Question From a 65 Year Old Man Who Failed Affiliate Marketing 8 Years Ago and Trying Once Again

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Good morning everyone, I need to make a decision and need your input, your feedback on a very important question that I have. 10 years ago I tried my hand at affiliate marketing and failed at affiliate marketing.

I never lost the desire, interest in internet marketing and making money online from home, using the Affiliate Marketing Business Model selling digital information products.


Question:
I am trying to make a decision on the following

I have 2 choices on how to proceed this time around with affiliate marketing

1) I pick a program that the person does everything for you, picks the affiliate product, setup a complete sales funnel, creates the landing page, writes the sales copy sets up the emails and drives traffic to the affiliate product based on what size email list I wish to build, and some limited coaching on what to do next as they are building my list.

What are the pros and cons of selecting this option ?

And maybe what would you do if you were faced with this option as well to use a done for you service with building your list

" What bothers me with option #1, is that my thinking tells me ....is that I am not getting the experience of doing this on my own, making my own mistakes and testing to see what works and does not work and I do not like this " but still have to make the best choice and not let EGO get in my way or making a poor decision ;>(

2) My next choice is that I choose to do all of this on my own, I follow the the training, assignments, instructions of an affiliate marketing course and do every thing on my own.

Little about me, Although a grandpa of 65 years old, quite comfortable with the internet, technology, online tools, affiliate marketing concepts, so this will not be a problem for me getting through the all the technical stuff I will be faced with once I start to implement all that will be needed to start doing affiliate marketing.

What do you see as the pros and cons of this option if I were to go with this, what would you do if you were faced with these 2 choices

Thank you to everyone who helps me out with your feedback and input !!!

Edwin
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    If they do everything for you but the marketing, you pay them money but you gain a lot of time.


    The cons of option 1: you need to do the marketing.
    The cons of option 2: you need to do the marketing and you need to learn how to create everything and make it work.


    If you have the money to pay someone to make you a website that actually converts and set up your autoresponder and do your onpage SEO, you gain a lot of time.


    Trick is, you need to pick someone who can do that... There are many who can create a site that work... not so many who know how to create one that converts well.


    As to your objection (I don't get to learn on my own, make mistakes), you do not need to know how to do everything.


    Most people in this world can drive a car yet cannot tell you how to make a tire let alone build the whole car.


    You need to know what pieces you need, what they do in the system. Then you can play to improve conversions and traffic growth.


    Were I to start at the beginning and had the money to pay other people to build the site, create a logo, set up autorsponder, etc., I'd do it.


    Doing all by yourself is expensive, moreso than hiring others.


    Not in dollars out but in time and lack of dollars in.


    Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

    Good morning everyone, I need to make a decision and need your input, your feedback on a very important question that I have. 10 years ago I tried my hand at affiliate marketing and failed at affiliate marketing.

    I never lost the desire, interest in internet marketing and making money online from home, using the Affiliate Marketing Business Model selling digital information products.


    Question:
    I am trying to make a decision on the following

    I have 2 choices on how to proceed this time around with affiliate marketing

    1) I pick a program that the person does everything for you, picks the affiliate product, setup a complete sales funnel, creates the landing page, writes the sales copy sets up the emails and drives traffic to the affiliate product based on what size email list I wish to build, and some limited coaching on what to do next as they are building my list.

    What are the pros and cons of selecting this option ?

    And maybe what would you do if you were faced with this option as well to use a done for you service with building your list

    " What bothers me with option #1, is that my thinking tells me ....is that I am not getting the experience of doing this on my own, making my own mistakes and testing to see what works and does not work and I do not like this " but still have to make the best choice and not let EGO get in my way or making a poor decision ;>(

    2) My next choice is that I choose to do all of this on my own, I follow the the training, assignments, instructions of an affiliate marketing course and do every thing on my own.

    Little about me, Although a grandpa of 65 years old, quite comfortable with the internet, technology, online tools, affiliate marketing concepts, so this will not be a problem for me getting through the all the technical stuff I will be faced with once I start to implement all that will be needed to start doing affiliate marketing.

    What do you see as the pros and cons of this option if I were to go with this, what would you do if you were faced with these 2 choices

    Thank you to everyone who helps me out with your feedback and input !!!

    Edwin
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Thanks DABK... u gave me some serious food for thought I better take a better look at have confusion on one of your advices u gave me as follows below

      *** confused below with Not in dollars out but in time...confused with -->> " and lack of dollars in " **
      Doing all by yourself is expensive, moreso than hiring others.

      Not in dollars out but in time and lack of dollars in.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        There's a thing called opportunity costs.

        While you're learning new things and implementing them, you will not be able to do other things that you're already good at, that make you money.

        I'll give you an example with plumbing.

        Most adults can learn how to change a faucet or stop a leak.

        All good plumbers know how to do it and do it fast.

        In my area, a plumber charges $120 to do that.

        Takes them less than an hour if I already have the new faucet, an hour if they have to go buy it and install it.

        Let's say that a marketer charges $75/hour for a consultation.

        Same marketer needs to spend 10 minutes to locate and view a good video about installing the faucet.

        Then they must spend 30 minutes to go to Home Depot and buy the long wrench that reaches nuts in the narrow space between the 2 sinks in their kitchen.

        So, now, they're 40 minutes in and spent $20 on a wrench they're not likely to use again in years, if ever.

        The it takes them twice as long as the plumber to do the job, some 60 minutes.

        So, now they're in 1 hour and 40 minutes and $20 spent on a tool they would not have to buy if they had hired a plumber.

        Plumber-installed faucet costs: $120.

        Marketer-installed faucet costs: 1.66 hours x $100/hour + cost of tool = $166.

        Now, if the marketer is going to install faucets often enough, it's an investment... if they end up doing it as fast as the plumber. Otherwise, 1 they wasted $46 (166-120).

        Some of the things you need to be successful as a marketer you should know well, some you might need to learn because you do not have the cash to hire someone, some you should never know.

        So, you could know who to hire to do SEO or you can learn how to do SEO for yourself.

        The first option is faster (and, though you do pay for it, it could also be more profitable overall).

        If you cannot pay for it, you learn and take your time to rank and start making money.

        So, whenever possible automate and hire experts.

        My opinion.


        Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

        Thanks DABK... u gave me some serious food for thought I better take a better look at have confusion on one of your advices u gave me as follows below

        *** confused below with Not in dollars out but in time...confused with -->> " and lack of dollars in " **
        Doing all by yourself is expensive, moreso than hiring others.

        Not in dollars out but in time and lack of dollars in.
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          So, you could know who to hire to do SEO or you can learn how to do SEO for yourself.


          The first option is faster (and, though you do pay for it, it could also be more profitable overall).


          If you cannot pay for it, you learn and take your time to rank and start making money.


          So, whenever possible automate and hire experts.


          My opinion.

          I hope this helps.

          The few of us here that are already players in the marketing game (that includes you) hire out things like technical help. In fact, we prefer that, even when we can do it ourselves, because we don't want to take the time.

          But that's from an employer-like positioning. We are hiring technical help because our time is worth more than what we pay them. And sometimes technology can do the work, so we buy the service (or software).

          And, SEO being a good example, some skills can be separate from the actual marketing (website building is another example. So is buying and testing PPC ads).

          But the original poster isn't asking as a player wanting to save his time. He's asking as a beginner that wants it done for him before he starts doing it himself.

          In other words, he's a customer.

          Edwin; I mean no disrespect. But if you hire someone to build a list, what you are going to get is a large number of e-mail addresses that aren't buyers.

          A valuable list is made up of people who have bought from you...given you money.

          There is a whole world of difference between 1,000 e-mail addresses that have opted in to get e-mails from you...and 1,000 people who have already trusted you enough to buy from you, and are used to giving you money. Every name of a buyer (who bought from you) is worth hundreds of names of random list subscribers that haven't bought anything from you.

          That list? You have to build yourself. And it starts by selling them something.

          And again, has anyone here ever paid someone to build their business for them, at the beginning, and then made money? Just one example?

          No. We did the grunt work ourselves, and then...after we made money and got some customers, we hired out some of the chores.


          I'm trying to save Edwin some heartache and regret.

          And don't spend money on courses. Youtube is full of successful internet marketers that are perfectly willing to spill all their techniques and strategies for free.

          The people who suggest that you get a mentor...and that you pay them....are not offering advice, they are pitching.
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            I understand he's asking as a beginner. I do not suggest he hires out everything. I suggest he does not try to learn everything.


            Even as a beginner, there are things you can hire someone else to do... because they do not help you.


            Using list building: You can learn how to integrate aweber into your site, or hire someone to do it for you.


            You would need to learn the part about content, which subject line works best, etc., but you can skip connecting aweber to you site.



            I've heard of many people getting lost, even giving up, because things like that were taking up too much of their time.


            Same with setting up a wordpress site... You can hire someone to set up your page templates and the css. Install your plugins. Even if you're a beginner at marketing.


            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            I hope this helps.

            The few of us here that are already players in the marketing game (that includes you) hire out things like technical help. In fact, we prefer that, even when we can do it ourselves, because we don't want to take the time.

            But that's from an employer-like positioning. We are hiring technical help because our time is worth more than what we pay them. And sometimes technology can do the work, so we buy the service (or software).

            And, SEO being a good example, some skills can be separate from the actual marketing (website building is another example. So is buying and testing PPC ads).

            But the original poster isn't asking as a player wanting to save his time. He's asking as a beginner that wants it done for him before he starts doing it himself.

            In other words, he's a customer.

            Edwin; I mean no disrespect. But if you hire someone to build a list, what you are going to get is a large number of e-mail addresses that aren't buyers.

            A valuable list is made up of people who have bought from you...given you money.

            There is a whole world of difference between 1,000 e-mail addresses that have opted in to get e-mails from you...and 1,000 people who have already trusted you enough to buy from you, and are used to giving you money. Every name of a buyer (who bought from you) is worth hundreds of names of random list subscribers that haven't bought anything from you.

            That list? You have to build yourself. And it starts by selling them something.

            And again, has anyone here ever paid someone to build their business for them, at the beginning, and then made money? Just one example?

            No. We did the grunt work ourselves, and then...after we made money and got some customers, we hired out some of the chores.


            I'm trying to save Edwin some heartache and regret.

            And don't spend money on courses. Youtube is full of successful internet marketers that are perfectly willing to spill all their techniques and strategies for free.

            The people who suggest that you get a mentor...and that you pay them....are not offering advice, they are pitching.
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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by DABK View Post

              I understand he's asking as a beginner. I do not suggest he hires out everything. I suggest he does not try to learn everything.


              Even as a beginner, there are things you can hire someone else to do... because they do not help you.


              Using list building: You can learn how to integrate aweber into your site, or hire someone to do it for you.


              You would need to learn the part about content, which subject line works best, etc., but you can skip connecting aweber to you site.



              I've heard of many people getting lost, even giving up, because things like that were taking up too much of their time.


              Same with setting up a wordpress site... You can hire someone to set up your page templates and the css. Install your plugins. Even if you're a beginner at marketing.
              of course, all of those things can be farmed out. Personally, I never did any of that myself.

              But the actual writing? The copy? Creating the offer? Marketing the offer to draw in buyers? That needs to be learned. How to market is the real business. I know you know that.
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              • Profile picture of the author DABK
                Looks like we are in agreement, just speaking two different languages.


                Thanks,



                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                of course, all of those things can be farmed out. Personally, I never did any of that myself.

                But the actual writing? The copy? Creating the offer? Marketing the offer to draw in buyers? That needs to be learned. How to market is the real business. I know you know that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    You need to know what pieces you need, what they do in the system. Then you can play to improve conversions and traffic growth

    You need to know enough to know WHO and HOW to hire people to do some of the work for you....


    WHY did you fail at affiliate marketing 10 years ago? Lack of money or lack of effort or what? It's important for YOU to look clearly at that period and have a grasp of what went wrong....or what didn't go right. To learn from your mistakes (or avoid making them again) you need to know what the mistakes were.
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      You need to know enough to know WHO and HOW to hire people to do some of the work for you....


      WHY did you fail at affiliate marketing 10 years ago? Lack of money or lack of effort or what? It's important for YOU to look clearly at that period and have a grasp of what went wrong....or what didn't go right. To learn from your mistakes (or avoid making them again) you need to know what the mistakes were.
      Thanks Kay King

      ANSWER
      I failed because of different factors as follows
      > lack of money
      > information overload knew alot but yet unable to put puzzle together
      > no money to hire a coach to help put the puzzle pieces together did not have a coach to guide me
      > I picked the product 1st and did not know who could provide me the traffic with my target audience
      > I was on social security disability and the fear of losing my benefits was a big factor in me stopping all together ...if i could do it all over again or anyone on social security who is scared of losing their benefits consider the following advice ............i would have bought traffic till i got up the maximum earnings I could earn outside of my SSD benefits built up a seo optimized blog with lots of articles that ranked for keywords of my choice i wanted to rank for , a following on facebook of my target audience and then when i got of SSD monetized all of SEO WORK and SOCIAL MEDIA FANS
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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

        Thanks Kay King

        ANSWER
        I failed because of different factors as follows
        > lack of money
        > information overload knew alot but yet unable to put puzzle together
        > no money to hire a coach to help put the puzzle pieces together did not have a coach to guide me
        > I picked the product 1st and did not know who could provide me the traffic with my target audience
        > I was on social security disability and the fear of losing my benefits was a big factor in me stopping all together ...

        if i could do it all over again

        or anyone on social security who is scared of losing their benefits consider the following advice ...........

        .i would have bought traffic till i got up the maximum earnings I could earn outside of my SSD benefits

        built up a seo optimized blog with lots of articles that ranked for keywords of my choice i wanted to rank for

        , a following on facebook of my target au dience

        and then when i got of SSD monetized all of SEO WORK and SOCIAL MEDIA FANS
        So, this is your advice to others, and what you think you should have done...which number 1 or 2 will be most likely to complete this PLAN for you today? Seems you know what you would have done 10 years ago, what reason is there for not doing that today?

        GordonJ
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        • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
          Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

          So, this is your advice to others, and what you think you should have done...which number 1 or 2 will be most likely to complete this PLAN for you today? Seems you know what you would have done 10 years ago, what reason is there for not doing that today?

          GordonJ
          Hi Gordon...thanks so much for making me think things out, I agree with your advice, it is best for me go with the done4you service if they can actually get me results i am better off because what I really need is to replace my job which is unhealthy and dangerous with covid 19 and unsafe
          with guys who want to hurt me for my money ;>)

          so i drive a cab in NYC at my age because I have too bottom line and if take your advice this is the best option #1 if the person i use can help me actually build me a list that will start earning me income much sooner than later use this income as you said to reinvest and grow further and still study, and learn and create my own campaign where i do all it on my own to get my hands dirty make the mistakes i need to make in order to learn and grow in this field

          So depends on what I find out and what I get for my investment on this list building service will determine whether to go for #1 done4u or #2 DIY thank u so much for helping me think clearer you hit it on the nail Gordon, why waste time if one can handle to budget to have someone do it for you that knows what they are doing period ...you are right period thanks Edwin
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
            Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

            Hi Gordon...thanks so much for making me think things out, I agree with your advice, it is best for me go with the done4you service if they can actually get me results i am better off because what I really need is to replace my job which is unhealthy and dangerous with covid 19 and unsafe
            with guys who want to hurt me for my money ;>)
            Very few done4you services can guarantee results because the service is ultimately limited to your actions. The service may be something that requires that you as an individual select the niche, product and all sorts of marketing aspects that you are able to grow limited to your knowledge and skill set.

            Example: Two of most important aspects will eventually come down to Traffic and Conversions. These two aspects of your online business will break you or make you.

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            Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

            so i drive a cab in NYC at my age because I have too bottom line and if take your advice this is the best option #1 if the person i use can help me actually build me a list that will start earning me income much sooner than later use this income as you said to reinvest and grow further and still study, and learn and create my own campaign where i do all it on my own to get my hands dirty make the mistakes i need to make in order to learn and grow in this field
            You are a cab driver, so you can download Mick's videos and listen to them while you drive your cab.
            Again: Not affiliated.
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            Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

            So depends on what I find out and what I get for my investment on this list building service will determine whether to go for #1 done4u or #2 DIY thank u so much for helping me think clearer you hit it on the nail Gordon, why waste time if one can handle to budget to have someone do it for you that knows what they are doing period ...you are right period thanks Edwin
            If you need an autoresponder to build a list get one of the best. Here is one of the best and it is free with a limitation to the number of subscribers, however it is great for starting with a low budget and you can easily upgrade as you move forward:
            Not affiliated.

            Aweber is now offering a free email autoresponder

            Tip: Starting a website of your own and want to do it right:
            Affiliate Marketing for Beginners 2020
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          • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
            Hi onpointinfo.

            Sounds to me that you like many People are looking for a "strategy" or "road map" or "guidance" ... Something you can follow to build a profitable Online Business and reach financial security.

            As an Online Community we should be able to find you that kind of product/training. There must be something that People like you can follow to create a profitable Website/Business.
            (If not there's a massive opportunity for someone.)

            C'mon People let's help oppointinfo by sharing the information/ebooks/products/courses that will make him successful.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              Hi onpointinfo.

              Sounds to me that you like many People are looking for a "strategy" or "road map" or "guidance" ... Something you can follow to build a profitable Online Business and reach financial security.

              As on Online Community we should be able to find you that kind of product/training. There must be something that People like you can follow to create a profitable Website/Business.
              (If not there's a massive opportunity for someone.)

              C'mon People let's help oppointinfo by sharing the information/ebooks/products/courses that will make him successful.
              Many here have done exactly that - I did - what about you?
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              • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

                Many here have done exactly that - I did - what about you?
                How can that help OP??

                [Edit] Sorry Jeffery I read your post again and there was some great advice there. All the best. [/Edit]
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          • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
            Hey Gordon... what questions would you ask to the person who you are thinking of hiring to do the list building for you setting up of landing page, autoresponder, sales copy for landing page, if you found someone you trust and you know they know what they are doing, what would you want to know before you pull the trigger and take action with their service

            Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

            Hi Gordon...thanks so much for making me think things out, I agree with your advice, it is best for me go with the done4you service if they can actually get me results i am better off because what I really need is to replace my job which is unhealthy and dangerous with covid 19 and unsafe
            with guys who want to hurt me for my money ;>)

            so i drive a cab in NYC at my age because I have too bottom line and if take your advice this is the best option #1 if the person i use can help me actually build me a list that will start earning me income much sooner than later use this income as you said to reinvest and grow further and still study, and learn and create my own campaign where i do all it on my own to get my hands dirty make the mistakes i need to make in order to learn and grow in this field

            So depends on what I find out and what I get for my investment on this list building service will determine whether to go for #1 done4u or #2 DIY thank u so much for helping me think clearer you hit it on the nail Gordon, why waste time if one can handle to budget to have someone do it for you that knows what they are doing period ...you are right period thanks Edwin
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

              Hey Gordon... what questions would you ask to the person who you are thinking of hiring to do the list building for you setting up of landing page, autoresponder, sales copy for landing page, if you found someone you trust and you know they know what they are doing, what would you want to know before you pull the trigger and take action with their service
              Where is the traffic coming from for the landing page?

              Why? Are they tested and proven BUYERS? What else have they bought of a similar nature? What is it going to cost to get them here (to the landing page)?

              Give me 100 buyers over 1,000 lookers and I'll make income, You don't need tons of people, but you will need those who actually have an interest in your thing, whatever that is.

              GordonJ

              PS. If I knew where the buyers were coming from, everything else would be dirt simple.
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              • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                Where is the traffic coming from for the landing page?

                Why? Are they tested and proven BUYERS? What else have they bought of a similar nature? What is it going to cost to get them here (to the landing page)?

                Give me 100 buyers over 1,000 lookers and I'll make income, You don't need tons of people, but you will need those who actually have an interest in your thing, whatever that is.

                GordonJ

                PS. If I knew where the buyers were coming from, everything else would be dirt simple.
                Hey Gordon will use these questions to try and determine if it is worth it or not I still agree with you though as far as paying someone to do it then reinvesting later with the profits and still study and learn while I am earning now,,, It just makes perfect sense if given the choice to pay and hire others to do it as long as it is the right person you hire that is key otherwise the only person that will make money is not me but the other person ,,,, but it is all a gamble either way if I do it on my own, i can waste and lose a lot of money too trying to figure it out on my own so either way I am gambling it just depends if all the right pieces are in place if I am going to pay someone to do it thanks Edwin
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  • Profile picture of the author ZakJ
    You're 65.

    Affiliate marketing is absolutely f****g brutal at the best of times.

    This would be the last thing on earth I'd do at your age.

    If you failed 10 years ago, you won't do it now.

    10 Years ago was the "hey day", the Wild west.

    I mean ffs...

    Back then if you consistently posted 1 article per day to Ezine Articles pointed at some bag of S*** Clickbank product, you'd still bank $3K a month.

    I'm talking back in the day when you could run facebook Ads for $5 bucks a day directly to an email submit CPA offer and bank.

    You could rank on Google using nothing but GSA and bunch of Linkwheels on fiverr.

    IT WAS EASY.

    Today, being bluntly honest, it's a tough gig.

    I'm an affiliate in the bodybuilding market and it's brutal..I mean proper BRUTAL.

    HOWEVER, I'm half your age.

    It's much harder now than it ever was 10 years ago.

    If I knew back then what I know NOW, I'd be a millionaire several times over...easily.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

    I have 2 choices on how to proceed this time around with affiliate marketing
    Why just two? There are many ways to earn as an affiliate. Like any marketing, it comes down to attracting enough targeted traffic. You begin with finding an existing market and a method of getting those prospects in front of your offer.

    From what you describe, option 1 is actually a business model for the service provider in which you're the customer. In those situations, it's usually only one party who ends up making money.

    Option 2 depends on what you bring to the table. Like Kay says, we don't know why you failed before, so we can't advise you on that. But you still mention following a course, so it sounds like you don't have much confidence in what you've learned up to now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

    1) I pick a program that the person does everything for you, picks the affiliate product, setup a complete sales funnel, creates the landing page, writes the sales copy sets up the emails and drives traffic to the affiliate product based on what size email list I wish to build, and some limited coaching on what to do next as they are building my list.
    Have you ever seen anyone on the Warrior Forum that talks about how they went this route, and made money? Neither have I. Why? Because if you go this route, you aren't the marketer, you're the buyer.


    Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

    2) My next choice is that I choose to do all of this on my own, I follow the the training, assignments, instructions of an affiliate marketing course and do every thing on my own.

    Little about me, Although a grandpa of 65 years old, quite comfortable with the internet, technology, online tools, affiliate marketing concepts, so this will not be a problem for me getting through the all the technical stuff I will be faced with once I start to implement all that will be needed to start doing affiliate marketing.
    This is the only way I've ever heard of anyone being successful with internet marketing.

    Why affiliate marketing? Will you be choosing something that interests you, or just has a good commission? Are there payouts beyond the first sale?

    Are you just going to build a website? How are you going to find the people that will be likely to buy your offer? Are you going to use videos to market? Are you going to have a blog? Are you going to use PPC ads?

    My advice, if you are going to sell an affiliate product....

    Find a group that is easily reached, that already buys something.

    Find a way to reach that group, maybe multiple ways.

    THEN find the products and services to offer them.

    And then pick offers that are natural upsells to the fist offer, for the same buyer. This is where all the money is made.

    One sure way I know to waste money is to;
    Pick a product. Just one.
    Build a website.
    Then try to get random people to go to your site, hoping they will buy.

    By the way, it's good that you know the technical stuff. I sure don't. But any of that can be hired out. The marketing is the business, not the technology.


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    I tried, honest to God I did.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

    Good morning everyone, I need to make a decision and need your input, your feedback on a very important question that I have. 10 years ago I tried my hand at affiliate marketing and failed at affiliate marketing.

    I never lost the desire, interest in internet marketing and making money online from home, using the Affiliate Marketing Business Model selling digital information products.


    Question:
    I am trying to make a decision on the following

    I have 2 choices on how to proceed this time around with affiliate marketing

    1) I pick a program that the person does everything for you, picks the affiliate product, setup a complete sales funnel, creates the landing page, writes the sales copy sets up the emails and drives traffic to the affiliate product based on what size email list I wish to build, and some limited coaching on what to do next as they are building my list.

    What are the pros and cons of selecting this option ?

    And maybe what would you do if you were faced with this option as well to use a done for you service with building your list

    " What bothers me with option #1, is that my thinking tells me ....is that I am not getting the experience of doing this on my own, making my own mistakes and testing to see what works and does not work and I do not like this " but still have to make the best choice and not let EGO get in my way or making a poor decision ;>(

    2) My next choice is that I choose to do all of this on my own, I follow the the training, assignments, instructions of an affiliate marketing course and do every thing on my own.

    Little about me, Although a grandpa of 65 years old, quite comfortable with the internet, technology, online tools, affiliate marketing concepts, so this will not be a problem for me getting through the all the technical stuff I will be faced with once I start to implement all that will be needed to start doing affiliate marketing.

    What do you see as the pros and cons of this option if I were to go with this, what would you do if you were faced with these 2 choices

    Thank you to everyone who helps me out with your feedback and input !!!

    Edwin
    First, we have limited info about why you failed, so all advice is the best we have with not knowing more, fair enough?

    Second, as Frank D. points out, you have more than an either/or choice, even in affiliate marketing, which I think at your age is probably the wrong approach.

    Are you frustrated with your efforts to make money online? And why do you think selling digital products (information) is right for you? As someone who has sold digital information for almost 33 years now, with limited involvement in affiliate programs, I have to wonder why you would choose this again, if you failed at it already?

    Some say the hey day of IM is over, but fact is, information is always going to be bought and sold, and you can either CREATE or ACQUIRE it. You are choosing the acquisition route. You could think of this as a sort or type or arbitrage, or as a middleman, you standing between the creator/mfgr and the end user.

    This adds an extra layer to the transaction.

    You've heard all the nuggets before, you need BUYERS, or targeted traffic, and once you have eyeballs, you need to convert them to buyers.

    So, it makes sense that if you choose an information product to sell, you have asked the question, who is buying this kind of info?

    Where will you find those people who would be most interested in this information? How do you meet (or intersect) with them, and what do you say or how do you offer this information to them to buy?

    An old golf story, the golfer went fishing and attached a golf ball to the hook. He didn't catch anything. His friend, the fisherman went to the golf course and took his rod and reel. Pretty silly on both parts, eh?

    But that is akin to what you have experienced, you had a golf ball on your hook 10 years ago, otherwise you would have succeeded. So I have to get very basic for you and for any FRUSTRATED Warrior who has been at it for a while and doesn't have the results they thought they would be getting. WHY?

    Honestly, almost ALL failure comes down to doing the thing that doesn't work, or maybe worked for one person who did it at the right time (it was a fluke) and just got lucky. You'll find many of these types of IM courses and HOW TO, look no further than the WSO section.

    And there are fast tracks, shortcuts, ways to expedite results. The first is with money.

    Not always, especially at upper levels where we talk of millions of dollars, but for the small guy who wants to work out of his home and make a full time income, of say 100 thousand dollars a year...one of the fastest shortcuts

    is to spend money and have the mundane tasks done for you. So, if your pockets allow, by all means, at your age, expedite it.

    The problem for most, the catch ... for most...is they don't have the money to throw at the problem. They need to make the money.

    So, that fast track is out for most people. Another one is to leverage other people; their skills, talents, even lists of buyers. Pretty simple thing, to create or acquire information that someone's list might buy...and there is the fastest track to affiliate marketing.

    Find a successful Affiliate Marketer, create or acquire info for his/her list and offer a joint venture. It is pretty much the de facto MO for WarriorPlus, JVZoo, etc. It is also the default of Launch gurus. Launch a product for 2k, give half to those with lists and they promote for you...so that is also a way to expedite or fast track your income.

    The biggest mistake, and maybe it was one you made 10 years ago, is finding the THING to sell, rather than finding the BUYER first.

    Any given day here at the WF we'll see people getting into affiliate marketing and they spend tons of time, energy, even money trying to promote, trying to presell, trying to warm up, trying to find someone to sell their thing to...

    But if you want to fast track your next venture, whatever it is, affiliate or blogs, or podcasts, or YouTube or whatever...start at the end of the transaction..

    WHO is going to pay you for it?
    WHERE are they now and how do you communicate with them, WHEN AND HOW?

    What do you bring to their tables? It is like sweet Aunt Dorothy who always bought a big can of peas to Thanksgiving dinner, and when all was said and done, I sent her home with a container of leftovers, and a lot of peas.

    See, what is it, of VALUE, do you bring to the Internet? Start with that, with knowing who you are, what you want and why, then making a plan which best suits you and matches your skills and strengths, and honestly, it doesn't sound like affiliate marketing is a good suit for you to put on again, but I could be wrong.

    As to advice, go with #1, let THEM do it all for you, concentrate on reinvesting even the smallest profits into creating or acquiring info people pay for.

    GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
    A common misconception is: "The past=the future."

    Sometimes People will say that just a because you didn't succeed before, you won't succeed again.

    Many of the most famous and accomplished Entrepreneurs didn't succeed until after many years of trying and several "failures". Sometimes it's just part of the "game". I honestly think that if anyone is determined enough they can make a good income with "Internet Marketing".

    It's been said probably over a hundred times however ... You have to choose something that really interests you -- something that your passionate about.
    Why? Because that's what will keep you going through the "tough" times to reach your goal(s) and ultimately will bring you more satisfaction.

    Following Claude and Gordon's advice ― most of the time -- you have to find a Market first before creating a Product. And that's great because you can create or provide something that really connects with them and helps them.

    HTH.
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  • Profile picture of the author Medon
    I recomment option 2. It may cost you an arm and aleg in terms of time and money to go for training but it is the best thing to do. If you will be trained by a professional, it will help you understand what you will be doing. And again, it will allow to see your mistake as you grow.
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  • Profile picture of the author David McGimpsey
    You should pay attention to Claude's response. He is on the money. I strongly advise against option 1.

    Check out this thread (nothing to buy or sign up for) where I outline a simple process to make money with affiliate marketing:

    https://www.warriorforum.com/main-in...g-success.html

    Cheers,
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    1) Get a solution to a problem

    2) Align with an offer

    3) Show offer to those that need it.

    You can reverse engineer a what already works. Think of some marketers that
    you look up to. Take note of the funnel/process. No need to re-invent the wheel.
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  • Profile picture of the author rajubhaiya
    Why affiliate marketing? Will you be choosing something that interests you, or just has a good commission? Are there payouts beyond the first sale?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    "Come on people"? Feel free to post the info/product/training etc that led YOU to financial success.

    You are reinforcing the newbie idea that 'someone somewhere' can tell them 'how to' make money and that's all they need. The 'rah rah' stuff doesn't work for someone who doesn't know where to start....ends up being 'rah rah splat'.


    For the OP I suggest reading the 3 threads below - to get an idea of how much WORK goes into creating profit online.

    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...24-months.html

    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...m-nothing.html

    The first link above is something almost anyone can do if they do the work.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      "Come on people"? Feel free to post the info/product/training etc that led YOU to financial success
      Well I was tempted to share information/knowledge from my Silent Mentor Eben Pagan ... However it may not be a good match for OP. Even so I'll post some of it:

      https://ebenpagantraining.com/courses/

      HTH
      P.S. Those that know more to help OP/onpointinfo please contribute.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nett Preneur
    If you want to walk fast, you walk alone, and if you want to go FAR, you need a mentor. You need both choices, they are intertwined. Learn what you can on your own, and seek a mentor, someone who's done it all to put you through what you don't know.
    No man is an island, and learning is a continuous process. Goodluck....
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  • Profile picture of the author MarieAnt3174
    I honestly would not try it again. There are several reasons. First, it seems to me that you have to first really understand all the ins and outs, all the little intricate details of why you failed before taking it up again. Otherwise, it is simply not a wise decision. Second, affiliate marketing may work for some people but would not work for others. Perhaps it was not the right business model for you. Perhaps it does not match your skills set. One other thing to know about affiliate marketing, is that you are essentially doing a lot of heavy lifting in order to sell someone's products.

    Now, if you have a really great system that you can Leverage and scale, then it would turn out a highly profitable business. At the point, you would not really care about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales that you are generating for someone else. The bottom line is that in order to be successful in affiliate marketing, you need to really have a strong system and highly effective tools to really leverage the business and scale it, otherwise it won't work.

    Hope this helps.
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Originally Posted by MarieAnt3174 View Post

      I honestly would not try it again. There are several reasons. First, it seems to me that you have to first really understand all the ins and outs, all the little intricate details of why you failed before taking it up again. Otherwise, it is simply not a wise decision. Second, affiliate marketing may work for some people but would not work for others. Perhaps it was not the right business model for you. Perhaps it does not match your skills set. One other thing to know about affiliate marketing, is that you are essentially doing a lot of heavy lifting in order to sell someone's products.

      Now, if you have a really great system that you can Leverage and scale, then it would turn out a highly profitable business. At the point, you would not really care about the hundreds of thousands of dollars in sales that you are generating for someone else. The bottom line is that in order to be successful in affiliate marketing, you need to really have a strong system and highly effective tools to really leverage the business and scale it, otherwise it won't work.

      Hope this helps.
      Marie thank you for your feedback and I welcome all feedback since we need to stay open to all feedback but I am trying again because I am built this way, LOVE ONLINE MARKETING and not afraid to fail again .... ;>)
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  • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
    From what I read I guess I can add another thought here.


    In my opinion there is nothing wrong in choosing option 1 and using a doneforyou service.
    However what nobody mentioned here, you need to be absolutely sure that this service is from someone you trust completely AND that you see other people already succeeding the same way. You need to see results!! Current results!!



    If you see testimonials of different people using this service and making money, for gods sake go for it and do it. When others can make money with it, you can do it too!


    This is what you should really look at when you make a decision. If you only have such an offer but not a lot of proof, simply don't waste your money and do it on your own with option 2.


    Apart from that I can also recommend to you to get clarity about how everything works and what you need to know and do in affiliate marketing in general. Never forget the mindset part, because if you get something wrong in your head you will fail no matter which option you choose.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

      From what I read I guess I can add another thought here.

      In my opinion there is nothing wrong in choosing option 1 and using a doneforyou service.
      Most people will not learn a thing simply because someone else did it all for you. When someone else does it for us (or you) we do not know how to do it all for our self.

      Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

      However what nobody mentioned here, you need to be absolutely sure that this service is from someone you trust completely AND that you see other people already succeeding the same way. You need to see results!! Current results!!
      Due Diligence!

      Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

      If you see testimonials of different people using this service and making money, for gods sake go for it and do it. When others can make money with it, you can do it too!

      This is what you should really look at when you make a decision. If you only have such an offer but not a lot of proof, simply don't waste your money and do it on your own with option 2.
      There are countless so-called coaches with fake testimonials and so-called partners in crime. Results on the never heard of before coach's website are usually fake. Never heard of coach has a forum for you/us to participate? That is where so-called partners in crime come in.

      Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

      Apart from that I can also recommend to you to get clarity about how everything works and what you need to know and do in affiliate marketing in general. Never forget the mindset part, because if you get something wrong in your head you will fail no matter which option you choose.
      Agreed. I also suggest to examine both free training and paid training to compare - in that both may offer exactly the same training.
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      • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

        There are countless so-called coaches with fake testimonials and so-called partners in crime. Results on the never heard of before coach's website are usually fake. Never heard of coach has a forum for you/us to participate? That is where so-called partners in crime come in.

        Yes of course you are right there is a lot of fake out there. I didn't mean to trust some random testimonials on sales pages etc.

        However for example when they have facebook groups and lots of different people post about their results every single day for a certain period of time people should start trusting instead of thinking it's all not real.

        If as a newbie someone is still not sure, just personally talk to those members and ask them what this is all about.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by Jeffery
          There are countless so-called coaches with fake testimonials and so-called partners in crime. Results on the never heard of before coach's website are usually fake. Never heard of coach has a forum for you/us to participate? That is where so-called partners in crime come in.
          Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

          Yes of course you are right there is a lot of fake out there. I didn't mean to trust some random testimonials on sales pages etc.

          However for example when they have facebook groups and lots of different people post about their results every single day for a certain period of time people should start trusting instead of thinking it's all not real.

          If as a newbie someone is still not sure, just personally talk to those members and ask them what this is all about.
          Who is to say the "lots of different people posting" are real marketers with real results and not a support group that created the courses, positive reviews, etc.? Newbies typically do not know the real marketers from the fake marketers.

          When anyone on any given day can freely join a Facebook group and post anything they want to post who is to say that the posts are real or fake?

          Due Diligence as I previously stated! There is a long thread in the Learn Forum that "was" endorsed by Freelancer's PAST Admin that was proven by Warrior Forum members to contain fake proof on social sites of just about everything and anything. The Original Poster has since been banned.

          Another one was recently banned here at the WF, BTW.

          Not saying that all social sites and forums are full of fake coaches because there are in fact many real coaches with real results, i.e. not fake at all. There are some coaches that participate in WF discussions and also have a link in their signatures just as there are some real coaches and mentors in the WSO section that do not participate in WF discussions with links in their WSOs. Due Diligence.. How? You almost never see a WF member complaining about their service or products here in the WF proper.
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        • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
          Originally Posted by TobiMDD View Post

          Yes of course you are right there is a lot of fake out there. I didn't mean to trust some random testimonials on sales pages etc.

          However for example when they have facebook groups and lots of different people post about their results every single day for a certain period of time people should start trusting instead of thinking it's all not real.

          If as a newbie someone is still not sure, just personally talk to those members and ask them what this is all about.
          Thanks for your feedback I followed your signature link can you share some feedback your experience with Dean Holland I have not ordered the playbook as of yet want some feedback 1st from you
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          • Profile picture of the author TobiMDD
            Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

            Who is to say the "lots of different people posting" are real marketers with real results and not a support group that created the courses, positive reviews, etc.? Newbies typically do not know the real marketers from the fake marketers.

            When anyone on any given day can freely join a Facebook group and post anything they want to post who is to say that the posts are real or fake?

            Due Diligence as I previously stated!
            Yes yes of course due dilligence - people need to use their common sense in order to differentiate real from fake.



            I personally had never such problems and I also never came across a group full of fakes. Maybe it's because there is also a high effort involved to fake things up haha.


            Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

            Thanks for your feedback I followed your signature link can you share some feedback your experience with Dean Holland I have not ordered the playbook as of yet want some feedback 1st from you

            Yes of course I can give you some feedback.
            I'm kinda 'working' with this guy for over a year now. What I really like about him is that he cares for your success. I see this especially in the training, coaching and support he and the company provides. To be honest most of what I'm talking about in this forum and what I post to help people I probably learned in some way or form from him.
            If you have more questions let me know
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  • Profile picture of the author 55sadhikar
    No 1 ) is a good approach. You don't really need to have all the skills. This whole internet marketing is like building a house. There are people who are good at what they do. The key is knowing where are these people and do they have skillsets for what i'm looking. If you do some research you should be able to find them. You find the marketers who can get the pieces together.... you are all good.
    Selling is matching needs of the people with right offers. That's it. I don't need to be a product owner/ e-mail marketing expert/or know how to build a squeeze page. The way I look at it is " you have a small brick and mortar business and you've hired few staff to get the systems running. All your energy should be to get more customers and make it profitable. Once you all the selling systems in place. Your job should be to master traffic because that's where all the money is. So; to recap- you don't need to know everything .
    But I do say , find a mentor who knows everything inside out and ask for guidance if and when needed.
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  • Profile picture of the author judybonacci
    Good afternoon,

    I am in your age group, and totally get what you are saying.

    I have been working online since 2009, never making any money to speak of. I maxed out several credit cards over the years joining this one and that one. All was not wasted because I learned what NOT TO DO.

    My big EPIPHANY came a couple of years ago when I found several mentors that had already reached the level of documented success I had been looking for.

    I basically started with no money whatsoever recommending OPP (Other People's Products) There are also tons of resources online where you can earn money as early as tonight while you are learning the "tricks of the trade", and the how too's from some of the top earners with documented proof of their income.

    I hope this helps. I would be happy to share any info that could help you.

    To Your Success!
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Originally Posted by judybonacci View Post

      Good afternoon,

      I am in your age group, and totally get what you are saying.

      I have been working online since 2009, never making any money to speak of. I maxed out several credit cards over the years joining this one and that one. All was not wasted because I learned what NOT TO DO.

      My big EPIPHANY came a couple of years ago when I found several mentors that had already reached the level of documented success I had been looking for.

      I basically started with no money whatsoever recommending OPP (Other People's Products) There are also tons of resources online where you can earn money as early as tonight while you are learning the "tricks of the trade", and the how too's from some of the top earners with documented proof of their income.

      I hope this helps. I would be happy to share any info that could help you.

      To Your Success!
      Thanks judybonacci .... all those credit cards you maxed out ... that was your journey that you had to go through just as I had to go through my own journey, what is important to NEVER GIVE UP...

      .. I do not feel bad at all about failing for what .....the more I fail the closer I am getting to reaching success as long as i am tenacious .... please share that info with me I will PM you now thank you Edwin
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

        Thanks judybonacci .... all those credit cards you maxed out ... that was your journey that you had to go through just as I had to go through my own journey, what is important to NEVER GIVE UP...
        I want to address that.

        This is mostly true. Anyone who makes real money in any kind of business...online or offline...makes enormously costly mistakes at the beginning. Even the first several years we all tend to jump from one miracle system/guru/business to another.

        I went through it for years. I think most of us do.

        The question is...what did we each learn after each failure? Did we get better? Did we try to analyze what we did wrong? Because if we didn't we are destined to be the "beginner" our whole life.

        One more point. After we hear about mistakes made, wrong decisions being made, requests for help....requests for advice....

        Those of us who have bled on the field of battle, who have suffered from the years of costly mistakes, the endless trials, false starts, speed bumps....and made it to the other side?

        We offer our ...tested and proven...insights. Why? To try to save the beginner the pain we went through ourselves.

        And almost every time, our advice is ignored.

        But in a way, that's good. If answers are just given freely, and advice (from a real expert) is followed. You'll get far better results, and far faster. But you don't learn the "Why" of it all.

        Wisdom and insights come from the struggle, not from the successes. That's a reason self made people, that build fortunes.....have their fortunes squandered away in a generation or two.

        No struggle. No insights. No wisdom.

        Anyway, I love hearing myself talk.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Anyway, I love hearing myself talk.
          Hearing voices again? That is not your voice that your hear! The voice you hear is a secret voice, but I'll give you a hint.. protruding browline.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          The question is...what did we each learn after each failure? Did we get better? Did we try to analyze what we did wrong? Because if we didn't we are destined to be the "beginner" our whole life.
          Hi Claude:
          : )

          That's why I suggested that OP (and actually People reading) choose something that really interests them -- something they're passionate about. In the past I thought of -- and tried -- many things ... Everything from a Diet Supplements Report ... To a Natural Cure for poison ivy ... And none of them worked. Why?

          Not because there wasn't a Market for those Products/Solutions ... It was because I wasn't enthusiastic enough to to keep going to make it happen.

          When a Person is doing something that really interests them .-- it makes a World of difference. : )

          Similarly in the past I was mostly motivated by making money. And -- while I don't think there's anything wrong with being (monetarily wealthy) ... A Person is more likely to succeed and experience more fulfilment and satisfaction by choosing something that they're passionate about.

          2C
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          • Profile picture of the author socialentry
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Hi Claude:
            : )

            That's why I suggested that OP (and actually People reading) choose something that really interests them -- something they're passionate about. In the past I thought of -- and tried -- many things ... Everything from a Diet Supplements Report ... To a Natural Cure for poison ivy ... And none of them worked. Why?

            Not because there wasn't a Market for those Products/Solutions ... It was because I wasn't enthusiastic enough to to keep going to make it happen.

            When a Person is doing something that really interests them .-- it makes a World of difference. : )

            Similarly in the past I was mostly motivated by making money. And -- while I don't think there's anything wrong with being (monetarily wealthy) ... A Person is more likely to succeed and experience more fulfilment and satisfaction by choosing something that they're passionate about.

            2C

            But what if your passion is underwater basket weaving?
            Or manufacturing rubber chickens with a pulley in the middle?



            And would your system actually work if nobody is passionate about waste disposal?
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          • Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Hi Claude:
            : )

            That's why I suggested that OP (and actually People reading) choose something that really interests them -- something they're passionate about.
            I want to address that.
            In certain instances, that's true. Could anyone really be a top singer, musician, artist, without being really interested in the craft? Probably not.

            But I know something. In business, it's important that you be interested in the marketing, the selling. Why? Because those are the things that generate a successful business.

            I sell vacuum cleaners. In my business, there are two types of vacuum cleaner retailers..

            1) The 90% that are really interested in vacuum cleaners, how they work, who is in charge of the companies, who supplies the parts, where are they made, the thickness of the cords...etc.

            Those people are never the ones making money. They are product centered. They think they are in the vacuum cleaner business. They think about vacuum cleaners all day long. They talk to other vacuum retailers about vacuum cleaners. At trade shows, they are talking about the vacuum cleaners....looking at vacuum cleaners.

            I avoid those conversation, because these people are never making any money above a working wage.

            2) The 10% who aren't in the vacuum cleaner business...they are in the marketing of vacuum cleaners business.. They think about building their business, advertising, marketing, and increasing sales. At trade shows they are always talking to the other 10% people who are interested in marketing and business. They know that Marketing and Selling are the real business...just like every business.

            Do you think I'm passionate about vacuum cleaners? Do you think I think about them at all outside my business? The first 20 years I sold vacuum cleaners, I didn't even know how a motor worked....but I knew how to sell. And all my study and effort went into learning how to better sell, market, and advertise my vacuum cleaners. that's the business I'm in. That's my "passion".



            The advice to "find something you love and do that" is excellent when you are looking for a hobby. But it is terrible advice when you are looking to succeed in a business.

            The reason people fail in businesses isn't because they lack passion. It because they lack the business knowledge and marketing know how.

            In my life, I've made lots of money selling life insurance, vacuum cleaners and local online internet services....none of which I thought about outside the time I was selling them.

            The one thing I've been "passionate" about is getting better at the marketing and selling. Why? Because that's what the definition of business is. Without marketing and selling, you just have a full warehouse full of things you are "passionate" about.

            And even artists have to sell their artwork, even musicians have to get booked for events. The business isn't music, it's promotion. We call it marketing.
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            • Profile picture of the author DABK
              Totally agree.


              It's a hard jump for many people, the jump from I'm in the business of selling wedding dresses to I'm in the business of creating a business that sells wedding dresses.


              I know a lot of people who own businesses. Some of them have owned their business for more than 2 decades and they make just a bit more each month than they would if they worked for someone else.


              Some make a lot more, but as soon as they go on a vacation, everything comes to a halt: they're the business.


              I know someone who's made the jump recently: 3 years into owning the business.


              Now, she's about finding ways to market, and far more interested than she used to be in cost of acquisition and the ideal client profile than she used to be.


              She went from: I can sell to anyone walking into my store... and I want everyone to come to... I don't want to see anyone whose budget is not at least 1,500. I only have floor samples with prices lower than that. Why would I spend money on attracting them? Why would I go through a whole appointment with someone who's not comfortable spending at least 1,500.


              So, changes in how she markets and who she sets up appointments with.



              I talked to her every couple of months or so over the past 3 years. It was a big struggle for her. An interesting to see, from my point of view.


              She's still refusing to accept that part of what she has to do is look at charts, figure out where are the conversion points that are weak, and improve them.


              Her argument, which she's making less often: I don't need to know how a car works, only how to drive one. Why do I need to know what all those lines in Google analytics mean? Why can't I just hire someone who gets me google leads and takes care of all those?



              She's still not making good money, but she has a chance... Now.





              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I want to address that.
              In certain instances, that's true. Could anyone really be a top singer, musician, artist, without being really interested in the craft? Probably not.

              But I know something. In business, it's important that you be interested in the marketing, the selling. Why? Because those are the things that generate a successful business.

              I sell vacuum cleaners. In my business, there are two types of vacuum cleaner retailers..

              1) The 90% that are really interested in vacuum cleaners, how they work, who is in charge of the companies, who supplies the parts, where are they made, the thickness of the cords...etc.

              Those people are never the ones making money. They are product centered. They think they are in the vacuum cleaner business. They think about vacuum cleaners all day long. They talk to other vacuum retailers about vacuum cleaners. At trade shows, they are talking about the vacuum cleaners....looking at vacuum cleaners.

              I avoid those conversation, because these people are never making any money above a working wage.

              2) The 10% who aren't in the vacuum cleaner business...they are in the marketing of vacuum cleaners business.. They think about building their business, advertising, marketing, and increasing sales. At trade shows they are always talking to the other 10% people who are interested in marketing and business. They know that Marketing and Selling are the real business...just like every business.

              Do you think I'm passionate about vacuum cleaners? Do you think I think about them at all outside my business? The first 20 years I sold vacuum cleaners, I didn't even know how a motor worked....but I knew how to sell. And all my study and effort went into learning how to better sell, market, and advertise my vacuum cleaners. that's the business I'm in. That's my "passion".



              The advice to "find something you love and do that" is excellent when you are looking for a hobby. But it is terrible advice when you are looking to succeed in a business.

              The reason people fail in businesses isn't because they lack passion. It because they lack the business knowledge and marketing know how.

              In my life, I've made lots of money selling life insurance, vacuum cleaners and local online internet services....none of which I thought about outside the time I was selling them.

              The one thing I've been "passionate" about is getting better at the marketing and selling. Why? Because that's what the definition of business is. Without marketing and selling, you just have a full warehouse full of things you are "passionate" about.

              And even artists have to sell their artwork, even musicians have to get booked for events. The business isn't music, it's promotion. We call it marketing.
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            • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
              Thanks Claude -- I appreciate your opinion/perspective.

              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I want to address that.
              In certain instances, that's true. Could anyone really be a top singer, musician, artist, without being really interested in the craft? Probably not.

              But I know something. In business, it's important that you be interested in the marketing, the selling. Why? Because those are the things that generate a successful business.
              Absolutely: I agree. However when a Person is passionate about the Business they're building -- and what they're bringing to the Market -- they will be more likely to be enthusiastic about the Selling and Marketing. That's my opinion, anyway.

              Were Steve Jobs and Apple just interested in Marketing and Selling?

              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              The advice to "find something you love and do that" is excellent when you are looking for a hobby. But it is terrible advice when you are looking to succeed in a business..
              Actually, I agree with that as well. There's a subtle distinction that has to be made: I said "Choose something, or choose to do something, that you're passionate about." I didn't say "Find something you love and do that." Because, like you said, it's not reliable advice for starting a Business.

              So what do I mean by a choosing something they're passionate about? Well for me it's the "reason why" I've chosen my Market. And that (in part according to my Mission Statement) is: "To empower and inspire as many People as humanly possible." That's what motivates me, keeps me working, and something I'm passionate about.

              I'm also interested in all the Marketing, Selling, and Advertising.
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              • Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post


                Absolutely: I agree. However when a Person is passionate about the Business they're building -- and what they're bringing to the Market -- they will be more likely to be enthusiastic about the Selling and Marketing. That's my opinion, anyway.

                Were Steve Jobs and Apple just interested in Marketing and Selling?

                That's a great example. But it is an exception. Steve Jobs was an obsessive genius. And most of his time was spent on the marketing and selling of the Apple brand, not working on computers. Steve Wozniak was the one that was passionate about technology. And if there were no Steve Jobs, Wozniak would be an employee working in the tech industry. (based on the little I know)

                The vast...vast majority of successful business owners are interested in the business, far more than the actual product/service.

                I mean no disrespect, but most of my friends are business owners that are wealthy (meaning they are in the top 10% of their fields). So I know what they think about. I know what part of their business is important to them.

                We all know at least one exception to every rule. But they are exceptions.

                In every industry, there is a top 10% that makes half the money. The other 90% shares the other half. The one difference between the 90% and the top 10% is that the top 10% concentrate on marketing and building their business....and I suppose that's their "passion".
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                • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
                  Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                  The vast...vast majority of successful business owners are interested in the business, far more than the actual product/service.

                  I mean no disrespect, but most of my friends are business owners that are wealthy (meaning they are in the top 10% of their fields). So I know what they think about. I know what part of their business is important to them. .
                  Personally I think a good balance between the two would be best. Depending on the Business and which stage it's at.
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            • Profile picture of the author discrat
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post


              Do you think I'm passionate about vacuum cleaners? Do you think I think about them at all outside my business? The first 20 years I sold vacuum cleaners, I didn't even know how a motor worked....but I knew how to sell. And all my study and effort went into learning how to better sell, market, and advertise my vacuum cleaners. that's the business I'm in. That's my "passion".



              The advice to "find something you love and do that" is excellent when you are looking for a hobby. But it is terrible advice when you are looking to succeed in a business.

              The reason people fail in businesses isn't because they lack passion. It because they lack the business knowledge and marketing know how.

              In my life, I've made lots of money selling life insurance, vacuum cleaners and local online internet services....none of which I thought about outside the time I was selling them.

              The one thing I've been "passionate" about is getting better at the marketing and selling. Why? Because that's what the definition of business is. Without marketing and selling, you just have a full warehouse full of things you are "passionate" about.

              And even artists have to sell their artwork, even musicians have to get booked for events. The business isn't music, it's promotion. We call it marketing.
              Couldn't have said it better myself
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            • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              I want to address that.
              In certain instances, that's true. Could anyone really be a top singer, musician, artist, without being really interested in the craft? Probably not.

              But I know something. In business, it's important that you be interested in the marketing, the selling. Why? Because those are the things that generate a successful business.

              I sell vacuum cleaners. In my business, there are two types of vacuum cleaner retailers..

              1) The 90% that are really interested in vacuum cleaners, how they work, who is in charge of the companies, who supplies the parts, where are they made, the thickness of the cords...etc.

              Those people are never the ones making money. They are product centered. They think they are in the vacuum cleaner business. They think about vacuum cleaners all day long. They talk to other vacuum retailers about vacuum cleaners. At trade shows, they are talking about the vacuum cleaners....looking at vacuum cleaners.

              I avoid those conversation, because these people are never making any money above a working wage.

              2) The 10% who aren't in the vacuum cleaner business...they are in the marketing of vacuum cleaners business.. They think about building their business, advertising, marketing, and increasing sales. At trade shows they are always talking to the other 10% people who are interested in marketing and business. They know that Marketing and Selling are the real business...just like every business.

              Do you think I'm passionate about vacuum cleaners? Do you think I think about them at all outside my business? The first 20 years I sold vacuum cleaners, I didn't even know how a motor worked....but I knew how to sell. And all my study and effort went into learning how to better sell, market, and advertise my vacuum cleaners. that's the business I'm in. That's my "passion".



              The advice to "find something you love and do that" is excellent when you are looking for a hobby. But it is terrible advice when you are looking to succeed in a business.

              The reason people fail in businesses isn't because they lack passion. It because they lack the business knowledge and marketing know how.

              In my life, I've made lots of money selling life insurance, vacuum cleaners and local online internet services....none of which I thought about outside the time I was selling them.

              The one thing I've been "passionate" about is getting better at the marketing and selling. Why? Because that's what the definition of business is. Without marketing and selling, you just have a full warehouse full of things you are "passionate" about.

              And even artists have to sell their artwork, even musicians have to get booked for events. The business isn't music, it's promotion. We call it marketing.
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              Claude I totally agree, any business you are in, you are in the business of marketing 1st, your product 2nd, without the knowledge of how to market. thanks you are right
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            • Profile picture of the author Kay King
              When I was starting out in IM if google charged per search I would have been broke quickly. Every time I got stuck (which was several times a day (or several times an hour some days) - I would stop and find what I needed to know to move past that one obstacle. It didn't occur to me that I couldn't learn what was necessary - or that I couldn't succeed if I worked at it day after day.

              I wasn't working 'in a field I loved' - nor did i have plans for big money or to be 'known' in IM - I just wanted to be able to pay the mortgage without struggling each month. Then I wanted enough to pay all of my expenses from IM - then enough to allow me to work part time at my job - then I quit the job. That's how many members here became 'online marketers' - one step at a time.

              AND - back then (2001 or so) there was nothing like the amount of information/tutorials/how-to videos you can find today with a simple search.

              It is easy to think you can depend on what someone else tells you to do...to be profitable. That is an employee mindset of 'show me what to do' - and seldom works all that well.
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          • Profile picture of the author star007
            I agree that you do have to have a 'real' interest in what you are promoting or wanting to promote for it to work.

            After years of buying one 'shiny object' after another I paid for a good mentor and it was only then that I got the inside scoop for how things should be done and I started making money. The 'shiny objects' are sometimes entertaining and get your moneymaking juices flowing, but they just don't deliver the goods to make it happen for you.
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            • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
              Originally Posted by star007 View Post

              I agree that you do have to have a 'real' interest in what you are promoting or wanting to promote for it to work.

              After years of buying one 'shiny object' after another I paid for a good mentor and it was only then that I got the inside scoop for how things should be done and I started making money. The 'shiny objects' are sometimes entertaining and get your moneymaking juices flowing, but they just don't deliver the goods to make it happen for you.
              I agree it is one of the mistakes i made 10 years ago not being able to get a coach to by pass all the field land mines that newbies will step on blow them selves up into FAILURE thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Originally Posted by judybonacci View Post

      Good afternoon,

      I am in your age group, and totally get what you are saying.

      I have been working online since 2009, never making any money to speak of. I maxed out several credit cards over the years joining this one and that one. All was not wasted because I learned what NOT TO DO.

      My big EPIPHANY came a couple of years ago when I found several mentors that had already reached the level of documented success I had been looking for.

      I basically started with no money whatsoever recommending OPP (Other People's Products) There are also tons of resources online where you can earn money as early as tonight while you are learning the "tricks of the trade", and the how too's from some of the top earners with documented proof of their income.

      I hope this helps. I would be happy to share any info that could help you.

      To Your Success!
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      Hi judybonacci

      I need some help with figuring out how to go about buying solo ads to drive traffic to my affiliate product landing page that sells a money making affiliate program ..



      What I am confused about is the following:

      1) I am sending traffic to a the affiliate product, but how many clicks will i need to buy for me to get a feel for the list whether it is worth it or not

      2) how many times should i buy from this same list that I initially bought before i say that the list is not any good because the problem could be with my product or the landing page for my product provided by the vendor

      3) what are the steps that a newbie should take when buying from a solo ad seller to minimize costly mistakes, what should he/she be thinking about, what question should i ask from the list vendor , etccc

      4) How much of a advertising budget should i start with monthly.... should i start with $100 buys, $300 buys, $500 buys ...what is the minimum amount of clicks I should buy from a solo ad vendor to start with !

      5) should i buy weekly traffic instead of monthly or is it better to just buy monthly and just buy traffic all at once monthly
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      • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
        Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

        I need some help with figuring out how to go about buying solo ads to drive traffic to my affiliate product landing page that sells a money making affiliate program ..
        That's what many if not most People do ... And it usually doesn't work. Choose a Niche (other than MMO) that interests you. Because you will be more likely to succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author judybonacci
    Hey Edwin,

    I received your message in my email.

    I am new on the forum, and I have to have 5 replies before I can answer you. I have 3

    As soon as I can, I will reply to you
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
    Why am I not surprised that some of the top marketers (online earners) joined this discussion and offered real-world advise and the Original Poster sends a Private Mail to a new member that speaks of credit cards and how to make money today?

    Alrighty then.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by judybonacci View Post

    I would be happy to share any info that could help you.
    Please feel free to share any useful info in this thread. Other members may also benefit.

    Originally Posted by onpointinfo View Post

    please share that info with me I will PM you now thank you Edwin
    Edwin, you've had lots of advice and helpful suggestions in this thread, but if I were you, I wouldn't encourage private messages - not everyone will have your best interests at the top of their agenda. To be clear, I'm not casting aspersions on any member in particular - just making a general point.
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      Please feel free to share any useful info in this thread. Other members may also benefit.



      Edwin, you've had lots of advice and helpful suggestions in this thread, but if I were you, I wouldn't encourage private messages - not everyone will have your best interests at the top of their agenda. To be clear, I'm not casting aspersions on any member in particular - just making a general point.
      Ok Frank... I may have misinterpreted her intentions, It is my fault thinking she wanted me to pm her for her help personally some how, my mistake, and will not assume this again thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Hodgins
    There is already plenty of good advice here so I'll put a couple of points here just for you to think about.

    Time is not always a factor. I'm 45 and I've been at online marketing for a little more than 22 years I think. I made ALL the mistakes I can think of. I've had spans where I earned great and then there were tough times because I tried to play whatever new hotness was trending at a particular time. You can do this but a personal inventory is very important to your chances for success this time out.

    Done for you can work great but you have to be VERY wary and very careful.

    I have about a 70/30 hit ratio when it comes to actually making the income but it takes long hours and total commitment that regardless of failure, you will not quit.

    Biggest piece of advice if you're gonna do any of it yourself (and you should), is to do your best to learn advertising, regardless of platform as well as learning or leveraging a hot service you can provide...heck you can carefully white label and make good revenue, I sometimes do.

    For me, learning ads from the get go combined with leveraging freelance services offered has had the highest success. I'd recommend that path to anyone, as I recommend you consider it for you because you have knowledge to leverage.

    Hope this helps a bit.

    Best wishes,

    Jay
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    • Profile picture of the author onpointinfo
      Originally Posted by Jason Hodgins View Post

      There is already plenty of good advice here so I'll put a couple of points here just for you to think about.

      Time is not always a factor. I'm 45 and I've been at online marketing for a little more than 22 years I think. I made ALL the mistakes I can think of. I've had spans where I earned great and then there were tough times because I tried to play whatever new hotness was trending at a particular time. You can do this but a personal inventory is very important to your chances for success this time out.

      Done for you can work great but you have to be VERY wary and very careful.

      I have about a 70/30 hit ratio when it comes to actually making the income but it takes long hours and total commitment that regardless of failure, you will not quit.

      Biggest piece of advice if you're gonna do any of it yourself (and you should), is to do your best to learn advertising, regardless of platform as well as learning or leveraging a hot service you can provide...heck you can carefully white label and make good revenue, I sometimes do.

      For me, learning ads from the get go combined with leveraging freelance services offered has had the highest success. I'd recommend that path to anyone, as I recommend you consider it for you because you have knowledge to leverage.

      Hope this helps a bit.

      Best wishes,

      Jay
      Thank you for the advice, quick update I got my 1st subscribers onto my email list so I am very excited even though it is not a sale, but it is a small milestone I achieved 10 years ago I did not even achieve getting this far, so my past failure had some benefits as I already knew since failure to me is an opportunity for me to find out what does not work and try again

      I sent traffic direct to the landing page webinar I am promoting, I did not want to create a bridge page as of yet, this i will do soon, but wanted to try sending traffic to the affiliate vendor own landing page 1st ... and got me 3 subscirbers

      Question:

      1) what is the target number of traffic clicks should I send to the direct landing page before I make a sale, what conversions percentages should i be looking for sending traffic direct to product vendor own landing page

      2) what should be a good small testing budget for the month as a newbie testing the waters so i do not get ripped off big time with solo ad vendors before I invest a large budget



      NOTE
      I understand building a bridge pre-sell page, always helps with conversions and sales, so i will do it eventually do this very soo,n I did create one already but have not completed it
      thanks again
      Edwin
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  • Profile picture of the author BloggerDeen
    You have to test things out yourself, you will never find someone who is good with everything related to affiliate marketing and will even make list for you. I mean everyone would have hired that person and most important why the person who is so good with everything will for you or anyone else. So to be frank that is not practical and will bring lot of frustration with no lessons learned.

    When you do things yourself then yes there will be frustration but you will learn with those frustrations. Your attitute with it has to be good as no 1 reason why people left is they get frustrated so fast. Affiliate marketing is super hard if you want to make good amount of money regularly. I am not gonna lie that it is easy you just gotta try but I believe your life experience will be helpful to you and you most likely will have way high tolerance towards failures than most of us.
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    They have lot of ideas to generate a lot of sale
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  • Profile picture of the author baritt
    Never give up, I mean NEVER! I am 40 yo and I have tried I will say 1000 ideas to run my online business and nothing worked! But I just kept trying and thanks god TruCoat is finally for the first time after 20 years getting me some money back.

    I am reselling paints from my local paint store. I have created online website, launched SEO plan and paid for Google Ads + Facebook advertisement. After 3-4 months, I started receiving first orders. Right now it is going very well that I have quit my job to manage all orders.

    NEVER GIVE UP!
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