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There is a story in the news about Obama suggesting the Washington Redskins football team change its name to avoid offending native Americans.

(Per forum rules please keep the discussion on topic and away from politics. Thanks.)

The article mentioned how many college teams had changed their Indian-related names, including Marquette changing from the Warriors to the Golden Eagles.

Story here: News from The Associated Press

Personally, the name "Warriors" potentially being offensive is not at all on my radar.

The point for discussion, which I hope is obvious, is name selection for your business and products.

It is hard enough to avoid trademark issues. Virtually every word is the subject of some trademark. Even the word "trademark" is trademarked. So it is not as simple as saying you will not register a domain containing a trademarked word. Researching the US PTO, which is the most convenient place for looking up trademarks, only shows registered marks. Most trademarks are not registered, but still enforceable (although those spending the money to register are most likely to litigate the issue, at least one WF member was sued for using an unregistered trademark).

Not being "offensive" - whatever that means, is often included in contracts, such as web hosting.

Then there is being on the wrong side of bad publicity if your name translates poorly, or is offensive in some manner you did not expect.

There is value in making up a name. I have done a few times. It means nothing and only shows up for you when a Bing search is done. It may also be very useful for branding. Most businesses have historically used branded names, not keyword names. (There probably is not the 'Best Fast Food Restaurant' in your town, but there is a McDonalds.)

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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    My take is that Obama is simply doing what any president and de facto party leader would do - trying to deflect attention away from a subject that's turning the whole country from red and blue to a nice shade of purple - the government shutdown.

    Various publicity seeking groups have taken so many shots at supposedly offensive names that even late night comics make fun of them.

    Wait, maybe I can grab some headlines for my business by calling for Notre Dame to change their name from the "Fighting Irish" because it's an offensive stereotype...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kurt
    In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

    ...that settles that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tim3
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

      ...that settles that.
      We need more people like you in politics Kurt
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

      ...that settles that.
      There is a similar issue right now in the UK. Fans of Tottenham Hotspur, who have often referred to themselves as the 'Yid Army' have been warned that they will face legal action if they use what is being referred to as the 'Y word' in today's game against West Ham.

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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

        There is a similar issue right now in the UK. Fans of Tottenham Hotspur, who have often referred to themselves as the 'Yid Army' have been warned that they will face legal action if they use what is being referred to as the 'Y word' in today's game against West Ham.

        Will
        It should be added that Tottenham Hotspur supporters are largely Jewish and adopted the name 'Yid Army' as a way to defuse anti-Semitic heckling from rival teams in the 1890s and early 1900s. While the term can clearly be offensive when used as an insult, in this instance it quite the opposite.

        The Football Association's clumsy attempt to ban the term seems likely to cause more upset to the thousands who see it as a badge of pride than the few who have expressed a grievance.
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

      In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

      ...that settles that.
      Good thinking Kurt, for if the foreskins of the Jewish were circumcised, then they would become the red skins. :p

      Personally, I find all of this political correctness completely annoying. You can't please all of the people all of the time. For instance, I am of Native American decent. Wait a minute!

      Some of my ancestors are Indians, dang it!

      I can't tell you how annoyed I was when my children started school and told me that they got chastised for calling sitting with knees bent and legs crossed sitting Indian Style, because it was offensive to Native Americans. They had to call it sitting "Crisscross Applesauce!" What the heck?

      Our ancestors sat that way while having important pow-wows and tribal and cross tribal meetings while smoking peace pipes! It is a part of our history. Why does the government want to eliminate that reference? Are they trying to bury what they did to the Redskins and sweep it under the rug like they have so many other events of our nation's history? I find that offensive!

      Okay, I'm not really going to raise a stink about this and expect the government to be shut down until this issue is solved.

      I just wanted to show you how ludicrous I think political correctness is and how not everyone agrees with it. I'm sure some Indians, er, some Native Americans may be offended by the term Redskins. As I said, you just cannot please all of the people all of the time.

      Honestly, I would like to see the president handle much more pressing issues than to change a football team's handle/mascot. :rolleyes:

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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

        ...

        Why does the government want to eliminate that reference? Are they trying to bury what they did to the Redskins and sweep it under the rug like they have so many other events of our nation's history? I find that offensive!

        ...

        Honestly, I would like to see the president handle much more pressing issues than to change a football team's handle/mascot. :rolleyes:

        Terra
        Terra et al ... the President was interviewed by AP and he said, in response to a question, "If I owned the Washington Redskins, I would think about changing their name as Redskin is offensive to many."

        That hardly constitutes the government or the President in any fashion getting involved in what sports teams call themselves.

        Aside from that, I hardly think it would be difficult to come up with sports teams names that didn't involve racial or ethnic slurs.

        President Barack Obama says he would "think about changing" the Washington Redskins' name if he owned the football team as he waded into the controversy involving a word many consider offensive to Native Americans.

        Obama, in an interview with The Associated Press, said team names such as the Redskins offend "a sizable group of people." He said that while fans get attached to the names, nostalgia may not be a good enough reason to keep them in place.

        "I don't know whether our attachment to a particular name should override the real legitimate concerns that people have about these things," he said in the interview, which was conducted Friday at the White House.

        An avid sports fan who roots for his hometown Chicago Bears, Obama said he doesn't think Washington football fans are purposely trying to offend American Indians.

        "I don't want to detract from the wonderful Redskins fans that are here. They love their team and rightly so," he said.

        President Obama on Washington Redskins -- 'Legitimate concerns' - ESPN
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        • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          Terra et al ... the President was interviewed by AP and he said, in response to a question, "If I owned the Washington Redskins, I would think about changing their name as Redskin is offensive to many."

          That hardly constitutes the government or the President in any fashion getting involved in what sports teams call themselves.

          Aside from that, I hardly think it would be difficult to come up with sports teams names that didn't involve racial or ethnic slurs.
          LOL Suzanne!

          I was attempting to be humorously facetious.

          I guess I failed.

          By the way, half of me is Paleface too.

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          • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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            Originally Posted by MissTerraK View Post

            LOL Suzanne!

            I was attempting to be humorously facetious.

            I guess I failed.

            By the way, half of me is Paleface too.

            Terra
            Well, now you've gone and done it. Offended all caucasians
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            • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
              Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

              Well, now you've gone and done it. Offended all caucasians
              Whoops! Haha! I'm on a roll aren't I?

              Okay, I'll just shut up now. :p

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        • Profile picture of the author An Al
          Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

          That hardly constitutes the government or the President in any fashion getting involved in what sports teams call themselves.
          That question wasn't just pulled out of thin air for no reason. He was asked that question specifically because that is the end goal. There is even legislation being proposed by a moron in congress to address the issue.
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    Unbelievable.
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  • Profile picture of the author WillR
    My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

    I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

    Quite seriously the other day when the shutdown was mentioned on the news here in Australia, everyone I was sitting with looked at each other as if to say, what the hell are they talking about. What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

    Some weird stuff happening over there.
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      If things keep going the way they are... The last one to leave, please, turn off the light...

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    • Profile picture of the author KateD
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

      I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.
      I think throwing a blanket statement like that is a bit premature. Yes, the U.S. government has shut down, but that wasn't the doing of its citizens. The last poll I saw said that 85% of Americans never wanted the government to shut down.

      That being said, it IS embarrassing. I love my country but jesus, some of the bickering and ineffectiveness of the US government just doesn't make sense.

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      • Profile picture of the author WillR
        Originally Posted by KateD View Post

        I think throwing a blanket statement like that is a bit premature. Yes, the U.S. government has shut down, but that wasn't the doing of its citizens. The last poll I saw said that 85% of Americans never wanted the government to shut down.

        That being said, it IS embarrassing. I love my country but jesus, some of the bickering and ineffectiveness of the US government just doesn't make sense.

        KateD
        I meant the country is bonkers meaning the government, obviously I don't mean everyone is bonkers as that would be a generalization. But yes, there are people lighting themselves on fire, driving through government barricades, driving cars over motorcyclists, massacring people... everyday there is something crazy going on over there it seems. Just telling it how I am seeing it. Crazy world we live in today. Problems everywhere... we just seem to hear about the problems in the US more so than anywhere else.
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    • Profile picture of the author rondo
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.
      Good question. In other western countries failure to fund a budget forces a new election.


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    • Profile picture of the author goindeep
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

      I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

      Quite seriously the other day when the shutdown was mentioned on the news here in Australia, everyone I was sitting with looked at each other as if to say, what the hell are they talking about. What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

      Some weird stuff happening over there.
      They could say that about us too, our leaders knifed each other twice to get the head job which meant our prime minister changed twice away and then back to the former, we had our first female PM due to this and then we recently got sick of both of them and ended up voting for a budgie smuggling buffoon.

      In terms of names, trademarks etc... ahh it's all a load of wank in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author CJLBW
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.
      What country shuts down like that.
      Who? Uh, Australia... circa 1975???

      So sayeth washingtonpost dot com:
      Australia had a government shutdown once. In the end, the queen fired everyone in Parliament.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by WillR View Post

      My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

      I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

      Quite seriously the other day when the shutdown was mentioned on the news here in Australia, everyone I was sitting with looked at each other as if to say, what the hell are they talking about. What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

      Some weird stuff happening over there.
      The US has been running on a PROMISE for 100 years!!!!!! It's official birthdate was December 22, 1913 !!!!!!!! so the 100th birthday will be 12/22/2013!!!!!! Prior to that, there was FAR more backing it. IRONIC! But WHAT happens if the promise is broken?

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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Originally Posted by kindsvater View Post

    There is a story in the news about Obama suggesting the Washington Redskins football team change its name to avoid offending native Americans.
    Are they claiming to be offended?

    Edit: Ok I just learned it is often considered an offensive term - I didn't know that.


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  • Profile picture of the author excell99
    Come on Obama you have got to have better things to do then try and get a football name changed...
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  • Profile picture of the author Claire Koch
    kurt is crackin me up get back to videos right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author shane_k
    As a Native American myself I want to thank John and Kurt for turning this into a joke, I really appreciate it!

    @Kindsvater I actually do want to thank you for bringing this up because it is an important lesson, especially considering most of us are going to have customers from all around the world.

    So when choosing a business name it is a good idea to consider how it might look to other cultures or what the translation might be in different languages.

    I have hear stories about different US companies that have had to either change their brand name in another country or their jingle/mantra (can't remember the word) because their brand name when translated was actually a bad word, or turned off the customers in some way, or was the name of a private part, even a tropical disease.

    On a final note just because you don't think it is offensive doesn't mean it is not offensive to someone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      As a Native American myself I want to thank John and Kurt for turning this into a joke, I really appreciate it!

      @Kindsvater I actually do want to thank you for bringing this up because it is an important lesson, especially considering most of us are going to have customers from all around the world.

      So when choosing a business name it is a good idea to consider how it might look to other cultures or what the translation might be in different languages.

      I have hear stories about different US companies that have had to either change their brand name in another country or their jingle/mantra (can't remember the word) because their brand name when translated was actually a bad word, or turned off the customers in some way, or was the name of a private part, even a tropical disease.

      On a final note just because you don't think it is offensive doesn't mean it is not offensive to someone else.
      Shane, no offense intended, but people are getting so sensitized that one could hardly say anything without offending somebody. Hence, my quip about the Notre Dame team name (McCabe is an Irish name).

      As for companies having to make changes for cultural reasons, here are a few for you...

      When Chevrolet tried to market its Nova model in Mexico, sales were very disappointing. Finally, someone realized that "no va" is Spanish for "no go."

      I don't remember the company name, but a large company attempted to market baby formula in China. In many western countries, white is the color of purity. In China, it's the color of death. In China, at least at the time, there were a lot of illiterate people who relied on label colors and pictures to select products. They saw the picture of the baby on a white carton as "baby poison".

      I think that if enough people cared about a team name that it affected ticket sales, the name would get changed. The University of North Dakota changed the team name from "Fighting Sioux" because enough people cared about it.

      Culture wars aside, I stand by my original position. Obama made the comments he did, at the time he did, because he and Congress finally managed to get the majority in this country to agree on something. Unfortunately, that agreement is that he and Congress are screwing up big time.
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      • Profile picture of the author Kurt
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Shane, no offense intended, but people are getting so sensitized that one could hardly say anything without offending somebody. Hence, my quip about the Notre Dame team name (McCabe is an Irish name).

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        Sorry John, but I strongly disagree with a few points in your posts.

        Naming a team "Redskins" isn't similar at all to calling a team the "Fighting Irish". A more accurate comparision would be calling Notre Dame "The Fighting Micks" or "The Fighting Crackers". There's also a difference between calling a team the "Braves", "Chiefs", "Indians" vs. "Redskins".

        Plus, who are a bunch of old white men to tell Native Americans what they should be offended about? If it offends them, that's all that should matter.

        Also, Obama's comments aren't a red herring. Sports writer Peter King, one of the most respected sports writers in America, said about a month ago he would stop using the word "Redskins". A couple of other prominent sportswriters have since followed King's lead. This has been a fairly major story in the sports world.

        This was a trend that started well before the shutdown, unless you are accusing Peter King of being part of a political conspiracy anticipating something that's beyond his control. And, since Obama is known as a big American sports fan, he was asked his feelings about the issue. He isn't doing anything political, only speaking his opinion to a direct question.

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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Sorry John, but I strongly disagree with a few points in your posts.

          Naming a team "Redskins" isn't similar at all to calling a team the "Fighting Irish". A more accurate comparision would be calling Notre Dame "The Fighting Micks" or "The Fighting Crackers". There's also a difference between calling a team the "Braves", "Chiefs", "Indians" vs. "Redskins".
          I get what you are saying, but I also watched UND forced to change their name from "Fighting Sioux" to something more politically correct.

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Plus, who are a bunch of old white men to tell Native Americans what they should be offended about? If it offends them, that's all that should matter.
          I'm not denying anyone's right to be offended by anything, nor their right to complain or try to get things changed. I simply don't agree that a "bunch of old white men" should automatically make changes because some other group is offended.

          I also recall some groups calling for the University of Hawaii to change the team name away from "Rainbow Warriors" because it might offend both gay and anti-gay groups. Strange, since I found Hawaii to be one of the most gay-tolerant states I've ever visited.

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Also, Obama's comments aren't a red herring. Sports writer Peter King, one of the most respected sports writers in America, said about a month ago he would stop using the word "Redskins". A couple of other prominent sportswriters have since followed King's lead. This has been a fairly major story in the sports world.
          As much as I respect King as a writer, he still has to ply his craft in a medium that has fired and basically blackballed people for using the wrong word. If he decided not to use the expression on ethical grounds, I'm cool with that.

          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          This was a trend that started well before the shutdown, unless you are accusing Peter King of being part of a political conspiracy anticipating something that's beyond his control. And, since Obama is known as a big American sports fan, he was asked his feelings about the issue. He isn't doing anything political, only speaking his opinion to a direct question.

          "Hail to the Foreskins!"
          Then maybe the timing really is just coincidental. Fair enough...
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        • Profile picture of the author An Al
          Originally Posted by Kurt View Post

          Plus, who are a bunch of old white men to tell Native Americans what they should be offended about? If it offends them, that's all that should matter.
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          Last I checked, old white men have as much right to their opinion as so-called native americans have, or anyone else for that matter. Funny you said that though since it IS a bunch of old white men who came up with this nonsense and who are telling them they should be offended, lol.
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    • Profile picture of the author An Al
      Originally Posted by shane_k View Post

      On a final note just because you don't think it is offensive doesn't mean it is not offensive to someone else.
      Which applies to virtually every aspect of life in every corner of the entire planet.

      Aside from that, I hardly think it would be difficult to come up with sports teams names that didn't involve racial or ethnic slurs.
      Until someone decides that the name you're using is a racist/ethic slur, even if it isn't, which is what is happening in the case of the Washington Redskins.

      Meanwhile, I don't think Obama would have to worry about the team name if he were the owner. They'd likely be out of business, lol.
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by An Al View Post

        Until someone decides that the name you're using is a racist/ethic slur, even if it isn't, which is what is happening in the case of the Washington Redskins.
        Right ... I wonder if Bears are going to get all offended by having a sports team named after them. There are so many words that are neither racial or ethnic slurs without using ones that obviously are.

        Redskin (slang)
        From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        "Redskin" is a racial descriptor for Native Americans, the origins of which are disputed. Although by some accounts not originally having negative intent,[1] the term is now defined by dictionaries of American English as "usually offensive",[2] "disparaging",[3][4] "insulting",[5] "taboo" [6] and is avoided in public usage with the exception of its continued use as a name for sports teams.

        Originally Posted by An Al View Post

        That question wasn't just pulled out of thin air for no reason. He was asked that question specifically because that is the end goal. There is even legislation being proposed by a moron in congress to address the issue.
        Well, morons in Congress are not the President.
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  • Profile picture of the author Beatinest
    With all of the horrible things going on in the world, it's a good thing people are offended by the name of a football team instead of lets say...human trafficking, starvation, a dwindling water supply and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    I'm half redskin, no kidding. I am not offended by the name of a sports team. I choose not to be offended. It's a decision of what to do with my power; give it away or keep it.

    And while we're on the subject, I never had a problem with being called an indian. Native American has too many syllables.

    Call me Indigenous Man.

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  • Profile picture of the author clever7
    Yes, I agree that the Warrior Forum should change its name. Warriors are aggressive people. In the beginning I didn't like the idea to be a Warrior, but I simply accepted it.

    I don't like ‘Golden Eagles’ either. I prefer an intellectual name.
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  • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
    In 13 years of writing my newsletter I have twice been accused of being racist.

    The first was when I wrote a negative review of a product and commented on its flaws by writing this:

    "The salespage makes it look like the answer to everything but when you look deeper you find the chinks in its armor."

    Apparently I offended billions of Chinese people with that, and lost a subscriber, even though the common expression has no racial content whatsoever.

    The second time I wrote that I had been to Starbucks and asked the server for a tall black Americano.

    A highly affronted reader wrote to chastise me for my racist attitude and warned me that I could be arrested for specifying who served me in that way.

    When I politely pointed out that a tall black Americano is what Starbucks call the drink and that my only concern with the serving staff at Starbucks was the sheer number of them required to pour a simple cup of coffee she did at least have the grace to apologize.
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    • Profile picture of the author G minus
      I came up with a very simple solution to this earlier. Why change the name of the team when you can just change the mascot? That's right.
      Just remove the pictures of Indians (Native Americans) from the helmets, middle of the field & wherever else they may be & replace with pictures of potatoes (red skinned of course) voila! Problem solved.
      They could have potato boy running around the field throwing (free) french fries up into the bleachers & everyone would be happy. Right?
      Although some potato farmers in Idaho may get ticked off for some unforeseen reason, oh well.
      We should all know as marketers that it's impossible to please everyone all the time anyway. Right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
      Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

      The first was when I wrote a negative review of a product and commented on its flaws by writing this:

      "The salespage makes it look like the answer to everything but when you look deeper you find the chinks in its armor."
      Ha ha!

      The second time I wrote that I had been to Starbucks and asked the server for a tall black Americano.

      A highly affronted reader wrote to chastise me for my racist attitude and warned me that I could be arrested for specifying who served me in that way.
      You're making it up right?

      Thanks for giving me a good laugh!

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      • Profile picture of the author Martin Avis
        Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

        Ha ha!

        You're making it up right?

        Thanks for giving me a good laugh!

        Will
        Nope. All true. They really are out there!
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        • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
          Originally Posted by Martin Avis View Post

          Nope. All true. They really are out there!
          Amazing!

          I have a friend who runs a comedy club here in the UK. He has red hair and he once told me that 'gingerism' has become the last politically acceptable sterotype.

          On that basis ...

          If a red-headed guy works at a bakery, does that make him a ginger bread man?

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  • Profile picture of the author daavidz
    G minus that is just brilliant. Free fries, omg. Imagine that.
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    • Profile picture of the author G minus
      On the french fry package there could even be a pull off tab with an OTO on it (only valid till the end of halftime of course) for a 1/2 priced heart clogging double cheeseburger & jumbo watered down light beer combo. Kabooom! The rest is history!
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    You simply cant forget a 10% coupon for medical bills.
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    • Profile picture of the author G minus
      Nah! Obamacare should cover that (supposedly) who knows?
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  • Profile picture of the author KenThompson
    A flip side to this is realizing the original intent behind these names which was associating a team with positive qualities. Warriors and redskins point to the exceptional fighting spirit found in Native Americans. Formidable and fierce opponents which they were.


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    • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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      Originally Posted by KenThompson View Post

      A flip side to this is realizing the original intent behind these names which was associating a team with positive qualities. Warriors and redskins point to the exceptional fighting spirit found in Native Americans. Formidable and fierce opponents which they were.


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      This is all true. I actually think it's silly to be offended a sports team brand, but then I'm not enough Native American to really be offended by it.

      I know that Paula Dean probably wishes to God that she didn't use a certain word.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    This is an issue that is close to my heart because I have Native American ancestry and know Native people.

    Frankly, comparing the Warrior Forum name to Redskins is like apples and oranges - not relevant.

    The word "warrior" does not demean any particular group. Therefore, this name is not an issue.

    Redskin or Redskins, however, is laced with a long history of demeaning attitudes and name calling of a certain group of people. It's not about what non-native people feel. Of course, you don't feel offended, because the offensive language isn't directed at your culture.

    It requires sensitivity to other people's feelings to really get why the word Redskin is offensive. I'm not going to spend time explaining why Native Americans don't like this name.

    Just think of a really offensive word that makes you feel degraded personally. Now turn that word into the name of a popular sports team.

    Personally, I want the name Redskins eliminated from the NFL permanently. It has no place in professional sports in this day and age. I'd be just as offended if a team were named the Black Sambos. Why is there no team with this name?

    How about this? Let's rename the Redskins the Washington White Jerks.

    Publicly degrading Native Americans like this is not acceptable to me and lots of others. Eventually, this offensive NFL team name is going to end up on the dirt pile of history. Count on it.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      Right ... I wonder if Bears are going to get all offended by having a sports team named after them. There are so many words that are neither racial or ethnic slurs without using ones that obviously are.
      Isn't "bear" a slang term for large, hairy gay men? That might explain all the butt slapping...

      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      This is all true. I actually think it's silly to be offended a sports team brand, but then I'm not enough Native American to really be offended by it.

      I know that Paula Dean probably wishes to God that she didn't use a certain word.
      That word that must not be spoken started out as a mispronunciation of the then-correct word, Negro. Even before uttering it in public became career suicide, it was associated with ignorance in many circles.

      Don't recall the name, but an elderly black gentleman was asked why he didn't use the term African-American. He said something to the effect of "when I was a little kid, I was called [that word], As a teen, I was a Negro. Then I was colored, then black. Now I'm supposed to be 'African-American'? I was born in Detroit and I've never been to Africa. I'm satisfied to be a black man who is an American."
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      • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Isn't "bear" a slang term for large, hairy gay men? That might explain all the butt slapping...
        OMG ... who'd a thunk it?

        In gay culture, a Bear is a large, hairy man who projects an image of rugged masculinity. As a rising subculture in the gay and bisexual male communities, Bears are one of many LGBT communities with events, codes, and a culture-specific identity.
        Bear (gay culture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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      • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Isn't "bear" a slang term for large, hairy gay men? That might explain all the butt slapping...


        Hahaha!

        Dang it, John!

        You made me spit out my V-8 and it was the last of it. :p

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      How about this? Let's rename the Redskins the Washington White Jerks.
      "Washington Rednecks" would fit better on the jerseys, and they wouldn't even have to change team colors...
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    • Profile picture of the author MissTerraK
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      This is an issue that is close to my heart because I have Native American ancestry and know Native people.

      Frankly, comparing the Warrior Forum name to Redskins is like apples and oranges - not relevant.

      The word "warrior" does not demean any particular group. Therefore, this name is not an issue.

      Redskin or Redskins, however, is laced with a long history of demeaning attitudes and name calling of a certain group of people. It's not about what non-native people feel. Of course, you don't feel offended, because the offensive language isn't directed at your culture.

      It requires sensitivity to other people's feelings to really get why the word Redskin is offensive. I'm not going to spend time explaining why Native Americans don't like this name.

      Just think of a really offensive word that makes you feel degraded personally. Now turn that word into the name of a popular sports team.

      Personally, I want the name Redskins eliminated from the NFL permanently. It has no place in professional sports in this day and age. I'd be just as offended if a team were named the Black Sambos. Why is there no team with this name?

      How about this? Let's rename the Redskins the Washington White Jerks.

      Publicly degrading Native Americans like this is not acceptable to me and lots of others. Eventually, this offensive NFL team name is going to end up on the dirt pile of history. Count on it.
      I find your post very interesting. I too am of American Indian lineage and don't find that name offensive at all. My family doesn't and our Indian friends don't either. We're proud of our heritage, it helps define who we are as as individuals in knowing where we came from and where we are today.

      Redskin to me is just defining skin color and is no different than calling the other half of my lineage white. We are white, well peachy in color actually and we are redskins, well of a darker complexion anyway.

      I suppose if I liked getting my panties all up in a bunch over it, I could. I just find that there are more important issues going on to expend my energy on.

      I once had someone ask me if I got upset when American Indians were referred to as savages. I said not really, because some tribes were. Early ancestors of my tribe considered warfare a defiling activity, and warriors required undergoing purification rites by the priests before they could reintegrate into normal village life if they had been forced into warfare. So I would have every right to be offended if I so chose.

      Perhaps it lies within the mindset and attitude of individuals? That's what I think anyway. For whatever it's worth, lol.

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  • Profile picture of the author RogueOne
    I'm half redskin, no kidding. I am not offended by the name of a sports team.
    Polls show 80% of Native Americans have no objection to the name.
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  • Profile picture of the author Fun to Write
    There was a time in this country when a majority of Americans thought slavery and Jim Crow was A-Okay too. Or, at least tolerable.

    Native Americans have faced ongoing racial discrimination that most people don't even know about - blindly oblivious as they say.

    Redskin is a racial slur. The origin of the word is based on genocide of American Indians. Kill an Indian and scalp them. The blood on the scalp was referred to as redskin.

    Not surprised that many Native Americans accept this slur. Racial psychology is complex in this country. As a black female I'm quite familiar with how people people of color view certain controversial words.

    So, stating that a majority of Native Americans aren't bothered in some poll doesn't sway my opinion. The truth is that Native American groups have been trying to get rid of these offensive sports team names for decades. They have had lots of success at the high school and college level.

    Public acceptance doesn't change the fact that some rich white guy is making lots of money perpetuating this slur. By the way, the team owner had the nerve to get upset with the negative way he thought his Jewish ancestry was being portrayed by a graphic image that accompanied that article - the same article about his racially offensive team name. PLEASE...clueless.

    I read that the original team owner that chose this name, after several name changes, was openly racist. It was okay back in his era.

    There are black people that think the word n...r should never be used again. Others use it regularly as a means to have power over it and wipe out its derogatory meaning. There is no consensus on this, which confuses whites and others that try using it.

    Heads up: It's not cool for white folks to use that term no matter how many black friends you have.

    Still, you're not going to find one NFL team owner naming a team after a racial slur in this day and age. This name is a leftover from another time - it too shall pass.

    NFL owners may be able to get away with it for a while longer, but eventually, the tide of public opinion will turn against them.

    Ignorance about how hurtful this name is to a good number of people contributes to apathy. Again, I state my utter contempt for this racial slur. I think it's SHAMEFUL that a major NFL sports team in 2013, located in our nation's capitol, uses this slur for entertainment and profit.

    This is not a way to "honor" the heritage of Native Americans.

    I refuse to say the name of this team or contribute to its glorification. There are sports fans and sports writers that feel strongly about this as well. President Obama is in good company on this issue.

    So, go ahead and make light of it - some of you here are having a blast making jokes. Just know that WORDS have consequences. Next time someone calls you or someone you love a bad name - think about how that makes you feel.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Redskin is a racial slur.
      Who couldn't see that one coming? Little problem with the PC statement is the Indian nations don't have a problem with the name.

      A few politically correct people do - and the non-Indian President does - and those who can see racism in an ink blot do....but the people supposedly being "dissed" don't have a problem with the name!!!

      If the mascot is a problem - get a more dignified mascot. If that's the biggest problem we have - shouldn't we be in better shape?

      Why don't we just name EVERYTHING with the alphabet and colors - we could have the green A team, and the Purple Q team. Until the alphabet hired a lawyer, it would work fine.

      WillR -

      I'm with you on how this looks to the rest of the world. It's even stranger than it seems. This country has not passed a BUDGET since 2009. Instead we've passed a series of continuing resolutions with no budget, kept spending and raised the debt ceiling again and again. Don't try that at home - you'd end up homeless.
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      • Profile picture of the author seasoned
        Yeah, the people on those teams HOPE they can be the best. If they are, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? The people doing these "offending" things hope the team can be its best.

        As for caricatures, etc...? MANY have had such things. HEY, you have CHEESE HEADS in wisconsin! Cheesehead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        GEE! But YEAH, the budget fiasco, that affects EVERYONE, is FAR more important than worrying about what some people may think about how a TINY subset of people might feel about something that is basically TRADITION!

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        • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
          Warriors is fine by me. In fact my favorite sports team is the Golden State Warriors. "Warriors" isn't about one race of course, whereas Redskins obviously is. If there was a team called the St Louis White Skins and the white race was a small minority known for being "savages" according to history books, I would agree with those who said it was wrong. Pretty simple really.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Fun to Write View Post

      There was a time in this country when a majority of Americans thought slavery and Jim Crow was A-Okay too. Or, at least tolerable.

      [snipped]
      Joking aside, I do have another question for you.

      Not long ago, there was some pressure by a small group to try to force the Florida State Seminoles to change their name, their mascot, and forbid their fans from doing a sort of war chant while making a chopping motion with their arms. A leader of the Florida Seminole tribe failed to find the name, mascot (a student dressed in buckskins and headdress, carrying a lance on a horse) or the chant offensive.

      Should the school change the name and mascot, and forbid the chant, in your eyes? Or should the small protest group settle for continuing to protest?

      This is a serious question...
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    While they're busy changing names, go ahead & make it flag football.
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  • Profile picture of the author HeySal
    I've got full-blood Indian (oh...is that okay now or not?) friends that really see this crap as a very moot point.
    Things were named a LONG time ago in most cases, when people were not as integrated as they are now. Nobody thinks negatively about native americans when they hear that name unless they are just politically correct insane.

    We have a hill that is famous to rockhounds out here. It was named Nigger Rock. Then the PC crowd came in and changed it to Negro Rock - and is still referred to as that because that's what most of the present day rockhounders still know it as. You tell a NEW rockhound that Negro Rock might be a good place to go and.........they aren't going to find it on a map. It's just been changed AGAIN because someone MIGHT BE OFFENDED. It's now BLACK rock. I mean come on ........Do you think the people that missed a good trip out are more offended by the damned name of the place, or the fact that the PC idiots got to map makers so nobody could FIND the place?

    Note to Rockhounds: Watch out - they're aiming for Squaw Creek now so if you can't find THAT one, I don't know what to tell you because I have no clue what they will decide is "Politically damned correct".

    If we worried more about how we treated people than what we refer to them as, we'd have a lot less of this crap bogging us down. I can't think of anyone who would care if the term came with respectful treatment. You can change the word forever - if it's got a crap attitude attached to it, it's not gonna do a damned thing.
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    • Profile picture of the author TimPhelan
      Originally Posted by HeySal View Post


      We have a hill that is famous to rockhounds out here. It was named Nigger Rock. Then the PC crowd came in and changed it to Negro Rock - and is still referred to as that because that's what most of the present day rockhounders still know it as. You tell a NEW rockhound that Negro Rock might be a good place to go and.........they aren't going to find it on a map. It's just been changed AGAIN because someone MIGHT BE OFFENDED. It's now BLACK rock. I mean come on .......


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      Come on what? What are you saying Sal? Nigger Rock is ok with you? If you don't understand the history of this country you are pretty much like that rock.
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  • Profile picture of the author rondo
    Nestle sell Redskin candy here in Australia, and have done so for decades.
    I'm guessing they don't sell this in Nth America??


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