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11 years ago

My take is that Obama is simply doing what any president and de facto party leader would do - trying to deflect attention away from a subject that's turning the whole country from red and blue to a nice shade of purple - the government shutdown.

Various publicity seeking groups have taken so many shots at supposedly offensive names that even late night comics make fun of them.

Wait, maybe I can grab some headlines for my business by calling for Notre Dame to change their name from the "Fighting Irish" because it's an offensive stereotype...

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Kurt

11 years ago

In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

...that settles that.

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Tim3

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

...that settles that.

We need more people like you in politics Kurt

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Will Edwards

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

...that settles that.

There is a similar issue right now in the UK. Fans of Tottenham Hotspur, who have often referred to themselves as the 'Yid Army' have been warned that they will face legal action if they use what is being referred to as the 'Y word' in today's game against West Ham.

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Martin Avis

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

There is a similar issue right now in the UK. Fans of Tottenham Hotspur, who have often referred to themselves as the 'Yid Army' have been warned that they will face legal action if they use what is being referred to as the 'Y word' in today's game against West Ham.

Will

It should be added that Tottenham Hotspur supporters are largely Jewish and adopted the name 'Yid Army' as a way to defuse anti-Semitic heckling from rival teams in the 1890s and early 1900s. While the term can clearly be offensive when used as an insult, in this instance it quite the opposite.

The Football Association's clumsy attempt to ban the term seems likely to cause more upset to the thousands who see it as a badge of pride than the few who have expressed a grievance.

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

In support of Native Amercians, as well as a tribute to our Jewish friends, from here on I will refer to the Washington Redskins as the Washington Foreskins.

...that settles that.

Good thinking Kurt, for if the foreskins of the Jewish were circumcised, then they would become the red skins. :p

Personally, I find all of this political correctness completely annoying. You can't please all of the people all of the time. For instance, I am of Native American decent. Wait a minute!

Some of my ancestors are Indians, dang it!

I can't tell you how annoyed I was when my children started school and told me that they got chastised for calling sitting with knees bent and legs crossed sitting Indian Style, because it was offensive to Native Americans. They had to call it sitting "Crisscross Applesauce!" What the heck?

Our ancestors sat that way while having important pow-wows and tribal and cross tribal meetings while smoking peace pipes! It is a part of our history. Why does the government want to eliminate that reference? Are they trying to bury what they did to the Redskins and sweep it under the rug like they have so many other events of our nation's history? I find that offensive!

Okay, I'm not really going to raise a stink about this and expect the government to be shut down until this issue is solved.

I just wanted to show you how ludicrous I think political correctness is and how not everyone agrees with it. I'm sure some Indians, er, some Native Americans may be offended by the term Redskins. As I said, you just cannot please all of the people all of the time.

Honestly, I would like to see the president handle much more pressing issues than to change a football team's handle/mascot. :rolleyes:

Terra

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

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Why does the government want to eliminate that reference? Are they trying to bury what they did to the Redskins and sweep it under the rug like they have so many other events of our nation's history? I find that offensive!

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Honestly, I would like to see the president handle much more pressing issues than to change a football team's handle/mascot. :rolleyes:

Terra

Terra et al ... the President was interviewed by AP and he said, in response to a question, "If I owned the Washington Redskins, I would think about changing their name as Redskin is offensive to many."

That hardly constitutes the government or the President in any fashion getting involved in what sports teams call themselves.

Aside from that, I hardly think it would be difficult to come up with sports teams names that didn't involve racial or ethnic slurs.

President Barack Obama says he would "think about changing" the Washington Redskins' name if he owned the football team as he waded into the controversy involving a word many consider offensive to Native Americans.

Obama, in an interview with The Associated Press, said team names such as the Redskins offend "a sizable group of people." He said that while fans get attached to the names, nostalgia may not be a good enough reason to keep them in place.

"I don't know whether our attachment to a particular name should override the real legitimate concerns that people have about these things," he said in the interview, which was conducted Friday at the White House.

An avid sports fan who roots for his hometown Chicago Bears, Obama said he doesn't think Washington football fans are purposely trying to offend American Indians.

"I don't want to detract from the wonderful Redskins fans that are here. They love their team and rightly so," he said.

President Obama on Washington Redskins -- 'Legitimate concerns' - ESPN

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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Terra et al ... the President was interviewed by AP and he said, in response to a question, "If I owned the Washington Redskins, I would think about changing their name as Redskin is offensive to many."

That hardly constitutes the government or the President in any fashion getting involved in what sports teams call themselves.

Aside from that, I hardly think it would be difficult to come up with sports teams names that didn't involve racial or ethnic slurs.

LOL Suzanne!

I was attempting to be humorously facetious.

I guess I failed.

By the way, half of me is Paleface too.

Terra

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sbucciarel Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by MissTerraK

LOL Suzanne!

I was attempting to be humorously facetious.

I guess I failed.

By the way, half of me is Paleface too.

Terra

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  Well, now you've gone and done it. Offended all caucasians
  
  Whoops! Haha! I'm on a roll aren't I?
  
  Okay, I'll just shut up now. :p
  
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An Al 11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

That hardly constitutes the government or the President in any fashion getting involved in what sports teams call themselves.

That question wasn't just pulled out of thin air for no reason. He was asked that question specifically because that is the end goal. There is even legislation being proposed by a moron in congress to address the issue.
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Dan67

11 years ago

Unbelievable.

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WillR

11 years ago

My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

Quite seriously the other day when the shutdown was mentioned on the news here in Australia, everyone I was sitting with looked at each other as if to say, what the hell are they talking about. What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

Some weird stuff happening over there.

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Meharis 11 years ago

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If things keep going the way they are... The last one to leave, please, turn off the light...

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KateD

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

I think throwing a blanket statement like that is a bit premature. Yes, the U.S. government has shut down, but that wasn't the doing of its citizens. The last poll I saw said that 85% of Americans never wanted the government to shut down.

That being said, it IS embarrassing. I love my country but jesus, some of the bickering and ineffectiveness of the US government just doesn't make sense.

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WillR

11 years ago

Originally Posted by KateD

I think throwing a blanket statement like that is a bit premature. Yes, the U.S. government has shut down, but that wasn't the doing of its citizens. The last poll I saw said that 85% of Americans never wanted the government to shut down.

That being said, it IS embarrassing. I love my country but jesus, some of the bickering and ineffectiveness of the US government just doesn't make sense.

KateD

I meant the country is bonkers meaning the government, obviously I don't mean everyone is bonkers as that would be a generalization. But yes, there are people lighting themselves on fire, driving through government barricades, driving cars over motorcyclists, massacring people... everyday there is something crazy going on over there it seems. Just telling it how I am seeing it. Crazy world we live in today. Problems everywhere... we just seem to hear about the problems in the US more so than anywhere else.

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rondo 11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

Good question. In other western countries failure to fund a budget forces a new election.

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goindeep

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

Quite seriously the other day when the shutdown was mentioned on the news here in Australia, everyone I was sitting with looked at each other as if to say, what the hell are they talking about. What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

Some weird stuff happening over there.

They could say that about us too, our leaders knifed each other twice to get the head job which meant our prime minister changed twice away and then back to the former, we had our first female PM due to this and then we recently got sick of both of them and ended up voting for a budgie smuggling buffoon.

In terms of names, trademarks etc... ahh it's all a load of wank in my opinion.

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CJLBW

11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

What country shuts down like that.

Who? Uh, Australia... circa 1975???

So sayeth washingtonpost dot com:
Australia had a government shutdown once. In the end, the queen fired everyone in Parliament.

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rondo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by CJLBW

Who? Uh, Australia... circa 1975???

So sayeth washingtonpost dot com:
Australia had a government shutdown once. In the end, the queen fired everyone in Parliament.

That silly article has it backwards. An election like that is not a shutdown, it occurs precisely to prevent a government shutdown.

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11 years ago

Originally Posted by WillR

My honest take on it is that the US is currently bonkers.

I can't believe some of the news coming out of the US lately.

Quite seriously the other day when the shutdown was mentioned on the news here in Australia, everyone I was sitting with looked at each other as if to say, what the hell are they talking about. What country shuts down like that. We didn't even know it was possible.

Some weird stuff happening over there.

The US has been running on a PROMISE for 100 years!!!!!! It's official birthdate was December 22, 1913 !!!!!!!! so the 100th birthday will be 12/22/2013!!!!!! Prior to that, there was FAR more backing it. IRONIC! But WHAT happens if the promise is broken?

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rondo

11 years ago

Originally Posted by kindsvater

There is a story in the news about Obama suggesting the Washington Redskins football team change its name to avoid offending native Americans.

Are they claiming to be offended?

Edit: Ok I just learned it is often considered an offensive term - I didn't know that.

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excell99

11 years ago

Come on Obama you have got to have better things to do then try and get a football name changed...

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11 years ago

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shane_k

11 years ago

As a Native American myself I want to thank John and Kurt for turning this into a joke, I really appreciate it!

@Kindsvater I actually do want to thank you for bringing this up because it is an important lesson, especially considering most of us are going to have customers from all around the world.

So when choosing a business name it is a good idea to consider how it might look to other cultures or what the translation might be in different languages.

I have hear stories about different US companies that have had to either change their brand name in another country or their jingle/mantra (can't remember the word) because their brand name when translated was actually a bad word, or turned off the customers in some way, or was the name of a private part, even a tropical disease.

On a final note just because you don't think it is offensive doesn't mean it is not offensive to someone else.

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shane_k

As a Native American myself I want to thank John and Kurt for turning this into a joke, I really appreciate it!

@Kindsvater I actually do want to thank you for bringing this up because it is an important lesson, especially considering most of us are going to have customers from all around the world.

So when choosing a business name it is a good idea to consider how it might look to other cultures or what the translation might be in different languages.

I have hear stories about different US companies that have had to either change their brand name in another country or their jingle/mantra (can't remember the word) because their brand name when translated was actually a bad word, or turned off the customers in some way, or was the name of a private part, even a tropical disease.

On a final note just because you don't think it is offensive doesn't mean it is not offensive to someone else.

Shane, no offense intended, but people are getting so sensitized that one could hardly say anything without offending somebody. Hence, my quip about the Notre Dame team name (McCabe is an Irish name).

As for companies having to make changes for cultural reasons, here are a few for you...

When Chevrolet tried to market its Nova model in Mexico, sales were very disappointing. Finally, someone realized that "no va" is Spanish for "no go."

I don't remember the company name, but a large company attempted to market baby formula in China. In many western countries, white is the color of purity. In China, it's the color of death. In China, at least at the time, there were a lot of illiterate people who relied on label colors and pictures to select products. They saw the picture of the baby on a white carton as "baby poison".

I think that if enough people cared about a team name that it affected ticket sales, the name would get changed. The University of North Dakota changed the team name from "Fighting Sioux" because enough people cared about it.

Culture wars aside, I stand by my original position. Obama made the comments he did, at the time he did, because he and Congress finally managed to get the majority in this country to agree on something. Unfortunately, that agreement is that he and Congress are screwing up big time.

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Kurt

11 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Shane, no offense intended, but people are getting so sensitized that one could hardly say anything without offending somebody. Hence, my quip about the Notre Dame team name (McCabe is an Irish name).

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Sorry John, but I strongly disagree with a few points in your posts.

Naming a team "Redskins" isn't similar at all to calling a team the "Fighting Irish". A more accurate comparision would be calling Notre Dame "The Fighting Micks" or "The Fighting Crackers". There's also a difference between calling a team the "Braves", "Chiefs", "Indians" vs. "Redskins".

Plus, who are a bunch of old white men to tell Native Americans what they should be offended about? If it offends them, that's all that should matter.

Also, Obama's comments aren't a red herring. Sports writer Peter King, one of the most respected sports writers in America, said about a month ago he would stop using the word "Redskins". A couple of other prominent sportswriters have since followed King's lead. This has been a fairly major story in the sports world.

This was a trend that started well before the shutdown, unless you are accusing Peter King of being part of a political conspiracy anticipating something that's beyond his control. And, since Obama is known as a big American sports fan, he was asked his feelings about the issue. He isn't doing anything political, only speaking his opinion to a direct question.

"Hail to the Foreskins!"

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Sorry John, but I strongly disagree with a few points in your posts.

Naming a team "Redskins" isn't similar at all to calling a team the "Fighting Irish". A more accurate comparision would be calling Notre Dame "The Fighting Micks" or "The Fighting Crackers". There's also a difference between calling a team the "Braves", "Chiefs", "Indians" vs. "Redskins".

I get what you are saying, but I also watched UND forced to change their name from "Fighting Sioux" to something more politically correct.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Plus, who are a bunch of old white men to tell Native Americans what they should be offended about? If it offends them, that's all that should matter.

I'm not denying anyone's right to be offended by anything, nor their right to complain or try to get things changed. I simply don't agree that a "bunch of old white men" should automatically make changes because some other group is offended.

I also recall some groups calling for the University of Hawaii to change the team name away from "Rainbow Warriors" because it might offend both gay and anti-gay groups. Strange, since I found Hawaii to be one of the most gay-tolerant states I've ever visited.

Originally Posted by Kurt

Also, Obama's comments aren't a red herring. Sports writer Peter King, one of the most respected sports writers in America, said about a month ago he would stop using the word "Redskins". A couple of other prominent sportswriters have since followed King's lead. This has been a fairly major story in the sports world.

As much as I respect King as a writer, he still has to ply his craft in a medium that has fired and basically blackballed people for using the wrong word. If he decided not to use the expression on ethical grounds, I'm cool with that.

Originally Posted by Kurt

This was a trend that started well before the shutdown, unless you are accusing Peter King of being part of a political conspiracy anticipating something that's beyond his control. And, since Obama is known as a big American sports fan, he was asked his feelings about the issue. He isn't doing anything political, only speaking his opinion to a direct question.

"Hail to the Foreskins!"

Then maybe the timing really is just coincidental. Fair enough...

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An Al 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Kurt

Plus, who are a bunch of old white men to tell Native Americans what they should be offended about? If it offends them, that's all that should matter.
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Last I checked, old white men have as much right to their opinion as so-called native americans have, or anyone else for that matter. Funny you said that though since it IS a bunch of old white men who came up with this nonsense and who are telling them they should be offended, lol.
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An Al

11 years ago

Originally Posted by shane_k

On a final note just because you don't think it is offensive doesn't mean it is not offensive to someone else.

Which applies to virtually every aspect of life in every corner of the entire planet.

Aside from that, I hardly think it would be difficult to come up with sports teams names that didn't involve racial or ethnic slurs.

Until someone decides that the name you're using is a racist/ethic slur, even if it isn't, which is what is happening in the case of the Washington Redskins.

Meanwhile, I don't think Obama would have to worry about the team name if he were the owner. They'd likely be out of business, lol.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by An Al

Until someone decides that the name you're using is a racist/ethic slur, even if it isn't, which is what is happening in the case of the Washington Redskins.

Right ... I wonder if Bears are going to get all offended by having a sports team named after them. There are so many words that are neither racial or ethnic slurs without using ones that obviously are.

Redskin (slang)
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"Redskin" is a racial descriptor for Native Americans, the origins of which are disputed. Although by some accounts not originally having negative intent,[1] the term is now defined by dictionaries of American English as "usually offensive",[2] "disparaging",[3][4] "insulting",[5] "taboo" [6] and is avoided in public usage with the exception of its continued use as a name for sports teams.

Originally Posted by An Al

That question wasn't just pulled out of thin air for no reason. He was asked that question specifically because that is the end goal. There is even legislation being proposed by a moron in congress to address the issue.

Well, morons in Congress are not the President.

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11 years ago

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Beatinest

11 years ago

With all of the horrible things going on in the world, it's a good thing people are offended by the name of a football team instead of lets say...human trafficking, starvation, a dwindling water supply and so on.

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KenThompson

11 years ago

I'm half redskin, no kidding. I am not offended by the name of a sports team. I choose not to be offended. It's a decision of what to do with my power; give it away or keep it.

And while we're on the subject, I never had a problem with being called an indian. Native American has too many syllables.

Call me Indigenous Man.

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clever7

11 years ago

Yes, I agree that the Warrior Forum should change its name. Warriors are aggressive people. In the beginning I didn't like the idea to be a Warrior, but I simply accepted it.

I don't like ‘Golden Eagles’ either. I prefer an intellectual name.

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Martin Avis

11 years ago

In 13 years of writing my newsletter I have twice been accused of being racist.

The first was when I wrote a negative review of a product and commented on its flaws by writing this:

"The salespage makes it look like the answer to everything but when you look deeper you find the chinks in its armor."

Apparently I offended billions of Chinese people with that, and lost a subscriber, even though the common expression has no racial content whatsoever.

The second time I wrote that I had been to Starbucks and asked the server for a tall black Americano.

A highly affronted reader wrote to chastise me for my racist attitude and warned me that I could be arrested for specifying who served me in that way.

When I politely pointed out that a tall black Americano is what Starbucks call the drink and that my only concern with the serving staff at Starbucks was the sheer number of them required to pour a simple cup of coffee she did at least have the grace to apologize.

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G minus 11 years ago

I came up with a very simple solution to this earlier. Why change the name of the team when you can just change the mascot? That's right.
Just remove the pictures of Indians (Native Americans) from the helmets, middle of the field & wherever else they may be & replace with pictures of potatoes (red skinned of course) voila! Problem solved.
They could have potato boy running around the field throwing (free) french fries up into the bleachers & everyone would be happy. Right?
Although some potato farmers in Idaho may get ticked off for some unforeseen reason, oh well.
We should all know as marketers that it's impossible to please everyone all the time anyway. Right?
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Will Edwards

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Martin Avis

The first was when I wrote a negative review of a product and commented on its flaws by writing this:

"The salespage makes it look like the answer to everything but when you look deeper you find the chinks in its armor."

Ha ha!

The second time I wrote that I had been to Starbucks and asked the server for a tall black Americano.

A highly affronted reader wrote to chastise me for my racist attitude and warned me that I could be arrested for specifying who served me in that way.

You're making it up right?

Thanks for giving me a good laugh!

Will

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Martin Avis 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Will Edwards

Ha ha!

You're making it up right?

Thanks for giving me a good laugh!

Will

Nope. All true. They really are out there!
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  Nope. All true. They really are out there!
  
  Amazing!
  
  I have a friend who runs a comedy club here in the UK. He has red hair and he once told me that 'gingerism' has become the last politically acceptable sterotype.
  
  On that basis ...
  
  If a red-headed guy works at a bakery, does that make him a ginger bread man?
  
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daavidz

11 years ago

G minus that is just brilliant. Free fries, omg. Imagine that.

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G minus 11 years ago

On the french fry package there could even be a pull off tab with an OTO on it (only valid till the end of halftime of course) for a 1/2 priced heart clogging double cheeseburger & jumbo watered down light beer combo. Kabooom! The rest is history!
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daavidz

11 years ago

You simply cant forget a 10% coupon for medical bills.

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G minus 11 years ago

Nah! Obamacare should cover that (supposedly) who knows?
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KenThompson

11 years ago

A flip side to this is realizing the original intent behind these names which was associating a team with positive qualities. Warriors and redskins point to the exceptional fighting spirit found in Native Americans. Formidable and fierce opponents which they were.

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by KenThompson

A flip side to this is realizing the original intent behind these names which was associating a team with positive qualities. Warriors and redskins point to the exceptional fighting spirit found in Native Americans. Formidable and fierce opponents which they were.

Ken

This is all true. I actually think it's silly to be offended a sports team brand, but then I'm not enough Native American to really be offended by it.

I know that Paula Dean probably wishes to God that she didn't use a certain word.

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Fun to Write

11 years ago

This is an issue that is close to my heart because I have Native American ancestry and know Native people.

Frankly, comparing the Warrior Forum name to Redskins is like apples and oranges - not relevant.

The word "warrior" does not demean any particular group. Therefore, this name is not an issue.

Redskin or Redskins, however, is laced with a long history of demeaning attitudes and name calling of a certain group of people. It's not about what non-native people feel. Of course, you don't feel offended, because the offensive language isn't directed at your culture.

It requires sensitivity to other people's feelings to really get why the word Redskin is offensive. I'm not going to spend time explaining why Native Americans don't like this name.

Just think of a really offensive word that makes you feel degraded personally. Now turn that word into the name of a popular sports team.

Personally, I want the name Redskins eliminated from the NFL permanently. It has no place in professional sports in this day and age. I'd be just as offended if a team were named the Black Sambos. Why is there no team with this name?

How about this? Let's rename the Redskins the Washington White Jerks.

Publicly degrading Native Americans like this is not acceptable to me and lots of others. Eventually, this offensive NFL team name is going to end up on the dirt pile of history. Count on it.

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JohnMcCabe

11 years ago

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Right ... I wonder if Bears are going to get all offended by having a sports team named after them. There are so many words that are neither racial or ethnic slurs without using ones that obviously are.

Isn't "bear" a slang term for large, hairy gay men? That might explain all the butt slapping...

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

This is all true. I actually think it's silly to be offended a sports team brand, but then I'm not enough Native American to really be offended by it.

I know that Paula Dean probably wishes to God that she didn't use a certain word.

That word that must not be spoken started out as a mispronunciation of the then-correct word, Negro. Even before uttering it in public became career suicide, it was associated with ignorance in many circles.

Don't recall the name, but an elderly black gentleman was asked why he didn't use the term African-American. He said something to the effect of "when I was a little kid, I was called [that word], As a teen, I was a Negro. Then I was colored, then black. Now I'm supposed to be 'African-American'? I was born in Detroit and I've never been to Africa. I'm satisfied to be a black man who is an American."

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sbucciarel

Banned 11 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Isn't "bear" a slang term for large, hairy gay men? That might explain all the butt slapping...

OMG ... who'd a thunk it?

In gay culture, a Bear is a large, hairy man who projects an image of rugged masculinity. As a rising subculture in the gay and bisexual male communities, Bears are one of many LGBT communities with events, codes, and a culture-specific identity.
Bear (gay culture) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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MissTerraK 11 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe

Isn't "bear" a slang term for large, hairy gay men? That might explain all the butt slapping...

Hahaha!

Dang it, John!

You made me spit out my V-8 and it was the last of it. :p

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JohnMcCabe 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Fun to Write

How about this? Let's rename the Redskins the Washington White Jerks.

"Washington Rednecks" would fit better on the jerseys, and they wouldn't even have to change team colors...
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MissTerraK

11 years ago

Originally Posted by Fun to Write

This is an issue that is close to my heart because I have Native American ancestry and know Native people.

Frankly, comparing the Warrior Forum name to Redskins is like apples and oranges - not relevant.

The word "warrior" does not demean any particular group. Therefore, this name is not an issue.

Redskin or Redskins, however, is laced with a long history of demeaning attitudes and name calling of a certain group of people. It's not about what non-native people feel. Of course, you don't feel offended, because the offensive language isn't directed at your culture.

It requires sensitivity to other people's feelings to really get why the word Redskin is offensive. I'm not going to spend time explaining why Native Americans don't like this name.

Just think of a really offensive word that makes you feel degraded personally. Now turn that word into the name of a popular sports team.

Personally, I want the name Redskins eliminated from the NFL permanently. It has no place in professional sports in this day and age. I'd be just as offended if a team were named the Black Sambos. Why is there no team with this name?

How about this? Let's rename the Redskins the Washington White Jerks.

Publicly degrading Native Americans like this is not acceptable to me and lots of others. Eventually, this offensive NFL team name is going to end up on the dirt pile of history. Count on it.

I find your post very interesting. I too am of American Indian lineage and don't find that name offensive at all. My family doesn't and our Indian friends don't either. We're proud of our heritage, it helps define who we are as as individuals in knowing where we came from and where we are today.

Redskin to me is just defining skin color and is no different than calling the other half of my lineage white. We are white, well peachy in color actually and we are redskins, well of a darker complexion anyway.

I suppose if I liked getting my panties all up in a bunch over it, I could. I just find that there are more important issues going on to expend my energy on.

I once had someone ask me if I got upset when American Indians were referred to as savages. I said not really, because some tribes were. Early ancestors of my tribe considered warfare a defiling activity, and warriors required undergoing purification rites by the priests before they could reintegrate into normal village life if they had been forced into warfare. So I would have every right to be offended if I so chose.

Perhaps it lies within the mindset and attitude of individuals? That's what I think anyway. For whatever it's worth, lol.

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RogueOne

11 years ago

I'm half redskin, no kidding. I am not offended by the name of a sports team.

Polls show 80% of Native Americans have no objection to the name.

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Fun to Write

11 years ago

There was a time in this country when a majority of Americans thought slavery and Jim Crow was A-Okay too. Or, at least tolerable.

Native Americans have faced ongoing racial discrimination that most people don't even know about - blindly oblivious as they say.

Redskin is a racial slur. The origin of the word is based on genocide of American Indians. Kill an Indian and scalp them. The blood on the scalp was referred to as redskin.

Not surprised that many Native Americans accept this slur. Racial psychology is complex in this country. As a black female I'm quite familiar with how people people of color view certain controversial words.

So, stating that a majority of Native Americans aren't bothered in some poll doesn't sway my opinion. The truth is that Native American groups have been trying to get rid of these offensive sports team names for decades. They have had lots of success at the high school and college level.

Public acceptance doesn't change the fact that some rich white guy is making lots of money perpetuating this slur. By the way, the team owner had the nerve to get upset with the negative way he thought his Jewish ancestry was being portrayed by a graphic image that accompanied that article - the same article about his racially offensive team name. PLEASE...clueless.

I read that the original team owner that chose this name, after several name changes, was openly racist. It was okay back in his era.

There are black people that think the word n...r should never be used again. Others use it regularly as a means to have power over it and wipe out its derogatory meaning. There is no consensus on this, which confuses whites and others that try using it.

Heads up: It's not cool for white folks to use that term no matter how many black friends you have.

Still, you're not going to find one NFL team owner naming a team after a racial slur in this day and age. This name is a leftover from another time - it too shall pass.

NFL owners may be able to get away with it for a while longer, but eventually, the tide of public opinion will turn against them.

Ignorance about how hurtful this name is to a good number of people contributes to apathy. Again, I state my utter contempt for this racial slur. I think it's SHAMEFUL that a major NFL sports team in 2013, located in our nation's capitol, uses this slur for entertainment and profit.

This is not a way to "honor" the heritage of Native Americans.

I refuse to say the name of this team or contribute to its glorification. There are sports fans and sports writers that feel strongly about this as well. President Obama is in good company on this issue.

So, go ahead and make light of it - some of you here are having a blast making jokes. Just know that WORDS have consequences. Next time someone calls you or someone you love a bad name - think about how that makes you feel.

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Kay King 11 years ago

Redskin is a racial slur.

Who couldn't see that one coming? Little problem with the PC statement is the Indian nations don't have a problem with the name.

A few politically correct people do - and the non-Indian President does - and those who can see racism in an ink blot do....but the people supposedly being "dissed" don't have a problem with the name!!!

If the mascot is a problem - get a more dignified mascot. If that's the biggest problem we have - shouldn't we be in better shape?

Why don't we just name EVERYTHING with the alphabet and colors - we could have the green A team, and the Purple Q team. Until the alphabet hired a lawyer, it would work fine.

WillR -

I'm with you on how this looks to the rest of the world. It's even stranger than it seems. This country has not passed a BUDGET since 2009. Instead we've passed a series of continuing resolutions with no budget, kept spending and raised the debt ceiling again and again. Don't try that at home - you'd end up homeless.
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  Yeah, the people on those teams HOPE they can be the best. If they are, WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? The people doing these "offending" things hope the team can be its best.
  
  As for caricatures, etc...? MANY have had such things. HEY, you have CHEESE HEADS in wisconsin! Cheesehead - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  
  GEE! But YEAH, the budget fiasco, that affects EVERYONE, is FAR more important than worrying about what some people may think about how a TINY subset of people might feel about something that is basically TRADITION!
  
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  Warriors is fine by me. In fact my favorite sports team is the Golden State Warriors. "Warriors" isn't about one race of course, whereas Redskins obviously is. If there was a team called the St Louis White Skins and the white race was a small minority known for being "savages" according to history books, I would agree with those who said it was wrong. Pretty simple really.
  
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JohnMcCabe 11 years ago

Originally Posted by Fun to Write

There was a time in this country when a majority of Americans thought slavery and Jim Crow was A-Okay too. Or, at least tolerable.

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Joking aside, I do have another question for you.

Not long ago, there was some pressure by a small group to try to force the Florida State Seminoles to change their name, their mascot, and forbid their fans from doing a sort of war chant while making a chopping motion with their arms. A leader of the Florida Seminole tribe failed to find the name, mascot (a student dressed in buckskins and headdress, carrying a lance on a horse) or the chant offensive.

Should the school change the name and mascot, and forbid the chant, in your eyes? Or should the small protest group settle for continuing to protest?

This is a serious question...
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Banned 11 years ago

While they're busy changing names, go ahead & make it flag football.

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HeySal

11 years ago

I've got full-blood Indian (oh...is that okay now or not?) friends that really see this crap as a very moot point.
Things were named a LONG time ago in most cases, when people were not as integrated as they are now. Nobody thinks negatively about native americans when they hear that name unless they are just politically correct insane.

We have a hill that is famous to rockhounds out here. It was named Nigger Rock. Then the PC crowd came in and changed it to Negro Rock - and is still referred to as that because that's what most of the present day rockhounders still know it as. You tell a NEW rockhound that Negro Rock might be a good place to go and.........they aren't going to find it on a map. It's just been changed AGAIN because someone MIGHT BE OFFENDED. It's now BLACK rock. I mean come on ........Do you think the people that missed a good trip out are more offended by the damned name of the place, or the fact that the PC idiots got to map makers so nobody could FIND the place?

Note to Rockhounds: Watch out - they're aiming for Squaw Creek now so if you can't find THAT one, I don't know what to tell you because I have no clue what they will decide is "Politically damned correct".

If we worried more about how we treated people than what we refer to them as, we'd have a lot less of this crap bogging us down. I can't think of anyone who would care if the term came with respectful treatment. You can change the word forever - if it's got a crap attitude attached to it, it's not gonna do a damned thing.
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TimPhelan

11 years ago

Originally Posted by HeySal

We have a hill that is famous to rockhounds out here. It was named Nigger Rock. Then the PC crowd came in and changed it to Negro Rock - and is still referred to as that because that's what most of the present day rockhounders still know it as. You tell a NEW rockhound that Negro Rock might be a good place to go and.........they aren't going to find it on a map. It's just been changed AGAIN because someone MIGHT BE OFFENDED. It's now BLACK rock. I mean come on .......

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Come on what? What are you saying Sal? Nigger Rock is ok with you? If you don't understand the history of this country you are pretty much like that rock.