The $10,000.00 a month mindset.

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Here at the WF, we see a lot of people aiming for 100k a year, or better yet, the 10k a month income from their IM.

Just recently, a Warrior posted it took him 5 years to reach that and stay consistent. It would be nice to see a year from now how he is doing and if that was maintained. There was a Warrior in the past, who took even longer, 7 or 8 years to hit his 100K a YEAR goal, which he did.

Then he started selling his HOW TO info in the WSO. In less than a year, he went from 100k to under 10 k for THE YEAR. He recently came back to the WF, out of sheer boredom, to see what was going on. Anyhow...

It is not uncommon for an Entrepreneur in the real world to spend 5 years or more getting those results, mostly through trial and error and finding their own path. Once they reach it, they have either systems or their tactics can keep them at that level.

Online, we have seen a lot of people hit the 100k a year mark, only to be swatted down because they built their money making machine on someone's beach (like the Article Marketer) and got washed away by the tides of changing algorithms.

So, struggle, trial and error seem to be part and parcel of the journey, BUT, there is the flip side to that coin.

My old friend Jim Straw came online, and within 2 years built a 6 figure a MONTH affiliate marketing business, he was so successful, he closed down his paper and ink publishing business which he had operated for decades.

How long it takes any given person to reach the 10k a month mark has as much to do with the MINDSET along with the knowledge, skills and experience they bring with them as it does with just grinding it out.

See, there are those Warriors who have spent a decade without success, some going 8, 11 years without making any money, after having spent thousands on various courses.

Sure, chasing shiny objects, rainbows and unicorns have a lot to do with it, and wanting unrealistic rapid results, but I want to argue the lack of preparation and bad choices have as much to do with failure as anything.

The one way to get rapid results is through preparation, not just learning software, or social media...but basics like accounting and budgeting.

There have been many people get to a high level and then spend their money, without saving or reinvesting and when something happens, they are unprepared. A month of basic business how to, which includes accounting, budgeting, marketing and general business management would bode many well before they dive into IM.

There is a tendency when someone hits their goal, to see things through their personal journey glasses, so if it takes someone 5 years to hit 100K a year, that is what HE will say, teach, believe or have experienced.

If they took 8 years, they will tell YOU it takes 8 years.

How long does it take to get to 100k a year? As long as you THINK it does. It takes as long as it takes based on what you do and how you do it.

And that depends what you bring with you to the game. Matt Furey teaches the PSYCHO-CYBERNETICS self-image approach. Which basically says your self image acts as a governor on your behavior.

We tend to do what we believe we can.

I have long advocated an approach which begins with self analysis, and knowing what one wants, the goal in as much detail as possible along with a reason WHY one would want to achieve it. Old school (and tons of success from it) would be Earl Nightingale who said: "We tend to live up to our expectations."

So, if it takes you 10 years, I would ask why?

If it takes you two years, I would ask HOW?

There are no rules, no IM regulations, no Online cops giving tickets for jaywalking.

But getting there and STAYING there, are two very different things, which is also, governed by mindset, as opposed to blaming Google or Facebook for pulling the rug out from under you.

How long does it take? As long as you make it take.

GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    A monthly income target is a relic of a salary mindset. I've never heard any true entrepreneur talk in those terms. For an entrepreneur, it's about building a business asset, the value of which could take years to realize - or might make an almost instant return. An experienced entrepreneur soon learns to judge which is more likely and either sticks with it or cuts his losses.

    Without real world business experience, it's easy to see how prospective marketers fixate on a monthly income figure or buy into the mantra that with enough time and persistence, success is inevitable. Their thinking is still in career mode.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      A monthly income target is a relic of a salary mindset. I've never heard any true entrepreneur talk in those terms. For an entrepreneur, it's about building a business asset, the value of which could take years to realize - or might make an almost instant return. An experienced entrepreneur soon learns to judge which is more likely and either sticks with it or cuts his losses.

      Without real world business experience, it's easy to see how prospective marketers fixate on a monthly income figure or buy into the mantra that with enough time and persistence, success is inevitable. Their thinking is still in career mode.
      There is a difference between "true Entrepreneur" and IM Prospects, and that may be mostly in how they THINK. If more began from the ...

      I want to build a business ASSET, as opposed to...

      I want to make money online, and reach 10k a month as a measurement of my success...they might reach their goal more quickly, and have something of value that lasts.

      We've seen many a Warrior climb to the 100K a year peak, only to be Jacked and Jilled down the hill by Google, Facebook, or some other thing which they blame.

      It would be nice, albeit, somewhat of a stretch, to see more Entrepreneurs here than the make money quick and easy crowd, but that is the WF target market, is it not?

      GordonJ
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        There is a difference between "true Entrepreneur" and IM Prospects, and that may be mostly in how they THINK. If more began from the ...

        I want to build a business ASSET, as opposed to...

        I want to make money online, and reach 10k a month as a measurement of my success...they might reach their goal more quickly, and have something of value that lasts.

        We've seen many a Warrior climb to the 100K a year peak, only to be Jacked and Jilled down the hill by Google, Facebook, or some other thing which they blame.
        I think once someone is clearing a low six figures a year, their problems change.

        Like you just said, they get shut down. But that takes many forms.

        They have one credit card processor and they get cancelled. One financing source, one supplier. They also often rely on one method of lead acquisition. It could have been FAX, infomercials, robo calls, articles online....and the algorithm changes, the law changes.

        And now you are left with nothing other than expenses.

        So, have alternates. At least two sources of everything.......it took me too many years to learn that. And it cost me money.



        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        It would be nice, albeit, somewhat of a stretch, to see more Entrepreneurs here than the make money quick and easy crowd, but that is the WF target market, is it not?

        GordonJ
        It's that there are so many more "opportunity seekers" than real business people.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          I think once someone is clearing a low six figures a year, their problems change.

          Like you just said, they get shut down. But that takes many forms.

          They have one credit card processor and they get cancelled. One financing source, one supplier. They also often rely on one method of lead acquisition. It could have been FAX, infomercials, robo calls, articles online....and the algorithm changes, the law changes.

          And now you are left with nothing other than expenses.

          So, have alternates. At least two sources of everything.......it took me too many years to learn that. And it cost me money.





          It's that there are so many more "opportunity seekers" than real business people.
          Great points. Had that happen to a cc processor, it was a tough lesson to learn. But once burned, twice prepared.

          My conflict is with:


          It's that there are so many more "opportunity seekers" than real business people.


          Having made mini fortunes from both, the low hanging fruit is definitely BIZ 0P, but the real business people are more sustainable and have a much higher lifetime value.

          My conflict happens when lust enters the pic, my WANTING something NOW, tends to throw me toward the Biz-Op crowd, it is evergreen, a pig in the python, and pretty easy to tap into.

          Good think I've tempered my lusts with unwavering decrepitness.

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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            My conflict happens when lust enters the pic, my WANTING something NOW, tends to throw me toward the Biz-Op crowd, it is evergreen, a pig in the python, and pretty easy to tap into.
            And every year, there is a new crop of them....with hopes and dreams...and credit cards.

            Like you, I have changed a little. My new sales training course (probably out early next year) is going to be marketed to salespeople with at least a year of real sales experience, and business owners in applicable fields.

            I don't need to sell everyone. I don't want everyone. Most salespeople are new. It's that new people drain the life out of me.

            If I were selling maps to a gold mine, my preference is to be in the map selling business. I'd sell to prospectors.

            Yes, most of the money would be made in the "I'll get the donkey, the supplies, go with you to the gold mine, help you dig, hold your hand while you pan for gold, and tell you how great you are when it takes a while to find gold" business. But I'm not in he babysitting business. I used to be (hiring and training new reps), but now I just want to talk to people who already have done something.

            Here? I can stop posting if the person shows they are hopeless.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              And every year, there is a new crop of them....with hopes and dreams...and credit cards.

              Like you, I have changed a little. My new sales training course (probably out early next year) is going to be marketed to salespeople with at least a year of real sales experience, and business owners in applicable fields.

              I don't need to sell everyone. I don't want everyone. Most salespeople are new. It's that new people drain the life out of me.

              If I were selling maps to a gold mine, my preference is to be in the map selling business. I'd sell to prospectors.

              Yes, most of the money would be made in the "I'll get the donkey, the supplies, go with you to the gold mine, help you dig, hold your hand while you pan for gold, and tell you how great you are when it takes a while to find gold" business. But I'm not in he babysitting business. I used to be (hiring and training new reps), but now I just want to talk to people who already have done something.

              Here? I can stop posting if the person shows they are hopeless.

              but now I just want to talk to people who already have done something.

              Here? I can stop posting if the person shows they are hopeless.


              I took one or two steps further than you have, by NOT WANTING to talk to people at all.

              In 2004, with a list of over 10k buyers, that was all I was doing. Found I could make just as much moolah from a tenth of that, with a lot less Q and A and HANDHOLDING.

              Then, that got to be a lot to deal with, and I conferred with Harvey Brody, one of my Mentors, who closed down a very lucrative publishing business because he was sick of his employees. Today, he talks to very few people, and that usually, just to refill orders.

              I'm currently working with an Entrepreneur who is bringing a Home Study course out next year and we're trying to figure out how to do it without the slop and mess of talking to people,

              Much harder today than two decades ago. But we'll figure it out.

              I very much like the Bill Myers concept of a Vending Machine, like buying a candy bar, where they buy the product, and leave me alone.

              As for the WF TIME WASTERS (TW), we learn pretty quick, after a slew of good answers, suggestions and advice that is ignored, followed by another question (and he sees crickets)...who these guys are.

              Being a helpful bunch, we tend to bend over backwards, until the realization the poster is just wasting his time, so we don't waste ours.

              NO people contact, for some of us (ME), that is the ideal MMO concept.

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              • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                just as much moolah from a tenth of that, with a lot less Q and A and HANDHOLDING.

                Then, that got to be a lot to deal with, and I conferred with Harvey Brody, one of my Mentors, who closed down a very lucrative publishing business because he was sick of his employees. Today, he talks to very few people, and that usually, just to refill orders.

                I very much like the Bill Myers concept of a Vending Machine, like buying a candy bar, where they buy the product, and leave me alone.
                Wait! You knew Jim Straw? You know Harvey Brody? Bill Myers?

                I have to admit. I'm jealous. I saw Jim Straw stand up at a Dan Kennedy event, and wave to the crowd. My guess is that besides me...five people knew who he was.

                I walked by Glenn Turner ( recognized him) at a Kennedy event, and stopped him for a few minutes. Two old salesman, talking shop.

                To me, these guys are legends. We stand on the shoulders of giants.
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      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

      A monthly income target is a relic of a salary mindset. I've never heard any true entrepreneur talk in those terms. For an entrepreneur, it's about building a business asset, the value of which could take years to realize - or might make an almost instant return. An experienced entrepreneur soon learns to judge which is more likely and either sticks with it or cuts his losses.

      Without real world business experience, it's easy to see how prospective marketers fixate on a monthly income figure or buy into the mantra that with enough time and persistence, success is inevitable. Their thinking is still in career mode.
      i personally think the more poisonous mindset involves anything that has a retirement date ..true entrepreneurs are usually workaholics from the start . and build their businesses around the way they work .. and never really stop ..adjust as they get older .. but never really stop .

      many in this space are struggling because their success .. is building a business so they do not have to work .. what isn't in their mindset is that they can have work they enjoy ..
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        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        i personally think the more poisonous mindset involves anything that has a retirement date ..true entrepreneurs are usually workaholics from the start . and build their businesses around the way they work .. and never really stop ..adjust as they get older .. but never really stop .

        many in this space are struggling because their success .. is building a business so they do not have to work .. what isn't in their mindset is that they can have work they enjoy ..
        Great insight. The mindset you hold about the whole concept of "work" is probably the key difference.
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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        many in this space are struggling because their success .. is building a business so they do not have to work .. what isn't in their mindset is that they can have work they enjoy ..
        That's a key point, I think.

        Most people work so that they can retire. They want the work to end.

        And when pitching a business opportunity, the goal that is shown, is the luxury you'll live in...after you retire from work. And that's what people buy...the reward. But these people rarely get anywhere.

        The people that really succeed are the ones that love the grind. It's the journey itself that they love, not the promise of some far off reward.

        Most employees are thinking of the eventual escape from their work. The ones that do really well are embracing their work.

        Apparently, I can't let anyone else have the last word.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          That's a key point, I think.

          Most people work so that they can retire. They want the work to end.

          And when pitching a business opportunity, the goal that is shown, is the luxury you'll live in...after you retire from work. And that's what people buy...the reward. But these people rarely get anywhere.

          The people that really succeed are the ones that love the grind. It's the journey itself that they love, not the promise of some far off reward.

          Most employees are thinking of the eventual escape from their work. The ones that do really well are embracing their work.

          Apparently, I can't let anyone else have the last word.
          We're glad you don't. Any added wisdom from the Elders, those branded by the fires of trial and error, and like yourself, those who DO, and know the truths of life (and gladly share them) are always welcome to have the last word. I anticipate yours.

          GordonJ

          PS If only a few more Warriors actually used all the Wisdom we old dogs share, there might be a little less barking up the wrong tree by some of these pups, eh?
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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          That's a key point, I think.

          Most people work so that they can retire. They want the work to end.

          The people that really succeed are the ones that love the grind. It's the journey itself that they love, not the promise of some far off reward.

          Most employees are thinking of the eventual escape from their work. The ones that do really well are embracing their work.

          Apparently, I can't let anyone else have the last word.
          one of the thing i have learned studying the most successful people in many areas is the effort or work they put in is in constantly improving productivity
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  • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
    I think one problem with the people that take years to make any real headway (other than just not doing enough to matter)...is this...

    They take a course, try an idea or two out of the course....while doing everything else wrong...and the idea doesn't generate huge wealth. Then they think "Well, that doesn't work", and they go to the next course/training/guru/idea. They never find the 500 things they are doing wrong, while trying every new idea. So nothing works hardly at all.

    Another thing I see is believing that the first sale is the big money maker. They buy $10 in ads, make $7 in sales, and say "I lost money. That doesn't work". But many fortunes are made by losing a little money on the front end, to get the customer. Once you have someone who has given you money, and likes what they got in return, that person may be worth thousands of "names" you may be trying to sell for the first time.

    And beginners (until you've made money, you're still a beginner) hear something like "You need to build a list" or "Market to your list"...and they get subscribers by buying them from someone else, or giving something away to get the name and E-mail address.

    The e-mail list they have is pretty worthless. What's a good list? a list of people who have bought from you before. Or a list of people who have bought what you sell before.

    An analogy is in selling. I've had reps that tell me "I can't sell anything, and I'm doing exactly what you are doing". But they are not. They are doing what they imagine I'm doing. They are doing a small part of what I am doing, and the rest is counterproductive stuff they believe should work. But if I can't see everything they are doing, I can't tell what part is killing the sale.

    Like making a cake. A recipe tells you exactly what to add, in what order, in what amounts. But if you decide "Instead of flour, this powdered concrete dust is cheaper. I'll use it."...your cake isn't a cake.

    And that's a reason many internet marketers (or salespeople/marketers of any kind) are failing. They are mixing concrete dust in with the rest of what they are doing...and it's killing the results.

    Heck, we have people here ask "Why isn't my website selling?" and then we go to the website and see why....everything on the website is screaming "I have no idea what I'm doing. Don't buy from me!".

    Anyway, I wanted to vent.
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  • Can I get real Sweetsypoppet here?

    bcs kinda what mattahs here is VALYOO.

    I would wish for evrywan here to be pulsin' that baby out to max effect for the benefit of their Whomsoevahness.

    So ... what happens when alla the success is done?

    Or ... midways in the transition slot between dreamin'/plannin' an' gettin' sumplace / bein' shot in the ass for a heretic ... how is evrythin' playin' out in yr body & brain?

    Tellya, biggest dreamo illusion we got is how we can mebbe make out like the Gods -- or the Goddesses ( bcs they got way more seductively compellin' slinkywear).

    We figure pools fulla milk, hunney & chardonnay.

    Easeful sunsets cruisin' all beautysum till we gotta snooze on our coolest ideahs of the day.

    Languish beyond all sufferin'.

    Prahblem with reachin' any plateau is how it plays out real soon into endless plains invitin' mountains.

    Which mean gettin' yr boots on all ovah again.

    Huh, was so easy sippin' cocktails by the pool, but now I gotta go make with the crampons anew.

    Hey, but ain't anew sumthin'?

    Self-refreshment of zeal in a Cosmos undooly bummed by fear, genrl stiflestuffs, plus also kinda stoopids?

    Point is, opportoonity seekers abound.

    Ain't no intrinsic prahblem with opportoonity seekin' less'n you can't get what you wanna.

    Or ... you land the Big One but kinda happen to be way corrupt.

    I PROFFER THIS WISE COUNSEL

    FROM THE CURIOUS COMFORT OF A WAY SQUISHY PIZZA
    DRIBBLIN' MOLTEN CHEESE OVAH MAH CHOPS

    Hey, yeah -- so make of this what you will.

    Anewsome is the new ungruesome.
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    So, if it takes you 10 years, I would ask why?

    If it takes you two years, I would ask HOW?

    There are no rules, no IM regulations, no Online cops giving tickets for jaywalking.

    But getting there and STAYING there, are two very different things, which is also, governed by mindset, as opposed to blaming Google or Facebook for pulling the rug out from under you.

    How long does it take? As long as you make it take.

    GordonJ
    Going by the last few months, l expect to get over 100k within the next two years, (l may achieve that sooner, but it depends on consistency of investments).

    And it is online trading!

    How, sorry that is $1,500 WSO territory or a trade secret, but Claude gave a hint to that, or l had to make this work.

    So regardless of how many years l couldn't make this work, l had to make this work, and ended up making this work.

    Or most try fail, and give up. I also tried for years had a big failure, but kept going, and figured something out.

    The rich are not super smart they are just stubborn as hell!

    But 10k a month is subjective, or nice when it happens, but it is not a goal for me more of a stepping stone. For me the system is the main focus and the end result is conformation. Or once you have a way of making money then reinvesting that, to make more, that is obviously risky.

    And as Claude said, l could blame the T-3 ruling, (l can currently trade up to three times on one day, but cannot trade 4 times, not without having to spring trade it). Or getting my account locked for some time, (my account gives a warning).

    Some borrow 10k and make a fortune with it on the Stock market, but most don't. And the most do not making a furtune, because their IQ is too low, more because the Stock Market doesn't give a toss, about you. It can and will tear your heart out if you let it, or it is a bit like getting a gold tooth from a shark.

    Most cannot and some will lose a limb or their life, but a small number will figure it out.

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    zero reward.

    Passion --
    howevah it swellsya --
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    forward.

    Inhabit yr flesh,
    Be moreward:
    Juicylicuoisness
    ungnawed.

    Put nuthin'
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    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

    That's a key point, I think.

    Most people work so that they can retire. They want the work to end.

    And when pitching a business opportunity, the goal that is shown, is the luxury you'll live in...after you retire from work. And that's what people buy...the reward. But these people rarely get anywhere.

    The people that really succeed are the ones that love the grind. It's the journey itself that they love, not the promise of some far off reward.

    Most employees are thinking of the eventual escape from their work. The ones that do really well are embracing their work.

    Apparently, I can't let anyone else have the last word.
    Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

    one of the thing i have learned studying the most successful people in many areas is the effort or work they put in is in constantly improving productivity
    I get what "it" is that you mean and for me "it" is improving sales. Improving self-productivity is one thing and typically improves sales, however too many people think that is all there is to it because they lack business experience and focus on working harder whereas an entrepreneur focuses more on improving sales via thinking smarter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

      I get what "it" is that you mean and for me "it" is improving sales. Improving self-productivity is one thing and typically improves sales, however too many people think that is all there is to it because they lack business experience and focus on working harder whereas an entrepreneur focuses more on improving sales via thinking smarter.
      Jeffery your way of thinking and doing business was probably outside the box before outside the box was a term people used ..and many of you old school entrepreneurs had some kind of hustle or way to make money when you where in your teens that wasn't working a job ..

      now as for self improvement .or personal productivity ..tech is outpacing human productivity in so many areas ..95 percent of self improvement is really better use of tech or acurieing better tech .. the same way entraprenurs use debt to brow their businesses or investment .. to make more money ..and and an huge percent of people get in debt and need a safe stable job to make money ..

      entrepreneurs will naturally figure out how to use tech to mech money and build businesses .. and replace the ned for human employees who can stay off their f#$%^ cellphone ..when they should be working

      i am going to change the tone a little ..because of the low start up cost and the main risk running an online business is the algorithm changing or your credit card processor screwing things up.. the majority of people starting businesses .. that don't require outside capital , signing leases or employing people .. should not really be considered entrepreneurs .. at all ..
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      • Profile picture of the author tagiscom
        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        Jeffery your way of thinking and doing business was probably outside the box before outside the box was a term people used ..and many of you old school entrepreneurs had some kind of hustle or way to make money when you where in your teens that wasn't working a job ..

        i am going to change the tone a little ..because of the low start up cost and the main risk running an online business is the algorithm changing or your credit card processor screwing things up.. the majority of people starting businesses .. that don't require outside capital , signing leases or employing people .. should not really be considered entrepreneurs .. at all ..
        That is a bit rough, Musk came up with PayPal and sold it off for $132,000,000, and l don't think he had a team helping him apart from living near his Laptop for years on end, and his Mother making his dinners.

        Actually two teenagers locked themselves in an apartment living off pizza for about 6 weeks, developing Doom, (mainly to crack 3D rendering) and word of mouth made their fortunes.

        An Entrepreneur takes risks, creates wealth and makes it grow, a brick and morter business is helpful but isn't a kudo.

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        • Profile picture of the author Odahh
          Originally Posted by tagiscom View Post

          That is a bit rough, Musk came up with PayPal and sold it off for $132,000,000, and l don't think he had a team helping him apart from living near his Laptop for years on end, and his Mother making his dinners.

          Actually two teenagers locked themselves in an apartment living off pizza for about 6 weeks, developing Doom, (mainly to crack 3D rendering) and word of mouth made their fortunes.

          An Entrepreneur takes risks, creates wealth and makes it grow, a brick and morter business is helpful but isn't a kudo.

          only a small fraction of business people or people who start business ..end up being entraprenurs ..
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

            only a small fraction of business people or people who start business ..end up being entraprenurs ..
            Businesses. Would it surprise anyone to find out most businesses are started as a JOB ALTERNATIVE?

            I do agree, a small fraction of people who start a business are Entrepreneurs. Here, at the WF, which I have to keep reminding myself (and others) is where we are at...one will find very few risk takers, which categorize an Entrepreneur.

            We have tens of thousands who want a JOB, where they are the boss, and work from home, and make enough to survive off of.

            Many momma and poppa operations are a JOB, they pay a workman's wages to the owners, and for the most part, the businesses are happy with that.

            As has been pointed out, any dollar amounts pursued, are not the sign of Entrepreneurship, but it is a yardstick HERE at the WF, which is why I posted it up.

            I think the VAST majority of Warriors who reach the 10k a month earnings level, feel that they have achieved their IM success, albeit, it may be a harder JOB than what they could do, but they only have themselves to answer to.

            120K a year, in about the Pareto (80/20) %, would be a JOB. An Entrepreneur could make half of that, or 10x that amount.

            But here, at the WF, most want a JOB income, and are willing to work much harder (or so they claim) than they would for someone who would be their boss.

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            • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

              Many momma and poppa operations are a JOB, they pay a workman's wages to the owners, and for the most part, the businesses are happy with that.


              I think that's right, for the vast majority of small business owners. They are concentrating on the "doing" of whatever they do...and not the marketing and growth of their business.

              For example, the retailers in my core business are almost universally repair guys that decided to open their own shop. But the act, work, and market...as though they are doing a job. Often they even tell me how much they make per hour.

              And most people are perfectly happy with that.

              And truth be told, in my soul, I'm a salesman. The entrepreneur in me is secondary.
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                Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                I think that's right, for the vast majority of small business owners. They are concentrating on the "doing" of whatever they do...and not the marketing and growth of their business.

                For example, the retailers in my core business are almost universally repair guys that decided to open their own shop. But the act, work, and market...as though they are doing a job. Often they even tell me how much they make per hour.

                And most people are perfectly happy with that.

                And truth be told, in my soul, I'm a salesman. The entrepreneur in me is secondary.
                it is interesting to see the patterns over the last 250 years of entrepreneurship and the industrial age ..American have this real ridgid model for business and entrepreneurship..

                where much of the world even poor people run businesses and build out over years working 12 hours or more a day ..and living with in walking distance of their business ..

                because of zoning and other laws .. around the country .. there are a lot of people who are capped on how big their home businesses can get .. and work within that "mostly "

                because of how poorly wages have grown over the last 30 years .. the jim rohn quote that 1,000- 2,000 extra a month is life changing to most people ..is still accurate . when 50 percent of wage earners earn less than 40,000 a year ..

                the 10k a month put people in the top ten percent .. but if they are starting out at 2k a month or less ..many will be happy when they replace the income from their job and get to 3-4 k a month . ambition may already start to fade .. as the main goal was achieved .. unless they are in a real high cost of living part of the US ..
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                  Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                  it is interesting to see the patterns over the last 250 years of entrepreneurship and the industrial age ..American have this real ridgid model for business and entrepreneurship..

                  where much of the world even poor people run businesses and build out over years working 12 hours or more a day ..and living with in walking distance of their business ..

                  because of zoning and other laws .. around the country .. there are a lot of people who are capped on how big their home businesses can get .. and work within that "mostly "

                  because of how poorly wages have grown over the last 30 years .. the jim rohn quote that 1,000- 2,000 extra a month is life changing to most people ..is still accurate . when 50 percent of wage earners earn less than 40,000 a year ..

                  the 10k a month put people in the top ten percent .. but if they are starting out at 2k a month or less ..many will be happy when they replace the income from their job and get to 3-4 k a month . ambition may already start to fade .. as the main goal was achieved .. unless they are in a real high cost of living part of the US ..
                  I highlighted the part of your post about ZONING, which mostly caps traffic, or numbers of people, but NOT income. And to bring this full circle back to my original point, there is no CAP put on anyone here when it comes to income, or the SPEED of getting it.

                  I appreciate you calling attention to a more Macro view, the world has different modes of operation depending where you are, but for all intents and purposes, IM, Internet Marketing tears down barriers, eliminates borders (for the most part) and allows anyone with access to the Internet to engage in money making activity.

                  I like money goals for MOST IMers, although the risk takers, the Entrepreneurs fall into a different arena, as do inventors and product developers.

                  Money is measurable, and when there are goals in place, fairly easy to track progress, or lack of it.

                  The 10k a month is an arbitrary number, used a lot here at WF, as a yardstick of IM success. But, if it is costing you 11k to earn it, not so great unless you're building the next Amazon.

                  Now, I just read a post from a guy who has hit the 10k a month figure and has had a REVELATION. He had his AH HA moment when someone told him (for the billionith time) ...

                  The money is in the list. And you must build a relationship with the list.

                  And this is sort of my windmill I choose to joust with. Some Warriors who have spent the 5, 7 or 11 years getting NOTHING chose to ignore those common ideas which have come from the experienced.

                  I have had many a "discussion" here over the decades when someone who has reached her/his goal says it takes X number of years, or it takes a lot of FAILURE or trial and error.

                  NO it doesn't. It takes doing what is known to work.

                  Is there money in a list? Maybe. If you cultivate it, know who to get on it in the first place.

                  I have to wonder if the guy who spent 5 years could have cut off a couple of them had he taken the advice he had heard billions of times, and actually applied it? Common sense tells us his achievement would have been expedited, does it not?

                  Here in the MINDSET sub-forum we see countless discussions about the thinking, the positive images, the "right" kind of thinking, and much of it comes from guys who have been here 5 years or longer, and still have not reached their goals...but man, do they have the RIGHT mindset, eh?

                  DOING what it takes. Doing what has been tested and proven to work. Doing the WORK, instead of thinking about it, instead of hearing it a billion times, the DOING of it, whatever the it is...

                  is the right mindset to be in. One of movement toward a goal, even if you choose not to have a monetary one, you should have some evidence you are getting closer to what you want (even if that is to enjoy your status quo, and appreciate your journey).

                  Does it really take 5 or 7 years of struggle, trial and error to find yourself and to get aligned with your desires? I reckon that is opinion...and mine is simply, that is an EXCUSE.

                  Doing is the answer.
                  Doing is the clue.
                  Doing what is known to work,
                  Could it work for you?

                  Feel free to refute, respond or ignore. Or add to the discussion.

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                  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
                    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                    DOING what it takes. Doing what has been tested and proven to work. Doing the WORK, instead of thinking about it, instead of hearing it a billion times, the DOING of it, whatever the it is...
                    is the right mindset to be in.
                    The Mind section of the forum promotes the notion that mindset leads to action. If that were always (or even often) the case, this sub forum would be filled with success stories rather than "motivational" clichés. In real life, it's far more common for action to precede mindset.

                    Faced with a seemingly large and daunting project, it's all too easy to contemplate yourself into inertia, or put things off until the inspiration kicks in. But just doing something, no matter how small, can often provide the spark that gets you moving forward. Ideas and insights suddenly appear as if from nowhere, and before you know it, you've got momentum. And you've tricked your mind into thinking it was its idea all along.
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                    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                      Originally Posted by Frank Donovan View Post

                      The Mind section of the forum promotes the notion that mindset leads to action. If that were always (or even often) the case, this sub forum would be filled with success stories rather than "motivational" clichés. In real life, it's far more common for action to precede mindset.
                      I know that's true.

                      But often, I wonder Why these things are true....

                      Why do people talk about mindset, motivation, and talk in quotes? Because the actual work is a different skill.

                      Mindset is all "Feel good" material. It's motivational...it gives a feeling that you are doing something.

                      But it's the How that gets it done. And the way you learn the How is by actually doing the project.

                      And you know who is mostly interested in the How? The people who are actually going to do the work. The dreamers? They don't need to know How...because they are happy living in the world of "What if' and Won't it be great when?


                      I just wanted everyone to know that I'm smart too.
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                    Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                    I highlighted the part of your post about ZONING, which mostly caps traffic, or numbers of people, but NOT income. And to bring this full circle back to my original point, there is no CAP put on anyone here when it comes to income, or the SPEED of getting it.

                    I appreciate you calling attention to a more Macro view, the world has different modes of operation depending where you are, but for all intents and purposes, IM, Internet Marketing tears down barriers, eliminates borders (for the most part) and allows anyone with access to the Internet to engage in money making activity.

                    I like money goals for MOST IMers, although the risk takers, the Entrepreneurs fall into a different arena, as do inventors and product developers.


                    Feel free to refute, respond or ignore. Or add to the discussion.

                    GordonJ
                    curve ball question..what if there is a limit ..need ..so they turn to the internet and earn the money they feel they need to earn to have the lifestyle they want ..freed up from the need to save for retirement..or to earn well beyond that to invest ..because they really do not need to invest .because they will always need to make enough money to meet their needs ..
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                      Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                      curve ball question..what if there is a limit ..need ..so they turn to the internet and earn the money they feel they need to earn to have the lifestyle they want ..freed up from the need to save for retirement..or to earn well beyond that to invest ..because they really do not need to invest .because they will always need to make enough money to meet their needs ..
                      Like MEATLOAF, I never see the sudden curve until it's way too late...

                      But, if I am wrong, please correct me, OK? I think you are saying someone needs to make a certain amount of money on a regular and routine basis to maintain a given lifestyle, is this right?

                      So, say you want to move to Tagaytay City, a couple of hours from Manilla, and it will take you 1500 a month to have a place to live, set up a shop, and cover your monthly expenses.

                      And you need 900 GUARANTEED income on a monthly basis, OK? That covers your living expenses and anything above that you earn from your IM is "gravy".

                      So, one answer, would be to set up ONGOING or recurring income from providing an ongoing service, such as maintaining a web site, or a social media platform for someone, or having a retainer for your services.

                      At 900, you would need 3 people paying you 300 a month for such services or 6 at half that, and you would need a long term contract or agreement with them.

                      The other way might be to BANK $10,800.00 and draw out the 900 a month, if you can bank the 10 k in a single month, as some Warriors do, then you don't have to work for the rest of the year, and can focus on growing some micro greens for local restaurants.

                      Am I close to an answer to your question(??) ?

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                      • Profile picture of the author Odahh
                        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                        Like MEATLOAF, I never see the sudden curve until it's way too late...

                        But, if I am wrong, please correct me, OK? I think you are saying someone needs to make a certain amount of money on a regular and routine basis to maintain a given lifestyle, is this right?

                        So, say you want to move to Tagaytay City, a couple of hours from Manilla, and it will take you 1500 a month to have a place to live, set up a shop, and cover your monthly expenses.

                        And you need 900 GUARANTEED income on a monthly basis, OK? That covers your living expenses and anything above that you earn from your IM is "gravy".

                        So, one answer, would be to set up ONGOING or recurring income from providing an ongoing service, such as maintaining a web site, or a social media platform for someone, or having a retainer for your services.

                        At 900, you would need 3 people paying you 300 a month for such services or 6 at half that, and you would need a long term contract or agreement with them.

                        The other way might be to BANK $10,800.00 and draw out the 900 a month, if you can bank the 10 k in a single month, as some Warriors do, then you don't have to work for the rest of the year, and can focus on growing some micro greens for local restaurants.

                        Am I close to an answer to your question(??) ?

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                        no .. far from it . why did you default toa poverty level budget .. are those the only two options in your view .. poverty or the never ending piling up of wealth .. there is no in between
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                          Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

                          no .. far from it . why did you default toa poverty level budget .. are those the only two options in your view .. poverty or the never ending piling up of wealth .. there is no in between
                          Well, it must be me. Cause, I didn't (and don't) understand many of your posts, in the one I did respond to, I took a stab, a guess at what you were trying to say.

                          My apologies, I won't be making that mistake again.

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                            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                            Well, it must be me. Cause, I didn't (and don't) understand many of your posts, in the one I did respond to, I took a stab, a guess at what you were trying to say.

                            My apologies, I won't be making that mistake again.

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                            i would try that budget in mexico or central america .. but over sees i would want a much bigger emergency fund and at least 2,000 a month income ....i know there is a lot of info on how to live for less than that .. but woman screw up the budget real easy ..
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        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        Jeffery your way of thinking and doing business was probably outside the box before outside the box was a term people used
        I wouldn't say that because I only know what I learned from the the school of hard knocks, business college, the military and more importantly from my first mentor who was a true entrepreneur.

        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        ..and many of you old school entrepreneurs had some kind of hustle or way to make money when you where in your teens that wasn't working a job ..
        In my teens my first job was a shoe shine boy. Then one day I co-opted all of the shoe shine boys in the city and turned it into a real business. So, started with a job, learned how to do the baics of business (banking, accounting, payroll) - then had the idea to create a co-op and with my basic business experience - finally, more cities, more high-ticket customers which led to more growth, i.e. loss leaders and conversions.

        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        now as for self improvement .or personal productivity ..tech is outpacing human productivity in so many areas ..95 percent of self improvement is really better use of tech or acurieing better tech .. the same way entraprenurs use debt to brow their businesses or investment .. to make more money ..and and an huge percent of people get in debt and need
        a safe stable job to make money ..
        There are many roads to success. One example: Claude. On the road he walked from house to house selling vacuum cleaners. Along the road he became a master salesman serving home and corporate sales, a respected sought after mentor and speaker. Finally, his own business, secure future and a lovely wife.

        BTW, I don't speak "for" Claude. I like to think I speak "with" Claude. In my opinion, Claude would make an excellent Mentor. If he only knew how to make an excellent cheese cake he would own the world.

        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        entrepreneurs will naturally figure out how to use tech to mech money and build businesses .. and replace the ned for human employees who can stay off their f#$%^ cellphone ..when they should be working
        Some do and some do not. Example: A true entrepreneur knows the difference between technology and new technology in that technology is always changing which means - risk. A true entrepreneur does not like - risk. The true entrepreneur may do both to an extent. A true entrepreneur holds his cards close, i.e. profitable businesses that will always stand the test of time "without technology".

        Originally Posted by Odahh View Post

        i am going to change the tone a little ..because of the low start up cost and the main risk running an online business is the algorithm changing or your credit card processor screwing things up.. the majority of people starting businesses .. that don't require outside capital , signing leases or employing people .. should not really be considered entrepreneurs .. at all ..
        There is a lot of truth to that statement Odahh.
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          Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

          There are many roads to success. One example: Claude. On the road he walked from house to house selling vacuum cleaners. Along the road he became a master salesman serving home and corporate sales, a respected sought after mentor and speaker. Finally, his own business, secure future and a lovely wife.

          BTW, I don't speak "for" Claude. I like to think I speak "with" Claude. In my opinion, Claude would make an excellent Mentor. If he only knew how to make an excellent cheese cake he would own the world.
          Speaking of cheese cake. The owner of my wife's business is a very, very picky woman. She has terminated two bakers this past year because the cheese cakes were not consistently "pretty" though they were delicious.


          So pretty and delicious she charges $85.00 a cake and has a waiting list!


          Today, her new baker failed the "pretty" test on six cheese cakes. The owner sold the cakes for $5.00 a cake to employees.


          Ich haben


          That is how a "$10,000.00 a month mindset" thinks?
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

            Speaking of cheese cake. The owner of my wife's business is a very, very picky woman. She has terminated two bakers this past year because the cheese cakes were not consistently "pretty" though they were delicious.


            So pretty and delicious she charges $85.00 a cake and has a waiting list!


            Today, her new baker failed the "pretty" test on six cheese cakes. The owner sold the cakes for $5.00 a cake to employees.


            Ich haben


            That is how a "$10,000.00 a month mindset" thinks?
            And that's the difference between a business owner and an employee.


            A related example; I have a very competent vacuum cleaner repair person that has worked for me for a year or so. His grasp of how to repair vacuums is beyond mine (I do repairs out of necessity. I'm a salesman).

            And yet he doesn't do little touches that I do. After every repair, I fully inspect the machine, to make sure I didn't miss anything, and to make sure it's clean, and will impress the customer. My repair guy will do the repair and test it. But if I don't tell him to replace a specific part, he won't do it. There is no effort beyond what he has been told to do.

            It's always strange to me, the difference between how some employees think, and some employers (at least successful ones).

            By the way, when I see you are the last poster on a thread...I go to see what you've said.

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    entrepreneurs will naturally figure out how to use tech to mech money and build businesses .. and replace the ned for human employees who can stay off their f#$%^ cellphone ..when they should be working

    i am going to change the tone a little ..because of the low start up cost and the main risk running an online business is the algorithm changing or your credit card processor screwing things up.. the majority of people starting businesses .. that don't require outside capital , signing leases or employing people .. should not really be considered entrepreneurs .. at all ..
    I disagree with much, if not all, of that.

    Entrepreneurs do not have some magical way to 'naturally figure out' - they have the desire to learn and the willingness to do so. If your employees waste time on the clock - that's your fault as a manager. The micro managers who feel they must control their workers - whether employees in an office/shop or virtual workers online - have problems with productivity. Those managers who set expectations for results and consequences for lack of results, have it easier.

    The idea that offline businesses where people sign leases and employ others is not 'entrepreneurial' is just plain wrong. Do you think that word was coined AFTER the internet?

    Starting an offline business is riskier in many cases...signing a lease means committing funds long term and often required a hefty deposit as well. Getting credit will depend on your willingness to risk your possessions to back the new business - and then there's the money needed to stock your stores. As an entrepreneur, it can take more commitment to start an offline business than it does to start a low-cost startup online. "Entrepreneur' describes the mindset - not the business model.

    An Entrepreneur takes risks, creates wealth and makes it grow, a brick and morter business is helpful but isn't a kudo
    In my forum experience here, those who like to talk about the risks, anticipate the rewards, and analyze the 'mindset' of entrepreneurs....are usually not financially successful themselves. I'm not convinced you can 'create' an entrepreneur - you either have the vision, the drive, the ability....or you don't.

    That said - someone with determination, willingness to do what it takes and stick with it for the long haul....can be hugely successful without the 'mindset of an entrepreneur'.
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    I guess the question is: do you want a gig or a career? a 120 k a year gig is still a gig.
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    • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
      Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

      I guess the question is: do you want a gig or a career? a 120 k a year gig is still a gig.
      A similar question is, Do you want an employer, or do you want customers?
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        A similar question is, Do you want an employer, or do you want customers?
        Is it? I don't think a career and a business are mutually exclusive.

        I don't know the exact amount, but I know someone who certainly makes more then 10k a month trading cell phones on Ebay. He does well enough that he has a couple employees and an office.


        But where do you go from there? The work itself is menial and in terms of marketing, you'd have to spit in a prospect's face to not sell mint condition smartphones at 1/2 MSRP (IIRC).

        It doesn't diminish what he has accomplished in any way but how do you flip from trading cell phones to say, running a multinational corporation like SONY?



        If you have an answer, by all means, I'm all ears.For myself, I couldn't resolve that question (and neither can my buddy apparently, the growth seems to be linear).The closest thing I came up with was to acquire an extremely broad personal culture.

        At this point of time, as much as possible, I wouldn't want to start a business where I wouldn't be learning long term skills. Time will tell if I am correct.

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          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          Is it? I don't think a career and a business are mutually exclusive.

          I don't know the exact amount, but I know someone who certainly makes more then 10k a month trading cell phones on Ebay. He does well enough that he has a couple employees and an office.


          But where do you go from there? The work itself is menial and in terms of marketing, you'd have to spit in a prospect's face to not sell a mint condition iphone at 1/2 MSRP (IIRC).

          It doesn't diminish what he has accomplished in any way but how do you flip from trading cell phones to say, running a multinational corporation like SONY?



          If you have an answer, by all means, I'm all ears.For myself, I couldn't resolve that question (and neither can my buddy apparently, the growth seems to be linear).The closest thing I came up with was to acquire an extremely broad personal culture.

          At this point of time, I wouldn't start a business where I wouldn't be learning long term skills. Time will tell if I am correct.

          See. Told you the grass wasn't tall.
          Maybe I can elaborate on what I wrote in the Original Post:

          There have been many people get to a high level and then spend their money, without saving or reinvesting and when something happens, they are unprepared. A month of basic business how to, which includes accounting, budgeting, marketing and general business management would bode many well before they dive into IM.

          Like the infamous and bored Warrior, Daddy Wags, who got to 100k and then went to almost nothing and whined about the Goorle Algorithm changing, and he didn't reinvest in other more stable things. Shame.

          Almost everyone I know who makes big money, REINVESTS in other things, some as mundane as car washes and laundromats (I've advised them to get out of those for next year due to the coming water crisis).

          So, to your cell phone acquaintance, is he investing profits into other things, or is he diversifying at all?

          If one is in a GIG economy doing a lot of gigs, what is happening to the profits? I know the answer, MOST are spending them. BUYING THINGS.

          Isn't Warren Buffett a buffoon for driving USED cars? Whereas Johnny IM Genius wants to buy a LAMBO to take his many ladies out to yacht for picture day.

          Maybe it is UPBRINGING, I had to pay rent at 15 as did my older brother, something my younger sister and brother didn't have to do. We had to work while in high school.

          And if we wanted something, we saved for it. Here is a brief tale of Two Bros and their approach to moolah...my brother leased a '67 442 from the dealership he worked at, was one of the hottest cars in towns. He was always borrowing money from me.

          I invested in a 63 American Rambler, a box, no radio, paid cash. Always had money in my pocket. One irony for me was, he borrowed my car to go to the drive in with some ladies, he and his buddy Fred. He drove the 442, Fred drove the Rambler then they switched at the drive-in. I was busy working at the Pizza Shop.

          My point is, when people start getting ahead, when their profits increase, so does their lust for things. When a Warrior gets to the magic 120k a year, he should have a sizeable chunk of change to invest in other things, maybe even a hot dog cart. Or ice cream truck. Or pizza shop. Or some Intellectual Property.

          INVESTING while you make the money is a time honored tradition, but requires discipline and as we are discussing here in the MIND FORUM, it is lacking for many a Warrior wannabee.

          My fav success story is about the TRASH man. Invested in one truck, picked up trash and garbage, worked his azz off, then RE-invested in another truck, and was disciplined enough to keep his profits working. What ever happened to that guy? Anyone ever hear of that hard working trash man, Wayne Huizenga?

          Career, business, gigs...when the profits are there, they can create other assets, if one tames their lust for things.

          GordonJ

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          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          Is it? I don't think a career and a business are mutually exclusive.


          But where do you go from there? The work itself is menial and in terms of marketing, you'd have to spit in a prospect's face to not sell mint condition smartphones at 1/2 MSRP (IIRC).

          It doesn't diminish what he has accomplished in any way but how do you flip from trading cell phones to say, running a multinational corporation like SONY?



          See. Told you the grass wasn't tall.
          can i re word the question that i so miserably managed to ask Gordon a few posts back ..

          why must there be a path to flip to ..what happens if he just expands the range of items he trade beyond cellphones .. and does some form of it for the next 60 years or more .. no path back into the corporate world or even building a business he can sell ..
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        • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
          Originally Posted by socialentry View Post

          Is it? I don't think a career and a business are mutually exclusive.

          I don't know the exact amount, but I know someone who certainly makes more then 10k a month trading cell phones on Ebay. He does well enough that he has a couple employees and an office.


          But where do you go from there? The work itself is menial and in terms of marketing, you'd have to spit in a prospect's face to not sell mint condition smartphones at 1/2 MSRP (IIRC).

          It doesn't diminish what he has accomplished in any way but how do you flip from trading cell phones to say, running a multinational corporation like SONY?
          A little out of my area...but growth and the type of business tend to match the decision maker's ( usually the owner) ambition and comfort zone.

          Nobody has to grow.

          My personal experience was that I grew in income until I expanded my comfort zone to match my business. Eventually, I expanded out to just shy of a million a year, and realized that I now had a business that required skills I didn't have in abundance...and required employees, which I avoid like the plague.

          I soon discovered that I was very comfortable managing a half million a year business (not income), which is what I have now. Just my wife and me...and one part time employee. When the Virus is behind us, I'll change the focus of my business on speaking again, and drop the retail store......but...

          My ambition and interest in business is waning with age.
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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

            A little out of my area...but growth and the type of business tend to match the decision maker's ( usually the owner) ambition and comfort zone.

            Nobody has to grow.

            My personal experience was that I grew in income until I expanded my comfort zone to match my business. Eventually, I expanded out to just shy of a million a year, and realized that I now had a business that required skills I didn't have in abundance...and required employees, which I avoid like the plague.

            I soon discovered that I was very comfortable managing a half million a year business (not income), which is what I have now. Just my wife and me...and one part time employee. When the Virus is behind us, I'll change the focus of my business on speaking again, and drop the retail store......but...

            My ambition and interest in business is waning with age.
            I have to wonder about the older Warrior, we see them often, the 50+ year old who has never made a dime after spending years with IM. And those over 60? Slim chances buddy. but please prove me wrong for your own sake.

            As we have discussed, the 10k a month is just a handy sign along the IM road, there are Warriors that make 10k a week and have sold businesses for over 7 figures.

            And as usual, Claude hits the right note here. INTEREST has to be considered, and ambition. Although he has become the subject of much scorn, Napoleon Hill talked about the transmuting of sexual energy into business, and why so many men take into their 40's to reach financial success because they are less preoccupied with sex.

            I remember the 80 hour work weeks. And I also recall the number of games, shows and meetings I missed with my children. It is sometimes the Entrepreneur's trade off, but it doesn't have to be. There can be balance.

            Some want to build huge businesses, others want to build a portfolio of assets, I think these are few and far between here at the WF.

            They're here, but consider the million or so claimed members, those guys who have big businesses and have built up assets, are an extremely small %.

            There are no rules, as I stated in the OP.

            But there are proven pathways to getting somewhere in IM or any business, it has to begin with what the ending is. What we want.

            Like Claude, and Harvey Brody...I don't want employees, and avoid doing the things which require them.

            Harvey Brody taught me to eliminate as much "slop and mess" as I could from all money making endeavors. It comes down to lifestyle, what and how you live, what you want.

            The younger Warrior might want that Lambo, the McMansion, the Rolex and of course, the girls. Married Warriors with children might focus more on steady income and security. Older Warriors may just want to supplement.

            Really OLD guys, like me, we just want to drop our cow pies of accumulated experiences hoping they get squished between understanding toes by Warriors passing through our pastures.

            Between those 80+ hour weeks, and the 10 hour weeks, I prefer the latter. I want the TIME to do what I want, and the least amount of effort to get the moolah required to have what is needed.

            TIME. Here's a story from when I was a student at Golden West College taking classes in business and watching the girl's swim team (Olympic training center at the time).

            Joe Karbo showed me a HOTSHEET (his words) he paid 20 dollars a week to get. A single piece of paper with boats for sale in the greater LA Basin, these were new prices which the public wouldn't get for a day and a half. This gave Joe and his cronies time to think about investing in a boat they might want (either to flip or to keep). This letter only was sent to 200 subscribers. WOW, I asked why he didn't publish it, I mean after all that is 4k a week for a piece of paper, envelope and a stamp. I wanted to do it. He said it wasn't or wouldn't be worth his time because it would cost him that much in time he could devote to his business. (By the way, and you'd have to ask his kids, I believe Joe was one of those guys who attended as many of his kids {seemed like a lot of them} things as he could. For a guy who made tons of money, he had TIME to spend with his family).


            My point is, AMBITION is often governed by INTEREST and what we want, and that often is reflected in our age too. The thought of being on a boat with a dozen bikini clad Kardashians tires me out. I'd rather take a nap.

            KNOWING yourself, what you want and W H Y you want, is a good first step to take toward any ambitious activity.

            I think, maybe it is time to redirect this discussion toward the HOW, as opposed to the mindset...would that be a good direction to go? HOW to make your 10k a mo (week, or day even).

            HOW is it done? (Don't be surprised to hear the words WORK in the discussion).

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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


              There are no rules, as I stated in the OP.

              I think, maybe it is time to redirect this discussion toward the HOW, as opposed to the mindset...would that be a good direction to go? HOW to make your 10k a mo (week, or day even).

              HOW is it done? (Don't be surprised to hear the words WORK in the discussion).

              GordonJ
              I sold 104 reports in one day. The report was THE HEADLIGHT CLEANING MANUAL. It sold for 97 dollars and brought in $10,088.00 that day. It went on to earn over 30k in less than a month. It was one of my better days. A few weeks before, I knew nothing about cleaning headlights.

              Now, it would be great to be able to do this day after day, but I'm no Frank Kern.

              I posted this to show the possibility that exists for YOU today. Offer something that people want to buy, and parlay your profits into the next thing.

              Next time, my $1,000.00 days, more of them and easier to do than the 10k days, albeit, less fun.

              GordonJ
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


                Now, it would be great to be able to do this day after day, but I'm no Frank Kern.

                Next time, my $1,000.00 days, more of them and easier to do than the 10k days, albeit, less fun.

                GordonJ
                Don't know where the idea came from, but once upon a time I had the belief if I were to make one thousand dollars a day, I'd be doing OK. It had been by goal for a long time. I think today, if a Warrior were to make 1k a day, 5 days a week for 40 weeks a year...they would be considered a success in IM, by some.

                When selling products and/or services, it is hard to get a consistent number of sales per day, which is why we have to average them out over time. Like with THE HEADLIGHT CLEANING MANUAL, although a third of the 30k came in one day, the other two thirds took the other 29 days to get an average of 1k per day.

                And that is how it usually works, some great days, some poor ones and a lot of average and ordinary ones in between.

                My most consistent 1k days came from, oddly enough, my resume business. I was charging 495 dollars for a resume with a guaranteed job offer in 90 days or a full refund.

                And I was booked solid, 2 a day, for weeks on end. Those two plus some other services were the most consistent of the 1k days. I don't know of anyone else who offered such a guarantee, and because I limited the service (exclusivity), it was in demand.

                We had several 1k days with our OFF KEY SINGING TELEGRAM service, especially after appearing on a Cleveland TV show on St. Patrick's Day (The Morning Exchange)...and we were booked solid for weeks after that.

                During the holidays, from Black Friday through Christmas it was common to have those 1k days selling gifts, from a small kiosk (a table) with golf gifts for several seasons, but that had to do with the location, at Chapel Hill Mall where there was a LOT of traffic.

                I once did 1k in a couple of hours there selling Chinese Yo-Yo's, until the complaints came in the kids were hitting people with them (careful Ralphie, you'll put your eye out).

                Many years ago some early Warriors did one of the first million dollar launches, and that virtually launched the launch business...the secret there is to have a group of people with lists selling your high ticket item (each offered their own bonuses).

                But a smaller scale version of the 2k a product launch, would be a 100 dollar product, with 20 sales, very doable, and split it with your affiliate or JV partner. This has worked for us, over and over and over again.

                Maybe you have some examples of your 1k days, if so, feel free to share with the group.

                GordonJ
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                • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


                  Maybe you have some examples of your 1k days, if so, feel free to share with the group.

                  GordonJ
                  In 1976 or1977, I bought a Kirby vacuum cleaner, liked that it was shiny, and decided to sell them. After a year of selling them for a local dealer, I decided to buy vacuum cleaners from the factory and sell them for myself. A different vacuum cleaner, same retail price, 4 times the money per sale.

                  My first day I sold 3. My second day I sold 2. And sold at least one a day for a few months. I was averaging close to $1,000 a day (the days I actually worked) This was near the end of the 1970s...and at that time, it was real money.

                  After a few years, I got lazy, and only worked enough to make $1,000 a week (still a good living at that time). Every week started on a Saturday, and I'd work until I earned more than $1,000...and then I'd ease off until the next Saturday.

                  Some weeks I just worked on Saturday, and some weeks, I'd work Monday too. Usually I had a few days left to waste. I was young and stupid.

                  My life really changed when I opened my retail store and studied marketing and advertising. My comfort zone was up to about $2,000 a week by then (maybe 1988 or so)..but a funny thing happened...

                  Because of my marketing and advertising, My comfort zone in income was forcibly raised. We were doing about $50,000 a month out of my store, and more than half was profit. So let's call it $1,000 a day in income. Marketing can do that. It can force more money on you than you expected.

                  Now, over the past several years, we are coasting to retirement. Our business goes down a little every year, partly because of internet competition, and partly because I no longer have the interest in growing my retail business.

                  And in the past ten years I spent maybe 5 years seriously selling my courses from the stage...and selling my local online marketing service at trade shows. Something I enjoyed doing, until travel became less fun.

                  And now, I only have a few embers left of ambition. I'm almost completely done putting together a monster sized sales training course...my life's work, really.

                  I just need to record it...it may be 12 hours of video...It may take a month..

                  And I already have a small network of joint venture partners that are waiting on me to finish it up. Mostly, I keep tweeking the webinar pitch to sell it.

                  Anyway, it's my last marketing and selling effort. And then just spending time with my wife...getting old.

                  When I was a kid, I sold several things by mail; live chameleons, comic books, books on various subjects. I always made money. No idea why.
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                  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                    Those old Kirbys were beasts. Used a broken one as weights to workout. HA! You probably grew stronger lugging those things around.

                    Your story reminded of old Warrior Don Alm, how he would sell cookware in office bldgs and when he sold out, ran over to the wholesaler and got more. He had a lot of programs that could produce very quick income, one of those, restaurant menu boards made me a lot of moolah back in that day.

                    And as to why you SOLD things, don't know all the reasons, but the fact you DID it, and ran the ads, took the action , probably... played a big part in it.

                    Sort of the point. The DOING.

                    We get an influx every year here of people who did IM a few years back, quit, didn't make anything and NOW want to get back in the game. And some continue to look for the magic. I can tell very quickly, after two or three posts WHO is going to actually do it and keep at it and who is going to disappear and fade away.

                    Some people moan about the good ol Warrior Forum, some come here only when they are bored, others think it is a waste of their time but I'll tell you what.

                    There is as much good, useful and practical information here TODAY, and although the numbers may be smaller and some of the names not known, there is as much practical and useful knowledge as there ever was.

                    Just in the Off Line forum alone, there is enough good information on SELLING or Marketing from people running successful businesses that a newbie could spend a couple of days learning and be able to launch a business (with profits) before the month is out.

                    When I was younger, I never believed it when my dad told me (speaking of his brother) that some people are lost causes. I liked my Uncle. I never understood what dad was saying, until many years later when ol unc passed and none of my cousins showed up at the funeral. I learned things which I never knew.

                    Here at this free and public place one can throw their paint against the wall and let whomever sees the art in it, enjoy it or reap the benefits of the multicolored mural that is the WF. Whereas, some of the ones which need the most help, are simply lost causes,

                    It may be a disservice to encourage them. Certainly not worth wasting any time with.

                    Anyhow, THANKS for sharing your stories, I find them very inspirational.

                    I think you are going to do great with your course and when you are able to get back on the stage, I look forward to being in the audience (mystery man in black, in the back of the room, wearing sunglasses).

                    GordonJ







                    Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

                    In 1976 or1977, I bought a Kirby vacuum cleaner, liked that it was shiny, and decided to sell them. After a year of selling them for a local dealer, I decided to buy vacuum cleaners from the factory and sell them for myself. A different vacuum cleaner, same retail price, 4 times the money per sale.

                    My first day I sold 3. My second day I sold 2. And sold at least one a day for a few months. I was averaging close to $1,000 a day (the days I actually worked) This was near the end of the 1970s...and at that time, it was real money.

                    After a few years, I got lazy, and only worked enough to make $1,000 a week (still a good living at that time). Every week started on a Saturday, and I'd work until I earned more than $1,000...and then I'd ease off until the next Saturday.

                    Some weeks I just worked on Saturday, and some weeks, I'd work Monday too. Usually I had a few days left to waste. I was young and stupid.

                    My life really changed when I opened my retail store and studied marketing and advertising. My comfort zone was up to about $2,000 a week by then (maybe 1988 or so)..but a funny thing happened...

                    Because of my marketing and advertising, My comfort zone in income was forcibly raised. We were doing about $50,000 a month out of my store, and more than half was profit. So let's call it $1,000 a day in income. Marketing can do that. It can force more money on you than you expected.

                    Now, over the past several years, we are coasting to retirement. Our business goes down a little every year, partly because of internet competition, and partly because I no longer have the interest in growing my retail business.

                    And in the past ten years I spent maybe 5 years seriously selling my courses from the stage...and selling my local online marketing service at trade shows. Something I enjoyed doing, until travel became less fun.

                    And now, I only have a few embers left of ambition. I'm almost completely done putting together a monster sized sales training course...my life's work, really.

                    I just need to record it...it may be 12 hours of video...It may take a month..

                    And I already have a small network of joint venture partners that are waiting on me to finish it up. Mostly, I keep tweeking the webinar pitch to sell it.

                    Anyway, it's my last marketing and selling effort. And then just spending time with my wife...getting old.

                    When I was a kid, I sold several things by mail; live chameleons, comic books, books on various subjects. I always made money. No idea why.
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            • Profile picture of the author JasonEPerry
              "My point is, AMBITION is often governed by INTEREST and what we want, and that often is reflected in our age too. The thought of being on a boat with a dozen bikini clad Kardashians tires me out. I'd rather take a nap."

              I agree with everything stated above in the entire post, especially the part about the nap. LOL Other than the nap I just want to spend quality time with my wife and daughter.We have no desire for the Lambo or McMansion


              "KNOWING yourself, what you want and W H Y you want, is a good first step to take toward any ambitious activity."

              I think, maybe it is time to redirect this discussion toward the HOW, as opposed to the mindset...would that be a good direction to go? HOW to make your 10k a mo (week, or day even).

              HOW is it done? (Don't be surprised to hear the words WORK in the discussion).


              GordonJ[/QUOTE]

              The redirect would be appreciated, as your post mentions, I am not set on the 10K per month as a goal. Obviously one needs to aim for 1K first then learn to duplicate and replicate what is working as well as diversify.

              Yes, I will be one of those that it took many years to finally become an overnight success.
              Yes like in another of your posts I have also sold soap and lotions and potions.
              Got the NFL rings even though I've never played ball.

              I have watched many people become very successful both offline and online. I have never been afraid of the four letter word "WORK" as I used to be accustom to many 14 and 16 hour days, be that welding, paving or soldiering.Due to issues after a deployment those are no longer options. Now I find myself at a crossroads and I choose to learn to acquire online assets that are simple and evergreen and continue to generate more income producing assets. Tired of the fluff and stuff.

              It's my desire to learn the trade and be able to teach my wife and 13 year old daughter how to be successful online.So that they will be more independent and never have to have the employee mindset.

              Feel free to point those of us that are behind to any old articles that are relevant.
              Enjoy, and Thanks
              Jason
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by JasonEPerry View Post

                "My point is, AMBITION is often governed by INTEREST and what we want, and that often is reflected in our age too. The thought of being on a boat with a dozen bikini clad Kardashians tires me out. I'd rather take a nap."

                I agree with everything stated above in the entire post, especially the part about the nap. LOL Other than the nap I just want to spend quality time with my wife and daughter.We have no desire for the Lambo or McMansion


                "KNOWING yourself, what you want and W H Y you want, is a good first step to take toward any ambitious activity."

                I think, maybe it is time to redirect this discussion toward the HOW, as opposed to the mindset...would that be a good direction to go? HOW to make your 10k a mo (week, or day even).

                HOW is it done? (Don't be surprised to hear the words WORK in the discussion).


                GordonJ
                The redirect would be appreciated, as your post mentions, I am not set on the 10K per month as a goal. Obviously one needs to aim for 1K first then learn to duplicate and replicate what is working as well as diversify.

                Yes, I will be one of those that it took many years to finally become an overnight success.
                Yes like in another of your posts I have also sold soap and lotions and potions.
                Got the NFL rings even though I've never played ball.

                I have watched many people become very successful both offline and online. I have never been afraid of the four letter word "WORK" as I used to be accustom to many 14 and 16 hour days, be that welding, paving or soldiering.Due to issues after a deployment those are no longer options. Now I find myself at a crossroads and I choose to learn to acquire online assets that are simple and evergreen and continue to generate more income producing assets. Tired of the fluff and stuff.

                It's my desire to learn the trade and be able to teach my wife and 13 year old daughter how to be successful online.So that they will be more independent and never have to have the employee mindset.


                Feel free to point those of us that are behind to any old articles that are relevant.
                Enjoy, and Thanks
                Jason[/QUOTE]

                First, thank you for your service. Always. But especially today, VETERANS DAY.


                https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

                The link above takes you to one of the best threads on this forum. GREAT stuff. Then, make a day and find every post Paul has made (savidge4), it comes from a guy who has done it, is doing it, and amazingly shares his experience with us.

                You might search for the post about need, and feeding his son's pet rabbit. His young son, now 10 or 11, is making a lot of money for a kid, in his spare time.

                As for getting up and running, my favorite way is via INFORMATION products. Quick and easy to create, easy to sell, and you can build a family of products around them, a lot of great info here about that too.

                GordonJ
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                • Profile picture of the author toysoldier80
                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  The redirect would be appreciated, as your post mentions, I am not set on the 10K per month as a goal. Obviously one needs to aim for 1K first then learn to duplicate and replicate what is working as well as diversify.

                  Yes, I will be one of those that it took many years to finally become an overnight success.
                  Yes like in another of your posts I have also sold soap and lotions and potions.
                  Got the NFL rings even though I've never played ball.

                  I have watched many people become very successful both offline and online. I have never been afraid of the four letter word "WORK" as I used to be accustom to many 14 and 16 hour days, be that welding, paving or soldiering.Due to issues after a deployment those are no longer options. Now I find myself at a crossroads and I choose to learn to acquire online assets that are simple and evergreen and continue to generate more income producing assets. Tired of the fluff and stuff.

                  It's my desire to learn the trade and be able to teach my wife and 13 year old daughter how to be successful online.So that they will be more independent and never have to have the employee mindset.


                  Feel free to point those of us that are behind to any old articles that are relevant.
                  Enjoy, and Thanks
                  Jason
                  First, thank you for your service. Always. But especially today, VETERANS DAY.


                  https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

                  The link above takes you to one of the best threads on this forum. GREAT stuff. Then, make a day and find every post Paul has made (savidge4), it comes from a guy who has done it, is doing it, and amazingly shares his experience with us.

                  You might search for the post about need, and feeding his son's pet rabbit. His young son, now 10 or 11, is making a lot of money for a kid, in his spare time.

                  As for getting up and running, my favorite way is via INFORMATION products. Quick and easy to create, easy to sell, and you can build a family of products around them, a lot of great info here about that too.

                  GordonJ[/QUOTE]

                  That is a great post but I do not neccesarily think its the "BEST". Any post within warrior forum should be considered the best as long as it improves the readers marketability, helps them to make money, creates a positive mindset, gives them information that works etc.

                  Making 10k a month is definitely a possibility but don't you think there are a lot of sleazy marketers and programs out their that trick people into making money online. They provide maybe a quick way to earn some money however they dont show them how to make an evergreen business to earn money for years to come.


                  "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

                  For some reason most of the people who are successful with internet marketing are afraid to teach men and women how to fish.

                  If these marketing programs online do as advertised than so many people would be doing them because who want to work at a 9-5 job they hate. Obviously you can't say "well people do not work hard enough" I am sure their are a lot of people that have worked hard, invested in these programs and still did not find success, especially for the long term.

                  It is quite sad that people are all about money and not about loving fellow humans who may have been able to pay it forward for others to be successful, have loving families, do a online job they love, but instead end up with a more negative mindset since the main concept of the ad or programs they started with was to make money.

                  Its a great thing that many people and businesses online that promote a dream lifestyle are not like this. I think most of them are more about the money than seeing others successful however.

                  The best people to learn from are the ones that truly have your best interest at heart and WANT to see you even more successful than they are. Its rare, but these people and businesses do exist.
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                  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                    Not sure what the Toy Soldier was trying to say, but I salute him for participation.

                    There are PLENTY of pass it forward, sideways and even around the bend Warriors who give away their time and hard earned opinions, based on experience, who do so without regard for any sort of compensation.

                    I, personally, find it hard to believe that those in the Forex game, are not about the making money, and really, down deep, only want to help other people out. Wish I had a Jim Carrey meme, Alllrighttty then.

                    One of the things I ask of many Warriors who contact me, is WHY? And it is often greeted with annoyance.

                    Why did you start a blog? Why did you get into affiliate marketing? Why did you spend money to become a copywriter? And so on.

                    Guess what? Not only are they annoyed with my question, they rarely have an answer beyond; "to make money".

                    Ah, yes indeed. The Raison d'etre (most impotant reason) for being here at the Warrior Forum.

                    To learn how to make money. No need to answer WHY on that one, except to self, so one understands the motivation for it all.

                    But it amazes me, how many people don't know WHY they chose the particular way of making money, other than, it sounded good.

                    Or they read some dazzling copy (thank you very much) which made the whole concept of making money easy peasy lemon squeezy...and then, what? YEARS later, or maybe a few months go by without making a dime.

                    And they forgot WHY they started doing it in the first place?

                    What the money will be used for, and the reason WHY can go a long way to help a warrior determine which of the many online money making opportunities to pursue.

                    In this thread, I used a monetary goal, one that is common here as looked upon as a sign of IM success.

                    Now even those good hearted Coaches, who have our best interest in heart and mind, are difficult to take advice from, when they live on desolation row.

                    Sure, it is great that some people just want to help, to share to cheer one on, but isn't it wise to have a money maker offer their advice, as opposed to those who want to be?

                    GordonJ




                    Originally Posted by toysoldier80 View Post

                    First, thank you for your service. Always. But especially today, VETERANS DAY.


                    https://www.warriorforum.com/warrior...days-ebay.html

                    The link above takes you to one of the best threads on this forum. GREAT stuff. Then, make a day and find every post Paul has made (savidge4), it comes from a guy who has done it, is doing it, and amazingly shares his experience with us.

                    You might search for the post about need, and feeding his son's pet rabbit. His young son, now 10 or 11, is making a lot of money for a kid, in his spare time.

                    As for getting up and running, my favorite way is via INFORMATION products. Quick and easy to create, easy to sell, and you can build a family of products around them, a lot of great info here about that too.

                    GordonJ
                    That is a great post but I do not neccesarily think its the "BEST". Any post within warrior forum should be considered the best as long as it improves the readers marketability, helps them to make money, creates a positive mindset, gives them information that works etc.

                    Making 10k a month is definitely a possibility but don't you think there are a lot of sleazy marketers and programs out their that trick people into making money online. They provide maybe a quick way to earn some money however they dont show them how to make an evergreen business to earn money for years to come.


                    "Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day; Teach a man to fish and you feed him for a lifetime"

                    For some reason most of the people who are successful with internet marketing are afraid to teach men and women how to fish.

                    If these marketing programs online do as advertised than so many people would be doing them because who want to work at a 9-5 job they hate. Obviously you can't say "well people do not work hard enough" I am sure their are a lot of people that have worked hard, invested in these programs and still did not find success, especially for the long term.

                    It is quite sad that people are all about money and not about loving fellow humans who may have been able to pay it forward for others to be successful, have loving families, do a online job they love, but instead end up with a more negative mindset since the main concept of the ad or programs they started with was to make money.

                    Its a great thing that many people and businesses online that promote a dream lifestyle are not like this. I think most of them are more about the money than seeing others successful however.

                    The best people to learn from are the ones that truly have your best interest at heart and WANT to see you even more successful than they are. Its rare, but these people and businesses do exist.[/QUOTE]
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        Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

        A similar question is, Do you want an employer, or do you want customers?
        ^^^Good question.

        Here are two more.

        What was the last thing you sold (product/service/other)???

        What is the NEXT THING you will be selling?

        And this is the crux of posting here in the mind forum. A lot of motivation, and inspiration and getting ready...and SOME DAY. Can you handle the truth?

        If you can't answer these two questions, you are just fooling yourself.

        Today is Sunday in USA, a new month, an election week ahead, Halloween behind us, Thanksgiving, Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas and other Holidays and a New Year ahead of us.

        Are you just pretending? Because if you haven't sold anything recently, and if you don't have something for sale in the very near future...what is your deal?

        I think we'd find the answer to those questions to be the difference between those who are DOING and working on their business and those who are THINKING about doing something, sometime down the road.

        Which one are you?

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        • Profile picture of the author Jonathan 2.0
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          Personally I think the Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets of an Entrepreneur are equally as important as the actions.

          In fact many of the actions are preceded by the beliefs. For example, if a Person has the Belief that the more value they provide the more successful they will be ― they are more likely to create exceptional products that People love.

          One of the most important Mindsets I learned from Eben Pagan is: "I'm going to do whatever it takes to be successful." I believe he learned this Mindset from "Think And Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill. And if it means facing, overcoming, and learning from "failure" then so be it. If more People had this Mindset ― and actually practiced it ― then more People would be successful.

          As Michael Jorden said: "Some People want it to happen. Some wish it would happen ... Others make it happen."

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          • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Personally I think the Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets of an Entrepreneur are equally as important as the actions.

            In fact many of the actions are preceded by the beliefs. For example, if a Person has the Belief that the more value they provide the more successful they will be ― they are more likely to create exceptional products that People love.

            One of the most important Mindsets I learned from Eben Pagan is: "I'm going to do whatever it takes to be successful." I believe he learned this Mindset from "Think And Grow Rich" by Napoleon Hill. And if it means facing, overcoming, and learning from "failure" then so be it. If more People had this Mindset ― and actually practiced it ― then more People would be successful.

            As Michael Jorden said: "Some People want it to happen. Some wish it would happen ... Others make it happen."

            2C
            They (beliefs, mindset, attitudes) are important, no one says otherwise, but they are only SEEN through the actions taken of the Entrepreneur, otherwise, they're just some guy sitting around dreaming.

            Eben Pagan is successful by what he has done, what the thought about before that, only he really knows. Napoleon Hill, whatever else one might think about him, DID write the books (whether he made it up or not is inconclusive)...but he ACTED on his thoughts.

            NO one, in this thread at least, said anything about those mental things being unimportant, but they only count to the world by what is demonstrated. This may very well be a subforum about some of those things, but it is purpose as STATED very clearly is:

            Mind Warriors is a forum dedicated to self improvement and empowering minds to make more money online. You will find inspiring posts that motivate you to take action and achieve more.



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              Hi Gordon and Claude: I completely agree.

              I never said that a Person doesn't have to take action on their Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets ... In fact I basically said a Person has to take action no matter what happens (including when faced with "failure"). However many times developing and being aware of said Beliefs (etc.) before (or while) taking action can be beneficial (IMO)

              Thanks for the discussion.
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              • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
                Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

                Hi Gordon and Claude: I completely agree.

                I never said that a Person doesn't have to take action on their Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets ... In fact I basically said a Person has to take action no matter what happens (including when faced with "failure"). However many times developing and being aware of said Beliefs (etc.) before (or while) taking action can be beneficial (IMO)

                Thanks for the discussion.
                : )
                How does the development and awareness of mindset become beneficial? Which could be true, however, it is the WHEN does the action begin?

                In my TWO questions:

                What have you recently sold?

                What is the NEXT thing you'll be selling?

                They address the mindset, which is reflected by either action or inaction. With IM and getting income from the Internet and the marketing of something, there is no reason NOT to believe it can be done, is there?

                IM is being done by millions every day. Attitude? Not sure what that means, other than the thought that ... Yes, IM is being done by millions of people, but can I do it? (The self doubt thing).

                At some point the farmer has to drop the seed into the prepared soil, and then nurture its growth. He can't get all ready to plant, and can't keep preparing the soil until some perfect time somewhere in the future.

                There are rules governing gardening, such as tomatoes, depending on the variety planted, that determines how long it takes. But there are NO rules in IM, other than, you have to be offering SOMETHING to a market.

                The proper mindset can be as simple as WHAT IS THIS (OR THAT) MARKET BUYING now?

                Maybe the consideration would go to choosing the SOMETHING to offer, the thing that would be most in tune with any given attitude or belief, and SURE, that may take a little time to get too.

                But if it takes two years, five years or ten years, the clock begins when the first action is taken. Any delay could, or may push the harvest back.

                The TIME it takes, depends on the goals. And this discussion has shown they could be of several natures, I chose a dollar amount. Others choose ASSETS, others; lifestyle.

                We see people get to the dollar amount, the 10 thousand a month figure used in the OP, as sort of a marker for their success, and at the WF, I believe MOST Warriors would be delighted to reach that. But whether it takes 10 months or five years has more to do with the KINDS of actions they take, and a lot of that is done via trial and error.

                But they have to do zig zag WWII torpedo like action to reach their target, whereas, with a little upfront planning and action they can use modern technology to expedite hitting their target, whatever it is.

                But the boat who never fires a torpedo, never hits anything.

                My TWO questions, are really a self litmus test, anyone can use to see where they are at in the Internet Marketing world. And the answers reveal the asker to themselves, sans excuses.

                As for belief, here's ONE of mine: I think anyone, a total NEWBIE to IM can launch a business in 90 days and be profitable within a few months, and scale it up from there.

                How long do you BELIEVE it takes for someone to get started and to be profitable?

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                  Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

                  How long do you BELIEVE it takes for someone to get started and to be profitable?

                  GordonJ
                  Great question. : ) And to be honest -- I really don't know. However I think the 90-day projection sounds reasonable.
                  That said, I think it depends on the Person's goal(s) and objectives. It would be different for a Person who aims for "Financial Freedom" (let's say $10,000/month ... ) Than a Person who is in the "Game" to make several $Millions.

                  P.S.
                  Mind Warriors is a forum dedicated to self improvement and empowering minds
                  Just had to add that. : P
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          • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
            Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

            Personally I think the Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets of an Entrepreneur are equally as important as the actions.

            In fact many of the actions are preceded by the beliefs. For example, if a Person has the Belief that the more value they provide the more successful they will be ― they are more likely to create exceptional products that People love.
            And where does that belief come from?
            Actually providing value. Actually doing the work, and then seeing the results...the fruits of your labor. That's what gives you beliefs power. It's what gives them deep roots.


            "The Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets of an Entrepreneur are equally as important as the actions." Maybe.

            But actions will give you the same results...no matter what you believe. And these beliefs without the action will give you nothing but a nice warm feeling in your stomach.

            All the stories you read about people creating wealth, and accomplishing great things?

            They did the work first. They had the accomplishments first......that's how they learned about the mindset in the first place.

            It's repeated successful results that give you your attitude. Having that attitude before you actually do something is fun to talk about...but it lacks power. It lacks certainty.

            You cannot be certain you can do anything...until you do it. That's why actions are more important than attitude.


            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            They (beliefs, mindset, attitudes) are important, no one says otherwise, but they are only SEEN through the actions taken of the Entrepreneur, otherwise, they're just some guy sitting around dreaming.
            Damn. I posted before I read your post. I swear.
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    Interesting post: Thanks Gordan. I once read that the steps it takes a Person to reach the $100,000/month level are the same whether it takes them 2 years or 5 years.
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      Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

      Interesting post: Thanks Gordan. I once read that the steps it takes a Person to reach the $100,000/month level are the same whether it takes them 2 years or 5 years.
      To go from X to Y, say a 10x increase in income, it happens in certain ways.

      MORE customers or sales.

      MORE money per sale.

      MORE products for sale.

      Some people can it do it very quickly, one of my former bosses, Ben Suarez, went from very little per month in sales, to a $100,000.00 a WEEK in a matter of months. He then did the 10x thing, routinely for a period of time.

      Scaling up has guideposts, one thing, as Claude noted, at a certain level, one may have to take on help, or add employees if a 1099er can't be used.

      In IM, we tend to think of more customers, and UPSELLS, more money per sale and a constant stream of new products. Certainly ONE way to do it.

      There are other models, my fav being the Harvey Brody model, ONE product, a few customers (about 150), repeat orders on autopilot. It is how he's sold over a million units of just one of his products, THE ZOOM SPOUT OILER and has a 60 year history of sales, continuous and almost without interruption.

      And he has some part time help from his wife and daughter. Makes millions.

      At the other end is Suarez, thousands of products over the years, HUNDREDS of employees, huge business.

      In between these "extremes" are many other models one can choose to follow.

      But NO one has more time than anyone else, same 24 hours in a day for each of us.

      Same thing to go from 1,000 a month to our 10,000 per month.

      Increase the number of sales.
      Increase the dollars per sale.
      Increase the number of products sold.

      Most people lack the discipline to grow, once they get a big chunk of moolah in their hands, they spend it, because "I deserve it, I worked hard for it." And that is the mindset all to often found here at the WF.

      LEVERAGING time isn't a secret. Use other people while providing them value.

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      • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        To go from X to Y, say a 10x increase in income, it happens in certain ways.

        MORE customers or sales.

        MORE money per sale.

        MORE products for sale.

        Some people can it do it very quickly, one of my former bosses, Ben Suarez, went from very little per month in sales, to a $100,000.00 a WEEK in a matter of months. He then did the 10x thing, routinely for a period of time
        .
        Here is a case study: From: THE LAZY WEB WEALTH CONTENT SYSTEM.

        Written by T.J. Rohleder...

        Eileen and I started back in 1988 with $300.00. It was the last of the money we had. We were broke. We were sending away for all kinds of money making programs and desperately, frantically searching for a way to make money. Well, we got into the mail order business. We spent $300.00 on a sma.ll ad back in September of 1988. That small ad, within no time, was bringing us about $15,000 to $16,000 a month.

        He goes on to write:

        Then, we met marketing expert, Russ von Hoelscher, and Russ went to work for us. Russ was responsible for helping us turn our fifteen to sixteen thousand dollar a month business into almost$100,000.00 in sales within the first nine months.


        He did it by putting together 27 different products. Or #3...sell more products.

        His story isn't unique in the world of remote direct marketing or IM either, Many of the early on Warriors did similar business in months back in the day.

        More later, if interested.

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      • Profile picture of the author Claude Whitacre
        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

        To go from X to Y, say a 10x increase in income, it happens in certain ways.

        MORE customers or sales.

        MORE money per sale.

        MORE products for sale.

        Some people can it do it very quickly, one of my former bosses, Ben Suarez, went from very little per month in sales, to a $100,000.00 a WEEK in a matter of months. He then did the 10x thing, routinely for a period of time.

        Yup, More customers, bigger sales, and/or more offers (to the same customers)...and continuity. THE ways to expand a business.

        All of those things can be done at the same time, with just one marketer...or maybe a helper or two.

        Anyway, to the important part...

        You know Ben Suarez? I've read two of his books (one cost a fortune on E-bay), and I'm a close friend of Julius Toth, the guy that brought the Edenpure heater and air purifiers to Suarez (and wrote many of the full page ads for the heaters.)

        And how many people know the story of Russ von Hoelscher and T.J. Rohleder?

        You must be as old as I am.

        By the way, a forced continuity story.

        When I started speaking and selling my courses (advertising, video selling, sales), I always included an automatic subscription to my newsletter at $39.95 a month. My first pitch from stage got me 50 subscriptions, and I was off and running.

        The subscriptions never got above 250, and rarely dropped below 200. My average subscription lasted 17 months (which I hear is pretty good). After four years, I just decided one day to stop.

        And I sold subscriptions at the back of my books for a few years.

        Remember the old ads where you could get 6 records (remember records?) ...or 6 books for a penny? Yup. continuity selling. (I know you know all this)


        And if you tell me that you knew Gary Halbert....my head will explode.
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        • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
          Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

          Yup, More customers, bigger sales, and/or more offers (to the same customers)...and continuity. THE ways to expand a business.

          All of those things can be done at the same time, with just one marketer...or maybe a helper or two.

          Anyway, to the important part...

          You know Ben Suarez? I've read two of his books (one cost a fortune on E-bay), and I'm a close friend of Julius Toth, the guy that brought the Edenpure heater to Suarez (and wrote many of the full page ads for the heaters.

          And how many people know the story of Russ von Hoelscher and T.J. Rohleder?

          You must be as old as I am.

          By the way, a forced continuity story.

          When I started speaking and selling my courses (advertising, video selling, sales), I always included an automatic subscription to my newsletter at $39.95 a month. My first pitch from stage got me 50 subscriptions, and I was off and running.

          The subscriptions never got above 250, and rarely dropped below 200. My average subscription lasted 17 months (which I hear is pretty good). After four years, I just decided one day to stop.

          And I sold subscriptions at the back of my books for a few years.

          Remember the old ads where you could get 6 records (remember records?) ...or 6 books for a penny? Yup. continuity selling. (I know you know all this)


          And if you tell me that you knew Gary Halbert....my head will explode.
          Gary called me and in typical Gary style, called me an idiot...for turning Ben down when he first recruited me. Prior to that, he called me Rev. Jay, thought I was a pious and boring stick in the mud. Some context here, just so happens AKRON was a hotbed of activity back in the 60's of future Remote Direct Marketers. Some of that had to do with Quaker Oats, one of the first big players in the RDM game. The other had to do with KRISTEE PRODUCTS, where I first met Gary, when I was a teen.

          My dad was a popular barber in the area, and he had several Entrepreneurs as customers, this was how I came to be a "salt" for KRISTEE. And when they did some weekend workshops, many wannabee Mail Order guys showed up.

          So, I go back to 1960, when I was 10, and started selling flowers door to door in Tallmadge. And I've been a student of sales, marketing, persuasion and influence since then.

          The big point I want to make is...

          I met many people, BEFORE, they were known, or had names or just in the course of doing my own thing. I've never had any sort of awe of business people, and in sports, only Rocky Colavito, Jim Brown and Jack Nickolaus could have made me buy anything fan stuff. Business people just made money, BIG DEAL (or so I thought in my youth),

          And for younger Warriors, they should keep this in mind, the biggest named guru you can think of, the most successful Entrepreneur you meet...is just a person. And I've met many a business person, rich ones, who gave some very awful advice, because...

          once they get the coin, they THINK it expands their brains. It doesn't.

          Walking down the fairways of Firestone Country Club taught me that, many a man with moolah in his pocket, and marbles in his head.

          If Julius remembers me, it would be as JAY Alexander, which is what I went by most of my life, Gordon is more of an Internet name. When writing, and did a lot of ghosting back then, I had several different non de plumes, as did many others.

          Mail Order was always a sideline gig for me, I had other things to do.

          I would encourage Warriors, once they CAN, to attend as many EVENTS as they can and get to meet the Claude Whitacres of the world. There will be a time when they will talk about some unknown person TODAY, who rose to the top and was accessible.

          When we think of the "Masters" as just people, we find them to be accessible, and available to our curiousities, IF we have respect for their time, and appreciate the hard work they did to get to the big boy's table.

          Truthfully, the guys we (Me) consider to be gurus, like Halbert and Suarez...aren't very big fish in the bigger lakes. People who have never been heard of (although Julius might have known them) like Ed Barr and Burt Morgan have had much greater influence on my life than all the other gurus combined. But even Ed and Burt, were just men.

          I think getting to know people is a worthy pursuit and over the next few years, anyone here could meet and learn from anyone they want to...

          but best advice...

          For Warriors... don't ignore what you already have here, so when Claude or Jason, or Paul or one of many Warriors take the time to post...pay attention, the grass is just as green here as it is anywhere on the Net, eh?

          GordonJ
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            Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post

            When we think of the "Masters" as just people, we find them to be accessible, and available to our curiousities, IF we have respect for their time, and appreciate the hard work they did to get to the big boy's table.
            My experience is that successful business owners and marketers will bend over backwards to help a new person, as long as they can see that you're intelligent, ambitious, and ready to learn.


            Anyway, your stories are better than my stories. I'll never forgive you for that.
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            • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              My experience is that successful business owners and marketers will bend over backwards to help a new person, as long as they can see that you're intelligent, ambitious, and ready to learn.


              Anyway, your stories are better than my stories. I'll never forgive you for that.

              Maybe. But you got the looks, I can't compete there.

              GordonJ

              PS. The title is true, in a park upstate Minnesota, a sign read, The Mississippi River begins here. Thought that by doing it there, I could easily win any future competitions.

              OH, I have your books, and highly recommend them, great stuff.
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              Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

              Oh boy, here we go again.
              Originally Posted by Jonathan 2.0 View Post

              What? This is a (Mind Warrior) Discussion and I'm entitled to my opinion.
              Oh boy, here we go again.
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                Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

                Oh boy, here we go again.
                Sorry I'm not going to respond to that, because I think this discussion has value.
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              Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre View Post

              bend over backwards to help a new person, as long as they can see that you're intelligent, ambitious, and ready to learn.
              but I would hope natchril byooty figures also 'longside the evocative contortin'.
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            • Love the info here gents. I would also add, the importance of being able to recognize an opportunity when they come.....cough cough.
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                Originally Posted by Seeking Affiliate View Post

                Love the info here gents. I would also add, the importance of being able to recognize an opportunity when they come.....cough cough.
                How does one do this? How do we recognize the right opportunity? And what is right for you may not fit me, eh?

                One of my favorite stories comes from Jim Straw, who eons ago, published a newsletter, Business Opportunities Digest, and in the newsletter he allowed subscribers to place free classified ads, either looking for investors (usually, money but sometimes JV's) or having assets to invest.

                Jim got a letter from a couple of guys, seeking investment, they needed 50,000 dollars for their start up, and offered an equity stake of 10%.

                Jim, although he could have easily invested, wrote them and said something like; I don't think the world will ever be ready for everyone to own a computer, but thank you Steve and Steve, and what in the world does an apple have to do with it?

                See? An experienced Entrepreneur, an investor, who cherry picked good deals, who was wealthy because he was able to recognize opportunity MOST of the time, missed out on one of the greatest ops ever.

                But he was able to laugh about it later on, and ol Jim did just fine and dandy, but what would the rest of us do with our 10% of Apple? Probably not hang out at WF, HA!

                So, isn't recognition of opportunity dependent on one's current knowledge, experience and financial ability?

                GordonJ

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    Me personally, I have not had the pleasure to meet any of those fellows, but I am in contact with one of them on a frequent basis. Matter of fact, I came into contact with him on this forum. Some of those names I recognize in private group chats. I have one reason and one reason only that I rub elbows with some of them and that is: They are all open minded wherein they like to think logically even if it means thinking differently.
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      Oh boy, here we go again.
      What? This is a (Mind Warrior) Discussion and I'm entitled to my opinion.
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    @GordonJ,
    $10k a month is a high goal but is not unachievable. The higher the goal, the greater the effort. A few months ago, I heard about one of my mentors who achieved the target of earning $16k a month in the 6th year of his successful journey in digital marketing.
    It was not an easy game. Success is never achieved overnight and there is no shortcut to it. $10k a month is not a worth amount if one makes a target and directs his efforts towards achieving that goal. There will definitely be a time of achieving that goal if we continue our struggles, persistence pays off in the end.

    Best,
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      Originally Posted by Naheed View Post

      @GordonJ,
      $10k a month is a high goal but is not unachievable. The higher the goal, the greater the effort. A few months ago, I heard about one of my mentors who achieved the target of earning $16k a month in the 6th year of his successful journey in digital marketing.
      It was not an easy game. Success is never achieved overnight and there is no shortcut to it. $10k a month is not a worth amount if one makes a target and directs his efforts towards achieving that goal. There will definitely be a time of achieving that goal if we continue our struggles, persistence pays off in the end.

      Best,
      10k a month is a "relative" high goal for Warriors, I grant you that. And it doesn't require struggles, and there are "shortcuts". Is it possible your mentor could have done that in 3 years if he had a better plan of action? Effort is also relative.

      And we can draw from the many stories at the Warrior Forum, that persistence does not pay off in the end, many have persisted themselves to the poor house. I reject your statement categorically.

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        Originally Posted by GordonJ View Post


        And we can draw from the many stories at the Warrior Forum, that persistence does not pay off in the end, many have persisted themselves to the poor house. I reject your statement categorically.

        GordonJ
        Persistence only pays off if you are constantly learning, testing, improving, and implementing.

        And what I see on most of these threads is that most people define persistence as "Doing the same thing until it produces results."

        When I used to sell vacuum cleaners in people's homes, I had a guy work with me one day. I was showing him how to cold canvas, door to door. I knocked on a door and the people weren't interested.

        He said "What are the odds that you'll make a sale tonight?"

        I said "That I'll make a sale? Maybe 50%. That I'll get in someone's home to make a presentation? Nearly 100%"

        He said "You sure are persistent"

        And I said "No. I knock on different doors. If I were persistent, I'd keep knocking on the same door over and over again, hoping for a different result".
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Heinz
    This mindset should bring home the bacon.

    But how determined are you... to make a spine-chilling story that we all like to read and devour?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jeffery
      Originally Posted by Tom Heinz View Post

      This mindset should bring home the bacon.

      But how determined are you... to make a spine-chilling story that we all like to read and devour?
      But how talented are you... to make a spine-chilling story that we all like to read and devour?

      Corrected that for you Mr. Heinz.

      I guess any story is best devoured with ketchup. I could be wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Heinz
        Originally Posted by Jeffery View Post

        But how talented are you... to make a spine-chilling story that we all like to read and devour?

        Corrected that for you Mr. Heinz.

        I guess any story is best devoured with ketchup. I could be wrong.
        You are correct for the ketchup. Delicious reply I must say..

        When determination meets talent.... what a recipe for success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Radcliff
    A very positive approach, I must say. However, I think every person has different capabilities so the time taken to reach a set goal might also be different. The important thing would be to never give up and have higher expectations from your own self to boost your confidence.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by Radcliff View Post

      A very positive approach, I must say. However, I think every person has different capabilities so the time taken to reach a set goal might also be different. The important thing would be to never give up and have higher expectations from your own self to boost your confidence.
      ANYONE? Who doesn't think every person has different capabilities? What a silly idea.

      Ya think the time will be different? HOW does one have higher expectations from their own self...sounds delusional doesn't it? But I see you are on a tear through the WF with your pithy comments, but honestly, give me the name of the person who thinks we all have the same capabilities? Any name?

      What we all have is the same amount of time in a month, or a year. But I'm curious as to why it has to be said we all have DIFFERENT CAPABILITIES.

      I guess many Warriors are on Holiday, and with this sort of posting now routine, I may soon join you.

      GordonJ
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by Radcliff View Post

      A very positive approach, I must say. However, I think every person has different capabilities so the time taken to reach a set goal might also be different. The important thing would be to never give up and have higher expectations from your own self to boost your confidence.
      personal standard ..50 people with about the same capabilities. Will have a range of personal standards ..and they will put the effort in needed to achieve those standards ..

      or they will earn income. And let the income decide the standard ..

      set high personal standards ..give up low standards
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  • Profile picture of the author akmike
    I don't make much money as a internet marketer (just starting now), but I am a trader and it took me 6 years to make 100k. After that it is just doing what works. But those first years were hard. It definitely required some knowledge and experience and that can take time to acquire.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter42
    Hi Gordon, I think that it's important to have an income goal but what if the income goal but on the other hand, if that income goal isn't reached within a time frame that you've set for yourself then you might feel disappointed. It all depends on how someone measures their success, so if a person sets their goal to $10,000 a month and they make less than half of that amount; would they still see it as a win because they didn't achieve their target?

    I personally believe that although an income goal is important to have, a strong personal why is even more important. Before anyone sets out their make money online game plan, they need to figure out why they want to in the first place. Once you've spent a good amount of time narrowing down your one specific reason as to why you want to make more money, it is often a much more powerful motivator than how much you're going to make every month.

    So, I'd definitely say that once you've got your why nailed, the rest will follow.
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Thanks Peter42. I am with you.

      Let me give a little context, this is the WF, and I post to and for the people who come here. Setting a monetary goal is really for the beginner or those ramping up their business and less for an established business, where growth is more of a focus. Growth can be measured in income of course, but there are other metrics involved too.

      If a well thought out plan of action is executed and falls short of the goal, there isn't need for disappointment, only analytics as to why? If your example, the guy who only gets half of the 10k, will it be a win? I don't know. I would want to know why they set that goal, and what they did to achieve it and then analyze it.

      Now I am in total 100% agreement with you as to having a Why, a reason to do it in the first place, and after 30 years of working directly with thousands of people, I will state categorically

      MOST (80%) people don't know what they want or why.

      But as for Warriors who come to the INTERNET Marketing forum, seeking answers to their income situations, asking them why (and there is 20 years of evidence in the archives) they want anything is an exercise in futility.

      They know they want money, and for many, 10k a month is the magic number that gets them to the even more magical 100k a year.

      See, I KNOW for a fact, majority will NOT spend a "good amount of time narrowing down" their why.

      It is a shame, too bad but you are absolutely right on that if they did, they would be far far ahead of things.

      If you know of a way to get them to understand this and to actually do it (take the time to know their why) then I stand at attention ready to listen.

      GordonJ






      Originally Posted by Peter42 View Post

      Hi Gordon, I think that it's important to have an income goal but what if the income goal but on the other hand, if that income goal isn't reached within a time frame that you've set for yourself then you might feel disappointed. It all depends on how someone measures their success, so if a person sets their goal to $10,000 a month and they make less than half of that amount; would they still see it as a win because they didn't achieve their target?

      I personally believe that although an income goal is important to have, a strong personal why is even more important. Before anyone sets out their make money online game plan, they need to figure out why they want to in the first place. Once you've spent a good amount of time narrowing down your one specific reason as to why you want to make more money, it is often a much more powerful motivator than how much you're going to make every month.

      So, I'd definitely say that once you've got your why nailed, the rest will follow.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    This its all about mindset ,if you have an abundance mindset where you think you make money easy ,then subconstient mind will guide you (will do the magic for you) and will show you easy ways to make money .But if you have limiting beliefs and had a struggle childhood it will be hard .You can work 10 hours per day and you will make very less money as your beliefs will stop you to achieve your desired income ,no matter how hard you try .First you need to fix your subconstient paradigms to make a lot of money
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      This its all about mindset ,if you have an abundance mindset where you think you make money easy ,then subconstient mind will guide you (will do the magic for you) and will show you easy ways to make money .But if you have limiting beliefs and had a struggle childhood it will be hard .You can work 10 hours per day and you will make very less money as your beliefs will stop you to achieve your desired income ,no matter how hard you try .First you need to fix your subconstient paradigms to make a lot of money
      You are free to believe this, many do. Many here, who for several years now have been building up their mindset, without actually doing anything.

      The idea any subconscious mind is going to reveal "easy ways to make money" is magical thinking at its best.

      Limiting beliefs become replaced quickly with results, usually from simpler projects.

      I reject your premise, but others may find it useful.

      GordonJ
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    • Profile picture of the author Odahh
      Originally Posted by spartan14 View Post

      This its all about mindset ,if you have an abundance mindset where you think you make money easy ,then subconstient mind will guide you (will do the magic for you) and will show you easy ways to make money .But if you have limiting beliefs and had a struggle childhood it will be hard .You can work 10 hours per day and you will make very less money as your beliefs will stop you to achieve your desired income ,no matter how hard you try .First you need to fix your subconstient paradigms to make a lot of money
      how many years have you had this way of thinkin and has has your subconscious guided you to easy ways to make money yet ..it may be trying .. but you have the hard work struggle and suffer hard work will get you to success eventually mindset ..and you probably would be ashamed or guilty .. if you made money to easy ..

      you most likely do not believe .. there is work that grabs your attention .. that you could be driven to do every waking hour that you build you lifestyle around ..and make money doing it ....you may believe that work is something you must do in order to make money to do the thing you want to do in that small number of hours a week you have available ..for non work stuff

      technology is going to eat 90 percent of jobs in the next decade .. but there will probably be several technologies that allow you to create your own job or work ..

      so all this mindset stuff.. you and the conscious you make on a day to day basis over the next several year. Will be the reason. You have wokr that is hard a struggle and full of suffering .. and 10 hours a day at least where you hope you habit can allow you to mentally check out and dream about all those things you would rather be doing ..

      or you can pop out of bed and get through the things you need to do .. so you spend most of the day doing work you get to do and really want to do

      blahblahblah .. sorry ..the world is pumping out technology to make your life easier .. your work easier and so on ..as some humans create this wonders tech.. a majority of other .. somehow use it to make life harder and more complicated .. with more struggle ...
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter42
    Your personal WHY should, in my opinion, should come before an income goal you might have because your WHY will carry you through any obstacle you're faced with; as long as it's strong enough of course. Someone could tell themselves that they want to make $10,000 a month, but for what reason?

    From my experience, your personal why has to have lots of emotion wrapped around it and it has to have a profound meaning to it; otherwise, your $10,000 a month mindset will only ever be a nice dream.

    Once you do hit that milestone of 10K a month, the system(s) you set up in the first to get to that point should still be in place and by that stage, you'd want to use that same system to scale up.

    That's my two pennies worth!
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  • Profile picture of the author joekyut
    I believe it is better to start something than to wish you'd have started. Aiming high is good but aiming too high can become demotivating especially when it takes too long to achieve the goals.


    It is better to start with actionable goals that can also be measured. This would be possible if you settle on a clear pathway.
    For Example: once you settle on making money through blogging, email marketing or PPC and more. You select one and find info on how to implement it. You'll achieve it even quicker than trying to reach far-fetched goals .
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    • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
      Originally Posted by joekyut View Post

      I believe it is better to start something than to wish you'd have started. Aiming high is good but aiming too high can become demotivating especially when it takes too long to achieve the goals.


      It is better to start with actionable goals that can also be measured. This would be possible if you settle on a clear pathway.
      For Example: once you settle on making money through blogging, email marketing or PPC and more. You select one and find info on how to implement it. You'll achieve it even quicker than trying to reach far-fetched goals .
      to wish
      too long
      FAR FETCHED GOALS... <<< this type of language.

      I think I need a break, getting kind of tired of people not even bothering to read the threads, just posting to post for their sig file...

      I get it.

      I understand.

      Just tired of it. So, I think a holiday is in order.

      There are people here, right at the WF, and many many other places whom would panic at the idea of only making 10k a month, they would tremble at the idea...

      As an actionable goal, as one which needn't take years to achieve, when one is focused, as has been repeatedly said...it is only FAR FETCHED in the minds of those who will never (my opinion) come close to ever reaching it.

      GordonJ

      PS. Hello warm beaches of my mind.
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