ask for a refund after this 1st module. I'm very disappointed

      Wyatt
      With no hard feelings, if you're not certain about the course, and you're waiting for the first controversial thing to be said to justify your refund request, why did you pay for the course in the first place?

      Did you expect a magic bullet?

      I didn't see the module you refer to of course, but also not sure you understood what he said correctly...

      Ryan is a great marketer, and just saying he don't know what he is talking about is a big claim and need some knowledge and experience from your side to make such a judgment.

      If it's about Google Keywords Reliability, there's definitely a big concern about the keyword data you get from Google, and in many cases it's not reliable, and gives high search counts for useless keywords, or low search volumes for great keywords...effective keyword research is much more complicated than getting some search counts from Google and following them.
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      • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
        Originally Posted by goldmind123 View Post

        With no hard feelings, if you're not certain about the course, and you're waiting for the first controversial thing to be said to justify your refund request, why did you pay for the course in the first place?

        Did you expect a magic bullet?

        I didn't see the module you refer to of course, but also not sure you understood what he said correctly...

        Ryan is a great marketer, and just saying he don't know what he is talking about is a big claim and need some knowledge and experience from your side to make such a judgment.

        If it's about Google Keywords Reliability, there's definitely a big concern about the keyword data you get from Google, and in many cases it's not reliable, and gives high search counts for useless keywords, or low search volumes for great keywords...effective keyword research is much more complicated than getting some search counts from Google and following them.
        I'm sure that you don't know what I'm talking about and I'm giving my review as he's seriously misleading people when it comes to keyword research.

        Wrong is wrong, I'm not trying to argue with you. Those that who purchased will know what I'm talking about.

        You seem like the one who wanted to show your profession or something to judge on other people's review.

        Of course, no hard feelings

        Wyatt

        PS : And I don't say I need a magic bullet and further more I'm making some money with PAID advertising. But I do always learn from other people and work on it. Unfortunately, I'm no expert. Thanks!

        PSS : Anyway, every SEOer knows that the DATA from Google itself is just some estimated DATA. Everyone knows though
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    • Profile picture of the author webtrix
      WyattTenG, I'm sorry, but he's right.
      And it doesn't have to be 10-100 searches per month, I'm ranking for a couple of keywords with thousands of searches per month, while GKT shows that there is "Not enough data"...
      It just takes time and experience to find such keywords...


      Originally Posted by WyattTenG View Post

      ....
      Did you guys notice that Ryan doesn't really know what he's talking about when it comes to Keyword Research? He claims that with full of confidence as if the Google Keyword Tool shows that there is no global/local monthly searches for a particular keyword doesn't mean that the keyword has no searches...... Yes, I know that particular keyword still has some searches but definitely is something like 10 - 100 *SEARCHES* per month.....
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      • Profile picture of the author dseisner
        Originally Posted by webtrix View Post

        WyattTenG, I'm sorry, but he's right.
        And it doesn't have to be 10-100 searches per month, I'm ranking for a couple of keywords with thousands of searches per month, while GKT shows that there is "Not enough data"...
        It just takes time and experience to find such keywords...
        This is the truth. Seen it happen plenty of times.
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  • Profile picture of the author palpatine
    EDIT: While I was typing this post a few other people also posted, I haven't read their posts yet, but keep that in mind when you read this.


    Ok, you want a review from someone who has purchased, here it is:

    First of all, when I signed up, there was an upsell for $200. I bought it because I figured if I'm dropping 2k on a program, what's another $200 - I haven't watched the 4 or so videos that came with the upsell yet, but I watched like 2 minutes of the first one and it was 30 minutes of some seminar recording from I don't know where or when. Anyways, moving on to the meat :

    When the first module got released last night I watched it right away. Seriously, pretty basic and I must say that I was more than a little bit disappointed.

    Honestly, without getting into too many details, as that wouldn't be fair, but the order of the videos seemed way out of whack to me. It is all about doing market research but there was no real starting point. I don't even know how to describe it other than it seems like there should have been a few videos with some outlined steps before the videos in module one. Any other PTF members agree with me here?

    I'm fairly new in this business but I've taken a few courses that I think were phenomenal, Video Boss, List Control and a couple others and they were structured perfectly (maybe I'm just spoiled now) but I never felt like I was missing a big piece of the puzzle with the other high-ticket courses.

    Another thing, I don't know if anyone else that downloaded the Cherry Picker software ran a Google search to check the accuracy (I'm sure there were many that did it) but for me the results are inaccurate. I've tried with several different keywords in several markets and sometimes it's good, but sometimes it's waaay off. I have a couple of sites that rank on page 1 of Google for low competition keywords, in local markets with the city in the domain name, and they don't show up at all in Cherry Picker. Doesn't make any sense.

    I would have said something in the comment area of PTF so that someone could explain.......but there is no comment or question area following the videos. Weird.

    Bottom line for me here, and I'm not trying to bash this guy as it's way to early in the course to really make a solid determination of the value, but he needs to kick it up a few notches if he doesn't want a massive refund rate. (IMO)

    Also, it's worth mentioning that there is proprietary software, for link building, included with this program and it won't be released until the 3rd or 4th week, so I'm sure that will be pretty valuable (I hope).

    Anyways, I'd love to hear other members chime in here.

    Thanks,
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    • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
      Originally Posted by palpatine View Post

      Ok, you want a review from someone who has purchased, here it is:

      First of all, when I signed up, there was an upsell for $200. I bought it because I figured if I'm dropping 2k on a program, what's another $200 - I haven't watched the 4 or so videos that came with the upsell yet, but I watched like 2 minutes of the first one and it was 30 minutes of some seminar recording from I don't know where or when. Anyways, moving on to the meat :

      When the first module got released last night I watched it right away. Seriously, pretty basic and I must say that I was more than a little bit disappointed.

      Honestly, without getting into too many details, as that wouldn't be fair, but the order of the videos seemed way out of whack to me. It is all about doing market research but there was no real starting point. I don't even know how to describe it other than it seems like there should have been a few videos with some outlined steps before the videos in module one. Any other PTF members agree with me here?

      I'm fairly new in this business but I've taken a few courses that I think were phenomenal, Video Boss, List Control and a couple others and they were structured perfectly (maybe I'm just spoiled now) but I never felt like I was missing a big piece of the puzzle with the other high-ticket courses.

      Another thing, I don't know if anyone else that downloaded the Cherry Picker software ran a Google search to check the accuracy (I'm sure there were many that did it) but for me the results are inaccurate. I've tried with several different keywords in several markets and sometimes it's good, but sometimes it's waaay off. I have a couple of sites that rank on page 1 of Google for low competition keywords, in local markets with the city in the domain name, and they don't show up at all in Cherry Picker. Doesn't make any sense.

      I would have said something in the comment area of PTF so that someone could explain.......but there is no comment or question area following the videos. Weird.

      Bottom line for me here, and I'm not trying to bash this guy as it's way to early in the course to really make a solid determination of the value, but he needs to kick it up a few notches if he doesn't want a massive refund rate. (IMO)

      Also, it's worth mentioning that there is proprietary software, for link building, included with this program and it won't be released until the 3rd or 4th week, so I'm sure that will be pretty valuable (I hope).

      Anyways, I'd love to hear other members chime in here.

      Thanks,
      palpatine, I'll tell you what.. I've been using Market Samurai, Micro Niche Finder and Traffic Travis for quite some time. They can all work together quite nicely and give DATA that are pretty close.

      Perry Picker is just messing up with those numbers seriously..

      Yes, I'm one of the buyers. I'm not satisfied with the product and so I voice it out and show that I'm not a happy customer after all.

      Of course, I don't make millions yet and some people seem don't like seeing intermediate marketers that give negative comments on a product. Unless you were Frank Kern or Eben Pagan? Then you may give your "true" comment though

      Wyatt
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      • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
        I wonder if we would see the same level of "bashing" if the course was $197?
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        • Profile picture of the author palpatine
          Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

          I wonder if we would see the same level of "bashing" if the course was $197?
          Al,

          This thread if for reviewing PTF. Some reviews may be favorable and some may not be so favorable. I definitely stated in my review that I think it is too early to make an accurate assessment of the course, but that in my opinion, the first module was a little lack-luster.

          I think that the cost of the course if definitely a factor, however, if the info is bad the info is bad, no matter what the price.

          Ryan clearly stated in the first module that keyword research is usually brushed over, like it is an afterthought or something, in most courses and he wanted to make sure that he trained us to build the proper foundation for our businesses by explaining it thoroughly. I just don't think he did a good job of that.

          I purchased the course to learn from a master, and with a price tag of 2k, I don't think anyone would expect anything less. Ryan Deiss is obviously a master marketer, anyone that followed the launch will agree with that, but this course is about how to get traffic. If this first module was the first module of a $200 program not a $2000 program, I would be just as disappointed so far.

          I hope when all is said and done that I can come back here and give rave reviews, believe me, I didn't purchase this course so I could jump on the Warrior Forum and bash someone.
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          • Profile picture of the author Aussie_Al
            Sure man - I wasn't directing that at you but the people on that link to that blog that picked it apart

            I don't think the course is for me but I am looking forward to reading the feedback from those who actually bought it

            Keep us all posted
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by Aussie_Al View Post

          I wonder if we would see the same level of "bashing" if the course was $197?
          Don't you think that scrutiny should be higher when you pay more money?

          I didn't get the product because I don't need help with SEO or getting traffic, but I'm sure many newer folks or people that need help in these areas snatched it up, and I'm also sure that they will scrutinize the product a little more than a product that they paid $27 - $197 for.

          So, I'm sure the reviews are going to divide into 2 groups.

          People that love it

          and

          People that are pissed off

          I didn't watch or follow the pre-launch so, I'm not sure what kind of content Ryan promised either...did he say that there were secrets he was going to expose, or was this marketed more as a "SEO System"?

          If he marketed it as "secrets" then the reviews will be a little more subjective as something that might be secret to me, might not be for you...If he marketed it as a "system" and he delivers a system, then people got what they paid for - regardless of the price.
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          • Profile picture of the author dseisner
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            Don't you think that scrutiny should be higher when you pay more money?

            I didn't get the product because I don't need help with SEO or getting traffic, but I'm sure many newer folks or people that need help in these areas snatched it up, and I'm also sure that they will scrutinize the product a little more than a product that they paid $27 - $197 for.

            So, I'm sure the reviews are going to divide into 2 groups.

            People that love it

            and

            People that are pissed off

            I didn't watch or follow the pre-launch so, I'm not sure what kind of content Ryan promised either...did he say that there were secrets he was going to expose, or was this marketed more as a "SEO System"?

            If he marketed it as "secrets" then the reviews will be a little more subjective as something that might be secret to me, might not be for you...If he marketed it as a "system" and he delivers a system, then people got what they paid for - regardless of the price.

            Well put, Jeremy.

            The product should definitely be scrutinized to a greater degree. It's $2000! It should kick ass, no?

            Regardless, it's certainly going to be impossible to see the results until 60 days into it. Even if all the info is old, apparently there's a whole timing aspect to all of this. He's giving a 60 day guarantee to see results, that's pretty powerful.

            But I didn't get it and I won't. I just don't "buy" it that he has new information. The premise is based on the changes from the caffeine update, which was only rolled out full scale a couple of months ago. How is it possible that he tested his theories and then was able to put together this product and launch in such a short amount of time? My inkling is that one needs to work on this type of launch for AT LEAST 2-3 months. That would be tremendously fast, in my humble esteem.

            Don't get me wrong, I think Ryan is a super marketer, one of the best I've seen. I've learned a ton from his $197 trainings, which are priced high but worth it.

            But he's also super at bashing every other method to sell his current method. He just released a Facebook course, but now paid traffic sucks? When he released Facebook Ad Power, suddenly Adwords sucked... but that was just after a launch of 2 different Adwords products? Weird. Or is it?

            If you listen to his words in the sales letter, he was REALLY pandering to beginners. Go listen to it and you'll see. Forgive me for saying, but I don't know if these guru marketers are SEO experts, based on what I've heard. None of Ryan's pre-sell material was groundbreaking... not even close. I think they're excellent at SELLING and I think they hire people for their SEO. How many people do you think Ryan has working for him? Do you think he's out there building backlinks by hand? I'm just speculating here of course but don't you think that makes the most sense?

            Anybody else notice how lucrative SEO is right now? He saw an algorithm change and decided to capitalize. Very shrewd of him, no?

            So, I basically chalk this up as fantastic marketing and a picture-perfect launch for an upper-level marketer to catapult himself into "guru" category.

            I wrote a blog post about this on the day of the launch. You can see it here: Ryan Deiss’ new product, “Perpetual Traffic Formula”: Is it anything new? (…and sly marketing tactics)

            UPDATE: I just watched the youtube video posted by "the zone" and that's a perfect example of exactly what I was talking about. I think it's funny that I wrote this right before watching that, but it's perfect proof. He even admits to not being an SEO expert! And bashes SEO, just so he can sell Facebook Adpower. He's continually turning his back on methods just to sell his current one... I think he could sell just as good even WHILE keeping his integrity. No reason for lies if you've got the goods.
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            • Profile picture of the author jayman
              Originally Posted by dseisner View Post

              Well put, Jeremy.

              The product should definitely be scrutinized to a greater degree. It's $2000! It should kick ass, no?

              Regardless, it's certainly going to be impossible to see the results until 60 days into it. Even if all the info is old, apparently there's a whole timing aspect to all of this. He's giving a 60 day guarantee to see results, that's pretty powerful.

              But I didn't get it and I won't. I just don't "buy" it that he has new information. The premise is based on the changes from the caffeine update, which was only rolled out full scale a couple of months ago. How is it possible that he tested his theories and then was able to put together this product and launch in such a short amount of time? My inkling is that one needs to work on this type of launch for AT LEAST 2-3 months. That would be tremendously fast, in my humble esteem.

              Don't get me wrong, I think Ryan is a super marketer, one of the best I've seen. I've learned a ton from his $197 trainings, which are priced high but worth it.

              But he's also super at bashing every other method to sell his current method. He just released a Facebook course, but now paid traffic sucks? When he released Facebook Ad Power, suddenly Adwords sucked... but that was just after a launch of 2 different Adwords products? Weird. Or is it?

              If you listen to his words in the sales letter, he was REALLY pandering to beginners. Go listen to it and you'll see. Forgive me for saying, but I don't know if these guru marketers are SEO experts, based on what I've heard. None of Ryan's pre-sell material was groundbreaking... not even close. I think they're excellent at SELLING and I think they hire people for their SEO. How many people do you think Ryan has working for him? Do you think he's out there building backlinks by hand? I'm just speculating here of course but don't you think that makes the most sense?

              Anybody else notice how lucrative SEO is right now? He saw an algorithm change and decided to capitalize. Very shrewd of him, no?

              So, I basically chalk this up as fantastic marketing and a picture-perfect launch for an upper-level marketer to catapult himself into "guru" category.

              I wrote a blog post about this on the day of the launch. You can see it here: Ryan Deiss' new product, "Perpetual Traffic Formula": Is it anything new? (...and sly marketing tactics)

              UPDATE: I just watched the youtube video posted by "the zone" and that's a perfect example of exactly what I was talking about. I think it's funny that I wrote this right before watching that, but it's perfect proof. He even admits to not being an SEO expert! And bashes SEO, just so he can sell Facebook Adpower. He's continually turning his back on methods just to sell his current one... I think he could sell just as good even WHILE keeping his integrity. No reason for lies if you've got the goods.
              Thanks David for being honest in your review and opinion as usual and not bombarding us with emails, shoving this product down our throat for a commission check like some other "gurus" and marketers. We really need more honest internet marketer like you
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              • Profile picture of the author Mountainbird
                Originally Posted by jayman View Post

                ... We really need more honest internet marketer like you
                Absolutely true. But where are they?
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                • Profile picture of the author jayman
                  Originally Posted by Mountainbird View Post

                  Absolutely true. But where are they?
                  Jerry West is another "good guy", he created quite a stir in the Internet marketing world by coming out against the hype involved with the Arbitrage Conspiracy launch, that every "gurus" jumped into promoting.

                  Anyway, this thread is for review of Perpetual Traffic Formula, so I won't say more.
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                  • Profile picture of the author Kelby
                    Aaron Wall... who, I think, is about as honest a teacher as you can get in the SEO space... has just reviewed Ryan's Perpetual Traffic Formula...

                    Ryan Deiss Perpetual Traffic Formula Review (Killer Free Bonus Offer) | SEO Book.com

                    You're going to want to read this.

                    Notice the links to Michel Fortin's blog too... Aaron just upped his credibility with me another notch with that.
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                    • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
                      Originally Posted by Kelby View Post

                      Aaron Wall... who, I think, is about as honest a teacher as you can get in the SEO space... has just reviewed Ryan's Perpetual Traffic Formula...

                      Ryan Deiss Perpetual Traffic Formula Review (Killer Free Bonus Offer) | SEO Book.com

                      You're going to want to read this.

                      Notice the links to Michel Fortin's blog too... Aaron just upped his credibility with me another notch with that.
                      I posted the same basic message a week ago

                      http://www.warriorforum.com/internet...ml#post2401323

                      Makes me feel better knowing that straight arrows like Aaron Wall has the same view!
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                      • Profile picture of the author Dadika
                        My personal view as stated on my blog PTF review:

                        "There is No Online Marketing product aimed at beginners which Would be Worthy Two Thousand Dollars US!"

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                        But then, I only been online since 1996 ;-)

                        (yeah, even paid for the old "Internet Warriors" site with that beautiful picture of the sword on the top - promised to have a membership for life - remember it Allen? ;-))
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                    • Profile picture of the author LiamP
                      Originally Posted by Kelby View Post

                      Aaron Wall... who, I think, is about as honest a teacher as you can get in the SEO space... has just reviewed Ryan's Perpetual Traffic Formula...

                      Ryan Deiss Perpetual Traffic Formula Review (Killer Free Bonus Offer) | SEO Book.com

                      You're going to want to read this.

                      Notice the links to Michel Fortin's blog too... Aaron just upped his credibility with me another notch with that.
                      No offense to Aaron Wall. I know nothing about him but I am sure he is honest and sells an excellent product.

                      But the most prominent thing on the home page of that site is an ad for his own SEO training product. Aaron Wall is a competitor of Ryans.

                      A 'review' from a competitor is as trustworthy as a 'review' with an affiliate link.
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                      • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
                        Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

                        No offense to Aaron Wall. I know nothing about him but I am sure he is honest and sells an excellent product.

                        But the most prominent thing on the home page of that site is an ad for his own SEO training product. Aaron Wall is a competitor of Ryans.

                        A 'review' from a competitor is as trustworthy as a 'review' with an affiliate link.
                        Disagree, Aaron fully endorses Stompernet, whom also sell SEO info products, in the IM industry, people don't really shoot down 'competition' as they may in others


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                        • Profile picture of the author LiamP
                          Originally Posted by ruch1v View Post

                          Disagree, Aaron fully endorses Stompernet, whom also sell SEO info products, in the IM industry, people don't really shoot down 'competition' as they may in others
                          Ruchi
                          An affiliate can publish a review and be 100% truthful. They can genuinely love the product.
                          A competitor can publish a review and be 100% truthful. They can genuinely dislike the product.

                          But in both cases they are biased, and cannot claim the same credibility an unbiased reviewer can.
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                          • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
                            Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

                            An affiliate can publish a review and be 100% truthful. They can genuinely love the product.
                            A competitor can publish a review and be 100% truthful. They can genuinely dislike the product.

                            But in both cases they are biased, and cannot claim the same credibility an unbiased reviewer can.

                            Forget 'who' wrote the review, just consider for a minute that Ryan in his own words has stated with almost each of his previous products that :
                            'SEO is useless and free traffic worthless'
                            'I find SEO too hard to figure out'
                            'SEO is not worth the time'
                            'I've been ripped off thrice already because I don't know anything about SEO and SEO companies have scammed me by taking advantage of this fact.'

                            In addition to this, Ryan has not shown a SINGLE competitive keyword that he is ranked well for.

                            At worst, you could argue that Ryan simply said those things for the purposes of a sales pitch.
                            Well, then ask yourself - do you want to purchase a product from someone who is willing to lie in their pitch just to make some sales?
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                            • Profile picture of the author LiamP
                              Originally Posted by hitesh93 View Post

                              Forget 'who' wrote the review, just consider for a minute that Ryan in his own words has stated with almost each of his previous products that :
                              'SEO is useless and free traffic worthless'
                              'I find SEO too hard to figure out'
                              'SEO is not worth the time'
                              'I've been ripped off thrice already because I don't know anything about SEO and SEO companies have scammed me by taking advantage of this fact.'

                              In addition to this, Ryan has not shown a SINGLE competitive keyword that he is ranked well for.

                              At worst, you could argue that Ryan simply said those things for the purposes of a sales pitch.
                              Well, then ask yourself - do you want to purchase a product from someone who is willing to lie in their pitch just to make some sales?

                              Hi Hitesh,

                              I think you are leaping to conclusions and missing some things.

                              First, my point was about a review being posted about the product which was being touted as highly credible. All I did was make the point that the review was by a competitor. Take that as you may.

                              Second. Ryan has said in the past he wasn't a fan of SEO. He has since said he has done more research, changed his mind and develop techniques that are producing superb results. This doesn't make him a liar. That doesn't mean his information is bad.

                              I think you should be very careful before making aspersions about anyone's character. Being at safe reach behind a keyboard it is all too easy to make sweeping statements without knowing all the facts.


                              At the end of the day what this product is about is the content. It should be judged on the content.
                              - Will the content produce results if used?
                              - Is the content presented in a way that encourages understanding?
                              - Will the content save time/effort compared to alternative methods?
                              - Is there something in the content that is uniquely valuable?

                              A lot of people don't like the price tag. They say you can get the same results for $600 not $2000.
                              An analogy I would use is this :
                              I build my own PC for about $600 by shopping for all the parts separately and putting them together. I have spent time researching how to do this.
                              Other people buy a $2000 iMac.
                              Both computers achieve the same results. Yet both choices are equally valid. It's all about personal choice.

                              So please lets have people commenting about the content, by those who have seen the content. Play the ball not the man.

                              Full disclosure : I have bought the product, am happy so far and believe the product will deliver value for me. But the jury is still out and until we see more content I believe it is still too early to review the product properly.
                              I think there will be plenty of time to judge the content and get a refund if desired.
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                              • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
                                Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

                                Hi Hitesh,

                                I think you are leaping to conclusions and missing some things.

                                First, my point was about a review being posted about the product which was being touted as highly credible. All I did was make the point that the review was by a competitor. Take that as you may.

                                Second. Ryan has said in the past he wasn't a fan of SEO. He has since said he has done more research, changed his mind and develop techniques that are producing superb results. This doesn't make him a liar. That doesn't mean his information is bad.

                                I think you should be very careful before making aspersions about anyone's character. Being at safe reach behind a keyboard it is all too easy to make sweeping statements without knowing all the facts.


                                At the end of the day what this product is about is the content. It should be judged on the content.
                                - Will the content produce results if used?
                                - Is the content presented in a way that encourages understanding?
                                - Will the content save time/effort compared to alternative methods?
                                - Is there something in the content that is uniquely valuable?

                                A lot of people don't like the price tag. They say you can get the same results for $600 not $2000.
                                An analogy I would use is this :
                                I build my own PC for about $600 by shopping for all the parts separately and putting them together. I have spent time researching how to do this.
                                Other people buy a $2000 iMac.
                                Both computers achieve the same results. Yet both choices are equally valid. It's all about personal choice.

                                So please lets have people commenting about the content, by those who have seen the content. Play the ball not the man.

                                Full disclosure : I have bought the product, am happy so far and believe the product will deliver value for me. But the jury is still out and until we see more content I believe it is still too early to review the product properly.
                                I think there will be plenty of time to judge the content and get a refund if desired.

                                Hi Liam,

                                I'm really not trying to create dissension in any way. I'm simply observing that about a month or two ago (not YEARS, just 30-40 days ago), Ryan stated very clearly that SEO is too hard, has little to no results, and he has so little knowledge of it that he's been ripped of 3 times.
                                He has failed to show a single keyword, a single site, or any statistic showing his success with SEO.
                                Can you honestly believe that he became an SEO expert in less than 2 months and has verifiable proof of 'perpetual traffic'??? At most, he would have proof of traffic over 2 weeks (which is also lacking).

                                It seems to me like he saw a good newbie market and took advantage of it (good marketing, but unethical in my opinion).

                                The content made available in free resources was either old news, outdated, or just plain wrong in some cases (like the idea that activity on a page = better results - that was the UUU model Seth Godin presented almost 4 years ago, and it has since been greatly changed).

                                Anyway, all I'm saying is that far too many people are willing to suspend critical thinking when it comes to making even major purchases. If you just analyze Ryan's own statements over the last 6 months, you'll see what I mean.

                                Regarding the content:
                                Even if the content is great, it still leaves a major issue unresolved - If Ryan was having someone else teach the course who was an actual expert it would be diff. I think it's misleading to have yourself labeled an SEO expert by your JV partners and make sales based on that.

                                If Ryan reads this, I hope he thinks of this as positive criticism and clarifies what exactly happened...
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                                • Profile picture of the author ZaneAbden
                                  Liam
                                  I would appreciate if you can show us a proof say one of your site on page one using Ryan strategies
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                              • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
                                Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

                                He has since said he has done more research, changed his mind and develop techniques that are producing superb results.
                                Superb results!... like everyone else I would love to see some proof, if you got some please share, otherwise there is little value in repeating all the hype and BS in the product launch
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                                • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
                                  I'm not a newbie (I do 6 figures a year online) and I joined PTF.

                                  I actually already have Page 1 for many keywords and know how to generate free traffic in other ways, however some keywords are difficult to make progress on.

                                  I understand where the sceptics are coming from and appreciate the different viewpoints, however the way I see it there is a 60 day money back guarantee with PTF and Ryan has said we should start seeing results in 6 to 8 weeks.

                                  If it works all well and good, if it doesn't no harm done because of the guarantee.

                                  The big name guru's in the IM industry do honour their guarantees, this is well known.

                                  The downside is your time implementing the stuff if it doesn't work, but if it does work the upside is huge (I know many people who make 6 figures from just ONE keyword)

                                  In my mind and my previous experience of Ryan's products it was definitely worth a shot.
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                                  • Profile picture of the author jaclay20
                                    Originally Posted by oneplusone View Post

                                    I'm not a newbie (I do 6 figures a year online) and I joined PTF.

                                    I actually already have Page 1 for many keywords and know how to generate free traffic in other ways, however some keywords are difficult to make progress on.

                                    I understand where the sceptics are coming from and appreciate the different viewpoints, however the way I see it there is a 60 day money back guarantee with PTF and Ryan has said we should start seeing results in 6 to 8 weeks.

                                    If it works all well and good, if it doesn't no harm done because of the guarantee.

                                    The big name guru's in the IM industry do honour their guarantees, this is well known.

                                    The downside is your time implementing the stuff if it doesn't work, but if it does work the upside is huge (I know many people who make 6 figures from just ONE keyword)

                                    In my mind and my previous experience of Ryan's products it was definitely worth a shot.
                                    Exactly my thoughts. If you don't implement what's in an course or e-book you can't tell if it "works" or not, can you? And If you implement the stuff and it works it's well worth the time and the money. And Ryan is one of the best "gurus" im my opinion. I've bought another product from Ryan and I made an increase in sales after implementing what I learned, that's the whole key, to take action on the stuff.
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                          • Profile picture of the author kflanagan28
                            Saying Ryan D is a competitor of Aaron Walls in terms of SEO is one of the stupidest things I have read on this forum. Aaron Wall is one of the top SEO consultants in the world and most of these crappy products are copied from information he has given away (he is really more than SEO, but that is what we are discussing here). Ryan D is a talented IM who knows how to launch a product, even if he knows little about what he is selling.

                            Originally Posted by LiamP View Post

                            An affiliate can publish a review and be 100% truthful. They can genuinely love the product.
                            A competitor can publish a review and be 100% truthful. They can genuinely dislike the product.

                            But in both cases they are biased, and cannot claim the same credibility an unbiased reviewer can.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
                          I checked out his hot dog cart blog and I noticed that it has SITELINKS now. I'm very surprised that he was able to build up enough trust with Google to get sitelinks for that generic site.

                          If you look at his backlinks he's got over 45,000 links. Comments, articles, etc. etc. It seems like he has comments on hundreds of different pages on the same domains. It's wierd, (IMO) that they would give him sitelinks for that.

                          I wonder how much of that SEO was outsourced? Can anybody here who hasn't bought Perptual Traffic get the same results for a crap site like this. The site has articlebase articles on it and youtube stuff (probably posted automatically) yet it has sitelinks.
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                          • Profile picture of the author Vikram73
                            Originally Posted by Sylonious View Post

                            I checked out his hot dog cart blog and I noticed that it has SITELINKS now. I'm very surprised that he was able to build up enough trust with Google to get sitelinks for that generic site.
                            Hot dog cart blog? What keyword was he ranking for ? The exact match count for 'hot dog cart blog' is less than 10 - and he didn't even land in 1st place for that.

                            Probably Warriors and other IM'ers who follow Deiss are the 10 per month who google this term ;-)
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                            • Profile picture of the author Sylonious
                              Originally Posted by vikramd View Post

                              Hot dog cart blog? What keyword was he ranking for ? The exact match count for 'hot dog cart blog' is less than 10 - and he didn't even land in 1st place for that.

                              Probably Warriors and other IM'ers who follow Deiss are the 10 per month who google this term ;-)
                              He ranks #8 for "Hot Dog Cart". I'm not saying people should pay $2,000 for his system. I'm just trying to reverse engineer what he did and apply it to my own sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zach Booker
    Remember that most tools (Market Samurai, etc) get their Google data from Google themselves.

    ...Most people are predisposed to think an expensive tool (market samurai, etc) give more accurate results because of their cost.

    In reality in my experience there isn't much difference in Google's data and Market Samurai's and for most keywords Google's keyword tool isn't far off.

    (Make sure you have things set to the same when cross-analyzing. Like having "broad" set for both tools and accounting for MS going by daily traffic not monthly)

    From my understanding Module One is tinier, as it should be since everyone is getting ready and settled, and Module Two is huge in comparison with a lot more in-dept stuff, money making stuff.

    I'd hold off on making any judgement calls. That's like saying a football team will never win a game just because they lost the first game. There's still months of content to come (I'm pretty excited for "the hammer" section).

    Cheers,

    Zach
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    • Profile picture of the author palpatine
      Originally Posted by Zach Booker View Post

      Remember that most tools (Market Samurai, etc) get their Google data from Google themselves.

      ...Most people are predisposed to think an expensive tool (market samurai, etc) give more accurate results because of their cost.

      In reality in my experience there isn't much difference in Google's data and Market Samurai's and for most keywords Google's keyword tool isn't far off.

      (Make sure you have things set to the same when cross-analyzing. Like having "broad" set for both tools and accounting for MS going by daily traffic not monthly)

      From my understanding Module One is tinier, as it should be since everyone is getting ready and settled, and Module Two is huge in comparison with a lot more in-dept stuff, money making stuff.

      I'd hold off on making any judgement calls. That's like saying a football team will never win a game just because they lost the fist game. There's still months of content to come (I'm pretty excited for "the hammer" section).

      Cheers,

      Zach

      Hey Zach, I'm glad you mentioned the settings in the keyword tools (broad, phrase, exact) as I wanted to comment on that as well because there was no mention of that - at all - in the keyword research section. Don't you think that should have been discussed? I mean there is a huge difference between broad, phrase and exact match numbers and how and why the search results are displayed. I think that he was remiss for not mentioning the differences, don't you?
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    Hi Everyone,

    I paid for the course and have watched the first few videos. Overall, it's WAY WAY tooo early to make a positive or negative judgement based on the first "intro" week.

    Yes, he did gloss over Google's keyword tool when he was going over how to determine a value for a specific keyword, but in fairness he was only giving an example using that specific tool. The point he was trying to make in his video was to give us a few ideas to run with, which I believe is a better approach. Why spend hours showing how to do a broad, exact, or phrase based searches, market selection.. etc..?

    The goal of the video was to help us determine which fights to pick by determining # of searches, and various other competition metrics he outlined (domain age, keyword in URL, etc.) and then fill out those competition worksheets to determine if the keywords you are going after are worth it.. I hate to assume, but I'm sure his weekly coaching calls will be where you can ask specific questions related to things that were not clear to you.

    As I said above, its not fair to anyone to make a judgement call after just one week regardless if the product was 200 or 2,000. I will however continue to post updates each week on how I feel the course is coming along..

    One thing I do want to mention is that I have never taken a course from Ryan or bought any of his products, nor am I affiliated with him in any way... im just a guy who found "value" in what he was pitching based on my own success with organic traffic... 95% of my income is derived from sites that are based 100% on organic traffic (my sites get well over 40,000 uniques a week) ... so there is definitely truth to what he is saying.

    Will post more as the course continues on..
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    • Profile picture of the author jayman
      Originally Posted by Doctore View Post

      Hi Everyone,

      I paid for the course and have watched the first few videos. Overall, it's WAY WAY tooo early to make a positive or negative judgement based on the first "intro" week.

      Yes, he did gloss over Google's keyword tool when he was going over how to determine a value for a specific keyword, but in fairness he was only giving an example using that specific tool. The point he was trying to make in his video was to give us a few ideas to run with, which I believe is a better approach. Why spend hours showing how to do a broad, exact, or phrase based searches, market selection.. etc..?

      The goal of the video was to help us determine which fights to pick by determining # of searches, and various other competition metrics he outlined (domain age, keyword in URL, etc.) and then fill out those competition worksheets to determine if the keywords you are going after are worth it.. I hate to assume, but I'm sure his weekly coaching calls will be where you can ask specific questions related to things that were not clear to you.

      As I said above, its not fair to anyone to make a judgement call after just one week regardless if the product was 200 or 2,000. I will however continue to post updates each week on how I feel the course is coming along..

      One thing I do want to mention is that I have never taken a course from Ryan or bought any of his products, nor am I affiliated with him in any way... im just a guy who found "value" in what he was pitching based on my own success with organic traffic... 95% of my income is derived from sites that are based 100% on organic traffic (my sites get well over 40,000 uniques a week) ... so there is definitely truth to what he is saying.

      Will post more as the course continues on..
      Please keep us updated with your review, thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Tony Shipp
    The lesson you should get from this course is how to launch a product. Ryan has shown me he is an excellent marketer if anything. I did not purchase because I didn't see anything that displayed his SEO skills or examples of traffic outside of his prelaunch process.

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  • Profile picture of the author Preciseim
    I guess we will have to wait until more people who have actually bought it review it
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  • Profile picture of the author tradermike2008
    part of the point of these type of launches is so that peope can't read reviews of the products before they buy them.
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  • Profile picture of the author thetruth23
    uHow can you disagree? The most prominent thing on the home page is his own SEO training product!

    This must be a bad example of people not shooting down the competetion I suppose.

    Look, what Liam said is true. At the end of the day that guys review had zero editorial unbias whatsoever.
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  • Profile picture of the author ruch1v
    I don't want to get into all of this, but regarding my earlier comments, Aaron Wall is easily in the top 3 of SEO teaching in the world (in my opinion), if you're as involved in the SEO world as I am, it's hard not to have heard of Aaron, other very well known SEO teachers are companies like Stompernet and SEOMOZ, the thing is, Aaron has reviewed their products and spoken positively about them (I've read positive reviews on Stompernet at least, I'm sure I can find something on SEOMOZ if I looked), as far as competitors go, they would be seen as Aaron's competitors rather than Ryan Deiss as that is essentially the core focus of what they teach, whereas Ryan covers a vast number of aspects in IM. Furthermore, Aaron made that blog post on Wednesday 4th August, Ryan stopped taking sales on Monday 2nd August, so it wouldn't have benefited him anyway

    I have also bought the course, I do think it's way too early to make a judgement yet, but as I've already got a somewhat deep level of SEO understanding, I have already noticed some of the stuff he has taught is somewhat innacurate
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    • Profile picture of the author palpatine
      Originally Posted by ruch1v View Post

      I don't want to get into all of this, but regarding my earlier comments, Aaron Wall is easily in the top 3 of SEO teaching in the world (in my opinion), if you're as involved in the SEO world as I am, it's hard not to have heard of Aaron, other very well known SEO teachers are companies like Stompernet and SEOMOZ, the thing is, Aaron has reviewed their products and spoken positively about them (I've read positive reviews on Stompernet at least, I'm sure I can find something on SEOMOZ if I looked), as far as competitors go, they would be seen as Aaron's competitors rather than Ryan Deiss as that is essentially the core focus of what they teach, whereas Ryan covers a vast number of aspects in IM. Furthermore, Aaron made that blog post on Wednesday 4th August, Ryan stopped taking sales on Monday 2nd August, so it wouldn't have benefited him anyway

      I have also bought the course, I do think it's way too early to make a judgement yet, but as I've already got a somewhat deep level of SEO understanding, I have already noticed some of the stuff he has taught is somewhat innacurate

      I also bought the course and while I did not think the first module was very well structured or very informative for that matter, I didn't find anything to be "inaccurate". I'd love to know what you think is inaccurate?

      Also, Ryan took a coaching call for 3 hours yesterday, which is a lot longer than most of the other "gurus'" phone calls usually are, in my experience.

      He also explained that the first module is, well, boring compared to the rest. He also said he is going back to create more videos geared towards module 1 training as there were others that felt that it wasn't detailed enough as well. I also liked his enthusiasm, which is contagious because it seemed sincere, and I'm looking forward to the rest of the program (even though I wasn't crazy about module 1 myself).

      All in all, there definitely hasn't been enough content to judge this course but I am still optimistic after being on the first call yesterday.
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  • Profile picture of the author Doctore
    Palpatine,

    I agree... I was very impressed with Ryan taking the time to go through the questions.. I myself would not have had as much patience as he did with some of the callers.. he spent 3 hours taking calls .. going into details and helping each person understand.. essentially offered personal one on one coaching.. he earned a lot of points in my book.

    As for the course.. im still undecided and think its impossible to make a judgement based on a single week.. next week should be interesting...

    Overall, i think its hard to create a course for people with so many different degrees of experience.. as you heard on the call, some people have absolutely no clue while others seemed very experienced.. so I think he's doing the right thing as in creating the videos that give a good overview and then providing the weekly coaching calls to "fill in the blanks" that people have..

    looking forward to next week.
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    • Profile picture of the author dseisner
      Originally Posted by Doctore View Post

      Palpatine,

      I agree... I was very impressed with Ryan taking the time to go through the questions.. I myself would not have had as much patience as he did with some of the callers.. he spent 3 hours taking calls .. going into details and helping each person understand.. essentially offered personal one on one coaching.. he earned a lot of points in my book.

      As for the course.. im still undecided and think its impossible to make a judgement based on a single week.. next week should be interesting...

      Overall, i think its hard to create a course for people with so many different degrees of experience.. as you heard on the call, some people have absolutely no clue while others seemed very experienced.. so I think he's doing the right thing as in creating the videos that give a good overview and then providing the weekly coaching calls to "fill in the blanks" that people have..

      looking forward to next week.
      Guys... are you really IMPRESSED by 3 hours on a coaching call?

      Ryan says he charges $250/hour for individual coaching. He made MILLIONS off of this launch. If he spends 3 hours a week for the next 8 weeks, that's only about $5000 in personal coaching... and if his module 1 was really that weak, if he didn't do it, people would be refunding left and right.

      As for creating a course that's for all levels... he made his bed.
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      • Profile picture of the author palpatine
        Originally Posted by dseisner View Post

        Guys... are you really IMPRESSED by 3 hours on a coaching call?

        Ryan says he charges $250/hour for individual coaching. He made MILLIONS off of this launch. If he spends 3 hours a week for the next 8 weeks, that's only about $5000 in personal coaching... and if his module 1 was really that weak, if he didn't do it, people would be refunding left and right.

        As for creating a course that's for all levels... he made his bed.

        No matter what anyone says, the guy is a frickin marketing genius, and deserves every nickel he made so far from the launch. Whether or not he will get to keep it is completely up to him. Deliver the value, keep the money. Don't deliver the value, people will refund. I don't understand why anyone would refund after 1 week as there is a 60 day guarantee, but I guess there's a lot of things I don't understand in this world.

        Now as far as spending 3 hours on a coaching call, I've been in other high-end "coaching programs" where the "coach" can't wait to get off the phone after an hour, not going to mention any names here but others probably will concur. Doctore's sentiments hold true for me as well, he earned a lot of points in my book with that call, he could have called it quits after 1 or 2 hours and most people would have thought that that was sufficient, but he saw how many questions were in que and tried to address them all and I give him props for that.

        Since there are a lot of newbies, myself included (maybe not to the same degree as others), but I understand why he started off slow and actually there have been other courses that have started off slow and picked up enough momentum to where I felt that I got enough value out of it to not refund.

        I hope this is one of those courses and after what Ryan said on the phone call yesterday, my gut tells me that it will be.
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  • Profile picture of the author jtooder
    I agree kflanagan28, you are spot on. Aaron knows SEO, Ryan knows how to SELL SEO (and other IM products) better. He comes out with a new product virtually monthly and probably does a boatload of sales and money. I respect him and what he does, he's a good salesman and not much more. Worth 2k, doubt it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ishan Soni
    I've personally purchased just about every product that Ryan has released and he is one of the only marketers I respect.

    His teachings have made me a TON of money. $1997 seems like a good investment so far to be honest.
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    • Profile picture of the author markling
      My experience with Ryan's products (and I was not one of the guys promoting his Perpetual Traffic Formula) is that they are usually pretty good, although costly.

      One thing you can be sure of is that you will gain a very solid traffic generation course in Perpetual Traffic Formula. However you may also find that there are other comparable courses for cheaper, much cheaper. But they might not be as easy to follow, and you might buy a lot of lemons before you find something that covers a similar length and depth of training as Ryan's latest course.

      For me, an experienced online marketer, $2k isn't a high investment if I gain a few gold nuggets that lead to an increase in traffic, conversions, average $ per customer, or # of transactions per customer.

      For a newbie who isn't making money yet, $2k is a HUGE investment, and I wouldn't recommend that you invest that kind of money on a Traffic Generation course unless you are already making money.

      You are better off investing in an affiliate marketing, or product creation course. So that you get some websites online that make you money first.

      $2k isn't a lot of money when it is a reinvestment of profits you are already making. It is a lot of money when you aren't making money yet.

      Here is a book that is about $50 on Amazon, and I believe if a 'Guru' was to take this knowledge and turn it into a video course with live online instruction etc, it would sell for $1-2k quite easily and customers would be happy.

      However, the writers have a different purpose in mind. They want to release this information to boost their credibility as authors, as SEO experts (they run SEO companies), they want their book to become a bestseller, and so forth, hence the low price point.

      The book I'm talking about is: The Art of SEO by Enge, Spencer, Fishkin and Stricchiola.

      Check it out, it's not only packed FULL of intermediate to advanced SEO tips, they back up all of their assertions with solid facts and quotes from Google patents, test results and other proven data.

      This book won't hold you by the hand like Ryan's course will. But I'd be very surprised if Ryan's course was more comprehensive in it's coverage of how to get high SEO rankings than this book. (Of course Ryan probably teaches other traffic methods too in his course).

      2ndly, another good book well worth getting is Terry Kyle's Backlinks Hydra (he's a Warrior Forum member), I think it's about $97 from memory.

      All the best,
      Mark
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  • Profile picture of the author crystalq
    @LiamP, your obviously a beginner, seobook.com was one of the most visited SEO/Keyword research sites on the internet and still is. SeoBook offered(before Google keyword tool became public) the best free keyword tool online along with wordtracker.com.

    Just look at their site PR6 and 1,100 alexa. Who'd you rather learn from?
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  • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
    is anyone who bought the product going to post an updated review?, maybe everybody has refunded by now?
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      • Profile picture of the author dseisner
        Originally Posted by Brian Dayton View Post

        (Mods: Regarding this review, I'm NOT bashing Ryan personally but this IS a negative review on the product/service which I believe is very much allowed as per the forum rules, I do intend to make my "feelings" known but ONLY on the actual product and customer service)

        This is NOT going to be a good review on PTF, a bad review but I believe it is entirely justified.

        A negative one, as that is what my experience is, negative.

        I have no intention of bashing Ryan Deiss personally (I'm well aware of the forum rules), however I do intend to bring to light the terrible customer service and product which needs to be addressed.

        So let me make it clear, I do not believe Ryan Deiss to be a scam artist, conman or anything of the sort and everything I'm writing about is with my frustration on the product, and especially the customer service.

        When I do mention Ryan Deiss it is ONLY regarding the way he has run this service, and isn't personal.

        Myself and my brother in law, split the cost and paid $1,997 for this course, one of the main attractions for us was the 8 weeks coaching with access to all Ryan's staff.

        Regarding whether the course works, all I can say is not ONE of our websites has reached Page 1 or even close, we went for doable keywords as outlined in the course and my brother in law and myself ARE fairly intelligent guys (we are both university graduates)

        Now maybe things WILL improve over time, but so far on the SEO side, there is little to get excited about.

        No other PTF members have reported any success stories as yet either, despite Ryan setting up a forum within the PTF members site asking members to report their results.

        HOWEVER, on this issue I'm willing to be patient, despite Ryan's claims of Page 1 in 60 days most of us know SEO takes time and if some of our sites eventually reach Page 1 due to the course that is fine by me.

        The BIGGEST PROBLEM is, the CUSTOMER SUPPORT which has been HORRIFIC (this is me being polite, I can't express the anger I feel regarding this)

        One of the many claims Ryan made (which was one of the reasons we went for it) was that we would have access to 8 WEEKS SUPPORT AND COACHING FROM RYAN AND HIS STAFF.

        The reality has been VERY different.

        There is NO ACCESS to Ryan, or ANY of his staff whatsoever - the only thing in the members area is a little submission box where members can submit a question which Ryan answers (in a dismissive manner) during a once a week phone call which is then recorded and put into the members area.

        To call this ACCESS TO HIMSELF AND HIS STAFF for 8 weeks is laughable, however one glimmer of hope was when Ryan set up a forum within the PTF members area, this could have solved the horrific customer support problem.

        Not unexpectedly DOZENS of questions have been posted on the forum, someone called "Julian Farley" has occasionally popped in to give some one line replies - but DOZENS OF IMPORTANT QUESTIONS FROM CUSTOMERS STRUGGLING TO USE THE COURSE REMAIN UNANSWERED FOR DAYS ON END.

        This "Julian Farley" either can't be bothered to answer the questions, doesn't know how to ... or can't keep up.

        HOW IS ONE SUPPOSED TO GO THROUGH AN EXPENSIVE IM COURSE WHEN THERE IS ZERO SUPPORT, AND YOUR QUESTIONS ARE NOT ANSWERED FOR DAYS, WEEKS ON END?

        Questions on the course, software problems and many other things have been posted in the forum and Ryan Deiss has not bothered to answer ONE QUESTION. ZERO.

        In the meantime Ryan has found plenty of time to post tweets on his twitter, post on the warrior forum, send out affiliate email promotions daily ... but when it comes to helping customers who have paid him $1,997 he has not answered a SINGLE QUESTION.

        If his staff were busy answering all the questions in detail on the PTF forum I would have no problem, but this is NOT the case.

        The PTF forum is of no use at the moment to anyone, and I feel was only set up because Ryan was getting inundated with support tickets from people requiring support on how to make sense of the course and the software.
        ................................
        So my questions to Ryan Deiss are....

        1) Where is the promised 8 weeks coaching and access to your staff? Don't tell me a once a week phone call is ongoing "coaching", it isn't. People have paid $1,997 of their hard earned money.

        A little forum where one of your staff answers 20% of the questions every few days with one line answers is NOT coaching.

        2) Why are there DOZENS of unanswered questions on the PTF forum, hasn't it crossed your mind that customers are REALLY struggling with the PTF course, the software and need help?

        Not ONE person has reported any positive results on the PTF forum, doesn't this concern you? Or are you too busy moving onto the next "IM GURU LAUNCH"?

        3) Why haven't you replied to a SINGLE post on the forum you set up?

        Don't tell me you haven't noticed the DOZENS of unanswered questions which have been sat there for days on end. Is this a deliberate delaying tactic to ensure people use up the 60 days of the guarantee period?

        4) Why did you say in MODULE 6 you would show people how to get 30,000 to 40,000 backlinks when in reality you are only showing how to get 1,000 backlinks to sites?

        I don't know anyone in SEO who does funny math where they multiply their backlinks by hundreds because they are better quality. Maybe this can be overlooked, but it is still somewhat misleading don't you think?

        5) You promised in the PTF course many times that you would go out of your way to help clients, make new demo videos or anything else to ensure clients succeed. Why hasn't this promise been honoured?

        You haven't even helped clients on the forum let alone make any new demo videos.

        ..............................

        So that is all I have to say on PTF, the course hasn't produced results for anyone (YET), there is no customer support or coaching to speak of and Ryan Deiss appears to be entirely disinterested in helping any clients.

        I'm not the only one who feels this way, on other marketing forums where people aren't so POLITE as on here they are saying the same thing as I am, but in far harsher language.

        This is all I have to say on this course at the moment, I am NOT HAPPY.

        Not because of the lack of results, but because there has been no real support or help whatsoever SO FAR.

        When people aren't getting results, but there is GREAT SUPPORT from the seller then customers are usually understanding and patient.

        NO RESULTS + NO SUPPORT is when customers become angry/frustrated, and they MAY just start complaining to people that you do NOT want to be on the radar of.

        So if you're reading this Ryan, PLEASE get your support in order and start addressing your clients problems.

        I DO believe your course has potential, however you are not exactly inspiring confidence with your poor treatment of your customers.

        In closing I sincerely hope Ryan can turn this disaster around, start providing some REAL support to clients, get busy answering the DOZENS of unanswered questions on the PTF forum and show that he really wants his clients to succeed.

        Brian

        Thank you for coming on and having the balls to actually review the product and customer service for real.

        I have to say, I am surprised by SOME of the things you're reporting.

        I'm NOT surprised that Ryan has not answered any of the questions personally on a forum or otherwise. Why? My FEELING (and no proof behind this) is that Ryan is not an expert on SEO (and that yes, he is probably in the midst of arranging his next launch/product). Mostly this comes from the pre-sell products he put out before the launch, his sales video and claims within, and the fact that he bashes SEO and says he doesn't know anything about it in the sales video of his previous product launch (Facebook Ad Power, which was released in Feb). Terry Kyle, Tom Goodwin, and I talked about this in a recent interview I did with them (not a promotion). I think it's more likely that Ryan saw a marketing opportunity with the caffeine update and got some SEO guys to put some material together. If Ryan wants to come on here and tell me I'm wrong, I will gladly retract. Apparently he posts on this forum (according to Brian), though I haven't seen him do it (though I suppose I could look for it).


        On another note... I agree with markling on his points about $2k products, to a certain extent. See, $2k is usually the smallest cost you will have when you invest in one of these products. The BIGGEST cost is usually TIME and INTELLECTUAL INVESTMENT. For example, if you spend 8 weeks in an intense course learning the WRONG WAY, you will pay much more dearly than $2k. Not to mention, SEO generally costs money. It doesn't have to, but if you're doing it with software, outsourcers, etc, it will cost money. If you do it wrong, you can destroy websites or cost yourself months of work. What if one of the sites you decided to work on here was your local business? It's not a niche site that you can just play around with, it's your baby. That's the true cost (risk).

        Where I do agree with markling completely (and why I believe he got thanked 6 times for it), is that Terry's backlinks Hydra is the book to look at (I don't know anything about the amazon book he recommends). Priced at $97, it is a much more worthwhile investment. With a book like Terry's, you only pay $97, you spend 3-5 hours reading it, and you know it's based on REAL testing, coming from a shrewd, creative SEO mind. I don't need to buy PTF to know that it will not contain even a fraction of what Terry is teaching because much of Hydra contains original ideas. Notice: Yes, I was an affiliate for Terry's book, still am (and did not promote PTF). But I'm not putting a link here or anything. And yes, I realize this is a PTF discussion - but PFT is about SEO, however Ryan (smartly) wants to brand it. In IM, especially SEO, it's important to filter the good info from the bad.

        Where I am surprised by the above post is that Ryan is probably setting himself up for thousands of refunds. As a marketer, I don't see profit angle here. Will it cost him more to hire a few SEO guys on staff to answer some questions on the forum than it will in refunds? And the next time he promotes a $2k product... then what? I don't see this as being responsible marketing on his part, if everything that Brian says is true (Brian - I'm not saying I don't trust what you're saying, but merely pointing out that it is 2nd hand info).

        Thanks again for the info, Brian.
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  • Profile picture of the author Focused Action
    I just received an email blast from Ryan - How I "Busted-Up" Google's Monopoly - i only watched two minutes of it and in it he states that getting FREE traffic / SEO is really hard - and he is NO expert at SEO. Ryan - you might want to get rid of that auto-responder series since you have been selling a $2,000 SEO Free Traffic product with you as the EXPERT!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author dseisner
      Originally Posted by curtroese View Post

      I just received an email blast from Ryan - How I "Busted-Up" Google's Monopoly - i only watched two minutes of it and in it he states that getting FREE traffic / SEO is really hard - and he is NO expert at SEO. Ryan - you might want to get rid of that auto-responder series since you have been selling a $2,000 SEO Free Traffic product with you as the EXPERT!!!
      This is not in his autoresponder series... I've gotten 3 blasts for Facebook ad power from him in the last 2 days. Ironically, yes, it is the full video of the clip that was posted on this thread (of him bashing SEO). Funny how things work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Focused Action
    Here we ago again! Just in from Ryan an email titled - "10 Biggest Free Traffic Sources PDF/Video" - this is his affiliate promotion for the launch of Jeff Johnsons new product - "Traffic Voodoo 2.0". Does Ryan's $2,000 traffic product not cover these 10 free traffic sources already - none of them are new?

    Why would he promote a competing "Traffic System" product a month after selling his own "Traffic System"??? Is he saying, mine is really not that good you HAVE to see this one. This is just one big circle-jerk of guru promoting guru promoting guru until they have all made a fortune!

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    • Profile picture of the author Mountainbird
      Originally Posted by curtroese View Post

      This is just one big circle-jerk of guru promoting guru promoting guru until they have all made a fortune!
      Yes, that's how it works.

      Signature

      :)

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    • Profile picture of the author ShaneRQR
      Originally Posted by curtroese View Post

      Why would he promote a competing "Traffic System" product a month after selling his own "Traffic System"??? Is he saying, mine is really not that good you HAVE to see this one. This is just one big circle-jerk of guru promoting guru promoting guru until they have all made a fortune!


      He may not have promoted this to his customers, only to his prospects. Not that I know this, it's just a possibility.

      And yes, that's how the guru-thing works.

      They all do limited launches of $2.000 products. While the ClickBank-Boys just lie about the limited availability of their products, the 2K-Club only lie about the number on the limitation (they sell all they can for a limited period of time, but often claim that it's limited to 500 copies).
      The real scarcity involved increases the conversions they get and there's no real drawback to the system. Instead of having one product for 2K, selling all the time, they simply take turns. In any given month, there's someone's 2K product to promote. Whether they are the creator or the affiliate, they always get 1K per sale, so it's just like one big, ongoing promotion for a 1K product - except better because of the perpetual "newness" and scarcity.

      That's how it works.

      The question is: Do you want to join the circus and if you do, what side do you want to be on?
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      • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
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        That's how it works.

        The question is: Do you want to join the circus and if you do, what side do you want to be on?


        The clowns. Deffo. People are scared of clowns.

        Getting back to my earlier post - I am amazed that people will pay 2k for thin air.

        Still waiting for the post that shouts IT WORKS and here's the proof....
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        • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
          Originally Posted by IndigoJack View Post


          Still waiting for the post that shouts IT WORKS and here's the proof....
          buddy, you will be waiting for a long time.... even Ryan Deiss could not produce that LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author hitesh93
        Originally Posted by ShaneRQR View Post

        He may not have promoted this to his customers, only to his prospects. Not that I know this, it's just a possibility.

        And yes, that's how the guru-thing works.

        They all do limited launches of $2.000 products. While the ClickBank-Boys just lie about the limited availability of their products, the 2K-Club only lie about the number on the limitation (they sell all they can for a limited period of time, but often claim that it's limited to 500 copies).
        The real scarcity involved increases the conversions they get and there's no real drawback to the system. Instead of having one product for 2K, selling all the time, they simply take turns. In any given month, there's someone's 2K product to promote. Whether they are the creator or the affiliate, they always get 1K per sale, so it's just like one big, ongoing promotion for a 1K product - except better because of the perpetual "newness" and scarcity.

        That's how it works.

        The question is: Do you want to join the circus and if you do, what side do you want to be on?
        It's actually a little worse than that...in Deiss' case, they were selling the product EVEN AFTER the supposed 'limited time' was over. What shocks me the most is that when these guys get together to plan their calendars for the launches (and they do), why didn't someone say to Ryan - "Dude, you've been dissing SEO for months now, choose something else you don't know much about..."

        And with the months of preparation they put into it, why not get a bunch of honest REAL experts on this put together solid information, training, and a real service?

        For under $2k, my partner and I build people's lists for them...I can't imagine charging that much and just telling them the basics of 'how to go about it'. It's like a plumber coming over, charging $100/hour and just telling you HOW to fix the leak. Sheesh.
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    The 2k price tag is an AWFUL lot of money. From reading the posts I can't see what is being imparted to justify it?

    Has anyone got to the end? Is it like a rainbow and there's a pot of gold at the end?

    I'll be following this because I'm baffled by the whole concept's success.
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  • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
    This is the best advice you will read all week, un-subscribe from ALL the big gurus lists, they send you nothing but hyped up promotions for their own products and those in the "secret 2K guru ring"... yes it really does exist!

    They don't do SEO, write articles or do blog comments, 95%+ of their traffic comes from ad swaps, list swaps and JV's, you will learn nothing from them, they will just drain your bank account

    You get MUCH better tips and advice, without the hype, from lesser known people like

    Kim Roach
    Pawel Reszka
    Matt Carter

    to name a few
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  • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
    I really wonder how he can keep going with his business in the long run... Just the matter of time until there is someone who is powerful enough to write an influential public press upon this kind of issue. I really hope this happen as it will give an impact to those unscrupulous marketers who only want to rip you off but always deliver crap.

    Try to really imagine how would you be in this scenario :

    One day you go to the XXX store, there is no one to serve you and those workers were like "I DON'T CARE" on their faces. Then you decide to purchase an XXX product without bothering those workers and go home. 3 days later, that product is spoiled.... And this happens to say 7 out of 10 people.

    How would this business become in the end? Increase in market share ( if you are serious! ) or go into bankruptcy?

    I always believe in customer service and the product quality in the long run. Internet marketers nowadays are getting more and more greedy and have already forgotten the "long-run" business model that will stay.

    I really do hate services that give false claims, ridiculous support and treating their customers like a 3-year-old.

    Keep on promoting rubbish and producing rubbish to the customers.. I feel really pathetic about this.

    Anyway, there are still others who deliver what they claim to be.

    Guys, it's time to clean up your lists. Work on your on stuff and produce high quality product that works for your customers.

    Good luck.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
      Originally Posted by WyattTenG View Post

      I really wonder how he can keep going with his business in the long run...
      It's really very simple... send a message to these BS gurus where it hurts...

      Whenever someone sends you an email that is either BS, hype or a downright lie just un-subscribe from their lists

      They thrive because most people are suckers and stay on their lists in fear of missing out on a get rich quick scheme, instead of working on a solid business plan

      It's important to keep in touch with whats going on but you really will learn much more from the "unknowns"

      I'm just about done un-subscribing and I can tell you it free'd up a lot of time not reading all these bs hype promotions
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      • Profile picture of the author WyattTenG
        Originally Posted by kenwarrior View Post

        It's really very simple... send a message to these BS gurus where it hurts...

        Whenever someone sends you an email that is either BS, hype or a downright lie just un-subscribe from their lists

        They thrive because most people are suckers and stay on their lists in fear of missing out on something!

        It's important to keep in touch with whats going on but you really will learn much more from the "unknowns"

        I'm just about done un-subscribing and I can tell you it freed up a lot of time not reading all these bs hype promotions
        I totally agree with you and you're very right. I learn more stuff from the unknowns and even from searching through google itself. If you're really willing to learn, no matter where you learn, you will get what you want without even paying a single cent.

        Perhaps, we should hire a CNN reporter to write upon this bad marketing/service issue. I believe it's just the matter of time when it really happens in the future.

        I love seeing this happen!
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      • Profile picture of the author jon poland
        Originally Posted by kenwarrior View Post

        It's really very simple... send a message to these BS gurus where it hurts...

        I'm just about done un-subscribing and I can tell you it free'd up a lot of time not reading all these bs hype promotions
        Ken just offered some terrific advice.

        If you want to double your productivity overnight, unsubscribe to all the guru list marketers today and you will be twice as productive (if not more) tomorrow.

        Or, you can do what I have done -- filter them to a gmail account and spend 5 minutes skimming these emails once a week. Eventually you will reach the point where you don't want to log into your gmail account to see what the gurus have sent you because you know it will distract you from the progress you are making in building your business.

        Try it. It's very liberating.
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  • Profile picture of the author IndigoJack
    I was 'harvested' by RD on twitter. Some tweeter operating under a different name followed me and sent me a DM that I replied to. Mistake.

    Then started to receive the emails from RD each day. Read the 'Perpetual Traffic Report'.

    More emails. Too many emails.

    So unsubscribed.
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  • Profile picture of the author dremora
    The thing is, none of the PTF traffic came from search. All of it came from JV partners and affiliates promoting it to their lists of hundred thousand gazillion.

    Oh it gets better... Just Google Ryan Deiss and see the top 10 results.

    This alone shows you the irrefutable proof of Ryan's incredible search engine ranking skills.

    Want to know if the product is worth it or not? Simply friggin Google the name of its creator. If they are claiming to be experts on SEO, ranking and traffic, the Serps and Alexa traffic data will show you more than you want to know.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nucreature777
    I purchased PTF at the launch a couple of months ago. The million dollar question or should I say the $2000 question was it worth it??? I would have to say YES, for me it was. I am somewhat of a newbie, i knew principals like linking, keywords, title tags etc.. however I did not have a system for creating links, I had no idea of the value of utilizing web 2.0 websites, I did not know what article spinning was, so for me it was definitely worth it! For someone who has been at this for a while then no it probably wouldn't be worth it.

    Keep in mind that there is a ton of bonuses on top of the course. For example an entire module on starting a SEO Business and how to run it successfully. Another bonus is Ryan's hired SEO gun is going to release the training videos that he gives to the outsources he hires to do all of his SEO work. In the forum there is a huge list of .edu sites to go and get high quality links from and there are (8) 4 and 5 hour coaching calls archived for you to listen to and on and on.

    Also for me what basically paid for the course many times over is the free ticket I received to the Traffic and Conversion Summit. I was blown away by the amount of information that I received there. I can literally start a marketing firm just using the content from that weekend.

    The most disappointing thing for me was the Linkbounder software, however I found a software called SENuke which basically automates a lot of what you would have to do manually in Linkbounder. Some would say all you need is SEnuke and you could have saved $2000, however for me without knowing the principals that Ryan taught me in the course I would have had a huge learning curve on properly implementing such a software. I think eventually linkbounder will morph into an SEnuke type software because from the sounds of it Ryan has big plans to offer it for use with none PTF members for $97 per month. I figure these guys wanted to hurry up and put this course together so they haven't had time to create a really powerful software yet, but I see a lot of potential in the future if they decide to vamp up linkbounder to an SEnuke type software.

    If anyone is disappointed with their purchase I would say #1 they spent $2000 the probably didn't have in the budget to spend and they have buyers remorse #2 They were expecting a magic bullet that would require very little work from them, the bottom line is SEO is work and unless you are outsourcing or using a lot of software and tools. or #3 If you are a seasoned SEO expert and you expected some deeper revelation into SEO you also were probably disappointed.

    However, I think for the latter if they didn't know about RSS Mashing they probably got their money's worth as well just with that one ninja trick.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
      Originally Posted by Nucreature777 View Post

      I purchased PTF at the launch a couple of months ago. The million dollar question or should I say the $2000 question was it worth it??? I would have to say YES, for me it was. I am somewhat of a newbie, i knew principals like linking, keywords, title tags etc.. however I did not have a system for creating links, I had no idea of the value of utilizing web 2.0 websites, I did not know what article spinning was, so for me it was definitely worth it! For someone who has been at this for a while then no it probably wouldn't be worth it.

      Keep in mind that there is a ton of bonuses on top of the course. For example an entire module on starting a SEO Business and how to run it successfully. Another bonus is Ryan's hired SEO gun is going to release the training videos that he gives to the outsources he hires to do all of his SEO work. In the forum there is a huge list of .edu sites to go and get high quality links from and there are (8) 4 and 5 hour coaching calls archived for you to listen to and on and on.

      Also for me what basically paid for the course many times over is the free ticket I received to the Traffic and Conversion Summit. I was blown away by the amount of information that I received there. I can literally start a marketing firm just using the content from that weekend.

      The most disappointing thing for me was the Linkbounder software, however I found a software called SENuke which basically automates a lot of what you would have to do manually in Linkbounder. Some would say all you need is SEnuke and you could have saved $2000, however for me without knowing the principals that Ryan taught me in the course I would have had a huge learning curve on properly implementing such a software. I think eventually linkbounder will morph into an SEnuke type software because from the sounds of it Ryan has big plans to offer it for use with none PTF members for $97 per month. I figure these guys wanted to hurry up and put this course together so they haven't had time to create a really powerful software yet, but I see a lot of potential in the future if they decide to vamp up linkbounder to an SEnuke type software.

      If anyone is disappointed with their purchase I would say #1 they spent $2000 the probably didn't have in the budget to spend and they have buyers remorse #2 They were expecting a magic bullet that would require very little work from them, the bottom line is SEO is work and unless you are outsourcing or using a lot of software and tools. or #3 If you are a seasoned SEO expert and you expected some deeper revelation into SEO you also were probably disappointed.

      However, I think for the latter if they didn't know about RSS Mashing they probably got their money's worth as well just with that one ninja trick.
      thanks, great review post, I just want to know... are you getting perpetual traffic yet, and if so how much?, thanks in advance
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    • Profile picture of the author dseisner
      Originally Posted by Nucreature777 View Post

      I purchased PTF at the launch a couple of months ago. The million dollar question or should I say the $2000 question was it worth it??? I would have to say YES, for me it was. I am somewhat of a newbie, i knew principals like linking, keywords, title tags etc.. however I did not have a system for creating links, I had no idea of the value of utilizing web 2.0 websites, I did not know what article spinning was, so for me it was definitely worth it! For someone who has been at this for a while then no it probably wouldn't be worth it.

      Keep in mind that there is a ton of bonuses on top of the course. For example an entire module on starting a SEO Business and how to run it successfully. Another bonus is Ryan's hired SEO gun is going to release the training videos that he gives to the outsources he hires to do all of his SEO work. In the forum there is a huge list of .edu sites to go and get high quality links from and there are (8) 4 and 5 hour coaching calls archived for you to listen to and on and on.

      Also for me what basically paid for the course many times over is the free ticket I received to the Traffic and Conversion Summit. I was blown away by the amount of information that I received there. I can literally start a marketing firm just using the content from that weekend.

      The most disappointing thing for me was the Linkbounder software, however I found a software called SENuke which basically automates a lot of what you would have to do manually in Linkbounder. Some would say all you need is SEnuke and you could have saved $2000, however for me without knowing the principals that Ryan taught me in the course I would have had a huge learning curve on properly implementing such a software. I think eventually linkbounder will morph into an SEnuke type software because from the sounds of it Ryan has big plans to offer it for use with none PTF members for $97 per month. I figure these guys wanted to hurry up and put this course together so they haven't had time to create a really powerful software yet, but I see a lot of potential in the future if they decide to vamp up linkbounder to an SEnuke type software.

      If anyone is disappointed with their purchase I would say #1 they spent $2000 the probably didn't have in the budget to spend and they have buyers remorse #2 They were expecting a magic bullet that would require very little work from them, the bottom line is SEO is work and unless you are outsourcing or using a lot of software and tools. or #3 If you are a seasoned SEO expert and you expected some deeper revelation into SEO you also were probably disappointed.

      However, I think for the latter if they didn't know about RSS Mashing they probably got their money's worth as well just with that one ninja trick.

      I thought everything in your post was just fine. The only part I take issue with is the bolded part. If you think RSS Mashing is worth $2k and a "ninja tactic", then something is seriously wrong. Either you have been fed garbage information and it is not your fault, or you just don't have the experience yet. Both are fine, but I guarantee you that a mediocre tactic like that can be found in a $5 WSO. I can make one right now in 20 minutes but I wouldn't sell it because my customers expect more than that from me and I do not wish to tarnish my reputation.

      I still see no reviews whatsoever that Ryan offered anything new. No problem though, every experienced marketer was able to learn a great deal from one of the most impressive launches ever (even if the product doesn't hold up to the claims).
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  • Profile picture of the author ijohnson
    Alright, I've been following this thread for a while waiting on a general consensus. I must say the comments have been amusing. However, I think it's time to hone back in on the opening comment . . . Is this $2k product by Ryan Diess worth the money?

    We have one "YES" vote from a newbie. Are there any experienced marketers out there who can give a vote of confidence for this product TODAY after having access to it for several months? Please line up here and cast your vote.
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  • Profile picture of the author Zero
    99% of the people who bought it probably don't even post here. So its unlikely you're gonna find many people to give a real review of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author XToni
    Get a 40$ SEO book, convert it to videos put a sales page and a lot of hype and you got your 1997$ product.
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    • Profile picture of the author boris s
      Originally Posted by XToni View Post

      Get a 40$ SEO book, convert it to videos put a sales page and a lot of hype and you got your 1997$ product.
      I agree 100%
      WAY too expensive for a SEO training course.
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      • Profile picture of the author oneplusone
        I've been a member of PTF since it first launched, I like the layout and logic behind the modules inside the course, and decided not to refund in the 60 day guarantee period.

        I think PTF style sites have a solid foundation for SEO.

        The big negative for me is the support, he keeps asking clients to post specific questions on the members forum.

        Which is fine, but most of the questions from clients don't get addressed for weeks.

        So many clients are stuck on different modules, problems with the Linkbounder software etc, clients post questions on the members forum regarding all this and are not getting any replies/help in a timely manner.

        Quite a few complaints have been building up recently on the members forum.

        Ryan keeps promising to deliver support on the members forum, but this has yet to come to fruition.

        Without proper support, the course isn't really workable unless you're VERY experienced with SEO.

        I've managed to make some progress with the course, but I've had to get answers to my questions from elsewhere, most newbies who joined won't have access to the other paid SEO resources that I do.

        So overall, I have mixed feelings regarding this course.

        Not been a bad experience, but not a good one either :confused:
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  • Profile picture of the author Nucreature777
    I was asked if I have perpetual traffic the answer is yes. I have several sites up at #1 on Google, Yahoo and Bing and many other more competitive keywords indexed in the top 5 on the first page. Also the comment about the RSS mashing, I think Ryan's trick is a bit different he shows you how to get 250,000+ backlinks using RSS feeds and RSS Mashing, however on the video he specifically asked for the students not to reveal this trick or teach it and I am going to respect those wishes.
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    • Profile picture of the author rchudej1
      Originally Posted by Nucreature777 View Post

      I was asked if I have perpetual traffic the answer is yes. I have several sites up at #1 on Google, Yahoo and Bing and many other more competitive keywords indexed in the top 5 on the first page. Also the comment about the RSS mashing, I think Ryan's trick is a bit different he shows you how to get 250,000+ backlinks using RSS feeds and RSS Mashing, however on the video he specifically asked for the students not to reveal this trick or teach it and I am going to respect those wishes.
      The RSS Mashing and the likes has been taught by many for so long. It's not a secret. In fact, there is never a secret, there are just things that you don't know about yet.
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    • Profile picture of the author kenwarrior
      Originally Posted by Nucreature777 View Post

      I was asked if I have perpetual traffic the answer is yes. I have several sites up at #1 on Google, Yahoo and Bing and many other more competitive keywords indexed in the top 5 on the first page. Also the comment about the RSS mashing, I think Ryan's trick is a bit different he shows you how to get 250,000+ backlinks using RSS feeds and RSS Mashing, however on the video he specifically asked for the students not to reveal this trick or teach it and I am going to respect those wishes.

      how much traffic you got, give some stats, I've got perpetual traffic to WP blogs that don't even have any content on them, it's not a big deal unless the traffic is significant!
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