The $10,000.00 a month mindset.

And every year, there is a new crop of them....with hopes and dreams...and credit cards.

Like you, I have changed a little. My new sales training course (probably out early next year) is going to be marketed to salespeople with at least a year of real sales experience, and business owners in applicable fields.

I don't need to sell everyone. I don't want everyone. Most salespeople are new. It's that new people drain the life out of me.

If I were selling maps to a gold mine, my preference is to be in the map selling business. I'd sell to prospectors.

Yes, most of the money would be made in the "I'll get the donkey, the supplies, go with you to the gold mine, help you dig, hold your hand while you pan for gold, and tell you how great you are when it takes a while to find gold" business. But I'm not in he babysitting business. I used to be (hiring and training new reps), but now I just want to talk to people who already have done something.

Here? I can stop posting if the person shows they are hopeless.

Businesses. Would it surprise anyone to find out most businesses are started as a JOB ALTERNATIVE?

I do agree, a small fraction of people who start a business are Entrepreneurs. Here, at the WF, which I have to keep reminding myself (and others) is where we are at...one will find very few risk takers, which categorize an Entrepreneur.

We have tens of thousands who want a JOB, where they are the boss, and work from home, and make enough to survive off of.

Many momma and poppa operations are a JOB, they pay a workman's wages to the owners, and for the most part, the businesses are happy with that.

As has been pointed out, any dollar amounts pursued, are not the sign of Entrepreneurship, but it is a yardstick HERE at the WF, which is why I posted it up.

I think the VAST majority of Warriors who reach the 10k a month earnings level, feel that they have achieved their IM success, albeit, it may be a harder JOB than what they could do, but they only have themselves to answer to.

120K a year, in about the Pareto (80/20) %, would be a JOB. An Entrepreneur could make half of that, or 10x that amount.

But here, at the WF, most want a JOB income, and are willing to work much harder (or so they claim) than they would for someone who would be their boss.

GordonJ

And that's the difference between a business owner and an employee.


A related example; I have a very competent vacuum cleaner repair person that has worked for me for a year or so. His grasp of how to repair vacuums is beyond mine (I do repairs out of necessity. I'm a salesman).

And yet he doesn't do little touches that I do. After every repair, I fully inspect the machine, to make sure I didn't miss anything, and to make sure it's clean, and will impress the customer. My repair guy will do the repair and test it. But if I don't tell him to replace a specific part, he won't do it. There is no effort beyond what he has been told to do.

It's always strange to me, the difference between how some employees think, and some employers (at least successful ones).

By the way, when I see you are the last poster on a thread...I go to see what you've said.

Sucking up is an art.

I have to wonder about the older Warrior, we see them often, the 50+ year old who has never made a dime after spending years with IM. And those over 60? Slim chances buddy. but please prove me wrong for your own sake.

As we have discussed, the 10k a month is just a handy sign along the IM road, there are Warriors that make 10k a week and have sold businesses for over 7 figures.

And as usual, Claude hits the right note here. INTEREST has to be considered, and ambition. Although he has become the subject of much scorn, Napoleon Hill talked about the transmuting of sexual energy into business, and why so many men take into their 40's to reach financial success because they are less preoccupied with sex.

I remember the 80 hour work weeks. And I also recall the number of games, shows and meetings I missed with my children. It is sometimes the Entrepreneur's trade off, but it doesn't have to be. There can be balance.

Some want to build huge businesses, others want to build a portfolio of assets, I think these are few and far between here at the WF.

They're here, but consider the million or so claimed members, those guys who have big businesses and have built up assets, are an extremely small %.

There are no rules, as I stated in the OP.

But there are proven pathways to getting somewhere in IM or any business, it has to begin with what the ending is. What we want.

Like Claude, and Harvey Brody...I don't want employees, and avoid doing the things which require them.

Harvey Brody taught me to eliminate as much "slop and mess" as I could from all money making endeavors. It comes down to lifestyle, what and how you live, what you want.

The younger Warrior might want that Lambo, the McMansion, the Rolex and of course, the girls. Married Warriors with children might focus more on steady income and security. Older Warriors may just want to supplement.

Really OLD guys, like me, we just want to drop our cow pies of accumulated experiences hoping they get squished between understanding toes by Warriors passing through our pastures.

Between those 80+ hour weeks, and the 10 hour weeks, I prefer the latter. I want the TIME to do what I want, and the least amount of effort to get the moolah required to have what is needed.

TIME. Here's a story from when I was a student at Golden West College taking classes in business and watching the girl's swim team (Olympic training center at the time).

Joe Karbo showed me a HOTSHEET (his words) he paid 20 dollars a week to get. A single piece of paper with boats for sale in the greater LA Basin, these were new prices which the public wouldn't get for a day and a half. This gave Joe and his cronies time to think about investing in a boat they might want (either to flip or to keep). This letter only was sent to 200 subscribers. WOW, I asked why he didn't publish it, I mean after all that is 4k a week for a piece of paper, envelope and a stamp. I wanted to do it. He said it wasn't or wouldn't be worth his time because it would cost him that much in time he could devote to his business. (By the way, and you'd have to ask his kids, I believe Joe was one of those guys who attended as many of his kids {seemed like a lot of them} things as he could. For a guy who made tons of money, he had TIME to spend with his family).


My point is, AMBITION is often governed by INTEREST and what we want, and that often is reflected in our age too. The thought of being on a boat with a dozen bikini clad Kardashians tires me out. I'd rather take a nap.

KNOWING yourself, what you want and W H Y you want, is a good first step to take toward any ambitious activity.

I think, maybe it is time to redirect this discussion toward the HOW, as opposed to the mindset...would that be a good direction to go? HOW to make your 10k a mo (week, or day even).

HOW is it done? (Don't be surprised to hear the words WORK in the discussion).

GordonJ

They (beliefs, mindset, attitudes) are important, no one says otherwise, but they are only SEEN through the actions taken of the Entrepreneur, otherwise, they're just some guy sitting around dreaming.

Eben Pagan is successful by what he has done, what the thought about before that, only he really knows. Napoleon Hill, whatever else one might think about him, DID write the books (whether he made it up or not is inconclusive)...but he ACTED on his thoughts.

NO one, in this thread at least, said anything about those mental things being unimportant, but they only count to the world by what is demonstrated. This may very well be a subforum about some of those things, but it is purpose as STATED very clearly is:

Mind Warriors is a forum dedicated to self improvement and empowering minds to make more money online. You will find inspiring posts that motivate you to take action and achieve more.



GordonJ

And where does that belief come from?
Actually providing value. Actually doing the work, and then seeing the results...the fruits of your labor. That's what gives you beliefs power. It's what gives them deep roots.


"The Beliefs, Attitudes, and Mindsets of an Entrepreneur are equally as important as the actions." Maybe.

But actions will give you the same results...no matter what you believe. And these beliefs without the action will give you nothing but a nice warm feeling in your stomach.

All the stories you read about people creating wealth, and accomplishing great things?

They did the work first. They had the accomplishments first......that's how they learned about the mindset in the first place.

It's repeated successful results that give you your attitude. Having that attitude before you actually do something is fun to talk about...but it lacks power. It lacks certainty.

You cannot be certain you can do anything...until you do it. That's why actions are more important than attitude.


Damn. I posted before I read your post. I swear.

My experience is that successful business owners and marketers will bend over backwards to help a new person, as long as they can see that you're intelligent, ambitious, and ready to learn.


Anyway, your stories are better than my stories. I'll never forgive you for that.