Running ads direct to sales page vs to email list?

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Hey so I've really been studying up on FB ads lately. I just bought this course that goes a lot into reading the data. This type of "numerical approach" is exactly what I've been looking for. I've always been a numbers guy, so this seems promising!

However, my issue is in what happens when I run ads to a freebie/mailing list opt-in?

The FB business dashboard has all of these metrics that you can monitor (as I'm sure you already know....), but that is assuming that you are running the ad directly to the sales page.

When you run an ad to a freebie, and then start marketing via the email sequence, the FB dashboard no longer applies. So I'm wondering how to accurately track all of this data?

I'm thinking that click tracking software is an absolute must...

Also, I'm wondering if it may even be possible to run FB ads direct to sales page, but make people enter their email address prior to being able to see the price?

There's so much advice out there that says to COLLECT EMAILS!!!

However, all of the data tracking and FB algorithm optimization stuff seams to be geared towards running the ads direct to sale.

Basically I'm just confused about the differences in approach between running ads to a freebie vs. running ads to a sales page?

Any and all advice would be much appreciated. Thanks!
#ads #direct #email #list #page #running #sales
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  • Profile picture of the author savidge4
    There are solutions... and then there are solutions that will be right for you. Top Dog no questions asked would do everything you want and then some would be Infusionsoft, that is now called "Keap" BUT For YOU right now... way overkill. The expense and the learning curve would be mind boggling.

    For you, Im not so worried about the expense as I am the learning... you dont know enough to jump into the absolute best in class.

    For right now... I am going to say you are over thinking this... you are offering 3 products: Free trial, Monthly and lifetime. ( Good, Better, Best ) Off to a great start.

    A sale is a culmination of multiple conversions. The click on the ad...a conversion, they click on a option ( good better best ) a conversion. They actually commit to one of the 3 options, a conversion.

    And here is where things get tricky, you then want to convert Good to better or Best... and then you want to convert Better to Best.

    So FB tracks the ad... but then things go into ghost mode - how to track the e-mails. The absolute best tool for YOU right now is Google Analytics ( https://neverbounce.com/blog/optimiz...ogle-analytics ) and there are a number of reasons for this. #1 it is documented by Google very well, and it is documented by users like you or me that use it, learning to use it, are masters at it. As much as there is a learning curve... its a curve that is manageable by the sheer volume of help online.

    So YOU specifically... we know because we know, a great majority of your sign-ups are going for the free trial offer - your issue is then converting these to Better or best.

    a 10 e-mail sequence targeting those that have your "Good" offer to upgraded to Better or Best. Each of the 10 e-mails will have a separate lander - Email 1 goes to lander 1 Email 5 goes to lander 5 Email10 goes to email10.

    I suggest this..because we understand with every communication past the first one there is generally diminishing returns. Your best conversion rate will be the first contact ( from the ad, the next best will be email 2 and then email3 etc etc From the ad will produce the best conversion ratio, Email10 will produce the worst ratio ( generally speakiing )

    For the sake of discussion we will say your ad gets 1000 clicks. 100 of those clicks signs up for your free offer. Email1 might get 5 conversions to Best email 3 might get 2 and email8 might get 1. Obviously Email 1 is getting a 5% conversion rate... but if you srat looking at the 10 day collective, you are looking at an 8% conversion overall ( there could be some mathmatical discussion here how that is a flase statement [ Socialentry I know you are reading this ] but we are just trying to keep this simple

    with thoss 10 landers, you can now use Google Analytics to understand how these e-mails are performing. You can start tweeking titles, and messages and so on and so forth.

    So what happens after 10 you ask... I would create an 11th lander for your "Good" audience and send them the once a week newsletter with the lesson they are missing ( meaning the titleof the video.. and a brief overview of the lesson ) and if they dont want to miss out upgrade NOW.

    So you have a segragated mailing list for Good... once Good converts to Better or Best, you have to move that contact accordingly to the better or best list.

    And you want to employ the same type of things with Better... because you ultimately want them to upgrade to Best.

    So that once a week email you send out you wil have basically the same email3 times... the Good one..that teases the lesson, the Better one that says why pay monthly... pay this flat rate now, and never pay again. and then the Best email that is what you have been delivering all along.

    Off the ad, you will have 3 options available... once they convert to Good, htey will have 2 options available, and if the jump to Better, they will have 1 option available.

    Throw in a merch option in here, and your Best mailing list wil also have options - and they will buy just to support you and your efforts because they GET IT - think SHIRTS and Flags - you would kill it Im telling you.

    The secret to "tracking" is #1 Google Analytics, and #2 using individual landers for each separate instance so YOU can better track and understand what is going on and when.. A Pain up front, but super easy once it is all set up... once the Good sequence is set, its just a matter of tweeking the open rate and sales sequence to see results.

    Im sure thats half scatter brained so if you have questions.. you know im here!

    Hope that Helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
      Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

      a 10 e-mail sequence targeting those that have your "Good" offer to upgraded to Better or Best. Each of the 10 e-mails will have a separate lander - Email 1 goes to lander 1 Email 5 goes to lander 5 Email10 goes to email10.
      A separate landing page for each email is a GREAT idea. That would definitely help me with tracking exactly what I need.

      I actually have a few other products that I plan to experiment with, because I want to try direct-to-sale ads as well. I have an eBook that I want to sell for $7, with an order bump for an additional $29, with the main upsell bring the lifetime membership for an additional $160.

      I also want to try running ads directly to the small course for $39, with the lifetime membership for $160 as the main upsell again.

      I'll also try running ads to a freebie and then just trying to sell the main membership (the good, better, best funnel).

      But individual landing pages is definitely the answer. Thanks man, much appreciated!!
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  • What has been working for me is to give away the freebie and then have an offer immediately at the thank you page.


    Results may vary depending on the market
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  • Profile picture of the author anymore
    Most people do not purchase from seeing a website offer for the first time, and they do not know you. So the chances of getting a sell from direct linking is very low. If you can get them to join your email list by giving them some type of free offer, you stand a much better chance of them buying one or more offers from you over time. This system has been working for the top internet marketers for many years and still does work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Johnny12345
    Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

    Basically I'm just confused about the differences in approach between running ads to a freebie vs. running ads to a sales page?

    Any and all advice would be much appreciated. Thanks!

    In my view, whether to go with a 1-step (direct to sales letter) or multi-step (to a squeeze page) depends on TWO main things:

    1) If it's a high-ticket item, you're going to need a list. Period. One contact won't do it. If it's a low-ticket (or impulse item), then you may not need to build a list at all.

    2) If it's a low-ticket item, but you have MORE items in that niche to sell (or promote as an affiliate), then you're absolutely going to want a list. Many marketers run low-ticket offers just to build a list in a specific niche (it's a very smart thing to do).

    So, IN MOST CASES, you will want to build a NICHE list before selling.

    For tracking, there are many options.

    I write my own tracking code in PHP (because coding is a hobby).

    I'll also mention that I hate Google Analytics. It's just too cryptic for me. It's like using an F-22 fighter jet to kill a fly. It's overkill for me (although MANY people will disagree with my opinion). And Facebook tracking simply isn't accurate.

    If I didn't write my own, I would use web-stat.com. I love it. It's a paid service, but it's cheap. And it's easy to use and understand. (I am not an affiliate, but should be).

    I hope that helps.

    John
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    I think there are certain advantages to sending a prospect directly to your sales page and to your squeeze page also. If you know your conversion rate, you can send prospects to a sales page, get a sale, and rely on backend products to recoup your cost of advertising (if you lose money on the frontend sale). As "anymore" above stated, sending prospects to a squeeze page is good if your price is towards the higher end. People like to buy from people they know and feel comfortable with. Optin email marketing gives you the chance to build that relationship, and make people feel comfortable from buying from you - not to mention also getting acquainted with your offer over and over again.
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  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
    Here are some results...

    I've been having some luck running direct to my sales page. However after getting nearly 1000 clicks to the sales page (which is a decent sized sample), I have found that my conversion rate is around 2% (and going down). My ad is doing great in getting people there, but not a lot of them are pulling the trigger. This is an indication that my sales page sucks!

    I've also ran traffic to a freebie and put them through a 5-email sequence. 158 clicks, 68 optins, zero sales....I let this campaign run for about a week prior to shutting it off. I've still been watching to see if any of those 68 optins have led to sales, but still after a month not a single sale from them. This tells me that my email sequence sucks!

    At the very least, this data is telling me that my ads are doing well but my sales page and email sequence are crappy!!
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    • Profile picture of the author savidge4
      Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

      Here are some results...

      I've been having some luck running direct to my sales page. However after getting nearly 1000 clicks to the sales page (which is a decent sized sample), I have found that my conversion rate is around 2% (and going down). My ad is doing great in getting people there, but not a lot of them are pulling the trigger. This is an indication that my sales page sucks!
      3% is what I shoot for as a bottom bar...so your not that far off. Running on all cylinders I shoot for 10%+. However, I still say you are in a targeting void of sorts. Creating a sales pitch that is going to hit across beginner, Intermediate, and advanced would be hard on a good day

      Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

      I've also ran traffic to a freebie and put them through a 5-email sequence. 158 clicks, 68 optins, zero sales....I let this campaign run for about a week prior to shutting it off. I've still been watching to see if any of those 68 optins have led to sales, but still after a month not a single sale from them. This tells me that my email sequence sucks!

      At the very least, this data is telling me that my ads are doing well but my sales page and email sequence are crappy!!
      As much as the ads to direct sales are cool ( my personal preference ) The e-mail list is truly where the money is, in this particular scenario... and I would focus more on this aspect. And I will say it again that 3 tier target audience is what really needs to be addressed in the follow up e-mails. I might throw in a bonus lesson - one for each of the target audiences, so across the spectrum they can see your content is going to be a good fit. Just ONE lesson is going to be like Goldy locks and the Three Bears... ones to hard, the other to easy and one thats just right. 68 opt-ins out of 158 clicks is what 40 some percent? And you should?! be ableto convert dang near 50% of them.

      10 out of 1000 ( direct sales conversion ) vs we will say 20 conversions out of 158 clicks with the e-mail opt-in, it is mathematically a no brainer.
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      • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
        Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

        And I will say it again that 3 tier target audience is what really needs to be addressed in the follow up e-mails. I might throw in a bonus lesson - one for each of the target audiences, so across the spectrum they can see your content is going to be a good fit. Just ONE lesson is going to be like Goldy locks and the Three Bears... ones to hard, the other to easy and one thats just right. 68 opt-ins out of 158 clicks is what 40 some percent? And you should?! be ableto convert dang near 50% of them.
        I think I follow what you are suggesting, and I love the idea of having specific "beginner", "intermediate" and "advanced" copy! However, I'm not exactly sure how to implement it though...

        Like, what exactly would I do to get 50% of those 68 optins to convert?

        Do I send the whole list the "easy" lesson on day 1, then the "intermediate" lesson on day 2, then the "hard" lesson on day 3?

        That's the part I'm confused about.
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        • Profile picture of the author savidge4
          Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

          I think I follow what you are suggesting, and I love the idea of having specific "beginner", "intermediate" and "advanced" copy! However, I'm not exactly sure how to implement it though...

          Like, what exactly would I do to get 50% of those 68 optins to convert?

          Do I send the whole list the "easy" lesson on day 1, then the "intermediate" lesson on day 2, then the "hard" lesson on day 3?

          That's the part I'm confused about.
          I would drop all 3 lessons right off the get... In doing this you can hit your greatest strength... how many lessons are on the inside? There is just short of infinite room to grow... This offer is not a 9 week course, this is a lifetime of learning - content each and every week since ( insert date ) - See the inside for $19 a month or $199 one time flat.

          And once you have them on the $19 a month plan... I would be offering something along the lines - We will credit you the $19 and lifetime membership is one time only $180.

          The 68 you have converted to an e-mail list and in my book ( in your case ) are just short of buyers... they are interested - there is NO question about that. I strongly believe offering Beginner Intermediate, and advanced content off the get will remove any if not all thought of this is to easy, or this is to hard. and I suspect... the majority of that 68 are going to be beginner level, and the lesson currently is over probably their head
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          • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
            Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

            I would drop all 3 lessons right off the get... In doing this you can hit your greatest strength... how many lessons are on the inside? There is just short of infinite room to grow... This offer is not a 9 week course, this is a lifetime of learning - content each and every week since ( insert date ) - See the inside for $19 a month or $199 one time flat.

            And once you have them on the $19 a month plan... I would be offering something along the lines - We will credit you the $19 and lifetime membership is one time only $180.

            The 68 you have converted to an e-mail list and in my book ( in your case ) are just short of buyers... they are interested - there is NO question about that. I strongly believe offering Beginner Intermediate, and advanced content off the get will remove any if not all thought of this is to easy, or this is to hard. and I suspect... the majority of that 68 are going to be beginner level, and the lesson currently is over probably their head
            Thanks for the reply!

            I'm actually already doing exactly what you just said there. My "freebie" is 3 courses... 3 of my BEST courses. They are the ones that appeal to the masses the most.

            Also, exactly what you said about the $19 being used as essentially a "paid trial" which could be then credited towards a lifetime membership...I'm already doing that too. Out of the 100 or so monthly members that have signed up since I started offering the monthly option, only 1 person took me up on the "upgrade" though.

            So basically I'm already pretty much doing all of that. I definitely feel that my initial 5 email sequence sucks though. I actually paid an "expert" $2500 to write the 5-part onboard sequence (long story...but I don't think she was really an expert), so I figured at least SOME of the people that opted in would've joined. But not a single person has yet...so something is definitely wrong!

            If they are as close to buying as you say, I'm just wondering how to convince them further. I've given them 3 super top-notch high-quality courses for free (ranging from easy to hard). Then I sent them through this email sequence that apparently follows a "proven formula"...but nothing!

            I know that every internet marketer says "the money is in the list"...but when it comes to using paid advertising, I have not found that to be the case for me.

            The only time my freebie list seems to pay off is when I run sales (Black Friday, etc.). So I'll see if any of these people end up buying then. However when it comes to running ads to an optin vs direct to sale, it doesn't seem to make any sense to keep running to the freebie.
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            • Profile picture of the author savidge4
              Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

              I'm actually already doing exactly what you just said there. My "freebie" is 3 courses... 3 of my BEST courses. They are the ones that appeal to the masses the most.
              Im not sure this would be exact... appealing to the masses and appealing directly to the end users circumstance may be 2 different things. Think of it this way..many times in marketing we see things like "Our Best Seller" or the like... lets say a red sports car is advertised as "Our best seller" what happens if the end user wants a sedan? or a yellow sports car. Pay attention to car ads - you can actually look them up on YouTube - they run different ads for different models, and they will have multiple ads for the same cars in different colors - OR they will run the same car side by side in multiple colors.

              Try looking atthis: ( https://www.bmwusa.com/ )

              Scroll through: ( https://www.ford.com/ )

              or this: ( https://www.gibson.com/en-US/ )

              or even this: ( https://www.fender.com/en-US/start )

              How many of these websites have images of 3 of whatever it is they are selling?

              Scrolling through say Fenders page what segment of the market are they targeting?
              Looking at Gibson... you dont see a segmented effort

              Fender and Gibson at the end of the day bring in about the same amount of dollars per year. However, Fender sells more guitars... because they tailor across most segments of market vs the Gibson approach... sell at a higher price point and drop out the lower end beginner market. This isnt an accident - these 2 methods of market targeting are extremely methodical in nature

              You cant please EVERYONE with a single dose of content... but you can get close by presenting content related to the differnt phases of your end user (Beginner, Intermediate, Advanced )

              And THIS is how you need to present your course... dont appeal to the masses... appeal to the 3 very different segments of your market. Goto the likes of Home Depot and see how often you see Good, Better, Best. You need to take advantage of marketing phycology that is played day in and day out for any and every product or service that is sold.

              In your case specifically, because you have a clearly define segmentation of market; Beginner, Intermediate / novice, and advanced - this would, could, and should work very nicely.

              Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

              Also, exactly what you said about the $19 being used as essentially a "paid trial" which could be then credited towards a lifetime membership...I'm already doing that too. Out of the 100 or so monthly members that have signed up since I started offering the monthly option, only 1 person took me up on the "upgrade" though.
              I run into this all the time... I recently had someone from here ( WF ) reach out to me about a pricing issue...the website listed prices based apon a month rate, and when you went to book a class, there was only a year option.

              The Solution ( nat that the above followed through with the advice ) but the obvious solution is get the $199 lifetime member... or pay $19 for 12 months, and we will then upgrade you to lifetime membership IE a payment plan

              Things are tight - accommodate for the circumstance of not having the ability to afford the $199 all at once

              Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

              So basically I'm already pretty much doing all of that. I definitely feel that my initial 5 email sequence sucks though. I actually paid an "expert" $2500 to write the 5-part onboard sequence (long story...but I don't think she was really an expert), so I figured at least SOME of the people that opted in would've joined. But not a single person has yet...so something is definitely wrong!
              We have been here before...and I say its about Value.. in the case of the 5 emails I will bet its something along the lines of here is the free thing... and then buy buy buy buy - and guess what, they dont buy - there is no value in that

              Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

              If they are as close to buying as you say, I'm just wondering how to convince them further. I've given them 3 super top-notch high-quality courses for free (ranging from easy to hard). Then I sent them through this email sequence that apparently follows a "proven formula"...but nothing!

              I know that every internet marketer says "the money is in the list"...but when it comes to using paid advertising, I have not found that to be the case for me.
              The fact that you are getting them to cough up the e-mail speaks absolute volumes... most people cant even get the jumps from an ad let alone the e-mail conversion. Your ahead of the game. I am betting / feeling that this is as I have said for a long time now a targeting issue

              Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

              The only time my freebie list seems to pay off is when I run sales (Black Friday, etc.). So I'll see if any of these people end up buying then. However when it comes to running ads to an optin vs direct to sale, it doesn't seem to make any sense to keep running to the freebie.
              So at your current $199 price what is your Black Friday price going to be? E-mail #5... one shot and one shot only... insert black Friday price... your not converting them anyways right? why wait till black Friday?

              Aside from that suggestion... this is the portion of the story that I keep going to that suggests the VALUE isnt there - some how, some way.
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              • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
                Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                We have been here before...and I say its about Value.. in the case of the 5 emails I will bet its something along the lines of here is the free thing... and then buy buy buy buy - and guess what, they dont buy - there is no value in that.

                So at your current $199 price what is your Black Friday price going to be? E-mail #5... one shot and one shot only... insert black Friday price... your not converting them anyways right? why wait till black Friday?

                Aside from that suggestion... this is the portion of the story that I keep going to that suggests the VALUE isnt there - some how, some way.
                That's not the case though... I KNOW very well that it's all about GIVING VALUE!! That is how I've built this business...by giving tons of value.

                In the 5-part email sequence...

                Email 1 - Here's the 3 free courses you ordered (easy, medium, hard)

                Email 2 - Hey how are you doing with the courses? If you have any questions just respond to this email.

                Email 3 - Here's a bit of my own personal backstory, followed by a link to my YouTube channel.

                Email 4 - More of my own personal backstory, along with how I decided to start this business....followed by a link to testimonials.

                Email 5 - This is where I finally give them the direct link to buy, preceded with a bit of fluff talk about my own personal journey.

                After the 5 email sequence, they then get moved over to my weekly newsletter which gives a free lesson each week.

                That is a pretty good amount of VALUE, possibly too much FREE value even??

                Giving value is not the problem.

                It's figuring out how to get people to respond to this 5-email sequence that's the problem.

                When I said "appeal to the masses", I meant specifically that the 3 free courses that are included with the freebie cover the range from easy, intermediate and advanced. I'm doing EXACTLY that.

                I dunno man....in my limited experience in using FB advertising, people are quick to grab free stuff, but I've never been able to make sales that way. I've dabbled in FB ads before in the past too, running direct to an optin...all previous attempts were a complete fail too. This has given me a ton of doubt in the "conventional" way of doing things (ad > optin > sale), at least for my specific business.

                - High optin rate...check!
                - Awesome 5-part high-value giving onboarding sequence...check!
                - Awesome 20-part high-value giving weekly newsletter sequence...check!

                The freebie hunters simply do not buy based on what I'm doing!
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                • Profile picture of the author savidge4
                  Originally Posted by Bkelly301 View Post

                  In the 5-part email sequence...

                  Email 1 - Here's the 3 free courses you ordered (easy, medium, hard)

                  Email 2 - Hey how are you doing with the courses? If you have any questions just respond to this email.

                  Email 3 - Here's a bit of my own personal backstory, followed by a link to my YouTube channel.

                  Email 4 - More of my own personal backstory, along with how I decided to start this business....followed by a link to testimonials.

                  Email 5 - This is where I finally give them the direct link to buy, preceded with a bit of fluff talk about my own personal journey.

                  After the 5 email sequence, they then get moved over to my weekly newsletter which gives a free lesson each week.
                  Dont take this the wrong way... but you you you, what about them? The added courses after the 5th e-mail... thats value, not arguing there But hey here is the free course, hey have questions ( a good move ) and then? me me me.

                  As much as your past to a degree is important...what they will out of the course in the future is more important.

                  You can by all means say I was like you and struggling and this and that and the other... this course is my process of learning - the shortcut to becoming a Monster Guitar player

                  What can they expect in the future - whats in it for THEM - this is the VALUE... the VISION if you will that gets people to buy... you had them at hello... its now a matter of convincing them that the money out is worth it for them, in becoming a better player.

                  An Added**** Finally give the link to buy at e-mail 5? Each and every e-mail 1 through 5 should be a pitch based on the benefit of the end user - whats in it for them.. buy now - Email 1 should be full blast Pitch... I would have a tendency to cool off for emails 2, 3, and 4 - BUT there would still be the pitch, and then e-mail 5 would be another full tilt pitch

                  An Added Added... and with them going to the general list... i would have a lesson e-mail for those that have paid ( so no pitch, and instead a message of gratitude or the like ) and then the other e-mail should have a pitch each and every time... This list should get the video and not the other content if that makes sense.. they got a taste of the other stuff in the free trial version... you then need to step it back and induce the level of value... you pay, you get this other stuff - you get the facebook group... you get access to an APP, you get this and that and the other - Inducing VALUE
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                  • Profile picture of the author Bkelly301
                    Originally Posted by savidge4 View Post

                    Dont take this the wrong way... but you you you, what about them? The added courses after the 5th e-mail... thats value, not arguing there But hey here is the free course, hey have questions ( a good move ) and then? me me me.

                    As much as your past to a degree is important...what they will out of the course in the future is more important.

                    You can by all means say I was like you and struggling and this and that and the other... this course is my process of learning - the shortcut to becoming a Monster Guitar player

                    What can they expect in the future - whats in it for THEM - this is the VALUE... the VISION if you will that gets people to buy... you had them at hello... its now a matter of convincing them that the money out is worth it for them, in becoming a better player.

                    An Added**** Finally give the link to buy at e-mail 5? Each and every e-mail 1 through 5 should be a pitch based on the benefit of the end user - whats in it for them.. buy now - Email 1 should be full blast Pitch... I would have a tendency to cool off for emails 2, 3, and 4 - BUT there would still be the pitch, and then e-mail 5 would be another full tilt pitch

                    An Added Added... and with them going to the general list... i would have a lesson e-mail for those that have paid ( so no pitch, and instead a message of gratitude or the like ) and then the other e-mail should have a pitch each and every time... This list should get the video and not the other content if that makes sense.. they got a taste of the other stuff in the free trial version... you then need to step it back and induce the level of value... you pay, you get this other stuff - you get the facebook group... you get access to an APP, you get this and that and the other - Inducing VALUE
                    THIS is exactly what I needed. Thank you!!

                    You're 100% right about the "me me me" thing. That was the angle that the "expert" was taking in writing the email sequence. I never really quite felt right about it though. Your suggestion is much better.

                    Also making those adjustments to each of the follow-up emails is golden stuff as well.

                    I will be implementing this stuff ASAP and giving the paid traffic to the optins another shot.

                    Much appreciated!!
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