Can I Submit Same article to multiple Directories?

Banned 14 years ago

Hi mtrentin,

You just did a good decision to ask this question.

If you were to allow me to revise your question, I would put it like this "Should I submit the same article to multiple directories?"

You should not do that. Google is penalizing those who play a trick on the system. Not only will those other articles be treated as duplicates, Google will also give less to zero value to those duplicate articles. I have mentioned this several times but I am going to say it again for you. Google's definition of quality is expensive. It is. You will have to invest on quality content, which means non-spun content. There are SEO providers out there who will tell you "Oh yeah, let's just spin one article 5 to 10 times so Google won't penalize you and so you can save a few bucks." Yes, you just saved a few bucks, maybe a hundred, at that very moment but you've just planned a foreseeable day when you need to invest more than you planned for.

Always remember that you need to provide content for human eyes; more than just for search engines. I have been running my content writing services since 2005 and never did I accept any order that requires us to spin an article. I know that's money but I will always stay on my principle of providing true quality to people.

Also, never do link exchanges.

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jwmann2

14 years ago

No you should not and I have no idea why people continue to do so. It's pure laziness. Take something news worthy in your niche, summarize it, and then add your own flare to the article. It's not hard.
The Google Panda update has been cracking down hard on duplicate content. If you feel the need to ask a question out of uncertainty, usually the answer will be no.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jwmann2

The Google Panda update has been cracking down hard on duplicate content.

What's being discussed here isn't duplicate content: it's syndicated content. They're two different things: Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

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cjreynolds

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

What's being discussed here isn't duplicate content: it's syndicated content. They're two different things: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

I don't know how many times you and MYOB (and others) will have to say these things before people get it :rolleyes:

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mtrentin

14 years ago

Thanks for the response...
So is it even worth submitting articles to directories? Or is it better to create my own blog and try to market it?

I'm working for a start up company by the way, its not my business. IDK if that changes anything

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mindreaderwriter

Banned 14 years ago

My answer to both questions is a yes. Now, if you were to ask me which one to prioritize, I would say that you need to post your articles on your own blog first. Rewrite it or write an entirely new article and submit it to top article submission directories.

There are many SEO providers in Warrior Forum. Let's way for them to pour in their creative juices in this discussion. I'm not an SEO provider and I've just learned these through research. But when it comes to writing, feel free to let me know if you need my help.

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Thanks for the response...
So is it even worth submitting articles to directories? Or is it better to create my own blog and try to market it?

I'm working for a start up company by the way, its not my business. IDK if that changes anything

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juggerna623

14 years ago

Just to echo what was said earlier do not submit the same article to multiple directories. I echo because you said that you hear others say different.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Can I submit the same article to multiple directories?

Yes, you can. And they'll publish it (if it complies with their terms of service in other respects). It isn't "duplicate content". It's "syndicated content".

The difference is explained here: Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Is this a good practice?

Not really, no.

Arguably you might want to submit your articles to a couple of directories, rather than just to one (almost all of mine are in two directories, and some even in three), but once you really understand how article directories work, and how to use them, this is a question that doesn't arise all that much. And that's explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872 (and a little more in post #6 of the same thread).

There's certainly no "penalty" for submitting the same article to a few article directories, but there's no great benefit, either. It won't help your off-page SEO, if that's what you were wondering.

Definitely avoid mass-submitting to large numbers of directories, and especially using any mass automated submission-tools. That may well lead to penalities. And it's been without benefit for ages, anyway.

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Will google penalize me? I am hearing different things from different people so I hope to get this cleared up!

Unfortunately, it's a subject about which there's far more misinformation "out there" (and "in here", too) than information. :rolleyes: :p

I think the links above, and this thread from a couple of days ago (which requires careful reading!), probably answer your questions pretty clearly, succinctly and unambiguously: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...g-helpful.html

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mtrentin 14 years ago

I understand that submitting to multiple directories won't increase my SEO effort (more than submiting to one) But in my specific niche, good information is highly valued and hard to come by. From the articles, I am looking to gain traffic and potential sales more than SEO. I just wanted to make sure that my website wasn't going to be punished in anyway for the submissions.

It still seems like there are multiple perspectives on this issue lol
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CoachManny

14 years ago

Alexa....REALLY APPRECIATE THE KNOWLEDGE YOU SHARE HERE.

Do you recommend that each article is completely different? Reworded and no signs of duplication?

EzineArticles has been great for traffic.

Do I just leave it there? Not worry about other directories?

I hope I can ask this on this thread but what about Press Releases?

I would think same approach. With PR you want to submit to multiple places in hopes that others pick up your PR. If they do though then it seems like duplicated content on multiple sites.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Hey Coach ...

Originally Posted by CoachManny

Do you recommend that each article is completely different? Reworded and no signs of duplication?

I make my living from article syndication. Each copy of the article is almost identical. (But the original version, first published and indexed on my own site, has no resource box linking to my landing page, of course, because the people reading it are already on my site). But the multiple copies are on niche-relevant sites (to which they're syndicated), not mostly in article directories.

Originally Posted by CoachManny

EzineArticles has been great for traffic.

But less so now, than before, probably? (They've lost a lot of their traffic, over the last year or so: at one point, their traffic was over 75% down on what it had been a year earlier).

The thing is, with a less than 100% click-through rate, you're always better off getting the traffic coming directly to your own site and not going to EZA, by definition, simply because there's more of it, that way. The EZA copy is more for potential publishers/syndicators to read than for potential customers. Explained in this post.

Originally Posted by CoachManny

Do I just leave it there? Not worry about other directories?

I think it always varies a bit, from niche to niche. Admittedly, EZA is most potential publishers' instinctive "first port of call", though, just because it's the most well known one and one of the longest established.

I spent a little while when I started putting my article in hundreds of article directories (

), and then spent more than a year submitting to about 7 or 8 that I regarded as "good ones", and it didn't really help me at all.

I now submit them all the EZA and most of them additionally to either GoArticles or ArticlesBase, though I don't claim I get anything from those copies, really. (I just feel nervous submitting to only one, sometimes, on the "eggs and baskets" principle - it would be a real nuisance to me if EZA disappeared - not that I expect that at all!).

But some niches do have directories that are particularly relevant to that niche, and if there's one of those, you'd want to try that one, too?

Originally Posted by CoachManny

I hope I can ask this on this thread but what about Press Releases?

I'm sure ... but I can't help, there. Others will.

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mc9320

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Hey Coach ...

I make my living from article syndication. Each copy of the article is almost identical. (But the original version, first published and indexed on my own site, has no resource box linking to my landing page, of course, because the people reading it are already on my site). But the multiple copies are on niche-relevant sites (to which they're syndicated), not mostly in article directories.

Thanks again for all the useful info in this thread Alexa. Does this comment mean you slightly alter your article for other sites? (not spinning of course :rolleyes

If so, do you do this by adding or removing paragraphs of text? Or is it just the same with the addition of a resource box.

Although my approach to generating traffic does not rely on Google, I would like some SEO benefit from my articles. If you slightly alter your articles for different sites (without spinning) will this be better for SEO than just the same article on 20-30 sites?

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mtrentin

14 years ago

Alexa, those articles you gave me are from 2011. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that before panda/penguin?

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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Alexa, those articles you gave me are from 2011. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that before panda/penguin?

You see mtrentin, the thing about doing article marketing the correct way, is that it isn't affected by the panda or penguin.

Alexa knows her stuff and you would greatly do yourself a favor by reading them.

Good luck!

Terra
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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Alexa, those articles you gave me are from 2011. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't that before panda/penguin?

I think they're mostly (maybe entirely?) post-Panda, actually. Some are certainly pre-Penguin.

My observation above about the possibility of being penalized for automated mass submissions was made in the light of the recent Penguin update (I certainly don't believe that could possibly have attracted any penalties until recently).

The Penguin update has certainly not changed the classifications of "duplicate content" and "syndicated content". (Google, in fact, goes to quite some lengths to explain and clarify that they don't dislike syndicated content at all.)

The fact that there's no great benefit from mass automated submission to article directories has been valid for some years, anyway. That activity was only ever based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how article directories work, in a misguided attempt to use them for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic. In any case, for the reasons explained in this post, clearly no article marketer should want to attract potential customer traffic from an article directory to their own site.

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

You see mtrentin, the thing about doing article marketing the correct way, is that it isn't affected by the panda or penguin.

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akowally

13 years ago

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

I think they're mostly (maybe entirely?) post-Panda, actually. Some are certainly pre-Penguin.

My observation above about the possibility of being penalized for automated mass submissions was made in the light of the recent Penguin update (I certainly don't believe that could possibly have attracted any penalties until recently).

The Penguin update has certainly not changed the classifications of "duplicate content" and "syndicated content". (Google, in fact, goes to quite some lengths to explain and clarify that they don't dislike syndicated content at all.)

The fact that there's no great benefit from mass automated submission to article directories has been valid for some years, anyway. That activity was only ever based on a fundamental misunderstanding of how article directories work, in a misguided attempt to use them for their own backlinks and/or their own traffic. In any case, for the reasons explained in this post, clearly no article marketer should want to attract potential customer traffic from an article directory to their own site.

Exactly so.

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Alexa...Check out this line from Ezine

Submit your high-quality, original articles
for more exposure, credibility and traffic
back to your website.

Getting a backlink to your site via article directories is valid.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by akowally

Alexa...Check out this line from Ezine

Submit your high-quality, original articles
for more exposure, credibility and traffic
back to your website.

Getting a backlink to your site via article directories is valid.

Please excuse the observation that that seems to me to be evidence of the fact that the owner of Ezine Articles is announcing that getting a backlink from an article directory is valid, rather than evidence of the fact that getting a backlink from an article directory is valid. They're two rather different assertions, aren't they? :p

Naturally the owner of an article directory would love marketers to submit content not previously published (even though they don't require it, of course), but that doesn't make it a sensible thing to do from the marketer's own perspective.

Ezine Articles makes most of its own living from all the traffic that fails to reach your site.

All the people who click on the AdSense and go away. That's how most article directories are monetized.

It's easy to attract all that lost traffic directly to your own site instead. As explained in this thread and those linked to inside it: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

Here's the point: even as long ago as 2010, before all Google's 2011 series of "Panda updates" devalued the SEO potential of article directory backlinks so much, standard, established SEO-textbook writers were explaining in some detail why one would typically need many tens of thousands of those "backlinks" to confer the same linkjuice to your site's off-page SEO weighting as that arising from one backlink on a quality, relevant site. Nowadays, of course, the value of those backlinks has declined still further, as so many members attest to so regularly.

It's easily enough verifiable for yourself, too.

This isn't what article directories are for. These backlinks have no real value. They're all non-context-relevant (and PR-0) backlinks. As the saying goes "100,000 of those backlinks and $3.50 will buy you a cappuccino at Starbuck's".

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JohnMcCabe

13 years ago

Originally Posted by akowally

Alexa...Check out this line from Ezine

Submit your high-quality, original articles
for more exposure, credibility and traffic
back to your website.

Getting a backlink to your site via article directories is valid.

Adding to what Alexa said, let's look at the word "original"...

From the Bing.com dictionary:

"new: completely new and not copied or derived from something else"

That simply means something you, as author, came up with on your own as opposed to PLR, stolen content, multiple submissions of the same article with different keyword titles, etc. etc. It says nothing about previous publication.

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jeradparker

14 years ago

Of course not . Submitting same article on different article directories is not a good idea at all neither it is ethical for your readers. Firstly the article will be rejected by the article directories and if at all it is approved on these then google is definitely not going to spare you. So it is good to create new and fresh content which your readers like and share with their friends and followers.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by jeradparker

OFirstly the article will be rejected by the article directories

Heaven forbid that you should actually read the thread before replying to it. That's completely wrong. It will not be rejected by article directories.

If you want to learn something, rather than repeating misguided and factually incorrect urban myths, this thread would be as good a starting-place for you as any: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872
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CyborgX

14 years ago

Google ignores duplicate . That's a fact.
What you can do is 'spin' your article and then submit the variations to as many directories you like. Spinning alters articles sufficiently to bypass Google's duplicate content filter...

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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tear Stalker

Google ignores duplicate . That's a fact.

First, it isn't a "fact": duplicate content is indexed by Google just like any other sort of content, and they explain how and why that's so, repeatedly, on many of their own websites and blogs.

Secondly, what we're discussing in this thread isn't duplicate content: it's syndicated content.

If you want to learn something, rather than regurgitating these ill-informed and misguided theories from the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing, this little article might be a good starting-point for you: Article Marketers - Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing

Originally Posted by Tear Stalker

What you can do is 'spin' your article and then submit the variations to as many directories you like. Spinning alters articles sufficiently to bypass Google's duplicate content filter...

On the subject of "spinning", since it appears to interest you, I can suggest six little items to read, which will offer some real insight, if you're willing to read them ...

(i) This post explains the benefits of spinning;
(ii) This post, and its links, explain how article directories really work and why they exist;
(iii) The first half (or so) of this thread contains a good discussion of what you can gain from spinning articles;
(iv) The advice on this subject given by so many people throughout most of this thread has been really helpful to many people here;
(v) On the meaning and significance of "duplicate content", in this context, this little post from expert article marketer Anne Pottinger includes direct quotations from Google's WebMaster Central Blog on the subject (not easy to find a more authoritative source than that!);
(vi) This little article is also a very useful and accurate explanation of the subject.

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CyborgX

14 years ago

I would recommend getting off your wallet and buying The Best Spinner or similar software title that's sole purpose is to spin articles with accuracy. If you are not willing to purchasing the most essential tools for IM, chances are your successes will be few. Or you can Use Spin chimp basic (Free Version) to spin your articles and then submit. It is easy to use and free. Great for someone who is just starting in IM. Remember to read the articles after it is spun to remove grammatical errors etc.

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danr62

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tear Stalker

I would recommend getting off your wallet and buying The Best Spinner or similar software title that's sole purpose is to spin articles with accuracy. If you are not willing to purchasing the most essential tools for IM, chances are your successes will be few. Or you can Use Spin chimp basic (Free Version) to spin your articles and then submit. It is easy to use and free. Great for someone who is just starting in IM. Remember to read the articles after it is spun to remove grammatical errors etc.

Really? You think a spinner is one of the most essential tools for IM?

Sorry, but both Google and your readers demand quality, some spun to death junk that serves the sole purpose of manipulating a backlink profile with thousands of low quality links.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Tear Stalker

I would recommend getting off your wallet and buying The Best Spinner or similar software

You posted exactly that grotesquely misguided nonsense in this thread three weeks ago, and the post immediately above yours is responding to it, explaining in some detail why it's nonsense, and trying to help you, just in case you turned out to be willing to learn something, here, rather than continually churning out this garbage from the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing. :p

When you're digging up three-week-old threads in order to get a post in, and show your signature-file, it may help your credibility a little to take a look at the threads first, and see whether what you're just about to say was what you last said in the very same thread!

Originally Posted by danr62

Really? You think a spinner is one of the most essential tools for IM?

I think we're wasting our time, here, Dan.

He just digs up these old threads so that he can make a post, not even realising that he's already offered exactly the same garbage and been corrected on it three weeks earlier, and that was where the thread had come to rest.

He obviously doesn't even read the replies to his nonsense.
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abuhanifa

14 years ago

yes , you can submit it to multiple directories . first publish it to your web then spin it and publish that spun article to article directories . don't forget to rewrite those spun articles . at least make it readable . this will help you in ranking

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Mark Gray

14 years ago

I normally spin (manually spin which takes time) my articles if i wish to submit them to multiple article directories.

I normally aim for 75% unique and above and this seems to work for me.

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sudhanshu013

14 years ago

Originally Posted by mtrentin

Hi everyone, I have only been in the internet marketing business for 6 months and I really need some help with this...

Can I submit the same article to multiple directories? Is this a good practice?
Will google penalize me? I am hearing different things from different people so I hope to get this cleared up!

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For 1 one : I will never suggest you to o the same, you will hit on your own if you are doing same. You will never get freshness benefits ,

For 2nd one : Yes duplicate content may abuse your website, your keywords may punished.

GO through Best Link building practices, I am sure it will help you alot.

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mc9320

14 years ago

Originally Posted by sudhanshu013

For 1 one : I will never suggest you to o the same, you will hit on your own if you are doing same. You will never get freshness benefits ,

For 2nd one : Yes duplicate content may abuse your website, your keywords may punished.

GO through Best Link building practices, I am sure it will help you alot.

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Why would having your own content on other websites be detrimental to your site? It's syndicated content.

My only query is how much SEO benefit there is in having exactly the same article on multiple sites. I would like to generate traffic through article syndication, but would also like to appear high up in Google.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mc9320

I would like to generate traffic through article syndication, but would also like to appear high up in Google.

Especially in these post-Penguin days, article syndication is a particularly reliable and beneficial way to achieve good rankings, the point being that only the webmasters of sites relevant to your own will want to syndicate your articles, and relevance is the primary determinant of linkjuice. Almost all my backlinks are in the form of article syndication, and the recent Google algorithm-changes were enormously beneficial to my business, as they cleared out of the front-page SERP's so many competing sites which had gathered backlinks by automated/software submission, i.e. "spammy backlinks". Article syndication and mass/automated submission are, in SEO and in some other terms, the two opposite ends of the spectrum; chalk and cheese; the sublime and the ridiculous.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-ppc-seo-discussion-forum/578295-sites-spammy-backlinks.html#post6021235
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- mc9320 14 years ago
  
  Thanks Alexa. Could you offer any insight into whether you use exactly the same article on all these sites? You mentioned above that when you submit an article to multiple sites they are almost identical to the original which you post to your site first.
  
  Obviously one of the main differences is the inclusion of a resource box, but do you add or remove the odd paragraph or keep the article exactly the same ?
  
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  Originally Posted by mc9320
  
  Obviously one of the main differences is the inclusion of a resource box
  
  Yes - exactly so.
  
  I sometimes change the titles, even now. But that's all.
  
  A long time ago (before learning that it didn't help at all, and understanding why, i.e. before understanding the significance of the huge difference between duplicate content and syndicated content) I used to change the odd paragraph as well, but I haven't done that for about 3 years, now, and won't be doing it again.
  
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dhdvikas

14 years ago

yes definitely you put the same article to multiple directory .

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onlinemoney00

14 years ago

My own little two cents, have two or three articles, submit the first two to your top two directories, ezinearticles & maybe goarticles, then mass submit the rest to other directories. I agree with Alexa, that it's syndicated content, not duplicate content

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TomBuck

14 years ago

This discussion always comes up, the truth is you can but you may be penalized by google. It is advised that you spin your article before you submit it.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TomBuck

This discussion always comes up, the truth is you can but you may be penalized by google. It is advised that you spin your article before you submit it.
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- Forcitcample 14 years ago
  
  Hi,
  
  After Google panda & penguin update, you can get submit one article on many directories. If you do that it will put all on spam. so keep fresh or content or make diversity of links & keywords within it.
  
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- Sid Hale 14 years ago
  
  I guess many here just don't really want to know the truth, Alexa.
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
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sriram rajan

14 years ago

There are thousands of article directories, so it is not possible to create all unique content for each of them, but article directories is still part of the SEO and you can use software like Article marketing robot to atomate the process.

One suggestion though is try to submit unque content to the major ones , also if i remember correct , craig's fastattackseo suggests you create content on your blog and then can submit the same to article directories that wil help in the syndication... so no need worry about duplicate content etc ....

Again diversify, use articles as well as web 2.0 property content , social media stuff...

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apartridge7

14 years ago

Hi Ive done a bit of research into this and I have to agree with mindreaderwriter. A few years ago i think it was possible to get away with it but nowadays google is penalizing articles that are being submitted more than once. The only way to get higher ranked is hard work and more hard work. .... unfortunately lol.

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Brant 14 years ago

First: yes, you can submit the same article to multiple article directories. You have to be careful with how you do it, however. You need to submit your original content to Ezine Articles first, wait for approval and publication, and then try submitting to ArticlesBase and Go Articles. Wait for their approval, and then try other directories. There's nothing "unethetical" about this as I've seen some people claim (you can't plagiarize your own self). It's a method of trying to get the most people to view your article to establish your reputation and drive traffic to your website's offers.

As far as Google goes, it's wise not to put all of your eggs in one basket with them when it comes to Internet search. With Bing, a resurgent Yahoo, and the new and rising DuckDuckGo search engines, you can still expect to get good search results.

Second (and more important): submitting original articles to multiple directories is not the same thing as article syndication. Syndicating articles bypasses submissions to article directories. Personally, I could not care less about Ezine Articles or any other directories. I find the articles to typically be poorly written and dull. Syndicating an article means writing a very well-written, highly informative article and getting it published at a website which is a niche website for the topic that you wrote about (a topic which should be directly relevant to one of your own merchant websites). A lot of times, you can even get paid either up-front or in the form of page-view royalties by these sites just for having your article approved for publication, thus giving yourself multiple income streams and getting paid to do your own marketing.

If you are concerned that you can't write articles of high enough quality for syndication, hire a ghost writer at a decent rate to do it for you.
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IvinViljoen

14 years ago

I had an interesting discussion with Dino Rogan the other day and he has a new feature on Triberr called 'Re-Blog' where a blog post could be duplicated onto another persons blog in your tribe, and the comments it generates will show up on all the posts that has been reposted, including the original article. I told him and another high profile blogger that this will be frowned upon by Google, but they said it won't. You thoughts?

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Paul Stone

14 years ago

Alexa, I feel your pain lol

I have a brief question for you if you don't mind?

I understand you don't get hung up about SEO and the traffic it generates, but how do feel about doing SEO on the article which goes on YOUR website (just for an extra boost in traffic)? Obviously, you wouldn't do SEO on the syndicated articles (you want to keep traffic away from the directories), but for the sake of your own website? It would only take say 15 minutes to rewrite the main article (give it H1-3 tags with keyword in it, put picture in it with main keywords, add keyword to first and last sentance etc)...

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Viramara

14 years ago

Duplicate content is only when you do it in the same URL (i.e. your website, subdomain, pages). If certain same content appeared on search engine, Google will mark them as popular, cluttered them and choose which one fits their best result.

Just before Penguin (a week or so) I submitted an article to several article directories, they were spun manually only very little and mostly identical. My website is not penalized, it even survived Penguin. Just to tell you it's OK doing that.

See, the article spinner sellers will keep preaching about "duplicate content penalty" to instill fear so you'll buy their product!!!

But if anyone wants to know about duplicate content after Penguin, read this and watch the teary-eyed detailed videos. It's from Matt Cutts himself explaining how Google Penguin treats duplicate content and all duplicate content 101 :

http://www.webpronews.com/google-pen...ontent-2012-05

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Viramara

14 years ago

Duplicate content is only when you do it in the same URL (i.e. your website, subdomain, pages). If certain same content appeared on search engine, Google will mark them as popular, cluttered them and choose which one fits their best result.

Just before Penguin (a week or so) I submitted an article to several article directories, they were spun by hand only very little and mostly identical. My website is not penalized, it even survived Penguin. Just to tell you it's OK doing that.

See, the article spinner sellers will keep preaching about "duplicate content penalty" to instill fear so you'll buy their product!!!

But if anyone wants to know about duplicate content after Penguin, read this and watch the teary-eyed detailed videos. It's from Matt Cutts himself explaining how Google Penguin treats duplicate content and all duplicate content 101 :

Google Penguin Update: Don't Forget About Duplicate Content | WebProNews

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dayday247

14 years ago

great info thanks

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Joseph Robinson Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by dayday247

great info thanks

Great reason for resurrecting the thread, thanks :rolleyes:. I'm sure your post count will soar here unnoticed.
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Kadztheman

14 years ago

Your acting like google is as smart as god or something. its a simple program.

You need to just post them and they will still get traffic

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Joseph Robinson Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kadztheman

Your acting like google is as smart as god or something. its a simple program.

You need to just post them and they will still get traffic

Um...Google isn't God, but its algorithm can definitely keep track of where content is published, and when. Now, you're right in stating that no harm will come from posting to multiple directories, but unless relevant publishers look at those sites there is no benefit either.

So it looks like accidentally you were kind of right.
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Alexa Smith

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Kadztheman

You need to just post them and they will still get traffic

For the reasons explained in such detail in this post, no article marketers who understand how article directories work and what functions they can realistically fulfil want to get traffic coming to their own sites/opt-ins/offers from an article directory: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780

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JohnMcCabe

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Joe Robinson

Um...Google isn't God, but its algorithm can definitely keep track of where content is published, and when. Now, you're right in stating that no harm will come from posting to multiple directories, but unless relevant publishers look at those sites there is no benefit either.

So it looks like accidentally you were kind of right.

"Even a blind pig finds the acorn once in a while..."

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JEasy

14 years ago

Go ahead and post the same articles to multiple directories and see what happens. It may work out well or it may not. You'll then know for yourself what you need to do from there. Trial and error.

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MissTerraK

14 years ago

Originally Posted by JEasy

Go ahead and post the same articles to multiple directories and see what happens. It may work out well or it may not. You'll then know for yourself what you need to do from there. Trial and error.

Yes, that is absolutely the correct answer, because hey, who would want to listen to anyone who has experience in it themselves? Especially to Alexa, I mean it is as plain as the nose on your face that she knows nothing about article writing, article syndication and article directories by the hundreds of in depth posts she's made on the subject coupled with the thousands of thanks she's received from others appreciating her good will in sharing her experience and strategies that work. :rolleyes:

That makes perfect sense to ignore that and set out on your own to possibly do irreparable damage to your site, don't you think? (Terra says while smacking forehead!)

Terra

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lastprice 13 years ago

I was just wondering if you don't have time to write articles, i hope is ok to publish articles that are outsourced from article writing services.
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- JohnMcCabe 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by lastprice
  
  I was just wondering if you don't have time to write articles, i hope is ok to publish articles that are outsourced from article writing services.
  
  I quit using other directories long ago, but for EZA, you simply need to be the owner of the copyright. And be able to prove it.
  
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Jordan Kovats

14 years ago

Alexa, Let me know if you need some aspirin from beating your head against the wall for all of those people who still 'don't get it'.

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ucables

13 years ago

Alexa Smith, following your recomendations i started to publish articles in squidoo, using same text that i used at my blog but they will reject it sending me this email:

You published a new lens yesterday (which is great!) but we see that it contains a high degree of duplicate content. This is a notification that your lens has been unpublished from public view:

http://www.squidoo.com/olive-oil-doe...kes-us-lose-it

==WHY WAS THIS LENS UNPUBLISHED?==

This lens was unpublished due to high quantities of content that exactly match content and writing posted elsewhere on the web. We call this duplicate content. A lens needs to contain original content that carries your personal point of view and words written by you, which are exclusive to your Squidoo lens and can't be found anywhere else on the web. For content that you quote on your lens from another source, you need to be sure you're crediting the source and including a link back to it.

We run regular and periodic reviews of lenses to enforce our policies, and most recently we have increased our systematic intolerance of duplicated content and plagiarism. Even if your lens has been published and live previously, that doesn't mean we endorsed it. We reserve the right to take down any lens if we discover a violation.

Squidoo is a place for original content. We don't allow large portions of content that are also found elsewhere on the Internet. Copy and pasted or duplicated content is generally not supported.

Quoting short passages of content, with appropriate credits and links to longer articles is fine. Copying content from other articles, bloggers, Wikipedia, etc. verbatim in large amounts without linking to it and/or passing it as your own is not fine. That is plagiarism.

Recycling your own work en masse, verbatim, across multiple lenses or multiple sites is also not allowed.

The rule of thumb is actually pretty simple: Squidoo and our partners and our readers are looking for a balance in favor of original content. There needs to be a high amount of originality to your lens (content, reviews, opinions, stories written by you that can't be found anywhere else on the web).

==WHAT NOW?==

Since your lens is being unpublished for having large amounts of duplicate content, or for plagiarizing, and since both are against our Terms of Service, your lens will remain locked from view and eventually deleted.

You can see an entire list of your lenses that are locked here:

Squidoo : Welcome to Squidoo

From there you have access to your locked lens so that you can export the lens content and save it elsewhere.

Any unpaid royalties this lens has earned will be donated to charity.

==IF YOU'RE POSITIVE YOUR LENS WAS LOCKED IN ERROR==

Here are the steps you can follow:

What to do if your lens gets unpublished (locked)

The rare exceptions in duplicate content cases are where the content in question is from a religious text, or part of a poem or lyric that has no originating official source. If that is the case with your lens, please let us know when you send in your request as per the steps above.

Sincerely,

The Squidoo Quality Content Team

What should i do to avoid it?
Can you tell me a list of better article directories that allow duplicated content?

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by ucables

Alexa Smith, following your recomendations i started to publish articles in squidoo

Sorry, but certainly not following my recommendations, I'm afraid.

I spend rather a lot of time here trying to persuade people not to use Squidoo.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...en-locked.html
http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-seconds.html

Squidoo is not an article directory, and not a "niche-relevant" site for article syndication, and (as you've discovered) doesn't accept syndicated articles. I know I'm saying this rather too late for you (sorry) but it's always important to read the terms of service of any sites to which you submit content.

Originally Posted by ucables

Can you tell me a list of better article directories that allow duplicated content?

It's not about "better article directories". Squidoo isn't an article directory.

There's no real benefit from submitting your articles to more than one (or two) article directories, anyway.

"Article marketing" and "article directory marketing" are two very different things. This post/thread will help you, I think: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

Maybe posts #6, #10 and #12 of this thread (on the previous page) will help, as well?
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Dazen

13 years ago

Google really need fresh content, submission same article is harmful.

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Dazen

Google really need fresh content, submission same article is harmful.

This is just nonsense. :rolleyes:

Multiple submissions of the same article, to attract targeted traffic, are the underlying basis of article marketing, from which large and increasing numbers of Warriors are making our livings in 2013. It has nothing to do with Google at all. Like many others who have posted in this thread without first having read it properly, you're confusing "duplicate content" with "syndicated content". http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794
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Vasilev

13 years ago

Let me just try to clear something out AGAIN...

Mass submission still works and has always been working...
... you just have to know how to do it.

It's not a good idea to get a million directory backlinks
to your money blog, but it's an alright idea idea to get them to your
already syndicated content... ?

What do I mean? -

Although mass submission for linking back
to your own blog still works, it takes some more skill to pull off.

What can be done is use it for second and/or third tier backlinks...

here's how: Before you start, publish the article to your blog

1 rewrite the article, or get somebody to rewrite it, or write it
for you for a dollar or so... and then publish it to any of the
top article directories (ezine, articlebase etc.)...
PLR articles or crappy spun such don't work

2 Link back to the original piece on your blog( using the resource box
and the proper keywords... also link back to the proper page of course)

3 Mass submit spun versions to wherever you can, linking back

to the article published to the first tier directory

Simple stuff...

those second tier backlinks are perfectly fine, will get you
link juice and would never harm your blog...
because the first tier top directory works like a filter for you...

There are other ways to use mass submission also... don't really have time
for explaining them right now...

So let's get back to the main question - yes, you can submit the same article
to multiple directories...

Also - Mass submission still works...

and as I said half an year ago - to rank you need links from

- directories
- social media
- web pages and blogs

and it will always be like this...

and also - advice for new people online...

people who spend a million years in here to write stuff are not
a very good example to follow...

they sure know stuff, but don't get too excited when you see somebody
who has 20 000 posts in here...

and one more thing...

that duplicate content nonsense is ridiculous.

You gotta really mess up for Google to slap you...
even if you have duplicate content on your site
google simply doesn't select it and you are again fine.

I'll repeat again to prevent any useless opinions:
you gotta really mess it up for google to slap you!

You have to understand - Google doesn't hate you...
they just want to deliver the best results for their users!

Publish awesome content on your blog, syndicate it (but not over-syndicate it)
get diversified links after you build your domain to be authority...
(syndicate is a fancy word for share)

then get lots and lots of links... come up with money for direct traffic,
and understand this is 2013... online business is more business than tech stuff...

which means - you need money, a team and time...

hope that helps and take care!

And just so you know who I am:

Vladi Vasilev

Business time - 7 years ( 5 of them offline )

Revenue - 6 millions

oh boy, bragging feels so good LOL

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pathwise

13 years ago

Wow, some amazing material in this post thanks to Alexa!

I thought I knew a fair amount about article marketing and syndication, but I realize now I am not even close.

Personally though I have never spun any articles and have been following similar guidelines to what Alexa has been saying for the past 2 years, and have found great success with article syndication.

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khooster1

13 years ago

I only post to 2-3 main articles directories. The quality of the backlinks is very Important these days. I will send to Ezine directory for approval 1st. Then only will I send the articles to the remaining directories. Bear in mind that not all directories will be picked up by google. You probably need to do some bookmarking to create results.

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RachelLily

13 years ago

If you write one original and unique article, but you submit it to 100 different article directories, Google is only going to display the article 1 time in the search results. It makes absolutely no sense for Google to display the same article 10 times on the first page of the search results. That doesn't help Google nor does it help Google's customers.

Plus, you should ask yourself why you're writing the article in the first place. Is it for search engine rankings or is it for human consumption? It should be for human consumption. If you are building a business based on search engine rankings, you are playing with fire. Google can change the algorithm and put you out of business the next day, just like it did with for a lot of people with the infamous Panda update.

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tomerep

13 years ago

If you submit one article to the more directories, backlinks from each of them are not going to be as worth for your site as they could be when articles would differ. It would affect your Page Rank in the way of "killed" potential

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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by tomerep

If you submit one article to the more directories, backlinks from each of them are not going to be as worth for your site as they could be when articles would differ.

This is absolute nonsense.

The value of any given backlink from any given page of the web does not somehow, magically, vary according to whether or not the content it follows has previously been published!

Originally Posted by tomerep

It would affect your Page Rank in the way of "killed" potential

This is completely wrong.

All you had to do, to understand why and how it's so completely wrong, was to read this very thread in which you've just posted.

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clus03 13 years ago

One quick question:

Is it alright to submit to multiple article directories in same time? Meaning i have a new article and i submit it to ezine articles for example...should i wait until it gets approved and published before i submit to the rest of article directories or is it ok to submit in same time to all?
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- Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by clus03
  
  Is it alright to submit to multiple article directories in same time?
  
  It's "alright" from the perspective of them accepting the articles, yes. ("ArticlesBase" is the only one that might give you a problem over it, and personally I'd advise you never to use that one, since they changed their terms of service).
  
  Some people imagine that they "need" to submit to Ezine Articles first, because Ezine Articles for some reason "won't accept it" if it's already in other article directories, but that's completely wrong (and has always been completely wrong). I happen to submit all my articles to Ezine Articles as the very last stage of what I do with them, myself - and I've always done that. But the order doesn't matter to most people, and it doesn't matter to the directories either.
  
  However, what you need to know, here, is that there's no additional benefit at all from multiple article directory submission. It can even do you some harm (because of the "Penguin update").
  
  However you're doing article marketing, or article directory marketing, I urge you not to try to use article directories for the "benefit" of their own worthless backlinks and/or in an attempt to get potential customer traffic coming to your own site via an article directory. That isn't how they work at all (and is more likely to do you harm, overall, than good).
  
  There's much more explained in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872
  
  Good luck!
  
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MarvyDery

13 years ago

yes you can and you should do it. backlinks from article directories don't value anymore but the most important thing is, getting targeted traffic from these article directories

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clus03

13 years ago

Thanks for the advice....i've been looking into the other thread too and still don't really understand what is the real purpose of article directories then? i mean i was using them as part of my backlink strategy, together with some web 2.0s, but you say that is useless.
So are you saying that i should rather post on ezine an article that i have already indexed on my blog because is going to get syndicated and not a brand new article because their backlinks are useless?
Sorry i am just confused

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by clus03

.i've been looking into the other thread too and still don't really understand what is the real purpose of article directories then?

They're depositories of content which is freely available (within each directory's terms of service) for publishers and webmasters to re-publish. By putting your article in a directory, you're announcing its availability for inclusion in ezines and on other people's websites (with your backlinks included!) so that you can get targeted traffic from publishers who have the traffic/subscribers but need the content. They have no other purpose, and that's the only benefit they can provide for you.

Originally Posted by clus03

i was using them as part of my backlink strategy,

Many people were.

It's not a valid SEO-strategy at all. In fact it's a risky one, without benefits. The backlinks are of no value at all (no, I'm not exaggerating/minimizing) and enough of them will naturally get you penalized by Google's "Penguin-updated" algorithm.

PR-0 backlinks on non-context-relevant sites simply have no value to you, for off-page SEO. This was true even as long ago as 2010, when SEO textbook writers were explaining why, in linkjuice terms, something between 50,000 and 100,000 of those "backlinks" were equivalent to one backlink from a quality, relevant site. And that was even before all the 2011/12 Panda updates decimated the SEO potential of article directories, and the Penguin update started penalizing the sites linked to. It's completely futile, and far more likely to damage your business than to help it.

Sites with spammy backlinks

Calling out bad tactics

How do Article Directories work?

And one wouldn't want to be trying to use article directories as sources of potential customer traffic, of course, for all the reasons explained in this post.

Originally Posted by clus03

So are you saying that i should rather post on ezine an article that i have already indexed on my blog because is going to get syndicated

As long as it's written for syndication, yes - why not? It costs nothing to try, after all. Just don't expect too much from it: in article marketing terms, it's only an "afterthought".

Originally Posted by clus03

and not a brand new article because their backlinks are useless?

Never, never a brand new article. There's no sense in submitting to an article directory an article that hasn't yet been published and indexed on your own site. That's all downside and no benefit, compared with doing it the right way round.

Here are two threads that explain this in much more detail ...

1. This is a shorter, one-page thread which explains why you should never submit "unique" content to an article directory: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

2. In this much longer thread, a huge number of professional article marketers explain all their shared reasons for always publishing every article on their own site first and not letting EZA have a copy until it's been indexed on their own site: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html
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- Doug Wakefield 13 years ago
  
  You can, but it is rather pointless beyond Ezine Articles. Back when I first stepped foot in IM the "best" (if you can call it that) method relied on mass submitting the articles to hundreds of directories. This was, of course, back before the EZA hit. Once that hit took place, that game was over.
  
  Right then and there you saw the prominent article marketers switch from a mass submission model towards a slower submission, bigger content model, that still works today.
  
  I used to be a "mass submitter" myself. I can promise you that the truly syndicated articles (that is the content other webmasters pulled from the directories and put on thier sites) made me the most money. This was even while Article Directory Marketing (as Alexa calls it) was still the thing.
  
  As far as the directories that don't allow it. There are far fewer that don't allow duplicate content than you would think. Even back 4 years ago there were only a couple with the program that I used to use that wouldn't. The question you have to ask is whether the negligable backlink you get is worth the time to post the article. In about all cases, it is not. The only exception would possibly be an article directory for your specific niche.
  
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