Hear ye, Hear ye, harrumph harrumph (hugely important and deeply meaningful 2000th post inside)

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I'm here today to tell you about the most important thing I learned between posts 1 and 1999.

But first, a story. I love stories, don't you?

Back in the days when domains were expensive -- we're talking early 1990's -- I was single and barely getting by. I registered a domain for my fledgling antiques business. Only later did I realize what I hope all of you know: the challenge of driving paying traffic to a standalone site like that is tremendous. But I liked the name and kept paying renewal fees.

Fast forward to 2011. I'm in Silicon Valley, married and doing well with my businesses. Out of the blue a Hungarian woman finds me, even though the domain is privacy-protected, and makes me an offer: $2,500. She represents a European company with a very similar name. My domain (diadem.com) is shorter and easier to remember.

I thank her but say no. And I wait.

Two weeks later she politely asks if I'll counter.

I do some research and find that diadem.net is for sale at $3,788. I also learn that a commonly-used price multiplier for .com vs .net is 2x, which values the domain at $7,576.

However, since she had initiated the negotiation, I say I will accept $6,818 and we can split the escrow costs. And that's what happened.

Here is what I learned.

I was able to hold out for more money because I didn't need it.

Let me repeat that.

I made $4,318 more -- for the same property -- simply because I didn't need the money.

I learned how wealth works. True, my transaction was on a small scale but it's really as simple as that. People are able to hold out for million dollar deals because they're not starving or six months behind on the mortgage.

Basic stuff, sure. But that's a lesson I will never forget -- and don't you forget it either.

If you're in a position where you have to sell your belongings for whatever you can get, figuring out how to escape that life should become Job One. Work two jobs if you must, eliminate unnecessary expenses, start a business doing something you're already good at, whatever.

Even better, figure out how to get paid more for working the same amount of time -- I did that not long ago. Cut up your credit cards. Learn how to do without. Keep doing that until you have a nice solid cash cushion you can rely on.

Money attracts money. Sock some away today. Get more. What I wish for you is the power that comes from knowing you can walk away from a deal and lose nothing. Now that's Warrior proud!

fLufF
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  • Profile picture of the author The Real Deal
    Great post.

    What you say is 100% true. Whether you are the seller or the buyer you need to be willing and able to walk away from the deal at any point in order to negotiate the best price for you. If you are desperate it will shine through in your negotiations. That's exactly what a rainy day fund is for...making sure that you never get desperate!

    The master of this when it comes to selling domain names is Rick Schwartz.

    He turned down an offer of $1 million for Candy.com because he "knew it was worth more to someone"!

    Eventually he closed a deal and sold it for $3 million plus a revenue share!
    (He has also sold Men.com for $1,3 million and Property.com and Properties.com for $4 million but he has still sold less than 20 domains from a portfolio of several thousand domains, despite getting a HUGE number of offers over the years!)

    That's a good negotiation result! How many of us would be willing to turn down a million bucks for one of our domain names!?

    Less than two weeks ago I sold one of my domains for £4,000. I knew it was probably worth more to the right person, but I own more than 2500 domains and I thought it was a decent offer. It wasn't that I needed the money, but I figured that I bought it for less than £100 so it was a good ROI.

    Your post made me realize that I should probably have held out for more...
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    • Profile picture of the author fin
      I think your story resonates with what I'm trying to do at the moment.

      I could slap some book together to try and sell. It would probably be quite good. BUt since I started writing for a company I don't need the money from my website so I can afford to just give out information and wait until my product will be the best I can possibly do.

      So I'd also say to people to seriously consider freelancing, especially if you enjoy writing or design. Keep working on your baby in the background.

      Nice 2000th post.
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      • Profile picture of the author ArielT
        Thanks for sharing Fluffy, a recent history that happened to me with a domain was a bit different, 5 month ago, I see a domain that I liked very much and was at $280, buy now at Godaddy, in that moment I hadn't money to buy it, yesterday I look again and It seems someone has bought it and now the sale prize is $18,000! Now I could never own that domain because of the super high amount, I learnt that, things can be today and maybe not tomorrow
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      • Profile picture of the author The Real Deal
        I love stories about domain sales and how they happen! Your post got me all excited, so forgive for reciting another story about a domain sale in this thread!

        I think the story teaches a valuable lesson for anyone about to accept an offer for a domain name based on "what its worth to them".

        You must always try to remember what your domain name is worth to someone else, the "perfect" buyer, and not get excited about an offer too early.

        On December 2009 Craig Snyder, a young affiliate marketer, registered the domain name Camroulette.com. This was shortly after the chatroulette.com was started and Craig thought the concept of connecting random strangers for a chat was a great idea and would become hugely popular, (he was obviously right since the chatroulette.com website had 2 million visitors per month by March 2010!).

        His idea was to develop a similar type of website on the Chatroulette.com domain. His idea didn't come to fruition and when in February 2010 he received an offer of $1400 from Adam Strong (the founder of Domain Name News), he sold it. He was delighted!

        He felt like he was the luckiest guy in the world! This was one of the first domain names he had registered as "speculation".

        Great ROI! Register a domain name for $8-$9 and then resell it for $1400 less than three months later!

        Well the story doesn't end there, and its not a happy ending for Craig!

        A few weeks later Adam Strong sells the domain name at a public auction for $151,000!

        This was Craig's post at the Namepros domain forum shortly after the sale:
        I highly doubt anyone here is going to believe me and I don’t know why I want to embarrass myself like this when I’ve posted on another forum claiming it wouldn’t be mentioned outside, but I hand-registered CamRoulette.com @ Dynadot on December 12th, the day I heard about ChatRoulette.

        My original idea was to recreate a clone site, but that fell off. Months passed and nothing happened. On the same day I received about 3 offers for the domain, ranging from $400-$1200. I talked a bid up to $1400 and I sold the domain. A month later the guy I sold it to sold that domain for $151,000. That’s going to be a life lesson.


        I’m a 20 year-old affiliate marketer and that was my first dabble in the domain game. I had no idea something like that could happen and it is extremely hurtful and depressing to look back on it, I thought nothing could have really come of the domain. That’s an amazing sale by Adam and although I do regret this more than almost anything in my life, it gives me a little bit of hope.
        Lesson learned.

        Don't congratulate yourself too quickly just because you have an offer with a great ROI, maybe you are still about to sell your asset for far less than its worth
        !

        If you want to read a more detailed story about the camroulette.com sale you can find it here.
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        • Profile picture of the author Mike Roncone
          I am a strong believer that necessity breeds ingenuity and causes great things to happen.

          However, I work in the financial services industry (with my IM on the side.. for now) and I know very well that money attracts money.
          I know that when people aren't itching for it, money always seems to find them, and when they're worried that they can't afford the bowl of oatmeal that they're eating, they really can't afford it. (true story, had one of our clients ask me that when one of the private funds he was invested in turned out to be a scam)
          Luckily he was still able to afford it

          That being said, a lot of things have been happening for me in the past six months or so, and it started with getting a much better job offer (one that didn't require me to work the 70hrs/week that I had been working)

          Not needing the money, and having the extra time to come back and brush up on the love of my life (oh, the internet. How I love making money on you), I did just that. When the firm that I am working at hired a new marketing director, I decided "What the hell, what do I have to lose?" So I went up to her, told her about my online marketing history and casually told her all of the things that we could/SHOULD do to the website and the overall online strategy.

          A week later, I doubled my income from that job and officially had my first "client" for my Web Strategy business.

          Had I been desperate, and not casual as I had been, I still to this day don't think that I would have convinced her that a twenty year old intern that was still in college knew what he was doing.

          So, cheers to you and your well-informed decision to hold off and do some research first. I'm happy for you!

          Best,
          -Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Well done, Ms. Wondercat... Congrats, and here's to 2,000 more.

    Since you like stories, fLufF, here's one for you.

    When I finally finished college, I started looking for a job. I could write a good cover letter, and I had enough work experience in different fields to get interviews. But all I was getting was an irritatingly large stack of those "you're the greatest thing since sliced bread, but we hired someone else" letters.

    Out of the blue, I get a call from a headhunter I had sent a letter to, asking if I would be interested in interviewing for a job with a small company tucked into a small town hidden amongst the corn fields of Nebraska. Since the company would pay my travel expenses, I figured it would be good experience. I really did not care if I got that job or not.

    I spent the day with the head engineer, and was passed from department head to department head. I left the next morning with a job offer in hand (one I took, and spent five years making myself obsolete).

    I didn't consciously do anything different. The only thing I could think of was that I gave off a different vibe. I wouldn't chase them, so they had to chase me...
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    • Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      Out of the blue, I get a call from a headhunter I had sent a letter to, asking if I would be interested in interviewing for a job with a small company tucked into a small town hidden amongst the corn fields of Nebraska. Since the company would pay my travel expenses, I figured it would be good experience. I really did not care if I got that job or not. (emphasis fLufF)
      Before I left the work world, I spent four years as a Unix sysadmin contractor. Short term jobs, very lucrative. But it meant interviewing all the time, which I hated.

      Eventually I decided I was going to go into interviews relaxed and not caring whether I got the contract or not -- and you guessed it, that's when I got more contracts.

      Banks want to loan money to people who don't need it. Employers want to hire people who don't reek of desperation.

      fLufF
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Oh yes, brings back tearful memories. The 69 Mustang I sold for 500 because I needed the money so quick.... Well I could go on and on, but im better now lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedShifted
    Cat String Theory at its finest. This is not just a concept to incorporate in domain sales but I would honestly recommend in every single thing you do.

    The copy on your websites,
    In real life sales,
    In your dating life, business life, etc etc.

    Really anything. Great story!

    -Red
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  • Profile picture of the author GSX
    Wow this is awesome great first hand account of wealth, really dig it. Congrats on all your success!
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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Great story Fluff.

    @The Real Deal

    Enjoyed your stories too.

    With regard to the guy who was disappointed at selling his domain too cheaply, I think the fellow had the wrong mindset. After all, he didn't know how to market the domain to get the $151K and he got a great ROI. He should have been delighted at making an excellent profit on the deal and learning a great lesson into the bargain.

    Who knows if the guy who bought it for $151K will be posting in a year or so that the domain he 'gave' away for a mere $151K is now worth $1.5 million? It's the same basic thing. Sometimes, the lessons from life cost us money and they are often the best lessons we ever learn.

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author The Real Deal
      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      Great story Fluff.

      @The Real Deal

      Enjoyed your stories too.

      With regard to the guy who was disappointed at selling his domain too cheaply, I think the fellow had the wrong mindset. After all, he didn't know how to market the domain to get the $151K and he got a great ROI. He should have been delighted at making an excellent profit on the deal and learning a great lesson into the bargain.

      Who knows if the guy who bought it for $151K will be posting in a year or so that the domain he 'gave' away for a mere $151K is now worth $1.5 million? It's the same basic thing. Sometimes, the lessons from life cost us money and they are often the best lessons we ever learn.

      Will
      I agree with you Will.

      It was really sad to see on the NP forum at the time how this guy who was so happy about having registered a domain name for $8 and then getting offers of several hundred just a couple of months later, (and eventually $1400), turn completely broken.

      I usually try to look at the glass as being "half full" rather than "half empty", and be happy when I have made a deal that has given me a good ROI on my money and/or time. Sometimes it's hard though, especially when you sell something, (a domain or whatever) that you haven't had many offers on. In those cases you have to rely on your own judgement as to what the true value is, and that has let me down more than once... :rolleyes:

      For any deal to be truly successful both parties should walk away feeling like they got a better deal than they should have.
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  • I had some very very good domains and sold them to keep the lights on many years ago, now those same domains have since sold for insane amounts of money. I may not be at 2000 (congrats by the way) posts but I have been around a long time, enough to have seen my share of crazy deals. We love lessons when at least we can learn and move on in the right direction.
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  • Profile picture of the author R Hagel
    Great lesson.

    And not only can we take away your overall wealth lesson, but your post itself is an excellent copywriting/marketing lesson.

    If you had started your post here:

    Originally Posted by fluffythewondercat View Post

    If you're in a position where you have to sell your belongings for whatever you can get, figuring out how to escape that life should become Job One. Work two jobs if you must, eliminate unnecessary expenses, start a business doing something you're already good at, whatever....
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    ... yawns would have rolled up over the crowd. A tumbleweed would have blown through the thread. You might have smelled a bit of "funny smoke" as the 420 crowd tried to amuse themselves in other ways.

    But you told a story. You hooked us. You connected with the audience. You made your lesson memorable.

    Well done, on all accounts.

    Becky
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