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Hey All - hope you are well?
Recently I have been reading about how to get your backlinks indexed etc.
Some say it is wise to allow Google to pick them up naturally, then others disagree.......... and say that you must have your backlinks pinged etc, so I am a little confused!
Can anyone advise me on this and point me in the right direction to services or techniques on how to do this.
Regards and thanks,
Luke
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  • Profile picture of the author prowler
    Hey Luke, I think just leave them to get found naturally... if they are posted on decent PR sites that are crawled often they'll get picked up quick enough
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    • Profile picture of the author DISCOUNT OFFER
      Originally Posted by prowler View Post

      Hey Luke, I think just leave them to get found naturally... if they are posted on decent PR sites that are crawled often they'll get picked up quick enough
      I totally agreed with Prowler........... leave it .......so that Google indexed in natural way.......
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      • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
        Originally Posted by NAVJOT SINGH View Post

        I totally agreed with Prowler........... leave it .......so that Google indexed in natural way.......
        WHY? Natural?

        How does an algo define ...."natural" ?
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  • Profile picture of the author ~kev~
    The best thing is - pay attention to your google webmaster tools and see which sites the links appear on.

    I have posted links in directories, and 4 years later the links still have not been indexed by google. The sites were not search engine friendly, or google did not link the types of links in the directory.

    Search engines find things, that is what they do. Let the search engines find your links.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikelDonel
    I Got Way to get backlinks indexed - When You build backlinks save the url in notepad and than open new acount in gmail , go to your personal acount and make new letter - in the letter put the url of the backlinks and send the letter to the new email that you opened,
    Go to your new gmail and open the new mail.
    how the backlinks will index ?
    Google write the mails of every gmail acount so if you will put your backlinks google will read them and than indexed them - in one day you backlinks will be indexed

    * Preferably up to 100 links
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    • Profile picture of the author blend
      Originally Posted by MikelDonel View Post

      I Got Way to get backlinks indexed - When You build backlinks save the url in notepad and than open new acount in gmail , go to your personal acount and make new letter - in the letter put the url of the backlinks and send the letter to the new email that you opened,
      Go to your new gmail and open the new mail.
      how the backlinks will index ?
      Google write the mails of every gmail acount so if you will put your backlinks google will read them and than indexed them - in one day you backlinks will be indexed

      * Preferably up to 100 links
      You sure that works?...
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    • Profile picture of the author NovaPagina
      Originally Posted by MikelDonel View Post

      I Got Way to get backlinks indexed - When You build backlinks save the url in notepad and than open new acount in gmail , go to your personal acount and make new letter - in the letter put the url of the backlinks and send the letter to the new email that you opened,
      Go to your new gmail and open the new mail.
      how the backlinks will index ?
      Google write the mails of every gmail acount so if you will put your backlinks google will read them and than indexed them - in one day you backlinks will be indexed

      * Preferably up to 100 links
      I tried this a long time ago and its just a myth that doesn't work at all
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      • Profile picture of the author blend
        Originally Posted by NovaPagina View Post

        I tried this a long time ago and its just a myth that doesn't work at all
        I was thinking the same!
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    • Profile picture of the author xaby
      Originally Posted by MikelDonel View Post

      I Got Way to get backlinks indexed - When You build backlinks save the url in notepad and than open new acount in gmail , go to your personal acount and make new letter - in the letter put the url of the backlinks and send the letter to the new email that you opened,
      Go to your new gmail and open the new mail.
      how the backlinks will index ?
      Google write the mails of every gmail acount so if you will put your backlinks google will read them and than indexed them - in one day you backlinks will be indexed

      * Preferably up to 100 links
      did you test this? are you absolutely certain this works?
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  • Profile picture of the author chamaltatis
    Hey there, are you trying to make a backlink for your website? It's true that making auto backlinking is no longer good since google is penalizing those ways for now. You can still however manually make backlinks. There are many ways you can do here. You write articles and submit them to article directories and add backlinks going to your site. You can also find some blogs related to your niche and add a link going to your site. Lastly you can bookmark your links through social networks like facebook and twitter. Just do it naturally and surely your site will be indexed.
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    The best way is backlinking your backlinks, increasing the chance that your links are found -make something like a simple 2 tier link pyramid which i described here.

    The key is to have a smaller number of links and backlink to them with a higher number of links, like 10 backlinks on web2.0 etc site...and then use 100 or more other links and link back to them to significantly increase chances that the links are indexed.

    In addition, it also looks natural. I dont "force index" links..simply increase number of links.
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  • Profile picture of the author netcatapult
    I agree with going the natural route... this is always best as the search engines will find your links fairly quickly anyway. Regarding pinging, you should use this strategy to alert the search engines that your page has been updated.
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  • Profile picture of the author backendbuddy
    If you have no hurry, leave them for natural indexing. If you want 'impact', go for pinging them. Its simple. Further, pinging makes sure that the Google indexing all the backlinks you have. thanks, Luke.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kai Pei
    Checkout backlinksenergizer.com

    You can easily find some videos on YouTube if you'd like to see a demo of how it works.
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    • Profile picture of the author NovaPagina
      Originally Posted by Kai Pei View Post

      Checkout backlinksenergizer.com

      You can easily find some videos on YouTube if you'd like to see a demo of how it works.
      Now that is a tool i have been meaning to try for some time just trying to find a couple of reviews first to see if its remotely legit
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  • Profile picture of the author Luke Rafferty
    thanks all for getting back with good advice. it seems that the natural route is best so that what I am going to do. the process of linking to your backlinks makes logical sense so will try that (thx GeorgeR). thanks again, regards Luke
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  • Profile picture of the author dailyseo
    try to submit your links in some social bookmarking websites
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  • Profile picture of the author kkchoon
    Originally Posted by Luke Rafferty View Post

    Hey All - hope you are well?
    Recently I have been reading about how to get your backlinks indexed etc.
    Some say it is wise to allow Google to pick them up naturally, then others disagree.......... and say that you must have your backlinks pinged etc, so I am a little confused!
    Can anyone advise me on this and point me in the right direction to services or techniques on how to do this.
    Regards and thanks,
    Luke
    Total Newbie
    Hi Luke,

    I think there are too many noise and confusing suggestion around, allow me to explain more in details...

    Yes, one or few backlinks that had links from the home page would be very easy for Google to find and index them; but what if you have a lot of backlinks that buried deep under pages without direct links from the home page?

    There are many free link crawling tools, and pinging them is one way to notify Google to come and crawl them.

    Here are 2 of the most popular RSS based link crawling service, both had free account available:

    1. Nuclear Link Crawler
    2. Linklicious

    Just sign up an account, upload your backlinks and the system will help you notify Google to crawl and index your backlinks.

    If you want better index rate, try Nuclear Link Indexer or BacklinksIndexer, both charge higher for indexing your backlinks because they build backlinks to your backlink!

    or if you prefer to build your own network, try:

    1. Backlink Index Express
    2. Backlink Energizer

    Just use any kind of tools to get them at least crawl, I don't really believe in "natural indexing", that's too slow and out of control, especially when you have 10,000 backlinks to index!

    More information about crawling vs indexing : http://www.seospeedsight.com/seoforu...ct-my-ranking/

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  • Profile picture of the author MarketerINC
    Use some free pinging tool to index your backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author warrich
    To get your backlinks indexed you need to do nothing actually. The good way to have fast indexing is to have a good number of high PR and regularly visited sites link to you. As they are important they will be crawled regularly. If they have your link then chances are highly likely that your link will be crawled along with all the rest.
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  • Profile picture of the author medicareprodct
    Search Engines have own algo. to indexed website. So leave them to get found naturally. Moreover you can perform bookmarking of your backlinks on 4-5 site that'll help...
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    • Profile picture of the author xsalvador
      I haven't heard anyone giving the ping-bookmark-rss method on this post, so here goes:

      Creating backlinks to your backlinks works as a lever, and carries a harder punch to get your liks noticed and pass link juice to your site. It is true that all your links do not have to be indexed to pass the juice, but the more links to your links, the stronger ther lever. So first get all your links and ping them. Then, you want make bookmarks with separate accounts to all of them, and since you can create several links in each bookmark account this shouldn't be a problem; you can use BMD to help you with this. Then get all of those bookmarks and make an rss feed of them; rssrobot is a cheap solution or go to the site links2rss. Then, ping those rss feeds and you should be good to go.

      I use Scrapebox to check a mass list of indexed vs. non-indexed. Another cool trick if you have a subscribtion to senuke, sick or magic submitter is you can setup these tasks to work on auto, just remember to spread the submissions over days(I use 10 days) so it doesn't look like a huge wave of links coming in. Patience is the key.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4morereferrals
      Originally Posted by medicareprodct View Post

      Search Engines have own algo. to indexed website. So leave them to get found naturally. Moreover you can perform bookmarking of your backlinks on 4-5 site that'll help...

      Thats quite a bit of work just for link indexing - how do you do that if your making 1000's of links per day?

      Gotta get some automation mate.
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  • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
    Question for the pros...

    I have a large product review site and I don't naturally generate backlinks to my individual review posts (except for guys who steal my RSS feed for their autoblogs).

    I have about 31 different anchor texts I'm using for backlinking to the index page.

    How important is it to build links to your individual content pages while you are aggressively building backlinks to your index page?
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    • Profile picture of the author Melissa82
      It's all about looking natural to the search engines so only having backlinks to your index page is either looks like an extreme oddity or unnatural. So yes, always backlink your inner pages. I usually link my inner pages first and then concentrate my efforts on my index page.
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      • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
        Originally Posted by Melissa82 View Post

        It's all about looking natural to the search engines so only having backlinks to your index page is either looks like an extreme oddity or unnatural. So yes, always backlink your inner pages. I usually link my inner pages first and then concentrate my efforts on my index page.
        Thanks.

        I've got writers churning out 20 pages a day on average, so easier said than done I guess lol...

        How would you go about building links to that many pages each day?
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

          Thanks.

          I've got writers churning out 20 pages a day on average, so easier said than done I guess lol...

          How would you go about building links to that many pages each day?

          Here is the easy way for internal links.

          Most folks only build links to their Index page which is just plain silly IMO.

          Build links to any/all pages that you have to have ranked in the SERPs. All of the pages should be indexed in the SERPs, but they won't rank on their own (you need links).

          The way I handle internal pages...

          I group my internal pages just like a chapter in a book.

          Pick a single page in that group of pages (all 100% related), now internal link all those pages with anchor-text. The goal is to point all the internal links in that group at the single page your trying to rank (in the group).

          Next build a few external high PR backlinks with anchor-text pointing at the single page your trying to rank (in that group).

          Pick the next keyword, start a new group of pages & repeat the whole process of linking.

          You'll end up with multiple SERP listings for each group of keywords, in the SERPs.
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          • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
            Thanks for the awesome tip.

            As for the external linking, do you recommend using blog network posts?



            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            Here is the easy way for internal links.

            Most folks only build links to their Index page which is just plain silly IMO.

            Build links to any/all pages that you have to have ranked in the SERPs. All of the pages should be indexed in the SERPs, but they won't rank on their own (you need links).

            The way I handle internal pages...

            I group my internal pages just like a chapter in a book.

            Pick a single page in that group of pages (all 100% related), now internal link all those pages with anchor-text. The goal is to point all the internal links in that group at the single page your trying to rank (in the group).

            Next build a few external high PR backlinks with anchor-text pointing at the single page your trying to rank (in that group).

            Pick the next keyword, start a new group of pages & repeat the whole process of linking.

            You'll end up with multiple SERP listings for each group of keywords, in the SERPs.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melissa82
      I have a large list of quality blog URL's that I've had success with that get indexed naturally. I gathered them through trial and error using Scrapebox. Outside of blog comments I usually just buy them. Whatever speed you decide to add backlinks just always remember to keep it steady for at least three months before reducing. You never want a single blast and then do nothing. Again, that does not look natural.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melissa82
      Yukon, with that method you can only pick one internal page to promote at a time if I understand you correctly. Once you move on to the next page you have to change your internal link to the next page also. Unless you keep the original internal link but in that case you'll end up with every internal page linking with every internal page which is what I do from the outset. Please clarify thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Melissa82 View Post

        Yukon, with that method you can only pick one internal page to promote at a time if I understand you correctly. Once you move on to the next page you have to change your internal link to the next page also. Unless you keep the original internal link but in that case you'll end up with every internal page linking with every internal page which is what I do from the outset. Please clarify thanks.
        I would advise not do that.

        The reason is, your pages are better off keeping them in a very tight group of 100% related pages.

        If you keep that group of pages very tight, your almost guranteed to get double/triple listings in Google SERPs for your exact keyword. Double/triple SERP listings almost always end up on page #1 in Google SERPs, even with weak external backlinks & depending on competitions strength. The double/triple SERP listings per keyword also depends on how tough the competition is (Google isn't going to give everyone on page #1 in the SERPs triple listings). If your targeting a keyword & only 1 or 2 competition is already targeting & ranking for the same keyword, then chances are very high that you will get double/triple SERP listings by simply keeping the group of internal pages very tight with internal keyword anchor-text links.

        You don't see a lot of people doing this (tight internal linking) which is an advantage for us.

        As an example.

        The goal is to:

        1) Build a single web page you want to rank in the SERPs for college grants.

        2) Next, build 9 supporting internal pages to help boost the single internal page we are actually trying to rank. These 9 pages only exist to support the page we actually want to rank in Google SERPs. Once the single target page is ranked, the other 9 pages will compete for the double/triple listings (per keyword).

        Just like a general in the Army, he is nothing without thousands of men/women to help support him/her. Granted we don't need thousands of pages to support a keyword/internal-page, just trying to make a point that internal support/pages/links will go a long way in the SERPs when doing on-page seo.

        Once you get the hang of saying to yourself, I have a new keyword/page I want this site to rank for, so I need to create/outsource 10 new content pages (1 page to rank, 9 pages to support), it's actually pretty simple.

        Most people build a single page & try to rank that page, sure it can be done, but any double/triple listings in the SERPs for a single page are probably just luck & not intentional. Ask yourself which is easier, creating external backlinks on sites you don't own, or creating new pages on your own site?

        We have 100% control over our own sites pages, might as well take full advantage of it's potential with some simple planning.

        Even with an old site that doesn't already take advantage of this hardcore internal linking, build 9+ pages of new content/pages & point internal links with anchor-text at the old page, watch what happens in the SERPs when Google finds those new very tightly grouped internal pages.

        I've done this on brand new domains/sites & no joke, 2 days later had triple listings for my exact keyword. The test sites were easy to rank keywords & had zero external backlinks. I've also done the same double/triple SERP listings per keyword on competitive keywords, with competitive keywords you still need external backlinks for an extra boost in the SERPs.

        Thing is though, If you only have a few (20-30) quality external links + this tight internal linking, most times you'll see some awesome results in the SERPs.
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        • Profile picture of the author finne
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I would advise not do that.

          The reason is, your pages are better off keeping them in a very tight group of 100% related pages.

          If you keep that group of pages very tight, your almost guranteed to get double/triple listings in Google SERPs for your exact keyword. double/triple SERP listings almost always end up on page #1 in Google SERPs, even with weak external backlinks. The double/triple SERP listings per keyword also depends on how tough the competition is (Google isn't going to give everyone on page #1 in the SERPs triple listings). If your targeting a keyword & only 1 or 2 competition is already targeting & ranking for the same keyword, then chances are very high that you will get double/triple SERP listings by simply keeping the group of internal pages very tight with internal keyword anchor-text links.

          You don't see a lot of people doing this (tight internal linking) which is an advantage for us.

          As an example.

          The goal is to:

          1) Build a single web page you want to rank in the SERPs for college grants.

          2) Next, build 9 supporting internal pages to help boost the single internal page we are actually trying to rank. These 9 pages only exist to support the page we actually want to rank in Google SERPs. Once the single target page is ranked, the other 9 pages will compete for the double/triple listings (per keyword).

          Just like a general in the Army, he is nothing without thousands of men/women to help support him/her. Granted we don't need thousands of pages to support a keyword/internal-page, just trying to make a point that internal support/pages/links will go a long way in the SERPs when doing on-page seo.

          Once you get the hang of saying to yourself, I have a new keyword/page I want this site to rank for, so I need to create/outsource 10 new content pages (1 page to rank, 9 pages to support), it's actually pretty simple.

          Most people build a single page & try to rank that page, sure it can be done, but any double/triple listings in the SERPs for a single page are probably just luck & not intentional. Ask yourself which is easier, creating external backlinks on sites you don't own, or creating new pages on your own site?

          We have 100% control over our own sites pages, might as well take full advantage of it's potential with some simple planning.

          Even with an old site that doesn't already take advantage of this hardcore internal linking, build 9+ pages of new content/pages & point internal links with anchor-text at the old page, watch what happens in the SERPs when Google finds those new very tightly grouped internal pages.

          I've done this on brand new domains/sites & no joke, 2 days later had triple listings for my exact keyword. The test sites were easy to rank keywords & had zero external backlinks. I've also done the same double/triple SERP listings per keyword on competitive keywords, with competitive keywords you still need external backlinks for an extra boost in the SERPs.

          Thing is though, If you only have a few (20-30) quality external links + this tight internal linking, most times you'll see some awesome results in the SERPs.
          great! this is gold! Im just starting and thats what im already doing kind of naturally. growing related content around themes.

          A Question yukon! Do you think that this works also with subdomains?
          A website about a very broad theme like electronics and then subdomains about lets say mobile phones, tv's, dvd's..

          - linking from main domain to subdomains and back.(menu - navigation)
          - then building pages around the subdomain to support the topic of the subdomain. interlink these pages wherever it makes sense.(as its one topic prob. often)
          - then interlink to other subdomains whenever there is a match between them(like one subdomain about tv's and another subdomain about dvd's)
          - rinse and repeat.

          Geting as much pages listed in the serps targeting as much keywords as possible...
          I always see the big sites having sometimes 6 subdomains listed in serps under their main page.
          I really want to use subdomains cause my domain is a brandname(my own).

          you think this deep interlinking approach is possible with subdomains?
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by finne View Post

            great! this is gold! Im just starting and thats what im already doing kind of naturally. growing related content around themes.

            A Question yukon! Do you think that this works also with subdomains?
            A website about a very broad theme like electronics and then subdomains about lets say mobile phones, tv's, dvd's..

            - linking from main domain to subdomains and back.(menu - navigation)
            - then building pages around the subdomain to support the topic of the subdomain. interlink these pages wherever it makes sense.(as its one topic prob. often)
            - then interlink to other subdomains whenever there is a match between them(like one subdomain about tv's and another subdomain about dvd's)
            - rinse and repeat.

            Geting as much pages listed in the serps targeting as much keywords as possible...
            I always see the big sites having sometimes 6 subdomains listed in serps under their main page.
            I really want to use subdomains cause my domain is a brandname(my own).

            you think this deep interlinking approach is possible with subdomains?
            To be honest it would have to be a huge site (thousands of pages) before I started considering sub-domains.

            You can still keyword theme a group of pages, plus have multiple categories.

            Example Category TV:
            • LCD HDTV (landing page)
              • Vizio (supporting page)
              • Panasonic (supporting page)
              • LG (supporting page)
            • Plasma HDTV (landing page)
              • LG (supporting page)
              • Toshiba (supporting page)
              • Pioneer (supporting page)
            • LED HDTV (landing page)
              • Panasonic (supporting page)
              • Samsung (supporting page)
              • Sony (supporting page)

            Example Category DVD:
            • Action & Adventure (landing page)
              • Crime Action (supporting page)
              • Action-Adventure (supporting page)
              • Superheroes (supporting page)
            • Comedy (landing page)
              • Parody & Spoof (supporting page)
              • Romantic Comedy (supporting page)
              • Sitcoms (supporting page)
            • Music Videos (landing page)
              • Country (supporting page)
              • Hard Rock & Metal (supporting page)
              • Jazz (supporting page)

            You can nest categories as deep as you need to go, it just depends how specific you want to get with your root keyword.

            BTW, look at how Amazon creates tightly themed groups of pages, they have awesome site structure (on a large scale).

            The further you dig into their left sidebar Nav. the more specific/targeted their keywords get.
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            • Profile picture of the author finne
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              To be honest it would have to be a huge site (thousands of pages) before I started considering sub-domains.

              You can still keyword theme a group of pages, plus have multiple categories.

              Example Category TV:
              • LCD HDTV (landing page)
                • Vizio (supporting page)
                • Panasonic (supporting page)
                • LG (supporting page)
              • Plasma HDTV (landing page)
                • LG
                • Toshiba
                • Pioneer
              • LED HDTV (landing page)
                • Panasonic (supporting page)
                • Samsung (supporting page)
                • Sony (supporting page)

              Example Category DVD:
              • Action & Adventure (landing page)
                • Crime Action (supporting page)
                • Action-Adventure (supporting page)
                • Superheroes (supporting page)
              • Comedy (landing page)
                • Parody & Spoof (supporting page)
                • Romantic Comedy (supporting page)
                • Sitcoms (supporting page)
              • Music Videos (landing page)
                • Country (supporting page)
                • Hard Rock & Metal (supporting page)
                • Jazz (supporting page)

              You can nest categories as deep as you need to go, it just depends how specific you want to get with your root keyword.

              BTW, look at how Amazon creates tightly themed groups of pages, they have awesome site structure (on a large scale).

              The further you dig into their left sidebar Nav. the more specific/targeted their keywords get.
              man exactly what I want to do. This gives me even more confidence to do what I will do.

              I think when we just look at wikipedia and amazon and mix what they do we have a good formula for success as both are absolutely dominating no matter what update google is running.
              For specific keywords we(seo) can do it even better.

              Im aiming a very big site all about electronics and I think when I use only white hat seo I wont have a problem concentrating on one website.
              Regarding subdomains..
              You always here about subdomains are bad and count as a new site but I never heard this from google. If I manage to tell through clean code and themed interlinking what my site is about and why I use subdomains then google should understand. google is my friend not my enemy

              Think big ftw!
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        • Profile picture of the author Daedalus
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          I've done this on brand new domains/sites & no joke, 2 days later had triple listings for my exact keyword. The test sites were easy to rank keywords & had zero external backlinks.
          I can confirm this, I've tested it on a moderate/hard keyword and it works. Google is getting smarted and making real related posts groups is something that is becoming more and more important for on-page SEO in my opinion.
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      • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
        Originally Posted by Dex88 View Post

        Have you tried link building through BMR (buildmyrank)? it is one of the most effective methods today.
        I've been outsourcing all linkbuilding and it's all mostly blog networks like that they're using.
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        • Profile picture of the author phillipejorrand
          Originally Posted by JasonParker View Post

          I've been outsourcing all linkbuilding and it's all mostly blog networks like that they're using.
          Hi,
          I always read that seo experts here are "outsourcing" the backlinking part. I'm new to this and would highly appreciate if someone can redirect me to how to outsource this and how much it costs?
          Do you use a service in a company or recruit someone from india for example to do the backlinks for you on a list of sites you provide to him? If this is the case, how to protect the list of sites you are using?

          Thanks.
          Phillipe
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          • Profile picture of the author JasonParker
            Originally Posted by phillipejorrand View Post

            Hi,
            I always read that seo experts here are "outsourcing" the backlinking part. I'm new to this and would highly appreciate if someone can redirect me to how to outsource this and how much it costs?
            Do you use a service in a company or recruit someone from india for example to do the backlinks for you on a list of sites you provide to him? If this is the case, how to protect the list of sites you are using?

            Thanks.
            Phillipe
            I'm no seo expert.

            I spend more time doing a few things than learning many things.

            I don't really go the cheapest route with outsourcing, but I do go for people who are good and dependable.

            There are some BMR writers in the warriors for hire section.

            I'm paying 1.17 per article from someone in there.
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      BTW, I just installed the Similar Posts plugin... seems to do a good job of interlinking posts with similar posts for me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Melissa82
      Thanks Yukon, I will try out your method. I have a site with 30 pages and I have geared it so five pages will rank (one main page and five supporting x 5 = 30 pages). I admit I do have all five main pages linked to each other. According to your strategy I will remove all other internal links of the five supporting and just link to the main page.

      If that's correct (I know it's 5 and not 9 pages as you suggest) then I will begin the implementation.

      Great advice Yukon, I hope it works!
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by Melissa82 View Post

        Thanks Yukon, I will try out your method. I have a site with 30 pages and I have geared it so five pages will rank (one main page and five supporting x 5 = 30 pages). I admit I do have all five main pages linked to each other. According to your strategy I will remove all other internal links of the five supporting and just link to the main page.

        If that's correct (I know it's 5 and not 9 pages as you suggest) then I will begin the implementation.

        Great advice Yukon, I hope it works!
        Just make sure the keyword is in all the page titles for the whole group of pages, no matter how many pages are in the group. Keyword in the URL & <h1> are a bonus, I would also take advantage of that.

        You don't want all the pages in the group to have the same page title (bad idea) they still need the root keyword in each page title (has to be included).

        Mix the page titles up a bit, but still keep them laser focused on the page your trying to rank. Also keep the page titles short & to the point.

        Example, root keyword I'm trying to rank (swing sets):

        [internal page title - page we want ranked in Google SERPs]
        1) Swings Sets

        [internal supporting page titles]
        2) Wooden Swing Set Kits

        3) Outdoor Swing Sets For Backyards

        4) Swing Sets and Playhouses - Outdoor Fun

        5) Durable Swing Sets for 2012

        6) Swings for Indoor Play Sets

        7) etc...

        I could have been more creative with the above page titles, my point here is keep everything short, simple, & very relevant.

        Point internal keyword anchor-text from pages 2-6 at page #1, the page we want to rank.

        Keep it simple & very focused with the internal linking, always use keyword anchor-text when linking.
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        • Profile picture of the author mbmehmet
          Great thread guys, special thanks to Yukon for that great advice.

          Don't mean to hijack but could you clarify something Yukon please.

          You say anchor text link 2-6 to the main page we want ranked, I am clear on that, but should that main page link to those 2-6 pages in some way back or do those 2-6 pages need to link to each other? Or is it just as simple as pointing anchor links from 2-6 to the main page as you say?

          lol Sorry if I have caused confusion, just want to absorb as much as I can.

          Appreciated :-)
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by mbmehmet View Post

            Great thread guys, special thanks to Yukon for that great advice.

            Don't mean to hijack but could you clarify something Yukon please.

            You say anchor text link 2-6 to the main page we want ranked, I am clear on that, but should that main page link to those 2-6 pages in some way back or do those 2-6 pages need to link to each other? Or is it just as simple as pointing anchor links from 2-6 to the main page as you say?

            lol Sorry if I have caused confusion, just want to absorb as much as I can.

            Appreciated :-)
            Sorry I missed this comment, I see from the date it's been a while since you posted this.

            Linking back & forth inside the group of keyword pages isn't going to hurt anything, just keep the link count as low as possible, only link If it makes sense & is 100% related.

            Use anchor-text for the keywords, also an ideal internal link would have the keyword on the backlink page anchor-text, & the page title of the page that the internal link is pointing at.
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        • Profile picture of the author outwest
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          Just make sure the keyword is in all the page titles for the whole group of pages, no matter how many pages are in the group. Keyword in the URL & <h1> are a bonus, I would also take advantage of that.

          You don't want all the pages in the group to have the same page title (bad idea) they still need the root keyword in each page title (has to be included).

          Mix the page titles up a bit, but still keep them laser focused on the page your trying to rank. Also keep the page titles short & to the point.

          Example, root keyword I'm trying to rank (swing sets):

          [internal page title - page we want ranked in Google SERPs]
          1) Swings Sets

          [internal supporting page titles]
          2) Wooden Swing Set Kits

          3) Outdoor Swing Sets For Backyards

          4) Swing Sets and Playhouses - Outdoor Fun

          5) Durable Swing Sets for 2012

          6) Swings for Indoor Play Sets

          7) etc...

          I could have been more creative with the above page titles, my point here is keep everything short, simple, & very relevant.

          Point internal keyword anchor-text from pages 2-6 at page #1, the page we want to rank.

          Keep it simple & very focused with the internal linking, always use keyword anchor-text when linking.

          Hi Yukon I have a question what is the anchor text of the outbound links on the supporting pages pointing to the Main swing set Page?
          Is it just "swing sets"
          Also does the swing Set page also link back to those supporting pages with the anchor text that is their title of the supporting pages? in other words each page uses anchor text on outgoing links , which is the kw of the page being linked to?

          I think what you are doing is called SILO'ing your site
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          • Profile picture of the author Loloy Diango
            Hi Yukon,

            Very glad I came upon this thread. You have some really valuable info going on here.

            Quick question: I have recent posts on my sidebar and related posts below each post/article on my site. How will your strategy affect this type of internal linking?
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            • Profile picture of the author yukon
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              Originally Posted by Loloy Diango View Post

              Hi Yukon,

              Very glad I came upon this thread. You have some really valuable info going on here.

              Quick question: I have recent posts on my sidebar and related posts below each post/article on my site. How will your strategy affect this type of internal linking?
              If all the recent post in the sidebar are in the same category that's all good, chances are that's not happening (most blogs). When you start mixing in unrelated pages it just dilutes what your trying to accomplish (tightly grouped pages).

              The related post are good, just make sure their actually related for what your trying to rank for.

              If the keyword your trying to rank for is "swing sets", make sure that keyword is in the related post & preferably in the page title of the related post, or at least some variation of the root keyword so the group of pages stay themed. Example, a related page title might include the keyword slide (most swing sets include a slide).

              If you can't squeeze the root keyword into a supporting page, make it a point to use the root keyword in the blog post.

              Example supporting page:

              Page Title: "Play Slides Recalled in Texas"

              Content: "Dallas Texas based manufacturer Xinc. recalls 20,000 slides packaged with Hasbro play sets. Parents are asked to contact ..."
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          • Profile picture of the author yukon
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            Originally Posted by outwest View Post

            Hi Yukon I have a question what is the anchor text of the outbound links on the supporting pages pointing to the Main swing set Page?
            Is it just "swing sets"
            Also does the swing Set page also link back to those supporting pages with the anchor text that is their title of the supporting pages? in other words each page uses anchor text on outgoing links , which is the kw of the page being linked to?

            I think what you are doing is called SILO'ing your site
            Yes, I use the keyword I'm trying to rank (swing sets) as the anchor-text pointing at the "swing sets" landing page, which is the main page for that keyword I'm trying to rank in the SERPs.

            Yes, it's pretty much a silo.

            If I'm trying to rank "swing sets" I'm going to have the anchor-text the same keywords, no matter If the link is on-page or off-page. I know some guys say they diversify keyword anchor-text, I've never experienced proof that it matters (diversifying anchor-text) so I'm still running the same anchor-text per page/keyword that I want to rank.

            The way I diversify is, new keyword equals new landing page.
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    • Profile picture of the author iamnotfrankkern
      I usually backlink my main page and inner pages both. The inner pages are usually targeted to specific keywords that are more longtail and the main page is usually targeted toward the bigger keywords.
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    • Profile picture of the author Fernando1954
      Yukons method works great,been doing it on my ecommerce site for last 4 weeks been getting triple serp places on same page.

      I make the catagory page the main page keyword rich title then the product page links to the cat page and to another related product page in that catagory.

      The best thing is sales are taking off having those extra listing appearing in serps
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    • Profile picture of the author AndyBlackSEO
      When you look at the top 10 results for some competitive keywords... there are only about 30 - 50% of the total backlinks that point to the index page. You rarely see top sites in a competitive niche with most or ALL of the links pointing to the root.

      I would say.. spread the links around a bit and build some links to your inner pages. Maybe choose some of your most important ones and focus on them.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alex Barboza
      Interesting. So yu don't recommend linking every page from every page. That means no recent posts in the sidebar, right? And whata bout categories? Do you have a static page as home page or latest posts?

      Great discussion here
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    • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
      Hi Yukon,

      I have a question to ask about using tight internal linking for local keyword phrases.

      I'm trying to rank for 30+ keyword phrases in a city, some of which are kind of redundant/repetitive but they are keyword phrases I want to rank for nonetheless.

      I would like to rank for ALL the following local keyword phrases but I'm not certain what kind of content I should write for each page and which page should be the main page and which pages the supporting pages since some of them are repetitive; and I've already grouped them together:

      auto wreckers in (city)
      auto wrecker (city)
      (city) auto wreckers
      (city) auto wreckers
      auto wreckers (city)
      auto wrecker (city)
      (city) auto wrecker

      auto recyclers (city)
      auto recyclers (city)
      car recycling (city)
      (city) auto recyclers
      scrap car (city)
      auto recycling (city)

      (city) auto salvage
      (city) automobile salvage
      auto salvage (city)
      auto salvage (city)
      salvage auto (city)
      car salvage (city)

      buy junk cars (city)
      junk a car (city)
      we buy cars (city)
      junk car buyers (city)
      junk auto buyers (city)

      cash for clunkers (city)
      (city) cash for clunkers

      cash for cars (city, state spelled out)
      cash for car (city)
      cash for car (city)

      junk car removal (city, state)
      junk car removal (city, state spelled)

      sell junk car (city)
      sell my car (city)
      sell car (city)
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
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        Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

        Hi Yukon,

        I have a question to ask about using tight internal linking for local keyword phrases.

        I'm trying to rank for 30+ keyword phrases in a city, some of which are kind of redundant/repetitive but they are keyword phrases I want to rank for nonetheless.

        I would like to rank for ALL the following local keyword phrases but I'm not certain what kind of content I should write for each page and which page should be the main page and which pages the supporting pages since some of them are repetitive; and I've already grouped them together:

        auto wreckers in (city)
        auto wrecker (city)
        (city) auto wreckers
        (city) auto wreckers
        auto wreckers (city)
        auto wrecker (city)
        (city) auto wrecker

        auto recyclers (city)
        auto recyclers (city)
        car recycling (city)
        (city) auto recyclers
        scrap car (city)
        auto recycling (city)

        (city) auto salvage
        (city) automobile salvage
        auto salvage (city)
        auto salvage (city)
        salvage auto (city)
        car salvage (city)

        buy junk cars (city)
        junk a car (city)
        we buy cars (city)
        junk car buyers (city)
        junk auto buyers (city)

        cash for clunkers (city)
        (city) cash for clunkers

        cash for cars (city, state spelled out)
        cash for car (city)
        cash for car (city)

        junk car removal (city, state)
        junk car removal (city, state spelled)

        sell junk car (city)
        sell my car (city)
        sell car (city)
        When you start targeting local keywords you have to consider that the Google 7-pack will almost always be showing in the SERPs for your keyword. So the local keyword almost always has built in extra competition.

        You need to break down your keyword list into small groups, then do the research & decide which is the most important keyword you want to rank for.

        In this example I'll assume that the keyword (city) auto wreckers gets the most traffic as a local keyword, plural tends to see more traffic according to GKT from what I've seen in the past with my own keywords.

        You do need to add more varity to your supporting pages & still keep it themed.

        Here is a tip that might help:

        1) Search Google for your root keyword, the keyword/page you want to rank.

        2) Open all the competition sites ranking on page #1 in Google SERPs in new browser tabs.

        3) View the source code of the top ranking competition pages & copy all their META-Keywords into a text file. Sort the new keywords to get new ideas for supporting pages.

        [note]
        When scraping META-Keywords look at very competitive cities, like Chicago, Dallas, Denver, etc... like this, denver auto wreckers. Notice all the easy keyword phrases from only the top two pages ranking in the Denver search.

        This is an easy way to get unlimited new & related keywords. Your competition ranking #1 in the SERPs for the same keywords in big cities has already done the research, might as well take advantage of their research.

        Site #1
        auto parts stores
        used auto parts
        auto parts warehouse
        used auto parts search
        used car parts
        sell a junk car colorado
        used auto parts denver
        used auto parts colorado
        used auto parts online
        used auto parts locator
        foreign auto parts denver
        domestic auto parts denver
        auto parts denver
        used engines
        used transmissions
        sell a junk car denver
        junkyard denver
        salvage yard denver

        Site #2
        used auto parts denver
        recycled auto parts
        used truck parts
        used wheels
        used engines
        used transmissions
        used doors
        used body parts
        recycled glass
        recycled auto body parts
        recycled truck beds
        used truck beds
        used truck hoods
        used truck lights
        recycled auto suspension
        used suspension
        used trunk lids
        used auto parts denver metro area
        used truck parts denver area

        • Denver Auto Wreckers (landing page)
          • Used Auto Parts Denver Metro Area (supporting page)
          • Foreign Auto Parts Denver (supporting page)
          • Sell a Junk Car in Denver (supporting page)
          • Junkyards in Denver Colorado (supporting page)
          • Salvage Yard Denver (supporting page)
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    • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
      And Yukon,

      This was asked earlier but I was hoping to get clarification and more specifics...

      If you have a WP site with a widget(s), i.e., side bars that list pages, posts, blogroll, etc....should you not have that so that the main focus is on the internal linking or will the internal linking still work despite the other links being there?

      Or should you have a 1-column that doesn't have widgets/side bars with links so that the attention is on the internal linking being done to boost certain pages?

      I apologize for not understanding the explanation before...just hoping to get clarification.
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      • Profile picture of the author CatherineMay
        Thanks for the great information in this thread, Yukon.

        Here goes a shameless newbie question:

        What exactly should the the content be on the index page - the one you are most interested in ranking, as in "swing sets" (post #12). With all the supporting pages linking to the main keyword page that in totality will have a lot of content, what exactly goes on the main page?

        In other words, is the main page strictly a page for selling the products? Does this mean the supporting pages are just articles with no affiliate links?
        For "swing sets," would the main page link to different swing sets, with graphics, (thinking of an Amazon site), and then the supporting pages are articles about swing sets?

        Catherine
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by CatherineMay View Post

          Thanks for the great information in this thread, Yukon.

          Here goes a shameless newbie question:

          What exactly should the the content be on the index page - the one you are most interested in ranking, as in "swing sets" (post #12). With all the supporting pages linking to the main keyword page that in totality will have a lot of content, what exactly goes on the main page?

          In other words, is the main page strictly a page for selling the products? Does this mean the supporting pages are just articles with no affiliate links?
          For "swing sets," would the main page link to different swing sets, with graphics, (thinking of an Amazon site), and then the supporting pages are articles about swing sets?

          Catherine
          The content on the Index page will be whatever you want, or are selling, it just has to be 100% related to your sites keyword theme.

          The Index page will link out to all the silo landing pages (only). The Index page should not link to any of the individual silos supporting pages. Each individual silo landing page has it's own group of supporting pages.

          The Index supporting pages are the individual silo landing pages, sort of a pyramid with internal linking.

          That's what makes a silo site so cool, the top of every silo is a silo landing page for a single new keyword that your trying to rank in the SERPs.

          Think of it like this, If you have 10 silo landing pages + your Index page, that's 11 keywords your trying to rank in the SERPs. Each silo might include 10 supporting pages (example), so that's a total of 111 pages for the whole site.

          That might sound like a lot of work & it is, this is easily manageable by breaking the site up into 10 silos/keywords & working on 1 silo at a time, then repeat.

          When you break the site up into small groups (silos) of pages, it's very easy to focus on your long term site plans.

          When you want a new keyword to rank in the SERPs, build a new silo.

          I want to point out that external links are still very important, but with a silo structured site you have a very detailed plan of the exact pages that need the best external links pointing at them, which is the silo landing pages.

          It helps to have a few quality links pointing at the supporting pages, just to add more strength to the whole site, but the silo landing pages are the most important pages, since they will be the ranked pages in the SERPs.

          When a silo is done correctly you can most times get results like this (screenshot below) in the SERPs. Most double SERP listings happen on the first page of the SERPs.

          That's just a double listing below, it's also possible to get triple SERP listings for a single keyword, which is even better & will deliver more traffic to your sites pages.

          Doesn't that look a lot better than a single link pointing back to your site/page?

          BTW, that's not my site in the screenshot, just showing what's possible with a silo structured site. It can be done without a silo, but a silo gives you a very detailed business plan & makes seo easier IMO.


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    • Profile picture of the author chienfu
      I hired a couple people on oDesk to do back link building ("white hat" whatever that means) and they worked tirelessly for at least 2 months and I never saw the SLIGHTEST trend increase in traffic... I was quite disappointed and I've completely lost faith in "link building".

      Was I just not patient enough? Are there certain techniques that work better than others?

      Thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Sirr
        I've just been talking about this in this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...g-indexed.html
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      • Profile picture of the author artion
        you need trafic..
        targeted dofollow backlinks = targeted traffic
        what is your niche ?
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        • Profile picture of the author Sirr
          Originally Posted by artion View Post

          you need trafic..
          targeted dofollow backlinks = targeted traffic
          what is your niche ?
          I think it's important to understand, and to teach, that backlinks are not the way you're going to see results on Google, at least not long term anyway. It's these types of generic responses that attribute to a persons frustration when they don't see results from ones advice.

          SEO is not about backlinks alone. There are so many factors that need to be issued. I could write a whole response on it, but it's 2am.
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          • Profile picture of the author Karson
            Just like the post above me.

            So much more to SEO.

            A few things to look into.

            On Page SEO:

            Keyword Density

            competition

            LSI

            Meta Tags

            Alt Image Tags

            Lots of quality unique content


            Off Page SEO:

            Competition
            RSS Leverage

            a variety of backlinks:
            social bookmarks
            .edu and .gov
            authority links
            press release
            videos
            web 2.0s
            backlinking your backlinks
            pinging them


            Learn all that and you should be ahead of most the herd.

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      • Profile picture of the author Marketing Fool
        It depends on WHERE you get backlinks from. Getting backlinks from a zillion PR0 or PR1 websites isn't going to do much of anything for you.

        But get a few backlinks from PR5 or PR6 or even higher Pageranked websites and you'll see almost immediate results. It really doesn't take many, so long as they're high quality.

        Personally, I don't do backlinking anymore... it's not worth my time or money, I go after low hanging long tail keywords that don't require any backlinking at all to get ranked well under...
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        • Profile picture of the author Sirr
          Originally Posted by Marketing Fool View Post

          Personally, I don't do backlinking anymore... it's not worth my time or money, I go after low hanging long tail keywords that don't require any backlinking at all to get ranked well under...
          The low hanging fruit is so easy to grab and the fruit is often ripe and juicy.
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      • Profile picture of the author lovboa
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        2 months "working tirelessly" and only a slight movement means that the people you hired suck at SEO or were actually NOT "working tirelessly"
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      • Profile picture of the author FraserC
        I don't backlink either. You can build up an enormous amount of traffic just chasing down the longtails. Instead of hiring people to create backlinks, hire people to create keyword-targeted articles on your site.
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        • Profile picture of the author awddude
          Originally Posted by FraserC View Post

          I don't backlink either. You can build up an enormous amount of traffic just chasing down the longtails. Instead of hiring people to create backlinks, hire people to create keyword-targeted articles on your site.
          Besides Google Keyword Tool - Do you have any recommendations as of where to collect long-tails? I get most long-tails by accident right now, any tips to building a methodology for finding them would be most helpful. Thanks

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      • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
        Originally Posted by chienfu View Post

        I hired a couple people on oDesk to do back link building ("white hat" whatever that means) and they worked tirelessly for at least 2 months
        Could have been working tirelessly digging dirt. Its not the working tirelessly that matters - Its what they were or were not doing.
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      • Profile picture of the author happyday
        link building do actually work but you need to know how it works.They may work tirelessly for two months as you have claimed even for 3 months if they don't know how to go about it,am afraid you might get no result.
        Most of them are just ordinary freelancers,so you have to direct them as to the way they should go.
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        • Profile picture of the author jackwebson
          I think the people you hired don't know about link building. Be sure you are hiring people who know what they are doing and not just working tirelessly with less quality.
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      • Profile picture of the author ganang
        Where is your website ranking position for your keyword? if ti is already in page 1 but less traffic, the problem would be in the keyword.

        In ym experience, I have one site that ranked for 6000 exact match and the site is number 4 but the traffic is just 10/days, very dissapointed
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      • Profile picture of the author christiehemme
        Originally Posted by chienfu View Post

        I hired a couple people on oDesk to do back link building ("white hat" whatever that means) and they worked tirelessly for at least 2 months and I never saw the SLIGHTEST trend increase in traffic... I was quite disappointed and I've completely lost faith in "link building".

        Was I just not patient enough? Are there certain techniques that work better than others?

        Thanks!
        High PR quality link for your niche is very much useful and it work on ranking.
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        So you hired two people on oDesk, weren't satisfied with the results, and have now concluded that link building must not work? Makes total sense to me. We should get the word out.

        EVERYONE! Stop what you are doing right now. No more links. They don't work. Find something else to spend your time on. Whatever you do though, no more links.

        Man, I'm glad I found this thread before I wasted another second building links.

        I don't know where all of my good rankings have come from though. Maybe I wished my sites there? I'm going to have to test this.
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          So you hired two people on oDesk, weren't satisfied with the results, and have now concluded that link building must not work? Makes total sense to me. We should get the word out.

          EVERYONE! Stop what you are doing right now. No more links. They don't work. Find something else to spend your time on. Whatever you do though, no more links.

          Man, I'm glad I found this thread before I wasted another second building links.

          I don't know where all of my good rankings have come from though. Maybe I wished my sites there? I'm going to have to test this.
          It's all that Google beer (forum avatar) you've been drinking that helped rank your pages, lol.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by yukon View Post

            It's all that Google beer (forum avatar) you've been drinking that helped rank your pages, lol.
            If that were the case, I would be #1 for "weight loss", "make money online", and probably "google" as well.
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            • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              If that were the case, I would be #1 for "weight loss", "make money online", and probably "google" as well.
              Out ranking Google for the term Google? I would like to order some of that beer.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by TheFBGuy View Post

                Out ranking Google for the term Google? I would like to order some of that beer.
                I only drink the good stuff.
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      • Profile picture of the author Innocent Akuma
        May be not
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      • Profile picture of the author mrjosco
        Disclaimer: I am new to IM. I have not made any money. I did, however, pick some keywords and work at getting traffic.

        I am by no means a traffic guru, but I was able to get a keyword with 2400 exact searches a month indexed and ranked (as high as three, but steadied out at 5) in two weeks. I don't have a large enough sample size to give you definitive answers, but I can tell you that when I was indexed I was no where in the top 500.

        I used NON spammy (i.e. not 10,000 blog comments) backlinks that were posted in relevant categories in a high PR blog network (I used BMR free trial). Once my free trial links were indexed I was ranking on first page. (Note: That is TEN backlinks, not thousands, just 10 high quality backlinks integrated into relevant content on a relevant high PR blog)

        As I continued to add content and backlinks I jumped in ranking.

        I have followed this method and found it to be scale able and repeatable.

        My point is: back linking with quality backlinks is at least a PART of successful SEO. Not all backlinks are the same. People who sell you 10,000 backlinks for $5 on fiverr are just spamming the heck out of irrelevant no follow blogs. I am sure most of those 'backlinks' never even get approved by blog moderator. The ones that do give you little to no 'link juice'.

        Try getting quality and relevant backlinks. You could try to get these for free by asking to be a 'guest blogger' for a blog in your niche or you could even try a 10 link free trail at a blog network website like "buildmyrank". I think 10 quality backlinks will show you results much faster than two people at 'Odesk' working 'tirelessly' to spam the crap out of your URL.
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      • Profile picture of the author pilatospoonfork
        There are lots of studies made and have proven that backlinking actually works. But it has to be a well-planned link building to acquire better results.
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      • Profile picture of the author LinkingService
        Backlinks work, but you have to do your keyword research in a proper manner. You can't expect to rank for a high traffic keyword like weight loss in 2 months. With recent Google updates it shows Google prefer sites with authority so if you have sites ranking for a keyword you are targeting with far greater authority than yours, you will need a lot more than just basic link building.
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      • Profile picture of the author Cosmit
        You didn't provide much information about how many searches your keywords get so I can't say if 2 months is enough to rank for them.

        But what I can tell you is that you won't see significant traffic until you start putting more content and get to page 1 for your primary keywords.

        I highly recommend the plugin Inbound Link Building to link any occurrence of your keywords to your destinations.

        Cheers
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        • Profile picture of the author ajparker
          Yes link building works - it just can't be junk links. It will take you many thousands of junk links to be worth the same amount as a good quality link. Recently (almost 2 months now) I started a new site and waited a couple weeks to see where it ranked naturally. It's for a local search phrase and it seems like with on page SEO alone it came into th mid 20's on google search results. ONE good anchor text link from a modest pr page and it is now cemented at the number 1 spot for that anchor text. (And it's made big improvements on several other search phrases.)

          That's in the last month post panda.

          Backlinks still matter, but they have to be worthwhile. Google knows many of the tricks to getting bulk links and so they value them less.

          Avery
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      • Profile picture of the author ebizwizard
        Here's a pro-tip:

        Linkbuilding with different variations of anchor text. Don't always use the same thing over and over. Use "Naked" URLs to your advantage and don't forget to throw those call to actions in when you have the chance.

        I've hired people on oDesk for pennies to the dollar and they've provided exceptional work. You just need to provide a clear plan of attack and you'll be able to see drastic improvements.

        Good luck!
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      • Profile picture of the author ebizwizard
        Linkbuilding is not a fly by night strategy to gain traction online. It's an art form and damn near close to a way of life to some. Here are a few pointers for you folks who are just starting out.

        1. Anchor Text Variation - Use not only call to actions, but variations of keywords, "naked" URLs as well as text variety.

        2. Unique Linking Domains - Have variety with websites when creating backlinks, the more diverse the better. Don't build hundreds of backlinks from just one high authority website.

        3. Link Juicing - Build your links on a consistent basis. Google doesn't like it when you build 1000+ one day and none the next. Juice it and drip it as needed.

        These tips are basic for some, but with the algorithm changes that happen so often - you have to find a way to prevent anything from happening to your site.

        - Good luck and good flow
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        • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
          So effing true man...

          I can't tell you how many people DON'T get this. I see it all the time with my service, and previous SEO companies/services I've been a part of.

          They think that top rankings should be achieved in a few weeks, and then quit or move on to the next "hot" linkbuilding service if they don't achieve the results in a matter of a week or two.

          Listen, that's not how it works. I *always* strongly encourage people to ONLY use my service IF they have time and patience.

          ....Sure, some people see results immediately....but others need time for the links to "age".....

          Link aging exists. If it didn't, anyone with a large upfront budget could go out and spend $xx,xxx on one months of paid links, and then stop paying and should "rank" well.

          Thats NOT how it works.

          Be patient, this isn't Adwords.
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      • Profile picture of the author stephenwaldo
        This seems like a silly question. Yes link building works in that links are a factor in Google's ranking algorithm, however Google also doesn't want you to use links to manipulate your rankings. In other words, links for the sake of links are a no no...What exactly do you mean when you say White Hat? Most people don't really know what that means...
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      • Profile picture of the author dagaul101
        Link building certainly works, for the backlinks and long term traffic you can get, I tend to think of link building as gaining customers, and your website as your shop, no point having a shop without customers and vice-versa
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      • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
        Don't just hire some bozo's off of oDesk for a few months, especially if you don't know what they should be doing.

        No offense....

        But that's a huge waste of your time.

        Focus on SERVICES and TOOLs that WORK. Check out reviews on here and similar internet marketing forums. Don't reinvent the wheel. Pay experts to do the linkbuilding and you focus on your business.
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        • Profile picture of the author electricians
          There are a ton of link building services out there so if you don't want to do the manual stuff yourself, you can buy it! Every link built is like a doorway to your website. It's absolutely one of the best ways to market your business.
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      • Profile picture of the author FraserC
        @awddude - If you want a free tool, check out Ubersuggest. It'll let you scrape Google suggest to get long tail ideas. Then you can put those keywords into the Google Keyword Tool to get the exact monthly search numbers.

        I'm a bit of a keyword collector - I've got a database filled with about 30,000 keywords for my site. I've probably targeted a third of them.
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    • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
      Hi Yukon. PM sent .
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    • Profile picture of the author Giani
      I have started using Angela's backlinks. It takes time to build each link every month.

      I can outsource the work but is it possible to automate the process so that less time is spent every month. Thanks.
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      • Profile picture of the author Amir Kostic
        I usually outsource that part, I rarely build backlinks myself. I use Warriors For Hire section to find good outsourcers, sometimes Fiverr.
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      • Profile picture of the author Rukshan
        Building profile backlinks manually is a time wasting job. Why don't you use a tool to do it. Try to combine many methods like posting in BMR, Blog commenting, Article links etc.
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      • Profile picture of the author webdevpro
        For profile backlinking or article writing you can outsource the work but for say blog commenting you should do it yourself. It is recommended not to use any automation software.
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      • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
        Try the method via my free no opt in ebook, it's in my signature and gives you some golden ideas on locating edu gov back links.
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      • Profile picture of the author patco
        This is the most important part if you want your site to have a great SERP. Some quality backlinks are recommended if you want also to raise a little your PR and multiply the number of daily visitors.
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      • Profile picture of the author TopKat22
        Originally Posted by Giani View Post

        I have started using Angela's backlinks. It takes time to build each link every month.

        I can outsource the work but is it possible to automate the process so that less time is spent every month. Thanks.
        Since you are a War Room member, have you gotten your free backlink service that is in the stickys in the War Room.

        Here it is:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...m-members.html

        I did that and then got one WSO for cheap and they are doing it for 6 months so I don't have to mess with that part.

        Here is the link to that service but the price has gone up a bit since I got it:

        http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...e-quickly.html

        However, my current main source of immediate traffic has been the free social networking poster I got in the War Room for free as well and it is here.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...-networks.html
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        • Profile picture of the author Giani
          Originally Posted by TopKat22 View Post

          Since you are a War Room member, have you gotten your free backlink service that is in the stickys in the War Room.

          Here it is:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...m-members.html

          I did that and then got one WSO for cheap and they are doing it for 6 months so I don't have to mess with that part.

          Here is the link to that service but the price has gone up a bit since I got it:

          http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...e-quickly.html

          However, my current main source of immediate traffic has been the free social networking poster I got in the War Room for free as well and it is here.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/war-room...-networks.html
          Thanks for sharing the links. I will use these services.
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          • Profile picture of the author IM Lover
            Originally Posted by Giani View Post

            Thanks for sharing the links. I will use these services.
            Guess you don't want my free ebook I offered you then "cough, cough, Rude!"
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      • Profile picture of the author FraserC
        It's also possible to be successful without backlinking at all. If you love backlinking, do that. If you don't love backlinking, then focus your efforts on the content on your site, creating viral content that'll get you natural links from other sites.
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        • Profile picture of the author sprice
          I don't believe there's a way to automate Angela's style links except for to outsource them.
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      • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
        Profile links are pretty weak unless they're done in massive quantities. But even then, they're on the lower end of the quality scale. Though they can be beneficial as 2nd or 3rd tier backlinks.

        I'd outsource them if you're going that route.
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    • Profile picture of the author ultmwarriur
      very important dont cut corners
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    • Profile picture of the author RevSEO
      It's ridiculously important.

      Most overlooked aspect of SEO I believe, especially from linkbuilders perspective.

      Each "page" has its own ability to rank and/or be ranked. Sure, a nice high PR homepage helps, but you MUST backlink your internal pages as well.

      So much "money/rankings" is left on the table by so many people because they overlook backlinking their internal pages.

      My recommendation is as follows:

      30% of links to the homepage
      70% to internal pages
      No more than 3-5 keywords targeted PER page, that includes the homepage
      Don't get ONLY anchor text links, you MUST get links that have absolute URL, image links, etc.

      That's a good start. Pay close attention to your rankings. Then fine tune your backlink strategy based on pages that saw the most increase in ranking. That means if they are on page 1, or page 2, then begin to focus on those keywords/pages.
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  • Profile picture of the author skele
    What I observed in many years internet marketing is that some links make signifficantly higher effect than others.

    Backlinks that push your site to first page and first place in Google are:
    - on page with similar topic
    - on domain of high PR and backlinks
    - not too deep in the site

    Of course many weak links make some sort of impact but if you want to rank for competitive terms do it manually (or outsource it) so you know WHERE you have WHAT link set. Stories for children about 100,000s of backlinks from PR9 domain just doesn't deliver strong results.

    Of course, there are allways exceptions. Like the site in attachment that has 99% of forum profiles

    But I do not recommend rely on this.
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  • Profile picture of the author tourbus
    Its a complete procedure you need to make the back link where crawler oftenly visited and original work is done. Like Press releases and content farms.
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  • Profile picture of the author bastion
    Leave them to be found naturally. Or you can use bookmarking sites like digg, reddit, and others to make i faster. But don't ping, there is no need for that.
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  • Profile picture of the author awddude
    @FraserC

    Haha you are definitely a collector. Thanks for the link, I checked it out and it works wonders. Cheers!
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