How do I prove that web site content is mine to Google?

13 years ago

Google is just a search engine and just displays results from sites. I think if you have an issue you need to go to the domain registrar or hosting company to get a site removed.

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carlos123

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mikeroosa

Google is just a search engine and just displays results from sites. I think if you have an issue you need to go to the domain registrar or hosting company to get a site removed.

Not true Mike. Google responds to DCMA take down requests. Granted that they give the offending site an opportunity to come back and say something before they do that but if there is no response after a period of time, Google will take the site out (may only apply to Blogger but may also apply to their search engine...I need to research that more).

At least that was the case last I read about this.

Here's one about filing such a take down notice at Blogger (Filing a DMCA Complaint to Google Gets Easy)

Here's the form at Google that you can use (Contact Us - Google Help)

And here are instructions on filing a DCMA take down notice with Google (How to File An Online DMCA Complaint With Google | eHow.com)

Mind you this can take a while. Several weeks but from what I understand it is perfectly doable.

Google has no choice but to abide by the provisions of the DCMA law!

Carlos

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linkninja

13 years ago

Hi,

simply put, there isn't a foolproof way to protect your content.

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LastWarrior

13 years ago

One thing you can do is take your webpages and print off them off
individually, then mail them to yourself certified. Once you receive
them, put them in a folder and NEVER open the letter. That way
you'll have some sort of documentation and the date you had your
information created.

Another idea is use a program like Camtasia... the screen capture
video program. Start out at time.gov to prove the time, then go
to your folder that has the html pages you have created and show
them one at a time. Then go to copyscape and see if there are
current wording that is the same or similar. Then go to Google
and use words that are actually in the text of your pages. Be sure
when you search to have "quotes" around your search phrases. If
any matches come back, they will be exact matches. Once you've
shown there are no instances of exact matches, that wraps up
your video.

In these circumstances, you can show some semblance of record
keeping to hopefully show your originality if the need arises.

I think this is all for naught though. All someone has to do is spin
your text a bit and they can't be found guilty of plagiarism.

Good luck,

LastWarrior

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CDarklock

13 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

given that it will undoubtedly be ripped off by any number of individuals, how I can prove to Google that it is mine and that I am the original author?

Given that you do not have this problem yet, why are you worrying about how to solve it? Cross that bridge when you come to it.

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carlos123 13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Given that you do not have this problem yet, why are you worrying about how to solve it? Cross that bridge when you come to it.

Because it pays to be prepared. Once the cat is out of the bag (i.e. the content I am creating gets put online) it's...well...out.

I am not overly sweating it mind you, despite appearances on this thread, in that I will put the content up regardless but I do want to take steps to better prepare myself when (not if) my content is ripped off.

Incidentally I have experienced this problem before though not with my own sites. It was a client's site content that got ripped off. We dealt with it in a slightly different way but we did deal with it.

The content I am talking about is an affiliate goldmine. It is unlike the usual affiliate stuff and has tremendous potential.

So there will be a lot of desire I think to simply copy it, change the affiliate links to one's own, and use it without permission.

Carlos
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goindeep 13 years ago

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Given that you do not have this problem yet, why are you worrying about how to solve it? Cross that bridge when you come to it.

Totally agree.

Why are you wasting your energy on something that has not even happened yet?
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- JMB Marketing Group 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Andrei Rotariu
  
  Totally agree.
  
  Why are you wasting your energy on something that has not even happened yet?
  
  It's called BEING PREPARED, JUST IN CASE!
  
  In other words, someone being over-analytical. It's not a bad trait to possess. Really!
  
  As a matter of fact, I always have a Plan A, B and C in place ... JUST IN CASE!
  
  You can never be TOO CAREFUL in any endeavour that you're embarking on! Especially with all the rules and regulations imposed on us on the 'net (and in the offline world in general)!
  
  Just saying!
  
  JMB
  
  P.S. Rather be safe than sorry!
  
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Linda_C

13 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

I am getting ready to start uploading some web page content I have been working on making it accessible over the internet and was wondering, given that it will undoubtedly be ripped off by any number of individuals, how I can prove to Google that it is mine and that I am the original author?

I mean I am putting a copyright notice on it but big deal...someone can just make up such a notice.

The reason I am asking about Google is that if I find such ripped off content I will lodge a DCMA take down notice with Google and take the offending website out of their search rankings altogether. But of course I have to prove that it's mine.

How do I do that?

Yikes.... you have a few things mixed up, and one spot on. Yes, your content will get ripped off, copied and scraped. It happens to everyone.

Google doesn't care that it's yours. That's not their job. Their job is to give searchers what they're looking for. Nothing more, nothing less. So all they do is index content and rank what they find. They don't care if that's on your site or on a legitimate syndication site or a scraper site. Best ranked page gets the brownie points, no matter who owns it.

Also, when someone rips off your content, it's not Google you file a 'take down' notice with, it's the host of the site. If they care. Some don't. Lots of offshore hosts don't care about copyright. Hardcore ripoff artists don't usually host in countries that care about copyright.

So... best things you can do to protect yourself...

1) Use an odd phrase or unusual combination of words somewhere in your article. Then set up a Google Alert to notify you of anything Google indexes containing that exact phrase.

2) Use absolute urls (starting with http) within the article linking back to your home page -- also in your sig file. That way, if it gets scraped it links to you and you can find it.

3) Right after you post your content (each piece) go out and ping it, submit via RSS and bookmark in Social Bookmarks. Get a good sized handful of backlinks every time. It will help establish that yours was posted first before the scrapers and copycats found it.

Hope that helps some..

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carlos123

13 years ago

Hi Linda,

Excellent suggestions even if your statement about Google having nothing to do with offending content scraped and copied illegally is incorrect.

Carlos

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sunray

13 years ago

There is no way you can protect the idea of the "goldmine". After publishing, anyone can take it, write their own copy, and publish under their own name. And if it's as good as you say, they most certainly will. If you wish to keep it to yourself, you have to keep it secret.

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carlos123

13 years ago

Originally Posted by sunray

There is no way you can protect the idea of the "goldmine". After publishing, anyone can take it, write their own copy, and publish under their own name. And if it's as good as you say, they most certainly will. If you wish to keep it to yourself, you have to keep it secret.

Not quite. While the idea is certainly not copyrightable or even able to be protected the type of content, by it's very nature, is difficult to copy and pass off as your own,.

It is very involved and technical in nature such that you could not easily copy it, reword it just a bit, and presto...you have something stolen that you made your own. Rewording it, if you don't even know what the subject matter is about, will make it a mess.

It would be like writing documentation for PHP. Who has ripped that off? No one.

At least with respect to duplicating the content and competing with the actual PHP documentation. It's not an easy thing to do at all.

It's not like copying some content about how to put on makeup

Carlos

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JMB Marketing Group

13 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

I am getting ready to start uploading some web page content I have been working on making it accessible over the internet and was wondering, given that it will undoubtedly be ripped off by any number of individuals, how I can prove to Google that it is mine and that I am the original author?

I mean I am putting a copyright notice on it but big deal...someone can just make up such a notice.

The reason I am asking about Google is that if I find such ripped off content I will lodge a DCMA take down notice with Google and take the offending website out of their search rankings altogether. But of course I have to prove that it's mine.

How do I do that?

Anybody?

Carlos

PS. For any fellow Americans among the readers of this thread I feel I must tell you in no uncertain terms that I will not take anything you say in response as legal advice LOL. So...well...fire away

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I say let them copy and paste.

What that means is that anyone that copies and pastes any info from your site and emails to others or tries to use it on their own site, blog, or Facebook site, it redirects back to your site = priceless!

Go here to this website and watch the video, it explains everything on how it works to YOUR ADVANTAGE:

Tynt » Leverage the benefit of copy / paste

This is a brilliant free tool available that will blow your mind.

This is a good thing!

Cheers,

JMB

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Jill Carpenter

13 years ago

Originally Posted by LastWarrior

One thing you can do is take your webpages and print off them off
individually, then mail them to yourself certified. Once you receive
them, put them in a folder and NEVER open the letter. That way
you'll have some sort of documentation and the date you had your
information created.

Actually, I used to think this was a verifiable poor mans copyright, but it is not.

The Myth of Poor Man’s Copyright

As for making a video, etc - all these things can be fudged.

You want to copyright something? Pay the fee and fill out the form.

Seriously, if you don't want anyone to take your content, don't put it up freely on the web.

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carlos123

13 years ago

Hi JMB.

Yes...for sure, I can see the benefit of allowing what I create to go viral and be put on all kinds of web sites. I hope to do just that but there are some sections that simply don't lend themselves to a viral approach I don't think.

Still...if I can do it virally I will. No question.

Which of course means letting, indeed encouraging people to copy all over the place

Carlos

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JMB Marketing Group

13 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

Hi JMB.

Yes...for sure, I can see the benefit of allowing what I create to go viral and be put on all kinds of web sites. I hope to do just that but there are some sections that simply don't lend themselves to a viral approach I don't think.

Still...if I can do it virally I will. No question.

Which of course means letting, indeed encouraging people to copy all over the place

Carlos

Glad to be of service, Carlos.

However, what do you mean when you say "but there are some sections that simply don't lend themselves to a viral approach I don't think"!

JMB

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carlos123

13 years ago

Originally Posted by JMB Marketing Group

However, what do you mean when you say "but there are some sections that simply don't lend themselves to a viral approach I don't think"!

On one page I was working on for example...I had the following in the page...

Click here to find out which hosting company I recommend.

Obviously the "Click here" was a link. I had intended on having that link go to a page on my site where I would presell the benefits of hosting with a particular host that of course pays me $50 to $75 per new customer I bring them and before sending them off to the host (I've hosted with them for several years and they truly are an outstanding host).

Call me thick headed but...well..it dawned on me that instead of clicking through to a page where I presell them I could just send them off the host in question who would do their own selling.

That way my pages would not have to be tied to my site at all and could be spread about far and wide with my affiliate links in the content.

So as far as copying goes...I think what JMB said makes sense. Let the copying begin LOL.

Carlos

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JMB Marketing Group

13 years ago

Originally Posted by carlos123

On one page I was working on for example...I had the following in the page...

Obviously the "Click here" was a link. I had intended on having that link go to a page on my site where I would presell the benefits of hosting with a particular host that of course pays me $50 to $75 per new customer I bring them and before sending them off to the host (I've hosted with them for several years and they truly are an outstanding host).

Call me thick headed but...well..it dawned on me that instead of clicking through to a page where I presell them I could just send them off the host in question who would do their own selling.

That way my pages would not have to be tied to my site at all and could be spread about far and wide with my affiliate links in the content.

So as far as copying goes...I think what JMB said makes sense. Let the copying begin LOL.

Carlos

Carlos, Got Cha!

Yes! Let the Copying and Pasting BEGIN!

Wishing you lots of free backlinks and free SEO success! And, ultimately $$$$$ success, all because of this awesome free tool that you can use to YOUR ADVANTAGE!

Cheers,

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revenue27

13 years ago

Well you can copyright your content, if you're worried that it will be use by others, you can also put a disclaimer at your site so anyone who uses or reproduces your work must give you full credit, this way if you own the copyright and if you find that someone is profiting from your work and that you have not been compensated, you can file a copyright infringement suit against them.

Here is the link to copyright office’s web site: U.S. Copyright Office

Hope that can help you a bit.

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carlos123

13 years ago

How does the following sound you all?

The content of this page may be freely copied and used but only through the medium of the Internet. You may insert it into web sites, distribute the content in newsletters and over email (no spam), and otherwise make it available. All content must remain as is including all links and you must include the following copyright notice "Copyright (C) 2011 mysite.com Used by permission.

mysite.com is just a made up name.

Carlos

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simonbuzz

Banned 13 years ago

After publishing the content there is noway you can keep it from being republished...

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JMB Marketing Group 13 years ago

Originally Posted by simonbuzz

After publishing the content there is noway you can keep it from being republished...

Yes, you're correct. However, if you've been following my posts, you can see how it can benefit YOU if and when people try to copy and paste your content!

Perhaps you should re-read, go to the link that I've provided, and watch the video (from that link) to see how it can benefit YOU if people try to copy your content.

By the way, this is a FREE tool, so it's a no-brainer!

Cheers,

JMB
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samuraig

13 years ago

There's a nifty site called Copyscape that you can use to check for duplicate content on the web and you can grab one of their banners to shun away anyone trying to copy your stuff.

copyscape.com

They also have some information about responding to plagiarism in case it happens to your copy.

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