10,000 Posts And I Got Nothin...

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

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During the ensuing years, the WF has changed a lot, as have the opportunities available to those just starting out. What hasn't changed are many of the core concepts of business online or off. While the Internet is no longer the wild west it once was, I still believe that anyone who is willing to do the work can succeed online.

Thank you so much and congratulations for the 10k post.

This particular section caught my attention. It shows that the succes fundamentals have not changed and are not likely to change because of the web.

Success comes as a result of working hard. Sometimes for long hours and sometimes without any assurance of a breakthrough. The market place pays for value. Anyone hungry for success must work hard to produce value. The bigger the value the more the millions that will flow to an individual's bank account.

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Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago

That was a brilliant post, and just when I'd run out of "thanks" for the day.

Thanks very much, Mike. And congratulations - I, for one, am eagerly looking forward to your next 10,000 posts.
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- rrm 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Alexa Smith
  
  ... and just when I'd run out of "thanks" for the day..
  
  You can do that?
  
  PS Oh, don't want to be rude. Congrats, BIG MIKE!
  
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  Joseph Robinson Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by rrm
  
  You can do that?
  
  PS Oh, don't want to be rude. Congrats, BIG MIKE!
  
  Ron
  
  You get something like 25 per 24 hours (not sure if that's official). Bill Platt and I can tell you all about running out :rolleyes:.
  
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  Alexa Smith Banned 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by rrm
  
  You can do that?
  
  Yes, you get a maximum of 20 thanks to give per day ... but it works on a "rolling" basis, not on a 24-hour clock.
  
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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

TL;DR: Mike's been in business a long time, and knows what the heck he is talking about. Go read the whole post.

Congrats on 10k Mike, every post of yours that I have read has been worth reading.

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FranMurray

14 years ago

Hello BIG MIKE,

I love what you said here....

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Don't give up, especially if something doesn't work out for you. Success takes time and effort - learn to embrace your failures and take them for what they are...a learning experience. Every business has its ups and downs - don't let the bad days get under your skin.

This is SO True.

I encourage everyone that reads this post to embrace this statement. Hard times will come in your business, it happens to everyone. I know from personal experience that these moments will come, you can get through it!

Take Care,
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masterjani

14 years ago

Excellent post Mike, really inspiring many young marketers like me.

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jaiganeshv

14 years ago

WillR, Big Mike, Alexa smith, willie crawford are some of the senior folks i always would like to thank them for all their valuable continued contribution to this forum
when i hit that 10K mark, im sure i would have contributed too to this forum.

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14 years ago

Some great words of wisdom here folks

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taffie 14 years ago

Yes, great and encouraging post.
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- Raydal 14 years ago
  
  Thanks for sharing your experience. Always good to see
  what others have learned over the years.
  
  Your post count says "9,999" so maybe one got deleted.
  
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SteveFinch

14 years ago

Without doubt, one of the most intelligent, thoughtful posts I have read on this forum. There're some real gems in there.
Without a doubt, flexibility in business and life in general is the key.

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14 years ago

Thanks for the great inspirational post, Mike.

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Carlton Johnson

14 years ago

Great post Mike. You the man. I have been buying your stuff for several years and the products are always quality.

But you know what stands out about you the most for me is that when I once sent in a support ticket you where the one that answered and you took the time to help me out with a few things relating to the product. You cared...

I expected you to have outsourced all your support to people that didn't really know the product in depth. But the fact you answered yourself really stuck with me. I am not saying that you should answer all your own support tickets, since it might not be the most productive thing to do with your time but the personal touch left a mark on me, and this about 2-3 years ago.

Cheers for being old school...

Carlton

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Prashant_W

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

What hasn't changed are many of the core concepts of business online or off.

This stood out to me (and took me a decade to find despite a gazillion re-reads). The folks starting out; the folks experiencing lukewarm success; the folks not quite succeeding yet... The internet is not a magical fountain of wealth. It's a medium of business. Once you understand this, you'll be able to put a lot of things into perspective.

An online business doesn't come down to having a

1) Product
2) Squeeze Page
3) Sales Letter
4) Traffic Source
5) Paypal Account

An online business, just like an offline one, is all about providing value to your target market. Unlike an offline one though, you're able to reach out to a much larger audience.

But fundamentally, the idea is to provide value and build credibility.

I also loved (and completely agree with) the bit on authority sites becoming the future. It's very congruent with the basis for conducting business.

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Joseph Robinson

Banned 14 years ago

Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Greece
Posts: 9,999
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 2,219
Thanked 4,230 Times in 1,261 Posts

Mike lost one! Now you need to write an entirely new 10k post. This one is null and void.

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- MoneyMagnetMagnate 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by BIG Mike
  
  The forum giveth and the forum taketh away
  
  Thanks everyone...back to 10K and holding
  
  Didn't they tell you? When you hit 10,000, you have to start all over again!
  
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David Keith

14 years ago

I just wish we could get this posted in the WSO section where many of the people who really need to see it would get a chance to read it.

Great post Mike, I know I for one appreciate being able to learn from you experience regarding all things internet business related. Your contributions to this place don't go unnoticed.

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Kal Sallam

14 years ago

Awesome stuff Mike really enjoyed reading.
I wish threads like this come up everyday.

Nice title too

and you did provide user experience
because I bookmarked this thread.

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JimDucharme

14 years ago

Great stuff Mike and congrats on being a core member of a great community!

Really, you're getting nothing for 10k posts? Wow! I can't believe that! I'm going to hit 10k tweets this week and apparently that scores me a 77 Cordoba with Corinthian leather!

Regards,
jim

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Lori Kelly

14 years ago

Thank you for the very informative thread and for taking the time to post here 10,000+ times to share your knowledge.

Why? Because the future of business online (in terms of SEO) is going to be wrapped up into single, authority sites that will centralize all of your business activities. Most people online are far better off investing in the long-term development of a single, highly branded website where they will focus all their energies.

^^^ That right there helped me a lot and will determine how I proceed in the future.

Congrats and a sincere thank you.

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14 years ago

Great Stuff thanks Mike.

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sbucciarel

Banned 14 years ago

Awesome post by one of the really good guys on the forum.

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azmanar

14 years ago

Big Mike !

Thanks for the inspirational words of wisdom.

I'm not jealous of your 10k posts. I've seen some drive-by posters chalking up 1,000 posts in just 3 to 4 months. lol.

But I'm at awe to your 4.2k thanks. Which means, a lot of people really appreciate your advice and your presence in WF.

Thanks Mike !

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Jacqueline Smith

14 years ago

Thank you for an awesome post!

These are the gems that can actually help people succeed.

Congrats on 10,000!

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getty

14 years ago

reading this in morgan freeman's voice.

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Dennis Gaskill

14 years ago

Awesome post on many levels, Mike. I hope those trying to get a start in this business are smart enough to read it over and over until they "get" every single point. Now that would be a great headstart for them.

I just want to comment about a few points you made to re-emphasize them. Sometimes when a post is so good, as this one is, it is easy to miss some of the good stuff.

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

A few of my best friends and business partners are people I've met here in the WF - that alone makes the effort put into those 10K posts worthwhile

This can't be overlooked. So many poeple are burning bridges rather than building them, I wonder if they'll ever succeed. The networking is one of the most important benefits of being a member here. Treat others well, you never know who might be a valuable ally later.

My first bit of advice for those just starting out or struggling in business is to stop chasing after the quick scores and focus on sustainable, long-term strategies to grow into the success you want.

Jackpot! I've seen people try to score big and do it fast, and years later they are still trying for the quick score. In the time they have wasted trying to score the big one, they could have built a solid business. Often, the slowest way to succeed is to try to succeed all at once.

... the future of business online (in terms of SEO) is going to be wrapped up into single, authority sites that will centralize all of your business activities.

Another bulls-eye!

As you know, this has been my primary business model for 15 years. It not only pays off in the ways you cited, but it let's you build a good mailing list without even trying. I'm sure most people reading this understand how valuable that is.

User Experience - those two words are what the web are all about today and will be in the future. Your visitors need good reasons to bookmark your site and come back again and again - so find ways to give them those reasons.

Another homerun! I'd just like to add this this applies to email marketing too. Too many list owners provide a loser experience instead of a good user experience. Subscriber list fatigue, list burnout, whatever you want to call it, is caused mostly by the list owner's email strategies, or lack of having one. The fix is simple -- examine the user experience your email marketing creates.

You made a lot of other great points too, Mike. Excellent post, congrats on 10,000, and thank you for all words of wisdom over the years.

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Cali16 14 years ago

I always enjoy your posts, Mike! While there are many amazing people here, I sincerely look up to you as one of the sharpest members on this forum. I appreciate your honesty, your willingness to help others, and also that you aren't afraid to call people out on their B.S. You clearly have many years of invaluable experience and incredible success behind your words of wisdom. Thank you for sharing them with us!

Also, very sorry to hear that you've had some very serious health issues recently. Very glad to hear that you are doing better!

I look forward to your next 10,000 posts!
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daddykool

14 years ago

Well done buddy!

10k posts, we make that $100 a post on your turnover

Nice if you can get it! LOL!

Seriously, well done, 10 years in any business of your own and still surviving after the last 4 years, after just about everything has been killed off, in the real world is something to be very proud of!

Keep you health and your family first and here's to the next 10k posts for you

Maybe Al will give you a special 10k post marker in the forum!

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JohnMcCabe 14 years ago

Extremely impressive post, BIG Mike, from the curiosity inducing headline to the wisdom that followed it. For the folks who want to know what an "expert" looks like in a forum, read Mike's post again...

OPA!
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dannn1 14 years ago

I like how you pointed out that both business and the Internet are dynamic and change constantly - and those changes are affecting us new Internet marketers more than ever.

This alone I think is enough to throw off many newcomers but is something that definitely needs to be said. At the end of the day though, the Internet is moving towards better user experiences on the whole - and this makes people who are just getting started focus on creating quality content rather than on quantity.

I think this evolution if the net will be good for people in the long run - even if it means we have to work a little harder and persevere a little more when it comes to building our online businesses.
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Mark Andrews Banned 14 years ago

Mike...

...we haven't always seen eye to eye over the years, probably both too strongly opinionated for our own good at times but I've always enjoyed reading your threads on the quiet and I've gained a lot from them.

So always know you're appreciated as a person. You've contributed a hell of a lot to this forum, you've put us (myself especially) straight more than a few times and truth be told, if it's advice coming from you... I look forward to similar exchanges in the future.

I'd rather have one or two of guys (and ladies) like you any day of the week over a hundred newbies that quite frankly don't know what they're talking about half the time.

It's guys like you that make the rest of us sit up up straight and think, "Hmmm he might just have a point here, what can I learn from these words?"

Thanks for being you. I for one wouldn't want to have you any other way.

Straight talking personified telling the rest of us exactly how it is. And even though I've been in business for over 31 years since I was 14 years old, pushing my cleaning equipment around the streets on an old 1970's perambulator (literally) - it's people like you that can still teach an old dog new tricks. New ways of looking at things.

Thanks for molding me and helping me at times to adjust my own attitude which admittedly has been a little colorful at the best of times. Undoubtedly at times, I needed it.

I also wrote this thread quite a while ago which in a similar vein one or two here might enjoy reading...

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...m-special.html

Kindest regards Mike - here's to the next 10,000.

Chin chin!

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Rod Cortez

14 years ago

Solid advice from someone who's been in the trenches. I wish a lot of newcomers to this business would take the whole post to heart, especially this part:

My first bit of advice for those just starting out or struggling in business is to stop chasing after the quick scores and focus on sustainable, long-term strategies to grow into the success you want.

No one succeeds overnight, no matter how wildly popular their ideas are. Google took nearly 8 years to dominate the search engine market, FaceBook took 4 years for Social Media and believe it or not, Apple took nearly 30 years to become the powerhouse they are today.

I joined this forum after BIG Mike did (he was registered long before his current incarnation), but I have seen his posts over the years and I've seen him give back to this community both publicly and behind-the-scenes. Definitely one of the good guys and unofficial leaders of this medium-sized, dynamic city called the Warrior Forum.

When I first got started I would visit the forum as a guest and I had always found many of his posts very helpful during my own IM journey. I would definitely heed his advice. Lot's of wisdom there.

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Crew Chief

14 years ago

Big Mike, you just delivered some sage advice that can only be distilled from the annals of Determination, Experience and Father Time. For those of you who didn't catch that; it's called being DEFT!

Kudos on your successes and may you experience many more.

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johnben1444

14 years ago

Wow, that was touchy Mike. Am not only happy to see your long standing effort payoff but glad i was here to read your motivative thread once more. I feel like closing my laptop, sit down and have a rethink, re-strategize again and again.

I am strongly an advocate of long term business builder, there is no point wanting to tap traffic from SEO or other forms when you don't have the SAY. Tyrant can wake up any moment with a whip and that goes your income again. I know a lot of people doing white hat SEO that lost their rankings/income just that they are not admitting openly on WF.

Wish your speedy recovery and long life, you surely gonna be here and we are surely going to benefit from our mutual exchange of ideas.

A lot of people that i know in the past when i first joined or later on are no longer here and active. I wish you can mention or probably WF create a page or thread or something to update us of any big loss.

God bless.

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Tony Dean

14 years ago

Thanks for clearing the air Big Mike. You are so right about the fluidity of the medium we use, it's very tricky underfoot, you have to watch your step. I too had about a hundred websites up, did them all in Notepad in HTML, now only a handful.

The advice about concentrating on an authority site and building that is so redolent of the big hitters I have read on this forum and elsewhere, the 'authority' sites are the way to go.

If you ever read the book by Napolean Hill - "Think And Grow Rich" - he interviewed so many billionaires and wrote about the common denominator he came across with all of them and that is summed up in a word - "persistence!"

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Steven Wagenheim 14 years ago

Mike, first off, congratulations on your 10K posts and on your success online. I
didn't know about your recent health issues. I'm glad you're still with us. You're
right, we've lost many good people here.

I know we've had our differences, but I couldn't be happier for what you've
accomplished, especially coming from the background that you did. I'm truly
impressed.

I hope everybody struggling really takes the time to write what you did because
it is dead on the money. In fact, if I had it to do all over again, I would be
taking your advice and just build one authority site instead of doing the things
I did the past 9 years.

But that's all water under the bridge. And as I now prepare for retirement, I
hope that others have learned from my mistakes and won't make the same
ones. I did okay, but I could have done a lot better and I know it. I spread
myself too thin and didn't take advantage of the assistance I could have
gotten from others. Oh well, you live and learn.

I wish you only the best for the future. I know this may sound really crazy,
but if you ever want to talk, I'm here. I have a lot of time on my hands these
days not working much anymore so a chat is always welcome.

Take care, and here's to another 12 years and another 10,000 posts.

This place wouldn't be the same without you.
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MissTerraK 14 years ago

Truly inspirational post, Mike!

Not only do you share some of the most solid advice for internet marketers at any stage, but you also show the man behind the words. If one has any talent in reading between the lines, they would glean that hard work and being persistent alone won't lead to success, however blending those things with openness, honesty, and the true desire to help others along the way is what makes the winning recipe.

Thank you, congratulations and wishes for continued success!

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Henri Lind

14 years ago

Great 10000th post. This is the post everyone should read when everything doesnt go as smoothly as planned.

Keep on keepin' on!

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Irwin Dominguez

14 years ago

Thanks for the post and congratulations on your ten thousandth post.

Really valuable information you mentioned.

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tpw

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Organic traffic will follow without the need to spend all your time developing backlinks, writing articles or any of the other silly crap people do these days.

What a "silly article" you have just written Mike...

Don't get mad at me!! I am just teasing him!!

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jimbo159

14 years ago

Wow 10000th posts. A whole heap of gold in that article. Congrats on making it to where you are today.

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HeySal

14 years ago

Thanks Mike. Now I remember why I always liked this place. I just wish for your 10,000th post you'd tell us what you REALLY think.

BTW - I didn't realize you had been ill,either. Stop that. Seriously.

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Lucian Lada

14 years ago

Successful stories should be posted more often, congrats BIG Mike! I liked how you advice people to focus on long-term success (together with accepting failures as part of the process), rather than on short-term, though most people won't do it anyway.

Anyway, from now on you're on my "To follow" list.

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prasanth5

14 years ago

10,000 posts is a great achievement. I just want to know what you meant by 'I got nothing!'. I asked this question out of curiosity of course.

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RyanLeonard

14 years ago

Well said Mike

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misswahm

14 years ago

Great post! Now this newbie (not to business, but to most things internet related) is off to find out what the heck WSO means!

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cashp0wer 14 years ago

Great post Mike and congratulation on your 10,000 post! I wouldn't say you got nothin.. - I would say that you have a heck of a whole lot to say.
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PR Wizard 14 years ago

I swear this forum reads my mind some days. Just when I needed a little encouragement a post like this comes along. Someone with your outlook will always have success, thanks for posting.
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kyle4hire

14 years ago

Wow congrats for the 10k post men.. we are happy to hear that part of your story.

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Noel Cunningham

14 years ago

Fantastic post Mike and well worth the read - here's to another 10K posts

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Brian Tayler

14 years ago

Awesome to see community and support like this.

Way to go Mike. Always read your posts when they came up since day one.

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Ken Leatherman

14 years ago

I'm completely jealous of the 10K post. Here I'm laying on my death bed having to use my right pinkie to type out this post and its taking me 2 days to get this far. Big Mike I need you to finish this post for me as I'm now gasping for breath. :p

Better yet just have Paul Myers transfer your post count over to me so I can look like a real poster in the WF. Oh wait I forgot Greece won't let you transfer anything out of the country.

Enough joking around.

Big Mike (or as I affectionately call him BDA, loosely translated means Big Dumb Ass

) is one of several I decided to follow when I joined the WF back in 2005. Even his post that were contentious and controversial made good sense the vast majority of the time. On more than one occasion he called out those that were outright frauds and just flat did not know what they were talking about.

I really hate to sound like I'm sucking up to him, but I have to tell you guys without him my online money making days would never have happened without his and other warriors. He drove the point home to me that a business, is a business regardless if its online or a brick and mortar business.

For all your new folks one of the primary lessons you can take away from this thread is to find a warrior you can trust, evaluate what they have to say and apply their advice to your business.

Mike I have thanked you in more than one of your threads and now publicly I say Thank You. Stay real BDA.

Ken

The Old Geezer

P.S. Mike is the one who hung the Old Geezer on me. LOL!

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peewhy

14 years ago

You are an inspiration Mike! - well done!

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atrbiz

14 years ago

Nice post Mike! Thanks for always contributing to the WF community.

- Ahmad

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Muhsin Aziz

14 years ago

Wow..Thank you for the inspiring post.
It really made my day today and I look
forward to reading more of your posts in the future.

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drmani

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

One last thing that's served me well is to test everything for yourself. Don't simply take the word of others - listen to them, but then take what they say and test it for yourself rather than blindly following what could be very bad advice.

Of all the GOLD in this post, I think this one's the biggest nugget!

I've had the opportunity to discuss, argue and downright fight with some of the most intelligent, successful people online over many of the most interesting (and sometimes the silliest) issues of the time.

And isn't that what makes this forum so uniquely fascinating?!

Let me take this opportunity, Mike, to say a HUGE big 'Thank you' for
all that you've shared and taught Warriors over this time, and the
outstanding products you've created that helped so many of us run our
online ventures more comfortably and smoothly.

Here's looking forward to your NEXT 10,000

All success
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Kim Standerline

14 years ago

Dont you miss those wild west days though sometimes Mike...

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

While the Internet is no longer the wild west

Sorry to hear you've been poorly, and pleased to hear you're on the mend

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abuhanifa

14 years ago

congrats OP for reaching 10000 posts , i guess your 10000th post should have been something blasting, something like a freebie

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Kim Standerline 14 years ago

I think what you got was an excellent "freebie"

Read it and take note..

Originally Posted by abuhanifa

congrats OP for reaching 10000 posts , i guess your 10000th post should have been something blasting, something like a freebie
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Ken Leatherman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by abuhanifa

congrats OP for reaching 10000 posts , i guess your 10000th post should have been something blasting, something like a freebie

Hopefully you take this the right way. How much of a "Freebie" do you want? You have more nuggets in his original post that may well put more money in your pocket than you could even dream about.

I suggest you go back read the original post and take what it has to say to heart. IMO follow that advice and you will succeed.

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John Romaine

14 years ago

Post of the month.

Id be happy to do business with you anytime Mike.

Kudos, bro.

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Charanjit

14 years ago

Great post, one of the most motivating articles that I have read in the wf forum.

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tj

14 years ago

Congrats for the 10k post

- do you still remember your first posting here?

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Ken Leatherman 14 years ago

Originally Posted by tj

Congrats for the 10k post - do you still remember your first posting here?

Timo

I had to jump on this myself. There is no way in heck he can remember that far back?

His wife has to remind him where the bathroom is.

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vivi62

14 years ago

Nice to hear the truth from someone who has walked the walk and talked the talk also misswahm wso means warrior special offer.
love this thread
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dragtastic

14 years ago

Congrats on 10K - great post

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sarlat

14 years ago

A great post - full of wisdom. Congratulations on your 10k post!

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DanielGer

14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

My first bit of advice for those just starting out or struggling in business is to stop chasing after the quick scores and focus on sustainable, long-term strategies to grow into the success you want.

Excellent advice there mike, I definetly agree. Long-term strategies are the way to go people!

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jivens

Banned 14 years ago

What a beautiful read! I love this place. I don't care what anybody says. People like the OP make it worth it! I am always down for soaking up the wisdom when an IM veteran speaks his mind

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romanos8

Banned 14 years ago

God bless the warrior forum and thanks for this thread.

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goindeep

14 years ago

Congrats Mike!

I dont think i've had much dialouge with you directly but i'll be sure to keep my eye out on your posts for the future as you seem to know what you are talking about and arn't afraid to say it!

I hope your health is doing well - Get some of that Greek sun and olive oil into ya, its good for you'r soul!

The bits from your post that I got the most out of where when you talked about making 1 million online with the help of the warrior forum and how your first WSO did 1k a day. And of course the part where you said "Organic traffic will follow without the need to spend all your time developing backlinks, writing articles or any of the other silly crap people do these days. Use that one site to develop a variety of revenue streams to avoid putting all of your eggs into one basket. "

Thats gold right there!

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TheClarkey

14 years ago

10,000 posts and 8 years on WaFo. That's a great commitment; thanks for the posts and you surely do seem like a valuable part of the community!

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birddog200 14 years ago

Happy 10,000 from your loyal minion.
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Sarevok

14 years ago

Great post! it actually inspired me to make a change in my business structure.

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andynathan

14 years ago

I appreciate the insights! Great post!

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Simon74

14 years ago

Amazing post Mike. I agree to all you said, but mostly on the points that you need to work hard and focus and stop buying the next shine method to make quick money.

Thank you a 1,000,000,000 times

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Matson

14 years ago

Wow. That is quite a milestone Mike. Thanks for sharing your views on the past, present and future.

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14 years ago

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

put away your wallet and stop trying to buy your way into success. It just doesn't work that way

BIG Mike!

Love that there piece of advice -

Great post; belongs in the WF Hall of Fame
with yourself. Congratulations on 10K.

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williamk

Banned 14 years ago

Its pretty nice to see someone with 10000 posts. This is a real acheivement. I really hope to see you here more often.
Also what are you expert at mainly?

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WinstonTian

14 years ago

Happy 10k posts, BIG Mike.

Your post shows a lot about your business
philosophy, which I do respect!

Good day,
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1960Texan

14 years ago

Thank you and congratulations, Big Mike! Your post and this thread are what I love about the Warrior Forum: it's an Internet marketing university and community all rolled into one.

Will

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14 years ago

Hey Mike congrats and thanks for all the interesting and usefull post I have come across in WF made by you. It is time you take some of that wisdom and take some sense into these guys

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bydhoni

14 years ago

Wow 10k post...
Congrats Mike