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Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr@new

Do search engines penalize you for having syndicated content on your site?

Google doesn't, anyway.

This recent/current thread will help you: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-articles.html

Originally Posted by mr@new

say Article X is published on a site, and I copy/paste the article as is on my site ending it with a "Source: Article X" ...

Unless you're taking it from an article directory, specifically (where the author has consented to people doing that, subject to the site's terms of service, and has in fact submitted it there for that specific reason), this would be breaching copyright.

Originally Posted by mr@new

As far as I have read, search engines will not index the article on my site

This is completely wrong.

It's very easy to verify this for yourself, of course, just by doing it and checking that it's indexed.

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Christines Dream 13 years ago

The whole duplicate content thing applies only to content which is duplicated on the same domain. For example, you take article x from go articles and add it to mysite DOT com/article-x and then add the exact same article to mysite DOT com/article-x-second-copy

This is considered duplicate content.

The article which was indexed first is the only article that Google will rank. Google considers the 2nd article duplicate.

Hope that helps.
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barbling

13 years ago

Lots of different takes on this.

Some authority sites that might help include:

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Chris Worner

13 years ago

Not this debate again!

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AnniePot 13 years ago
^ ^ ^ Exactly!

From the constant repetition and repeated questions, it makes me wonder:
1. How often some people visit the forum, and
2. Why don't they use the Search/Detailed search facilities before they post a question?
There must be (conservatively) 50 prior threads on the same subject.
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Alexa Smith

Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Chris Worner

Not this debate again!

What can you do?

It's a huge (non-)issue that (understandably) worries many people.

For about a decade, there've been people selling SEO software and services which are presented to the market as "a solution to the 'duplicate content problem'," and they need people to believe in this "duplicate content penalty", to sell it. The web is full of this crap.

However many times you quote from Google's own sources/blogs, however many times you show people how to test and prove it for themselves, however many people are earning good livings and building solid businesses by article syndication, there'll always be more people asking about it, and there'll always be other people posting saying "Well, there are different views of this question" and making it out not quite to be "settled", and quoting other equally confused and confusing things. :rolleyes:

Misinformation is everywhere.

It isn't going away any time soon.

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Ord Allenbea

13 years ago

Yeah what she said. Why people do not read Google's own site though I do not understand.

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Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

What can you do?

It's a huge (non-)issue that (understandably) worries many people.

For about a decade, there've been people selling SEO software and services which are presented to the market as "a solution to the 'duplicate content problem'," and they need people to believe in this "duplicate content penalty", to sell it. The web is full of this crap.

However many times you quote from Google's own sources/blogs, however many times you show people how to test and prove it for themselves, however many people are earning good livings and building solid businesses by article syndication, there'll always be more people asking about it, and there'll always be other people posting saying "Well, there are different views of this question" and making it out not quite to be "settled", and quoting other equally confused and confusing things. :rolleyes:

Misinformation is everywhere.

It isn't going away any time soon.

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mr@new

13 years ago

Thanks for all the prompt help guys!

So this is what I gather:

1. Google does index the reproduced article on my site. (I just checked it)
2. If #1 is true, then I could easily compete with the initial site for ranking.

My whole issue here is, whether or not I will end in Google's bad books someday. Although, I would only reproduce articles from authors whom I have reproduction agreements.

Thoughts?

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Alexa Smith Banned 13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr@new

I could easily compete with the initial site for ranking.

Well, that depends on your site's SEO status and the SEO status of the site from which you syndicate it (if it's an article directory, it'll be easy, but other people can also sydnicate those articles, and they might have been published elsewhere before submission there, too).

Authors who know what they're doing (granted: there are many who don't) will always have published all their work on their own site first, before letting it go anywhere else at all, and the cumulative SEO benefits that that can give them may make outranking them a little harder than you might expect. Unless they've very new, or whatever.

Originally Posted by mr@new

My whole issue here is, whether or not I will end in Google's bad books someday.

Not by syndicating content, no.

Google doesn't dislike syndicated content in any way.

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5273419

http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5286678

But don't expect too much benefit from it, either. You don't have the initial indexation-rights to any of it, which in the long run limits its collective SEO benefit to you anyway.

Originally Posted by mr@new

I would only reproduce articles from authors whom I have reproduction agreements.

It will do you no harm at all.

This kind of content marketing doesn't have much to do with SEO anyway. Please excuse the observation that it's a bit of a non-discussion, really. But if your concern is that you might somehow be "penalized" for doing this, the answer is that you won't.
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webgnomes

13 years ago

1. Google does index the reproduced article on my site. (I just checked it)

Yes... but unless your copy of the article becomes the authoritative version, it will appear in Google's supplemental index (i.e., it's indexed, but it won't appear in most SERPs unless you explicitly request duplicates or search for a unique characteristic of your version of the article).

2. If #1 is true, then I could easily compete with the initial site for ranking.

I definitely wouldn't use the word, "easily." If you want to outrank the original version of the article, you'll need to win with off-page factors (e.g., your domain is more authoritative, you have stronger social signals, etc.) because unless the original article host is making huge content-related errors, your on-page signals will be incredibly similar.

My whole issue here is, whether or not I will end in Google's bad books someday.

You won't end up in "Google's bad books," (i.e., there isn't a dupe content penalty, despite what many people will lead you to believe), but that still doesn't mean you'll be able to rank
well in most SERPs.

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GerryBean

13 years ago

Good Day,
I have an HTML website that offers my services to sell/install/repair HVAC products. Each product has it's own webpage that discusses the advantages of that particular model. It does however have a very dated look and layout.

I'm rebuilding that site into a wordpress website.

The HTML site is optimized well, is updated on a regular basis, has been around forever, runs adwords and ranks very well.

The new site has the same content, optimization, is updated on a regular basis and will be running adwords.

The HTML site will eventually go away once the new site receives similar SE recognition.

One question:
As long as the HTML site is alive and well, will the non-HTML site ever rank as well as the HTML site due to duplicate content?

I'm also building 2 additional wordpress websites with the same data as the new (non-HTML) website only they're targeting different parts of the state. The domain names contain the specific city they're targeting.

They too have the same content and optimization as the new (non-HTML) site and are updated on a regular basis.

However they link back to the new website when referencing the individual products (vs having the product pages on those 2 websites.) So those 2 additional websites have many fewer webpages.

Second question:
Will the 2 ADDITIONAL (city specific) websites ever rank due to duplicate content?
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Griffin Smith

13 years ago

Originally Posted by GerryBean

Good Day,
I have an HTML website that offers my services to sell/install/repair HVAC products. Each product has it's own webpage that discusses the advantages of that particular model. It does however have a very dated look and layout.

I'm rebuilding that site into a wordpress website.

The HTML site is optimized well, is updated on a regular basis, has been around forever, runs adwords and ranks very well.

The new site has the same content, optimization, is updated on a regular basis and will be running adwords.

The HTML site will eventually go away once the new site receives similar SE recognition.

One question:
As long as the HTML site is alive and well, will the non-HTML site ever rank as well as the HTML site due to duplicate content?

I'm also building 2 additional wordpress websites with the same data as the new (non-HTML) website only they're targeting different parts of the state. The domain names contain the specific city they're targeting.

They too have the same content and optimization as the new (non-HTML) site and are updated on a regular basis.

However they link back to the new website when referencing the individual products (vs having the product pages on those 2 websites.) So those 2 additional websites have many fewer webpages.

Second question:
Will the 2 ADDITIONAL (city specific) websites ever rank due to duplicate content?
Regards,

This is an excellent question.. We all know by know (I hope) the difference between syndicated and duplicate content.

So what if your trying to rank in a Google places or Yahoo local results and you have multiple sites and a very similar homepage and Our services page?

I'm getting a mixed bag on this one, some are saying you will lose your organic search as a penalty and others say nada is going to happen?

Anybody with experience got an opinion?

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hazephase

13 years ago

I would say that you will not get alot of traffic and you will not be showing up in the first page which also can depend on your niche.

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Griffin Smith

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr@new

Hey guys .. I have read a fair bit on duplicate content and content syndication but one of my questions still remains unanswered.

Do search engines penalize you for having syndicated content on your site? say Article X is published on a site, and I copy/paste the article as is on my site ending it with a "Source: Article X" ... As far as I have read, search engines will not index the article on my site given that they have seen "Source ..." but they will follow the links on the article.

I was asking the same question not to long ago, more along the lines of PLR and duplicate content though...The best advice I can give you and what has worked for me is:

When Alexa posts pay attention to what she is saying.
Read ALL of the threads she gives you the links to (There are several, so you better pack a lunch)
About halfway through a couple of them you'll feel that light bulb turn on in your brain..and you'll say Ahhah..I get it now..:rolleyes:

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mr@new

13 years ago

The biggest issue I have found is you'd read an article explaining his/her position, and then you'd read another setting up a new frame of mind ... next thing you know is you are confused as F!

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discrat

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr@new

Hey guys .. I have read a fair bit on duplicate content and content syndication but one of my questions still remains unanswered.

Do search engines penalize you for having syndicated content on your site? say Article X is published on a site, and I copy/paste the article as is on my site ending it with a "Source: Article X" ... As far as I have read, search engines will not index the article on my site given that they have seen "Source ..." but they will follow the links on the article.

You definitely will not get penalized !!

You might not get ranked up to where the original article came from but you will not get delisted . And your website or blog will not disappear down to the depths of the search engines all of the sudden because you posted a duplicate or syndicated article.

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GerryBean 13 years ago

Ok...
After further research and understanding that syndication does NOT pertain to just news and press releases, I confident the copy I'm using is considered syndicated.
Our Vendor offers MANY graphics and copy to their 'dealers' to use any way they feel appropriate. So it's used a LOT nationally.
Since our Vendor is the originator of the content and we're local, our competition would not be with our vendor. It would rather be other dealers and their websites offering the same product. We have a lot of competition but have a very strong ranking/presence with the search engines.
So that I feel comfortable with that... thanking you.
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Troy_Phillips

13 years ago

Duplicate content on your site doesn't necessarily mean reprimand. Only when you try to manipulate the search engines with that content does it become a problem.

now as far as ranking syndicated content goes ... You put your original content on your site first and then on EZA and 1500 other directories but stop your promotion there .... I can legally place your content on my site and promote it to the point of being the highest rank .. usually rather easily.

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onSubie

13 years ago

Originally Posted by mr@new

As far as I have read, search engines will not index the article on my site given that they have seen "Source ..." but they will follow the links on the article.

All you have to do is paste some PLR in quotes ("...plr text here...") to see that Google indexes the same content over and over.

I see PLR material in Google results with dates 2009... 2010... 2011..

Google keeps indexing the same PLR content year after year as it is pasted onto web sites.

Mahlon

Edit: It isn't just PLR. Do this with any Ezine article and see many stolen copies indexed without an Author's Bio or attribution to the original author.

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by deltamarketing

Google penalize your site if you copy paste any content other website fully.

That's completely wrong. :rolleyes:

Not only does Google not penalize your site for that, but they even explain openly and clearly that they don't, and why they don't, on their WebMaster Central Blog and in many other places, too.

Content syndicated from sites like Reuters and Associated Press is what keeps many of the world's leading news websites going, and they don't seem concerned about being "penalized", do they?

I suspect that you don't understand the difference between syndicated content and duplicate content, but whatever the underlying reason is for your misinformation, your assertion above is utter nonsense.

I understand that you have a "Copyscape alternative" to promote, in your signature file, and that you'd perhaps like people to believe that, but fortunately for the large and growing number of Warriors making our full-time livings from content syndication, it isn't true.

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cjreynolds

12 years ago

Originally Posted by deltamarketing

Google penalize your site if you copy paste any content other website fully. You should rewrite the content and give a quotation of the source then you have a little risk to get penalize.

???? :confused: :confused:

That don't even make sense! On several levels! :p

Google doesn't penalize you for duplicate content or syndicated articles (which is what you're talking about)
If you do re-write the content, then there wouldn't be any reason to cite the source - it's no longer their content!
Google couldn't care less if you cite the source for an article - They're not copyright enforcers. That's why people get away with re-printing articles without resource boxes attached. Not something Google's concerned about.

Urban myths abound in IM....

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plongmire

12 years ago

I have a question on syndication and never thought about it until this thread...how long do you allow a post soak until you syndicate it...

I know you wait until it gets indexed, but is there any value in letting it sit a month before sending it out?

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seoblast76

12 years ago

Sometimes Google penalize you but most of the time duplicate content make your website down in ranking which is a serious trouble.

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tumichael

12 years ago

So, if duplicated content isn't a matter, when we make a site of which content is 100% exactly the same as CNN, we do some SEO, will it have good traffic and pagerank as the original site?

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Olayainka

Banned 12 years ago

Google may not penalize but it doesn't give higher ranking so why to use duplicate content if we don't get benefit from search engine like Google?

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uniquecontent

12 years ago

First Basic and most important rule to get ranked in Google is unique and original content. Instead you copying it from any site I would suggest that get new content done from WF

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Banned 12 years ago

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Alexa Smith

Banned 12 years ago

Originally Posted by plongmire

I know you wait until it gets indexed, but is there any value in letting it sit a month before sending it out?

None that I'm aware of.

(The reality is that the syndicated copies get published according to their site-owners' timetables, so it isn't always within your control anyway)

Originally Posted by tumichael

So, if duplicated content isn't a matter

Nobody said that.

What's been explained is that "duplicate content" and "syndicated content" are two totally different things. Google goes to great lengths to clarify and explain it to people, but it's terribly difficult for them because so many people start off with deeply mistaken beliefs before they ever see or hear of any "Google information".

And by the way "duplicated content" isn't the same as "duplicate content" either. Content which is duplicated within one domain is duplicate content (but it isn't penalized). Content which is duplicated across different domains isn't duplicate content.

Originally Posted by tumichael

when we make a site of which content is 100% exactly the same as CNN, we do some SEO, will it have good traffic and pagerank as the original site?

No, of course not. Nobody is suggesting that at all.

You're confusing "getting SEO benefits" and "not getting penalized". Those are two totally different things. People don't syndicate content primarily for SEO benefits, and the SEO benefits from using syndicated content on your site are very small. (Again, that's a reason why it's always so important to publish articles on your own site first and have them indexed there, before having them syndicated elsewhere, so that your own site is credited with the initial indexation when the content hasn't yet been syndicated elsewhere). The tens of thousands of Webmasters who syndicate already-published content to their sites are doing so because they want the content for their readers/visitors, not because they want to gain SEO advantages from it. Not everyone lives their lives according to SEO! But they don't get penalized for it, anyway, which is a different question.

Originally Posted by melbournevenues9

I read about content duplicacy.It's really very serious issue.Copy paste not allowed in any way..

This is just completely wrong. The entire reason for the existence of article directories is for people to syndicate content. All explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

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LarryW

12 years ago

Even though I have been told enough times about "Duplicate Content" to understand that it only concerned copies on one site, and syndication is different and not a problem (and curation should not be the entire article and should have references to original) - regardless, being still kinda new I was confused enough to need re-explaining again and so I clicked to get to this thread. So glad for the posts and now I am just going to stop doubts.

I thank Alexa for the time to emBOLDen and Underline the "d" below, and her phrasing is certainly very helpful clear English; at least I get it!

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

And by the way "duplicated content" isn't the same as "duplicate content" either. Content which is duplicated within one domain is duplicate content (but it isn't penalized). Content which is duplicated across different domains isn't duplicate content.

<snip>

Again, that's a reason why it's always so important to publish articles on your own site first and have them indexed there, before having them syndicated elsewhere, so that your own site is credited with the initial indexation when the content hasn't yet been syndicated elsewhere.

I've been using computers for decades and long ago understood they can Remember and Do Things Fast (and Add), but hey it is still amazing to think "they" (search engine computers) would know my original article on my site was the First occurrence!!! But this is merely a peek at how/what search engines do: find something new and save the URL and Date, Title & Description, snippetts of the subject (or indeed the entire article?); keyword(s), etc assign PR, etc all secret proprietary etc.

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LarryW 12 years ago

Could a different question be related, or being different maybe extend or follow-up this discussion (I hope this is appropriate in this thread):

How does GOOGLE think of content on sites that display Google Adsense Ads?? Not only would they wish viewers to have a useful visit, they need to give the advertisers their money's worth (good leads).

Do Adsense sites with content copied from elsewhere please or upset Google? Is (unmodified) PLR seen the same way?

I have been told that properly "Curated" content is good, meaning adding original words before and after referenced partial quotes (especially giving my opinion or comments). Isn't this fine in Google's eyes for Adsense sites? And isn't this "proof" for the 'duplicate content' myth exposed?

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cursedmask

12 years ago

you may get an initial boost but on a long term success you must avoid using duplicate content. by the way why do you even plan to copy content . just focus on a quality website if you want success from it

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