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16 years ago

thanks, I clicked on "work with us" and got a 404. I am starting to doubt their skills.

It is nice to know there is someone out there doing this, but shouldnt there be more people ??

I think there is room for more people and in this economy, it might be their saving grace for some companies.

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Mike Hill

16 years ago

PM me some more information of what it is you're looking for. I can't promise anything ... I only work in certain markets that I know extremely well.

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Originally Posted by oortcloud

I would never buy mass control, not because it doesnt work, but because I could never implement it.

How many people do you think that buy mass control have problems implementing ? How many people really actually use it ?

I think the gurus overlook the fact that their customers dont have the skills or resources or know where to source the resources to implement the changes they teach. I could never make a video, I could never write emails etc. and what I mean by that is that I couldnt do it with sufficient creative quality. It is effortless for Frank to write an email and shoot a video and maybe that is where the disconnect comes from.

I am not an idiot, I am just not a creative personable communicator/marketer. I am a physcial product inventor and really good at it. With horrible marketing I have still managed to get $3 million in sales. With better marketing and mass control I could make much more, I recognize it but cant do it myself.

So my question is are there people out there that buy mass control who are service providers that will do a launch for you ? If so, you never hear about them. If there is a place to go to find one please tell me. If you do this please speak up or pm me.

I think someone could really clean up by doing other peoples launches on commission. I think it might be a wiser investment for some if you paid someone else the $2k instead of frank (plus commission). Heck, maybe someone would be willing to do it for straight commission and cost you nothing up front.

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Joseph Then

16 years ago

That's the reason why Frank offers a 60 days money back guarantee.

Buy the shit, try the shit, don't like the shit, return the shit.

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oortcloud 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

That's the reason why Frank offers a 60 days money back guarantee.

Buy the shit, try the shit, don't like the shit, return the shit.

You are missing the point. I know what it is, I know what it involves which is why I stated confidently I cant do it.
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- askloz 16 years ago
  
  Dude, you need to have more confidence in your self.
  
  If you've got the ability to make $3million, then you can do this.
  
  I appreciate the fact that you want to stick with what you're good at. I was the same way at first, it's a drag to learn something new that takes away your time from what you do best...
  
  I look at it as an investment in ones self. I like to raise my limits high and see if I can reach them. Most of the times I do reach them, other times, I don't, but at least I know I tried.
  
  Personally, I like to learn new things... once I know something inside out, I can help others do the same, more so within my work force, I train ppl up so they do what I once did, ya know, the 20-80 business rule.
  
  Why not grab it (if it's still available) and see what it's like... listen, if a 13yr old kid can do this, you can do it too.
  
  I've seen some of the Info Millionaire" stuff and all most of it is, is just as Frank said, copy and paste some stuff... a brain dead monkey can do this.
  
  Give it a go, if you don't understand all the techniques, have someone study it for you in your work force, and let them take your business to the next level...
  
  Originally Posted by oortcloud
  
  You are missing the point. I know what it is, I know what it involves which is why I stated confidently I cant do it.
  
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  elliec 16 years ago
  
  I agree with you on the confidence thing...I bought it and am anxiously awaiting it's delivery. As for the 13 year old kid.....have you listened to him? Not your average kid to be sure! Must be pretty special for his parents to allow him to live after purchasing a 2k program without permission!! Wonder how he did that!??
  
  Anyway, I think it is premature and negative to think you can't do something without trying. Give it a go and then decide.
  
  Originally Posted by askloz
  
  Why not grab it (if it's still available) and see what it's like... listen, if a 13yr old kid can do this, you can do it too.
  
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- Joseph Then 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by oortcloud
  
  You are missing the point. I know what it is, I know what it involves which is why I stated confidently I cant do it.
  
  That's the point I'm trying to make. How do you know that you cannot do it untill you and unless you try it out?
  
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  lakshaybehl 16 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Joseph Then
  
  That's the point I'm trying to make. How do you know that you cannot do it untill you and unless you try it out?
  
  He might not have the time/will to do it. Nothing wrong with that.
  
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MeTellYou 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Joseph Then

That's the reason why Frank offers a 60 days money back guarantee.

Buy the shit, try the shit, don't like the shit, return the shit.

Exactly.

You really don't have to be much of a genius to use mass control. Writing emails is a copywriting skill and there are many people here that will gladly help you if you $ask$ I am sure that if you ask, they'll also teach you how to make a video.

I hope this helps.
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Scott Million

16 years ago

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I think the gurus overlook the fact that their customers dont have the skills or resources or know where to source the resources to implement the changes they teach.

I think it's laziness... the world is full of "brilliant bums"

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Jeremy Kelsall 16 years ago

oortcloud

It is all about confidence, seriously.

I'm about as uncreative as they come...that's no lie!!

However, when I first started getting Clickbank checks for a couple thousand each I started getting more confident and increased my earnings using methods that required some personal interactions with people.

Then I started launching my own products and making even more money when combining that with affiliate sales....

Now my ass is on videos all the time -- a couple webinars a week -- things that I never would have thought I could do.

You will really be surprised at what some positive thoughts and confidence will do for your bank account.

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SeanIM

16 years ago

"can't do it"

seems like you might have more issues than simple logistics...

and I'd wager it's more accurate to state

"don't want to do it"

or

"don't believe I can do it"

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GlobalBloke

16 years ago

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I would never buy mass control, not because it doesnt work, but because I could never implement it.

How many people do you think that buy mass control have problems implementing ? How many people really actually use it ?

I think the gurus overlook the fact that their customers dont have the skills or resources or know where to source the resources to implement the changes they teach. I could never make a video, I could never write emails etc. and what I mean by that is that I couldnt do it with sufficient creative quality. It is effortless for Frank to write an email and shoot a video and maybe that is where the disconnect comes from.

I am not an idiot, I am just not a creative personable communicator/marketer. I am a physcial product inventor and really good at it. With horrible marketing I have still managed to get $3 million in sales. With better marketing and mass control I could make much more, I recognize it but cant do it myself.

So my question is are there people out there that buy mass control who are service providers that will do a launch for you ? If so, you never hear about them. If there is a place to go to find one please tell me. If you do this please speak up or pm me.

I think someone could really clean up by doing other peoples launches on commission. I think it might be a wiser investment for some if you paid someone else the $2k instead of frank (plus commission). Heck, maybe someone would be willing to do it for straight commission and cost you nothing up front.

Hi Oortcloud. These people do launches" mindvalley "dot" com but probably not for your kind of products...

Cheers

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lakshaybehl

16 years ago

Come on guys... This guy is selling SHIT worth MILLIONS. I am sure he doesn't want to learn all that...

I mean what the heck... Once I chose what I am an expert at, I will just literally network with masterminds on other topics and partner up with them. Nothing wrong with that. In fact I am already doing this in one project and I have seen VERY good results so far. I am going to test this idea with more projects.

The OP is right on the spot. Many people who will learn MC will not have a list and a product, this dude does so he can network with them and hire them on a commission. Maybe test out 4-5 MC dudes by splitting his list into 5 parts and then finally seal the deal with the "real Deal".

@OP:

Don't let anyone change the way you're thinking. I know its awesome. You are right on the track to make millions more than you are doing. Find a MC student who's willing to help, discuss the deal and get going. At even 25% commissions on profits we are looking at a healthy fraction of a million... Half or quarter. Not bad for writing a couple of emails and video scripts, eh?

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Aj Wilson

16 years ago

I dont "get" you...

You wont buy mass control, but somehow you abra-cadab-ra-lly magically know it wont work for you?

you make $3 Million in sales, yet it sounds like you have no confidence in yourself?

With $3 Million I'd hire 10 HOT freggin promo gurls to do the launch with me... (then have a mass orgy afterwards) ...

Sounds like you need to inject some fun into your marketing dude...
Dont really think its a mass control problem?

all the best anywayz

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Tsnyder

16 years ago

Man... tough crowd... lol

Look... it's great to know your strengths but the wise
man also knows his weaknesses. The OP knows his
strengths... obviously... he's sold 3 million bucks worth
of something.

He obviously is also willing to acknowledge his weakness...
the special set of skills required to do a successful product
launch.

I see no reason whatsoever for him to beat his head
against the wall trying to master a whole new set of
skills he already knows are his weakness.

Some smart marketer who possesses those skills will
hook up with him and make a ton of money.

Isn't that what JVs are for...

Tsnyder

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lakshaybehl

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Tsnyder

Man... tough crowd... lol

Look... it's great to know your strengths but the wise
man also knows his weaknesses. The OP knows his
strengths... obviously... he's sold 3 million bucks worth
of something.

He obviously is also willing to acknowledge his weakness...
the special set of skills required to do a successful product
launch.

I see no reason whatsoever for him to beat his head
against the wall trying to master a whole new set of
skills he already knows are his weakness.

Some smart marketer who possesses those skills will
hook up with him and make a ton of money.

Isn't that what JVs are for...

Tsnyder

Tsynder!

That was exactly my point here... I really know for a fact that people who think they need to have all skill sets in one small mass of chunk between their ears really are in for a shock. Sooner or later they will discover it's always great to focus on things you feel confident about.

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Roy Carter

16 years ago

A bit off topic, but a quick note to SeanIM who posted above...

Dude the text above your photo doesn't work! I saw it and IMMEDIATELY started thinking about rabbits!

Change it man, it's not working!

Roy

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SeanIM

16 years ago

I know it's great huh!?

One of my favorite pieces of verbage that came out of some NLP training I went through several years ago.

Just pointing out that if you say something... you are focusing on it whether you like it or not...so be mindful of the things you consider speaking about in ref to things you 'don't want'

:-)

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Originally Posted by Roy Carter

A bit off topic, but a quick note to SeanIM who posted above...

Dude the text above your photo doesn't work! I saw it and IMMEDIATELY started thinking about rabbits!

Change it man, it's not working!

Roy

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Nathan Hangen

16 years ago

That's my plan. I've got a few products that I will launch of my own, but nothing big ticket. In the meantime, I will be selling my skill set.

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Martin Luxton 16 years ago

I think the wise people are not posting here telling the OP to have a go.

They are sending him PMs offering to take the $2,000 and a percentage of a $3 million business. What an opportunity!

Wish I was a product launch specialist.

Martin
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Asher

16 years ago

Originally Posted by oortcloud

I am not an idiot, I am just not a creative personable communicator/marketer. I am a physcial product inventor and really good at it. With horrible marketing I have still managed to get $3 million in sales. With better marketing and mass control I could make much more, I recognize it but cant do it myself.

So my question is are there people out there that buy mass control who are service providers that will do a launch for you ? If so, you never hear about them. If there is a place to go to find one please tell me. If you do this please speak up or pm me.

I'm trying not to be distracted by your $3 million in sales...
that's AWESOME.

Anyway, I think I recognize what's going on here... you're
not saying you can't do it - you just know that if you did
according to Frank's style, you might gain in the short
moment but it's not really "you".

The key part to Frank's stuff is all about personality, in my
opinion.

If you can't do it, why not create a person who can do it
for you? Think Rich Jerk... you can use a caricature to be
the face of your marketer. If you don't want that, you can
surely hire an actor to do it for you.

At least that's what Kelly Fe... uh, Rich Jerk, did. :p

Asher

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oortcloud 16 years ago

I first want to say thank you for everyones feedback.

I am looking to outsource my launch but I also wanted to throw the question out there to see why more people arent more visible in marketing launches for people. It would seem to be a great business model for those skilled in launches but dont have a product and it would obviously help those who are on my side of the fence who arent skilled in doing a launch but would benefit from it.

Like I said while Frank does a great job in terms of content and teaching (not to mention entertaining) I bet there are alot of people that still dont do a launch and I think that either Frank is overlooking that or the secondary market is overlooking that gaping hole. When I say Frank is overlooking that fact, I dont mean he has an obligation to do something about it. I mean it could be turned into a secondary revenue stream for him. Perhaps he could have a more expensive upper level training (that he could make even more money from) and the students could then be "MC certified" and have a directory that he could maintain. Heck maybe he could even make a cut of the students launches by offering a little support or to look things over during the launches. I have seen many different business models do this and it can be a very symbiotic relationship.
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Mangozoom

16 years ago

Tell you wat let me have some of the $3m and i'll help you ... it would be my pleasure honest

Good honest post though I am a great believer in playing in position and to ones strengths. It is obvious that you are doing well because you understand what you do well.

John

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Elliott

16 years ago

I am not buying masscontrol 2 either, but I think Kern is offering more than just a bunch of educational materials here - part of his offer is, you get to go to his seminar in San Diego free.
I think that is the real opportunity - to meet with other Masscontrol students and perhaps develop JV possibilities. You could meet some folks who complement your weaknesses with their strengths.
At the same time you might develop some strengths you didn't have before, from Kern's mentoring while there.

It sounds like you are intellectually interested in the concepts and methods, but shy away from trying to implement them yourself.

I see that seminar as an opportunity to meet others who might be helpful to you, and start working out a deal.

It might be time to take the plunge. I would be upfront while there, about what you are looking for.

Of course it's possible nothing would come of it for you, but "Nothing ventured, nothing gained." (If you can afford it, of course.)

Elliott

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Steadyon 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Elliott

part of his offer is, you get to go to his seminar in San Diego free.

Elliott

I know what you mean, but it is definitely not "free". You would just have paid $1997 and not to mention travelling and hotels etc...

It is a nice bonus, but definitely designed to get people to stick around on the MC2 program.

More and more "gurus" are doing this kind of "free" seminar thing after their launches.

Pagan, Stompernet, Kern and probably a number of others I can't remember have done so recently.

You are just another person in a room, at minimal cost, helping the organisers to create another DVD course of the event.

I've no problem with that at all, just don't think it is free.
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John Taylor

16 years ago

Originally Posted by oortcloud

Huge Mass Control problem

That's a very misleading thread title

I would never buy mass control, not because it doesnt work, but because I could never implement it.

That's not a problem with Frank's product, that's
to do with your shortcomings.

How many people do you think that buy mass control have problems implementing ?

Those people with the motivation and determination
to implement it are unlikely to have any major issues,
especially when they will have access to Frank's MC
community.

How many people really actually use it ?

Different question. Lots of people buy the latest big
ticket item because they want the kudos of being
in the owners club. Or they want it for educational
or entertainment value. Not everyone wants to use
the product.

I think the gurus overlook the fact that their customers dont have the skills or resources or know where to source the resources to implement the changes they teach. I could never make a video, I could never write emails etc. and what I mean by that is that I couldnt do it with sufficient creative quality. It is effortless for Frank to write an email and shoot a video and maybe that is where the disconnect comes from.

Not the sellers problem. As long as the product is
accurately described then it's up to the customer
to make the decision to buy or not.

I am not an idiot, I am just not a creative personable communicator/marketer. I am a physcial product inventor and really good at it. With horrible marketing I have still managed to get $3 million in sales. With better marketing and mass control I could make much more, I recognize it but cant do it myself.

Who says you have to do it yourself? Mass
Control is a system that can be outsourced.

So my question is are there people out there that buy mass control who are service providers that will do a launch for you ? If so, you never hear about them. If there is a place to go to find one please tell me. If you do this please speak up or pm me.

So that's the real purpose of starting this
thread.. you're looking for people who bought
Mass Control to offer you a service.

Why didn't you just come out and say that?

In fact why didn't you post a request in the
JV forum?

John

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