Article on site or EZA first ?

[gjedda63]

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.

[Alexa Smith]

Yes, there are different opinions, as you say.

I suspect that some of the people who so firmly say "EZA first", in such discussions, imagine that it might not be possible to get it on EZA if it's on your own site first, but this certainly isn't right. However, it may be quicker and more convenient with EZA to give it to them first and put it on your own site after they've accepted it.

[JL Melvin]

This is what I do and it's worked really well for me:

- I post a summary of the article on my website.

Then...

- I post the article to EZA with a link back to the page where I posted my article.

This works really well when using keywords in the title of the article because then it adds link juice to your website page...for instance

My Dog an Old Friend Indeed - with link to

www. mydogbuddy. com/my-dog-an-old-friend-indeed.html

It's been working for me and my articles have well over 188,000 views and over 35,000 click thrus.

Jeff

[Allen Graves]

PUT IT ON YOUR SITE FIRST!

Allen Graves

[Kay King]

I put it on my site first! I don't link back to the same article in my bio - but link to a complementary topic page of the site.

Occasionally it an article is very long - I'll put the long version on my site and a shorter version of the same article goes to article directories.

kay

[gjedda63]

Many thx guys and girl(s).. Iam so amazed of this forum,tons of people willing to share their knowledge in minutes. This is for sure a goldmine, hope I can be able to share some tips in the future.

[Zack Lim]

Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

Zack

[Jon Alexander]

if you make the article sufficiently unique between the 2 postings, it doesn't matter.

[gianne2705]

Any of the two will do but it is much good as everyone said here,put it on your site first.

[chrisnkay]

I would have never guessed that putting on your site first would be the answer to this!

Thanks to everyone that answered with support!

[Easy Cash]

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Easy Cash

you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

This is just mistaken. Sorry, but it is!

[Revolves]

I believe the only pre-requisite for submitting article to EZA (apart from quality) is that you should own the full copyrights to it. I've seen many people say they put articles on their site first. So "Easy Cash", I don't think you should have a problem with that.

[dave147]

I'd say put it on your own site first for original content rankings - then post it to the top 5 article directories

[hamburglar]

How long does it take for the article to be put in ezine articles?

[Kesh247]

Originally Posted by gjedda63

I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.

Submit it to EZA first, then when it gets approved, you can put it on your site and submit it to other article directories.

You can also link each article back to your article on ezine article.

[Allen Graves]

OK guys - or those whoare saying to submit to EZA first, here's one question for you...

WHY?

Nobody has supplied a valid reason for submitting to EZA first. You just say to do it.

Of course, I didn't supply my reason for submitting to my site first either. LOL

But I have my reasons, ... the entire process is too long to type up here (plus, I don't want to waste my time because one of the mods is deleting all of my long posts without recourse anyway) - what are yours?

Allen Graves

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Allen Graves

Nobody has supplied a valid reason for submitting to EZA first.

Perhaps you didn't see my original reply above, Allen, in which I mentioned that it may sometimes be quickier and more convenient to get your article listed at EZA if you offer it to them first, even before putting it on your own site?

I can certainly think of no other reason, and I agree that most people just say to do it! I suspect this is because they mistakenly imagine (like one or two who posted above) that EZA won't accept it in identical form to that previously published on your own site or blog. Unfortunately, there seems to be an increasing proportion of misinformation in the forum at the moment from people whose opinions are rather strongly held but are not always based on accurate information (to put it politely).

For myself, like you, I would always prefer to post an article first on my own site or blog.

[Kay King]

I agree - WHY do people say submit to EZA first? Most likely it's because that's what they've done all along. It's good to question what you do and make sure there's a valid reason to do it that way.

As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.
You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?

That info is simply wrong. I do put the exact same article on my site and at EZA with no problem - and have done it for a long time. Yes, EZA requires original content - but it IS original because I wrote it.

kay

[barbdear]

I presume the folks who are posting the article first to their site are including their name as the author ... EZA doesn't care if the article has already been published -- as long as it is credited to the original author.

[Allen Graves]

I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just because they are cool, but because they are RIGHT! lol

I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

Summer Speaker Series 2009

Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.

I haven't had anyone take me up on my reasons...no PMs yet. :-(

Oh well - gotta go have a great Father's day now!!!!!!!!!

Allen

[JayXtreme]

Site first..

I'm almost bored of stressing this point, it was one of the big eye openers recently for customers of my own products... I helped a few people get around this issue and they now happily (and successfully) publish content to their own site first and then EZA...

Why o WHY would you give your content to a glorified made for adsense site before your own property?????.. (sorry Chris, I love EZA.. but I'm just bein' honest)

Here’s what I do with each and every article I create:

Step 1: Publish it on my own website/property first <– this is essential, the content is YOURS.. do NOT give it to a directory first. Putting your content first on a glorified made for adsense site like a directory is marketing suicide, put it on your website first.

Step 2: Tweak it a little and publish it to Ezine Articles. I honestly don’t tweak it that much but I like to anyway just so that it has some added flavour for distribution. Your goal with ezine is to get other directories to re-publish it too.

Step 3: Tweak and expand, using each of the main points for a squidoo module on a lens and build a squidoo lens around it. (hence my hundreds of lenses that turn profit for me). Squidoo lenses can be quick and highly profitable, once you get into the swing of creating them.

Step 4: Mass publish it wherever you like, use iSnare if you wish.. it’s a good service... get that content spread around!!!!

This has served me now for years, and I can’t even write articles that well.

Anything you hear about “duplicate content” rules is complete crap in most cases. The ONLY time duplicate content is an issue is when you have duplicates on the same domain.. like two pages that are mirroring each other on one domain.

You can find up to date clarification of this fact on the official google blog...

Peace

Jay

p.s. I'm not sayin' the above is the ONLY way to do it.. but I've been kicking around with this content for profits thing for a while now.. and I'm doin OK

[gjedda63]

Great answers, Ps Allen,Idont have enough posts to Pm you...

[peter gibson]

Originally Posted by alexa_s

Unfortunately, there seems to be an increasing proportion of misinformation in the forum at the moment from people whose opinions are rather strongly held but are not always based on accurate information (to put it politely).

Don't want to hijack the thread but OMG you are SO right. In the last 48 hours so many of the newer members are giving out advice that is just nonsense.

As for this OP issue, I can add my thumbs up with the few that are making any kind of sense in this thread. Always put your article on your site first. In fact, if you want a proper method for submitting articles, just read over JayXtreme's post.

And also please please PLEASE people, stop giving out advice that you must change/rework your articles before submitting them to Ezine. That is ****e advice and leads people to repurpose work they may not wish to - taking time from their lives and efforts for a meaningless task. Article directories are like radio stations for your "songs". You wouldn't change a recording of your latest hit for every station that decides to play it yes?

Duplicate content is one of the most boring, redundant, and stubborn non-issues still causing paranoia in the IM world. It's like some kind of trippy Urban myth. The case has been closed eons ago by Google and by example. Telling someone to repurpose their work before submitting to sites is the same as telling someone to make sure they rub a cow's belly for luck. Rubbish.

Rant over

[dave147]

Originally Posted by peter gibson

As for this OP issue, I can add my thumbs up with the few that are making any kind of sense in this thread. Always put your article on your site first. In fact, if you want a proper method for submitting articles, just read over JayXtreme's post.

And also please please PLEASE people, stop giving out advice that you must change/rework your articles before submitting them to Ezine. That is ****e advice and leads people to repurpose work they may not wish to - taking time from their lives and efforts for a meaningless task. Article directories are like radio stations for your "songs". You wouldn't change a recording of your latest hit for every station that decides to play it yes?

Duplicate content is one of the most boring, redundant, and stubborn non-issues still causing paranoia in the IM world. It's like some kind of trippy Urban myth. The case has been closed eons ago by Google and by example. Telling someone to repurpose their work before submitting to sites is the same as telling someone to make sure they rub a cow's belly for luck. Rubbish.

Rant over

well said and so true

[TheRichJerksNet]

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

- Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

10. As they say rinse and repeat....

James

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

I agree with a lot of the stuff James says below, but I have had slightly different experience. I figure I'll add to what he said to give you some options. And note, I'm not arguing against James' recommendations here - I'm just showing that we've had different experiences, but we both arrived at our techniques through TRYING stuff.

But before I get into answering in detail, I want to say that it's not really a before/after question when it comes to posting content. If you have a blog that you are posting to regularly, chances are, you can rank your article higher than any directory. If you have that, all you really want from the directory is a backlink. And for that, it'll still count even if it's the same article.

If you're a pure "bum" marketer and have no website of your own, sure, just put it right in the directory. If you do (and it's easy) no reason you should let someone else be the only one to get to put ads on your content.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

Like I said before, it really doesn't matter re: before or after, and in my opinion, it doesn't even have to be original. Use some logic and look at the facts.

1. You can post the same article to your own blog and a directory.
2. You can get your blog to outrank the directory.
3. It doesn't matter which is posted before the other - you can prove this to yourself pretty easily.

With that in mind, I don't know why people don't realize that you can just re-publish articles from the directories on your blogs that you DIDN'T write, and you'll get good results.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

I do this too, though I use blogger and wordpress.org to post snippets to that link back to my main page.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.[/QUOTE]

I haven't done clipmarks, but definitely agree with doing the above. Ping the article page on the directory too. Comment on the article in the directory too if you can, and link back there as well. (I guess that makes less sense if it's your own article, but if you're republishing someone else's it's the perfect opportunity for a backlink.

I also have a pet theory that if you have 2 copies of an article, and one only one way links to the other, Google might think the linkee is the original. Since all articles from directories require you to include the free link back to them, counter that with your comment link from the directory back to you. It may have no actual effect re: the perceived provenance of the article, but links are good, so.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

Or if you're really lazy, don't change it at all. Changing it a little bit probably helps though. I don't always spin, and I certainly don't keep a close enough eye to know what percent change I hit when I do. My recommendation: get away with as little work as possible.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

Yeah, good stuff here. Also, look for blogs/other sites that have posted the same or similar articles to yours and post comments there too. Since you're already doing little re-writes of the article, you should have fodder to make at least a few comments on related blogs too while you're at it.

I like doing this as well as directory posting, because it actually has a chance of getting you some organic hits, some niche equity AND you get the backlink love, too.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

Agree. Crosslinking is good stuff. If you have some juice, don't forget to spread it to the places you link to yourself FROM. Link building pro bono for places that link to you is an often overlooked tactic. At a minimum, if I find a place that's linking to me, I'll ping em, and if they have a feed, I'll make a fresh comment, then submit that feed url around to aggregator sites too.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

Yep and yep.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

Yeah again. I don't use any distro services, but my custom solution does re-post this way, where variants and unique excerpts get pushed to various web 2.0 sites to coincide with the release of the main article on the flagship blog.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF of one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

I need to do more of this. I make PDFs, but I usually just give them away as list builders or list equity.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

10. As they say rinse and repeat....

James

Amen and AMEN! Figure out what you want to do, systematize it into basic steps, and then just do them over and over. Determine a quit/break point - decide how long you will continue without adjusting the plan - decide what means failure, what means adjustment, and what means you quit and try something else. Then stick to your guns.

For example, I want to increase my blog portfolio from 75 to 250 by the end of the year. I have a method that's already working, so I'm expanding it and scaling it way up. But to do it, I need to be in a full-on building phase, so I've set a baseline, and I will build and build and build until I hit that goal. Only then will I go back and analyze and tweak and adjust as necessary.

Anyway, it's a long ramble, but I was feeling like avoiding building another blog for the moment, so I hope it helps someone. Thanks for the awesome post James!

[TheRichJerksNet]

Thanks Keith ..

A few points to ponder also..

Now I use my own server instead of blogger but hey never hurts to test. On AP I actually have 2 blogs installed and the reason is this...

By posting summaries on the blog linking to the main article it helps increase you rankings of not only the site but that article also. So in this case by having the blog installed on my same domain it helps increase the rank of the main domain. This is something you miss out on by using blogger and not your own domain name.

Using your own domain you can also use sub-domains to install the blog on and when you create the sub-domain name use keywords. For example if I my main site is about wedding dresses then I would install a blog at wedding_dresses.mydomain.com (please note the underscore is just a habbit of mine, it is not needed).

Again testing is always good, for that matter it would not hurt to use blogger and your domain name both. Just make sure you always bookmark and submit feeds.

Spun articles - You do NOT need to spin your articles, please do not take my post the wrong way. This is NOT required but I suggest it for several reasons which I will list below. Before I do though let's please remember "Duplicate Content" is a myth, spinning articles have nothing to do with dup content.

Spin articles for these reasons

1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

Anyways great additions Keith ....

Now I feel like going and posting on my blog ...lol

James

[Affiliate.Solutions]

Originally Posted by barbdear

I presume the folks who are posting the article first to their site are including their name as the author ... EZA doesn't care if the article has already been published -- as long as it is credited to the original author.

Bingo. This is exactly why.

I have experienced the situation where I posted my article to ezine and couple other article directories and ezine rejected it because the signature on the other sites had a different author ( my alias ).

[Keith Kogane]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Thanks Keith ..

A few points to ponder also..

Now I use my own server instead of blogger but hey never hurts to test. On AP I actually have 2 blogs installed and the reason is this...

By posting summaries on the blog linking to the main article it helps increase you rankings of not only the site but that article also. So in this case by having the blog installed on my same domain it helps increase the rank of the main domain. This is something you miss out on by using blogger and not your own domain name.

You know, I actually AM doing this, but I don't do it with two blogs on the same domain.

One of the pieces I frequently use is an RSS plugin that will publish snippets from an RSS URL you specify. It's meant to be used in your template as a "related news" kind of thing, but I use it in my posts themselves, and I pull a feed from my own blog. I put it in the footer as "other stories you might like".

I may expand that concept a little more based on your reccommendations.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Using your own domain you can also use sub-domains to install the blog on and when you create the sub-domain name use keywords. For example if I my main site is about wedding dresses then I would install a blog at wedding_dresses.mydomain.com (please note the underscore is just a habbit of mine, it is not needed).

Again testing is always good, for that matter it would not hurt to use blogger and your domain name both. Just make sure you always bookmark and submit feeds.

Subdomains are cool too because they rank as unique domains. There's a WP plugin that lets you make subdomains auto-redirect to a specified page or category page. You just set up the subdomain in your domain admin, and configure it on the blog to tell it what you want it to point to.

I haven't tested that extensively yet, but I'm very excited about the possibilities there.

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Spun articles - You do NOT need to spin your articles, please do not take my post the wrong way. This is NOT required but I suggest it for several reasons which I will list below. Before I do though let's please remember "Duplicate Content" is a myth, spinning articles have nothing to do with dup content.

Spin articles for these reasons

1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

Anyways great additions Keith ....

Now I feel like going and posting on my blog ...lol

James

That's some really interesting points there, and though I say I don't "spin" I guess I actually am, because nothing I re-post is identical to what it was when I got it. I always add some kind of custom header or footer, or image. In a way, that's a form of spinning even though I don't change the content itself.

As for the kind of spinning you describe, I have the capability of doing that in my system. Using StrayRandomQuotes, you can actually set up articles that can remix themselves at the time of publication, and will be unique every time you publish. Normally, this wouldn't be good for SEO as search spiders don't really like that kind of totally dynamic content, but I don't use this to publish via my live WP site. I publish this content to a feed which I re-publish elsewhere. That way, at the time of publication, that article variation is "locked".

Anyway, kind of complicated, so I hope that makes sense. :P

But what I was going to say is that even though I CAN do it that way, it's a lot of work and I haven't really had to do it to get results. I'm reserving that technique for if I ever let the public use my system, or if I ever run out of content for a particular niche (unlikely).

If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by Keith Kogane

If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!

I use my own system for spinning articles... I do not just promote my site I actually use it also ..lol

James

[braver55b]

While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by braver55b

While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

Give me one logical reason why ???

It has been proven time and time again that you can improve your rankings and traffic a great deal more by posting to your site first.

* So WHY would I want to give all my link juice to EZA ??

* WHY would I want to help make EZA an authority site ??

* What is EZA going to give me for making them an authority site ??

* WHY post to a directory that slams your articles with Goggle Ads ??

Please give me just one logical and proven reason why I would give my unique content to another site such as EZA ...

James

[braver55b]

I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.


As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.


Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.

[StuartL]

Personally I stopped using article sites over a year ago. I think the strategy is overdone now and ineffective. Do articles on sites still rank anywhere? It is one thing to get the link, but I'd rather have the link and traffic.

But for the sake of the thread, I would add the article to my site, leave it for several days so that it has time to be indexed and then add or remove a couple of paragraphs and upload this slightly changed article to ezinearticles.

Then I'd do a little - not a lot - of bookmarking for both to help them out.

Best wishes all,

Stuart

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by braver55b

I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.


As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.


Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.

Just as Allen has said, you still have not given a logical reason...

I have already proven an author can post their article on my directory and be approved and within 30 minutes have top listing over EZA.. So your logic does not hold water. I already know for a fact that many of Allens authors also outrank EZA articles.

EZA is an authority site by those that call it one, fact is if 50% of the authors decided to wake up and work smarter and not use EZA guess where EZA's authority would be ??

So now what happens to all your articles that you put all that time in building up another site as an authority instead of building your own site as an authority ....

Not trying to start anything but facts are facts.. I am still waiting for one logical reason why you would post to EZA first. I bet between Allen and myself we could give you 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons why you should not, all I am asking for is one logical reason why you should...

James

[searchguru]

I agree that should be able to post on your blog and then Ezine but always thought that Ezine and other directories did not like that. .. so am still confused.

Allen unable to PM you as I don't have enough posts as well but am interested-thanks

[gavin6]

am interested in your process Allen but do not have enough posts yet, can you PM me please.

Gavin

[ramone_johnny]

I think the real answer here is to TEST and MEASURE!!!

[LegitBlogger]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Just as Allen has said, you still have not given a logical reason...

I have already proven an author can post their article on my directory and be approved and within 30 minutes have top listing over EZA.. So your logic does not hold water. I already know for a fact that many of Allens authors also outrank EZA articles.

EZA is an authority site by those that call it one, fact is if 50% of the authors decided to wake up and work smarter and not use EZA guess where EZA's authority would be ??

So now what happens to all your articles that you put all that time in building up another site as an authority instead of building your own site as an authority ....

Not trying to start anything but facts are facts.. I am still waiting for one logical reason why you would post to EZA first. I bet between Allen and myself we could give you 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons why you should not, all I am asking for is one logical reason why you should...

James

Bravo... well said. But it will be INTERESTING and
EDUCATIONAL to hear these 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons.

Care to share them?

[Allen Graves]

Originally Posted by ramone_johnny

I think the real answer here is to TEST and MEASURE!!!

...and RESEARCH and LISTEN.

Allen

[Allen Graves]

I sent PMs to those who requested them. DAMN - I hate that 500 second delay!

Listen, I don't know how I got dragged into the 25 reasons gimmick - I only have my own reasons which have not been discussed in this thread - or on this forum at all as far as I know.

I don't want to get mixed up as someone who challenges those who do not agree with me. If someone doesn't agree, that's fine. It's their choice and leaves more room for me to perform my own techniques.

Even some of my members don't agree with everything I teach them - but that's fine. I allow them to voice their opinion in our forum and do things the way they want to do them. If it works for them, then more power to 'em!

I used to be that way, but I learned that challenging people only takes up more time and energy that I don't want or need to spend anymore. So I gracefully back out of that part of the discussion.

Allen Graves

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by LegitBlogger

Bravo... well said. But it will be INTERESTING and
EDUCATIONAL to hear these 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons.

Care to share them?

Since you asked.. and before I post 25 reasons I will say this...

I am in no way downgrading EZA or saying you should not post to them because your marketing and your testing of your niche is what you should be doing. Nobody knows your marketing better than yourself. I agree that you should post to other article directories so please do not take this as an attempt that I am saying you do not need to post to other article directories.

"I" personally have tested many different article directories and "I" have used many different methods and so forth in that testing. This is testing "I" have done for "MY OWN" results. Your testing may have different results....

25 Reasons Why You Should Not Post To EZA First

1. Because it makes them seen as an authority for "your" content.
2. Because you can make your own site/blog an authority.
3. Because they take possible customers away with google ads.
4. Because you are limited on what your articles can say.
5. Because you can not directly post affiliate links.
6. Because you can easily outrank an EZA article.
7. Because you should build your site as the authority.
8. Because many of the views of your articles on EZA are from competition.
9. Because you do not have the ability to keep the readers focused on only your links.
10. Because you are not allowed to post links in the body of the article.
11. Because you have very limited control over the layout of that article.
12. Because your competition is even called an "expert" jut by posting 10 articles.
13. Because some social bookmarking sites reject EZA due to spam.
14. Because they do nothing to help promote your articles.
15. Because they use the "no follow" attribute on your links.
16. Because you can not control the comments posted on your articles.
17. Because you can not control who re-publishes your content.
18. Because you can not offer publishers incentives to re-publish your content.
19. Because on your own site/blog you can offer publishers free gifts to re-publish your content.
20. Because on your own site you do not have to share a category rss feed with competition.
21. Because on your own site/blog you do control the comments on your articles.
22. Because on your own site you control the url output (possibilities to have short url's).
23. Because on your own site you do not have to manage different accounts just to have the "posted by" in a different name.
24. Because on your own site/blog you can link to "any" third party domain without restrictions.
25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

James

[LegitBlogger]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Since you asked.. and before I post 25 reasons I will say this...

I am in no way downgrading EZA or saying you should not post to them because your marketing and your testing of your niche is what you should be doing. Nobody knows your marketing better than yourself. I agree that you should post to other article directories so please do not take this as an attempt that I am saying you do not need to post to other article directories.

"I" personally have tested many different article directories and "I" have used many different methods and so forth in that testing. This is testing "I" have done for "MY OWN" results. Your testing may have different results....

25 Reasons Why You Should Not Post To EZA First

1. Because it makes them seen as an authority for "your" content.
2. Because you can make your own site/blog an authority.
3. Because they take possible customers away with google ads.
4. Because you are limited on what your articles can say.
5. Because you can not directly post affiliate links.
6. Because you can easily outrank an EZA article.
7. Because you should build your site as the authority.
8. Because many of the views of your articles on EZA are from competition.
9. Because you do not have the ability to keep the readers focused on only your links.
10. Because you are not allowed to post links in the body of the article.
11. Because you have very limited control over the layout of that article.
12. Because your competition is even called an "expert" jut by posting 10 articles.
13. Because some social bookmarking sites reject EZA due to spam.
14. Because they do nothing to help promote your articles.
15. Because they use the "no follow" attribute on your links.
16. Because you can not control the comments posted on your articles.
17. Because you can not control who re-publishes your content.
18. Because you can not offer publishers incentives to re-publish your content.
19. Because on your own site/blog you can offer publishers free gifts to re-publish your content.
20. Because on your own site you do not have to share a category rss feed with competition.
21. Because on your own site/blog you do control the comments on your articles.
22. Because on your own site you control the url output (possibilities to have short url's).
23. Because on your own site you do not have to manage different accounts just to have the "posted by" in a different name.
24. Because on your own site/blog you can link to "any" third party domain without restrictions.
25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

James

ha ha ha - I'd say "thanks" for taking the time to list them.
While I DO agree with some of them, I don't agree with all.
But thanks nonetheless for listing them... and yes - you do
have some points, of course, but...

[JAIDEEP2959]

You can put on Ezinearticles.com first.

It will get more views and may get featured in 'Most viewed in 90 days' section and 'Most published' section giving your website great traffic.

[morwanneg]

Originally Posted by JL Melvin

This is what I do and it's worked really well for me:

- I post a summary of the article on my website.

Then...

- I post the article to EZA with a link back to the page where I posted my article.

This works really well when using keywords in the title of the article because then it adds link juice to your website page...for instance

My Dog an Old Friend Indeed - with link to

www. mydogbuddy. com/my-dog-an-old-friend-indeed.html

It's been working for me and my articles have well over 188,000 views and over 35,000 click thrus.

Jeff

Hmmmm great tip. I'm trying this.

[Lisa Gergets]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

- Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

- Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

10. As they say rinse and repeat....

James

I think I love you.

[Lisa Gergets]

Originally Posted by JayXtreme

Site first..

I'm almost bored of stressing this point, it was one of the big eye openers recently for customers of my own products... I helped a few people get around this issue and they now happily (and successfully) publish content to their own site first and then EZA...

Why o WHY would you give your content to a glorified made for adsense site before your own property?????.. (sorry Chris, I love EZA.. but I'm just bein' honest)

Here’s what I do with each and every article I create:

Step 1: Publish it on my own website/property first <– this is essential, the content is YOURS.. do NOT give it to a directory first. Putting your content first on a glorified made for adsense site like a directory is marketing suicide, put it on your website first.

Step 2: Tweak it a little and publish it to Ezine Articles. I honestly don’t tweak it that much but I like to anyway just so that it has some added flavour for distribution. Your goal with ezine is to get other directories to re-publish it too.

Step 3: Tweak and expand, using each of the main points for a squidoo module on a lens and build a squidoo lens around it. (hence my hundreds of lenses that turn profit for me). Squidoo lenses can be quick and highly profitable, once you get into the swing of creating them.

Step 4: Mass publish it wherever you like, use iSnare if you wish.. it’s a good service... get that content spread around!!!!

This has served me now for years, and I can’t even write articles that well.

Anything you hear about “duplicate content” rules is complete crap in most cases. The ONLY time duplicate content is an issue is when you have duplicates on the same domain.. like two pages that are mirroring each other on one domain.

You can find up to date clarification of this fact on the official google blog...

Peace

Jay

p.s. I'm not sayin' the above is the ONLY way to do it.. but I've been kicking around with this content for profits thing for a while now.. and I'm doin OK

God damn I love this forum. I think I love you, too.

[TheRichJerksNet]

Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo

I think I love you.

Well it's always nice to be loved...

James

[digidoodles]

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

Well it's always nice to be loved...

James

I love him more

And Keith TOTALLY ROCKS TOO!

Thank you guys!!

Warmly,

Brandi