My Friend In The Snow In A Bikini: Is she nuts? Or a committed marketer? Or should be committed?

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I've met Mary Wilhite twice now - at the WF Networking in Raleigh and at the NAMS Workshop in Atlanta. We sat down in Atlanta on my last day there, and she did a very good one-hour interview (grilling) of me and my list building/management. We even went for a good brisk walk in the cold.

Seemed to be sane enough to me, until today. Mary sent me this video. I asked her if that was greenscreen. Nope, she is actuially standing out in the cold in her bikini. I can only imagine what the neighbours think now.

So, is it nuts? Is it a good way to grab attention? Will people get her message? Will some watch the video a second time? Will anyone believe that Mary is 50?


Hopefully this doesn't violate the avatar rule, LOL

All I can say is, "Mary! You gotta lot more guts than I do!" On the other hand, no one wants to see me in a speedo - snow or not.
#bikini #committed #friend #marketer #nuts #snow
  • Profile picture of the author 1960Texan
    You know, it just might work. She may have been going for multiple viewings. The fourth or fifth time that someone plays this video for a friend saying "Can you believe this nut?" the message may sink in. I'm sure her website has seen a pretty good spike in first-time viewers because of this video.

    By the way, thanks for not sending us a video of you in a speedo!

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Kevin,

      On the other hand, no one wants to see me in a speedo - snow or not.
      or a mankini...

      Will anyone believe that Mary is 50?
      She's in fantastic shape - if you've got it, flaunt it!
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    • Profile picture of the author Kat Bartone
      Great marketing. Do something different and unexpected, and you've got your viewer's attention.

      Unique is good.

      And Kevin, please stop tempting us. Get into your mankini, shoot a new video, and watch your sales skyrocket. Hey, worth a split test?


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      • Profile picture of the author garyfromdurham
        Wow. First of all did she really say she is 50 years old??

        She's amazing!! She got my attention but I think that she put womens liberation back by about 40 years LOL

        I would pay money to see Kevin in a Borat lime green mankini!!

        Gary
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        • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
          Originally Posted by garyfromdurham View Post

          I would pay money to see Kevin in a Borat lime green mankini!!

          Gary
          You don't have to pay... it's already happened... and it ain't a pretty sight, believe me.

          If anyone dares post that picture....I'm infracting your ass!

          Peace

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          • Profile picture of the author garyfromdurham
            Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

            You don't have to pay... it's already happened... and it ain't a pretty sight, believe me.

            If anyone dares post that picture....I'm infracting your ass!
            Eeek!

            Go Kevin!! *wolf whistles*

            Gary
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          • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
            Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

            You don't have to pay... it's already happened... and it ain't a pretty sight, believe me.
            I'd pay Kevin to NOT post that picture again.

            Come to think of it, maybe that was his whole plan all along.

            cheers,
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            • Profile picture of the author rosetrees
              Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

              I'd pay Kevin to NOT post that picture again.
              You can count me in for a contribution there.

              If anyone dares post that picture....I'm infracting your ass!
              Me too, Jay.
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            • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
              Originally Posted by R Hagel View Post

              I'd pay Kevin to NOT post that picture again.
              Come to think of it, maybe that was his whole plan all along.

              cheers,
              Becky
              I can't believe that my most famous work isn't a client's design - merely a photograph of Kevin Riley in a Mankini. I should have had it framed and sold it at Sotheby's.
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          • Profile picture of the author KarlWarren
            Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

            You don't have to pay... it's already happened... and it ain't a pretty sight, believe me.

            If anyone dares post that picture....I'm infracting your ass!

            Peace

            Jay
            Don't worry, I deleted it when I moved from my desktop to my laptop - it is now in digital heaven.
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      • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
        Originally Posted by Kat Bartone View Post

        And Kevin, please stop tempting us. Get into your mankini, shoot a new video, and watch your sales skyrocket. Hey, worth a split test?
        Kat,

        If Kevin shows up here doing the splits in his mankini, I never going to forgive you...:rolleyes:

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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Brrr, I am cold just looking at her. Please tell her wear a coat. This stunt could get her to catch a cold. Right now it is like ten outside and I have to go out. Love the video.
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  • Profile picture of the author mywebwork
    Well it certainty grabbed my attention! Yes it is hard to belive that she and I are the same age, she has snow on her lawn and I have snow on my roof!

    And I also thank you for not posting pictures of yourself in a Speedo Kevin, and I promise not to do the same!

    Bill
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  • Profile picture of the author jaiganeshv
    Couldn't believe that shes 50 because of her COLD act
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by jaiganeshv View Post

      Couldn't believe that shes 50 because of her COLD act
      Mary actually is 50. First time I met her, I thought she was in her 30s. Then, Elmer Hurlstone spilled the beans to me. Since then, I've gotten to know Mary quite well and I can attest that she is 50.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post


      With her in bikini, I would think more of a porn site rather
      than seriously making money online.
      You must be going to some overly tame porn sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        You must be going to some overly tame porn sites.
        LOL I wouldn't know, Haven't seen much..But if you have
        any recommendations, I would gladly visit.

        I just hope it's not one where a recent "sexy" pic of yours
        is displayed..

        arrgghhh, it brings back memories..
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

          LOL I wouldn't know, Haven't seen much..But if you have
          any recommendations, I would gladly visit.

          I just hope it's not one where a recent "sexy" pic of yours
          is displayed..

          arrgghhh, it brings back memories..
          There is that sexy pic of me at StudMuffinsRUs.com, where I'm wearing nothing but a smile and posing demurely on a white bearskin rug.
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    • Profile picture of the author JustMint
      Originally Posted by rapidscc View Post

      With her in bikini, I would think more of a porn site rather
      than seriously making money online.

      That's my honest opinion.
      I think that says a lot more about you than it does her.
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      • Profile picture of the author rapidscc
        Originally Posted by JustMint View Post

        I think that says a lot more about you than it does her.
        Yes of course, it tells a lot about me because that was
        my opinion, and it's what I thought of after watching it.

        Remember, I said "it's what I would think more of" and
        didn't said that it was the motive for the act in the video.

        Remember, you can't control the perception of people.
        You could only do what you think would be good, but it's
        still up to those who will see it, to think for themselves.

        As for Mary, I know it took a lot of effort to do the thing.
        Can you imagine standing outside at low temperatures with
        only your undergarments on. In fact I assume that some
        mistakes in her dialog was due to the freezing feeling she's
        having while doing it. It's not easy.

        I commend her for the effort, but not for the method.

        As for you JustMint,

        Geessh..think before you talk man.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ron Douglas
    I remember Mary from the Raleigh event also. She's such a nice person and has a great personality. I hope the video goes viral and works out the way she wants.

    If the IM niche doesn't work for her, she could definitely clean up in the 'fit over 40' market.
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    • Profile picture of the author RainDrop
      Originally Posted by Ron Douglas View Post


      If the IM niche doesn't work for her, she could definitely clean up in the 'fit over 40' market.
      This is what I was thinking. She looks fabulous (especially for her age!) but I don't know how much this will help help her selling an IM product.

      But if this same approach was used to market diet / fitness / maintain your youth products I think she would have excellent results.

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      I remember going to Big Bear when I was a kid, and was totally shocked to see a bunch of ladies in bikinis and sunglasses on their snow skis!!
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  • Profile picture of the author sdentrepreneur
    I love it...got to think out of the box sometime....my girlfriends daughter is 23 and bikini model, I was going to do a Baywatch spoof and have her promote my online business at the end of it. Will let you know how it goes...
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    That was pathetic, seriously.
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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    I met Mary in Raleigh and she is 50. Although we didn't get to see her in a bikini, she is a beautiful woman.

    Trust me when I tell you she is a lot easier on the eyes than Kevin (a.k.a Hamster Boy in Yellow Speedo Mankinni) Riley.

    Ken

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  • Profile picture of the author Ken Leatherman
    Don't worry, I deleted it when I moved from my desktop to my laptop - it is now in digital heaven.
    Sorry Karl no way that picture went to digital heaven. Well the hamsters maybe. Riley told me hamsters in the mankinni, were warm and cuddly.

    now there is an image nobody needs on a Sunday afternoon.

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  • Profile picture of the author Marketstriker
    Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

    Is it a good way to grab attention?
    No doubts. Pink color bikini, unusual font, pretty woman. All men watch it just because of bikini. It always grab attention.
    Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

    Will people get her message?
    If you have someone's attention, you'll deliver you message and make it stay in reader's head for a long time.
    Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

    Will some watch the video a second time?
    I would show it to my female friends to discuss will they be able to look like Mary in the age of 50.
    Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

    Will anyone believe that Mary is 50?
    Lol. I've laughed a lot after I had understood how old she is. I impressed. i wish my mom could look like Mary.
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  • Profile picture of the author Davioli
    I'm sure a ton of people have commented on how this is unique and gains the viral effect because of that.

    I noticed one thing she could have done better. Her URL wasn't watermarked or displayed more prominently. I know she probably has that in the youtube description .. but it'd have improved her conversions if she had a shorter URL and have had it displayed accross the whole video or at least in a 5 second slide at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nick Brighton
    I don't get it either.

    Personally, it feels more like a self interest video saying "look at me, i am 50 and I work out and look great!"

    But that's about as far as my comprehension went with this.

    And the whole doing this in freezing snow weather is actually just kinda weird if you ask me. Seems a little bit desperate.

    Anyway, she looks great...and I am sure she's lovely too. Perhaps a weight loss product pitch is more suitable?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Petersen
      If she was in the fitness niche then it would be perfect to do something like that but I don't see how that really fits in this niche. I guess she figures most of her demographics is men.

      Hey if it works for her I guess go for it but I think it comes off a bit desperate.

      I would be more impressed if she stood out in the snow in her bikini here in Minneapolis, MN where it's really cold. Ha-ha.

      But yea she's in incredible shape. I don't even remember what she was talking about in the video. Something about being broke, and snowing in Atlanta. I was distracted. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Hanz
        Golly! She's in tip top shape. She could use that video or something similar to promote Weight Loss products.
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  • Profile picture of the author BrianMcLeod
    I appreciate her enthusiasm and her bravery.

    I fully appreciate how amazing her body is, at any age.

    The end.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dave Patterson
    I sent her a beer.

    What was she talking about...?
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  • Profile picture of the author matthewd
    I'm with the others that don't seem to get it...

    She didn't explain why she was in the bikini out
    in the snow... so I don't see at all how that's
    relevant to her message and actually seems to
    distract away from her message.
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Bliss
    Bravo,
    She stood out from from the crowd of other Internet Marketers.
    At least for a minute or two.
    There is nothing wrong with that.
    New ideas like that might just sky rocket her business!
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  • Profile picture of the author bravo75
    What was she talking about?
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris Worner
    Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post


    All I can say is, "Mary! You gotta lot more guts than I do!" On the other hand, no one wants to see me in a speedo - snow or not.
    It would seem you have a fan, my mother thinks you would look spunky in a pair of trunks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Scot Standke
    Could be worse

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    • Profile picture of the author ILUVCA$H
      Originally Posted by Scot Standke View Post

      Could be worse


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  • I am in Georgia and it is cold! Mary Wilhite is crazily amazing! She got it!
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    I'm embarassed for her and would never purchase any of her products.
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    • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
      Originally Posted by dave147 View Post

      Now that's! viral marketing
      It will be after she catches a cold from standing out in the freezing weather.

      If there was ever a use for 'green screen' technology...

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  • Profile picture of the author ILUVCA$H
    Too much talk -- All she needed to do was say "make money with stright talk" and just smile.

    Also sand in front of a nicer house with a better card but shes keeping it real !

    Good for her !!
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  • Profile picture of the author GarrieWilson
    Looked great for 50. Looked like a bad green screen though.
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  • Profile picture of the author rrakausk
    Most chicks can look that good at 50, all they have to do is want it bad enough to work at it. My woman is nearly 52 and looks just as good - but she gets up at 5:10 am and works out for 40 minutes before going to work her 10-11 hour day...

    The fat bloke had a sort of a green screen on didn't he?
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  • Profile picture of the author l23bc
    Great post i dunno if this is a serious discussion or not but im sure am smiling.
    she looks good for 50 years old,
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    • Profile picture of the author Mary Wilhite
      Thank you Eric Louviere for your wonderful comments. They were good and very constructive. It has given me a lot to think about.

      You are so right it does take GUTS, to GO OUT AND USE THE STUFF THAT YOU LEARN. And I learned a lot from you in Austin, TX last summer.
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      I thank everyone for making comments good and bad. Both will help me grow. If I don't stick my neck out, I can't expect to go very far.
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      And, to my good friend Tim C. I love you man you're great! And your beautiful wife. It was a joy meeting you and your wonderful wife in Austin, and seeing you once again NC. Thanks for the great post that helps also...

      To this:
      Maybe this didn't win her many votes: Charges filed in Cherokee! Peach Pundit! Yes!!! This was good stuff,, and in fact it was a great help! Charges filed in Cherokee! Peach Pundit! See Tim's C. Comment! It gave me the attention that I needed. LOL!!!

      One day I would love to tell you about the Politics, it was good stuff. LOL!!!!

      Oh! and if I decided to run for office again I'll just be like Scott Brown who cares, people love it.
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      Anyway, folks have GUTS, it's a beautiful thing.

      P.S., about the product it's still coming... I've just been busy making MONEY... and FUN, FUN, FUN... You should try it.

      P.S.S. Tim, if you need anything I am there for you man. Have a great one!

      Much More To Come!!! Love Ya!

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      • Profile picture of the author garyfromdurham
        Originally Posted by Mary Wilhite View Post

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        I thank everyone for making comments good and bad. Both will help me grow. If I don't stick my neck out, I can't expect to go very far.
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        I think you WILL go far Mary.

        I thought you were fantastic and admire anybody taking action and trying to do something different.

        It got everybody talking....and before yesterday I didn't know who you were.

        Now I do.

        Good luck in your ventures.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Morgan
        You're absolutely right Mary, take no risks, get no rewards. This is obviously a huge attention getter, and it's working. Look at everyone talking about it here!
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    Mary is a great looking lady but get rid of the other picture PLEASE!
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  • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
    I think Mary looks phenomenal.

    Saw your photo on Facebook a couple of days ago and remember thinking the same.

    It's good to see your efforts are getting the snow-melting attention you deserve.

    As far as if you need to be committed or not:

    If you'll commit to continue posting updates in your bikini,
    I'll commit to continue to appreciate them.

    All good-natured/intended kidding aside, I think the contrast
    is hot in season and out of season.

    Shows you're not moved by external factors and are
    committed to do the best for your clients regardless of "the weather".

    Interesting Kevin, how you chose the word "committed" because
    that underscores the unique commitment to excellence in business
    unlike others who may only be "fair-weather friends" if the conditions are right.

    That's my take and I'm sticking with it. (For now, just kidding!)
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  • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
    Kevin -

    So many thoughts but I'll keep my mouth shut.

    Let me just say this - how many successful people do you see pimping themselves out in a bikini?

    You'd think for someone who is 50 she'd have more common sense than that.

    Oh well.
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    • Profile picture of the author DougBarger
      Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

      Kevin -

      So many thoughts but I'll keep my mouth shut.

      Let me just say this - how many successful people do you see pimping themselves out in a bikini?

      You'd think for someone who is 50 she'd have more common sense than that.

      Oh well.

      I'm not Kevin, but since your post followed mine Tim, I'll be your huckleberry.

      "How many successful people do you see pimping themselves out in a bikini?"

      Well, by my count, at least one. Not the pimping in a derogatory way like I wonder if you mean or not?



      Come on Castleman, tell us Tim how you really feel!

      Did she go too over-the-top in your personal opinion?
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  • Profile picture of the author RobinSkeen
    Embarrassed for her? Are you kidding? I met Mary and even up close she doesn't look 50. I was so not believing it she finally offered to show me her driver's license. She's a lovely woman inside and out. I am totally not surprised to see this video. LOL

    PS: Where the ach ee double hockey sticks is the dang eye bleach so I can get rid of that mankini image? OMG my eyes are dry heaving.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimCastleman
      Originally Posted by RobinSkeen View Post

      Embarrassed for her? Are you kidding? I met Mary and even up close she doesn't look 50. I was so not believing it she finally offered to show me her driver's license. She's a lovely woman inside and out. I am totally not surprised to see this video. LOL

      PS: Where the ach ee double hockey sticks is the dang eye bleach so I can get rid of that mankini image? OMG my eyes are dry heaving.
      Robin -

      I don't mean her body. At 50 I am sure she looks great. My thing opinion is just when it comes to marketing that's all.

      Show me one head of state or well known internet marketing person doing a video in a two piece bikini? I think she has a great message (same exact one Kevin spoke on at the WF seminar) but I think it gets lost.

      It's not a dramatic demonstration to me - it's a desperate one.

      What happens if she decides to drop this as quick as she has other methods and make another run for the senate (without the whole "fat pig" thing)? This could come back to haunt her.

      I wish her the best and am sure she will do well with a certain market.

      Tim

      PS: To be clear this is not an attack on any single person - just my observation of a marketing method that I am not a fan of.
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      • Profile picture of the author RobinSkeen
        Originally Posted by TimCastleman View Post

        Robin -

        I don't mean her body. At 50 I am sure she looks great. My thing opinion is just when it comes to marketing that's all.

        Show me one head of state or well known internet marketing person doing a video in a two piece bikini? I think she has a great message (same exact one Kevin spoke on at the WF seminar) but I think it gets lost.

        It's not a dramatic demonstration to me - it's a desperate one.

        Again just my opinion.
        I understand where you're coming from Tim. I've seen some interesting marketing tactics since I started on this journey.
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        • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
          Riley, haven't you learned anything about marketing in all these years? You won't get anybody to click on a thread titled "My Friend In The Snow In A Bikini."

          Sheesh.
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Thank you all for the great discussion (but no thanks to the mankini photo, yuck).
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          • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
            Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

            Riley, haven't you learned anything about marketing in all these years? You won't get anybody to click on a thread titled "My Friend In The Snow In A Bikini."

            Sheesh.

            Note: I avoided using "Ken Strong In A Thong"
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            • Profile picture of the author Eric Louviere
              I think it was Dan Kennedy who said, "Offend 30% of your market"... or something like that. Some of the savvy top marketers surely understand this all to well. I've seen top marketers actually stir up debate and controversy just to get people active.

              It takes the spot light and puts it square on you. I'm not saying that is what Mary did, but I have a feeling her thoughts that provoked this were in the RIGHT direction marketing wise.

              I'll say this and then stop... and Mary if you happen on to this post... hope you get what I'm saying here...

              Most in this market are too afraid to even use their real names. They use screen names and hide behind message boards and the Internet. They are brave to throw out criticism quickly and love to wallow in gossip and rock throwing.

              Most never do anything, or try anything outside of a comfort zone. They post with authority as if they've actually ever done anything or made more than a couple grand online.

              Most have no guts. Most would never even pick up a microphone on a tele-seminar, or much less get in front of a crowd of people at a marketing event. What matters most is taking action and doing things. What matters is throwing yourself out there and making things happen. What matters most is escaping comfort zones. You did that and I applaud you.

              If you remember, I spoke about "courage" at the seminar in Austin you ran with Jason F. I think I got a standing ovation right? This is the exact thing I was talking about.

              Screw what people think. Just take action, massive action and let the chips fall where they may. As long as you provide good value with integrity, you're good to go.

              It captured attention like the best "pattern interrupts" around.

              "fortune favors the bold!"

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  • Profile picture of the author TiffanyB
    I guess I just don't get it. I don't see how standing in the snow in a bikini has anything to with her message. She talks about being broke and now making money online but from the looks of the video it looks like she can't afford a winter coat for herself.

    Also, great that she keeps in shape and healthy but what does being 50 years old and looking like she does have to do with Internet marketing? From the comments on this thread I can tell a lot of people are more focused on her body than her message so what good does that do? Then again, this video may greatly increase her profits and traffic and I can be completely wrong.

    ** I'm not some kind of feminist that sees what she is doing is wrong, I guess I just don't see the connection here. Would love a follow up on the video to see how successful it is in a few months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

    Hopefully this doesn't violate the avatar rule, LOL
    Nah, you're safe there, but I'm surprised the thread didn't get deleted for self-promotion since the web site Mary wants everyone to visit has a link right under the video for an offer that reads, "List Building with Mary Wilhite & Kevin Riley".

    Maybe I just don't understand the rules as well as I thought.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
      Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

      Nah, you're safe there, but I'm surprised the thread didn't get deleted for self-promotion since the web site Mary wants everyone to visit has a link right under the video for an offer that reads, "List Building with Mary Wilhite & Kevin Riley".

      Maybe I just don't understand the rules as well as I thought.

      Just to clarify. That is not my product. That is Mary's. She interviewed me, as I stated in the OP.

      Also, the link is not here. It's on her blog. That means you have to go from here to You Tube. Then, from You Tube to her blog. Then from her blog to her sales page. How many degrees of seperation do you require?

      IMO, if Mary had posted this it could be considered slightly self-promoting (if there was a link here to her blog, which there isn't). As I posted it only after she sent me the video (which was done because we were chatting on Skype, as she had just put up the interview of me for sale - again, I reiterate that I have no interest in the proceeds of sale of this interview, and am only the interviewee) and thought it was an interesting study - especially as I wasn't too sure of my own feelings of the video - I do believe this was a good study and discussion of marketing, no self-promotion intended..

      You may not know me as well as some, but the mods here do, and I have never been accused of self-promotion. Accused of posting off topic or stupidity, but never self-promotion.

      EDIT: Sorry, I stand corrected. Seems there is now a link on the YT video that goes to SP not blog. Still, IMO, not a problem as there is no promotion here nor in the video.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
        Originally Posted by Kevin Riley View Post

        Just to clarify. That is not my product. That is Mary's. She interviewed me, as I stated in the OP.

        Also, the link is not here. It's on her blog. That means you have to go from here to You Tube. Then, from You Tube to her blog. Then from her blog to her sales page. How many degrees of seperation do you require?

        IMO, if Mary had posted this it could be considered slightly self-promoting (if there was a link here to her blog, which there isn't). As I posted it only after she sent me the video (which was done because we were chatting on Skype, as she had just put up the interview of me for sale - again, I reiterate that I have no interest in the proceeds of sale of this interview, and am only the interviewee) and thought it was an interesting study - especially as I wasn't too sure of my own feelings of the video - I do believe this was a good study and discussion of marketing, no self-promotion intended..

        You may not know me as well as some, but the mods here do, and I have never been accused of self-promotion. Accused of posting off topic or stupidity, but never self-promotion.

        EDIT: Sorry, I stand corrected. Seems there is now a link on the YT video that goes to SP not blog. Still, IMO, not a problem as there is no promotion here nor in the video.
        If you Google the term Mary instructs the first link takes you straight to her blog with the "Mary and Kevin" link. That's one degree of separation, so it's not as great as you suggest. You may not have a financial interest in the product, but are any of your products promoted in the interview? Even if the answer is no, it still does promote your name, doesn't it?

        I'm not trying to make trouble here, if I wanted to do that I'd have reported the thread. I'm just trying to understand why the rules all of a sudden seem arbitrary. I guess the lesson is, if we want to promote something we just have a friend do it for us, eh? Gotcha! And when we all do that, this forum turns into just what the no self-promotion rule was designed to prevent, with one degree of separation, of course, so that makes it all right according to you.

        Mary is a beautiful woman, and you're a clever fellow to bend the rules like this, but if everyone did that this forum would would go straight downhill, don't you think? John promotes Joe's product, a week later Joe promotes Johns product. Then Clem and Jake get in on the act, then Alice and Gertrude. Then Sam, Jen, and Bill go three-way with it so it's less obvious. What would the forum be like then, Kevin?

        I hope I'm wrong, but I can see all the forum spammers making deals with their buddies right now. I think you've set a bad precedent here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Kevin Riley
          Originally Posted by Dennis Gaskill View Post

          If you Google the term Mary instructs the first link takes you straight to her blog with the "Mary and Kevin" link. That's one degree of separation, so it's not as great as you suggest.
          Grasping at straws? If you Google the term? Yeah, I'll bet there's been just a huge number of people doing that. Maybe you haver nothing better to do in your life, but I can't really see too many suddenly getting inspired to Google a term after seeing a post with a video in it.

          You may not have a financial interest in the product, but are any of your products promoted in the interview? Even if the answer is no, it still does promote your name, doesn't it?
          Nope. I believe at the end Mary did ask me what my main site was. That's par for any interview. No product was promoted. It was just an informative interview shot while I was waiting to leave Atlanta. And, I don't think I need more promotion of my name here. Most Warriors know who I am. However, you've done a damn good job of promoting this interview of Mary's with all your innuendos. I shall ask her to send you a thank you card.


          you're a clever fellow to bend the rules like this, but if everyone did that this forum would would go straight downhill, don't you think?
          Be careful. You're treading on thin ice with your unfounded accusations.
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  • Profile picture of the author jazbo
    It certainly reaches odd factor 5, not sure if it is clever or just a dumb thing to do though.
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  • Profile picture of the author askloz
    She's a big fibber.

    That is a green or blue screen, can tell by the quality of the video.

    Remember, she's a politician? It's her job, well at least, to talk a load of nonsense just to get votes. (no offense)

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    Seemed to be sane enough to me, until today. Mary sent me this video. I asked her if that was greenscreen. Nope, she is actuially standing out in the cold in her bikini. I can only imagine what the neighbours think now.
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  • Profile picture of the author menj
    LOL I'll bet that the video has gained many eyeballs, if nothing else
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  • Profile picture of the author Jimian
    She should be making diet, health, & fitness videos for 50 and older crowd! The women would flock to her!
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  • Profile picture of the author Kim Standerline
    She is only 2 years younger than me. (I am so jealous)

    I want to say mean bitchy things about her but I can't cos she looks so nice.

    And for what it's worth, I think she's really brave for doing it in a bikini. And why not, if I had a figure like that, I'd certainly be flaunting it (sigh)

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  • Profile picture of the author bettersocial
    That headline caught my attention. I would at least check out something like this, but I would have a hard time trusting someone who stands in a bikini in snow. I may be just too tempted to dump them into the "Crazy" pile.
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  • Profile picture of the author DanPE
    Sorry, but all I was thinking was "if her thighs were any tighter she'd fall over."
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  • Profile picture of the author XX
    No offense, but this is internet marketing, being in a bathing suit to promote your business is completely irrelevant and IMHO sleaze marketing.

    Kind of ridiculous for a 50 year old women to stand around in a bikini just to try and get some extra exposure for her youtube video, I understand that you are attempting to be quirky and unusual, but it is very unlikely this video is going to go viral, I truly hope it does and wish you the best, but at this point you are just exploiting yourself for less than 1,000 youtube views. If that was my mom I would give her an earfull.

    I feel that the negative impact on credibility as the spokesperson and creator of your product will outweigh any potential increased viewership this advertisement would elicit.

    You are an attractive older woman and obviously very intelligent, but I feel you're selling yourself short....
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken Strong
      Originally Posted by XX View Post

      No offense, but this is internet marketing, being in a bathing suit to promote your business is completely irrelevant and IMHO sleaze marketing.
      LOL. Yes, this is a gross violation of the decades-old tradition of conservative propriety and sober demeanor that has always characterized Internet Marketing.
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      • Profile picture of the author XX
        Originally Posted by KenStrong View Post

        LOL. Yes, this is a gross violation of the decades-old tradition of conservative propriety and sober demeanor that has always characterized Internet Marketing.

        ahhah, true, I'm not arguing against that ad from any moral or ethical standpoint, I just feel that there are better ways to promote this kind of product and that particular method is innappropriate. When I'm buying marketing literature I'd look for intelligent, authoritative marketing,

        There's plenty of room on the internet for sleaze marketing, it has made fortunes, believe me I know, I am just giving my grain of advice...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    It's entertaining and unusual - but wouldn't cause me to take her seriously as a business person.

    As a woman I think it's a bit silly but definitely might gain attention.
    As a marketer, I think it's lame.

    Bikini in the snow would be a great angle for a workout site, though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Big Al
    I don't really think it works - bit too gimicky and the image has nothing with the dream she's selling. Standing outside in the cold in a bikini? Not sure what it's got to do with the 'internet lifestyle' most are chasing.

    On the other hand - you living in Japan, running a business from your own home does it for me since that's what my idea of a good time is!

    And "No" I can't believe she's fifty!
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    • Profile picture of the author Elmer Hurlstone
      I found this thread because Kevin mentioned me in it and it popped up on a Google alert for my name.

      Naturally, because I know both Mary and Kevin I watched the video. But only a couple or twelve times.

      Let's face it, most of us, for a variety of reasons, couldn't successfully pull off something so seemingly outlandish.

      There appear to be conflicting opinions on the usefulness of this as a marketing method. To say the least it's a bit controversial.

      Controversy is not always a bad thing. Quite a few of us are old enough to remember ABC Sports commentator Howard Cosell. During his tenure at ABC he was hated by half his audience and loved by the other half.

      And it all added up to ratings. Fans and detractors watched and ABC profited.

      Many of the comments in this thread have referred to Mary's stunning physique. Male and female posters have mentioned that she is in, obviously, great shape/condition. And rightly so.

      One thing I've learned from hanging around here for the past few years is to listen to the market and it will tell you what it wants.

      This following bit is personal for Mary:

      Mary,

      It looks like the folks here think your video is fine for the fitness/health niche, particularly the "over 40" section of it.

      You may wish to seriously consider working that.

      So, the next time it snows in Atlanta, grab your camera and a white or blue bikini (I don't care for hot pink) and get to work.

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  • Profile picture of the author Dennis Gaskill
    I'm sorry you feel that way, Kevin. I just think it sets a bad precedent, that's all. I said in both my posts I may not understand the policy and gave you a chance to explain it. I would have thought a long time member such as yourself would welcome a chance to educate me as to why the rules are not arbitrary. Maybe my mistake was not sending you a PM with my concerns, but I thought others might learn something too.

    Anyway, I'm done with it. Like I said I wasn't trying to cause trouble. Sorry to have troubled you.
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