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Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??
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  • Profile picture of the author Sam Marley
    I agree with you that the recent Penguin Update and the series of Panda Updates are a big blow on SEO but many of the websites who followed white hat techniques for promoting their site through SEO are still having their rankings intact. But also many good sites have also suffered because of this update. The ultimate aim of Google is to gain more revenue using the Google Adwords and AdSense as when a website is down in ranking it automatically provokes the common mass to advertise and go for PPC rather than going for SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

    Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??
    You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

    For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

    Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.
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    • Profile picture of the author retsek
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

      For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

      Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.
      There's no crying in SEO
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      • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
        I think: google thinks to do the SEO by herself....
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    • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


      Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.


      You are going to see that quote again. I'm stealing it. LOL. Its the perfect answer to these SEO is dead threads because it doesn't even entertain discussion or give the question any legitimacy
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    • Profile picture of the author Enzo Ewens
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

      For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

      Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.


      I actually loved the Panda and Penguin updates because it separates the fly by night SEO with those people who really worked hard to earn their rankings.
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    • Profile picture of the author aadi144
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      You are ridiculous. An injustice? Because Google cracked down harder on some of the things they have been preaching against for years? Spammy links (like the one in your signature) is not "hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times".

      For all the people that got hit by Google's updates, there are plenty who saw their rankings improve greatly.

      Quit crying, figure out what you are doing wrong, and knock it off.
      I agree with you Mike,I guess he is talking about those SEOs who do hard work with spamming all the time to get on top.I am doing SEO and haven't been punished or my ranking is still improving with every update.
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  • Profile picture of the author Charley Brown
    They don't want to kill the SEO industry. They are getting rid of the fly-by-night SEOs, and those using unethical tactics to boost their SERP rankings.

    Their latest moves will likely affect some innocent websites, but it will positively impact the rankings imo. The best thing to do is to make sure you have great content, and utilize social media effectively.
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  • Profile picture of the author pluto1
    Yup, and it's weird how the search results show up now. My friend owns a classifieds site and did all the hard work (one page and off page SEO), all by himself, not much outsourced. His site was ranking pretty well in few cities showing on 1st page mostly at 3rd or 4th position. Now, his site shows up on 3rd or 4th page.

    And funny thing is, the sites that now show up on first page show up at least 6 - 7 times, different links. Basically one site has taken up the first page. If the search engines are showing one site more than twice, of course other sites are going to be pushed to later pages. He is thinking of using Adwords now, and of course that means more money for Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author RedClickSeo
    Haha, welcome to the world of SEO...

    SEO done correctly will NEVER be dead, google has to rank sites somehow. However, 99% of what you see being done and preached on these forums is not 100% whitehat and google doesn't allow it, the SEO providers will just never tell you that.

    If you build links that google allows: press releases, authoritative blog comments, guest posts, web 2.0's with unique amazing content, etc..... you will never be penalized and in the end will always come out on top.

    It's just people find an exploit in the system that is easy and fast, and they exploit it and sell it. SEO will never die... its a billion dollar industry.
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  • Profile picture of the author vksheilds
    SEO is now more tough in comparison of previous method its now about to over for spammers but seems to be competition is growing and its going to kill low quality SEO
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  • Profile picture of the author JSProjects
    Yup. Dead. Move along now.

    Of course it's not dead. It's only evolving. SEO 5 years ago was a totally different animal than it is now.
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  • Profile picture of the author HD Node
    Personally I wouldn't think of this situation in terms of justice/injustice. Google's algorithm updates are beyond our control and something we have to learn to live and work with.

    If your sites are taking a hit in the SERPS whenever Google updates their algorithm, then examining the SEO tactics you are using may be worthwhile. Also, consider other traffic sources (e.g. social).
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  • Profile picture of the author Job TI
    It's not dead you just have to be creative.
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  • Profile picture of the author moSEO
    Defiantly give up on SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Annie J
    I Have Left SEO
    I Go With PPC Or PPV On Google Or Facebook
    Real Instant Results
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    • Profile picture of the author TheFBGuy
      Yes my good friend, SEO is dead.
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    • Profile picture of the author lossman29
      Originally Posted by Annie J View Post

      I Have Left SEO
      I Go With PPC Or PPV On Google Or Facebook
      Real Instant Results
      SEO is not dead and it still remains the best way to get free traffic. Google wants people to convert to PPC and some of us are giving them just that.

      If you're SEO don't work, figure out what you did wrong, experiment, learn and improve yourself. We all work in an industry that's about experimentation and that reinvents itself every few years. This was bound to happen.

      Let's take this as an opportunity to do something new and learn from this.
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    Yap SEO is dead. RIP SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dokemion
    Google is going nuts! I often check their webmasters tools and monitored links to my site and it dropped! But still I manage to rank my keyword on the first page. What the ***** is going on with Google.
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  • Profile picture of the author marpfi
    SEO is not dead you just need to ensure you do it the right way, there always have been changes and there always will be changes in the future, everybody who is not up for this game should leave
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  • Profile picture of the author markhenryblogs
    SEO is not dead.We need to find the solution or best way.
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    • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
      I thought PPC is better option as compare to SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author sumit1
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    Hard and hard after continue updates of Google ,to being with search ranking without dominating a smart and Quality work .SEO is free part for doing search engine marketing and that is not going to dead at all .The thing going to dead is techniques that spoils the rules in making marketing over search .After penguin lots of sites get affected due to their spam work like Unnatural linking ,use of hidden text ,Over-optimization etc...
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  • Profile picture of the author ashish123
    Hi,
    SEO will never died because if SEO Died No one will come on Google .allast google market will be down.so never happen.
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  • Profile picture of the author mytrip
    If SEO may dead so what would be the organic existence of search engine result or even what would about internet marketing. I think way keep change but SEO can't
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    No, SEO is not dead. Spam free does not mean SEO free. Two have different meaning. But if you follow spamming as strategy for your SEO, certainly that is dead. Google's update is encouraging natural process of SEO, not automated one.
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  • Profile picture of the author Lakshmi SEO
    Google ultimate aim is to give accurate results to its users because people rely on google search results most of the time. Due to all the black hat methods and unnatural links even a poor website with content of no useful data and information get indexed at the first page according to Google algorithm. This made google to act rude on all spammers those who only need to make money without serving anything good to their readers. Surely SEO will not demise if people earning through websites give first priority to the end users. Gradual, Natural & Manual these three are the important aspect to optimize a site for search engines which also give unbelievable returns.
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  • Profile picture of the author go4glory
    SEO industry is not yet dead, instead google is cracking down on unethical SEO companies and black-hat practices, promoting Their guidelines strictly now.
    SEO Strategies need to change now shifting from automated techniques to more manual methods.
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    Sick and tired from these posts.
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  • Profile picture of the author nasuryono
    No, SEO is not dead.

    Sites with little to no useful content (thin affiliate sites) are dead.

    Crappy content is dead.

    Trying to game the system (Google) is dead.

    SEO is getting stronger and spam free.
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  • Profile picture of the author autotradex
    I have a mess of websites that I use SEO strategies on. The best results on sites ranking on first page come from PPC with Google Adwords and MS Adcenter.
    I also get great results from Facebook ads for direct target marketing campaigns. However, my best results with the least amount of work have been from Google Merchant Center (Google Shopping. use to be Google Base).

    I'm seriously thinking about adding a shopping or product page to all of my blogs and non e-commerce sites and uploading an xml product data feed to GMC and forgetting about SEO on these sites.
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  • Profile picture of the author Yohance j
    I hope not! I'm paying for it right now!
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  • Profile picture of the author vikorn
    i think seo never die, sure
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  • Profile picture of the author LiftMyRank
    As long as there's a google, there will be seo.....these updates have just weeded out the weak hands...
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    • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
      Originally Posted by John Moore View Post

      As long as there's a google, there will be seo.....these updates have just weeded out the weak hands...
      Agree. good point and very much true words in favor of SEO! No need to be tensed who are not spamming in the name of SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author zettax
    SEO never dead sir
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  • Profile picture of the author Makrobin
    SEO is not dead, I think Google is busy to kill spammers and low quality links via Google panda and penguin.

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author luxl85
    I think it is dead, my site in my signature are failed as seo.
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  • Profile picture of the author Theeban
    Well, I guess, they don't want to kill SEO industry, but want to wash out germs in SEO industry
    I mean to say, there are bunch of spammy link building in practice and which is not useful to end-user. So, Google is trying to wash out the sites which do spam on web.
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    • Profile picture of the author rajivwebads
      SEO will die never until there are websites and search engines SEO will not die because being placed or getting higher rankings in SE;websites need to optimized in this way SEO is the only option.
      Google must remember that it is only because of SEO.....
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by Theeban View Post

      Well, I guess, they don't want to kill SEO industry, but want to wash out germs in SEO industry
      I mean to say, there are bunch of spammy link building in practice and which is not useful to end-user. So, Google is trying to wash out the sites which do spam on web.
      The problem is they've gone about it the wrong way. Spammy links should be just discounted, but instead they are penalizing sites for it which allows negative SEO unless a site has a strong authority.

      I guess this link disinvow tool which Google mentioned will never be released because if it was then how could they stop people disallowing the spammy links which is causing filters such as penguin to trigger.
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      • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
        Now there was no scope in organic SEO just move towards PPC....
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  • Profile picture of the author vinzsama
    SEO will never die.. And you can't afford to let it die as search engines are usually the ones that contribute the most traffic.
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  • Those who are doing well and find the tactics how to we do.. That is the main point of SEO handling.. We have to analyze more more
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  • Profile picture of the author PetGuru
    Google=SEO
    That's the equation,so seo never dead.If seo dead than google will also dead....
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  • Profile picture of the author Danny Garcia
    Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

    Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??
    I think it's actually a good thing what google is doing. Although it has been a big pain in the ass for me but i learn through it every day. Every tom, dick and harry would buy some fiverr gigs, use spun articles, spam everywhere and still rank well in google, but thats not the situation anymore. i've heard some fiverr gigs are good but never tried it and never will. Just doin it manually and its been pretty good so far.

    so is SEO dead? if you're a couch potato who's willing to pay some bucks on fiverr but isn't willing to make an effort yourself then yeah!! SEO's dead. Infact it never existed.
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    • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
      I don't understand why Google penalized those sites which are innocent and using white hat techniques....
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      • Profile picture of the author retsek
        Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

        I don't understand why Google penalized those sites which are innocent and using white hat techniques....
        What innocent sites ?

        I spend LOADS of time in the official Google forums. People there post their URLs. I've yet to see an "innocent site" get hit by Penguin.
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    • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
      I thought we have to move on PPC....
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      • Profile picture of the author lossman29
        Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

        Google has to define its spamming criteria...
        Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

        SEO is dead because lots of spam kings/queens still doing spamming hilariously and getting results.
        Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

        Google gives more importance to SMO as compare to SEO because they want to promote Google +....
        Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

        I thought we have to move on PPC....
        Aminfocraft, stop trying to increase your post count by posting 4 times in a row. If you want to have a say, then say it all in a single post instead of distributing your post over several ones.
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        • Profile picture of the author ivvyevents
          SEO is far from being dead. I would say that SEO goes through transition phase every time there is a major change in the algorithms. I think with the passing of time SEO will become a much more advanced process with the advent of better technology.
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      Yes it Was !
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  • Profile picture of the author greeysmith
    Today every website need quality and relevant back links, that is created by quality content. During the working time always follow Algorithms rules, if you will do quality work and legitimate work then your website can't get hits from Google Algorithms ...
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  • Profile picture of the author rajnish
    I think SEO is going more powerful now because now only those websites are survive in Google's search result which are follow the rules and apply the relevancy and quality.
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  • Profile picture of the author Naimath
    SEO is not dead. It just got Resurrected. So if you're still gonna be stuck with the same old spammy tactics then good luck! Cause they will not work!
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  • Profile picture of the author internalsoul
    SEO is not dead and wont ever be. its how you will play with it. Play fair and you will be rewarded, Be nasty and you will be kicked off.
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  • Profile picture of the author Dentist
    Yep! SEO is Dead Quit SEO and leave it to us to waste our time. The less competitors the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    Anyone Knows about Black Hat SEO tools....
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  • Profile picture of the author GSX
    They're not killing SEO are you kidding me? They're killing BAD seo. Just play by their game and you will succeed.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    I don't know the google criteria of checking Spamming....
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  • Profile picture of the author CherylMorgan
    SEO is not dead but you have to do it smartly.
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  • Profile picture of the author Employ Filipino
    SEO is as dead as me before I published this post. SEO is still well aive and there, but you need different kinds of backlinks more than ever now, you really can't focus on one type f link building strategy.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    Google has to define its spamming criteria...
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    SEO is dead because lots of spam kings/queens still doing spamming hilariously and getting results.
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    • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
      Google gives more importance to SMO as compare to SEO because they want to promote Google +....
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  • Profile picture of the author bhushan@rancor
    No. It can't. it can be like a challenge but it can not be dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author greeysmith
    Search Engine Optimization is not dead but if your doing legitimate and quality work Google will perceive your work soon and your website will be get good position so during the working time always follow Algorithms rules..
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  • Profile picture of the author FrankRumbauskas
    I haven't read the replies because there are far too many but the short answer is:

    NOOOOO!!!!!!!

    SEO is not dead. In fact it's better than ever for those of us who have been getting spectacular results with white-hat SEO, now that most of the black-hat agencies have been slapped. Since Penguin hit in March we have had agencies approaching us asking to outsource their SEO to us since our clients were not affected and in fact their rankings IMPROVED as the competition was slapped down.
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  • Profile picture of the author coolarabguy
    As I said in the other thread, I'm doing pretty much the exact same thing I was before and it seems to be working pretty well.
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  • Profile picture of the author bamitabh
    SEO is definitely not dead,but just trying to emerge with new colors. With the ground-breaking evolutions sparked by Google, it is definitely becoming complex and difficult to keep pace with the emerging dynamics.More Google tries to shape the rules of the road geared toward the dictum 'conten is king' , it will be better. So SEO is becoming more content oriented and social oriented, weeding out the blackhat craps.
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    • Profile picture of the author coolarabguy
      Originally Posted by bamitabh View Post

      SEO is definitely not dead,but just trying to emerge with new colors. With the ground-breaking evolutions sparked by Google, it is definitely becoming complex and difficult to keep pace with the emerging dynamics.More Google tries to shape the rules of the road geared toward the dictum 'conten is king' , it will be better. So SEO is becoming more content oriented and social oriented, weeding out the blackhat craps.
      People say this every update. I'm doing the same spam **** I was a year ago and I'm still ranking. Social signals are getting more important though.
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  • Profile picture of the author Rocket web
    How else is google going to index all of the sites there are? SEO will stay, it is becoming more and more challenging for spammers.
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  • Profile picture of the author mosthost
    SEO is brain-dead (no new ideas)
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  • Profile picture of the author mileagedriver
    It is not dead. But google eliminating most websites in the name of removing spam and joining hands with big brands.
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  • Profile picture of the author ex9to5guy
    RIP SEO...Jk Seo is not going anywhere for the next couple of years
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  • Profile picture of the author MaroshIS
    According to the last research study done by Wordtracker, the CTR % for the top SERP spots has decreased since Google has been playing with the Opacity of Sponsored ads PPC ads.

    Maybe in the future half of results will be PPC and half will be organic you never know. Then the dead of SEO will come literally.
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  • Profile picture of the author HyperV Networks
    SEO is not dead, it is evolving just as it always has. Technology progresses so fast any more that it will make your head spin, as we all are aware. If you have the very basics down you will fair just fine."BASICS?" yep basics......

    1. Quality
    2. Unique
    3. No Spam
    ext.......

    Nowaday's we are so overwhelmed with trying to bend and turn with this SEO roller coaster, that we lose sight of the basics. Consistently providing good fresh content over many platforms is key imho.

    But hell, what do I know. lol
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    Good SEO'ing is working better than ever!

    Just got to know how to adjust
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    When is the next penguin update planned?
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    Is directory submission is still working in SEO or not?
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  • Profile picture of the author Marketing Ignite
    If you do SEO the right way from start then you will not encounter any penalties. First and the most basic tip, read the google webmaster guidelines. Following those basic principles will save you from lots of headaches. I am not sure why so many sites get penalized when all you have to do is to follow the guidelines along with implementing intelligent SEO techniques of course.
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  • Attention!! This Just In!!

    While ice skating earlier today apparently a man named SEO fell through the ice and froze to death.

    So yes, SEO is dead.
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    SEO is finally dead...
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    • SEO definitely isn't dead. The rules have changed, that's all. If you want ti succeed, you have to focus on quality not quantity. Provide valuable content to your audience, build high quality links, and make your website good enough for both search engines and human visitors.
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  • Profile picture of the author drwmendoza
    Originally Posted by aminfocraft123 View Post

    Google has been coming up with the changes very frequently. They say that they are making web spam free but do they want to kill the SEO industry?? Because ultimately its killing the SEO, the hard work done by SEOs on websites for long times gets in vain in just a single night. Isn't it injustice??
    SEO is not dead.. How can a site rank if no SEO? There are lots of way to rank your site back.. just do whitewht SEO and do social network like twitter, facevook, linkin and gplus. It can really help you.
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  • Profile picture of the author MatthewWoodward
    Has everyone gone crazy and forgotten what the definition of SEO actually is?

    It's SEARCH ENGINE OPTIMISATION

    So as long as search engines exist, we will be able to optimise for them.

    You might as well say be asking "will every search engine explode at exactly the same time tomorrow?"

    Edit: Actually I'm wrong, please proceed to delete all of your sites and cease all SEO/Link building activitys with immediate effect. That is all
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  • Profile picture of the author Josh Jocky
    SEO will never die.. When Search Engine Optimization becomes Search Engine over optimization, it gets punished by SE's. And Search Engines also let SEO to handle the SERP. But when it crosses the limit, get affected a little bit. Other than SEO, no terms is easy to promote our site in Search Engines. This is because of, according to the search engines' algorithm, SEO is the better way in manipulating the SERP. But Search Engines will catch when we do over SEO. So, SEO will survive till search engine's live.
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  • Profile picture of the author trytolearnmore
    If SEO is dead, then please call Milla Jovovich's character from Resident Evil and tell her that we have a zombie here.
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  • Profile picture of the author aroth
    Not dead but on life support, this new update will finish the job.
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  • Profile picture of the author umbraco01
    It is all depends upon google policies. We all are fully depends on Google. So we have to obey their rules and make our website properly
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  • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
    Is Panda Update on Sept. Is it rumors or true?
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Sutanto
    c'mon guys.....

    try to use social media because facebook has shifted Google position. Check this site.
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    • Profile picture of the author aminfocraft123
      Social Media Increase your Traffic not rankings.
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  • Profile picture of the author sampaulino
    SEO in very alive and its evolving. maybe other old traditional way of seo campaign are obsolete. but SEO is still there.
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  • Profile picture of the author awj888
    Im not worried about it! Google still has its guide on SEO, they are not trying to kill it, no need for such drama haha,
    They are just trying to combat against all the blackhat and spammy techniques which used to work in the past. If that is what you are talking about with 'hard work on SEO' then I suggest you check out the google policies, and start manual link building, writing unique original content, and focus on the user experience - its a winning situation for consumers and you should be happy about that
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  • Profile picture of the author desultory
    No SEO is not DEAD SEO is promoting activity
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  • Profile picture of the author olelar
    After the Penguin and Panda update my websites lost most of their rankings. I have realized that having all my traffic coming from Google search was not a good idea. Because of that I have started trying to use Youtube, Yahoo Ansers etc. to generate the bulk of my traffic. I don't think SEO is dead, it is just harder. I am trying to figure out ways to build real links to my website now instead of cheap profile links etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author K Mec
    SEO is like murder mystery. When you think I caught the killer something new comes up and that killer runs away.
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