Web Design for Local Biz Helped Me Build A Multi-Million Dollar Property Portfolio

by urmilp
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Hey warriors,

If you're new to offline IM consulting or you've been providing services to local businesses for a while, then please take the time to read this. You
owe it to yourself and you'll discover opportunities you may never have considered before.

How offering Web Design Services to Local Businesses helped me build a multi-million dollar property portfolio and took me from being broke and in debt to cash rich in just 9 months.

Hey guys and girls, Urmil again and this is a another one of my long-ass threads however I guarantee you wont be disappointed.

If you've been working hard in your business, trying to stay on top of the day to day work, learning all the new things going on in the IM industry and working towards getting new clients then you've probably missed what I like to call the "hidden opportunities" of just being in offline consulting niche.

There are lots of other threads about the many different methods you can use to find clients and the many different services you can provide to them once you have them...

BUT what about the massive opportunities that reveal themselves to you and could potentially change your financial future (like mine has), just because you've positioned yourself as the local internet marketing "go to guy" or "go to girl" and are providing your internet marketing skills and web design services to local business owners.

Just think about it, what other opportunities could present themselves to you if you were contacting local business owners offering to help them market their businesses.

If you have no idea about what potential "hidden opportunities" there
could be, then I am very glad you are reading this thread, because by the end of it you too will hopefully become more aware of opportunities you may currently be overlooking that could change your financial situation.


Well Firstly, Why I'm Writing This Post!!
After receiving such good feedback and comments about how my last thread has helped many people get going in this business, I decided that i'd share another episode of my life in IM offline consulting and how simply by being in this industry...

...I was able to go from over $150,000 in debt to over $225,000 in hard
cash in my bank, plus a monthly income of $4500 per month within 9 months and that doesn't even include the money I was charging my local business clients. (and no I didn't win the lottery...)

My main motivation for writing this thread is to help others and to describe an opportunity that fell into my lap simply because I was providing web design services. Many of you may have experienced similar opportunities or maybe you missed them.

Now even if only one person benefits from this thread then the time i'm taking to write this will be worth it. And if you are that one person, please be kind enough and share your appreciation by leaving your comments and clicking the thanks button.


Ok let's get to it.


A few years back (November 2006) I was running a web design and marketing company and the main service I was providing was web design (not even wordpress... can you believe that and basic marketing and audio and video services.

When I mean basic, I mean very very basic (no animoto, no audacity, no broadband either - well everyone has to start somewhere right? )

I'd just taken on a friend to work for me, Kyle, who knew absolutely nothing about web design, but he was prepared to work for free until he picked it up.

That was great for me cause free was all i could afford to pay him back then and I really needed someone to help me contact local business owners and build websites (of course nowadays its all about outsourcing, but back then there wasn't 100's of WSOs about it and even now I believe its worth doing it yourself first so you have a benchmark to measure outsourcers against...)

Well Kyle was a fast learner and I'd taught him how to design websites from scratch in under a week. (Personally I think anyone can, if they really want to bad enough...)

So now the goal was to get lots of clients, so I could afford to pay him
something. My main source of new customers was from local flyer/postcard marketing, telemarketing, editorials in the local newspaper and running special offer promotions (you know discounts and giving your services and time away for next to no money just to build some awareness...we've all done it.)

It was November 2006 and business was a bit slow, so I thought I'd run a promotion to create some buzz.

So Kyle and I came up with the idea of building template based 3 page websites for local business for FREE for the next 30 days, and only charge $150 for a domain name and hosting for the year. (we thought it was a pretty good deal..) and we'd make our money from the web hosting fees.

We contacted the local press, who came down and took photos of us, wrote up a great editorial about how we were helping local business owners and mentioned our website in the local paper.

We thought surely, this promotion would peak the interest of the local business owners and we'd be rushed off our feet and get at least 100 new clients, especially cause they had very little to lose.


BOY WERE WE WRONG!


We only had 26 new clients over the 30 days. Thats $3900 and we had to build 26 3-page websites. I learnt a massive lesson from this
experience.


LESSON 1: Giving something away for FREE doesn't necessary mean people will fall over themselves to take you up on it! You have to still sell them on the idea of how they will benefit from your offer, even though its free!

During the month of that promotion I was reading the editorial written about us when I saw an advert for a local business networking meeting and thought that it would probably be a good place to attend and I could get our offer in front of local business owners (our target market).

I called the organiser immediately and booked Kyle and myself onto the next meeting.

Now this business networking meeting was a breakfast meeting and the local business owners met at 6am. I'm not an early riser and neithers Kyle, but this was a small sacrifice to hopefully get some new clients.

Before the networking event, I had printed some white t-shirts with my company name on them and also a massive call to action on the back saying "Get Your Free Website Today... Ask me for more info"

I also printed some basic DL size flyers to hand out. These came in very handy as most people at the networking event wanted something to take away with them.


LESSON 2: Always have something available to give to business owners at networking meetings, such as business cards, flyers etc.. because many of them are in the mindset that they need something to take away with them. Its easier to print some flyers than it is to try to persuade them why you dont need flyers in your business model.

So its 6am on a Wednesday morning and Kyle and I arrive at this Hilton hotel where the BNI meeting was taking place.

As soon as we walk in, the entire room stops and look at us as if we were in the wrong place. (It's not our good looks, you see, everyone's in a business suit and we're in trousers and white t-shirts with a massive logo on the front and a call to action on the back).

The fact we were different actually worked in our favour and we spent the entire event networking and being approached about what we do and how we could help these local business owners.

We might have felt embarassed for all of 10 seconds, but we had the last laugh as everyone wanted to talk to us because we were different than the other business owners.

I met this gentlemen at the meeting who was a film producer and he was in the process of releasing a budget film (not mainstream).

The first thought that went through my mind was, I wonder if I can get a small part (come on we all want to be in a movie... but no such luck, however he didn't like his existing website that had been created for the film.

So we exchanged numbers and arranged to meet later that afternoon.


LESSON 3: Networking meetings are not about trying to sell your services there and then, they are about meeting new prospects, making them aware of you and what you do and most importantly leaving a great impression that would make them feel they'd benefit from working with you rather than any other web designer/marketer.

Let's fast forward to that meeting between the film producer and myself. He showed me the website he currently had.

It was flash based (now we all know that flash based sites are a BIG no no especially for SEO), so the first thing I suggested was we'd need to change that into html. I explained that the free 3 page template site promotion wouldn't work for what he wanted and i'd have to charge him.

I showed him some of the other sites I'd created and their rankings in the search engines and by the end of that meeting the client was happy to hand over a cheque for $1500 to re-design his website.

One of my golden rules has always been to ask for referrals when the client is most excited about my services and working with me, so just as he hands me the cheque, I asked him if he knew anyone else that was looking to get a website or would be interested in the free website promotion we were doing.


LESSON 4: If you are not asking your new clients for referrals, you will find yourself working very hard constantly looking for new clients. So do yourself a favour and ask the very next client you get if he or she knows anyone that doesn't have a website or is looking to have a website created for their business, you'll be glad you did.

Well my film producer client did know someone who wanted a website, his brother who ran a property business about 120 miles away. Normally I try to stick to my local area, but this was a referral and therefore in my opinion a warm lead.

And also my business wasn't booming back then, so if I had to drive 120 miles to meet the client, well thats what i did. I arranged an appointment and drove up to see this client in December 2006.


THE HIDDEN OPPORTUNITY REVEALS ITSELF
My first thoughts when I was told that this client was in the property business was that he runs a real estate agency (estate agency), boy was I wrong.

He actually provided a service to people who needed to sell their property fast because they are facing foreclosure / repossession and the banks are about to foreclose (repossession) on them. And he'll buy their property for CASH at a discount, sometimes a huge discount (upto 50% off).

Now I'd never purchased a property back then and no-one I knew had ever told me I could buy a property at a significant discount, so what he did really intrigued me.

I was so intrigued to find out what he did and how he did it that I negotiated a deal with him. I'd spend the day with him where he would give me a seek peak inside his business and how to buy property at a discount and in return I'd build him a lead generation website at a 50% discount.

We agreed on that arrangement. I actually ended up building him a 40 page content rich lead generation website and marketed it for just $1200 and that included writing all the content for the site as well (I know what
you're thinking, I must have been out of my freaking mind for doing it so
cheap...but hang on, later on you'll see how much I really made out of this deal)

A week before Christmas 2006 the property investor client and I decided to spend that day together and he teaches me the process of how to buy a house using none of my own money (which is good because i was in over $150k of debt), at a 30-50% discount below the markets current value and told me that the only thing that you needed to make a fortune with this system was leads (people who needed to sell their house fast for whatever reason!).

I had that skill and i remember thinking to myself, i've got the most valuable skills that this business owner and most business owners needed. The ability to get leads through the internet.

Well anyway that's why I was there, my job was to build him a website to get leads. And that's exactly what I did. I researched the other websites of this business nature online (best place to start any web design or marketing is to see whats out there), analysed their content, their website structure and their backlinks and put my all into building this client a site that would work for him.

In fact within the first week of the website going live, the client received a lead through the website and made $12,000 on a property transaction (thats 10 times what I charged him). Not a bad return on investment.


The client was happy and I was happy.


LESSON 5: When working on a new client in a niche you've never worked in, the easiest way to get up to speed is to analyse the competition. Especially those that have high search engine rankings, because the search engines obviously find these sites well optimised.

Now its January 2007 and I'm thinking "I wonder if using my internet marketing knowledge and skills, could I build myself a website, generate leads and build my own property portfolio using ZERO money of my own".

Now I have no idea where this thought came from and if I wasn't in the web design and web marketing business and if I hadn't met this client and produced some great leads for him then I provided would never have had that thought.

But the reality is I did build a website, i did generate leads for this client and i was in the web design and marketing business!


SO HERE'S WHAT I DID
I built myself a website similar to the one i'd built for the client but focused on my local area NOT his. I wouldn't want to compete with my client, after all in my opinion that would be unethical.

So I built a website to acquire leads in my local town for people who needed to sell their property quickly.

I got Kyle to design one for me as well, so I know had 2 sites both focused on generating property leads for myself in my town.

I had no idea what I was going to do with the leads, in fact i'd never even
purchased a property before so didn't really know if it would work for me.

Now there's a lot of things, as you can see, that could have stopped me but I thought I owed it to myself to try to figure some of this stuff out. After all, I had the one skill I needed and that was how to build a website and get leads.

Over the next few months my 2 lead generation property sites were generating me lots of leads but I really wasn't confident with what I said to these people looking to sell their house nor did I know about the legal process.

So I actually started selling the leads. Now the property niche is unlike any niche i'd experienced. I found investors who were paying a flat fee for a qualified property lead of upto $5000 upon completion of the deal. I found them on property forum (again online).

So I started selling leads and within weeks was making 2-4 deals per month at that rate.

I thought to myself, I must be missing a trick because why are other investor happy to pay upto $5k for a property deal, they must obviously be making even more money than that.

So whilst running my web design business, I spent many days calling solicitors (attorneys) trying to find out who could help me with actually buying these properties myself and also to help me learn the process involved.


LESSON 6: When you see these hidden opportunities, you will very rarely know everything you need to know to make the opportunity work for you. However, if you seek out the information, you can make a fortune.

These hidden opportunities start life as a concept you hear about, but it with educating yourself on the concept and its process that it can become a life changing opportunity.


To cut this long story short let me tell you what happened.


I learnt how to buy houses and on the 4th March 2007 purchased my first house at 20% below it market value and made $30k on my first property deal.

Over the next 9 months, whilst still running my web design and marketing business and using my property lead generation websites I purchased lots of other properties, all without using any of my own money. In fact upon buying each property I'd normally receive a cash lump sum back from the mortgage lender because I had purchased at such a good discount.

In those 9 months I cleared my $150k debt, ended up with a multi-million dollar property portfolio, $225k in the bank and a positive net cashflow each month of $4500, which I still have to this day. Oh yeah, and also a massive amount of equity in the portfolio.

I stopped buying property in Jan 2008 and just sold leads that I got to investor because I realised property and dealing with tenants wasn't my
passion, it was just a hidden opportunity for me that was brought to my attention because I was in the web design business and its only because of my web design and marketing skills that I was able to quickly take action on it and make a great income.

I still kept the properties that I owned as they still bring me a very lucrative income each month for very little work.

I then returned full time back to internet marketing because that is where my PASSION is and I realised that if I improved my web design skills and my web marketing skills, I'd be positioned to take advantage of lots of different hidden opportunities that present themselves.

You see I love the internet, I love marketing and I love helping people make money using internet marketing so thats why I returned my main focus on striving to build me internet and information marketing business.

It was also simple maths. One web marketing client that pays me $500 a month is the same as owning a rental property, without the hassles of a mortgage or tenants.


For me I'd rather do something I enjoy and that why internet marketing and offline consulting is right for me.


LESSON 7: If you build a business that you enjoy, its 100 times easier to make money and you'll be motivated to put in those extra hours when you first start, because you'll have the desire to succeed.


HAVE YOU FIGURES OUT WHAT "HIDDEN OPPORTUNITIES" ARE?
Now I hope you have all worked out what the "hidden opportunities" of being in the web design / web marketing to local business industry is.

THE REAL HIDDEN OPPORTUNITIES are the all the different opportunities you will be exposed to whilst providing web design and marketing skills to other clients.

There is a saying I once heard, "you don't know what you don't know".

Its so true, I didn't know anything about property nor did I really want to know about it, before I took on a web design client who was in that business who "exposed me to that opportunity".

If I had not been providing web design services, then I would never had met this client nor learnt about the property industry and perhap my life would not be as abundant as it currently is. Who knows.

One thing I do know is, that by being in this industry, by providing services to local business owners, by building relationships with local business owners, and making sure I put myself out in my community as the go-to guy for internet marketing, then I have many opportunities offered to me on a daily basis that could potential make me life changing money.

And by learning and having these web marketing skills, I have everything I need to take advantage of any of the opportunities I wish to pursue.

I hope that you are succeeding in your local consulting business and I hope that you are keeping your eyes and ears open for hidden opportunities in your area that are not directly related to just building websites or just providing web marketing services...


BECAUSE by being the go to internet marketing guy in your local town, you could also become the guy who local business owners want to JV with on their business projects, because you are the person who has the marketing skills they lack.


SO the sum this thread up...


Being a local business IM consultant can be very lucrative in itself, and you can make a huge income providing services to local business owners, but the "hidden opportunities" of local business consulting are often missed by most people because they are too busy to notice and take advantage of these opportunities.

It doesn't matter what level you are at, just keep in mind that there is a much bigger picture than just facebook marketing, or SEO or video marketing, and all the other services you could provide.

There are opportunities you wont have even dreamt of or know exist and if you pay attention as you speak with local business owners, you'll be amazed at how quickly you can become a JV partner or even take advantage of a new opportunity just like I did and make money from industries and niche you know nothing about.

I hope you have enjoyed this post and if you have any similar experiences, please comment and help others see the bigger picture as this will help overcome those days where everything seems like its going wrong.

If you've had an "ah ha" moment whilst reading this, then please share and if you are the one who this thread has inspired, benefitted or just opened up new possibilities too, then please share and I'd be grateful if you could use the thanks button to show your appreciation.

Good luck in your business and speak soon.

Urmil
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  • Profile picture of the author thomasmps
    wow that was a great story and alot of fantastic insights. I was wondering are you still generating property leads now,and hows business?
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by thomasmps View Post

      wow that was a great story and alot of fantastic insights. I was wondering are you still generating property leads now,and hows business?
      Hey,

      Thanks for your kinds words. I'm glad you enjoyed this episode of my life in IM offline consulting and property.

      I do still generate property leads and I also generate tenant buyers leads (all UK based).

      I have several sites that generate these leads and I have an outsourcer based in the Philipiness who specifically filters them based on my criteria and even calls them if any pieces of information are omitted from the web forms.

      I have to be honest, property/real estate really doesn't excite me at all.

      I love the internet and marketing on the internet and coaching and thats where I tend to spend most of my life nowadays.

      Hope that helps.
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  • Profile picture of the author J6869
    Urmil,

    I love your "long-ass" threads! I only recently became acquainted with them.
    For me, you provide a wealth of information and inspiration, as I'm getting started in my consultant biz. Thank you for your huge giving back to community, here. I want to thank the other respected marketers that provide a lot of gems as they reply to your threads. There's a huge "real" education going on here!

    Thanks,
    Julie
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by J6869 View Post

      Urmil,

      I love your "long-ass" threads! I only recently became acquainted with them.
      For me, you provide a wealth of information and inspiration, as I'm getting started in my consultant biz. Thank you for your huge giving back to community, here. I want to thank the other respected marketers that provide a lot of gems as they reply to your thread. There's a huge "real" education going on here!

      Thanks,
      Julie

      Hi Julie,

      Its so great to meet people like yourself who are starting their own consulting biz.

      Thank you for your kind words and I truly wish you all the success that i've experience in my life because of internet marketing.

      I got into internet marketing back when i dropped out of university, really not having a clue what to do and over time, i've tried so many things to make money, but every time I was really broke and in need of cash, i'd build a website or 2 for a local business.

      Its only about 4-5 years ago that it clicked that maybe instead of just building a website or 2 when i needed some money, maybe i should stop searching for that magic pill and just build a web consulting business.

      Thats when my life change.

      I truly hope yours reaches near heights too.

      Keep in touch and let me know how you get on.

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  • Profile picture of the author xlfutur1
    Great story, and goes to show you that there is money to be made everywhere all around us. You found the right people with whom you could provide value to which is really how money is made.

    Your point about the "free" thing is true as well.
    There was an experiment in NYC a number of years ago whereby a guy stood on a street corner giving away $100 bills. Most people wouldn't take them and just walked on by. Free can be a good thing, but oftentimes it doesn't matter what it is, some people will just not take you up on it. Thanks for posting, that one is worth reading a few times.
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by xlfutur1 View Post

      Great story, and goes to show you that there is money to be made everywhere all around us. You found the right people with whom you could provide value to which is really how money is made.

      Your point about the "free" thing is true as well.
      There was an experiment in NYC a number of years ago whereby a guy stood on a street corner giving away $100 bills. Most people wouldn't take them and just walked on by. Free can be a good thing, but oftentimes it doesn't matter what it is, some people will just not take you up on it. Thanks for posting, that one is worth reading a few times.

      Hey there,

      thanks for your comments. Its true money is all around us. But we are all such visual creatures that if we can't see it we don't believe it.

      My opinion about making money is really simple. If I can provide value somewhere, or help someone solve a problem easier, faster, or cheaper, then I know I will get paid.

      I know that if I had a problem and someone offered me a solution i'd pay for it, why wouldn't i?


      I read about that NYC experiement, thanks for bringing that up, i'd forgotten about that. Yes giving stuff away for free doesn't always have the intended result.

      I guess you have to use it sparingly based on what the customers/prospects are used to.

      e.g. prospects are used to opt-in online for free reports and videos, so it works in that case

      BUT offline, prospects are not used to free stuff because they feel they are going to be SOLD something somewhere.

      I remember in my local supermarket, you get companies offering free tasting of cheese and you see people swerve their shopping trolley to avoid these stands because they feel they are going to be asked to sample a free piece of cheese and then forced to buy a block of the stuff.
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  • Profile picture of the author KaterSD
    You basically just opened my eyes to an opportunity I don't know why i never thought about.

    My passion is Creative Real Estate, along with Internet Marketing.

    For some reason I never thought about mixing both which is creating lead generating sites targeted for people who want to sell their homes.

    Were you just generating local leads, or were you going out of state also.

    Since the leads were local was there enough leads generated monthly?.

    Also what kind of keywords did you use.. I cant think of what a seller would type in to a search engines locally..

    Where the sites full of content or was there some content with a lead capture page.

    id appreciate your input...
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by vApor View Post

      You basically just opened my eyes to an opportunity I don't know why i never thought about.

      My passion is Creative Real Estate, along with Internet Marketing.

      For some reason I never thought about mixing both which is creating lead generating sites targeted for people who want to sell their homes.

      Were you just generating local leads, or were you going out of state also.

      Since the leads were local was there enough leads generated monthly?.

      Also what kind of keywords did you use.. I cant think of what a seller would type in to a search engines locally..

      Where the sites full of content or was there some content with a lead capture page.

      id appreciate your input...

      Hey vApor,

      I am so glad that this post has opened your eyes to the opportunity of combining the internet and property.

      Remember, internet marketing skills can be combine with any industry, because all businesses need marketing and that means these skills are so valuable to learn.

      Thats a great combination, Creative Real Estate and Internet Marketing, you can really do some damage, help lots of people and get rewards handsomely for it.

      I started generating local leads but then after a while started generating national ones also. The only problem is with national leads, when i purchased the property they are so far away, they can become a nightmare to manage.

      One of the main reason I stopped buying property back in 2008 and just selling leads to other investors is because I got fed up with dealing with tenants. It just wasn't what was making me happy.

      Locally i'd buy between 1-5 properties a month when i was really in the flow of things in 2007.

      Those numbers remained the same when I went national, the only difference being I was more picky about what type of property leads I kept and which ones I offered to other investors.

      I didn't really focus on keywords back in 2007, what i did is build sites with a form on each page to get leads and the content was basic brochure site style stuff and i just got listings in local directories, created articles and submitted to directories with backlinks to the sites.

      I also did offline strategies like printed 100 A6 postcards with a headlines targeting sell you house quickly etc... and paid pocket change to have them displayed in local post offices in the town.

      I also did something quite crazy, I went to an auto dealer and brought a cheap car for $400, i brought this vinyl printing machine off ebay and created graphics for the entire car promoting my property lead generation sites and then parked the car and left it in the town centre for 8 months.

      That generated so many leads. I'll do a big post on that soon.

      Finally I also went of property forums and started getting in touch with investors, because i knew that i wasn't going to be able to buy all the property leads that came in and started building a small list of investors would i regularly supplied.

      Again I made a great deal of money from property and now I actually have lots of property clients who I market for on the internet in their local towns.

      You see my passion isn't property, its the internet, thats why i deal with the marketing and for me that is bringing in more money than property did.

      I hope this all helps and good luck with your venture
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    • Profile picture of the author mogema
      Thank you very much for that insight,

      I run a successful Offline Consulting business and reading your post has just set off so many light bulbs I can't even begin to describe it.

      I have always just focused on over delivering to my clients and because of it my business runs almost 100% on referral.

      Thanks again for a very helpful post, you have opened my eyes to a wide range of opportunities that I had never thought of before.

      Cheers

      Richard
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      • Profile picture of the author urmilp
        Originally Posted by mogema View Post

        Thank you very much for that insight,

        I run a successful Offline Consulting business and reading your post has just set off so many light bulbs I can't even begin to describe it.

        I have always just focused on over delivering to my clients and because of it my business runs almost 100% on referral.

        Thanks again for a very helpful post, you have opened my eyes to a wide range of opportunities that I had never thought of before.

        Cheers

        Richard

        Hey Richard,

        Thanks for your comments, and more importantly congratulations for having a business that runs 100% on referrals.

        My friend you truly have so many opportunities at your door.

        I am so confident that now you are aware of them, this year is going to be a very good financial year for you.

        I know exactly what you mean, I used to spend long days and even longer nights doing SEO, video marketing, everything you can think of to keep my clients happy, and i think its cause I was so busy that I actually noticed what the property client was doing, because it just seem such an easier way to make money.

        BUT I built a portfolio using my internet marketing skills, and then returned to internet marketing, consulting and coaching cause my passion was internet marketing and i'd rather be happy than rich, and with internet marketing i get to be both.

        Just imagine how many people in your local town have ideas, knowledge, ways of making money by providing services, but have no idea how to market them.

        You are their Knight in shining armour. You could JV with them, you could offer them services or you could pay them to learn their trade and use your marketing skills to dominate that niche.

        Now they'll succeed with your marketing help and of course you'll get paid enough to keep your armour shining.

        All the best my friend
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        • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
          Originally Posted by urmilp View Post

          Hey Richard,

          Thanks for your comments, and more importantly congratulations for having a business that runs 100% on referrals.

          My friend you truly have so many opportunities at your door.

          I am so confident that now you are aware of them, this year is going to be a very good financial year for you.

          I know exactly what you mean, I used to spend long days and even longer nights doing SEO, video marketing, everything you can think of to keep my clients happy, and i think its cause I was so busy that I actually noticed what the property client was doing, because it just seem such an easier way to make money.

          BUT I built a portfolio using my internet marketing skills, and then returned to internet marketing, consulting and coaching cause my passion was internet marketing and i'd rather be happy than rich, and with internet marketing i get to be both.

          Just imagine how many people in your local town have ideas, knowledge, ways of making money by providing services, but have no idea how to market them.

          You are their Knight in shining armour. You could JV with them, you could offer them services or you could pay them to learn their trade and use your marketing skills to dominate that niche.

          Now they'll succeed with your marketing help and of course you'll get paid enough to keep your armour shining.

          All the best my friend
          Urmil is spot on about how there are so many opportunities at our door. I'd advise people to pay strong attention to what Urmil has posted - there are some really valuable lessons in there that can easily make people thousands and thousands...
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          • Profile picture of the author safe as houses
            Urmil, what an inspiring post, I cant thank you enough, youve really given me a kick up the backside to just go for it, I have been full of good intention for too long but no real action, but after reading this post, this is the final push I need.

            Just gone and registered my domain for the offline business and contacted someone to create the graphics for the website.

            Thanks once again, Mick.
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            • Profile picture of the author urmilp
              Originally Posted by safe as houses View Post

              Urmil, what an inspiring post, I cant thank you enough, youve really given me a kick up the backside to just go for it, I have been full of good intention for too long but no real action, but after reading this post, this is the final push I need.

              Just gone and registered my domain for the offline business and contacted someone to create the graphics for the website.

              Thanks once again, Mick.

              Hey Mick,

              that is freaking awesome my friend. Just go for it. Come on seriously what have you got to lose.

              I remember someone once saying to me "you've got one life, dont f**k it up by doing nothing". Not the best quote in the world, but i tell you what it doesn't half make me just take action even it things might not work out.

              I am so glad this episode in my life has inspired you.


              Just remember good intentions wont pay the bills or buy you a brand spanking new car or take you on amazing holidays around the world.

              BUT taking action on something you're passionate about and focusing on providing value to others and also learning from mistakes and from mentors will definitely give you everything you could want including money, friends and fame.

              Good luck buddy.
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          • Profile picture of the author urmilp
            Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

            Urmil is spot on about how there are so many opportunities at our door. I'd advise people to pay strong attention to what Urmil has posted - there are some really valuable lessons in there that can easily make people thousands and thousands...
            Hi Steve,

            Thanks for your supportive comment. Really appreciate another successful offline consultant joining in here.

            I remember when I got started, I got so caught up in the hype and excitement about providing local Internet marketing services that I almost missed these hidden opportunities that are just goldmines waiting to be discovered.

            It just takes a little creativity, a little action and a persistent attitude.

            My hidden opportunity set me up for life financially. It doesn't take many opportunities like that to completely change your life.
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  • Profile picture of the author Race2Millions
    whoa amazing story....you got some ideas working up in my head now.

    THANKS!
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  • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
    How were you financing all these property purchases? Just getting mortgages from brokers?
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by Race2Millions View Post

      whoa amazing story....you got some ideas working up in my head now.

      THANKS!
      Thanks Race2Millions, If you have time, why don't you share a few ideas that you got after reading the post. I am sure many people would also benefit here.

      Really appreciate you joining in here.



      Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

      How were you financing all these property purchases? Just getting mortgages from brokers?
      Hi Christian,

      Yes I was funding all the property purchased through mortgages. As Robert Kiyosaki teaches (RICH DAD) mortgages are actually good debt provided the asset you buy produces an income.

      I really wanted to share in this thread how because I was in the web design and web marketing business, I had so many opportunities and business ventures that because of the marketing skills i'd learnt I could take advantage of....

      And building my property portfolio was one of the most profitable opportunities for me.

      There are so many other opportunities such as JV's with local business owners and many of them have proven very lucrative also.

      Thanks for your question.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steve Peters Benn
        Originally Posted by urmilp View Post

        Thanks Race2Millions, If you have time, why don't you share a few ideas that you got after reading the post. I am sure many people would also benefit here.

        Really appreciate you joining in here.





        Hi Christian,

        Yes I was funding all the property purchased through mortgages. As Robert Kiyosaki teaches (RICH DAD) mortgages are actually good debt provided the asset you buy produces an income.

        I really wanted to share in this thread how because I was in the web design and web marketing business, I had so many opportunities and business ventures that because of the marketing skills i'd learnt I could take advantage of....

        And building my property portfolio was one of the most profitable opportunities for me.

        There are so many other opportunities such as JV's with local business owners and many of them have proven very lucrative also.

        Thanks for your question.
        I have to say, Urmil has some mind-blowing things to say about property and how to get rich in it - it's an area I know nothing about and Urmil is so knowledgeable about it, I imagine he could make a full time living just doing that...
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        • Profile picture of the author urmilp
          Originally Posted by Steve Peters Benn View Post

          I have to say, Urmil has some mind-blowing things to say about property and how to get rich in it - it's an area I know nothing about and Urmil is so knowledgeable about it, I imagine he could make a full time living just doing that...

          Hey Steve,

          Thanks for your comments.

          I will always be indebted to the property business, because it partially helped change my life.

          When I say partially I mean, without the skills i'd spent years learning about lead generation, seo and internet marketing, I would never have been able to take advantage of the property opportunity.

          Anyway some people love lamborghini's and others prefer ferrari's, its whatever makes them happy.

          For me property was a fun ride for a while but since 2008 my internet marketing business, offline consulting, the amazing people in my coaching groups, that what is now providing me with the best ride of my life.

          I wouldn't change it for the world.

          I hope my thread doesn't swerve off into a whole property industry style thread as the point I wanted to make in this thread was that internet marketing and those skills and being in the local business consulting marketing can allow anyone to take advantage of opportunities that they may never even hear about.

          Lets rock on and help others discover poosibilities through internet marketing and web consulting.

          Thanks

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          • Profile picture of the author AllAboutAction
            So I actually started selling the leads. Now the property niche is unlike any niche i'd experienced. I found investors who were paying a flat fee for a qualified property lead of upto $5000 upon completion of the deal. I found them on property forum (again online).
            Hi Urmil,

            Great post, thanks!

            What process did you put in place to ensure that you actually got credit for the leads that got converted to sales?
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      • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
        Originally Posted by urmilp View Post

        Hi Christian,

        Yes I was funding all the property purchased through mortgages. As Robert Kiyosaki teaches (RICH DAD) mortgages are actually good debt provided the asset you buy produces an income.

        I really wanted to share in this thread how because I was in the web design and web marketing business, I had so many opportunities and business ventures that because of the marketing skills i'd learnt I could take advantage of....

        And building my property portfolio was one of the most profitable opportunities for me.

        There are so many other opportunities such as JV's with local business owners and many of them have proven very lucrative also.

        Thanks for your question.
        So you were buying properties below market value and then renting them out?

        Could you give some examples of the numbers here?

        We looked at buying a house a few years ago and got a mortgage of $400k, but it would have worked out to $1700/month in mortgage payments if we maxed it out, which is about the cost of a decent size house around here. But houses only rent around here for about $1800. So that's only a $100/month profit IF the property is rented out, assume 1-2 months without tenants each year and you're operating in the negative.

        So how did you make it work out? I've always thought about doing this, but the numbers just never seemed to add up to me. I even bought a bunch of books on the subject, but none of them seemed to answer my question about making the numbers work out.
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        • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
          Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

          So you were buying properties below market value and then renting them out?

          Could you give some examples of the numbers here?

          We looked at buying a house a few years ago and got a mortgage of $400k, but it would have worked out to $1700/month in mortgage payments if we maxed it out, which is about the cost of a decent size house around here. But houses only rent around here for about $1800. So that's only a $100/month profit IF the property is rented out, assume 1-2 months without tenants each year and you're operating in the negative.

          So how did you make it work out? I've always thought about doing this, but the numbers just never seemed to add up to me. I even bought a bunch of books on the subject, but none of them seemed to answer my question about making the numbers work out.
          You seem to have chosen quite an expensive home, the figures tend to work better at the lower end of the housing market.

          The mortgage rates in the UK are low, but mortgages are difficult to obtain, especially if you do not have a large deposit to put down. But this is buying property using the more traditional method.

          Through lease, options, you can use the mortgage that is already on the property. This method is used by property investors in the UK, Australia, Canada and the USA, search Rick Otton.

          I live in a two bedroom flat, the monthly mortgage payment has fallen to about £450. Two bedroom flats easily rent for £750 - £800 PCM.

          The secret to making property investment is to focus not on property, but on the sellers. You are looking for 'motivated sellers'. These are people that are more open to taking large discounts and are generally more flexible. So if you were setting up a website to collect leads, you would target words such as ' buy my house quick' ' sell home quick' 'stop repossession' 'repossession advice'

          If you choose a house because you like the look of it, and do not buy at a discount, you are doomed to fail.
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          • Profile picture of the author urmilp
            Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

            You seem to have chosen quite an expensive home, the figures tend to work better at the lower end of the housing market.

            The mortgage rates in the UK are low, but mortgages are difficult to obtain, especially if you do not have a large deposit to put down. But this is buying property using the more traditional method.

            Through lease, options, you can use the mortgage that is already on the property. This method is used by property investors in the UK, Australia, Canada and the USA, search Rick Otton.

            I live in a two bedroom flat, the monthly mortgage payment has fallen to about £450. Two bedroom flats easily rent for £750 - £800 PCM.

            The secret to making property investment is to focus not on property, but on the sellers. You are looking for 'motivated sellers'. These are people that are more open to taking large discounts and are generally more flexible. So if you were setting up a website to collect leads, you would target words such as ' buy my house quick' ' sell home quick' 'stop repossession' 'repossession advice'

            If you choose a house because you like the look of it, and do not buy at a discount, you are doomed to fail.

            Hi philboy uk,

            You are 100% right with your comments about focusing on the motivated sellers, not the property.

            Remember you are buying a property to rent out or to sell in the future and make money, you are not going to be living in it. The biggest mistakes newbies in property investing make is they become too emotionally attached to the houses they invest in.

            Be emotionally attached when you buy the house you are going to live in, NOT the one you are buying as an investment to rent out. Just ensure the price you pay for the house is one that will make you the minimum profit targets you set yourself.

            Yes mortgages are difficult to get in the UK at the moment and I definitely recommend lease options to those who have a passion for property.

            Thanks again for your insights my friend.
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        • Profile picture of the author urmilp
          Originally Posted by Christian Little View Post

          So you were buying properties below market value and then renting them out?

          Could you give some examples of the numbers here?

          We looked at buying a house a few years ago and got a mortgage of $400k, but it would have worked out to $1700/month in mortgage payments if we maxed it out, which is about the cost of a decent size house around here. But houses only rent around here for about $1800. So that's only a $100/month profit IF the property is rented out, assume 1-2 months without tenants each year and you're operating in the negative.

          So how did you make it work out? I've always thought about doing this, but the numbers just never seemed to add up to me. I even bought a bunch of books on the subject, but none of them seemed to answer my question about making the numbers work out.

          Hi Christian,

          Thanks for your question buddy. Let me try to answer that for you with my thoughts and some numbers from my actual portfolio.

          Firstly, I was buying property in the UK therefore they maybe differences in the processes or laws to that in the US.

          I'll put the numbers in dollars (using £1 = $1.5) to make the numbers simple.


          Ok then, let's see if I can explain this without confusing you...

          I marketed to find motivated sellers. Those that needed to sell their house fast, in fact the fastest transaction I ever did was received the lead on a tuesday and exchanged contracts 2 days later. Of course, once exchanged it didn't complete for a few weeks (had to wait for mortgage to come through) but I had secured the deal by exchanging contracts.

          Now these motivated sellers really had one problem, the were fed up with their house, their mortgage lender, their debt, pretty much everything and they just wanted someone to take away that entire problem.

          So they filled out a form on one of my lead gen sites. They get a call my one of my call center staff who verfiys all their details and obtains a few other bits of information.

          I get the email from the call center staff, look at the numbers and make a decision on what I can offer them and then call them with an offer.


          How I worked out what I can offer

          I normally would only buy with a minimum of 30% below market value.
          That means a house worth $200k, my highest offer to buy if FAST would be $140k.

          Now its completely up to the seller if they want to sell to me or not, and provided their mortgage is less than $140k the deal could work.

          Now a house worth $200k would normally be a 3 - 4 bed semi in the UK (obviously location matters, you wouldn't get that in London at that price).
          But this is just an example.

          That house worth $200k, being a 3-4 bed semi would potentially rent for $833 per month.

          Now I'm buying at $140k, however when I purchased my properties the mortgage product I used in the UK allowed me to re-mortgage the same day as my purchased for upto 85% of the market value.

          So I would buy the property at $140k, but when I re-mortgage on the same day as the purchased I'd get a re-mortgage for $170k, which means I actually received a cash lump sum on completion of $30k (thats the $170k mortgage LESS the $140k purchase price).

          Now with the typical mortgage rate of 5% at the price, my interest only payments on $170k were $708 per month.

          So my positive cashflow would be $833 less $708 = $125.

          Now that may not seem like a lot, however I have $30k that I can invest or do whatever I want with.

          I could have alternatively just taken a mortgage of $140k with monthly mortgage payments of $583 and made a positive cashflow of $250 per month.


          The deals I made were significantly discounted for me to choose between either a massive lump sum of cash on completion and a small positive cashflow or no lump sum of cash on completion and a higher positive cashflow.

          The choice you make really depends on your business strategy.


          Here's one of my best property deals I did:

          Property Value: $322,500

          I purchased at: $159,000

          I remortgages at: $204,000

          My current mortgage payments are: $448.50 per month ( i got a great mortgage product on this property)

          My current rent is $1200 per month.


          So...

          I have $118,500 in equity remaining in the property
          I received a cheque for $45,000 on completion
          I receive $751.50 per month positive cashflow.

          And best of all, I put none of my own money into the deal.



          DISCLAIMER: I was able to do this in 2007, there are fewer mortgage products available today and the mortgage product I used is no longer available.

          However, if you shop around you will find creative financing strategies that work today. I know, because my investors who buy leads from me they are still buying.

          One piece of advice I would like to offer is, think about lease options.

          Many people who need to sell fast don't care how you buy the property, whether with a mortgage or a lease option, just as long as you take their problem away quickly.

          With lease options you have an agreement to buy the property and lease it (and virtually manage) it until you buy it within a certain timeframe. This means you don't need a mortgage and you just manage the payments of the sellers existing mortgage.

          What you'll find is if the sell is on a variable mortgage, because of current low interest rates, you can make a killing by just taking on these properties and renting them out.

          I hope that helps my friend.

          good luck.
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          • Profile picture of the author Christian Little
            Originally Posted by urmilp View Post

            Hi Christian,

            Thanks for your question buddy. Let me try to answer that for you with my thoughts and some numbers from my actual portfolio.

            Firstly, I was buying property in the UK therefore they maybe differences in the processes or laws to that in the US.

            I'll put the numbers in dollars (using £1 = $1.5) to make the numbers simple.


            Ok then, let's see if I can explain this without confusing you...

            I marketed to find motivated sellers. Those that needed to sell their house fast, in fact the fastest transaction I ever did was received the lead on a tuesday and exchanged contracts 2 days later. Of course, once exchanged it didn't complete for a few weeks (had to wait for mortgage to come through) but I had secured the deal by exchanging contracts.

            Now these motivated sellers really had one problem, the were fed up with their house, their mortgage lender, their debt, pretty much everything and they just wanted someone to take away that entire problem.

            So they filled out a form on one of my lead gen sites. They get a call my one of my call center staff who verfiys all their details and obtains a few other bits of information.

            I get the email from the call center staff, look at the numbers and make a decision on what I can offer them and then call them with an offer.


            How I worked out what I can offer

            I normally would only buy with a minimum of 30% below market value.
            That means a house worth $200k, my highest offer to buy if FAST would be $140k.

            Now its completely up to the seller if they want to sell to me or not, and provided their mortgage is less than $140k the deal could work.

            Now a house worth $200k would normally be a 3 - 4 bed semi in the UK (obviously location matters, you wouldn't get that in London at that price).
            But this is just an example.

            That house worth $200k, being a 3-4 bed semi would potentially rent for $833 per month.

            Now I'm buying at $140k, however when I purchased my properties the mortgage product I used in the UK allowed me to re-mortgage the same day as my purchased for upto 85% of the market value.

            So I would buy the property at $140k, but when I re-mortgage on the same day as the purchased I'd get a re-mortgage for $170k, which means I actually received a cash lump sum on completion of $30k (thats the $170k mortgage LESS the $140k purchase price).

            Now with the typical mortgage rate of 5% at the price, my interest only payments on $170k were $708 per month.

            So my positive cashflow would be $833 less $708 = $125.

            Now that may not seem like a lot, however I have $30k that I can invest or do whatever I want with.

            I could have alternatively just taken a mortgage of $140k with monthly mortgage payments of $583 and made a positive cashflow of $250 per month.


            The deals I made were significantly discounted for me to choose between either a massive lump sum of cash on completion and a small positive cashflow or no lump sum of cash on completion and a higher positive cashflow.

            The choice you make really depends on your business strategy.


            Here's one of my best property deals I did:

            Property Value: $322,500

            I purchased at: $159,000

            I remortgages at: $204,000

            My current mortgage payments are: $448.50 per month ( i got a great mortgage product on this property)

            My current rent is $1200 per month.


            So...

            I have $118,500 in equity remaining in the property
            I received a cheque for $45,000 on completion
            I receive $751.50 per month positive cashflow.

            And best of all, I put none of my own money into the deal.



            DISCLAIMER: I was able to do this in 2007, there are fewer mortgage products available today and the mortgage product I used is no longer available.

            However, if you shop around you will find creative financing strategies that work today. I know, because my investors who buy leads from me they are still buying.

            One piece of advice I would like to offer is, think about lease options.

            Many people who need to sell fast don't care how you buy the property, whether with a mortgage or a lease option, just as long as you take their problem away quickly.

            With lease options you have an agreement to buy the property and lease it (and virtually manage) it until you buy it within a certain timeframe. This means you don't need a mortgage and you just manage the payments of the sellers existing mortgage.

            What you'll find is if the sell is on a variable mortgage, because of current low interest rates, you can make a killing by just taking on these properties and renting them out.

            I hope that helps my friend.

            good luck.
            Thanks for the detailed explanation, that really helps.

            I've never heard of re-mortgaging on the day of purchase, but that's an intriguing idea when combined with buying the house below market value.

            When you remortgage, you're basically replacing your existing mortgage right? I'm not sure if they have that in Canada (where I'm located). I know you can get things like a 2nd mortgage which is based on the difference between your current mortgage and the market value of your home, essentially giving you 2 mortgages on the property. I think that's the same idea on what you are doing except you only end up with 1 mortgage instead of 2.

            Question - when you were talking about the $30k cash you had from re-mortgaging, why wouldn't you just keep the original mortgage to keep the monthly payments low? Did you have specific plans for the cash? I can see there being use for investing the cash or keeping it to cover mortgage payments when the property is vacant possibly.

            I'm also not sure if this kind of situation would work in the area I live in. Vancouver and the Lower Mainland (all the cities/suburbs surrounding Vancouver) is sitting on a balanced real estate market right now. A few years ago we have a huge boom in the housing market, but since the olympics the market has settled and it seems to be a slight advantage to the buyers right now.

            I do find this extremely intriguing though and certainly worth looking into lol.
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  • Profile picture of the author Qamar
    Hey Urmil,
    Thanks a million for your powerful post. I appreciate that you are kind enough to share this valuable info on this forum for FREE.

    I have learned a lot from your post especially about your positive attitude towards your own business and to me that is very inspiring. Apart from that, i have also discovered these gold nuggets from your post, which I have been planning to do or am currently doing for my own web design business. These are the gold nuggets that i have learned from your post:

    1 - My main source of new customers was from local flyer/postcard marketing, telemarketing, editorials in the local newspaper and running special offer promotions (you know discounts and giving your services and time away for next to no money just to build some awareness...we've all done it

    2 - local business networking meeting and thought that it would probably be a good place to attend and I could get our offer in front of local business owners (our target market).

    3 - Before the networking event, I had printed some white t-shirts with my company name on them and also a massive call to action on the back saying "Get Your Free Website Today... Ask me for more info"

    4 - we spent the entire event networking and being approached about what we do and how we could help these local business owners.

    5 - Networking meetings are not about trying to sell your services there and then, they are about meeting new prospects, making them aware of you and what you do and most importantly leaving a great impression that would make them feel they'd benefit from working with you rather than any other web designer/marketer.

    6 - One of my golden rules has always been to ask for referrals when the client is most excited about my services and working with me, so just as he hands me the cheque, I asked him if he knew anyone else that was looking to get a website or would be interested in the free website promotion we were doing.



    Thanks again Urmil for taking the time to write superb this long post!


    Qamar
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by Qamar View Post

      Hey Urmil,
      Thanks a million for your powerful post. I appreciate that you are kind enough to share this valuable info on this forum for FREE.

      I have learned a lot from your post especially about your positive attitude towards your own business and to me that is very inspiring. Apart from that, i have also discovered these gold nuggets from your post, which I have been planning to do or am currently doing for my own web design business. These are the gold nuggets that i have learned from your post:

      1 - My main source of new customers was from local flyer/postcard marketing, telemarketing, editorials in the local newspaper and running special offer promotions (you know discounts and giving your services and time away for next to no money just to build some awareness...we've all done it

      2 - local business networking meeting and thought that it would probably be a good place to attend and I could get our offer in front of local business owners (our target market).

      3 - Before the networking event, I had printed some white t-shirts with my company name on them and also a massive call to action on the back saying "Get Your Free Website Today... Ask me for more info"

      4 - we spent the entire event networking and being approached about what we do and how we could help these local business owners.

      5 - Networking meetings are not about trying to sell your services there and then, they are about meeting new prospects, making them aware of you and what you do and most importantly leaving a great impression that would make them feel they'd benefit from working with you rather than any other web designer/marketer.

      6 - One of my golden rules has always been to ask for referrals when the client is most excited about my services and working with me, so just as he hands me the cheque, I asked him if he knew anyone else that was looking to get a website or would be interested in the free website promotion we were doing.



      Thanks again Urmil for taking the time to write superb this long post!


      Qamar

      Hey Qamar,

      Thanks for your comments. I am really glad you found some great golden nuggets in my story.

      From the list above, I have to admit the one I had the most fun with was the white printed t-shirts. The face on the business owners at the networking group when we walked in was of complete confusion.

      It was almost like a pattern interrupt for these people. Many business networking meetings can sometimes become very repetitive for the attendees, and our t-shirts definitely left a memorable impression.

      All the best
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      • Profile picture of the author urmilp
        Originally Posted by philboy uk View Post

        Hi Urmil

        Thankyou for your great post.

        When you say you generate leads for tenant buyers , is that through lease options ?

        I invested money in Caribbean Resorts, and the agent that sold me this deal offered a generous commission for any lead that turned into a sale.

        It would actually be worth contacting business owners and offering some internet marketing services as a bonus, if they were to purchase caribbean property through me.

        thanks again

        Hi philboy uk,

        Thanks for your question. I am really happy you enjoyed the post.

        Yes you are partially correct. I do have sites that generate tenant buyers leads, these are leads of people who would like to buy a property using a lease option because they can't get a mortgage right now but would like to have a solution that allows them to buy the house they move into.

        Your idea of contacting business owners, that could work but remember that even if you offer services as a bonus, you must still ensure the sales process of selling the caribbean property through you is compelling.

        Good luck with that. Test it, Examine the results and tweak the process till it works.



        Originally Posted by rathnavelpandian View Post

        hi there mate.good post ..i have done seminars for realtors every three months that brings me about 30k per seminar teaching them IM strategies for selling more property.

        i also currently have JV deals with agents in various parts of the country (one per major town) where i design specific local sites ,seo them and bring in home seller leads for these specific towns to individual agents and we split the commission for the sale 60-40.

        your idea intrigues me.we could share some ideas as i work in singapore so we wont be competitors.how do i get in touch?

        Hi rathnavelpandian,

        Thanks for your comments. Realtors are a very lucrative niche. Its great to hear you are doing so well with local seminars to realtors. Well done for picking a niche and focusing on helping to solve their problems.

        I have thought about doing seminar in it, however as I have said in my post, property is not my passion and although I have done very well in it, I made the decision to follow my passion in 2008 and to be honest I have more happiness and money in my life now because of that.

        I focus on internet marketing, consulting and coaching (IM not property).

        Your business model of JV with local agents is a fantastic model and is very lucrative. I on the other hand built a list of actual property investors (the end buyers not just agents) and negotiated fees based on the amount of discount I could secure in the deal below the market price.

        Either model works and either model can change your life.

        Good work with that my friend.
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  • Profile picture of the author philboy uk
    Hi Urmil

    Thankyou for your great post.

    When you say you generate leads for tenant buyers , is that through lease options ?

    I invested money in Caribbean Resorts, and the agent that sold me this deal offered a generous commission for any lead that turned into a sale.

    It would actually be worth contacting business owners and offering some internet marketing services as a bonus, if they were to purchase caribbean property through me.

    thanks again
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    • Profile picture of the author James Basher
      hi there mate.good post ..i have done seminars for realtors every three months that brings me about 30k per seminar teaching them IM strategies for selling more property.

      i also currently have JV deals with agents in various parts of the country (one per major town) where i design specific local sites ,seo them and bring in home seller leads for these specific towns to individual agents and we split the commission for the sale 60-40.

      your idea intrigues me.we could share some ideas as i work in singapore so we wont be competitors.how do i get in touch?
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Solem
    Urmil my friend, you know you don't post here all that often, but then when you do - look out!

    Man I love these types of inspirational stories and really appreciate you sharing yours with us here! There are so many golden nuggets within your post it's hard to single out a favorite one, but the following is the one that stands out the most for me.

    One thing I do know is, that by being in this industry, by providing services to local business owners, by building relationships with local business owners, and making sure I put myself out in my community as the go-to guy for internet marketing, then I have many opportunities offered to me on a daily basis that could potential make me life changing money.
    The key there is in the relationships that you build with people, which reminds me of my favorite quote from Zig Ziglar who said "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want".

    Your story reminds me of the first website I ever designed for a client some ten or so years ago to help him sell the course he developed to help computer professionals get more business. He was self publishing a printed book and audio program well before createspace and kunaki existed, and after seeing him make six figures within the first year, it opened my eyes to the idea of producing content once and selling it many times - instead of just trading hours for dollars which is what every employee and even most business owners do today.

    Whether you're a web designer or online or offline marketer etc... your post is proof that it pays to keep your eyes open for the opportunities all around us and I thank you again for so generously sharing your story with us!

    All the best,

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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by Steve Solem View Post

      Urmil my friend, you know you don't post here all that often, but then when you do - look out!

      Man I love these types of inspirational stories and really appreciate you sharing yours with us here! There are so many golden nuggets within your post it's hard to single out a favorite one, but the following is the one that stands out the most for me.



      The key there is in the relationships that you build with people, which reminds me of my favorite quote from Zig Ziglar who said "You can have everything in life you want if you will just help enough other people get what they want".

      Your story reminds me of the first website I ever designed for a client some ten or so years ago to help him sell the course he developed to help computer professionals get more business. He was self publishing a printed book and audio program well before createspace and kunaki existed, and after seeing him make six figures within the first year, it opened my eyes to the idea of producing content once and selling it many times - instead of just trading hours for dollars which is what every employee and even most business owners do today.

      Whether you're a web designer or online or offline marketer etc... your post is proof that it pays to keep your eyes open for the opportunities all around us and I thank you again for so generously sharing your story with us!

      All the best,

      Steve

      Mr Steve Solem,

      Thank you so much for joining in here and for your awesome comments.
      I am really glad you liked this post.

      You know what before I wrote this thread I used to think my life was just normal and boring and no-one would be interested in my experiences...

      AGAIN I GUESS I WAS WRONG. I am so happy my life experiences are really helping people.

      I love your story about your first website and how you got into info product creation. That is awesome.

      You are so right, opportunity is all around us, some see it MOST MISS IT!

      The reason I love internet marketing and more importantly information marketing is for the very same reasons you just mentioned.

      I love testing out strategies and then documenting them and making them available to the mass and I use my offline clients to test many of my strategies as well (so i get paid for that and the clients get the latest techniques I discover). Its profitable but also very fulfiling to know you are really helping others.

      With property i didn't really feel that fulfilment.

      I also realised that if I could work with local business owners, get results and then build information products using internet marketing, each information product I build would be a WEB PROPERTY that makes me money as opposed to an OFFLINE PROPERTY.

      ALso WEB PROPERTIES...a lot less hassle to manage.

      I also found that having my property portfolio, restricted me from travelling the world which was one of my biggest dreams, but now my properties are managed by agents, and my WEB PROPERTIES, well I can manage them from a laptop and an internet connection.

      In fact, I'm off to Las Vegas next week.
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      • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
        Originally Posted by urmilp View Post

        Mr Steve Solem,

        Thank you so much for joining in here and for your awesome comments.
        I am really glad you liked this post.

        You know what before I wrote this thread I used to think my life was just normal and boring and no-one would be interested in my experiences...

        AGAIN I GUESS I WAS WRONG. I am so happy my life experiences are really helping people.

        I love your story about your first website and how you got into info product creation. That is awesome.

        You are so right, opportunity is all around us, some see it MOST MISS IT!

        The reason I love internet marketing and more importantly information marketing is for the very same reasons you just mentioned.

        I love testing out strategies and then documenting them and making them available to the mass and I use my offline clients to test many of my strategies as well (so i get paid for that and the clients get the latest techniques I discover). Its profitable but also very fulfiling to know you are really helping others.

        With property i didn't really feel that fulfilment.

        I also realised that if I could work with local business owners, get results and then build information products using internet marketing, each information product I build would be a WEB PROPERTY that makes me money as opposed to an OFFLINE PROPERTY.

        ALso WEB PROPERTIES...a lot less hassle to manage.

        I also found that having my property portfolio, restricted me from travelling the world which was one of my biggest dreams, but now my properties are managed by agents, and my WEB PROPERTIES, well I can manage them from a laptop and an internet connection.

        In fact, I'm off to Las Vegas next week.
        Vegas next week?

        You want to grab a drink or a bite to eat? Would love to apply your method here in Sin City as so many house are empty in this town.
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        • Profile picture of the author urmilp
          Originally Posted by ADukes81 View Post

          Vegas next week?

          You want to grab a drink or a bite to eat? Would love to apply your method here in Sin City as so many house are empty in this town.

          Hey ADuke81,

          Send me a PM. I got a jam packed week, but if you are about, sure we can grab a drink.

          Would love to discuss these empty house. Sounds like there's money for you to be making!
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  • Profile picture of the author RentItNow
    I did the tenant lead thing as well and in doing so was exposed to real estate deals that I would have never seen otherwise. To this day, I still make more off bird-dogging rental properties for landlords than anything. Lot of money, little time invested (just help people and the money flows).

    The secret, just as in any IM is to find the market area with the biggest problems. In my area it was landlords could not fill their places. HUGE PAIN for them. Huge opportunity that exposed me to something that paid the bills just fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author daddykool
    Very, very interesting Urmil...

    Positve threads like these will help many a n00b in the IM online/offline world get into something that makes them coin and changes thier lives forever!

    Wonder just how far you would have gone if you had started 10 years earlier in your methods!

    Time you branched out into the world of Kindle books my friend, you could do well telling others how you turned your life around in a bestseller!
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by daddykool View Post

      Very, very interesting Urmil...

      Positve threads like these will help many a n00b in the IM online/offline world get into something that makes them coin and changes thier lives forever!

      Wonder just how far you would have gone if you had started 10 years earlier in your methods!

      Time you branched out into the world of Kindle books my friend, you could do well telling others how you turned your life around in a bestseller!

      Hey daddykool,

      thanks for your comments and i love the idea about a Kindle book.

      I'm am taking a 12 month trip round the world later this year where my business will run 100% from my laptop and any internet connection i can find. I can not wait!

      I will definitely use my travelling time to start putting some of my experiences into chapters for a few Kindle books.


      I have a great story and perfect example of how people miss opportunities that are standing right i front of their faces and you asking me the question about how far I would have got if i'd have started 10 years ago just triggered my memory.

      Back before I first started offline web designing for local businesses (2000),

      I had a temporary job back then in a local lettings and estate agency in and area called Bow, East London, UK. This was around 1998 (cant remember exact dates)

      At that time, I was working in a letting agents and estate agents and the owner was buying these amazing warehouse apartments at a massive discount and he was really making lots of money.

      I remember he had a flash sports car, expensive suits, and really was living it up.

      Me on the other hand, was struggling to pay my rent. The money I was being paid in this job just about covered the bills for me to live in London.

      Now back then I didn't even think about asking him how he purchased the properties nor did I even think I could purchased them.

      I guess a bit of lack of knowledge and a lack of confidence.

      BUT the most important part was, I had no skills of marketing on the internet, so I didn't even have a clue how to find the property deals.

      You see this is a perfect example of the fact that I wa exposed to the property industry back in 1998 and if i'd have had the internet marketing skills or even just marketing skills back then, then I may have started buying property back in 1998 NOT 2007.

      BUT you know, my live is incredible now and I started late, so I hope those reading this thread and particularly this comment, realise that it is NEVER to late to get started and become successful.

      That doesn't mean procrastinate and put it off until tomorrow. What is mean by that is you cant change the past, so stop focusing on it, but you can definitely make changes today to create a new future.

      All the best my friend.
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      • Profile picture of the author urmilp
        Originally Posted by forseo View Post

        hi dude,
        good to know that you are there with your brilliant idea.
        actually i am having a similar concept as well.
        even what is more similar is that i wanna try on property field as well, in another side of the globe
        due to some reason, i hasnt started the thing...
        but after i read your thread, it strike me again and i think i wanna put it into action no matter what, haha..

        anyway, great thread and great idea.
        cheers

        Hey there forseo,

        Thats the attitude. Get started and build up momentum and focus on making sure people in your area know about you and what you can do in terms of marketing and how it can benefit them.

        Good luck buddy


        Originally Posted by paintbrush4u View Post

        Urmil...This is "Simply" brilliant... I just scanned the thread and I am going to have to come back to this one. I love the RAW entreneurship... so magnificiently portrayed....
        Thx for sharing
        Hi paintbrush4u,

        Thanks for your kind words my friend. Please do take time to read this post and more importantly please think about how you can use some of my ideas to help you increase your income.

        If you need any clarification on any of my points, please ask here.

        thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author Patrick Warren
    Really interesting post thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author forseo
    hi dude,
    good to know that you are there with your brilliant idea.
    actually i am having a similar concept as well.
    even what is more similar is that i wanna try on property field as well, in another side of the globe
    due to some reason, i hasnt started the thing...
    but after i read your thread, it strike me again and i think i wanna put it into action no matter what, haha..

    anyway, great thread and great idea.
    cheers
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  • Profile picture of the author Abdi Shakur
    Another great post Urmil really fascinating story there. really enjoyed your posts with all the golden nuggets you always put in. This post couldn't have been more relevant to me right now, i also did some marketing for an estate agent recently. and was fascinated with the potential in property so i decided to set up my own website, and also got it ranked up to page 2 now i was initially going to generate leads for estate agents in my city by sending them leads for people wanting to sell their home through an estate agent. but you have certainly opened my eyes to people who are wanting to sell their homes fast. Again thanks a bunch for the post and keep them coming i cant wait for the Car one now.
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by Hopeful Warrior View Post

      Another great post Urmil really fascinating story there. really enjoyed your posts with all the golden nuggets you always put in. This post couldn't have been more relevant to me right now, i also did some marketing for an estate agent recently. and was fascinated with the potential in property so i decided to set up my own website, and also got it ranked up to page 2 now i was initially going to generate leads for estate agents in my city by sending them leads for people wanting to sell their home through an estate agent. but you have certainly opened my eyes to people who are wanting to sell their homes fast. Again thanks a bunch for the post and keep them coming i cant wait for the Car one now.

      Hey Hopeful Warrior,

      I'm really glad you found this relevant and useful.

      Well done for getting your local site started. Thats' usually the biggest obstacle for most people.

      I'm off to Las Vegas on wednesday for a while, but I'll definitely think about sharing my adventures with my "graphics covered car" strategy for getting people to my property lead generation sites soon.

      all the best
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  • Profile picture of the author paintbrush4u
    Urmil...This is "Simply" brilliant... I just scanned the thread and I am going to have to come back to this one. I love the RAW entreneurship... so magnificiently portrayed....
    Thx for sharing
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Originally Posted by RentItNow View Post

      I did the tenant lead thing as well and in doing so was exposed to real estate deals that I would have never seen otherwise. To this day, I still make more off bird-dogging rental properties for landlords than anything. Lot of money, little time invested (just help people and the money flows).

      The secret, just as in any IM is to find the market area with the biggest problems. In my area it was landlords could not fill their places. HUGE PAIN for them. Huge opportunity that exposed me to something that paid the bills just fine.

      Hey there RentItNow,

      Thanks for your comments and sharing your experience.

      That is great. It is so good to see that there are lots of others like you and I that have noticed and taken advantage of different opportunities during their main Internet Marketing and lead generation businesses.

      I think one of the best deals I sourced for a landlord was a property with a $50k discount and received a $13,500 finders fees. This was a lead from my website.

      Again I cant stress enough the importance of learning marketing in the internet and providing services to local businesses is a fantastic way to earn while you learn.

      I really hope people reading this thread take action on that.

      thanks

      Originally Posted by AllAboutAction View Post

      Hi Urmil,

      Great post, thanks!

      What process did you put in place to ensure that you actually got credit for the leads that got converted to sales?

      Hi AllAboutAction,

      Glad you liked the post.

      Back in 2007 I was very new to property, and didn't actually put in any process to begin with to ensure I got credited for the leads that got converted to sales.

      I guess my thinking was, an investor is not going to try to rip me off and not pay, why would he! I'm providing him with property deals with built in cash. I'm basically finding him properties he/she could buy at a massive discount and all he/she has to pay me is 20-30% of the discount I manage to agree with the sell.

      Check out the ROI for the investor.

      e.g. investor buys $200k property for $140k
      Built in equity of $60k
      my finders fee would be approx $12k

      The investor still has $48k equity in the property.

      Now he's paid me $12k and got $48k in equity, thats a 400% return on his money.

      Now if you were the investor and I could provide you deals like that would you try to screw me and not pay the finders fee upon completion or would you make sure you paid me on time so I would offer you more deals like that?

      No brainer really, I had something investors wanted. I have never had a problem with investors paying my fees ON TIME.

      About 4 months into it and when I started selling tenant buyer and lease option leads and ready made property investment deals, I did put a simply process into place, because with a lease option the investor doesn't complete immediately (completion could be in 5 years).

      SO then I did put something in place and I did it for all deals to keep my process simple.

      I had 2 different business models for the leads. If it was just a lead through the website where the numbers stated did not meet my set criteria, then I'd simply sell the lead at a fee (usually $50 - $150).

      The 2nd business model was much more lucrative and that was, if the lead met my set criteria then I'd contact the seller and agree a purchase price. I'd then proceed to exchange contracts ensuring that a clause was included where I could assign the contract to someone else (e.g. an investor who I'd sell the deal to).

      I therefore had the seller locked in.

      If it was a lease option then I'd get the relevant lease option agreement and rental agreement signed but again make them assignable.

      I then contacted my list of investors and usually within 24 hours someone would take the deal. I would either off the ready made deal at a FLAT FEE of upto $5000 or based on a 20-30% commission of the discount I have secured if there was a significantly large discount.

      I'd then request an undertaking from the investor solicitor (attorney) to pay my commission upon completion(if it was a purchase or upon granting the lease option if it was a lease option deal). The investors solicitor obviously had to have authorisation from the investor to grant me an undertaking and if this wasn't forthcoming then I would not assign the contract to the investor and off it to my list again.

      That was it. But please bear in mind, I am in the UK, I am not a solicitor / attorney, this is not legal advice, I am simply sharing what I did. You should definitely speak to solicitors/attorneys in your area they will give you the process (thats exactly how i started. I knew nothing about the process and I could afford to go on these expensive property investment seminars and I managed to build a multi-million dollar portfolio without ever attending a property investment seminar, simply because I knew how to market online for leads and I was prepared to contact enough solicitor to piece together the process).

      I did what anyone else could have done. Nothing more and nothing special.

      I hope that helps.




      Originally Posted by Patrick Warren View Post

      Really interesting post thanks
      Thanks Patrick,

      Glad you like it my friend. Isn't offline consulting just the most awesome opportunity ever.

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  • Profile picture of the author kirbymurphy
    I found that Magic Bullets in Real Estate is a good resource for people that want to make money buying/selling/renting/flipping real estate.
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  • Profile picture of the author Abul-Hussain
    Great post, alas the days of bridging and mortgage express are over!
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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Hey Abul-Hussain,

      Thanks for your comments. I'm glad you liked the post.

      You're absolutely right about mortgage express. The idea I wanted to share was that in my experience having the skills to be able to market your ideas, services and products online, and also be approachable by local business owners, puts you in a very powerful position to notice opportunities that can change your life.

      Obviously you must act upon these opportunities to create wealth, not just notice them.

      I was involved in a letting agents back 10 years ago, but due to not having marketing skills back then, I didn't even notice the opportunity of buying property nor could i have acted upon it, like i did in 2007.

      I've found being in the web design and local business consulting industry that with internet marketing skills, that there are so many opportunities I had never even heard of, and many ways of making money that I didn't even think possible, many of these are shown to me by business owners who need help marketing. And many times I've formed strong JV relationships so everyone wins.

      All the best with your property ventures.


      Originally Posted by Abul-Hussain View Post

      Great post, alas the days of bridging and mortgage express are over!
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      • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Sopitan
        Hi, would like pm you but not as yet as a fresher.
        Mind if i could mail you somehow

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  • Profile picture of the author nrsworks
    Hello,

    do you have a course on your REI lead gen websites?

    In the USA agents, brokers, loan officers and investors are looking for Leads.
    I see a huge market for that in this new RE cycle.

    Pease advise.

    I have a marketing services company and a We buy-save houses company.

    Want to lauch a product as well that will help with the above to fill the need.

    TY,

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    • Profile picture of the author urmilp
      Hi there,

      Thanks for your comment.

      I don't have a course on REI lead gen websites at the moment. Its something that i've been meaning to do. When i get a bit of time I will definitely put one together.

      I was just over in the US last week discussing the property situation over there. I'm not looking to buy, but I know there are a lot of agents, brokers and investors looking to learn how to get leads.

      I'd love to put something together to help them, just need to find some time with all the other products I am currently working on. Let's connect via PM or email and see what we can do.

      Thanks

      Urmil


      Originally Posted by nrsworks View Post

      Hello,

      do you have a course on your REI lead gen websites?

      In the USA agents, brokers, loan officers and investors are looking for Leads.
      I see a huge market for that in this new RE cycle.

      Pease advise.

      I have a marketing services company and a We buy-save houses company.

      Want to lauch a product as well that will help with the above to fill the need.

      TY,

      E.
      (Erick)
      NRSWORKSicom
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  • Profile picture of the author ADukes81
    I had the privileged of meeting with Urmil when he was in Las Vegas last week. He was more than helpful with so many things. He took time out of his busy schedule to sit and talk with me for an hour and a half or so. He is a wealth of knowledge.

    Thanks again Urmil, I'll see you in June
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  • Profile picture of the author Emmanuel Sopitan
    Great Information here,
    I live in the South East of London.

    Dont mind coming to say hello to you when you are about in the area, urmil.

    Thanks
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