IS SEO-Dead????

14 years ago

I agree with you that the recent Penguin Update and the series of Panda Updates are a big blow on SEO but many of the websites who followed white hat techniques for promoting their site through SEO are still having their rankings intact. But also many good sites have also suffered because of this update. The ultimate aim of Google is to gain more revenue using the Google Adwords and AdSense as when a website is down in ranking it automatically provokes the common mass to advertise and go for PPC rather than going for SEO.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aminfocraft123

Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??

You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.

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retsek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.

There's no crying in SEO

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aminfocraft123 14 years ago

I think: google thinks to do the SEO by herself....
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Mike Anthony 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.

You are going to see that quote again. I'm stealing it. LOL. Its the perfect answer to these SEO is dead threads because it doesn't even entertain discussion or give the question any legitimacy
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Enzo Ewens

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.

I actually loved the Panda and Penguin updates because it separates the fly by night SEO with those people who really worked hard to earn their rankings.

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aadi144

13 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.

I agree with you Mike,I guess he is talking about those SEOs who do hard work with spamming all the time to get on top.I am doing SEO and haven't been punished or my ranking is still improving with every update.

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Charley Brown

14 years ago

They don't want to kill the SEO industry. They are getting rid of the fly-by-night SEOs, and those using unethical tactics to boost their SERP rankings.

Their latest moves will likely affect some innocent websites, but it will positively impact the rankings imo. The best thing to do is to make sure you have great content, and utilize social media effectively.

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pluto1

14 years ago

Yup, and it's weird how the search results show up now. My friend owns a classifieds site and did all the hard work (one page and off page SEO), all by himself, not much outsourced. His site was ranking pretty well in few cities showing on 1st page mostly at 3rd or 4th position. Now, his site shows up on 3rd or 4th page.

And funny thing is, the sites that now show up on first page show up at least 6 - 7 times, different links. Basically one site has taken up the first page. If the search engines are showing one site more than twice, of course other sites are going to be pushed to later pages. He is thinking of using Adwords now, and of course that means more money for Google.

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14 years ago

Haha, welcome to the world of SEO...

SEO done correctly will NEVER be dead, google has to rank sites somehow. However, 99% of what you see being done and preached on these forums is not 100% whitehat and google doesn't allow it, the SEO providers will just never tell you that.

If you build links that google allows: press releases, authoritative blog comments, guest posts, web 2.0's with unique amazing content, etc..... you will never be penalized and in the end will always come out on top.

It's just people find an exploit in the system that is easy and fast, and they exploit it and sell it. SEO will never die... its a billion dollar industry.

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vksheilds

14 years ago

SEO is now more tough in comparison of previous method its now about to over for spammers but seems to be competition is growing and its going to kill low quality SEO

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JSProjects

14 years ago

Yup. Dead. Move along now.

Of course it's not dead. It's only evolving. SEO 5 years ago was a totally different animal than it is now.

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HD Node

14 years ago

Personally I wouldn't think of this situation in terms of justice/injustice. Google's algorithm updates are beyond our control and something we have to learn to live and work with.

If your sites are taking a hit in the SERPS whenever Google updates their algorithm, then examining the SEO tactics you are using may be worthwhile. Also, consider other traffic sources (e.g. social).

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Job TI

14 years ago

It's not dead you just have to be creative.

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14 years ago

Defiantly give up on SEO.

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14 years ago

I Have Left SEO
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TheFBGuy 14 years ago

Yes my good friend, SEO is dead.
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lossman29 14 years ago

Originally Posted by Annie J

I Have Left SEO
I Go With PPC Or PPV On Google Or Facebook
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SEO is not dead and it still remains the best way to get free traffic. Google wants people to convert to PPC and some of us are giving them just that.

If you're SEO don't work, figure out what you did wrong, experiment, learn and improve yourself. We all work in an industry that's about experimentation and that reinvents itself every few years. This was bound to happen.

Let's take this as an opportunity to do something new and learn from this.
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14 years ago

Yap SEO is dead. RIP SEO.

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Dokemion

14 years ago

Google is going nuts! I often check their webmasters tools and monitored links to my site and it dropped! But still I manage to rank my keyword on the first page. What the ***** is going on with Google.

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marpfi

14 years ago

SEO is not dead you just need to ensure you do it the right way, there always have been changes and there always will be changes in the future, everybody who is not up for this game should leave

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14 years ago

SEO is not dead.We need to find the solution or best way.

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aminfocraft123 14 years ago

I thought PPC is better option as compare to SEO.
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sumit1

Banned 14 years ago

Hard and hard after continue updates of Google ,to being with search ranking without dominating a smart and Quality work .SEO is free part for doing search engine marketing and that is not going to dead at all .The thing going to dead is techniques that spoils the rules in making marketing over search .After penguin lots of sites get affected due to their spam work like Unnatural linking ,use of hidden text ,Over-optimization etc...

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ashish123

14 years ago

Hi,
SEO will never died because if SEO Died No one will come on Google .allast google market will be down.so never happen.

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mytrip

14 years ago

If SEO may dead so what would be the organic existence of search engine result or even what would about internet marketing. I think way keep change but SEO can't

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prismkuet

14 years ago

No, SEO is not dead. Spam free does not mean SEO free. Two have different meaning. But if you follow spamming as strategy for your SEO, certainly that is dead. Google's update is encouraging natural process of SEO, not automated one.

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Lakshmi SEO

14 years ago

Google ultimate aim is to give accurate results to its users because people rely on google search results most of the time. Due to all the black hat methods and unnatural links even a poor website with content of no useful data and information get indexed at the first page according to Google algorithm. This made google to act rude on all spammers those who only need to make money without serving anything good to their readers. Surely SEO will not demise if people earning through websites give first priority to the end users. Gradual, Natural & Manual these three are the important aspect to optimize a site for search engines which also give unbelievable returns.

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go4glory

14 years ago

SEO industry is not yet dead, instead google is cracking down on unethical SEO companies and black-hat practices, promoting Their guidelines strictly now.
SEO Strategies need to change now shifting from automated techniques to more manual methods.

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ownergolan

14 years ago

Sick and tired from these posts.

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14 years ago

SEO is love.

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14 years ago

No, SEO is not dead.

Sites with little to no useful content (thin affiliate sites) are dead.

Crappy content is dead.

Trying to game the system (Google) is dead.

SEO is getting stronger and spam free.

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autotradex

14 years ago

I have a mess of websites that I use SEO strategies on. The best results on sites ranking on first page come from PPC with Google Adwords and MS Adcenter.
I also get great results from Facebook ads for direct target marketing campaigns. However, my best results with the least amount of work have been from Google Merchant Center (Google Shopping. use to be Google Base).

I'm seriously thinking about adding a shopping or product page to all of my blogs and non e-commerce sites and uploading an xml product data feed to GMC and forgetting about SEO on these sites.

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14 years ago

I hope not! I'm paying for it right now!

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14 years ago

i think seo never die, sure

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14 years ago

As long as there's a google, there will be seo.....these updates have just weeded out the weak hands...

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prismkuet 14 years ago

Originally Posted by John Moore

As long as there's a google, there will be seo.....these updates have just weeded out the weak hands...

Agree. good point and very much true words in favor of SEO! No need to be tensed who are not spamming in the name of SEO.
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14 years ago

SEO never dead sir

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Makrobin

14 years ago

SEO is not dead, I think Google is busy to kill spammers and low quality links via Google panda and penguin.

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14 years ago

I think it is dead, my site in my signature are failed as seo.

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14 years ago

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Theeban

14 years ago

Well, I guess, they don't want to kill SEO industry, but want to wash out germs in SEO industry

I mean to say, there are bunch of spammy link building in practice and which is not useful to end-user. So, Google is trying to wash out the sites which do spam on web.

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rajivwebads 14 years ago

SEO will die never until there are websites and search engines SEO will not die because being placed or getting higher rankings in SE;websites need to optimized in this way SEO is the only option.
Google must remember that it is only because of SEO.....
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- Rollmodl 14 years ago
  
  Not dead. I spent 2 days last week re-optimizing old articles. I found 3 of the articles in #1-#3 positions on Google. I went with long tail keywords. The site is about 3 months old.
  
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  TheInternet 14 years ago
  
  Everything is dead. The shambling, zombified corpse of SEO is fine though.
  
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cooler1

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Theeban

Well, I guess, they don't want to kill SEO industry, but want to wash out germs in SEO industry

I mean to say, there are bunch of spammy link building in practice and which is not useful to end-user. So, Google is trying to wash out the sites which do spam on web.

The problem is they've gone about it the wrong way. Spammy links should be just discounted, but instead they are penalizing sites for it which allows negative SEO unless a site has a strong authority.

I guess this link disinvow tool which Google mentioned will never be released because if it was then how could they stop people disallowing the spammy links which is causing filters such as penguin to trigger.

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aminfocraft123 14 years ago

Now there was no scope in organic SEO just move towards PPC....
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14 years ago

SEO will never die.. And you can't afford to let it die as search engines are usually the ones that contribute the most traffic.

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14 years ago

Those who are doing well and find the tactics how to we do.. That is the main point of SEO handling.. We have to analyze more more

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Banned 14 years ago

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Mantasmo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mikeshinobi

Don't let the guys in this thread fool ya. SEO is dead and has been dead for a long time.

Don't let the guys in this thread fool ya. SEO is love and has been love for a long time.

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- K Mec 13 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by bnetwork
  
  Don't let the guys in this thread fool ya. SEO is love and has been love for a long time.
  
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PetGuru

14 years ago

Google=SEO
That's the equation,so seo never dead.If seo dead than google will also dead....

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Danny Garcia

14 years ago

Originally Posted by aminfocraft123

Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??

I think it's actually a good thing what google is doing. Although it has been a big pain in the ass for me but i learn through it every day. Every tom, dick and harry would buy some fiverr gigs, use spun articles, spam everywhere and still rank well in google, but thats not the situation anymore. i've heard some fiverr gigs are good but never tried it and never will. Just doin it manually and its been pretty good so far.

so is SEO dead? if you're a couch potato who's willing to pay some bucks on fiverr but isn't willing to make an effort yourself then yeah!! SEO's dead. Infact it never existed.

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I don't understand why Google penalized those sites which are innocent and using white hat techniques....
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- retsek 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by aminfocraft123
  
  I don't understand why Google penalized those sites which are innocent and using white hat techniques....
  
  What innocent sites ?
  
  I spend LOADS of time in the official Google forums. People there post their URLs. I've yet to see an "innocent site" get hit by Penguin.
  
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I thought we have to move on PPC....
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- lossman29 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by aminfocraft123
  
  Google has to define its spamming criteria...
  
  Originally Posted by aminfocraft123
  
  SEO is dead because lots of spam kings/queens still doing spamming hilariously and getting results.
  
  Originally Posted by aminfocraft123
  
  Google gives more importance to SMO as compare to SEO because they want to promote Google +....
  
  Originally Posted by aminfocraft123
  
  I thought we have to move on PPC....
  
  Aminfocraft, stop trying to increase your post count by posting 4 times in a row. If you want to have a say, then say it all in a single post instead of distributing your post over several ones.
  
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  ivvyevents 14 years ago
  
  SEO is far from being dead. I would say that SEO goes through transition phase every time there is a major change in the algorithms. I think with the passing of time SEO will become a much more advanced process with the advent of better technology.
  
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Yes it Was !
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greeysmith

14 years ago

Today every website need quality and relevant back links, that is created by quality content. During the working time always follow Algorithms rules, if you will do quality work and legitimate work then your website can't get hits from Google Algorithms ...

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rajnish

14 years ago

I think SEO is going more powerful now because now only those websites are survive in Google's search result which are follow the rules and apply the relevancy and quality.

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Naimath

14 years ago

SEO is not dead. It just got Resurrected. So if you're still gonna be stuck with the same old spammy tactics then good luck! Cause they will not work!

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internalsoul

14 years ago

SEO is not dead and wont ever be. its how you will play with it. Play fair and you will be rewarded, Be nasty and you will be kicked off.

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Dentist

14 years ago

Yep! SEO is Dead

Quit SEO and leave it to us to waste our time. The less competitors the better.

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aminfocraft123

14 years ago

Anyone Knows about Black Hat SEO tools....

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GSX

14 years ago

They're not killing SEO are you kidding me? They're killing BAD seo. Just play by their game and you will succeed.

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aminfocraft123

14 years ago

I don't know the google criteria of checking Spamming....

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CherylMorgan

14 years ago

SEO is not dead but you have to do it smartly.

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Employ Filipino

14 years ago

SEO is as dead as me before I published this post. SEO is still well aive and there, but you need different kinds of backlinks more than ever now, you really can't focus on one type f link building strategy.

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14 years ago

Google has to define its spamming criteria...

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aminfocraft123

14 years ago

SEO is dead because lots of spam kings/queens still doing spamming hilariously and getting results.

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14 years ago

No. It can't. it can be like a challenge but it can not be dead.

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greeysmith

14 years ago

Search Engine Optimization is not dead but if your doing legitimate and quality work Google will perceive your work soon and your website will be get good position so during the working time always follow Algorithms rules..

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FrankRumbauskas

14 years ago

I haven't read the replies because there are far too many but the short answer is:

NOOOOO!!!!!!!

SEO is not dead. In fact it's better than ever for those of us who have been getting spectacular results with white-hat SEO, now that most of the black-hat agencies have been slapped. Since Penguin hit in March we have had agencies approaching us asking to outsource their SEO to us since our clients were not affected and in fact their rankings IMPROVED as the competition was slapped down.

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coolarabguy

14 years ago

As I said in the other thread, I'm doing pretty much the exact same thing I was before and it seems to be working pretty well.

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bamitabh

14 years ago

SEO is definitely not dead,but just trying to emerge with new colors. With the ground-breaking evolutions sparked by Google, it is definitely becoming complex and difficult to keep pace with the emerging dynamics.More Google tries to shape the rules of the road geared toward the dictum 'conten is king' , it will be better. So SEO is becoming more content oriented and social oriented, weeding out the blackhat craps.

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coolarabguy

14 years ago

Originally Posted by bamitabh

SEO is definitely not dead,but just trying to emerge with new colors. With the ground-breaking evolutions sparked by Google, it is definitely becoming complex and difficult to keep pace with the emerging dynamics.More Google tries to shape the rules of the road geared toward the dictum 'conten is king' , it will be better. So SEO is becoming more content oriented and social oriented, weeding out the blackhat craps.

People say this every update. I'm doing the same spam **** I was a year ago and I'm still ranking. Social signals are getting more important though.

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Rocket web

14 years ago

How else is google going to index all of the sites there are? SEO will stay, it is becoming more and more challenging for spammers.

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mosthost

14 years ago

SEO is brain-dead (no new ideas)

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Rocketboy 14 years ago

Originally Posted by mosthost

SEO is brain-dead (no new ideas)

SEO is not dead, but maybe the way people are doing SEO is wrong?
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mileagedriver

14 years ago

It is not dead. But google eliminating most websites in the name of removing spam and joining hands with big brands.

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ex9to5guy

14 years ago

RIP SEO...Jk Seo is not going anywhere for the next couple of years

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MaroshIS

14 years ago

According to the last research study done by Wordtracker, the CTR % for the top SERP spots has decreased since Google has been playing with the Opacity of Sponsored ads PPC ads.

Maybe in the future half of results will be PPC and half will be organic you never know. Then the dead of SEO will come literally.

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14 years ago

SEO is not dead, it is evolving just as it always has. Technology progresses so fast any more that it will make your head spin, as we all are aware. If you have the very basics down you will fair just fine."BASICS?" yep basics......

1. Quality
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Nowaday's we are so overwhelmed with trying to bend and turn with this SEO roller coaster, that we lose sight of the basics. Consistently providing good fresh content over many platforms is key imho.

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gearmonkey

14 years ago

Good SEO'ing is working better than ever!

Just got to know how to adjust

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aminfocraft123

14 years ago

When is the next penguin update planned?

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aminfocraft123

14 years ago

Is directory submission is still working in SEO or not?

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Marketing Ignite

14 years ago

If you do SEO the right way from start then you will not encounter any penalties. First and the most basic tip, read the google webmaster guidelines. Following those basic principles will save you from lots of headaches. I am not sure why so many sites get penalized when all you have to do is to follow the guidelines along with implementing intelligent SEO techniques of course.

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TotalWebsiteControl

14 years ago

Attention!! This Just In!!

While ice skating earlier today apparently a man named SEO fell through the ice and froze to death.

So yes, SEO is dead.

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aminfocraft123

13 years ago

SEO is finally dead...

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mrsvirtualassistant 13 years ago

SEO definitely isn't dead. The rules have changed, that's all. If you want ti succeed, you have to focus on quality not quantity. Provide valuable content to your audience, build high quality links, and make your website good enough for both search engines and human visitors.
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drwmendoza

13 years ago

Originally Posted by aminfocraft123

Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??

SEO is not dead.. How can a site rank if no SEO? There are lots of way to rank your site back.. just do whitewht SEO and do social network like twitter, facevook, linkin and gplus. It can really help you.

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MatthewWoodward

13 years ago

Has everyone gone crazy and forgotten what the definition of SEO actually is?

It's SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMISATION

So as long as search engines exist, we will be able to optimise for them.

You might as well say be asking "will every search engine explode at exactly the same time tomorrow?"

Edit: Actually I'm wrong, please proceed to delete all of your sites and cease all SEO/Link building activitys with immediate effect. That is all

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Josh Jocky

13 years ago

SEO will never die.. When Search Engine Optimization becomes Search Engine over optimization, it gets punished by SE's. And Search Engines also let SEO to handle the SERP. But when it crosses the limit, get affected a little bit. Other than SEO, no terms is easy to promote our site in Search Engines. This is because of, according to the search engines' algorithm, SEO is the better way in manipulating the SERP. But Search Engines will catch when we do over SEO. So, SEO will survive till search engine's live.

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trytolearnmore

13 years ago

If SEO is dead, then please call Milla Jovovich's character from Resident Evil and tell her that we have a zombie here.

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aroth

13 years ago

Not dead but on life support, this new update will finish the job.

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umbraco01

13 years ago

It is all depends upon google policies. We all are fully depends on Google. So we have to obey their rules and make our website properly

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aminfocraft123

13 years ago

Is Panda Update on Sept. Is it rumors or true?

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Michael Sutanto

13 years ago

c'mon guys.....

try to use social media because facebook has shifted Google position. Check this site.

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aminfocraft123 13 years ago

Social Media Increase your Traffic not rankings.
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sampaulino

13 years ago

SEO in very alive and its evolving. maybe other old traditional way of seo campaign are obsolete. but SEO is still there.

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awj888

13 years ago

Im not worried about it! Google still has its guide on SEO, they are not trying to kill it, no need for such drama haha,
They are just trying to combat against all the blackhat and spammy techniques which used to work in the past. If that is what you are talking about with 'hard work on SEO' then I suggest you check out the google policies, and start manual link building, writing unique original content, and focus on the user experience - its a winning situation for consumers and you should be happy about that

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desultory

13 years ago

No SEO is not DEAD SEO is promoting activity

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olelar

13 years ago

After the Penguin and Panda update my websites lost most of their rankings. I have realized that having all my traffic coming from Google search was not a good idea. Because of that I have started trying to use Youtube, Yahoo Ansers etc. to generate the bulk of my traffic. I don't think SEO is dead, it is just harder. I am trying to figure out ways to build real links to my website now instead of cheap profile links etc.

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K Mec

13 years ago

SEO is like murder mystery. When you think I caught the killer something new comes up and that killer runs away.

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