Great example of a PR4 EMD with no content

14 years ago

Lmao

I'm glad this is the first thing I'm posting on here at WF hahaha.

I haven't even checked the PR yet because I started LOLing when I read the domain name and the index page

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harry911

14 years ago

It's funny, but it won't stay there

It will be gone in the next panda refresh

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jovykhan 14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

It's funny, but it won't stay there It will be gone in the next panda refresh

I think that site has survived the Panda and Penguin's might, that's why it stayed there for 2 years.
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- paulgl 14 years ago
  
  I don't think this was a thread about any EMD update...
  
  I always wanted to own one of those one page websites that
  gets tons of traffic. Just like that one.
  
  Anyone here old enough to remember hamster dance? I'm sure
  there are tons of these sites around, high PR, etc.
  
  One of my all time favorites is onlineclock.net
  Ranks #1, PR5
  
  These sites serve a purpose, even if some are jokes.
  
  The EMD update had little to do with EMD's. There's a difference
  between a gobblydeegook EMD and an "EMD."
  
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  jovykhan 14 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by paulgl
  
  These sites serve a purpose, even if some are jokes.
  
  This is what I have in mind that I cannot express.
  
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kimseo

14 years ago

Exceptions are everywhere

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TuNguyen

14 years ago

Lol

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Originally Posted by UMS

Who says you can't rank an EMD with no content and also have a PR4. :p

How Does Homeopathy Work?

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kimseo 14 years ago

Originally Posted by TuNguyen

Lol

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What does it say?
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hadtic

14 years ago

Panda refresh is due soon and i am sure you will see your site drop in the rankings after that to be honest but please let us know if it stays in the same position after the refresh

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

It's funny, but it won't stay there

It will be gone in the next panda refresh

Really? And you call yourself an "SEO Mastermind"?

Content has nothing to do with PR. Incoming links are what gives a site its PR.

If the links remain, the PR will remain.

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kimseo

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

And you run an SEO company?

If the links remain, the PR will remain.

Yes, I run an SEO company and also i understand PR has nothing to do with content and it will remain there as long as links are there.

Moreover, I talked about SERP not PR

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by kimseo

Yes, I run an SEO company and also i understand PR has nothing to do with content and it will remain there as long as links are there.

Moreover, I talked about SERP not PR

My fault. I was under the impression you were talking about the PR.

Edited my comment.

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harry911

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Really? And you call yourself an "SEO Mastermind"?

Content has nothing to do with PR. Incoming links are what gives a site its PR.

If the links remain, the PR will remain.

When did I ever say anything about PR? PR has nothing to do with ranking. It's still easy to rank sites with a ton of spam links and 301 redirects but these sites are taken out in panda and penguin refreshes that happen every month. Also I think this site won't stay at this position for even 2-3 days. Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums

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gotlinks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

When did I ever say anything about PR? PR has nothing to do with ranking. It's still easy to rank sites with a ton of spam links and 301 redirects but these sites are taken out in panda and penguin refreshes that happen every month. Also I think this site won't stay at this position for even 2-3 days. Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums

Google is too busy to watch these forums.

However, the site will drop because nothing with bad content will stay forever. Nuff said.

You Don't need amazing content but a decent site goes a long way.

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harry911 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

Google is too busy to watch these forums.

Wrong! How else do you think all public blog networks got caught?
Google keeps an eye on SEO services and discussions that are made on SEO forums. It's pretty obvious; if you owned a system and there was a forum dedicated to gaming your system, won't you keep an eye on it?
There is a whole WEBSPAM team at Google, and watching such threads is a small part of it. Even Matt Cutts shared a forum thread on his twitter account!
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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

When did I ever say anything about PR? PR has nothing to do with ranking. It's still easy to rank sites with a ton of spam links and 301 redirects but these sites are taken out in panda and penguin refreshes that happen every month. Also I think this site won't stay at this position for even 2-3 days. Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums

Somewhere in my morning daze the title and OP got merged together. I thought your comment was referring to the PR.

I'm not so sure the rankings will change though. Limited content does not trigger the Panda filter. I haven't looked too closely at the links, but the few I looked at didn't look real spammy.

If the links are bad though, it will get caught up in a Penguin update at some point.

But again, limited content does not mean a site cannot rank.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

Google is too busy to watch these forums.

However, the site will drop because nothing with bad content will stay forever. Nuff said.

You Don't need amazing content but a decent site goes a long way.

Originally Posted by harry911

Wrong! How else do you think all public blog networks got caught?
Google keeps an eye on SEO services and discussions that are made on SEO forums. It's pretty obvious; if you owned a system and there was a forum dedicated to gaming your system, won't you keep an eye on it?
There is a whole WEBSPAM team at Google, and watching such threads is a small part of it. Even Matt Cutts shared a forum thread on his twitter account!

Yeah, I agree with that. I have no doubt that Google keeps an eye on marketing and SEO forums. They would be stupid not to.

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gotlinks

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Yeah, I agree with that. I have no doubt that Google keeps an eye on marketing and SEO forums. They would be stupid not to.

But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.

They do not need to watch every forum. Just the most popular ones.

Things being discussed on those smaller fringe forums really are no different than things being talked about here.

Google doesn't need people to publicly share their sites, although plenty of people do here through their forum signature. They just can keep track of popular trends, techniques, spam that people are using.

Look at the link tactics that Google has squashed in the last few years...

Linkwheels (not pyramids, trees, etc. The original wheel.)
Forum profile links
Public blog networks

All were hugely popular topics here and on other forums at one time.

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harry911

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.

There are not hundreds of thousands of active SEO forums. There are just 4-5 good active SEO forums where real ranking tactics are discussed.
And why wouldn't Google watch them? If there is a shady method to game the algo, Google would want to know it and fix it! 301 redirects, blog networks worked great a few months before; how do you think Google caught up?
Do you know why blog networks stopped giving reports? Because Google employees were buying those links and banning those networks!

Even the networks that used 100% unique content, different IPs and did absolutely no interlinking were hit. Why ? Cuz the big G is watching

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.

theres no longer any question that they do - Matt Cutts tweeted about a forum post on traffic planet after the rental networks were taken down

https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/180392083427823616

Why wouldn't the anti spam team be watching what the spam team is doing. In sports they call that a scouting report

which is why I expect tiered link building to be the next target. Its all "spammers" and blasters now talk about

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retsek

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

theres no longer any question that they do - Matt Cutts tweeted about a forum post on traffic planet after the rental networks were taken down

https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/180392083427823616

Why wouldn't the anti spam team be watching what the spam team is doing. In sports they call that a scouting report

which is why I expect tiered link building to be the next target. Its all "spammers" and blasters now talk about

Even more recently than that ..there was a guy here that claimed "The only footprint is Wordpress" in promoting his network. Cutts had to pick that up from this forum or one of the other forums he was pushing it on. Actually, here's the thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...wordpress.html

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harry911

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

Somewhere in my morning daze the title and OP got merged together. I thought your comment was referring to the PR.

I'm not so sure the rankings will change though. Limited content does not trigger the Panda filter. I haven't looked too closely at the links, but the few I looked at didn't look real spammy.

If the links are bad though, it will get caught up in a Penguin update at some point.

But again, limited content does not mean a site cannot rank.

I agree with you on limited content. I'm saying in context of this particular site. I've seen sites like these before. They generally vanish from Serps in 4-5 days.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

I agree with you on limited content. I'm saying in context of this particular site. I've seen sites like these before. They generally vanish from Serps in 4-5 days.

Oh, I know what you mean. The WTF? kind of threads... Like the "make money online" Blogger site right after Penguin. Disappeared in a week or two.

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UMS

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

I agree with you on limited content. I'm saying in context of this particular site. I've seen sites like these before. They generally vanish from Serps in 4-5 days.

This site is over 2 years old and is unlikely to disappear in the SERPs anytime soon.

BTW: just in case anyone is wondering, this is NOT my site.

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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

But again, limited content does not mean a site cannot rank.

Exactly! I can't remember how many times I've tried to explain to people in other threads that they don't have to have 1,000 words of text for the sake of SEO. People still think they need to load up a page with text, they look at sites like wiki that always rank first page & assume it's all that text, what they don't look at is the links that are doing most of the work (not necessarily external links either).

I've been ranking my own low text count pages for years, has nothing to do with an algo. update.

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UMS

14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Exactly! I can't remember how many times I've tried to explain to people in other threads that they don't have to have 1,000 words of text for the sake of SEO. People still think they need to load up a page with text, they look at sites like wiki that always rank first page & assume it's all that text, what they don't look at is the links that are doing most of the work (not necessarily external links either).

I've been ranking my own low text count pages for years, has nothing to do with an algo. update.

That's why a lot of look up services that have as much content as the Google homepage rank well.

For example, What WordPress Theme Is That? has virtually no text on the homepage and it ranks very well.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

The problem with threads like these is that the lessons learned from the examples rarely translates into real world money sites

The term gets less than 800 searches a month globally and is not a phrase that leads to direct monetization so the competition is low.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by Mike Anthony

The problem with threads like these is that the lessons learned from the examples rarely translates into real world money sites

The term gets less than 600 searches a month and is not a phrase that leads to direct monetization so the competition is low.

"Search engine" gets 110,000 searches a month. Sites like Bing, DuckDuckGo, and DogPile are on page one with no real content.

I'm not advocating people build websites with little or no content. Just pointing out that you can do just fine without the BS 1000-word article on your front page.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeFriedman

"Search engine" gets 110,000 searches a month. Sites like Bing, DuckDuckGo, and DogPile are on page one with no real content.

I'm not advocating people build websites with little or no content. Just pointing out that you can do just fine without the BS 1000-word article on your front page.

I should and was about to add "for the average Imer" and I agree on the 1,000 word article but none of those examples mirror where the average Imer is at. Those companies have public relations departments and get mad tech blog coverage with authority links that Imers don't get.

Even the serp in question in this thread - its a novelty site - Its link bait for the cause and its intentional brevity and to the point statement is meant to highlight that so its dubious it would work beans for a commercial site.Its great linkbait though.

The only take away the average Imer is going to get from this is that they can put up even less content and slap it with the kinds of links that most imers get and get tanked or rank for non competitive terms with no real monetary value.

Its very similar to the "click here" example people use to use with Adobe. The big problem is it was completely non duplicable to rank for a term the way Adobe ranks for click here. Adobe ranked because they own and programmed the document platform used across the world.

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SeoKnightsInc

14 years ago

Originally Posted by harry911

Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums

Wrong! How else do you think all public blog networks got caught?
Google keeps an eye on SEO services and discussions that are made on SEO forums. It's pretty obvious; if you owned a system and there was a forum dedicated to gaming your system, won't you keep an eye on it? There is a whole WEBSPAM team at Google, and watching such threads is a small part of it.

Do you know why blog networks stopped giving reports? Because Google employees were buying those links and banning those networks!

Lol, I thought i was watching a 007 movie. You got carried away too much.

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MikeFriedman

14 years ago

Originally Posted by hadtic

Panda refresh is due soon and i am sure you will see your site drop in the rankings after that to be honest but please let us know if it stays in the same position after the refresh

Panda will not hurt the site. Panda has to do with bad content, not limited content. If Panda hurt sites with limited content, then google.com would be screwed.

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kimseo

14 years ago

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Arina

14 years ago

terrific example, thanks for sharing

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gotlinks

14 years ago

Matt cutts is not part of a team that manually checks web spam... He is strictly a spokesman.

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harry911 14 years ago

Originally Posted by gotlinks

Matt cutts is not part of a team that manually checks web spam... He is strictly a spokesman.

LOL, I'm not saying Matt Cutts himself checks these forums, but believe me there are people who watch SEO forums. He's actually the head of web spam at google (much more than just a spokesman ).
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yukon

Banned 14 years ago

Really I doubt the owner of that site (link in OP) is trying to monetize, they have some other agenda to flame homeopathy.

The owner of that site is (Merseyside Skeptics Society) & owns the following sites:

http://www.1023.org.uk/
http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/
http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

From what I see, the goal is to get the public stirred up.

I imagine they have more sites than the 3 listed above.

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Fraggler 14 years ago

Originally Posted by yukon

Really I doubt the owner of that site (link in OP) is trying to monetize, they have some other agenda to flame homeopathy.

Great link bait with a perfect domain name! I can see all sorts of people trolling with that URL. I'll be adding it to me arsenal. :p
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bhmseoservices

14 years ago

I actually find this rather amusing. It makes sense. If you've been building links since you've registered this domain in 1995 and it's a constant thing you're doing then I'm not surprised that your a PR4.
Keep on trucking my good man.

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Mike Anthony

14 years ago

Paul I just have to say - Your sig is blasphemy. How dare you tell people that in business you might have to spend some money

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kimseo

14 years ago

What do you guys say about Movie Online ?
It's an Exact Match Domain (EMD) but #1 for "movie online" (more than 6 million monthly search )

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yukon Banned 14 years ago
Originally Posted by kimseo

What do you guys say about Movie Online ?
It's an Exact Match Domain (EMD) but #1 for "movie online" (more than 6 million monthly search )

I see 6,600 monthly searches (big difference).
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  Originally Posted by yukon
  
  I see 6,600 monthly searches (big difference).
  
  Local (US)
  
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  I mentioned global and broad search volume. Anyways, I believe it's a highly competitive search term.Right?
  
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  Originally Posted by kimseo
  
  I mentioned global and broad search volume. Anyways, I believe it's a highly competitive search term.Right?
  
  Global is a false number unless they rank all 161 countries/SERPs, doubtful they're ranking in all countries.
  
  The keyword itself must not be too popular with advertisers, all I see is Netflix & Hulu in paid search (no advertisers in the sidebar).
  
  If the traffic is actually 6,600 targeted traffic & you have a way to monetize the traffic, sure it's a decent keyword.
  
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14 years ago

It is all about looseness of Google! Or being over-smart as well.

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bestrevenueshare

13 years ago

This EMD site crushed panda, penguin and humingbird updates.

Lesson learned, Content is not king, quality back link and relevancy is the key. For that search term it's still at #1 on serp.

Sorry for the necro.

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Taniwha

13 years ago

Usually I frown upon people pumping year old threads, but in this case, I'm grateful.

It's interesting to see that this has withstood the "ruthless Google updates", with just a handful of words.

What are the experts take on this? EMDs still strong?

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nik0

Banned 13 years ago

LOL, one year later the site is still there with a whole bunch of crappy links like blog comments that the owner placed him self.

A lot of it seems to come from relevant domains though, maybe that's the key?

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patco

13 years ago

This website is a joke... No matter if it has PR0 or PR8... It won't help his owner to sell anything! It's not even worth the time to build those backlinks. I saw it's live since 2010... I can't understand the reason to create it!

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bestrevenueshare

13 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

This website is a joke... No matter if it has PR0 or PR8... It won't help his owner to sell anything! It's not even worth the time to build those backlinks. I saw it's live since 2010... I can't understand the reason to create it!

Thousands of new comers can learn from it and these types of things may help to understand new Google updates, that gonna come. Most probably it was to test op's concern and than he moved to bigger projects.

- is not it make enough reasons?

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Kevin Maguire

13 years ago

Originally Posted by patco

This website is a joke... No matter if it has PR0 or PR8... It won't help his owner to sell anything! It's not even worth the time to build those backlinks. I saw it's live since 2010... I can't understand the reason to create it!

I thought the content was everything I'd ever need to know about the subject. A true authority site...

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MikeFriedman 13 years ago

Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire

I thought the content was everything I'd ever need to know about the subject. A true authority site...

Completely agree. No need for 500 words of content. This page answers the question being asked. Hummingbird probably loves it.
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WinsonYeung

13 years ago

LOL Funny website!

It doesn't!

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jxam69

13 years ago

To ensure that site doesn't get a penguin penalty, they should dilute their exact match anchor text to 1 part in 6.02214 �--10^23

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Great example of a PR4 EMD with no content

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