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Great example of a PR4 EMD with no content

by UMS
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Who says you can't rank an EMD with no content and also have a PR4. :p

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#content #emd #great #pr4
  • Profile picture of the author TheRealRazzy
    Lmao

    I'm glad this is the first thing I'm posting on here at WF hahaha.

    I haven't even checked the PR yet because I started LOLing when I read the domain name and the index page
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    It's funny, but it won't stay there It will be gone in the next panda refresh
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    • Profile picture of the author jovykhan
      Originally Posted by harry911 View Post

      It's funny, but it won't stay there It will be gone in the next panda refresh
      I think that site has survived the Panda and Penguin's might, that's why it stayed there for 2 years.
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      • Profile picture of the author paulgl
        I don't think this was a thread about any EMD update...

        I always wanted to own one of those one page websites that
        gets tons of traffic. Just like that one.

        Anyone here old enough to remember hamster dance? I'm sure
        there are tons of these sites around, high PR, etc.

        One of my all time favorites is onlineclock.net
        Ranks #1, PR5

        These sites serve a purpose, even if some are jokes.

        The EMD update had little to do with EMD's. There's a difference
        between a gobblydeegook EMD and an "EMD."

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    Exceptions are everywhere
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  • Profile picture of the author TuNguyen
    Lol

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    Originally Posted by UMS View Post

    Who says you can't rank an EMD with no content and also have a PR4. :p

    How Does Homeopathy Work?
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  • Profile picture of the author hadtic
    Panda refresh is due soon and i am sure you will see your site drop in the rankings after that to be honest but please let us know if it stays in the same position after the refresh
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by harry911 View Post

      It's funny, but it won't stay there It will be gone in the next panda refresh
      Really? And you call yourself an "SEO Mastermind"?

      Content has nothing to do with PR. Incoming links are what gives a site its PR.

      If the links remain, the PR will remain.
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      • Profile picture of the author kimseo
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post


        And you run an SEO company?


        If the links remain, the PR will remain.
        Yes, I run an SEO company and also i understand PR has nothing to do with content and it will remain there as long as links are there.

        Moreover, I talked about SERP not PR
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by kimseo View Post

          Yes, I run an SEO company and also i understand PR has nothing to do with content and it will remain there as long as links are there.

          Moreover, I talked about SERP not PR

          My fault. I was under the impression you were talking about the PR.

          Edited my comment.
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      • Profile picture of the author harry911
        Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

        Really? And you call yourself an "SEO Mastermind"?

        Content has nothing to do with PR. Incoming links are what gives a site its PR.

        If the links remain, the PR will remain.
        When did I ever say anything about PR? PR has nothing to do with ranking. It's still easy to rank sites with a ton of spam links and 301 redirects but these sites are taken out in panda and penguin refreshes that happen every month. Also I think this site won't stay at this position for even 2-3 days. Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums
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        • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
          Originally Posted by harry911 View Post

          When did I ever say anything about PR? PR has nothing to do with ranking. It's still easy to rank sites with a ton of spam links and 301 redirects but these sites are taken out in panda and penguin refreshes that happen every month. Also I think this site won't stay at this position for even 2-3 days. Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums
          Google is too busy to watch these forums.

          However, the site will drop because nothing with bad content will stay forever. Nuff said.

          You Don't need amazing content but a decent site goes a long way.
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          • Profile picture of the author harry911
            Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

            Google is too busy to watch these forums.
            Wrong! How else do you think all public blog networks got caught?
            Google keeps an eye on SEO services and discussions that are made on SEO forums. It's pretty obvious; if you owned a system and there was a forum dedicated to gaming your system, won't you keep an eye on it?
            There is a whole WEBSPAM team at Google, and watching such threads is a small part of it. Even Matt Cutts shared a forum thread on his twitter account!
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        • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
          Originally Posted by harry911 View Post

          When did I ever say anything about PR? PR has nothing to do with ranking. It's still easy to rank sites with a ton of spam links and 301 redirects but these sites are taken out in panda and penguin refreshes that happen every month. Also I think this site won't stay at this position for even 2-3 days. Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums
          Somewhere in my morning daze the title and OP got merged together. I thought your comment was referring to the PR.

          I'm not so sure the rankings will change though. Limited content does not trigger the Panda filter. I haven't looked too closely at the links, but the few I looked at didn't look real spammy.

          If the links are bad though, it will get caught up in a Penguin update at some point.

          But again, limited content does not mean a site cannot rank.
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          • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
            Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

            Google is too busy to watch these forums.

            However, the site will drop because nothing with bad content will stay forever. Nuff said.

            You Don't need amazing content but a decent site goes a long way.
            Originally Posted by harry911 View Post

            Wrong! How else do you think all public blog networks got caught?
            Google keeps an eye on SEO services and discussions that are made on SEO forums. It's pretty obvious; if you owned a system and there was a forum dedicated to gaming your system, won't you keep an eye on it?
            There is a whole WEBSPAM team at Google, and watching such threads is a small part of it. Even Matt Cutts shared a forum thread on his twitter account!

            Yeah, I agree with that. I have no doubt that Google keeps an eye on marketing and SEO forums. They would be stupid not to.
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            • Profile picture of the author gotlinks
              Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

              Yeah, I agree with that. I have no doubt that Google keeps an eye on marketing and SEO forums. They would be stupid not to.
              But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.
                They do not need to watch every forum. Just the most popular ones.

                Things being discussed on those smaller fringe forums really are no different than things being talked about here.

                Google doesn't need people to publicly share their sites, although plenty of people do here through their forum signature. They just can keep track of popular trends, techniques, spam that people are using.

                Look at the link tactics that Google has squashed in the last few years...

                Linkwheels (not pyramids, trees, etc. The original wheel.)
                Forum profile links
                Public blog networks

                All were hugely popular topics here and on other forums at one time.
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              • Profile picture of the author harry911
                Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.
                There are not hundreds of thousands of active SEO forums. There are just 4-5 good active SEO forums where real ranking tactics are discussed.
                And why wouldn't Google watch them? If there is a shady method to game the algo, Google would want to know it and fix it! 301 redirects, blog networks worked great a few months before; how do you think Google caught up?
                Do you know why blog networks stopped giving reports? Because Google employees were buying those links and banning those networks! Even the networks that used 100% unique content, different IPs and did absolutely no interlinking were hit. Why ? Cuz the big G is watching !
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              • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

                But there are hundreds and thousands of seo forums. And anyone who knows whats what doesnt publicly share their own sites. Why does Google need to watch them then? Idk I fail to see the connection to why they would want to.... Maybe im just stupid.
                theres no longer any question that they do - Matt Cutts tweeted about a forum post on traffic planet after the rental networks were taken down

                https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/180392083427823616

                Why wouldn't the anti spam team be watching what the spam team is doing. In sports they call that a scouting report

                which is why I expect tiered link building to be the next target. Its all "spammers" and blasters now talk about
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                  Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                  theres no longer any question that they do - Matt Cutts tweeted about a forum post on traffic planet after the rental networks were taken down

                  https://twitter.com/mattcutts/status/180392083427823616

                  Why wouldn't the anti spam team be watching what the spam team is doing. In sports they call that a scouting report

                  which is why I expect tiered link building to be the next target. Its all "spammers" and blasters now talk about
                  Even more recently than that ..there was a guy here that claimed "The only footprint is Wordpress" in promoting his network. Cutts had to pick that up from this forum or one of the other forums he was pushing it on. Actually, here's the thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/adsense-...wordpress.html
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          • Profile picture of the author harry911
            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            Somewhere in my morning daze the title and OP got merged together. I thought your comment was referring to the PR.

            I'm not so sure the rankings will change though. Limited content does not trigger the Panda filter. I haven't looked too closely at the links, but the few I looked at didn't look real spammy.

            If the links are bad though, it will get caught up in a Penguin update at some point.

            But again, limited content does not mean a site cannot rank.
            I agree with you on limited content. I'm saying in context of this particular site. I've seen sites like these before. They generally vanish from Serps in 4-5 days.
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            Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

            But again, limited content does not mean a site cannot rank.

            Exactly! I can't remember how many times I've tried to explain to people in other threads that they don't have to have 1,000 words of text for the sake of SEO. People still think they need to load up a page with text, they look at sites like wiki that always rank first page & assume it's all that text, what they don't look at is the links that are doing most of the work (not necessarily external links either).

            I've been ranking my own low text count pages for years, has nothing to do with an algo. update.
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            • Profile picture of the author UMS
              Originally Posted by yukon View Post

              Exactly! I can't remember how many times I've tried to explain to people in other threads that they don't have to have 1,000 words of text for the sake of SEO. People still think they need to load up a page with text, they look at sites like wiki that always rank first page & assume it's all that text, what they don't look at is the links that are doing most of the work (not necessarily external links either).

              I've been ranking my own low text count pages for years, has nothing to do with an algo. update.
              That's why a lot of look up services that have as much content as the Google homepage rank well.

              For example, What WordPress Theme Is That? has virtually no text on the homepage and it ranks very well.
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            • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
              The problem with threads like these is that the lessons learned from the examples rarely translates into real world money sites

              The term gets less than 800 searches a month globally and is not a phrase that leads to direct monetization so the competition is low.
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              • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
                Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

                The problem with threads like these is that the lessons learned from the examples rarely translates into real world money sites

                The term gets less than 600 searches a month and is not a phrase that leads to direct monetization so the competition is low.

                "Search engine" gets 110,000 searches a month. Sites like Bing, DuckDuckGo, and DogPile are on page one with no real content.

                I'm not advocating people build websites with little or no content. Just pointing out that you can do just fine without the BS 1000-word article on your front page.
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                • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
                  Originally Posted by MikeFriedman View Post

                  "Search engine" gets 110,000 searches a month. Sites like Bing, DuckDuckGo, and DogPile are on page one with no real content.

                  I'm not advocating people build websites with little or no content. Just pointing out that you can do just fine without the BS 1000-word article on your front page.
                  I should and was about to add "for the average Imer" and I agree on the 1,000 word article but none of those examples mirror where the average Imer is at. Those companies have public relations departments and get mad tech blog coverage with authority links that Imers don't get.

                  Even the serp in question in this thread - its a novelty site - Its link bait for the cause and its intentional brevity and to the point statement is meant to highlight that so its dubious it would work beans for a commercial site.Its great linkbait though.

                  The only take away the average Imer is going to get from this is that they can put up even less content and slap it with the kinds of links that most imers get and get tanked or rank for non competitive terms with no real monetary value.

                  Its very similar to the "click here" example people use to use with Adobe. The big problem is it was completely non duplicable to rank for a term the way Adobe ranks for click here. Adobe ranked because they own and programmed the document platform used across the world.
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          Originally Posted by harry911 View Post

          Whenever such a site is shared on forums, a manual review is done and often the site is gone. Google guys watch these forums
          Wrong! How else do you think all public blog networks got caught?
          Google keeps an eye on SEO services and discussions that are made on SEO forums. It's pretty obvious; if you owned a system and there was a forum dedicated to gaming your system, won't you keep an eye on it? There is a whole WEBSPAM team at Google, and watching such threads is a small part of it.
          Do you know why blog networks stopped giving reports? Because Google employees were buying those links and banning those networks!
          Lol, I thought i was watching a 007 movie. You got carried away too much.
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    • Profile picture of the author MikeFriedman
      Originally Posted by hadtic View Post

      Panda refresh is due soon and i am sure you will see your site drop in the rankings after that to be honest but please let us know if it stays in the same position after the refresh
      Panda will not hurt the site. Panda has to do with bad content, not limited content. If Panda hurt sites with limited content, then google.com would be screwed.
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    No worries
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    terrific example, thanks for sharing
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    Matt cutts is not part of a team that manually checks web spam... He is strictly a spokesman.
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    • Profile picture of the author harry911
      Originally Posted by gotlinks View Post

      Matt cutts is not part of a team that manually checks web spam... He is strictly a spokesman.
      LOL, I'm not saying Matt Cutts himself checks these forums, but believe me there are people who watch SEO forums. He's actually the head of web spam at google (much more than just a spokesman ).
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Really I doubt the owner of that site (link in OP) is trying to monetize, they have some other agenda to flame homeopathy.

    The owner of that site is (Merseyside Skeptics Society) & owns the following sites:
    • http://www.1023.org.uk/
    • http://www.merseysideskeptics.org.uk/
    • http://www.howdoeshomeopathywork.com/

    From what I see, the goal is to get the public stirred up.

    I imagine they have more sites than the 3 listed above.
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  • Profile picture of the author bhmseoservices
    I actually find this rather amusing. It makes sense. If you've been building links since you've registered this domain in 1995 and it's a constant thing you're doing then I'm not surprised that your a PR4.
    Keep on trucking my good man.
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    Paul I just have to say - Your sig is blasphemy. How dare you tell people that in business you might have to spend some money
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  • Profile picture of the author kimseo
    What do you guys say about Movie Online ?
    It's an Exact Match Domain (EMD) but #1 for "movie online" (more than 6 million monthly search )
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    • Profile picture of the author yukon
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      Originally Posted by kimseo View Post

      What do you guys say about Movie Online ?
      It's an Exact Match Domain (EMD) but #1 for "movie online" (more than 6 million monthly search )

      I see 6,600 monthly searches (big difference).
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      • Profile picture of the author kimseo
        Originally Posted by yukon View Post

        I see 6,600 monthly searches (big difference).
        • Local (US)
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        I mentioned global and broad search volume. Anyways, I believe it's a highly competitive search term.Right?
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        • Profile picture of the author yukon
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          Originally Posted by kimseo View Post

          I mentioned global and broad search volume. Anyways, I believe it's a highly competitive search term.Right?

          Global is a false number unless they rank all 161 countries/SERPs, doubtful they're ranking in all countries.

          The keyword itself must not be too popular with advertisers, all I see is Netflix & Hulu in paid search (no advertisers in the sidebar).

          If the traffic is actually 6,600 targeted traffic & you have a way to monetize the traffic, sure it's a decent keyword.
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  • Profile picture of the author bestrevenueshare
    This EMD site crushed panda, penguin and humingbird updates.

    Lesson learned, Content is not king, quality back link and relevancy is the key. For that search term it's still at #1 on serp.

    Sorry for the necro.
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  • Profile picture of the author Taniwha
    Usually I frown upon people pumping year old threads, but in this case, I'm grateful.

    It's interesting to see that this has withstood the "ruthless Google updates", with just a handful of words.

    What are the experts take on this? EMDs still strong?
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  • Profile picture of the author nik0
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    LOL, one year later the site is still there with a whole bunch of crappy links like blog comments that the owner placed him self.

    A lot of it seems to come from relevant domains though, maybe that's the key?
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    This website is a joke... No matter if it has PR0 or PR8... It won't help his owner to sell anything! It's not even worth the time to build those backlinks. I saw it's live since 2010... I can't understand the reason to create it!
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      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      This website is a joke... No matter if it has PR0 or PR8... It won't help his owner to sell anything! It's not even worth the time to build those backlinks. I saw it's live since 2010... I can't understand the reason to create it!
      Thousands of new comers can learn from it and these types of things may help to understand new Google updates, that gonna come. Most probably it was to test op's concern and than he moved to bigger projects.

      - is not it make enough reasons?
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      Originally Posted by patco View Post

      This website is a joke... No matter if it has PR0 or PR8... It won't help his owner to sell anything! It's not even worth the time to build those backlinks. I saw it's live since 2010... I can't understand the reason to create it!
      I thought the content was everything I'd ever need to know about the subject. A true authority site...
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        Originally Posted by Kevin Maguire View Post

        I thought the content was everything I'd ever need to know about the subject. A true authority site...
        Completely agree. No need for 500 words of content. This page answers the question being asked. Hummingbird probably loves it.
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    To ensure that site doesn't get a penguin penalty, they should dilute their exact match anchor text to 1 part in 6.02214 Ã--10^23
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