Is this a solution for content writing?

by xixna
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Hey, there are some softwares that can find articles that are no longer indexed in Google by scraping expired websites for their forgotten content. What happens if I submit one of these articles on my blog? Will google see it as original and is this good for SEO?
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  • Profile picture of the author agmccall
    Stealing articles is never a solution to writing articles. Just because something is not indexed in google does not mean it is free for the taking.

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    • Profile picture of the author Catherine Bueno
      Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

      Stealing articles is never a solution to writing articles. Just because something is not indexed in google does not mean it is free for the taking.

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      Anyway, if you find the content useful, why not make a good and original content out of it? I mean... it's not that hard.

      Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by xixna View Post

    Hey, there are some softwares that can find articles that are no longer indexed in Google by scraping expired websites for their forgotten content. What happens if I submit one of these articles on my blog? Will google see it as original and is this good for SEO?
    Even if a domain is no longer online, you would still be violating the copyright of the original owner.

    You can get sued.

    Other than that, no big deal...
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by alexthomson View Post

      If you're absolutely sure that content is not crawled by google or any other search engine. You can used it on your blog.
      Whether it is crawled by Google or not doesn't make it legal.
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  • Profile picture of the author memogli
    I don't suggest you to do this, because how you can say that this content is not crawled by any search engine? if not crawled then also that content have their own copyright and content flow. That will surely be representing the parent website. in this case you have to re-write it, spinning articles will not work in this case, So if you are going to spend time to re-write articles, its better to write your own. That will be more worth.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If you're absolutely sure that content is not crawled by google or any other search engine. You can used it on your blog.
    As said above - if stealing is what you do, go for it. Don't advise others to do the same.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevintperry
    However you look at it, there is absolutely no substitute for original content that you create yourself. I recently got behind on my blog, so I sent a few topics to a very well reviewed writer on Fiverr. What I got was good core content, but totally unreadable from a North American perspective. I now have to go through and rewrite them all, or pay another person to edit them for me.

    The moral of the story is don't take shortcuts!

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  • Profile picture of the author SEO Pearl
    You can use it on your own blog, but you remember for those contents are the reason for deindexed from Google. So better you will put your own and unique contents always on your blog.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      Yes, you can steal stuff. The question, I believe, was not about ability but about legality / morality/ usefulness. Not a great idea to build a site on stolen content only to find one day that your hosting company's pissed off at you coz the owner of the content's complained to them about you stealing their stuff. And you go to making $0.





      Originally Posted by alexthomson View Post

      If you're absolutely sure that content is not crawled by google or any other search engine. You can used it on your blog.
      Originally Posted by SEO Pearl View Post

      You can use it on your own blog, but you remember for those contents are the reason for deindexed from Google. So better you will put your own and unique contents always on your blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeremusic
    A straight answer to your question: NO, it's not a solution. It's a way to get in big trouble. I suggest: Write your own stuff in your own passionate way (best for SEO and original) or 2. find a reputable copywriter, you can ask for samples before you buy, but a ton of positive testimonials will tell. Find great content and ASK the owner if they're cool to have it on your blog, most will say yes if you credit/link back to them. When people read your stuff, believe me they can tell if it's a 'spun' (robot written) article and when I find a website like that I dump it. The fact is people buy from people and resonate with them as individuals.
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  • Profile picture of the author michaelkoehler92
    Yes you can do that easily just make sure that the article is not plagiarized, Since there would be several other webmasters doing the same.

    But I would suggest you not to use that content on money sites instead you can use that over PBN, web2.0 or buffer sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author DABK
      No, he/she/it/they cannot. Because it's stealing. What part of 'using someone's content without approval is stealing' do you not get?

      Originally Posted by michaelkoehler92 View Post

      Yes you can do that easily just make sure that the article is not plagiarized, Since there would be several other webmasters doing the same.

      But I would suggest you not to use that content on money sites instead you can use that over PBN, web2.0 or buffer sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author jeffronald19
    No...this will not be good for your site as you are stealing the information from other authors. Also google can mark your site as a span as per as the latest google tool can identify these type of threads.
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  • Profile picture of the author webby0031
    UPDATE: Copying work and SPINNING it to 100% unique still is picked up by google as pure shit. I dont know how but it does, ive done a lot of testing. Spun articles are a load of shit even for tier 2 3 now
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  • Profile picture of the author sprucevn
    If you have finance ability, you can hire a freelancer for creating content. But I think the best is you should write whaat you think according to your style to attract people reading it.
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  • Profile picture of the author hynds
    If you find the content is free to use, you can edit and re-use as you want. However, you should keep your new articles 80% difference from the original, so that Google will treat as are the 2 content different.
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  • We all wish that could have been so, but it doesn't matter if the page is no longer indexed by Google, the content is still owned by the original author. Besides, you should be able to churn out content easily with proper support or expertise.
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  • Profile picture of the author neiliusmaximus
    Definitely not the best way to go - it will do much more harm than. Quite aside from the legal implications that others have mentioned, and even if it's not indexed, you have to ask why it's on the scrap pile in the first place. Writing your own original content in an engaging way is a must! Or at least find a quality copywriter to do it for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Crazy Bad
    That's a clear copyright violation. It is bad enough that someone is rewriting your original content online and making more money that you do, what's worse is directly copying your content. Find the time to write the content on your niche site especially if you want to be known for your work.
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  • Profile picture of the author lindseysan494
    Just about everyone here has mentioned copyright/legal repercussions, but I understand what you're asking and it is an interesting question, although it wouldn't be considered a legit method of marketing your website.

    I am not aware of a service that will find scrapped pages, but any content that hasn't been ranked probably isn't very good content anyways. If you're looking for cheap content, you can go to Freelancer and post a request. You'll get plenty of talented writers that will work very cheap for you.
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  • Profile picture of the author ocomok
    Why would you want content from a site no longer indexed by Google? The site could have problems you didn't know and one of the reasons may be the content so if you directly copy that, won't you have the same problem? This is exactly why it is best to come up with your own unique content, your followers will appreciate it for sure and it would translate to good hard earned cash in the long run.
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  • Profile picture of the author James Clifton
    Please note that when you submit articles to your Wordpress blog then these articles will be indexed by Google automatically and every blog site has SEO techniques running on the backend. It's not a good idea to use expired content.

    Also, if an article is not indexed in Google due to expiration, the listing always remain in Google database and can match the expired content anytime which will lower the ranking on Google.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by James Clifton View Post

      Also, if an article is not indexed in Google due to expiration, the listing always remain in Google database and can match the expired content anytime which will lower the ranking on Google.

      Do you have proof of that? Google has never said such a thing. It is possible, but how do you know that?
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  • Hey, Always try to perform the organic technique and methods. Use the original contents for content writing. Stealing content is not the best method for Content writing.
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  • Profile picture of the author prakashmalhotra
    Paying for an article & submitting it in your website is ok. There is nothing illegal or spamming in it. But, make sure the content is of good quality & it contains the essence of the topic till the end then only it will be effective & produce some beneficial result at the end.
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    There are two questions you need to ask yourself:

    1) Is the content good?
    2) Was the content ever linked to?

    If both are true, you can definitely revive it, but certainly not by simply copying and pasting it nor by "spinning" it into a garbled, incoherent mess. It doesn't take a Rhodes scholar to re-write things in your own words, especially if you can make it a bit more current. If it had links, contact the places that are linking to the dead article and let them know of the new updated version of the article on your own website.
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  • Profile picture of the author greatwriter
    You will be stealing another person's work and this
    could have legal implications, so don't overlook that
    angle.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kherk Roldan
    Its a bad idea my friend. don't do it. stealing is a sin!
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  • Profile picture of the author hentis
    xixna hi there. Here is my 2 cents.
    Where do any writer/blogger/content creator get their information in the first place?
    There not one person on earth that just invent information.
    We all get information from someone else's past work. This is how we learn.
    Even a professor who writes his own text book, got his knowledge to a huge extend from other text books.

    BUT WE CAN NOT JUST COPY AND PASTE.

    You can rewrite those article completely, saying exactly the same things. It is not difficult. Every spoken language has multiple ways of saying the same thing.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Reading this thread, it's easy to see why content quality on many IM sites is so bad. If you take an article written by someone else - without permission - and publish it as your own....that is plagiarism. If you rewrite an article "complete, saying the exact same things" that is a derivative work and also may violate copyright.

    Seems many marketers think they get by with spinning and rewriting - and then they wonder why their site isn't doing well or why people don't buy from them.

    Originality and quality count - there's no way around that.
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    • Profile picture of the author hentis
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Reading this thread, it's easy to see why content quality on many IM sites is so bad. If you take an article written by someone else - without permission - and publish it as your own....that is plagiarism. If you rewrite an article "complete, saying the exact same things" that is a derivative work and also may violate copyright.

      Seems many marketers think they get by with spinning and rewriting - and then they wonder why their site isn't doing well or why people don't buy from them.

      Originality and quality count - there's no way around that.
      So where did you gain whatever knowledge you posses? Were you born with it? You mean to tell me you never gained ideas/knowledge from another web article and at some point used that knowledge in any of your content???????
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Why so rude?

    I "gained" what I know by learning it. Of course I used articles and books and forum posts to learn from - but I didn't rewrite other people's work.

    You can rewrite those article completely, saying exactly the same things.
    I've never done that - would never do that.

    Your arguments are not new - it's a different between learning a subject and writing from that bank of knowledge - and rewriting an article 'saying exactly the same things'....
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  • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
    I think people need to revisit the original question and notice that it is talking about content that is no longer indexed. If there is a way to find such content (I doubt there is), and you can re-write it in your owns words with your own spin and make it more current, it definitely will be seen by search engines as original content, which I believe is what the question was.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    What google does with "indexing" does not void copyright. That's the point.
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      What google does with "indexing" does not void copyright. That's the point.



      Granted OP is looking for trouble scraping content word for word but nobody has a copyright on a list of keywords from the same content.


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    • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      What google does with "indexing" does not void copyright. That's the point.
      Copyright is not an issue when you re-write content in your own words, interjecting your own fresh take on things and making it more current. If it was, 99% of every article you read about SEO would be "copyright infringement", since there is no more of a copycat industry on the planet.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Actually, the question was about posting 'found' articles on your site, not getting inspiration from them, not using them to learn something, not quoting them in support of a point the OP was/would be making.

        Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

        I think people need to revisit the original question and notice that it is talking about content that is no longer indexed. If there is a way to find such content (I doubt there is), and you can re-write it in your owns words with your own spin and make it more current, it definitely will be seen by search engines as original content, which I believe is what the question was.
        Your first version of this was not sufficiently extensive to convey that you mean it's okay to use existing articles to learn about a subject, then write on the subject.

        Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

        Copyright is not an issue when you re-write content in your own words, interjecting your own fresh take on things and making it more current. If it was, 99% of every article you read about SEO would be "copyright infringement", since there is no more of a copycat industry on the planet.
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        • Profile picture of the author dave_hermansen
          Originally Posted by DABK View Post

          Actually, the question was about posting 'found' articles on your site, not getting inspiration from them, not using them to learn something, not quoting them in support of a point the OP was/would be making.



          Your first version of this was not sufficiently extensive to convey that you mean it's okay to use existing articles to learn about a subject, then write on the subject.
          Yep, I get that, for sure. I wrote in previous responses in this thread how you cannot simply scrape things, so I agree with you there. What I was trying to point out AFTER those things were established is that, ignoring ethics, lawsuits, etc., getting the scraped content to rank would not be a problem if it was content that was good enough to actually rank and get backlinks to. If it is not indexed, it cannot be duplicate content in terms of what a robot can determine. Of course, I question whether it is possible to even find content that is not indexed (how on earth would you do that?). More important, if it is not indexed, there's probably a very good reason for that.

          Bottom Line: Yeah, if there was a way to find the invisible pages, it would not be seen as "duplicate content" since only indexed things can be duplicate. The long term legal consequences of doing such a thing would not make it a worthwhile endeavor and the chances of it being good enough to rank for anything when it wasn't even good enough to index make it a complete waste of time.
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      • Profile picture of the author hometutor
        Originally Posted by dave_hermansen View Post

        Copyright is not an issue when you re-write content in your own words, interjecting your own fresh take on things and making it more current. If it was, 99% of every article you read about SEO would be "copyright infringement", since there is no more of a copycat industry on the planet.
        Credit needs to be given to the original author

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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    And the point is...what? To start a new argument with a different focus?

    He asked about "scraping" article from sites and using them as his own....period.

    Others assume if google doesn't index a site - the site doesn't exist....
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      And the point is...what? To start a new argument with a different focus?

      He asked about "scraping" article from sites and using them as his own....period.

      Others assume if google doesn't index a site - the site doesn't exist....


      It wasn't an argument, it was an alternative.

      Nobody owns a list of keywords. OPs whole point of scraping content was for the relevant keywords. The order those keywords appear on a webpage isn't important. The text needs to make sense for traffic conversions but the webpages will still rank regardless.

      All of the text samples below could still rank in Google SERPs for Gettysburg Address search queries.



      Example 1:
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      Example 2:
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        True. But I think you're giving the OP too much credit. The OP, it seems to me, was merely wanting to know if copying articles from expired websites is a good idea from an SEO point of view, as in: will it hurt their SEO efforts (more in line with, will Google somehow still see the content copied on their site as duplicate of the content on the expired domain).

        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        It wasn't an argument, it was an alternative.

        Nobody owns a list of keywords. OPs whole point of scraping content was for the relevant keywords. The order those keywords appear on a webpage isn't important. The text needs to make sense for traffic conversions but the webpages will still rank regardless.

        All of the text samples below could still rank in Google SERPs for Gettysburg Address search queries.



        Example 1:
        a ago all and are brought conceived continent created dedicated equal fathers forth four in liberty men nation new on our proposition score seven that the this to years



        Example 2:
        score years fathers brought continent nation conceived liberty dedicated proposition men created equal



        Example 3:
        • score
        • years
        • fathers
        • brought
        • continent
        • nation
        • conceived
        • liberty
        • dedicated
        • proposition
        • men
        • created
        • equal
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          • Profile picture of the author DABK
            Good alternatives that are above some heads, though.

            Must dumb it down, Yukon. Start where they are, grab their hands, pull them up. Ain't you read up on enlightened despots yet?

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            I come bearing alternatives.
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  • Profile picture of the author Eagle07
    Originally Posted by xixna View Post

    Hey, there are some softwares that can find articles that are no longer indexed in Google by scraping expired websites for their forgotten content. What happens if I submit one of these articles on my blog? Will google see it as original and is this good for SEO?
    I am not promoting copied content but since you mentioned "scraping expired websites for their forgotten content"... the best way you could get an answer for this question is to test it yourself. Try it but make sure to be ready with the risks or better yet try some scraped contents in blogger blogs and if its great then take those contents that you want and have it in your blog
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  • Profile picture of the author hometutor
    Originally Posted by xixna View Post

    Hey, there are some softwares that can find articles that are no longer indexed in Google by scraping expired websites for their forgotten content. What happens if I submit one of these articles on my blog? Will google see it as original and is this good for SEO?
    Plagiarizing 101
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  • Profile picture of the author mattdicken
    Originally Posted by xixna View Post

    Hey, there are some softwares that can find articles that are no longer indexed in Google by scraping expired websites for their forgotten content. What happens if I submit one of these articles on my blog? Will google see it as original and is this good for SEO?
    If we always use and write unique content in place of duplicate content because now the time of panda, penguin,hummingbird world . That's why in seo content is necessary for promotion of your website.

    Thanks
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  • No that is not a solution for content writing. It's just a waste of time, unethical and won't meet google's quality content standards. It will also reflect badly on your business, especially if you are selling ebooks and any other content.
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  • Profile picture of the author CaraMooralian
    Hello friend,
    As you said that the article is not crawled by Google then you can use it. But, you must be edit it around 80% to 90% that will keep the new article different from the original one.
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  • If this piece of information interests you, it maybe a better idea to use it as a guideline and write your own piece on the same topic.
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