Is it allowed to post the same article to different article directories?

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Jackbgd

Hey - Is it allowed to write one article and then submit that same article to 20 different article directories? Just to get more different backlinks.

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Hi Jack,

You could although I don't like to link an article to an article. All of my articles link directly to my product or squeeze page.

Angela Edwards' offers an excellent backlinks package. Many Warriors, including myself, have seen good results with them. Check the WSO section, it should be there.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Yes, you can do this without any problem. Some of the bigger directories like EZA like to have new content first so keep that in mind.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

However, Google will instantly detect it and treat it as "No Follow" links and you waste your time and the article warehouses might find out and punish you.

Yes, please listen to what he's saying, especially if you're competing against me in any niches.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

I don't know about you but I've actually experimented with submitting identical articles on phony accounts.

I do this everyday with multiple sites with no problems like you're describing. It's called 'syndication' not 'spamming'.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

To me, spamming identical articles should not be rewarded, by Google, or other places. But I can't say that with 100% certainty, just my own little test I did.

Like I said, it's syndication, not spamming. AP, Reuters and so forth do it all the time.

The point is to get your article with your link in it out there as much as possible. You want people to snag your articles from article directories and use them as content on their site. You want to get it in as many article directories as you can to promote your site.

Another thing to consider is that Google may not see these links for a while, if ever. For example, I have a small article directory site of my own and I get about 50-100 submissions a day, mostly from automated sources. I don't have time to sit there and approve and decline them every day so I run behind. It may be a week or a month before I approve a particular article and, unless the article owner promotes the article via bookmarking or pinging, Google may never even spider it.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

If that's the case then Google is what we need to understand - submitting the same article to 600 warehouses means what to Goolge? I've been going under the assumption that Google easily caught duplicate content and paid no attention to it.

Just look at how news articles, opinion columns and so forth get distributed and you'll begin to understand that this isn't a big deal. How much a link counts depends mostly on the keyword relevance and authority of the site where the link resides, not how many times the same article has been used on other domains.

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amitcor 17 years ago

Originally Posted by bgmacaw

I do this everyday with multiple sites with no problems like you're describing. It's called 'syndication' not 'spamming'.

Now you both got me really confused here. can anyone settle this?
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JonathanBoettcher

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

Sure! It's a free country (Well, it used to be).

However, Google will instantly detect it and treat it as "No Follow" links and you waste your time and the article warehouses might find out and punish you.

So no, don't do it.

This is an example of what used to work just a short time ago and doesn't work now.

I write a unique article and apply to EzineArticles for publication. I then spend 3 times the time to spin the article to 40% uniqueness and the first spun copy goes to GoArticles. Then I take the "master" spun version and submit it to a spinning company and they send out 400-600 spun articles in 50 releases per day increments.

As far as Google is concerned each article is unique enough to not raise eyebrows - that could easily change in the future; 40% uniqueness might not be enough. I can tell you that 40% uniqueness represents a lot of work - I can't get above that no matter how much time I spend spinning.

The two anchor-text links, in the resource box, point to 1) my website and 2) the post in my website that the article is about.

Everything you do has to be Google oriented - they run the Internet like a Stalinist dictatorship! Screw Google and its off to the Gulag for your website.

Good luck,

P.S.
I don't know what the lower percentage of uniqueness is for Google this second. Maybe someone here knows that. I use 40% since I can't seem to get above the value no matter what I do.

The article warehouses submit your article to their duplicate content system and they have their own threshold as to uniqueness - I haven't a clue what EA uses but that's the only one you need to worry about.

Don't forget to limit your key words to 3% saturation and find out what LSIs there are and use them too.

FYI I believe I heard somewhere that you need 20% uniqueness to get beyond copyright law... (don't quote me on this, I'm not a lawyer) but if you need only 20% uniqueness for the law to be happy (comparing with someone ELSE's work) then I would think 20% should be more than adequate for differing from your own work.

I realize you're not looking at this from a legal perspective, but I would imagine Google would view this similarly.

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17 years ago

This is good stuff to know. Thanks.

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k8spy8

17 years ago

That's a confusing one. Because article is duplicate in a sense if keywords get a match or the topic get a match. So sometime it make some trouble in submitting the article where there is already an article written on the same topic. But what you have said if keyword dont get common you may post the article.

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Jon Alexander

17 years ago

Originally Posted by k8spy8

That's a confusing one. Because article is duplicate in a sense if keywords get a match or the topic get a match. So sometime it make some trouble in submitting the article where there is already an article written on the same topic. But what you have said if keyword dont get common you may post the article.

nah, he's talking about duplicate in the sense that search engines decide its basically the same content. It's easy nowadays to change it automatically so it won't get caught like that. if you submit the same piece of text to lots of zines, without bothering to change it every time, you're pretty much wasting your time.

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M0n3yMan

17 years ago

The truth is there is a duplicate content to a certain extent,

You can submit the same article to multiple directories, You will NOT be penalized and multiple backlinks will count but there are limits, Say you submitted the same article to 500 sites and all 500 got indexed then alot of them will go in the supplemental index but not all of them google wont count all 500 of them but they will count a lot more than 1!

Also spinning the article will make them count alot more but again that has limitations there is no way you can spin 1 article into 500 40% unique articles you will have articles that will be 5%-10% and maybe duplicates if you do that many.

Point is I do believe that duplicate content filters exist to some point but they are not as strict and the effects are not as bad as everyone makes out.

Infact to do this test which I have done before just come up with an obscure article title put it in quotes in google to make sure no results return, then create an article and submit it through isnare's paid distribution that submits to hundreds if not thousands of sites. Wait a week or 2 (longer for more results) and then do the search for the title in quotes now if only 1 article is displaid then I will give up internet marketing. you should have a few pages of results but lets say it comes back with 8-9 pages then you will notice that when you get to pages 5-7 then the results will end with a link at the bottom saying something like some results were ommited click here to view ommited results etc.

This is based on some tests I have done and is my opinion as no one knows exactly how google works unless they are employed by them.

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M0n3yMan

17 years ago

To clear it up,

Google Will not punish you for submitting the same article.

Spinning is more effective for backlinks but is pointless if your submitting to 500 sites as you will have duplicates taking the whole object of spinning away.

submit a spinned version to say 30-50 article directories depending on how well you prepare your articles.

I personally use bothe techniques depending on the purpose If im looking for mainly backlinks then I will spin the article and submit to 30-50 sites and if Im writing a quality article for traffic, sales etc then I will submit the same article to 10-20 sites.

so no spinning the article isnt a waste.
submitting the same article isnt a waste.
submitting the same article will not get your ass spanked.

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TeddyP

17 years ago

I have had fine results when I have sent out identical copies of articles to about 15-20 article sites..haven't noticed a duplicate content penalty.

One question though is I do not post these articles on my actual website in fear of the "penalty" - should I be worried about THAT?

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M0n3yMan

17 years ago

Originally Posted by TeddyP

I have had fine results when I have sent out identical copies of articles to about 15-20 article sites..haven't noticed a duplicate content penalty.

One question though is I do not post these articles on my actual website in fear of the "penalty" - should I be worried about THAT?

No you should not be worried you will not recieve any penalties at all but you will have a hard time getting that article to rank above the same article in the directoreis for a few reasons:

1 the article directory will probably have more authority
2 when it is duplicate content google tends to count the first one they indexed as the original so as a results tends to out rank all the duplicates,

please note I said outrank, the duplicate articles will still be indexed and no penalties.

So it is fine

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M0n3yMan

17 years ago

I dont think I fully understand what your asking, but when you say you can make articles 40% unique first of all how many articles are 40% unique and how are you checking as each article needs to be compared to each other not just the original article.

40% uniqueness should be fine.

also make sure you are spinning your titles.

as to how to spin to get more unique articles then this is a good process:

take your original article and re-write each sentence another 2-3 times and then select words in each of the sentences and replace with synonyms.

example

"The dog ran down the road and bit the postman on the leg."

to
"{The {dog|big dog|bulldog|poodle} ran down the road and bit the {postman|man|woman|milkman} on the {leg|arm|bum}|As the {postman|man|woman|milkman} walking down the {road|park|pathway} a {big|small|ugly} dog ran and bit him|A man was out {jogging|running|gardening|washing his car} when a dog {chased|persued} and {bit|licked|chewed} him}. "

If you do this for all the sentences then you will have plenty of unique articles.

Do this to every sentence and you will have

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

Conclusions so far:

Google:
First occurrence of article it indexes carries the most weight. Additional scans of identical article carry progressively lower importance. No penalties from Google.

Yes, although a site with greater authority can sometimes upstage the original source in search results although usually both will be shown in results.

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

Article Spinner Software/Submission services:
No need to pay for spinning software/submission sites if you just want backlinks. This saves a lot of time for normal, run of the mill, articles. Spin quality articles for Google relevance.

Spinning can be valuable in submitting essentially the same article over and over again. While EZA and some other bigger sites might reject your submission as a dupe, other sites won't as long as it passes CopyScape or similar process. Remember that they're concerned about internal duplicate content.

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sagasu44 17 years ago

Ok, lots of percentages to get my head around in this thread, but some very good information. I am really studying up on article marketing at the moment so could be suffering from information overload. Here are some questions that may have already been covered but i have forgoteen already due to said information overload.

1. Damn, now i can't remember the question!

nope, i got it

1. Its not hard writing spin versions as has been mentioned there are many ways to say the same thing, synonyms etc. But I still can't see how I could get 400 version of the same content. So with that in mind, could I have 5 versions of an article and submit 1 version to 10 directories, one to another 10 and so on till I had 50 articles out there all backlinking to the same place? is this best practise?

2. What exactly does it mean to have your article syndicated?

3. Someone mentioned it was bad to put the article on your site as this is duplicating content, perhaps i misunderstood, surely if the info was on your site first then that is exactly what we should be doing...

which leads to....

4. I personally don't put my articles on my site, but I do write articles about the topic of my pages. Would it be worth having a blog in which to write my original articles, link that blog to my site, then link my articles to the blog as the final action?

So many q's, hope someone can clarify.
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Matt Gannon

17 years ago

I think I read on a Google site, that it does not count as duplicate content if its on another domain/host all together. Ill try to find it again and post the link here.. it should only hurt your website if its duplicated on the same host/domain. Read this maybe it will help some people http://www.google.com/support/webmas...n&answer=66359

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

This clearly indicates that spamming the same article, with no modifications, would be deceptive and serve just one purpose to fool Google.

No, it does not. Like I said, every news organization that permits their articles to be syndicated does this. Every blog that has an RSS feed does it. Every article directory does it. You promote a site through syndication of related content. There is absolutely no way that Google would penalize this because the practice is so commonplace.

Second, if it was that easy to get a site penalized this way one could easily sabotage competitors by doing it.

I suggest that you spend some time researching high ranking sites in competitive niches using professional level tools like SEO Elite or Market Samurai to see exactly how they achieved their rankings.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

However, we have a verifiable link to Google where they clearly state their definition of duplicate content and that Google can remove the offending website, from search results, without notice.

They don't though unless there is obviously something blackhat going on such as someone running massive campaign using YACG, Blogger Generator or other well known blackhat automation tool that leaves an obvious footprint and is obviously not a Google bowling attempt to sabotage a competitor.

In the big scheme of things, 400 links is tiny. So small that Google doesn't really care, especially if they come from low value sources like article directories. People tend to have an inflated view of their sites and react to normal search engine results fluctuations as if a penalty specifically applied to them.

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

Rules are rules - I would now classify submitting duplicate content as a Black-Hat technique. But that's just me.

If you strictly follow Google's guidelines the only thing left to you is "build it and they will come" which doesn't work.

Like I said, go take a look at what page 1 sites on highly competitive terms like 'credit cards', 'fat loss', 'adult dating' and the like are doing. You'll see several different strategies that work, that Google tacitly approves of, and that you can figure out how to adapt them to your own sites.

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melanied

17 years ago

That quote refers to duplicate content ON A SITE. That means lots of pages on one site with the exact same or highly similar content.

In that instance, the article clearly explains what Google does. First, make a determination if it's spam (ie - product catalog where one product shows up multiple times=fine. doorway pages=bad). Next, if the content falls under the "fine" determination, the algorithm chooses which page will be favored - usually the one that your own internal linking structure tells them is the most important - and that one will be listed, the rest will go supplemental. There's no "penalty."

That quote doesn't even address duplicate content across different domains.

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

From the article:

"Duplicate content on a site is not grounds for action on that site unless it appears that the intent of the duplicate content is to be deceptive and manipulate search engine results. If your site suffers from duplicate content issues, and you don't follow the advice listed above, we do a good job of choosing a version of the content to show in our search results."

This clearly indicates that spamming the same article, with no modifications, would be deceptive and serve just one purpose to fool Google.

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sagasu44

17 years ago

The link to the google article was very helpful Matt, and thanks for your definitions Perrymyk, I'm gradually starting to improve my vocab.

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tin tin

17 years ago

Originally Posted by Jackbgd

Hey - Is it allowed to write one article and then submit that same article to 20 different article directories? Just to get more different backlinks.

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A big No No. This is duplicate content according to Google and you can be penalized by making the link in the article to be a no follow.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

....another reply from the Google site...

Most of the information I've found there has been misinformation, either intentional or unintentional.

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

Folks who sell products/services that do this have a vested interest in the answer - I need more than just testimonials on a sales site. No insult intended towards anyone here.

I'll admit to using 'duplicate content' as a sales tool. It plays well in the market because so many people are concerned about it. Unfortunately, it's often in areas that they really don't need to be concerned about it.

Like I said, research the high competition winners in search using good analysis tools. You'll discover a lot when you do about what really works. You'll also find that there are things being done that go contrary to what some people say.

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bgmacaw

17 years ago

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

How can I measure the results? How do I know if I'm doing something productive? I know you mentioned a test - can we do a live test here?

As I said, the best thing to do is to look at actual sites and see what they're doing. Since you like timeshares, let's look at a few of them that rank well on some competitive search terms in this niche.

vacationregister.com - Here we find a site that relies a lot on link exchanges and directory listings.

timesharing2000.com - they also use link exchanges as well as forum marketing

sellmytimesharenow.com - With 60K+ incoming links they are quite a lesson in how to get links in the travel niche. They do a little bit of everything.

Dig through the links of sites that are ranking in niches you're interested in and see what they're up to and what the sites linking to them are doing. It's amazing what you'll find when you do this. You'll find sites with massive duplicate article submissions. You'll find obvious 2 way link exchanges and other linking schemes. You'll find massive directory submissions and social bookmarking. You'll find obvious paid links. The list goes on and on. They do all the theoretically 'bad stuff' that 'SEO experts' tell you that you shouldn't do although these sites rank well for competitive terms using these very techniques.

Originally Posted by PerryMyk

In the timeshare industry I get all kinds of fantastic vacation villas for peanuts for this very reason - its so complicated that folks who understand the system make out like bandits.

Sounds like you have the makings for a good ebook and membership site combo there.

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Jon Alexander

17 years ago

you're right, of course, if one cares to look at it from the perspective of 'what is a good user experience'.

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M0n3yMan

17 years ago

I will state again as there seems to be mass confusion???

writing articles for backlinks:
spinning the article will have a better effect than submitting duplicate articles.

if you do submit duplicate articles then google will count more than one article but not as many as if it was spinned.

submitting duplicate articles to multiple directories is not against google terms of service.

again I have tested this
I will even give an example of duplicate article being indexed more than once for an obscure title.
go to google and type this in quotes:
"some of my favourite normandy gardens"

I submitted that article to about 100 directories
also ranking fluctuates from page1 to top of page2 for target keywords.

PROOF duplicate articles get indexed multiple times!

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M0n3yMan

17 years ago

Its a good question,

Personally once the article is already written it doesnt take to much time to convert into a spin ready article. I think the time it takes is worth it as you have no duplicates at all and every article is unique.

also you must not just think about today as tomorrow always comes. What I mean by that is google changes its algo's all the time and I can only see them placing more weight to unique content as time goes on.

The thing is you should do both, You should write some decent quality articles purely for traffic generation and submit those to say 10-20 directories, this isnt necessarily for backlinks but for traffic etc and then you should write some quicker articles and not worry too much about the flow of the article purely for backlinks these articles should be spun and submitted to 50-100 articles directories.

this is a tactic I tend to use personally and seems to work for me.

Im not worried at finding the 100% best way to do something as I dont think there is one optimal technique, thats why I dont just submit duplicates or I dont just spin I use both.

Others have different techniques, find one you think makes sence use it and if it works stick to it, rinse and repeat.

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susanreed

16 years ago

I agree with "MON3yMan".

Test which technique works best for you stick to it, rinse and repeat. As rightly stated the Google algo constantly looks for fresh content........

My advise to you is to post quality content to top 20 sites for traffic and
create an article to optimize yr main kw,spun and post across the board to 100 to 150 sites this will generate back links to your money site.

hope this helps u !
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16 years ago

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CDawson

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There is nothing wrong with doing that, I would put the first article on Ezine first though. You could also put these articles on your website.

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rego 16 years ago

Well... I did it and there was no problem!

I posted the same article to GoArticles and Ezinearticles, so, I think it is allowed and, in my point of view, recommended!
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Randy Meirndorf 16 years ago

Common sense tells me that what these article directories are for is to give articles to people looking for content. So why would you get penalized if you had a popular and interesting article that people wanted to post on their site?
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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

OMG!!! Not again ????? Why does this come up over and over....

* Yes you can submit the same article to a thousand article directories
* No you do not have to submit to EZA and wait
* Yes you MUST submit the article to your site first
* No there is no duplicate content penalty - THIS IS A MYTH!
* Yes you can spin the articles if that is what you choose to do
* No you are not required to spin no article
* Yes you should use the WF Search funtion - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html
* No you should not just skip and read the last part of the thread I just posted
* Yes you should follow the advice on that thread "SERIOUSLY"
* No EZA is not the king of the hill and you do not need to submit to them to be successful
* Yes EZA can be outranked easily, I do it everyday
* No you do not need to listen to everybody that post
* Yes you should test things for yourself and track your own results
* No not all article directories are glorified ad sense farms
* Yes some article directories can get you listed better than others
* No you do not need to worry about PR - who cares!
* Yes you should submit everyplace you can
* No do follow / no follow does not matter - do not listen to unproven gossip

I hope that covers most of it .... Read the thread above please..

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kenjitay

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

OMG!!! Not again ????? Why does this come up over and over....

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I hope that covers most of it .... Read the thread above please..

James

haha, James, you have been busy =P

It is important to know that it IS your article and you have every right to do what you want with it... more importantly however, you should credit it to yourself first before crediting it to others..

^^

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by kenjitay

haha, James, you have been busy =P

It is important to know that it IS your article and you have every right to do what you want with it... more importantly however, you should credit it to yourself first before crediting it to others..

^^

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Exactly and why other want to give away their own authority just because someone says another site is an authority is way beyound me .... there is some bad advice in this thread...

Kudos to bgmacaw for keeping a few in check.

you should write some quicker articles and not worry too much about the flow of the article purely for backlinks these articles should be spun and submitted to 50-100 articles directories.

Wrong! - Quality matters a great deal and you should not be giving out advice to others telling them pretty much to fill the internet with more junk articles just to get backlinks. In the long run this method will hurt you ... It's just a matter of time.

if you do submit duplicate articles then google will count more than one article but not as many as if it was spinned.

This is not a correct statement - it does not matter if you spin the article or not it will be treated the same.. Duplicate Content is a myth no matter how you put it, I do not care if it is on your site, on the same ip, or on other sites.. What google does not want is for ou to build pages that are exact duplicates over and over on your site for the purpose of ranking better.

As for spun articles it was mentioned that getting 500 spun articles would produce a low % rate of uniqueness... This also is a incorrect statement, it may be the opinion of the poster but it is not true. The fact is and this is a fact, you as the writer control the output of your articles. I can very well get 500 articles out of 1 with 70%+ uniqueness. I am not saying anyone should do it or not, point is it can be done..

With that said let me point out that $1,000 worth of information has been posted http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html here all free of charge if you would only take the action to read the proven advice and take action on putting that advice to use. There is no reason anyone should not make money from this thread, fact is if you do not make money from the advice in that thread then you are not taking any action..

James

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Guitarnut

16 years ago

Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet

OMG!!! Not again ????? Why does this come up over and over....

* Yes you can submit the same article to a thousand article directories
* No you do not have to submit to EZA and wait
* Yes you MUST submit the article to your site first
* No there is no duplicate content penalty - THIS IS A MYTH!
* Yes you can spin the articles if that is what you choose to do
* No you are not required to spin no article
* Yes you should use the WF Search funtion - http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html
* No you should not just skip and read the last part of the thread I just posted
* Yes you should follow the advice on that thread "SERIOUSLY"
* No EZA is not the king of the hill and you do not need to submit to them to be successful
* Yes EZA can be outranked easily, I do it everyday
* No you do not need to listen to everybody that post
* Yes you should test things for yourself and track your own results
* No not all article directories are glorified ad sense farms
* Yes some article directories can get you listed better than others
* No you do not need to worry about PR - who cares!
* Yes you should submit everyplace you can
* No do follow / no follow does not matter - do not listen to unproven gossip

I hope that covers most of it .... Read the thread above please..

James

Sorry James but after having read the entire thread you suggest last night, seeing your response here absolutely cracked me up!! Don't let it get to ya!!

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TheRichJerksNet 16 years ago

Originally Posted by Guitarnut

Sorry James but after having read the entire thread you suggest last night, seeing your response here absolutely cracked me up!! Don't let it get to ya!!

LOL ... Well, I just had to do it ...

James
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pheonix44

16 years ago

It seems every week there is another thread about this topic. I have learned to just say screw it and get my content out to as many places as possible.

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bhackett

16 years ago

Amen pheonix44

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FriendlyRob

16 years ago

The best thing is to just check with the different directories and see what their rules are. They all have different requirements. My simple rule is don't mess with Ezinearticles, they are far too important. Everyone else is fair game.

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LynnM

16 years ago

As well as the thread James has mentioned already (about 149 times now, someone give him a medal!), you might find these recent threads useful:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-article.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-content.html

Lynn

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TheRichJerksNet

16 years ago

Originally Posted by LynnM

As well as the thread James has mentioned already (about 149 times now, someone give him a medal!), you might find these recent threads useful:

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-article.html

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...e-content.html

Lynn

Thanks Lynn, you're the best!

James

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Abiel Jiqna

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Jackbgd

Hey - Is it allowed to write one article and then submit that same article to 20 different article directories? Just to get more different backlinks.

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afcourse u can. U can put one article to as much websites as you want , but never put an article twice in one site.

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Is it allowed to post the same article to different article directories?

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