How To Make Quality Links? Need specifics.

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OK, so I was on here a few weeks ago, as I'm running my first SEO campaign for a site trying to rank for skin whitening products.

Since then, I bought a domain name, (the-skin-whitening-cream dot com), and I've been using that to make back links to the back links I made to the main site, and I managed to get it up to number 6 on the search for skin whitening products.

That was after leaving it to sit for a while, and as soon as I started work again, just publishing a page on that site, it slipped down to the bottom of the second page.

I get mighty confused these days about whether I should be doing blog commenting, or whether it's a waste of time, or whether I should be doing social bookmarking, or if that's a waste of time.

I honestly don't know if anyone at all understands how the whole thing works, especially as years of experience mean nothing, when the algorithms have changed so much in the last few years.

What I want is some specific advice, like make these type of links on these sites, and that definitely works, because it worked yesterday.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    Since then, I bought a domain name, (the-skin-whitening-cream dot com), and I've been using that to make back links to the back links I made to the main site, and I managed to get it up to number 6 on the search for skin whitening products.
    Let me make sure I understand what you are saying... You have some domain, let's call it mainsite.com. You have been building backlinks to that site. Now you bought the-skin-whitening-cream.com and are using that to build links to each of those original links. Do I have that right?

    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    I get mighty confused these days about whether I should be doing blog commenting, or whether it's a waste of time, or whether I should be doing social bookmarking, or if that's a waste of time.
    Anything social is a waste of time. Bookmarking, Twitter, +1's, etc.

    I have never thought blog commenting was a very powerful back linking method. For one thing, most of your comments will never get approved. It's tough finding sites that only relate to your niche, so you end up branching out to other sites and getting a bunch of unrelated links.

    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    I honestly don't know if anyone at all understands how the whole thing works, especially as years of experience mean nothing, when the algorithms have changed so much in the last few years.

    What I want is some specific advice, like make these type of links on these sites, and that definitely works, because it worked yesterday.
    To be honest, things have not changed that much. The recent updates just brought things more in line with what Google was always preaching. Before Panda and Penguin, they just couldn't enforce a lot of the guidelines as easily.

    Relevant in-context links have always worked. They still do. Best way to get those on high PR pages is either guest posting, or buying domains yourself to create them.

    Authority directories still work. Dmoz, Best of the Web, Dmegs, pretty much anything that has a strict editorial review process and/or you have to pay for a chance to be entered in the directory.
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    • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Relevant in-context links have always worked. They still do. Best way to get those on high PR pages is either guest posting, or buying domains yourself to create them.
      If we buy the domains ourself are we just buying domains or buying relative domains with content already on the site?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

        If we buy the domains ourself are we just buying domains or buying relative domains with content already on the site?
        I just buy domains. I'm not paying extra for content. I can just change the site to whatever I want it to be.
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        • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          I just buy domains. I'm not paying extra for content. I can just change the site to whatever I want it to be.
          Ok so just so I fully understand?

          1. Buy high pr 4-7 domain related to automotive.
          2. Replace website with new "lets just say quality 5 pages of content about an automotive topic".
          3. Within that new content place a contexual link that makes sense to my Money Site.

          Then what?

          Just buy and build however many of these it takes to rank?

          Do I need unique c-class ips for each of these sites? Private registration?

          What would you suggest?

          Thanks for your insight.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            The site you buy doesn't initially have to be related to the automotive niche to turn it into an automotive related site.

            I just try to avoid domains names like ghsiex.com or zrwwqsg.net that make no sense. I turn them into something that looks like a real site. Social buttons. Sometimes a Facebook or Twitter account attached.

            I use unique C-class IPs and whois privacy.
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            • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              The site you buy doesn't initially have to be related to the automotive niche to turn it into an automotive related site.

              I just try to avoid domains names like ghsiex.com or zrwwqsg.net that make no sense. I turn them into something that looks like a real site. Social buttons. Sometimes a Facebook or Twitter account attached.

              I use unique C-class IPs and whois privacy.
              Well my question is this then.

              Are you actually ranking websites with this or only improving other domains page ranks? I am after rankings, I could care less what my green bar says if I rank #1 then I am happy.

              I am curious cuz im running out of ideas on links to obtain "quality ones" for the automotive niche.

              1. Buy high page rank domains (what do I look for?, backlinks, domain authority, age)?????
              2. The new content since I would be changing it (how does google then associate the old backlinks with the new content since it has changed?).
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                You should probably remove those links from your sig, as apparently you are not qualified to take people's money.
                Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                Well my question is this then.

                Are you actually ranking websites with this or only improving other domains page ranks? I am after rankings, I could care less what my green bar says if I rank #1 then I am happy.

                I am curious cuz im running out of ideas on links to obtain "quality ones" for the automotive niche.

                1. Buy high page rank domains (what do I look for?, backlinks, domain authority, age)?????
                2. The new content since I would be changing it (how does google then associate the old backlinks with the new content since it has changed?).
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                • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
                  Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

                  You should probably remove those links from your sig, as apparently you are not qualified to take people's money.
                  I have my clients site ranking in over 100 keywords. Run out of ideas after awhile mate. If anything my clients would be happy to know I am constantly learning and trying to improve my services.

                  But besides. Warrior is not where I make my money.
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  • Profile picture of the author lutherlars
    If you buy the domains yourself, make sure they have content that suits your nich. Here's a thought, why not write your own content, that way you know exactly where your links are coming from and that they are coming from on topic content sources.
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      Originally Posted by lutherlars View Post

      If you buy the domains yourself, make sure they have content that suits your nich. Here's a thought, why not write your own content, that way you know exactly where your links are coming from and that they are coming from on topic content sources.
      It would be great, if you could write the content yourselves and can help our domain rank. Relevant unique content is always good for us.
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  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
    Yes I'm ranking websites with this. Increasing PR doesn't make me any money.
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    • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

      Yes I'm ranking websites with this. Increasing PR doesn't make me any money.
      Interesting.

      Ok (i dont mean to steal the ops thread here at all I am just really curious how this works cuz I need a new better linking method).

      Buying a high pr domain.

      What main factors should I look for?

      • Number of backlinks?
      • Domain / Page Authority via Opensiteexplorer.com or another tool?
      • Domain name itself does not matter ie doesn't have to be automotive related?
      • What else Mike?
      Creating the new site


      What would u do? Again automotive related.


      I am thinking I would hire someone to write me 3-5 quality articles or even make one LARGE article like 2,000 or so words and make a 1 page website (is that enough or will google need a full 10-20 page website to get maximum potential out of this?).

      Am I understanding the process correctly?

      After that, am I then to link to my money site after the new site is all indexed or what happens?
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      • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
        Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

        Interesting.

        Ok (i dont mean to steal the ops thread here at all I am just really curious how this works cuz I need a new better linking method).

        Buying a high pr domain.

        What main factors should I look for?

        • Number of backlinks?
        • Domain / Page Authority via Opensiteexplorer.com or another tool?
        • Domain name itself does not matter ie doesn't have to be automotive related?
        • What else Mike?
        Creating the new site


        What would u do? Again automotive related.


        I am thinking I would hire someone to write me 3-5 quality articles or even make one LARGE article like 2,000 or so words and make a 1 page website (is that enough or will google need a full 10-20 page website to get maximum potential out of this?).

        Am I understanding the process correctly?

        After that, am I then to link to my money site after the new site is all indexed or what happens?

        Here. Read this thread.

        http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...g-network.html

        Plenty of good info in there between all the fighting.


        As far as buying domains, you are buying the backlinks pointing to the domain. I use OSE to quickly sort through them, but then I run them through SpyGlass because you need to know if the high PR links pointing at the domain still exist. If they don't, even though the toolbar might say it is a PR 4, in reality the domain is a PR 0. You also need to make sure the PR is not faked, like your PR 9 site you were talking about the other day.

        If you do not know what you are doing, you can waste a lot of money.

        Once you have the domain, you need to recreate any internal pages that had PR and any internal pages that had links pointing to them.

        There is plenty more to it, but you will find most of your answers in that thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Here. Read this thread.

          http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...g-network.html

          Plenty of good info in there between all the fighting.


          As far as buying domains, you are buying the backlinks pointing to the domain. I use OSE to quickly sort through them, but then I run them through SpyGlass because you need to know if the high PR links pointing at the domain still exist. If they don't, even though the toolbar might say it is a PR 4, in reality the domain is a PR 0. You also need to make sure the PR is not faked, like your PR 9 site you were talking about the other day.

          If you do not know what you are doing, you can waste a lot of money.

          Once you have the domain, you need to recreate any internal pages that had PR and any internal pages that had links pointing to them.

          There is plenty more to it, but you will find most of your answers in that thread.
          Would it be more cost effective for me to start my own blog network for 1 client or just buy links on other peoples networks?

          And if the answer is to just buy on other peoples, can you give me some tips on what to look for?
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

            Would it be more cost effective for me to start my own blog network for 1 client or just buy links on other peoples networks?

            And if the answer is to just buy on other peoples, can you give me some tips on what to look for?
            I would never buy spots on a network other people are selling. Once people start selling links, it is no longer a private network. You have no control over it. They might oversell it and create hundreds of links. Public networks are easy to spot and get deindexed frequently.
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            • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              I would never buy spots on a network other people are selling. Once people start selling links, it is no longer a private network. You have no control over it. They might oversell it and create hundreds of links. Public networks are easy to spot and get deindexed frequently.
              Right but starting a network (im going to assume is 10 or so sites).

              I ran my own blog network back in the day and have over 500 sites. But then I sold it.

              However starting that cost me well over 5,000 in the course of about 4 months. I made 5 times that via selling links on it and then sold the whole network.

              I know what a blog network is, how it works, and such but it seems awfully costly for just 1 client.

              Or are you saying I should start my own GENERAL BLOGS as in sites the contain posts about many different things / categories. With a car section and I list my one client in it?
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                Right but starting a network (im going to assume is 10 or so sites).

                I ran my own blog network back in the day and have over 500 sites. But then I sold it.

                However starting that cost me well over 5,000 in the course of about 4 months. I made 5 times that via selling links on it and then sold the whole network.

                I know what a blog network is, how it works, and such but it seems awfully costly for just 1 client.
                If you are buying high PR domains, you do not need 500 of them to rank one site. Forget about the LaClear and BMR style of mass publishing tons of articles. It's not needed. In most niches, just a handful will get the job done.

                Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                Or are you saying I should start my own GENERAL BLOGS as in sites the contain posts about many different things / categories. With a car section and I list my one client in it?
                God no. I stay away from general sites. I build niche specific sites. For example I have healthcare/healthy living sites. I can use those for any medical practices, dental practices, etc. I have finance sites. I can use those for real estate, insurance, etc.

                Sometimes I go more niche specific. Right now I'm expanding an insurance only network.

                The only time I use a domain for something more general is if I build a directory on it. I have a few directories that I run where people can pay for listings. Kind of like Best of the Web.
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                • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  If you are buying high PR domains, you do not need 500 of them to rank one site. Forget about the LaClear and BMR style of mass publishing tons of articles. It's not needed. In most niches, just a handful will get the job done.



                  God no. I stay away from general sites. I build niche specific sites. For example I have healthcare/healthy living sites. I can use those for any medical practices, dental practices, etc. I have finance sites. I can use those for real estate, insurance, etc.

                  Sometimes I go more niche specific. Right now I'm expanding an insurance only network.

                  The only time I use a domain for something more general is if I build a directory on it. I have a few directories that I run where people can pay for listings. Kind of like Best of the Web.
                  Alright cool that is what I assumed.

                  Hey I know your super busy but would you mind if I pmed you with the auto sites I already purchased (already been thinking bout trying something similar to this). An I will also show you my money site and you tell me what you think?

                  If not thats cool.
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                  • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                    Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                    Alright cool that is what I assumed.

                    Hey I know your super busy but would you mind if I pmed you with the auto sites I already purchased (already been thinking bout trying something similar to this). An I will also show you my money site and you tell me what you think?

                    If not thats cool.

                    That's fine. Just might take me a day or two to respond.
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                      Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                      That's fine. Just might take me a day or two to respond.
                      No problem. Thank you sir.
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                      • Profile picture of the author connorbringas
                        Quality links mean writing some articles on do follow article directories, add your URL to directory sites, blog commenting, and blog writing on your website. Create quality content and you will get links.
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                        • Profile picture of the author Hardy Chou
                          Originally Posted by connorbringas View Post

                          Quality links mean writing some articles on do follow article directories, add your URL to directory sites, blog commenting, and blog writing on your website. Create quality content and you will get links.
                          Mis-information. Quality links means none of the above. Article directories have tanked in terms of ranking. Directories sites might help if they are human-edited directories like DMOZ. But I guess you're referring to automatic submission to thousands of web directories which in my opinion will not get you anywhere. Blog commenting is not that great nowadays, isn't it?
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            • Profile picture of the author Hardy Chou
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              I would never buy spots on a network other people are selling. Once people start selling links, it is no longer a private network. You have no control over it. They might oversell it and create hundreds of links. Public networks are easy to spot and get deindexed frequently.
              There are a few sellers that limit OBL but you need to know where to find them. However, if you have the cash, then by all means build your own private network.
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              • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
                Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

                OK, so I was on here a few weeks ago, as I'm running my first SEO campaign for a site trying to rank for skin whitening products.

                Since then, I bought a domain name, (the-skin-whitening-cream dot com), and I've been using that to make back links to the back links I made to the main site, and I managed to get it up to number 6 on the search for skin whitening products.

                That was after leaving it to sit for a while, and as soon as I started work again, just publishing a page on that site, it slipped down to the bottom of the second page.

                I get mighty confused these days about whether I should be doing blog commenting, or whether it's a waste of time, or whether I should be doing social bookmarking, or if that's a waste of time.

                I honestly don't know if anyone at all understands how the whole thing works, especially as years of experience mean nothing, when the algorithms have changed so much in the last few years.

                What I want is some specific advice, like make these type of links on these sites, and that definitely works, because it worked yesterday.
                While me and Mike have been talking about blog networks on your thread, if you are interested in what makes a quality link. I wrote a 2 part series all about it here: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...k-quality.html

                Originally Posted by Hardy Chou View Post

                Mis-information. Quality links means none of the above. Article directories have tanked in terms of ranking. Directories sites might help if they are human-edited directories like DMOZ. But I guess you're referring to automatic submission to thousands of web directories which in my opinion will not get you anywhere. Blog commenting is not that great nowadays, isn't it?
                Actually article directories do still work. Just not as well as they once did. However I still believe its important to get traffic and articles still bring that.

                Originally Posted by Hardy Chou View Post

                There are a few sellers that limit OBL but you need to know where to find them. However, if you have the cash, then by all means build your own private network.
                I intend to, I am just unsure it will really work still. But I am talkin to Mike and we shall see
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                • Profile picture of the author Hardy Chou
                  Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                  Actually article directories do still work. Just not as well as they once did. However I still believe its important to get traffic and articles still bring that.
                  I am not too sure if you're serious. If you find that article directories still work, it means that your niche is not competitive enough.

                  Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                  I intend to, I am just unsure it will really work still. But I am talkin to Mike and we shall see
                  It works. Just experiment with it. Not everything needs to be talked with Mike, you know.
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        • Profile picture of the author palms
          Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

          Once you have the domain, you need to recreate any internal pages that had PR and any internal pages that had links pointing to them.
          Mike, what do you do about .PDF files. Do you re-create the urls, or drop them?
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            Originally Posted by palms View Post

            Mike, what do you do about .PDF files. Do you re-create the urls, or drop them?
            Re-create them,
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by Hardy Chou View Post

            There are a few sellers that limit OBL but you need to know where to find them. However, if you have the cash, then by all means build your own private network.
            Yeah, but you have no guarantee that they will always limit the OBL or keep the links all niche related. I'm just not a fan of those, but to each their own.

            Originally Posted by palms View Post

            Mike, what do you do about .PDF files. Do you re-create the urls, or drop them?
            301 redirect the URL to another related URL or the homepage.

            Unless their are no links pointing to the PDF. If there are no links pointing to the page, no reason to recreate or redirect anything.
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  • Profile picture of the author johnrone
    I don't think doing blog commenting and social bookmarking is a waste of time. They are just two of the other strategies in building high quality links. Perhaps you should also consider other strategies, such as writing guest posts and unique contents to article directories such as Ezine. Based on what I've read on the official Google Webmaster Central Blog, the latest update on "Panda" algorithm is designed to improve rankings for a large number of high-quality websites. So, their advice for publishers is to focus on delivering the best possible user experience on their websites and not to focus too much on what they think are Google's current ranking algorithms or signals. It is important then to post unique, high-quality contents in doing blog commenting, guest posting, and article submissions. I hope this would help.
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    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    OK, so I was on here a few weeks ago, as I'm running my first SEO campaign for a site trying to rank for skin whitening products.

    Since then, I bought a domain name, (the-skin-whitening-cream dot com), and I've been using that to make back links to the back links I made to the main site, and I managed to get it up to number 6 on the search for skin whitening products.

    That was after leaving it to sit for a while, and as soon as I started work again, just publishing a page on that site, it slipped down to the bottom of the second page.

    I get mighty confused these days about whether I should be doing blog commenting, or whether it's a waste of time, or whether I should be doing social bookmarking, or if that's a waste of time.

    I honestly don't know if anyone at all understands how the whole thing works, especially as years of experience mean nothing, when the algorithms have changed so much in the last few years.

    What I want is some specific advice, like make these type of links on these sites, and that definitely works, because it worked yesterday.
    Let me share you something, never heard it discussed before though.

    If you're focusing on one keyword, you might be seeing disappointed in few days. You should grab likely a few more keywords for your website and optimize them one by one.

    As long you're optimizing your website as in user experienced, and not the way how people did for the bots, you're safe. Goodluck my friend. And don't try to be stagnant in just backlinks backlinks backlinks. I did alot of testing which was like I try different strategy on 130 websites I own and this is the simplest and working strategy. No lie. But knowing that your ranking won't shoot up straight away, and but you're will be seeing your keywords will be all ranking in your favor.
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    OK, so I'm not sure if I have the money or time to go and buy another domain name, I'm working on building this one up from scratch as a sister site. I have a no follow photo banner link in the sidebar leading to the main site on every page, and a do follow link to the main site from the home page, is that OK for SEO?

    What I was looking for was some fairly simple ideas of back links that still work, like today I wrote a Squidoo lens linking to the sister site, and I assume that's still a positive thing for rankings, even if it only works a little. I need some more sites that are easy to publish on, that still give a fairly good back link, like I need names, Info Barrel, Triond, Knoji, Yahoo Voices, etc. The guest posting is hard, but I guess I might try to do that as well.
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      Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

      OK, so I'm not sure if I have the money or time to go and buy another domain name, I'm working on building this one up from scratch as a sister site. I have a no follow photo banner link in the sidebar leading to the main site on every page, and a do follow link to the main site from the home page, is that OK for SEO?

      What I was looking for was some fairly simple ideas of back links that still work, like today I wrote a Squidoo lens linking to the sister site, and I assume that's still a positive thing for rankings, even if it only works a little. I need some more sites that are easy to publish on, that still give a fairly good back link, like I need names, Info Barrel, Triond, Knoji, Yahoo Voices, etc. The guest posting is hard, but I guess I might try to do that as well.
      That's the idea. WordPress.com is the name I'd give you. Create some WordPress blogs, write good content on them and link back to your main site. You still want to backlink those, but even without a ton of links the content you'd write will get indexed.
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    If you want quality links make blog comments on relevant and same niche blogs, do guest blogging, press release submission and submit your blog post to top social bookmarking sites. Unique content plus high quality links will help to increase your keywords ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author Hardy Chou
      Blog comments are not quality links.

      Originally Posted by dukerutherford View Post

      If you want quality links make blog comments on relevant and same niche blogs, do guest blogging, press release submission and submit your blog post to top social bookmarking sites. Unique content plus high quality links will help to increase your keywords ranking.
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    • Profile picture of the author john8954
      Originally Posted by dukerutherford View Post

      If you want quality links make blog comments on relevant and same niche blogs, do guest blogging, press release submission and submit your blog post to top social bookmarking sites. Unique content plus high quality links will help to increase your keywords ranking.
      What would say about articles submissions? How many submission we should do for single article?

      Yes, blog gives better result if you find relevant blogs. But it is tough to find.

      Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    Originally Posted by rowanman28 View Post

    I bought a domain name, (the-skin-whitening-cream dot com)
    After everything that's been said and done, people are STILL buying these useless domains.

    Why?????
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