Article on site or EZA first ?

I agree that should be able to post on your blog and then Ezine but always thought that Ezine and other directories did not like that. .. so am still confused.

Allen unable to PM you as I don't have enough posts as well but am interested-thanks

Hmmmm great tip. I'm trying this.

I post the article - about 5 points about the topic to EZA
The remaining 5 points are posted in my blog

So at the end of the article,i ask the visitor to visit my blog for other points.This way,the reader is made to click and get the other information.Let me know how you feel about my strategy.And this gets me around 20 percent click through.

That's a really good way of doing things. Thanks for the good information.

By the way, I looked at your Word Press Tutorials (clicked on your signature link). They look very good. I'm going to be using them. Good job!
Thanks for being so generous.

This is a linking concept that is brilliant. It's simple. It apparently works, and yet if we weren't having this discussion, we'd never have found out about it. Thanks!

P.S. And if it weren't for James mentioning this thread in another discussion, I never would have discovered all the reasons why articles should be listed on my own site first before giving them over to EZA.

Thanks. This forum is awesome.

I put it on my site first! I don't link back to the same article in my bio - but link to a complementary topic page of the site.

Occasionally it an article is very long - I'll put the long version on my site and a shorter version of the same article goes to article directories.

kay

I second this motion!

Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

Zack

I recommend to put it on your site first

Thats why I use Warrior Forum and not the other WF site.

Yes.

Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.

That's not true. EZA says that you can post the same article, you just have to have the same author. In fact, in the latest documentation I looked at they explicitly stated that a great way to use EZA was to repurpose your old content by taking articles from you blog that weren't in EZA and submitting them.

I've submitted several articles using that guidance and the only time I got dinged was when I put in an article that was from my site, but written and attributed to one of my writers, which wasn't the author name on my EZA account.

Craig

False. i have several articles exactly the same on both sites.

I have been doing this with no problem at all, I put all my articles on my blog first then EZA, My blog ranks well so both the articles fight for top positions on certain keywords, this is the "only" problem i have with submitting the same article to both my site and EZA

Jason

p.s James I have just signed up to your site AP.com and will give it a spin over the weekend,

Hi hamburglar;

From my limited experience:
Article 1 - 10; "Basic author level" I'm seeing 7 - 10 calendar days.
Article 11 - 25; "Basic Plus author level" I'm seeing 5-8 calendar days.
Article 25 +; I haven't gotten there yet, but from some quick scanning it appears 2-5 days. (Yell at me if I'm wrong, please!)

All the best,
chateauR

I agree - WHY do people say submit to EZA first? Most likely it's because that's what they've done all along. It's good to question what you do and make sure there's a valid reason to do it that way.

That info is simply wrong. I do put the exact same article on my site and at EZA with no problem - and have done it for a long time. Yes, EZA requires original content - but it IS original because I wrote it.

kay

am interested in your process Allen but do not have enough posts yet, can you PM me please.

Gavin

Just PMed you

Allen: thank you for this info.

That helps me to know that your info came from Ezine articles itself.

I do always put articles on my blog first and then on Ezine so I can link back to my website on the author resource box. Then I list them on other directories.

God damn I love this forum. I think I love you, too.

Posting to your own site first an original article -unique and not posted elsewhere makes you the originator of the article by your post date. Write a similar article a few days later -on Ezine linking to your site and original article. The search engines follow the link back to your site and your not "giving away" your best content to ezine.

Google loves ezine-and their articles have stickiness while ranking high for your topic /and/or keyword. Ezine seems to always get top positions in Google's 1st page. So if both lead back to your site, er your sales page - that's a good thing right? This is what I was told a few yrs ago, don't know if this method has changed but it works for me.

I agree with a lot of the stuff James says below, but I have had slightly different experience. I figure I'll add to what he said to give you some options. And note, I'm not arguing against James' recommendations here - I'm just showing that we've had different experiences, but we both arrived at our techniques through TRYING stuff.

But before I get into answering in detail, I want to say that it's not really a before/after question when it comes to posting content. If you have a blog that you are posting to regularly, chances are, you can rank your article higher than any directory. If you have that, all you really want from the directory is a backlink. And for that, it'll still count even if it's the same article.

If you're a pure "bum" marketer and have no website of your own, sure, just put it right in the directory. If you do (and it's easy) no reason you should let someone else be the only one to get to put ads on your content.

Like I said before, it really doesn't matter re: before or after, and in my opinion, it doesn't even have to be original. Use some logic and look at the facts.

1. You can post the same article to your own blog and a directory.
2. You can get your blog to outrank the directory.
3. It doesn't matter which is posted before the other - you can prove this to yourself pretty easily.

With that in mind, I don't know why people don't realize that you can just re-publish articles from the directories on your blogs that you DIDN'T write, and you'll get good results.

I do this too, though I use blogger and wordpress.org to post snippets to that link back to my main page.

- If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.[/QUOTE]

I haven't done clipmarks, but definitely agree with doing the above. Ping the article page on the directory too. Comment on the article in the directory too if you can, and link back there as well. (I guess that makes less sense if it's your own article, but if you're republishing someone else's it's the perfect opportunity for a backlink.

I also have a pet theory that if you have 2 copies of an article, and one only one way links to the other, Google might think the linkee is the original. Since all articles from directories require you to include the free link back to them, counter that with your comment link from the directory back to you. It may have no actual effect re: the perceived provenance of the article, but links are good, so.

Or if you're really lazy, don't change it at all. Changing it a little bit probably helps though. I don't always spin, and I certainly don't keep a close enough eye to know what percent change I hit when I do. My recommendation: get away with as little work as possible.

Yeah, good stuff here. Also, look for blogs/other sites that have posted the same or similar articles to yours and post comments there too. Since you're already doing little re-writes of the article, you should have fodder to make at least a few comments on related blogs too while you're at it.

I like doing this as well as directory posting, because it actually has a chance of getting you some organic hits, some niche equity AND you get the backlink love, too.

Agree. Crosslinking is good stuff. If you have some juice, don't forget to spread it to the places you link to yourself FROM. Link building pro bono for places that link to you is an often overlooked tactic. At a minimum, if I find a place that's linking to me, I'll ping em, and if they have a feed, I'll make a fresh comment, then submit that feed url around to aggregator sites too.

Yep and yep.

Yeah again. I don't use any distro services, but my custom solution does re-post this way, where variants and unique excerpts get pushed to various web 2.0 sites to coincide with the release of the main article on the flagship blog.

I need to do more of this. I make PDFs, but I usually just give them away as list builders or list equity.

Amen and AMEN! Figure out what you want to do, systematize it into basic steps, and then just do them over and over. Determine a quit/break point - decide how long you will continue without adjusting the plan - decide what means failure, what means adjustment, and what means you quit and try something else. Then stick to your guns.

For example, I want to increase my blog portfolio from 75 to 250 by the end of the year. I have a method that's already working, so I'm expanding it and scaling it way up. But to do it, I need to be in a full-on building phase, so I've set a baseline, and I will build and build and build until I hit that goal. Only then will I go back and analyze and tweak and adjust as necessary.

Anyway, it's a long ramble, but I was feeling like avoiding building another blog for the moment, so I hope it helps someone. Thanks for the awesome post James!

I think I love you.

Thanks man. I am going to try this out.

You know, I actually AM doing this, but I don't do it with two blogs on the same domain.

One of the pieces I frequently use is an RSS plugin that will publish snippets from an RSS URL you specify. It's meant to be used in your template as a "related news" kind of thing, but I use it in my posts themselves, and I pull a feed from my own blog. I put it in the footer as "other stories you might like".

I may expand that concept a little more based on your reccommendations.

Subdomains are cool too because they rank as unique domains. There's a WP plugin that lets you make subdomains auto-redirect to a specified page or category page. You just set up the subdomain in your domain admin, and configure it on the blog to tell it what you want it to point to.

I haven't tested that extensively yet, but I'm very excited about the possibilities there.

That's some really interesting points there, and though I say I don't "spin" I guess I actually am, because nothing I re-post is identical to what it was when I got it. I always add some kind of custom header or footer, or image. In a way, that's a form of spinning even though I don't change the content itself.

As for the kind of spinning you describe, I have the capability of doing that in my system. Using StrayRandomQuotes, you can actually set up articles that can remix themselves at the time of publication, and will be unique every time you publish. Normally, this wouldn't be good for SEO as search spiders don't really like that kind of totally dynamic content, but I don't use this to publish via my live WP site. I publish this content to a feed which I re-publish elsewhere. That way, at the time of publication, that article variation is "locked".

Anyway, kind of complicated, so I hope that makes sense.

But what I was going to say is that even though I CAN do it that way, it's a lot of work and I haven't really had to do it to get results. I'm reserving that technique for if I ever let the public use my system, or if I ever run out of content for a particular niche (unlikely).

If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!

...and RESEARCH and LISTEN.

Allen

Cool I was thinking they did. I guess I have been watching too much Stompernet lol Thanks!

Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

Just wondering...

Allen

How the heck do you know that? :confused:

I will have to respectfully disagree based on my own views.

Allen

I think this is incorrect. Duplicate content as it is relevant to google references duplicate content on your site because it makes google try to index the same site for the same article two different times. If duplicate content worked the way you are saying it does, places like drudge report or any other site that does things like rss feeds would be destroyed in a week as far as google and rankings go

That is absolute nonsense.

This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.

This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

James

Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

James

If you are going to continue to post it as fact then you certainly better have proof ...

If it is just your "opinion" then state it is just your opinion.

Fact is duplicate content is a myth, it does not exist, this has already been proven on this very forum time and time again. Yes there are benefits to spinning an article and changing it from your site to other sites but to proclaim duplicate content exist and then state things as fact that are not facts, simple is not right... This is wrong and it could very well destroy another newbies business because they listen to bad advice.

James

So what you are assuming to be fact is this...

I take an article post it on my site, then I post it on 100 article directories without changing anything.

Google as you say will see mine as original and list it and the rest as duplicate and not list them or give them much lower listings.

If this is what you are posting as fact you are still wrong and posting it is fact is not right.. Thi has been pointed out several times. What is fact is this..

I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

1. My Site
2. EZA
3. GoArticles
4. ArticleDashboard
5. ArticlesBase
6. ArticleSnatch
7. iSnare
8. IdeaMarketers
9. ArticleFactory
10. ArticleCube

All with my same exact article... So if you are saying "duplicate content" (which does not exist as such as you explained it) does not rank then what you are stating as fact is wrong..

I know many that have done the above including me.. I have done it and will continue to do it..

I would also like to point out that if this is what you are trying to state as fact then that would mean publishers would not be so eager to republish your articles on their blogs.. Which I know is wrong because my articles are re-published on 1,000's of blogs that I do not own.

James

Hi Terry,
Great to see someone is going to take action... Wish you all the best with your websites.

James

Let me guess you did not bother to read the thread... :rolleyes:

This is what EZA wants you to do because as long as they make people think this way they will continue to take advantage of your unique high quality content. As long as you continue to do this you will also allow your competition to outrank you and make more sales than you...

James

Great thread!

In addition to above discussion, do we need to bookmark each page of our site?

Maybe this is new to me because currently i'm only bookmarking the homepage (mostly) and expecting social sites and google bot will find all pages via sitemap that i have on my site.

Can somebody comment on this?

RichJerkNet, i love your post and hope u'll write simple ebook on that

Cheers..