Article on site or EZA first ?

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I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.
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  • Profile picture of the author JL Melvin
    This is what I do and it's worked really well for me:

    - I post a summary of the article on my website.

    Then...

    - I post the article to EZA with a link back to the page where I posted my article.

    This works really well when using keywords in the title of the article because then it adds link juice to your website page...for instance

    My Dog an Old Friend Indeed - with link to

    www. mydogbuddy. com/my-dog-an-old-friend-indeed.html

    It's been working for me and my articles have well over 188,000 views and over 35,000 click thrus.

    Jeff
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    • Profile picture of the author searchguru
      I agree that should be able to post on your blog and then Ezine but always thought that Ezine and other directories did not like that. .. so am still confused.

      Allen unable to PM you as I don't have enough posts as well but am interested-thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author morwanneg
      Originally Posted by JL Melvin View Post

      This is what I do and it's worked really well for me:

      - I post a summary of the article on my website.

      Then...

      - I post the article to EZA with a link back to the page where I posted my article.

      This works really well when using keywords in the title of the article because then it adds link juice to your website page...for instance

      My Dog an Old Friend Indeed - with link to

      www. mydogbuddy. com/my-dog-an-old-friend-indeed.html

      It's been working for me and my articles have well over 188,000 views and over 35,000 click thrus.

      Jeff
      Hmmmm great tip. I'm trying this.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by anthony23 View Post

        great idea

        never thought of that
        You did not read thye entire thread did you ????? Only posting the summary on your site is still defeating the purpose of using your own unique content to benefit you and your site. You are not using your "own" content to it's full potential.

        James
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    • Profile picture of the author itcoll
      I post the article - about 5 points about the topic to EZA
      The remaining 5 points are posted in my blog

      So at the end of the article,i ask the visitor to visit my blog for other points.This way,the reader is made to click and get the other information.Let me know how you feel about my strategy.And this gets me around 20 percent click through.
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    • Profile picture of the author wiley1
      That's a really good way of doing things. Thanks for the good information.

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    • Profile picture of the author Candace37
      This is a linking concept that is brilliant. It's simple. It apparently works, and yet if we weren't having this discussion, we'd never have found out about it. Thanks!

      P.S. And if it weren't for James mentioning this thread in another discussion, I never would have discovered all the reasons why articles should be listed on my own site first before giving them over to EZA.

      Thanks. This forum is awesome.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    PUT IT ON YOUR SITE FIRST!

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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I put it on my site first! I don't link back to the same article in my bio - but link to a complementary topic page of the site.

      Occasionally it an article is very long - I'll put the long version on my site and a shorter version of the same article goes to article directories.

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    • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      PUT IT ON YOUR SITE FIRST!

      Allen Graves
      I second this motion!
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      • Profile picture of the author PageOneWD
        I just spent the last 4 hours reading this thread and it was just want I was looking for. As far as article do's & don'ts I am good now! Many of the myths you have dispelled were beliefs of mine for many years. Looking back I am not sure where those beliefs came from... Anyway, I have two questions...

        1. You write an article, post it to your website, THEN submit it to the directories...
        a. Do you want the article to link back to the matching article on your website or some other page, possibly both?


        2. I have seen submitting to RSS feeds mentioned allot on the later pages of this thread. I went out and did some reading on this and there is allot of conflicting information on the proper was to do this. Is there a thread or resource on the WF that DOES have the correct information on RSS feeds? I just don't want to climb the wrong preverbal tree if you know what I mean.

        Thanks,
        David
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        • Profile picture of the author LynnM
          Originally Posted by PageOneWD View Post


          You write an article, post it to your website, THEN submit it to the directories...

          a. Do you want the article to link back to the matching article on your website or some other page, possibly both?
          It's best to link back to a different page that contains another article, or something like an opt-in page.

          Lynn
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  • Profile picture of the author gjedda63
    Many thx guys and girl(s).. Iam so amazed of this forum,tons of people willing to share their knowledge in minutes. This is for sure a goldmine, hope I can be able to share some tips in the future.
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    • Profile picture of the author Zack Lim
      Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

      Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

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      • Profile picture of the author gianne2705
        Any of the two will do but it is much good as everyone said here,put it on your site first.
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      • Profile picture of the author frans240
        Originally Posted by Zack Lim View Post

        Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it Zack
        Can u please eleborate on said statement?? I would like to know what you mean by repurpose the content into another format and distribute it..

        thanks ..really great forum by the way
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      • Profile picture of the author KristieDean
        Originally Posted by Zack Lim View Post

        Yeap, this forum is indeed excellent where we can learn many valuable internet marketing information.

        Don't forget to repurpose your content into other format and distribute it

        Zack
        Do you have any recommendations of the best ways to distribute it? Thanks!
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    • Profile picture of the author zoro
      I recommend to put it on your site first
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    • Profile picture of the author jewin
      Thats why I use Warrior Forum and not the other WF site.

      Originally Posted by gjedda63 View Post

      Many thx guys and girl(s).. Iam so amazed of this forum,tons of people willing to share their knowledge in minutes. This is for sure a goldmine, hope I can be able to share some tips in the future.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
    if you make the article sufficiently unique between the 2 postings, it doesn't matter.
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    • Profile picture of the author Adrian Cooper
      Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

      if you make the article sufficiently unique between the 2 postings, it doesn't matter.
      Yes.

      Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

      I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

      Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

      Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

      Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

      If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Hey Adrian...

        How are you?

        Just looking at your post there, I'm intrigued by your answers to the thread..

        Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.
        What makes you say this?...

        All of my testing tells me otherwise, I find it extremely productive to re-use content in different sites and portals across the web.

        Each platform/portal has it's own pro's and con's, so I find it fits with my business model (which, coincidentally, is working fantastically well for me), to re-publish content in various places....this allows me to utilise the search engine strength of each one.

        In fact, if you publish plenty of good content on EzineArticles alone, you will often find that your content is re-published "as is" by other webmasters and internet marketers... all of which increases traffic through YOUR resource box.

        The fact that thousands of Webmasters across the world, have a requirement for content that has already been published, seems to indicate that your whole logic on this subject is a little flawed, no?

        I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.
        Sure, you will get ranked and produced traffic from an article posted on EZA, providing it is well structured and valuable content... but it's a little unfair of you to tell people to post their content to EZA first, when this is a business damaging practice.

        Your content is extremely valuable VRE, and should NEVER be given to any site other than your own before it is indexed.

        Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

        Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.
        You seem to have a misconception about duplicate content, it's not uncommon to have such a view on this. Marketing folk have been fed this bull for years and it has almost become a standard accepted rule.. when really, it's a myth.

        You'd be doing yourself a huge favour in doing some research and testing. Get some numbers to verify your thoughts on this. I think you'll be pleasantly surprised at your findings.

        The Duplicate content "penalty" in the context you describe above is an absolute joke and by perpetuating such a myth, you could be hurting the business of someone who is in no position to to be hurt.

        If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.
        You appear to be stating the above as fact, when really, it isn't. Using the same articles on my site and EZA will NOT (in my experience) exclude the article on my site from Google...

        And, I think there are many people here (myself included) who can compete with EZA, and we do it regularly.

        Thanks for taking the time to read this, I don't mean it to come across as rude.. so I hope it doesn't.

        I just like to make sure people don't read things and take them as facts if they aren't.

        Peace

        Jay

        p.s. The above is only my opinion, an educated one, formed from the results I have gained after many diverse and varied tests when publishing content across the intranets

        You can find my article submission steps and reasoning in this post on page 1 of this thread here
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper View Post

        Yes.

        Placing the same article in multiple places is totally counter-productive.

        I would post an article to EZA first because it will get ranked and produce traffic.

        Post a similar article on your site and/or other article directories, but modify it.

        Google looks for strings of words that are the same for duplicate content. Make sure that you have no string of 5 words the same in any article.

        Google's algorithm knows that the chances of two authors using the same string of 5 consecutive is almost zero.

        If you use the same article on your site as on EZA, then you are virtually excluding the article on your site from Google, because you can never compete with EZA.
        Adrian,
        I will tell you the same thing.. stop giving bad advice when you do not know what you talk about... These things you state as fact are not facts at all. They my be your "opinion" and you have every right to your opinion but you need to state it as your "opinion".

        It is obvious that you also did not read this entire thread because if you did you would not post such bogus bull crap.

        James
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  • Profile picture of the author chrisnkay
    I would have never guessed that putting on your site first would be the answer to this!

    Thanks to everyone that answered with support!
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  • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
    As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

    You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author HammerFist
      Originally Posted by Easy Cash View Post

      As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

      You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?
      That's not true. EZA says that you can post the same article, you just have to have the same author. In fact, in the latest documentation I looked at they explicitly stated that a great way to use EZA was to repurpose your old content by taking articles from you blog that weren't in EZA and submitting them.

      I've submitted several articles using that guidance and the only time I got dinged was when I put in an article that was from my site, but written and attributed to one of my writers, which wasn't the author name on my EZA account.

      Craig
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    • Profile picture of the author mwoeppel1
      Originally Posted by Easy Cash View Post

      As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.
      False. i have several articles exactly the same on both sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by mwoeppel1 View Post

        False. i have several articles exactly the same on both sites.
        I think this has already been answered but thank you for taking the time to do it again ...

        Many get this false statement because the admin on eza's own forum tells you this. The forum admin has posted and said you must provide your article to eza first. This is another reason why I refuse to submit to eza anymore because I question those business tactics...

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author mwoeppel1
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          I think this has already been answered but thank you for taking the time to do it again ...

          Many get this false statement because the admin on eza's own forum tells you this. The forum admin has posted and said you must provide your article to eza first. This is another reason why I refuse to submit to eza anymore because I question those business tactics...

          James
          Thanks James, I didn't realize this thread had over 7 pages until AFTER I posted.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Fulton
      Originally Posted by Easy Cash View Post

      As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.

      You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?
      I have been doing this with no problem at all, I put all my articles on my blog first then EZA, My blog ranks well so both the articles fight for top positions on certain keywords, this is the "only" problem i have with submitting the same article to both my site and EZA

      Jason

      p.s James I have just signed up to your site AP.com and will give it a spin over the weekend,
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  • Profile picture of the author Revolves
    I believe the only pre-requisite for submitting article to EZA (apart from quality) is that you should own the full copyrights to it. I've seen many people say they put articles on their site first. So "Easy Cash", I don't think you should have a problem with that.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by alexlucky2007 View Post

        How can you be sure that your site will get indexed first before EZA?
        If you read the entire thread you would not have asked that.. Take the time read the thread and you may learn a few things..

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by ProductCreator View Post

          That's the problem with such a long thread. I'm considering posting a summary as I went through the entire thing last night before posting some new questions that occured to me.

          Maybe it will deter the dumb questions, maybe not
          I will answer every one of your questions below ...

          - For mass syndication: to spin or not? I noticed someone (sorry it is hard to track names in a thread this size!) mentioned different niches have different factors and ultimately to test. I will, but are the results, on the whole, fairly comparable? Or can one niche show 10x the results from one method compared to the other?

          It is your choice to spin or not it has nothing to do with niche. If you spin an article the proper way using the proper tool it will not even look like a spun article. There are benefits to spinning your articles though and some of those are: ability to pickup more publishers, incase at some time dupe content dos become real and you submitted spun articles, you have nothing to worry about. There are many many more reasons.

          - Keywords: how many keywords to target in anchor url. Do you have a primary keyword? Do you have lesser secondary and longer tail keywords?

          Again this is your choice, there is no set answer. This depends upon competition as well as many other factors. I do not always target the same keyword using the same anchor text. Maybe do 10 here for mykeyword1 and then 20 there for mykeyword2 and then switch back to keyword1 and etc..

          - This being the case, what is your split between backlinking for primary versus secondary.

          See above, there is no set answer as this depends upon competition. If you have 2 products and product 1 has huge competition where product 2 has low competition. Then it is obvious you want the majority to go to product1.

          - What are your search, broad and phrase match targets for these keywords?

          This is a personal preference and again there is no right answer as people will have different ways of doing things.

          - Do you have full RSS feeds on your blogs/sites or just partial ones?

          Your blog and/or site should have a Rss Feed, yes... But so does your articles on article directories, so does your bookmarking profiles.. Many Rss Feeds are set to show a limit of 20, 30, and etc .. This depends upon the site and how someone set it.

          - On syndicated articles, do you link back to the original article (seems pointless to me for the reader, but deep linking is good for link juice), a different article on the site (with relevant ranking keyword) or the main home page (with primary keyword)?

          On syndicated articles you should be linking to your money site but you could very well also link to your other related articles. This is something your should test as not all niches are going to give the same results. Personally myself I have linked to my main site and another article within the same article that has been syndicated.

          - Is there any danger at all in simply taking my existing sites I've had for a couple of years and just posting everything on them to EZA or to any other directory (e.g. mass syndication)?

          If it is of good quality and not junk PLR, there is no problem with this. You need to read all sites TOS and make sure you follow the TOS.

          - Playing devil's advocate here, long ago I just took a ton of PLR that already existed out there and shoved it on one domain. Actually I did this for a few niches. Some got good traffic and some got zero. Why do you think this is and was the big "G" punishing me for the latter sites?

          To many factors can play into this for anyone to be able to answer it properly. As for the Big G punishing someone, that does not happen unless you are doing something against the TOS.

          - By the same reckoning, one could just stuff a Blogger blog with other people's directory articles and stick Adsense on it and it would get traffic? (still playing Devil's advocate!)

          Some people do this and make a good amount of income. This is what syndication is all about. Site get free content (while keeping your resource in tact) and they add ads on the site to generate income.

          - How much short term traffic can one expect from mass syndication to directories? And how does this compare to EZA only?

          Syndication has nothing to do with short terms traffic... The entire idea is to get your site out there and get it noticed. This is part of branding your site / product. How much traffic depends upon many different factors and again nobody can answer this question. As for EZA - No Comment...

          - The suggested strategy of installing a blog on the same domain with summaries. I do not like administering multiple blogs/dbs etc. I have now placed a limit on this. Is this an essential step to that plan? Is there an alternative?

          This was one of my suggestions and it works perfectly, I know at least 20 people that have followed this and they are finally seeing some money coming in. You do not have to do this but it helps a great deal..

          James

          P.S. There are several proven plans that are step by step on this thread. Use those as a starting guide and take them and tweak them to your own way of doing things. You do not have to follow them exactly. Test .. Test... and do some more Testing.. See what works best for "YOU"..
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    How long does it take for the article to be put in ezine articles?
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    • Profile picture of the author chateauRedunet
      Originally Posted by hamburglar View Post

      How long does it take for the article to be put in ezine articles?
      Hi hamburglar;

      From my limited experience:
      Article 1 - 10; "Basic author level" I'm seeing 7 - 10 calendar days.
      Article 11 - 25; "Basic Plus author level" I'm seeing 5-8 calendar days.
      Article 25 +; I haven't gotten there yet, but from some quick scanning it appears 2-5 days. (Yell at me if I'm wrong, please!)

      All the best,
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  • Profile picture of the author Kesh247
    Originally Posted by gjedda63 View Post

    I have read a bunch of threads about article marketing and have a question. Is it best to put an new article into your website first and next to EZA or whatever you prefer ?
    There is different opinion about this. What do you recommend and why ?
    Thx. superb forum by the way..Didnt know about it until recently.
    Submit it to EZA first, then when it gets approved, you can put it on your site and submit it to other article directories.

    You can also link each article back to your article on ezine article.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    OK guys - or those whoare saying to submit to EZA first, here's one question for you...

    WHY?

    Nobody has supplied a valid reason for submitting to EZA first. You just say to do it.

    Of course, I didn't supply my reason for submitting to my site first either. LOL

    But I have my reasons, ... the entire process is too long to type up here (plus, I don't want to waste my time because one of the mods is deleting all of my long posts without recourse anyway) - what are yours?

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      • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
        Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

        Unfortunately, there seems to be an increasing proportion of misinformation in the forum at the moment from people whose opinions are rather strongly held but are not always based on accurate information (to put it politely).
        Don't want to hijack the thread but OMG you are SO right. In the last 48 hours so many of the newer members are giving out advice that is just nonsense.

        As for this OP issue, I can add my thumbs up with the few that are making any kind of sense in this thread. Always put your article on your site first. In fact, if you want a proper method for submitting articles, just read over JayXtreme's post.

        And also please please PLEASE people, stop giving out advice that you must change/rework your articles before submitting them to Ezine. That is shite advice and leads people to repurpose work they may not wish to - taking time from their lives and efforts for a meaningless task. Article directories are like radio stations for your "songs". You wouldn't change a recording of your latest hit for every station that decides to play it yes?

        Duplicate content is one of the most boring, redundant, and stubborn non-issues still causing paranoia in the IM world. It's like some kind of trippy Urban myth. The case has been closed eons ago by Google and by example. Telling someone to repurpose their work before submitting to sites is the same as telling someone to make sure they rub a cow's belly for luck. Rubbish.

        Rant over
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        • Profile picture of the author Kitty Kiki
          Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

          Don't want to hijack the thread but OMG you are SO right. In the last 48 hours so many of the newer members are giving out advice that is just nonsense.

          As for this OP issue, I can add my thumbs up with the few that are making any kind of sense in this thread. Always put your article on your site first. In fact, if you want a proper method for submitting articles, just read over JayXtreme's post.

          And also please please PLEASE people, stop giving out advice that you must change/rework your articles before submitting them to Ezine. That is ****e advice and leads people to repurpose work they may not wish to - taking time from their lives and efforts for a meaningless task. Article directories are like radio stations for your "songs". You wouldn't change a recording of your latest hit for every station that decides to play it yes?

          Duplicate content is one of the most boring, redundant, and stubborn non-issues still causing paranoia in the IM world. It's like some kind of trippy Urban myth. The case has been closed eons ago by Google and by example. Telling someone to repurpose their work before submitting to sites is the same as telling someone to make sure they rub a cow's belly for luck. Rubbish.

          Rant over
          Think article directories like they are radio stations..Good analogy
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I agree - WHY do people say submit to EZA first? Most likely it's because that's what they've done all along. It's good to question what you do and make sure there's a valid reason to do it that way.

      As you may know - you cannot put exactly the same article on your site and then put it on EZA.
      You will have to re-write it significantly, which then it becomes a different article doesn't it?
      That info is simply wrong. I do put the exact same article on my site and at EZA with no problem - and have done it for a long time. Yes, EZA requires original content - but it IS original because I wrote it.

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      • Profile picture of the author barbdear
        I presume the folks who are posting the article first to their site are including their name as the author ... EZA doesn't care if the article has already been published -- as long as it is credited to the original author.
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        • Originally Posted by barbdear View Post

          I presume the folks who are posting the article first to their site are including their name as the author ... EZA doesn't care if the article has already been published -- as long as it is credited to the original author.

          Bingo. This is exactly why.

          I have experienced the situation where I posted my article to ezine and couple other article directories and ezine rejected it because the signature on the other sites had a different author ( my alias ).
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    • Profile picture of the author gavin6
      am interested in your process Allen but do not have enough posts yet, can you PM me please.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just because they are cool, but because they are RIGHT! lol

    I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

    Summer Speaker Series 2009

    Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.

    I haven't had anyone take me up on my reasons...no PMs yet. :-(

    Oh well - gotta go have a great Father's day now!!!!!!!!!

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    • Profile picture of the author ArticleFreak
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just because they are cool, but because they are RIGHT! lol

      I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

      Summer Speaker Series 2009

      Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.

      I haven't had anyone take me up on my reasons...no PMs yet. :-(

      Oh well - gotta go have a great Father's day now!!!!!!!!!

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      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      I agree with Kay and Alexa - not just
      I suggest going here and listening to this interview:

      Summer Speaker Series 2009

      Chris says right there in the interview that your articles only have to be original to you - doesn't matter if they are already published elsewhere - although he PERSONALLY prefers that you submit to EZA first.


      Allen
      Allen: thank you for this info.

      That helps me to know that your info came from Ezine articles itself.

      I do always put articles on my blog first and then on Ezine so I can link back to my website on the author resource box. Then I list them on other directories.
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    Site first..

    I'm almost bored of stressing this point, it was one of the big eye openers recently for customers of my own products... I helped a few people get around this issue and they now happily (and successfully) publish content to their own site first and then EZA...

    Why o WHY would you give your content to a glorified made for adsense site before your own property?????.. (sorry Chris, I love EZA.. but I'm just bein' honest)

    Here's what I do with each and every article I create:

    Step 1: Publish it on my own website/property first <- this is essential, the content is YOURS.. do NOT give it to a directory first. Putting your content first on a glorified made for adsense site like a directory is marketing suicide, put it on your website first.

    Step 2: Tweak it a little and publish it to Ezine Articles. I honestly don't tweak it that much but I like to anyway just so that it has some added flavour for distribution. Your goal with ezine is to get other directories to re-publish it too.

    Step 3: Tweak and expand, using each of the main points for a squidoo module on a lens and build a squidoo lens around it. (hence my hundreds of lenses that turn profit for me). Squidoo lenses can be quick and highly profitable, once you get into the swing of creating them.

    Step 4: Mass publish it wherever you like, use iSnare if you wish.. it's a good service... get that content spread around!!!!

    This has served me now for years, and I can't even write articles that well.

    Anything you hear about "duplicate content" rules is complete crap in most cases. The ONLY time duplicate content is an issue is when you have duplicates on the same domain.. like two pages that are mirroring each other on one domain.

    You can find up to date clarification of this fact on the official google blog...

    Peace

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    p.s. I'm not sayin' the above is the ONLY way to do it.. but I've been kicking around with this content for profits thing for a while now.. and I'm doin OK
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    • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      Site first..

      I'm almost bored of stressing this point, it was one of the big eye openers recently for customers of my own products... I helped a few people get around this issue and they now happily (and successfully) publish content to their own site first and then EZA...

      Why o WHY would you give your content to a glorified made for adsense site before your own property?????.. (sorry Chris, I love EZA.. but I'm just bein' honest)

      Here's what I do with each and every article I create:

      Step 1: Publish it on my own website/property first <- this is essential, the content is YOURS.. do NOT give it to a directory first. Putting your content first on a glorified made for adsense site like a directory is marketing suicide, put it on your website first.

      Step 2: Tweak it a little and publish it to Ezine Articles. I honestly don't tweak it that much but I like to anyway just so that it has some added flavour for distribution. Your goal with ezine is to get other directories to re-publish it too.

      Step 3: Tweak and expand, using each of the main points for a squidoo module on a lens and build a squidoo lens around it. (hence my hundreds of lenses that turn profit for me). Squidoo lenses can be quick and highly profitable, once you get into the swing of creating them.

      Step 4: Mass publish it wherever you like, use iSnare if you wish.. it's a good service... get that content spread around!!!!

      This has served me now for years, and I can't even write articles that well.

      Anything you hear about "duplicate content" rules is complete crap in most cases. The ONLY time duplicate content is an issue is when you have duplicates on the same domain.. like two pages that are mirroring each other on one domain.

      You can find up to date clarification of this fact on the official google blog...

      Peace

      Jay

      p.s. I'm not sayin' the above is the ONLY way to do it.. but I've been kicking around with this content for profits thing for a while now.. and I'm doin OK
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      • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
        Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo View Post

        God damn I love this forum. I think I love you, too.
        Thank you.. it's always nice to be loved

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    • Profile picture of the author Teriss
      Posting to your own site first an original article -unique and not posted elsewhere makes you the originator of the article by your post date. Write a similar article a few days later -on Ezine linking to your site and original article. The search engines follow the link back to your site and your not "giving away" your best content to ezine.

      Google loves ezine-and their articles have stickiness while ranking high for your topic /and/or keyword. Ezine seems to always get top positions in Google's 1st page. So if both lead back to your site, er your sales page - that's a good thing right? This is what I was told a few yrs ago, don't know if this method has changed but it works for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author gjedda63
    Great answers, Ps Allen,Idont have enough posts to Pm you...
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

    1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

    2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

    3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

    - If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

    4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

    5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

    6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

    - Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

    7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

    8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

    9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

    - Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

    10. As they say rinse and repeat....

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.
      I agree with a lot of the stuff James says below, but I have had slightly different experience. I figure I'll add to what he said to give you some options. And note, I'm not arguing against James' recommendations here - I'm just showing that we've had different experiences, but we both arrived at our techniques through TRYING stuff.

      But before I get into answering in detail, I want to say that it's not really a before/after question when it comes to posting content. If you have a blog that you are posting to regularly, chances are, you can rank your article higher than any directory. If you have that, all you really want from the directory is a backlink. And for that, it'll still count even if it's the same article.

      If you're a pure "bum" marketer and have no website of your own, sure, just put it right in the directory. If you do (and it's easy) no reason you should let someone else be the only one to get to put ads on your content.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.
      Like I said before, it really doesn't matter re: before or after, and in my opinion, it doesn't even have to be original. Use some logic and look at the facts.

      1. You can post the same article to your own blog and a directory.
      2. You can get your blog to outrank the directory.
      3. It doesn't matter which is posted before the other - you can prove this to yourself pretty easily.

      With that in mind, I don't know why people don't realize that you can just re-publish articles from the directories on your blogs that you DIDN'T write, and you'll get good results.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.
      I do this too, though I use blogger and wordpress.org to post snippets to that link back to my main page.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.
      - If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.[/QUOTE]

      I haven't done clipmarks, but definitely agree with doing the above. Ping the article page on the directory too. Comment on the article in the directory too if you can, and link back there as well. (I guess that makes less sense if it's your own article, but if you're republishing someone else's it's the perfect opportunity for a backlink.

      I also have a pet theory that if you have 2 copies of an article, and one only one way links to the other, Google might think the linkee is the original. Since all articles from directories require you to include the free link back to them, counter that with your comment link from the directory back to you. It may have no actual effect re: the perceived provenance of the article, but links are good, so.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.
      Or if you're really lazy, don't change it at all. Changing it a little bit probably helps though. I don't always spin, and I certainly don't keep a close enough eye to know what percent change I hit when I do. My recommendation: get away with as little work as possible.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.
      Yeah, good stuff here. Also, look for blogs/other sites that have posted the same or similar articles to yours and post comments there too. Since you're already doing little re-writes of the article, you should have fodder to make at least a few comments on related blogs too while you're at it.

      I like doing this as well as directory posting, because it actually has a chance of getting you some organic hits, some niche equity AND you get the backlink love, too.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

      - Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.
      Agree. Crosslinking is good stuff. If you have some juice, don't forget to spread it to the places you link to yourself FROM. Link building pro bono for places that link to you is an often overlooked tactic. At a minimum, if I find a place that's linking to me, I'll ping em, and if they have a feed, I'll make a fresh comment, then submit that feed url around to aggregator sites too.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.
      Yep and yep.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..
      Yeah again. I don't use any distro services, but my custom solution does re-post this way, where variants and unique excerpts get pushed to various web 2.0 sites to coincide with the release of the main article on the flagship blog.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      9. Create a beautiful looking PDF of one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

      Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html
      I need to do more of this. I make PDFs, but I usually just give them away as list builders or list equity.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      10. As they say rinse and repeat....

      James
      Amen and AMEN! Figure out what you want to do, systematize it into basic steps, and then just do them over and over. Determine a quit/break point - decide how long you will continue without adjusting the plan - decide what means failure, what means adjustment, and what means you quit and try something else. Then stick to your guns.

      For example, I want to increase my blog portfolio from 75 to 250 by the end of the year. I have a method that's already working, so I'm expanding it and scaling it way up. But to do it, I need to be in a full-on building phase, so I've set a baseline, and I will build and build and build until I hit that goal. Only then will I go back and analyze and tweak and adjust as necessary.

      Anyway, it's a long ramble, but I was feeling like avoiding building another blog for the moment, so I hope it helps someone. Thanks for the awesome post James!
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    • Profile picture of the author Lisa Gergets
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

      1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

      2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

      3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

      - If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

      4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

      5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

      6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

      - Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

      7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

      8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

      9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

      - Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

      10. As they say rinse and repeat....

      James

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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo View Post

        I think I love you.
        Well it's always nice to be loved...

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          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          Well it's always nice to be loved...

          James
          I love him more

          And Keith TOTALLY ROCKS TOO!

          Thank you guys!!

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          • Profile picture of the author badfun
            I know it has already been said in all the responses, but not neccesarily clearly enough. So here it is again:

            First, you want to build content on your site before you start to promote it. It will take your site a lot longer to get indexed than Ezinearticles will.

            Second, the article you send to Ezinearticles MUST BE DIFFERENT than the article on your site, even if just reorganized a bit and worded differently in places. Otherwise, it will be considered duplicate content and Ezinearticles will be considered the original, so your site will not get the ranking credit.

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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by badfun View Post

              I know it has already been said in all the responses, but not neccesarily clearly enough. So here it is again:

              First, you want to build content on your site before you start to promote it. It will take your site a lot longer to get indexed than Ezinearticles will.

              Second, the article you send to Ezinearticles MUST BE DIFFERENT than the article on your site, even if just reorganized a bit and worded differently in places. Otherwise, it will be considered duplicate content and Ezinearticles will be considered the original, so your site will not get the ranking credit.

              brent
              Brent,
              I am sorry but this is false information and this is the exact same thing many of us have been saying over and over..

              Duplicate Content "DOES NOT EXIST" it is a myth - Why do people not understand this. The fatser you remove the words "duplicate content" out of your thinking the faster you will make money.

              You should post to your site first because it is your content and you can have your site in the search engines a great deal faster than EZA. You can have any site in google within 15 minutes, this also has already been proven over and over. It does not take weeks or months like many self proclaimed experts try to say, many say this because they want to sell you their crappy search engine ranking submitter that does the dishes too...

              You can submit the same article to EZA if you wish, you do not need to changeit at all... You can if you want but this is not required. Just understand that their are benefits to having spun articles..

              I hope that was said clear enough

              James
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            • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
              Originally Posted by badfun View Post

              I know it has already been said in all the responses, but not neccesarily clearly enough. So here it is again:

              First, you want to build content on your site before you start to promote it. It will take your site a lot longer to get indexed than Ezinearticles will.

              Second, the article you send to Ezinearticles MUST BE DIFFERENT than the article on your site, even if just reorganized a bit and worded differently in places. Otherwise, it will be considered duplicate content and Ezinearticles will be considered the original, so your site will not get the ranking credit.

              brent
              I've highlighted the part in your reply that is just utterly BAD advice. I have close to 1000 articles on EZA now, and guess what? They are the exact same articles on Articlesbase, Goarticles, my site, other people's site, e.t.c...

              Read through this thread and the virtually countless numbers of others, wherein it has been shown BY example, WITH PROOF, and by the testimonials of almost 15 senior marketers AND DIRECTORY OWNERS that what you are saying is nonsense.

              As opposed to coming into this forum with advice that can harm, how about you guys just go ahead and try it for yourself. You will quickly see that all that time wasted re-purposing articles could have been better spent finding a new niche, developing a new list, or getting backlinks.

              I swear James, this debate is bordering on paranormal. It seems as if the voice of God could swoop in here and lay down the facts and still people will come back time and again with this nonsense.
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                • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
                  Originally Posted by alexa_s View Post

                  People just will not do this!



                  LOL, I'm afraid this totally right. I suspect that many people "already know they're right" (i.e. in the face of all the contrary evidence) and don't read most of these threads in which all the evidence is neatly set out for them; so it's just a never-ending conversation. And when this thread's too old for it, it will just be another new thread instead. People will believe what they want to believe, ultimately. :rolleyes:
                  Too true Alexa. I guess that's why there are successful marketers, and those who will be back at WF in 6 months time complaining that they haven't made a dime - and then have the nerve to blame the advice they never took in the first place. :confused:

                  This is easy!

                  Put the article on your site and just reword it before you submit to ezine!
                  I rest my case. :rolleyes:
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post


                I swear James, this debate is bordering on paranormal. It seems as if the voice of God could swoop in here and lay down the facts and still people will come back time and again with this nonsense.
                You got that right Peter .... It is really amazing how everything is set out for people in a step by step system but yet they fail because they just do not want to read. They are more focused on "thinking" they are "right" and posting their "bad advice" vs reading the actual hard core truth from people that do give great advice.

                I think society has become way too lazy with all this new technology like text messages, automation on this and that, and etc... When you can not even take 10 minutes to read a thread but you rather spend 30 minutes giving out bad advice, you know something is wrong - Terribly Wrong!

                James
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          • Profile picture of the author kenjitay
            For me, it is always to post on your site first. While some of the reasons has been added by Allen, James and Keith, without going into technical detail, I guess it only makes sense that ezine is getting high PR because of fresh content submitter by us everyday...

            In other words, we are the ones helping ezine get their ranking... though I do love ezine Alot, still it does not make sense to use your content and idea to help build "other people's business". Instead, you should use your articles build your own business, then use it to spread your product/service around...

            Another thing is.. Even if your articles gets indexed and listed by Google, You still have to take into account about your resource box click through rate... even if you receive 40% click through... a very high rate indeed.. you are still getting 4 out of 10 traffic vs your own article, your own website/blog which gets 10 out of 10..

            As for duplicate content.. It IS a myth... lets put it in a rather vague way.. how do Google know who is the original producer ? Google is a bot who only does indexing, a bot. What is Google's concern is only showing up 10 similar content on first page... and the only fair way is, as much as it can, it will try to show one... they will not just go around penalising people... ask - if someone stole my content.. am i getting faulted too ? That would be a long long debate then wouldn't it...

            anyway.. who started this whole dup content thing ? It has been around long enough and should just die down man...

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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by kenjitay View Post

              For me, it is always to post on your site first. While some of the reasons has been added by Allen, James and Keith, without going into technical detail, I guess it only makes sense that ezine is getting high PR because of fresh content submitter by us everyday...

              In other words, we are the ones helping ezine get their ranking... though I do love ezine Alot, still it does not make sense to use your content and idea to help build "other people's business". Instead, you should use your articles build your own business, then use it to spread your product/service around...
              Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!! The fact is everyone that post all that fresh new content and build "ALL" their backlinks to EZA are the ones that make it an authority site and also are the ones losing out big time on sales.

              The fact is they have your article plastered with google ads and this is not a bash on EZA. In defense of EZA I will say that some other articles directories are even worse with all their Banner Ads, OTO's during Registration, IM Ads for crappy ebooks, google ads in many places and etc..

              Personally for myself I actually got 3 times the traffic from articledashboard vs EZA using the same exact articles but then again I get 10 times the traffic vs EZA using MyArticleNetwork (which is not free but proves the point that free is not always a good thing).

              There are so many things article directories could do to generate income without plastering your articles with google ads, sorry but that is the hard core truth. Now some say "Well, I expect them to google ads as they must support the site"... Well for those that think that way I feel sorry for you because you have no idea on the sales you lose...

              Originally Posted by kenjitay View Post

              As for duplicate content.. It IS a myth... lets put it in a rather vague way.. how do Google know who is the original producer ? Google is a bot who only does indexing, a bot. What is Google's concern is only showing up 10 similar content on first page... and the only fair way is, as much as it can, it will try to show one... they will not just go around penalising people... ask - if someone stole my content.. am i getting faulted too ? That would be a long long debate then wouldn't it...

              anyway.. who started this whole dup content thing ? It has been around long enough and should just die down man...

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              Again 100% correct - GoogleBot is just that, a Bot! It reads text and nothing more. It does not know or even care what came first, it does not know or even care what host you are on (unless google itself has you blacklisted).. Nobodt and I do mean nobody will ever fully understand google but somethings you just got to use the mind god gave you and think.

              Now with all that said, understand my post.. I am not in anyway saying you should not post to article directories but use your head. Posting to sites such as EZA and building all your backlinks to those articles only is one of the biggest mistake you can ever make in your business...

              You should post to article directories but only after you post to your site and build those links to your site (without article directories) once done then you can post to hundreds of article directories. Stop wasting your time wondering what the freaking PR is of this site and that site, just post to it because PR means very little and also understand the Big G is not the only search engine and NO they do not own 85% of search traffic as some self proclaimed experts say.

              James
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              • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
                Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!!
                I thought I'd repeat this and bold it... you know it's gonna need sayin' again.. real soon anyways, it's not long before some wise, EZA lovin' soul comes in to ask about it without reading the thread
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                • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                  Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

                  I thought I'd repeat this and bold it... you know it's gonna need sayin' again.. real soon anyways, it's not long before some wise, EZA lovin' soul comes in to ask about it without reading the thread
                  LOL ... Well Jay, truth is the truth ....

                  Exactly.... It is sooooo easy to outrank EZA, I do not understand why people do not get that. Big Deal they are a "Authority Site" .. Who cares, do they make me my living online ??? NO!!!

                  I have no problem outranking a EZA article and my authors that post on my article directory also outrank EZA. Huge difference is though unlike many article directories I actually advertise my authors articles, I mean I advertise their actual article url...

                  But fact is and this has been posted with proof several time.. An author can post a article and I can have it listed in google with top listing in 10 minutes even if the same exact article has already been posted live on EZA...

                  Will EZA advertise your article for you as an author ????? Simple, NO!!!

                  James
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          • Profile picture of the author txconx
            I'll join the lovefest for JayXtreme and TheRichJerksNet.
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          • Profile picture of the author C A Perez
            First of all, WOW.
            I just reached my 10 article limit at EA. I have to wait for them to say it's OK to submit more articles. So in the mean time, I thought that I'd check out WF to see if anyone knew anything about multiple submissions. I'm here linked from another post that I was reading on multiple submissions. I think James told the OP to come here and read the entire post. I jumped on it.

            From a blog discussion at EA, I erroneously concluded that it would not be a good idea to submit my articles to multiple sites. That somehow EA would reject my articles and, since they were the 'authority', my multiple submissions would be found out and I would be banned from EA. Or worse, Google and other search engines would tag me as a spammer and I would be banned from the Internet!

            What an eye opener this has been! I think I love these guys too! Don't get the wrong idea. I've been married 45years with lots of grankids to prove it.

            Thanks!
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by C A Perez View Post

              First of all, WOW.
              I just reached my 10 article limit at EA. I have to wait for them to say it's OK to submit more articles. So in the mean time, I thought that I'd check out WF to see if anyone knew anything about multiple submissions. I'm here linked from another post that I was reading on multiple submissions. I think James told the OP to come here and read the entire post. I jumped on it.

              From a blog discussion at EA, I erroneously concluded that it would not be a good idea to submit my articles to multiple sites. That somehow EA would reject my articles and, since they were the 'authority', my multiple submissions would be found out and I would be banned from EA. Or worse, Google and other search engines would tag me as a spammer and I would be banned from the Internet!

              What an eye opener this has been! I think I love these guys too! Don't get the wrong idea. I've been married 45years with lots of grankids to prove it.

              Thanks!
              Carlos
              That is the entire point here, many are mislead by so called experts and even some that are self proclaimed experts that really are nothing more than fraud... This is why keith, Jay, Peter, and Myself have answered post over and over because frankly I am tired of the so called experts feeding a bunch of rubbish to people that blindly follow them thinking they are experts...

              We have posted proven methods here that are facts and not some little test we decided to do on the whim. Some have pointed out the post or thread is a joke and while I may respect someone else for being a writer for years I do NOT respect the trampling over someone elses thread thread that has helped many people.

              I am glad you see now that you will not be banned and your site will not go down just because you decide to spread "YOUR" content around to other places. EZA is not the king of the hill and they certainly are not the ones I would give my content to.

              James
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          • Profile picture of the author mentorondemand
            What a great informative thread.

            When i first started reading I thought
            hey let me show them the way, however
            i must say I got more from just reading
            and listening.

            Thanks to all the great advise
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          • Profile picture of the author achivement84
            If your article is long , i agree the opinion to put a short summary about it on EZA and link it to your main article page in your site.Also it doesn`t matter to post it to your website .
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          • Profile picture of the author degcommunications
            I personally believe it's best to have 2 separate articles. This gives you a chance to rank your site and your marketing methods on the first page of google giving you a chance to grab them at your site or funnel them to your site via articles.
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            • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
              Originally Posted by degcommunications View Post

              I personally believe it's best to have 2 separate articles. This gives you a chance to rank your site and your marketing methods on the first page of google giving you a chance to grab them at your site or funnel them to your site via articles.
              :rolleyes:

              And the cycle continues.....lol
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

                :rolleyes:

                And the cycle continues.....lol
                Yeah I noticed .. Instead of taking the time to read the thread and learn and then maybe share or ask questions. They just read the first post and respond.. It's truly amazing!

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          • Profile picture of the author sikaz
            What l do is to first make a post on my site then re-write it and send to EZA.

            You see,perchance EZA might not accept your article,having it on your site
            means that your effort is not in vain.

            How about that?
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          • Profile picture of the author StarkContrast
            And silly me, I didn't know until very recently that you could even have it on both your own site and EZA. I need to be more careful about reading the fine print....
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          • Profile picture of the author mavensophie
            My mentor says: your blog first, and only then any article directory. Google looks at the age of the article, and if your blog's date precedes the other dates, then your blog post is considered the original, and you'll get a better rating that the other way around, when you would look like another me-too marketer
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            • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
              Great thread! It should be core reading for anyone interested in article marketing.

              I have just finished reading the whole of this awesome thread. I've already started to put in place new practices, such as posting first to my own site.

              Previously I wrote articles and submitted to EZA, but never added them to my own site. Now I am adding everything to my site first, and of course am only writing quality articles too. I added Wordpress to a subdirectory of my site which makes it much much quicker to post my articles.

              One thing I would like to ask about. On another forum site I use a regular poster called fathom posted this (I assume it is OK to quote him)

              I wouldn't submit to any.
              1. Your article has to get crawled to be of any value

              2. Your article (if crawled) gets an equal share of whatever link juice is available... the thing is - "what's available?"

              3. Supplemental results prevents pages of low PageRank from passing link juice

              The chance of getting any link juice from any article submission portals is about 0.0% to 0.01%

              If you are writing articles about "dogs" - find great dog sites to submit your articles to... then the potential for returns is significantly better.

              If they reject you because your information isn't up to snuff... that's the point... "free isn't worth much".


              1. All pages that have very little or no PageRank are assigned to supplemental results.

              2. All pages assigned to supplemental results do not pass any link juice... 0, none, nothing, zilch, zip.

              3. So check all your articles in all of the article submission sites and find all those PR4 (PR4 and above you can be sure are not in supplemental)... PR3 most won't be supplemental, PR2 probably half are supplemental, PR1 most are supplemental, and PR0 are all supplemental...

              All supplemental pages DO NOT PASS LINK JUICE

              To test - add dlwyfd6dm3pdjd9r4 link anchor to articles you submit to submission sites... if juice is passed to a page that doesn't have that reference on it... it will rank... you will find only the page with the link anchor will rank.

              Hence - nothing to passed... hence you wasted alot of writing, alot of copy, and alot of time on something that does nothing.

              Traffic? ...1 not so targeted visitor a year isn't viable traffic.


              He is arguing that it is pointless to post articles to article sites for the link juice, because even though they will point to your site they pass no link juice at all.

              I know link juice isn't the only reason to post articles, but for me it is a big one.

              Sorry for the long post and quote. I just am very keen to hear what the wise people of this post think about these supplemental results.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                All I have to say is every word he posted is so full of crap that it is really sick to know some actually may follow him....

                James

                Originally Posted by mikeevee View Post

                Great thread! It should be core reading for anyone interested in article marketing.

                I have just finished reading the whole of this awesome thread. I've already started to put in place new practices, such as posting first to my own site.

                Previously I wrote articles and submitted to EZA, but never added them to my own site. Now I am adding everything to my site first, and of course am only writing quality articles too. I added Wordpress to a subdirectory of my site which makes it much much quicker to post my articles.

                One thing I would like to ask about. On another forum site I use a regular poster called fathom posted this (I assume it is OK to quote him)



                He is arguing that it is pointless to post articles to article sites for the link juice, because even though they will point to your site they pass no link juice at all.

                I know link juice isn't the only reason to post articles, but for me it is a big one.

                Sorry for the long post and quote. I just am very keen to hear what the wise people of this post think about these supplemental results.
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Mikeevee, one quick question...

                Does your buddy fathom happen to be promoting an alternate link building program, service or course?
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                • Profile picture of the author mikeevee
                  Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

                  Mikeevee, one quick question...

                  Does your buddy fathom happen to be promoting an alternate link building program, service or course?
                  No - He doesnt seem to be. There's no links in his post or his footer. Normally I would have discounted him immediately, esp after reading through all 14 pages of this thread. But he has a post count of over 2000 so I reasoned, perhaps mistakenly, that maybe he knew something I didn't.

                  Well I'm off to test my new article approach based on what's in this thread.

                  Thanks all the time to put the common misconceptions around dup content to rest.
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        • Profile picture of the author truepers
          So the motto of this story is?

          Provide good, original, useful content, and you will be loved by beautiful ladies (or gentlemen, as the case may be).

          On a serious note, a great thread, extremely helpful. Better than a well conceived ebook. Better than most of the stuff on TV. Thank you all.

          I understand the value of EZA and article directories, particularly for getting backlinks to your site, and most especially when you're getting a new site off the ground. So initially, sounds like a good idea. But I prefer the idea of growing my own site, rather than someone else's. More satisfying. Sort of like making improvements to your home rather than your landlord's building. Add value to your own property - the incentive makes the drudge work more tolerable.

          In the long run, are you better off renting or owning?
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          • Profile picture of the author mentor4u
            Hello
            I answered in a similar thread yesterday.
            My wife is a Platinum expert author at ezinearticles.com

            What we do on ALL our sites is post the article on our site first.
            Than submit to ezinearticles first.
            Since we are the original author and the resource box goes to that
            site ezinearticles will accept the article.

            That way we get the most google juice.
            As long as the 2 match ezine articles has no problem.

            The last ten articles that came out in the last ten days from
            ezinearticles are ALL on the first page of google.
            since they are alexa 211 they have the most juice.
            After they approve and publish the article than we submit to the top
            50 article directories for more google juice.
            So we go in number one
            ezinearticles.com goes in number two
            than all the other follow behind for additional backlinks.

            So this is the actual real world example that all are on the first page
            of google and most in the number one and two position.
            We than continue to link to those articles to keep them on the first page
            lots of google juice and money in our pockets.
            Don
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by truepers View Post

            But I prefer the idea of growing my own site, rather than someone else's. More satisfying. Sort of like making improvements to your home rather than your landlord's building. Add value to your own property - the incentive makes the drudge work more tolerable.

            In the long run, are you better off renting or owning?
            Exactly .... Oh I like you, welcome to the forums ...

            James
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        • Profile picture of the author aidanjb1
          Without a doubt put it on your site first and make sure its bookmarked by google. Otherwise your site will be considered duplicate content...
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by aidanjb1 View Post

            Without a doubt put it on your site first and make sure its bookmarked by google. Otherwise your site will be considered duplicate content...
            Duplicate Content is a Myth ... Wish I was paid 5 cents for everytime I said that ...

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author mentor4u
              James

              If everyone paid me ten cents today, we both could retire.
              I have a article on my site
              ezinearticles.com has the same article
              100 other sites have the exact same article
              1000 sites take the article and put in on their sites.

              so thousands of the EXACT same article and google
              loves it and gives me lots of google juice and does not
              penalize me...They just say it must be one good article.
              Standing here with a cup for all my ten cents.

              Don

              Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

              Duplicate Content is a Myth ... Wish I was paid 5 cents for everytime I said that ...

              James
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              • Profile picture of the author patlondon
                Originally Posted by mentor4u View Post

                James

                If everyone paid me ten cents today, we both could retire.
                I have a article on my site
                ezinearticles.com has the same article
                100 other sites have the exact same article
                1000 sites take the article and put in on their sites.

                so thousands of the EXACT same article and google
                loves it and gives me lots of google juice and does not
                penalize me...They just say it must be one good article.
                Standing here with a cup for all my ten cents.

                Don
                and the person that gets the most links to that page with proper anchor text usually will win the rankings for that article even if they're not the one who wrote it in the first place...
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                • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                  Originally Posted by patlondon View Post

                  and the person that gets the most links to that page with proper anchor text usually will win the rankings for that article even if they're not the one who wrote it in the first place...
                  No actually that is wrong.. the articles have his link in it leading back to his site and as such he will get the top listings because thousands are linking to his site. So unless that publisher really wants to try and get twice the amount of links to that one article then I am sorry they will not top rank the site itself that is getting thousands of links.

                  How many publishers you know that is going to spent the time on getting thousands of backlinks to that one article that links to someone elses site ???

                  James
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                  • Profile picture of the author patlondon
                    Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                    No actually that is wrong.. the articles have his link in it leading back to his site and as such he will get the top listings because thousands are linking to his site. So unless that publisher really wants to try and get twice the amount of links to that one article then I am sorry they will not top rank the site itself that is getting thousands of links.

                    How many publishers you know that is going to spent the time on getting thousands of backlinks to that one article that links to someone elses site ???

                    James
                    I've used plenty of 3rd party content in my niches and got top rankings for that very article...outranking original author.

                    It may be that people don't realize that they really should link to the original article URL on their sites with proper anchor text in those resource boxes- but many people just use their main terms and link to the index page.

                    Happens all the time though..sorry.
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                    • Profile picture of the author mentor4u
                      First let me say if you read my post on the other page
                      i link to the article url. We will use the example of the ten
                      articles that came out in the last ten days ALL sittng on page one
                      most #1 and #2. I use Angelas 30 site packet here in the warrior forum.
                      So i take 10 of her high PR authority sites and at each one i link to the article url and the site. this will keep the article on page one plus boost the site. One article does not make a site. I am confused on your statement that you outrank the original author. How do you know that..If you kept me and my site in the resource box that would benefit me more than you. Google knows who the original author is. So on my ten articles in the example Google knows i am the original author, than put out by ezinearticles.com, than the other 1000's. But i am in first place, Always, unless you do not install my resource box.

                      I thought this started out about a artilce on my site.
                      Don

                      Originally Posted by patlondon View Post

                      I've used plenty of 3rd party content in my niches and got top rankings for that very article...outranking original author.

                      It may be that people don't realize that they really should link to the article URL in those resource boxes but go after links to only the index page.

                      It may be that my site has more authority then theirs in that niche..plus more incoming links in general.

                      Happens all the time though..sorry.
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                      • Profile picture of the author patlondon
                        By adding link to your url, you're doing things right there, and by sending more links with right keyword text also. But Google will not always serve up the source of the content but the best version..the one that's optimized the best, on and off page...that's all I'm trying to say without stepping on any toes..
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                      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                        Originally Posted by mentor4u View Post

                        First let me say if you read my post on the other page
                        i link to the article url. We will use the example of the ten
                        articles that came out in the last ten days ALL sittng on page one
                        most #1 and #2. I use Angelas 30 site packet here in the warrior forum.
                        So i take 10 of her high PR authority sites and at each one i link to the article url and the site. this will keep the article on page one plus boost the site. One article does not make a site. I am confused on your statement that you outrank the original author. How do you know that..If you kept me and my site in the resource box that would benefit me more than you. Google knows who the original author is. So on my ten articles in the example Google knows i am the original author, than put out by ezinearticles.com, than the other 1000's. But i am in first place, Always, unless you do not install my resource box.

                        I thought this started out about a artilce on my site.
                        Don
                        That was my point, no way he can outrank an author that is already getting thousands of backlinks. Unless he is cheating the system somehow (ie: removing resource links)....

                        Sure he can outrank an author that just slaps article out there and does nothing else, but I thought you already posted about building backlinks to your articles so I went by what you posted. Maybe patlondon just needs to learn to read the entire thread as I have told others...

                        James
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                        • Profile picture of the author patlondon
                          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                          That was my point, no way he can outrank an author that is already getting thousands of backlinks. Unless he is cheating the system somehow (ie: removing resource links)....

                          Sure he can outrank an author that just slaps article out there and does nothing else, but I thought you already posted about building backlinks to your articles so I went by what you posted. Maybe patlondon just needs to learn to read the entire thread as I have told others...

                          James
                          I'll try to do better in the future...and it's she

                          ...and no I've never removed links from articles though I've had it happen to me quiet alot.
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      • Profile picture of the author gianne2705
        Perfect answer Jay!We may have different ways on how to get things successful but it is the best answer to do with this situation.
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    • Profile picture of the author geolt7
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      This same question has been asked over and over... There is only 1 "Real" answer that has been proven, has nothing to do with a difference in opinion. If you want the results that you desire then follow the simple plan.

      1. Create your own original unique article and post it in your site / blog first in full length.

      2. Install a blog (if you main site is a blog then install a 2nd one) on this blog you will post only a summary and link to your main site/blog article.

      3. Bookmark your original article and bookmark the blog with the summary. After bookmarking if you have Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

      - If you use Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web? or All News, Videos, & Images you can have your article indexed within minutes.

      4. Take your orginal article and rewrite it at least 35% - there are proper spinners you can use for this process if you desire. If you have no desire to spin then just create a copy and edit the copy.

      5. Submit the copies of your article to article directories, now this is where spun articles would really help as you could provide 20 or so different copies to 20 or so different article directories.

      6. Make sure you resource box leads back to your site. If you want and the article directory allows a 2nd link you can link to one of your other articles on another article directory.

      - Changing your resource box is a good thing, just like spinning your article you should also make slight changes to your resource box.

      7. Bookmark each one of the articles you have posted on article directories. If the article directories has author Rss Feeds then submit those to Rss Directories.

      8. Use distribution services (again spun articles are great for this) such as iSnare, MyArticleNetwork, and etc... Get your spun version posted on blogs, yahoo groups, and etc..

      9. Create a beautiful looking PDF from one of the articles and start posting it on Document Sharing sites. Make sure to bookmark and submit Rss Feeds as explained above.

      - Learn about document sharing sites - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ate-links.html

      10. As they say rinse and repeat....

      James
      Thanks man. I am going to try this out.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by geolt7 View Post

        Thanks man. I am going to try this out.

        Great !!! Your welcome... Nice to see someone taking some action, that is what we want to see. Let us know your results after you have worked on the plan ...

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author sunnydays
          Wow I've learned a lot from this thread! I've been under the impression that you should post an article to EZA because it has a higher likelihood of getting ranked. I figured that if I put an article on my site and then the same / similar article on EZA, the article on EZA would outrank my site. Does that make sense? Can someone shed some light on this because I think I've been doing this completely wrong.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Thanks Keith ..

    A few points to ponder also..

    Now I use my own server instead of blogger but hey never hurts to test. On AP I actually have 2 blogs installed and the reason is this...

    By posting summaries on the blog linking to the main article it helps increase you rankings of not only the site but that article also. So in this case by having the blog installed on my same domain it helps increase the rank of the main domain. This is something you miss out on by using blogger and not your own domain name.

    Using your own domain you can also use sub-domains to install the blog on and when you create the sub-domain name use keywords. For example if I my main site is about wedding dresses then I would install a blog at wedding_dresses.mydomain.com (please note the underscore is just a habbit of mine, it is not needed).

    Again testing is always good, for that matter it would not hurt to use blogger and your domain name both. Just make sure you always bookmark and submit feeds.

    Spun articles - You do NOT need to spin your articles, please do not take my post the wrong way. This is NOT required but I suggest it for several reasons which I will list below. Before I do though let's please remember "Duplicate Content" is a myth, spinning articles have nothing to do with dup content.

    Spin articles for these reasons

    1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

    2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

    3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

    4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

    5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

    Anyways great additions Keith ....

    Now I feel like going and posting on my blog ...lol

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Thanks Keith ..

      A few points to ponder also..

      Now I use my own server instead of blogger but hey never hurts to test. On AP I actually have 2 blogs installed and the reason is this...

      By posting summaries on the blog linking to the main article it helps increase you rankings of not only the site but that article also. So in this case by having the blog installed on my same domain it helps increase the rank of the main domain. This is something you miss out on by using blogger and not your own domain name.
      You know, I actually AM doing this, but I don't do it with two blogs on the same domain.

      One of the pieces I frequently use is an RSS plugin that will publish snippets from an RSS URL you specify. It's meant to be used in your template as a "related news" kind of thing, but I use it in my posts themselves, and I pull a feed from my own blog. I put it in the footer as "other stories you might like".

      I may expand that concept a little more based on your reccommendations.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Using your own domain you can also use sub-domains to install the blog on and when you create the sub-domain name use keywords. For example if I my main site is about wedding dresses then I would install a blog at wedding_dresses.mydomain.com (please note the underscore is just a habbit of mine, it is not needed).

      Again testing is always good, for that matter it would not hurt to use blogger and your domain name both. Just make sure you always bookmark and submit feeds.
      Subdomains are cool too because they rank as unique domains. There's a WP plugin that lets you make subdomains auto-redirect to a specified page or category page. You just set up the subdomain in your domain admin, and configure it on the blog to tell it what you want it to point to.

      I haven't tested that extensively yet, but I'm very excited about the possibilities there.

      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Spun articles - You do NOT need to spin your articles, please do not take my post the wrong way. This is NOT required but I suggest it for several reasons which I will list below. Before I do though let's please remember "Duplicate Content" is a myth, spinning articles have nothing to do with dup content.

      Spin articles for these reasons

      1. More publishers will pickup your articles and post them on their blog because they do like fresh content and not the same article that is posted on a million other blogs.

      2. Spinning the article will give you a better chance at targeting other keywords that you may left out of the original.

      3. Having different versions of the article posted on article directories, blogs, and etc looks more professional if you are trying to come accross as an expert in your niche. Posting the same article over and over and over just looks like blatant spam.

      4. Spun articles give you a great chance to create mini blog post, pdf docs, short reports for list building, and etc.. The uses are almost unlimited.

      5. We have no idea what the future holds and if you are posting to 50 article directories and have 50 different versions of your article then you are already prepared for what changes site owners or search engines may make a few years down the road. In otherwords it's best to be safe than sorry, if 25 of those article directories decide they no longer what dup content then guess what all your hard work goes out the window.. Unless ofcourse you was working smart and submitted spun articles.

      Anyways great additions Keith ....

      Now I feel like going and posting on my blog ...lol

      James
      That's some really interesting points there, and though I say I don't "spin" I guess I actually am, because nothing I re-post is identical to what it was when I got it. I always add some kind of custom header or footer, or image. In a way, that's a form of spinning even though I don't change the content itself.

      As for the kind of spinning you describe, I have the capability of doing that in my system. Using StrayRandomQuotes, you can actually set up articles that can remix themselves at the time of publication, and will be unique every time you publish. Normally, this wouldn't be good for SEO as search spiders don't really like that kind of totally dynamic content, but I don't use this to publish via my live WP site. I publish this content to a feed which I re-publish elsewhere. That way, at the time of publication, that article variation is "locked".

      Anyway, kind of complicated, so I hope that makes sense.

      But what I was going to say is that even though I CAN do it that way, it's a lot of work and I haven't really had to do it to get results. I'm reserving that technique for if I ever let the public use my system, or if I ever run out of content for a particular niche (unlikely).

      If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

      Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post


        If you don't mind my asking - what do you use for spinning? Do you just mix it up by hand? I recently say a cool Wordtracker Firefox plugin that's meant to help you write keyword heavy content - I was thinking of using that to some degree.

        Thanks again for the in-depth post, James!
        I use my own system for spinning articles... I do not just promote my site I actually use it also ..lol

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author braver55b
          While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

          Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by braver55b View Post

            While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.
            Give me one logical reason why ???

            It has been proven time and time again that you can improve your rankings and traffic a great deal more by posting to your site first.

            * So WHY would I want to give all my link juice to EZA ??

            * WHY would I want to help make EZA an authority site ??

            * What is EZA going to give me for making them an authority site ??

            * WHY post to a directory that slams your articles with Goggle Ads ??

            Please give me just one logical and proven reason why I would give my unique content to another site such as EZA ...

            James
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            • Profile picture of the author braver55b
              I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

              However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.


              As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.


              Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                Originally Posted by braver55b View Post

                I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

                However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.


                As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.


                Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.
                Just as Allen has said, you still have not given a logical reason...

                I have already proven an author can post their article on my directory and be approved and within 30 minutes have top listing over EZA.. So your logic does not hold water. I already know for a fact that many of Allens authors also outrank EZA articles.

                EZA is an authority site by those that call it one, fact is if 50% of the authors decided to wake up and work smarter and not use EZA guess where EZA's authority would be ??

                So now what happens to all your articles that you put all that time in building up another site as an authority instead of building your own site as an authority ....

                Not trying to start anything but facts are facts.. I am still waiting for one logical reason why you would post to EZA first. I bet between Allen and myself we could give you 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons why you should not, all I am asking for is one logical reason why you should...

                James
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                • Profile picture of the author LegitBlogger
                  Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                  Just as Allen has said, you still have not given a logical reason...

                  I have already proven an author can post their article on my directory and be approved and within 30 minutes have top listing over EZA.. So your logic does not hold water. I already know for a fact that many of Allens authors also outrank EZA articles.

                  EZA is an authority site by those that call it one, fact is if 50% of the authors decided to wake up and work smarter and not use EZA guess where EZA's authority would be ??

                  So now what happens to all your articles that you put all that time in building up another site as an authority instead of building your own site as an authority ....

                  Not trying to start anything but facts are facts.. I am still waiting for one logical reason why you would post to EZA first. I bet between Allen and myself we could give you 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons why you should not, all I am asking for is one logical reason why you should...

                  James
                  Bravo... well said. But it will be INTERESTING and
                  EDUCATIONAL to hear these 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons.

                  Care to share them?
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                  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
                    Originally Posted by LegitBlogger View Post

                    Bravo... well said. But it will be INTERESTING and
                    EDUCATIONAL to hear these 25 "PROVEN" logical reasons.

                    Care to share them?
                    Since you asked.. and before I post 25 reasons I will say this...

                    I am in no way downgrading EZA or saying you should not post to them because your marketing and your testing of your niche is what you should be doing. Nobody knows your marketing better than yourself. I agree that you should post to other article directories so please do not take this as an attempt that I am saying you do not need to post to other article directories.

                    "I" personally have tested many different article directories and "I" have used many different methods and so forth in that testing. This is testing "I" have done for "MY OWN" results. Your testing may have different results....

                    25 Reasons Why You Should Not Post To EZA First

                    1. Because it makes them seen as an authority for "your" content.
                    2. Because you can make your own site/blog an authority.
                    3. Because they take possible customers away with google ads.
                    4. Because you are limited on what your articles can say.
                    5. Because you can not directly post affiliate links.
                    6. Because you can easily outrank an EZA article.
                    7. Because you should build your site as the authority.
                    8. Because many of the views of your articles on EZA are from competition.
                    9. Because you do not have the ability to keep the readers focused on only your links.
                    10. Because you are not allowed to post links in the body of the article.
                    11. Because you have very limited control over the layout of that article.
                    12. Because your competition is even called an "expert" jut by posting 10 articles.
                    13. Because some social bookmarking sites reject EZA due to spam.
                    14. Because they do nothing to help promote your articles.
                    15. Because they use the "no follow" attribute on your links.
                    16. Because you can not control the comments posted on your articles.
                    17. Because you can not control who re-publishes your content.
                    18. Because you can not offer publishers incentives to re-publish your content.
                    19. Because on your own site/blog you can offer publishers free gifts to re-publish your content.
                    20. Because on your own site you do not have to share a category rss feed with competition.
                    21. Because on your own site/blog you do control the comments on your articles.
                    22. Because on your own site you control the url output (possibilities to have short url's).
                    23. Because on your own site you do not have to manage different accounts just to have the "posted by" in a different name.
                    24. Because on your own site/blog you can link to "any" third party domain without restrictions.
                    25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

                    James
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                    • Profile picture of the author LegitBlogger
                      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

                      Since you asked.. and before I post 25 reasons I will say this...

                      I am in no way downgrading EZA or saying you should not post to them because your marketing and your testing of your niche is what you should be doing. Nobody knows your marketing better than yourself. I agree that you should post to other article directories so please do not take this as an attempt that I am saying you do not need to post to other article directories.

                      "I" personally have tested many different article directories and "I" have used many different methods and so forth in that testing. This is testing "I" have done for "MY OWN" results. Your testing may have different results....

                      25 Reasons Why You Should Not Post To EZA First

                      1. Because it makes them seen as an authority for "your" content.
                      2. Because you can make your own site/blog an authority.
                      3. Because they take possible customers away with google ads.
                      4. Because you are limited on what your articles can say.
                      5. Because you can not directly post affiliate links.
                      6. Because you can easily outrank an EZA article.
                      7. Because you should build your site as the authority.
                      8. Because many of the views of your articles on EZA are from competition.
                      9. Because you do not have the ability to keep the readers focused on only your links.
                      10. Because you are not allowed to post links in the body of the article.
                      11. Because you have very limited control over the layout of that article.
                      12. Because your competition is even called an "expert" jut by posting 10 articles.
                      13. Because some social bookmarking sites reject EZA due to spam.
                      14. Because they do nothing to help promote your articles.
                      15. Because they use the "no follow" attribute on your links.
                      16. Because you can not control the comments posted on your articles.
                      17. Because you can not control who re-publishes your content.
                      18. Because you can not offer publishers incentives to re-publish your content.
                      19. Because on your own site/blog you can offer publishers free gifts to re-publish your content.
                      20. Because on your own site you do not have to share a category rss feed with competition.
                      21. Because on your own site/blog you do control the comments on your articles.
                      22. Because on your own site you control the url output (possibilities to have short url's).
                      23. Because on your own site you do not have to manage different accounts just to have the "posted by" in a different name.
                      24. Because on your own site/blog you can link to "any" third party domain without restrictions.
                      25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

                      James
                      ha ha ha - I'd say "thanks" for taking the time to list them.
                      While I DO agree with some of them, I don't agree with all.
                      But thanks nonetheless for listing them... and yes - you do
                      have some points, of course, but...
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          • Profile picture of the author jeffreys
            Originally Posted by braver55b View Post

            I see James, based on your previous posts that you're trying to start something,

            However I'll just say that EZA IS an authority site (which you will find in google, while doing searches over and over again) and will put an article in google much faster as it is a site that is "loved" by google.


            As for why you submit your article to a site that surrounds your site with google ads, well that's just the trade off for getting google to index and count the backlink as one from a High PR site.


            Besides as we all know, that people go to EZA looking for content (whether consumers or publishers of newsletters) and are far more likely to read your article there, be impressed by it and say "I gotta check this guy/gal out" and clicks on your link in the resource box.
            Originally Posted by braver55b View Post

            While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

            Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.
            Get real. Put your article to your site before you put it to eza. Always put your site as an authority site. Get it index by google for your article. Why should you put EZA as your authority site? What EZA will give you in return for getting your article in EZA index first page at google search engine?
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            • Profile picture of the author pup
              Originally Posted by braver55b
              While opinions may differ, putting it on EZA first and indexed by google first before you even think of putting it on your site is best IMHO.

              Keep in mind that EZA will check to make sure that your article doesn't appear elsewhere before they approve it.



              I tested this. I post to my blog first, then to various article directories who approve me right away then Eza and they always approve my articles. I've been doing it this way since I read this thread and have never had a problem with Eza.
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              • Profile picture of the author TheWinner
                Originally Posted by pup View Post

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                I tested this. I post to my blog first, then to various article directories who approve me right away then Eza and they always approve my articles. I've been doing it this way since I read this thread and have never had a problem with Eza.
                That's great to hear. You've put the knowledge you gained in this thread all into action and it's working for you. It's a great strategy, something I've also done since reading this thread all those months ago, and it's been working a treat for me.

                Keep up the great work!

                Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author StuartL
    Personally I stopped using article sites over a year ago. I think the strategy is overdone now and ineffective. Do articles on sites still rank anywhere? It is one thing to get the link, but I'd rather have the link and traffic.

    But for the sake of the thread, I would add the article to my site, leave it for several days so that it has time to be indexed and then add or remove a couple of paragraphs and upload this slightly changed article to ezinearticles.

    Then I'd do a little - not a lot - of bookmarking for both to help them out.

    Best wishes all,

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  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    I think the real answer here is to TEST and MEASURE!!!
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

      I think the real answer here is to TEST and MEASURE!!!
      ...and RESEARCH and LISTEN.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I sent PMs to those who requested them. DAMN - I hate that 500 second delay!

    Listen, I don't know how I got dragged into the 25 reasons gimmick - I only have my own reasons which have not been discussed in this thread - or on this forum at all as far as I know.

    I don't want to get mixed up as someone who challenges those who do not agree with me. If someone doesn't agree, that's fine. It's their choice and leaves more room for me to perform my own techniques.

    Even some of my members don't agree with everything I teach them - but that's fine. I allow them to voice their opinion in our forum and do things the way they want to do them. If it works for them, then more power to 'em!

    I used to be that way, but I learned that challenging people only takes up more time and energy that I don't want or need to spend anymore. So I gracefully back out of that part of the discussion.

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  • Profile picture of the author JAIDEEP2959
    You can put on Ezinearticles.com first.

    It will get more views and may get featured in 'Most viewed in 90 days' section and 'Most published' section giving your website great traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Shane Hale
    I say on EZA and send them to your site on resource box. Google frowns on duplicate content. IMHO
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  • Profile picture of the author spycraft
    I always thought that you can't put the articles from your site on EZA... Guess I am wrong
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Originally Posted by digidoodles
    I love him more

    And Keith TOTALLY ROCKS TOO!

    Thank you guys!!

    Warmly,

    Brandi
    Wow I am loved twice in one thread ...lol

    Originally Posted by Shane Hale
    I say on EZA and send them to your site on resource box. Google frowns on duplicate content. IMHO
    Shane, duplicate content is a myth .. This does not apply here...

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    Hi, the near consensus in this thread is to post on your site first as I see, and fundamentally it's right (as your own site should benefit from your own content first)

    I'm a newbie who is yet to make a penny, but I'll go the other way and I'm going to tell you the "logical" reasons behind it. Posting an article on EZA might have two uses:

    1. EZA's high ranking in Google might put your article on the first page of Google, so this means eventually higher traffic to your site.

    2. The backlink with the anchor text from EZA will help your site's SERPs.

    Well, the point is, if you put the article on your site first and EZA after that, the EZA article will be marked as duplicate content. This is not a negative thing and you'll not get penalized by this by Google, but duplicate content's SEO value is much lower than original content. So by putting it to your site first, you are making your EZA article of low SEO quality, which results in:

    1. Your EZA article being harder to rank among other articles in EZA and harder to bring you traffic.

    2. The backlink juice you're going to get from your EZA article is going to be minimal, as it is duplicate content.

    You're welcome to kick me in the ass and negate my points I'm just writing what I think to be true.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      ...if you put the article on your site first and EZA after that, the EZA article will be marked as duplicate content. This is not a negative thing and you'll not get penalized by this by Google, but duplicate content's SEO value is much lower than original content. So by putting it to your site first, you are making your EZA article of low SEO quality...
      Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

      If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

      Just wondering...

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      • Profile picture of the author Talinn
        Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

        Do you work for Google? If so, keep the suggestions coming.

        If not, then how on Earth can you make this assumption...especially being a self-proclaimed newbie?

        Just wondering...

        Allen
        It is just logical thinking. Do you think, in the eyes of Google, duplicate content is as valuable as original content? No "penalties" yes, but no big bonuses either. If duplicate content's value in the eyes of Google is the same as original content, then I might as well build an "authority" site in any niche you can imagine in a matter of minutes, just collecting from the hundreds of thousands of available free articles on the Internet - EZA, GoArticles, etc.

        I don't have to work for Google or be a SEO expert to guess that duplicate content is of low value to Google.
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        • Profile picture of the author gjedda63
          The last weeks I have submitted my articles to my site first,then after indexing I have changed the title and entirely the first 100 letters and so EZA.
          In this way i have full credit for unique content and full juice from Eza. The tweaked articles from Eza is all on first page in google so they cannot be considered as low value content in googles eyes.
          But I build backlinks to my site content for high ranking in G for the long term. All Eza articles rank high for a week or so then fading away slowly.
          My purpose for eza articles now are just the backlink value because the CTR from the Eza traffic is terrible. Organic search traffic is much better.
          This is my experience the last couple of months.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
    I have always posted the full article to my site, then submitted the exact same article to eza and not had a problem

    'dupe content' doesnt mean what you think it does.

    When eza says 'dupe content' they mean is your article the same as one they already have or the same as another internet site (not yours)

    When people talk about google and 'dupe content', that references posting the same article over and over on your own site.

    So there shouldnt be an issue posting to your own site then to eza
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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.
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    • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.
      How the heck do you know that? :confused:

      I will have to respectfully disagree based on my own views.

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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.
      I think this is incorrect. Duplicate content as it is relevant to google references duplicate content on your site because it makes google try to index the same site for the same article two different times. If duplicate content worked the way you are saying it does, places like drudge report or any other site that does things like rss feeds would be destroyed in a week as far as google and rankings go
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      Yes, of course there's going to be no issue, but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal.
      That is absolute nonsense.
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      • Profile picture of the author Talinn
        Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

        That is absolute nonsense.
        So duplicate content is as valuable as unique content?

        GEEZ! Then I'm building my super authority websites about just any niche you can imagine by simply copying free articles from GoA and EZA right away! I'm going to be the king of the Internets in no time.
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        • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
          Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

          So duplicate content is as valuable as unique content?

          GEEZ! Then I'm building my super authority websites about just any niche you can imagine by simply copying free articles from GoA and EZA right away! I'm going to be the king of the Internets in no time.
          1. There are people here, some whom have ansered your nonsense with reason and logic, and they know what they are on about. They walk the walk and they talk the talk. They make extremely good money. As do I. I know that what you are saying is nonsense because in my tenure I've proven it incorrect more than once.
          2. Duplicate content penalties are a complete fallacy, and ranking with your own content wherever it is placed is not affected by anything - other than the amount of time you spend working quality SEO. If you SEO an article on EZA more than you optimize your own page, you will rank better with the EZA page. And vise versa.
          3. Don't ever try and belittle or patronize me again.
          Content has value, duplicate or not, based on the amount of visitors you point at it. Where that content lives makes no difference to the search engines, and it is neither harder nor easier to rank that content no matter where it resides. It's all in the time spent doing proper SEO work.

          It can be on 1 000 000 different sites and wherever you point your visitors at, within those 1 000 000 sites, this is where you will see the most VALUE for that content.
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          • Profile picture of the author Talinn
            Originally Posted by peter gibson View Post

            1. There are people here, some whom have ansered your nonsense with reason and logic, and they know what they are on about. They walk the walk and they talk the talk. They make extremely good money. As do I. I know that what you are saying is nonsense because in my tenure I've proven it incorrect more than once.
            2. Duplicate content penalties are a complete fallacy, and ranking with your own content wherever it is placed is not affected by anything - other than the amount of time you spend working quality SEO. If you SEO an article on EZA more than you optimize your own page, you will rank better with the EZA page. And vise versa.
            3. Don't ever try and belittle or patronize me again.
            Content has value, duplicate or not, based on the amount of visitors you point at it. Where that content lives makes no difference to the search engines, and it is neither harder nor easier to rank that content no matter where it resides. It's all in the time spent doing proper SEO work.

            It can be on 1 000 000 different sites and wherever you point your visitors at, within those 1 000 000 sites, this is where you will see the most VALUE for that content.
            That you earn "extremely good money" doesn't mean you have the right to post something just consisting of "you are writing absolute nonsense" and expect a very nice, apologetive answer from me. I'm not belittling you, you are belittling yourself.

            You are talking about something completely different. I am talking about the value Google puts in the content, not its visitor value or something. The value Google puts in a content is obviously decisive on its rankings. And I am suggesting that Google will put less value on duplicate content.
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            • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
              I'll say this one more time. What you said IS NONSENSE. I call it like I see it. And I'm not claiming superiority because I make a good living online, I'm saying it because I have been around long enough to have shown what you are saying is simply not the case.

              It is NONSENSE because I have proven it to be so. So if you are writing absolute nonsense, what should I call it to appease your sensibilities? Perhaps I should have said "your obvious internet prowess was slightly damaged by your false assertion, kind sir." Give me a break.

              Your not making any friends round here right now mate. I mention that the people answering you are successful only to point out that you should listen a little more than argue.

              When you state opinions as facts, you are perpetuating a myth that can cause new people to waste a great deal of time and effort that is completely unnecessary. So being blunt is sometimes required.

              Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

              You are talking about something completely different. I am talking about the value Google puts in the content, not its visitor value or something. The value Google puts in a content is obviously decisive on its rankings. And I am suggesting that Google will put less value on duplicate content.
              If you would like to explain what you mean my a content's intrinsic "value" then perhaps we can be more clear on the points you have been asserting as facts. Because value from content to me means the amount of sales/ entertainment/information value I offer. That value only comes from the visitors that see it.

              If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site), well, this may be yet another case of your obvious internet prowess being slightly damaged by your false assertion, kind sir.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    The content - yes...that's fair. In fact, that's why there's a secondary index.

    But you don't know which page Google is going to choose as the indexed one and secondly, I was referring to the backlinks within the content...not the content itself.

    How can you know that a backlink from GoArticles is any less effective for SEO than a backlink from EZA, or Digg, or HubPages or any other web page using the same article? If you say you know, I'd have to say you were guessing...which is what my whole problem is in the first place.

    Oh God I feel a rant coming...

    I sit down and study the search engines for HOURS every day. It's my job...it's what I do for a living. If you could come sit next to me for just a few minutes, I could show you some theories and ideas that would blow your mind! (Don't worry, no WSO coming)

    Whenever I make a statement concerning article marketing or SEO or affiliate marketing or the search engines, it comes from a massive amount of raw data and actual research, study and testing.

    Then when someone makes a statement that could harm someone else's business based on a guess or an obvious hijacking of the thread to sell their own stuff, or those who just talk crap in circles to hear themselves, well...it gets to me. I hate it because I am actually doing the footwork.

    Common sense is far from the norm when it comes to Google - and when it comes to their rankings. Sure there are some proven factors that help you in the SERPS, but again, most of what people are saying here about the search engines is nothing but an assuption based on coincidental evidence or something that they "proved" by doing it with one or two web pages...and then taking it to the extreme while others listen, do and eventual fail.

    This is not directed to an individual. It's directed to those who think it is directed at them!

    I don't want to sound like some bully, know-it-all goober. But I do want people to know that not everyone is here with "helping others" on their to do list.

    OK, I'll shut up now and dang do I feel better, thanks for listening.

    I have to quit this thread now before I get in trouble.

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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

    If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

    I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Michael Motley
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

      If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

      I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?
      This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

      Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

      People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.
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      • Profile picture of the author Talinn
        Originally Posted by Michael Motley View Post

        This is the point i'm trying to make. Google will not mark it as duplicate content. Google doesnt care if its duplicate content unless you post it on your own site.

        Ezine articles will care if that content is on another website, that isn't yours, or if its in their own database already.

        People think that google gives some kind of weight to 'duplicate content' on various sites and thats not true. Their webmaster blog states that the reason people get a 'google slap' due to duplicate content is when they post it to their own website because then you have the same article, indexed to the same site, but with a different address.
        I am not talking about being slapped by Google at all. I am merely saying that the bonus you will be getting from duplicate content is not the same as what you would get from unique content. I'm not saying duplicate content results in you getting slapped etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Akogo
    People believe you should put it up on EzineArticles.com first because it may rank better in Google.com especially if targeting competitive keyword phrases. Then you promote your EZA article link. If your site is new or doesn't rank as well, that's what I would do.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Akogo View Post

      People believe you should put it up on EzineArticles.com first because it may rank better in Google.com especially if targeting competitive keyword phrases. Then you promote your EZA article link. If your site is new or doesn't rank as well, that's what I would do.
      This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Talinn
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        This is not true... People may "THINK" eza can get them ranked better but fact is that is not true because it is very easy to outrank a EZA article. It does not matter if your site is new or not.. If it is new then build it up before giving your content away to a article directory that slaps google ads all over your articles.

        James
        Outranking EZA articles is not that easy especially for newer websites. That put aside (I'm not a SEO expert so maybe it is easy to outrank an EZA article), I do agree with the fact that for longer term results you will want to put it on your site first, so that YOU get credited for the unique content, not EZA.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

          Outranking EZA articles is not that easy especially for newer websites. That put aside (I'm not a SEO expert so maybe it is easy to outrank an EZA article), I do agree with the fact that for longer term results you will want to put it on your site first, so that YOU get credited for the unique content, not EZA.
          The term "SEO Expert" is overused anyways.. I am not an SEO Expert either.. Fact is I can outrank any EZA article any day of the week. Many of my authors already know this and enjoy the benefits.

          The only thing that makes EZA an authority site is people that think just what you do.. Without those authors EZA is nothing. Instead of building some other site into an authority site you should try buidling your site into an authority site.

          James
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Originally Posted by Talinn
    Well, if you put your article first on your site and as EZA is going to take at least 2 days to approve your article; Google will certainly have indexed your site by then and will mark your EZA article as duplicate content.

    If the articles were submitted to the other sites you mentioned at the same time, I don't know what the result would be. But if they were submitted to your own site first, they would all be duplicate content.

    I don't know how for example GoA compares to EZA in terms of backlinking, to be honest. But I can guess that the value of the backlink is very dependant on what Google thinks of that particular page. If Google ranks that page low (due to any reason, duplicate content might be one) the backlinks from that page will be of lower quality. I don't think you're saying every backlink is worth the same to Google, right?

    You did not even read this entire thread did you ???

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    Reading is overrated.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      Reading is overrated.
      Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Talinn
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Reading is how we learn and if you would have taken the time to read the post on the thread you would not be posting bad advice and just guessing at things...

        James
        Can you please point me to the part in this thread where it says "backlinks from duplicate content are as valuable as backlinks from unique content" and "duplicate content can rank as high as unique content", with some sort of proof?

        My point was, and I don't accept that it is "bad advice", if you want to post your article on EZA you might have two reasons for this - backlinks and CTR's from your high SERP EZA article. If you do it after you put it on your site, your EZA article's SERP won't be as high, and the backlinks you get from it won't be as valuable. I don't think this has been discussed before, and it's more than just "guessing things", it actually makes sense.

        I'm not suggesting you should put everything you got on EZA first. I am only suggesting that the benefit you get from EZA will be lower if you don't put it on EZA first. I'm not talking about the benefits of putting your unique content to your site first at all.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

          Can you please point me to the part in this thread where it says "backlinks from duplicate content are as valuable as backlinks from unique content" and "duplicate content can rank as high as unique content", with some sort of proof?
          You are posting something as fact which is not fact that is the problem...

          but the SEO value of that duplicate content you send to EZA is going to be very low and it's going to have hard time ranking among other similar articles, and the backlink juice it will give to your site will be minimal
          1. This is not fact
          2. You are posting it as fact

          Please refrain from giving that kind of bad advice unless you do have proof.. I can certainly backup everything I say with proof and I have done so on many threads.

          James
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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    I just don't believe I really need proof to say that Google puts less value on duplicate content than unique content.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      I just don't believe I really need proof to say that Google puts less value on duplicate content than unique content.
      If you are going to continue to post it as fact then you certainly better have proof ...

      If it is just your "opinion" then state it is just your opinion.

      Fact is duplicate content is a myth, it does not exist, this has already been proven on this very forum time and time again. Yes there are benefits to spinning an article and changing it from your site to other sites but to proclaim duplicate content exist and then state things as fact that are not facts, simple is not right... This is wrong and it could very well destroy another newbies business because they listen to bad advice.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    Alright, I am sorry for putting it as a fact. I still don't believe duplicate content gets as many points from Google as unique content, but I have no proof of this. I am sorry.
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  • Profile picture of the author Talinn
    By this sentence you formed, I get the impression that you have not fully grasped what I am talking about:

    "If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site)"

    I am disappointed by this, actually. What I am suggesting is so entirely different from what you are claiming I am suggesting. So let me be as open as I can, now. Let's say we have an article. There is a value Google will see in that article in terms of a certain keyword search, so let's say the article is targeted for the keyword "how to build muscle fast", then Google, as I'm sure you know, puts a value on that article for that keyword depending on some facts; main keyword density, number of LSI's used, etc. Let's say Google put a value of "100" for the keyword "how to build muscle fast" to our article.

    Of course the rank of the article in the keyword search for Google doesn't all depend on the article itself, it depends on the site it is put on as well. The site (the page your article is broadcast from) and the article decide on what rank it will be in that keyword search.

    NOW, what I am suggesting:

    Our "100" point article will get that 100 points only for the first site it has been posted on. The sites after that will be marked as duplicate content, and not be worth 100 points any more. But the initial place you put it on retains the original value, obviously. This is where you are getting me wrong. I am not claiming because you have put it in more than one site your main site will be PENALIZED. I am only claiming that after the first site, the places you put the article on won't be valued by Google as much as they would have been if they were the first site which hosts that article.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Talinn View Post

      By this sentence you formed, I get the impression that you have not fully grasped what I am talking about:

      "If you are suggesting that google has some sort of magic wand that can effectively decide a good article is not WORTH as much (because it has been placed on more than one site)"

      I am disappointed by this, actually. What I am suggesting is so entirely different from what you are claiming I am suggesting. So let me be as open as I can, now. Let's say we have an article. There is a value Google will see in that article in terms of a certain keyword search, so let's say the article is targeted for the keyword "how to build muscle fast", then Google, as I'm sure you know, puts a value on that article for that keyword depending on some facts; main keyword density, number of LSI's used, etc. Let's say Google put a value of "100" for the keyword "how to build muscle fast" to our article.

      Of course the rank of the article in the keyword search for Google doesn't all depend on the article itself, it depends on the site it is put on as well. The site (the page your article is broadcast from) and the article decide on what rank it will be in that keyword search.

      NOW, what I am suggesting:

      Our "100" point article will get that 100 points only for the first site it has been posted on. The sites after that will be marked as duplicate content, and not be worth 100 points any more. But the initial place you put it on retains the original value, obviously. This is where you are getting me wrong. I am not claiming because you have put it in more than one site your main site will be PENALIZED. I am only claiming that after the first site, the places you put the article on won't be valued by Google as much as they would have been if they were the first site which hosts that article.
      So what you are assuming to be fact is this...

      I take an article post it on my site, then I post it on 100 article directories without changing anything.

      Google as you say will see mine as original and list it and the rest as duplicate and not list them or give them much lower listings.

      If this is what you are posting as fact you are still wrong and posting it is fact is not right.. Thi has been pointed out several times. What is fact is this..

      I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

      1. My Site
      2. EZA
      3. GoArticles
      4. ArticleDashboard
      5. ArticlesBase
      6. ArticleSnatch
      7. iSnare
      8. IdeaMarketers
      9. ArticleFactory
      10. ArticleCube

      All with my same exact article... So if you are saying "duplicate content" (which does not exist as such as you explained it) does not rank then what you are stating as fact is wrong..

      I know many that have done the above including me.. I have done it and will continue to do it..

      I would also like to point out that if this is what you are trying to state as fact then that would mean publishers would not be so eager to republish your articles on their blogs.. Which I know is wrong because my articles are re-published on 1,000's of blogs that I do not own.

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author theteach
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        So what you are assuming to be fact is this...



        I can take an article and post it on my site and then take the exact same article and post it on 100 other article directories and I can dominate the entire front page of google.

        1. My Site
        2. EZA
        3. GoArticles
        4. ArticleDashboard
        5. ArticlesBase
        6. ArticleSnatch
        7. iSnare
        8. IdeaMarketers
        9. ArticleFactory
        10. ArticleCube



        James
        James, can anyone do this if they use keywords effectively?
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by theteach View Post

          James, can anyone do this if they use keywords effectively?
          Ofcourse anyone can do it but understand it is not just posting your article to a directory and just using proper keywords... First you post that article to your site and make sure it is seo'ed, pump some juice to your site and that article (bookmarks, rss feeds, twitter, facebook, digg, clipmarks, and etc).

          When you have the juice going then feel free to post it to a hundred article directories if you wish. It is your choice if you choose to spin that article or not. It is not required to spin it. If you do spin it you will reap a few more benefits such as more publishers will pick it up as it is not that same content.

          In anycase once you have it posted on those article directories then do the same thing as you did on your site, pump some juice to the articles.

          Ofcourse this goes into a great deal more indepth details but you should get the general idea...

          James
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        • Profile picture of the author truepers
          Thanks for sharing that, Don.

          Maybe the answers to the following questions are obvious to others, but not to me.

          When you submit your article (which you first published on your web site) to EZA, do you provide the link in the resource box directly back to the same web page/article on your site? Or do you direct the reader to a different page/article?

          I would imagine the latter (why would you take your reader to the exact same article?), but maybe there is a hidden logic that eludes me.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Simple answer link it to the related page or a opt-in form... If you article is about dog collars then link it to the place where they can get more info about dog collars and how or where to purchase those dog collars (this is where affiliate marketing plays a role).

            James


            Originally Posted by truepers View Post

            Thanks for sharing that, Don.

            Maybe the answers to the following questions are obvious to others, but not to me.

            When you submit your article (which you first published on your web site) to EZA, do you provide the link in the resource box directly back to the same web page/article on your site? Or do you direct the reader to a different page/article?

            I would imagine the latter (why would you take your reader to the exact same article?), but maybe there is a hidden logic that eludes me.
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          • Profile picture of the author theteach
            James, thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

            I hear what you're saying (in fact, I thoroughly read your entries in this thread) and it sounds reasonable.

            I somehow feel comfortable with the concept of building myself up as the expert (that's how I truly view myself in my field) and not another site (e.g. Ezines).

            Can I go about this by just posting on my site?

            You can PM me if you can help in any other way.
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            • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
              Originally Posted by theteach View Post

              James, thanks for the advice, much appreciated.

              I hear what you're saying (in fact, I thoroughly read your entries in this thread) and it sounds reasonable.

              I somehow feel comfortable with the concept of building myself up as the expert (that's how I truly view myself in my field) and not another site (e.g. Ezines).

              Can I go about this by just posting on my site?

              You can PM me if you can help in any other way.
              Can you build your site as an authority site, Yes ... But just keep in mind that it does require a great deal of work and backlinks. Those backlinks need to be not done by only by you alone but by others also on related sites.

              For example someone has a question on Yahoo Answers you want your site to be the first one that comes to someones mind when they are going to answer that question.

              You see authority sites are not created on their own but they are created by a great deal of work and a great deal of popularity. So if you are building backlinks and you have 20,000 people that just love your site, product, and etc and you are the first one they talk about when a specific question comes up then you are sure to have yourself a winner.

              With that said also understand that an authority site can be easily outranked on google. In all honesty anyone can be outranked, even the big boys.. It may take longer or a great deal more work but the bottom line is anyone can be outranked. This is why you continue to build backlinks ayway and anyplace you can (as long as it is legit)...

              An Authority site can also come down a great deal faster than it went up, so bear that in mind also.... Nothing is set in stone.

              James
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    I know what you're saying - and I think you're wrong. Completely and totally grasping at straws, dude.

    And I think you still don't get it.

    Oops - I said I was done with this thread....sorry.

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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Hey Adrian,

    I was greatly intrigued by your post as well.

    Do you work for Google or do you just have secret access to their algorithm?

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  • Profile picture of the author lilgrace
    Allen, Jay and James

    I have been following this thread as I too had the same question as the OP.

    THANK YOU for clearing this up for me! You three make the most sense on this entire thread and I will be posting on my SITE first all the time!!

    Glad you all replied to this thread!!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by coshirly View Post

      I think that putting your article on EZA first is a better idea simply because the reader gets what they are looking for instantly and is more likely to retun if they like your work. Personal sites are usually less professionaland not as easy to navigate and therefore should be the latter option.
      Say What ?? Please do more reading before you try to run a business... Oh especially read the forum rules that say "affiliate links" are not allowed to be posted in your sig..

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author patlondon
    Better idea to post article on your site first. And then point a few links to it by bookmarking that post with clipmarks- especially fast...or a few of your other favorites. social poster.com will help there if you've never tried it..

    Why..? You want the credit for having posted that content and if you go and give that original to ezinearticle then whoever grabs that article first will be seen as originator.

    Then link to that article url in your resource box with the proper anchor text...along with link to your index page so you have deep links and home page links.

    Now you're getting deep links into site with your long tail keywords ( blue widgets are cool)...plus links to home page with your main big keyword ( widget universe).
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  • Profile picture of the author patlondon
    I wish people would read more duplicate content from big Kahuna Seth. It's referring to duplicate content on your own site. Not syndicated content like 100 people using the same article or news story. What the penalty addresses is where people have 2 exact same articles, like one for printer and one in content area...and then others where only the keywords are changed. "Red cars"..."blue cars". Rest of content is same. That's duplicate content.. And it stands to reason that you have nothing to worry about as long as you're not doing the last example there.
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    • Profile picture of the author SOT
      25. Because I am still waiting for 1 logical reason why you should post to EZA first.

      James

      Thanks James - I really appreciate your comments! Just one thought re the above -
      How about when you are just starting out, EZA will get traffic to your site, whereas no-one will see your stuff on your blog until it is established? So post to EZA first when you are starting out and have no traffic, then switch? Surely there is room for a tactic change AFTER your site is established and you are driving serious traffic to it?

      Regards

      Susan
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      • Profile picture of the author mentor4u
        Hello Susan
        OK from my example i have been using is i put the article
        on my site. I use Word Press now on almost all. I ping it
        do a couple of things than submit to eza..we are only talking a
        day or two between the two..Unless i am golfing too much.

        So we are not talking weeks or months..I guess you could put it on
        your site today and submit because eza is running behind right now
        so for most it would take a week to come out. so your site has a one week
        head start.

        Don

        Originally Posted by SOT View Post

        Thanks James - I really appreciate your comments! Just one thought re the above -
        How about when you are just starting out, EZA will get traffic to your site, whereas no-one will see your stuff on your blog until it is established? So post to EZA first when you are starting out and have no traffic, then switch? Surely there is room for a tactic change AFTER your site is established and you are driving serious traffic to it?

        Regards

        Susan
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by SOT View Post

        Thanks James - I really appreciate your comments! Just one thought re the above -
        How about when you are just starting out, EZA will get traffic to your site, whereas no-one will see your stuff on your blog until it is established? So post to EZA first when you are starting out and have no traffic, then switch? Surely there is room for a tactic change AFTER your site is established and you are driving serious traffic to it?

        Regards

        Susan
        Hi Susan,
        This is why you build you site up by backlinks...

        For example I just started this great blog now I need traffic so before I go gove my great content away for free to some over glorified article directory I think I will try the following...

        - Bookmark my new blog:
        All News, Videos, & Images
        Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web?
        Home | Propeller
        Faves: Sites you'll love, from people like you
        Mister Wong | Social Bookmarking Tool (twitter function built in)

        * Those above will get you indexed in google with no
        problem, digg and clipmarks can have you
        indexed in 10 minutes.

        - Create a 3 new articles similar to my blog content and turn them into PDF with links to my blog and upload it:
        Scribd

        * fully fill out the profile and since I posted 3
        documents there is also an auto poster for twitter
        and facebook - so I will tweet and post to facebook.


        - Locate my Rss Feeds on the bookmarking sites and scribd and post them to Rss Directories:
        RSS Submissions

        * many resources on that site above that can help.

        This would be a good start to get your content indexed before you even submit to any directory and notice since you said just starting out, none of this cost any money, its free advrtising. Combine the above with the plan I posted a few post back and you will have yourself a winner...

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author mentor4u
          See everyone
          do here what james says.
          you can even start with a new blog today
          and in 3 weeks you will have articles etc
          probably on the number one page in google
          and your site will be listed and moving up the ladder

          Google and the other search love squidoo, hub pages, paint
          Scribd. just type the name of your site and or articles
          and see what they are listing on the first page.
          So if you work hard you can do this in one day
          and see immediate results. The first time is the hardest
          setting up the accounts but after that much faster.
          Don

          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          Hi Susan,
          This is why you build you site up by backlinks...

          For example I just started this great blog now I need traffic so before I go gove my great content away for free to some over glorified article directory I think I will try the following...

          - Bookmark my new blog:
          All News, Videos, & Images
          Clipmarks - What are you finding on the web?
          Home | Propeller
          Faves: Sites you'll love, from people like you
          Mister Wong | Social Bookmarking Tool (twitter function built in)

          * Those above will get you indexed in google with no
          problem, digg and clipmarks can have you
          indexed in 10 minutes.

          - Create a 3 new articles similar to my blog content and turn them into PDF with links to my blog and upload it:
          Scribd

          * fully fill out the profile and since I posted 3
          documents there is also an auto poster for twitter
          and facebook - so I will tweet and post to facebook.


          - Locate my Rss Feeds on the bookmarking sites and scribd and post them to Rss Directories:
          RSS Submissions

          * many resources on that site above that can help.

          This would be a good start to get your content indexed before you even submit to any directory and notice since you said just starting out, none of this cost any money, its free advrtising. Combine the above with the plan I posted a few post back and you will have yourself a winner...

          James
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            Originally Posted by mentor4u View Post

            See everyone
            do here what james says.
            you can even start with a new blog today
            and in 3 weeks you will have articles etc
            probably on the number one page in google
            and your site will be listed and moving up the ladder

            Google and the other search love squidoo, hub pages, paint
            Scribd. just type the name of your site and or articles
            and see what they are listing on the first page.
            So if you work hard you can do this in one day
            and see immediate results. The first time is the hardest
            setting up the accounts but after that much faster.
            Don
            Yep I agree there is no excuse, everything is laid out for anyone that wants to start making money online... Just follow the post in this thread to get started.

            Remember reading and research is ok but if that is all you do and never take action then you will never make any money...

            James
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  • Profile picture of the author terryd
    What a fantastic thread with some fantastic contributions!

    Got to love the "know all newbies" who know it all but just don't have facts to back it up, I can just imagine some of the warriors screaming at their monitors or banging their keyboards listening to some of the bad advice that is being given.

    From today I will be submitting or adding content to MY site first before submitting it to EZA and then the other directories.

    205 Articles I've written basically for EZA amounting to 56 000 clicks to my sites, that's a fair amount of unique content I've given to EZA and a fair amount of content that I could have used on my sites.

    Now I know better thanks to some of you who are out there doing the groundwork!
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by terryd View Post

      What a fantastic thread with some fantastic contributions!

      Got to love the "know all newbies" who know it all but just don't have facts to back it up, I can just imagine some of the warriors screaming at their monitors or banging their keyboards listening to some of the bad advice that is being given.

      From today I will be submitting or adding content to MY site first before submitting it to EZA and then the other directories.

      205 Articles I've written basically for EZA amounting to 56 000 clicks to my sites, that's a fair amount of unique content I've given to EZA and a fair amount of content that I could have used on my sites.

      Now I know better thanks to some of you who are out there doing the groundwork!
      Hi Terry,
      Great to see someone is going to take action... Wish you all the best with your websites.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author supermom_in_ny
    Wow. Great info. Funny how I just found this link. I've been blogging for 4 years. I was earning more than I had earned at my fulltime job, then the Google slap came along.. Because of this, I went into another direction. However, I still have tons of blogs, sites and Squidoo lenses just sitting there. So, I decided to put them to use. I get a Google payout every couple of months and a couple of sales here and there, but nothing compared to a few years ago.

    Today I submitted my first article to ezinearticles. I opened an account with them years ago, but never got around to submitting anything. I finally decided to take the plunge. I wrote two original articles for EZA. The site I linked in my author resource box has the shares the keyword in the domain. Now I have to wait.

    Why now? I'm conducting a little experiment. I want to see if the stats I saw in an ebook I read this weekend can be duplicated if I follow the steps they described.

    Would anyone care to share the results they achieved with article marketing?
    It would be greatly appreciated.

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  • Profile picture of the author RanD
    A lot of great info in this thread.

    James,

    I have a question for you. You said that you create a blog on the same domain as your web page, and that you and that you create links pointing back to your website/articles. I was wondering, do you create links going back the other way, from the website back to the blog? Maybe the better question, is it necessary to create links back to the blog?

    Thanks
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    RanD There is no need to create links back to the blog, the entire idea is to use that blog to help push your main site. This gives you more leverage when it comes to being indexed at a higher rank - Remember it is the main site you want visitors to see..

    With that said though do not sell yourself short, the blog should also be highly seo'ed with plugins such as all-in-one-seo and etc. Your summaries should have tags and proper keyword titles and proper categories using keywords.

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author RanD
    It makes sense that the blog should be optimized as much as possible, not only for good ranking, but because that may very well be the first page a visitor lands on your site.

    My concern was trying to maintain the illusion of continuity if the user was bouncing back and forth between the blog and the website. I'm glad that the answer was no.

    Thanks for the advice.
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  • Profile picture of the author newbyr
    Post to ezinearticles first so you can get it accepted, then upon notification put the one on your webpage.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by newbyr View Post

      Post to ezinearticles first so you can get it accepted, then upon notification put the one on your webpage.
      Let me guess you did not bother to read the thread... :rolleyes:

      This is what EZA wants you to do because as long as they make people think this way they will continue to take advantage of your unique high quality content. As long as you continue to do this you will also allow your competition to outrank you and make more sales than you...

      James
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      • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
        Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

        Let me guess you did not bother to read the thread... :rolleyes:

        This is what EZA wants you to do because as long as they make people think this way they will continue to take advantage of your unique high quality content. As long as you continue to do this you will also allow your competition to outrank you and make more sales than you...

        James
        It also cracks me up that for a site that is supposed to be about helping your content spread, they limit republication to 25 articles per site on only up to 10 domains per publisher.

        So that means if someone is actually GOOD at re-using that content, Ezine actually disallows them from working at full effectiveness. Why is that? Because it would cut into all the ad revenue they get from the articles being on THEIR site.

        That always bugged me that their own TOS basically goes against their stated purpose. But it makes total sense if you, like James, understand what their game really is.
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        • Profile picture of the author jaypick
          Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

          It also cracks me up that for a site that is supposed to be about helping your content spread, they limit republication to 25 articles per site on only up to 10 domains per publisher.

          So that means if someone is actually GOOD at re-using that content, Ezine actually disallows them from working at full effectiveness. Why is that? Because it would cut into all the ad revenue they get from the articles being on THEIR site.

          That always bugged me that their own TOS basically goes against their stated purpose. But it makes total sense if you, like James, understand what their game really is.

          I agree, I personally would rather post to Hubpages and Squidoo instead of having all the bogus rules and waiting seven days to get approved.
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        • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
          Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

          It also cracks me up that for a site that is supposed to be about helping your content spread, they limit republication to 25 articles per site on only up to 10 domains per publisher.

          So that means if someone is actually GOOD at re-using that content, Ezine actually disallows them from working at full effectiveness. Why is that? Because it would cut into all the ad revenue they get from the articles being on THEIR site.

          That always bugged me that their own TOS basically goes against their stated purpose. But it makes total sense if you, like James, understand what their game really is.
          Yep you got it Keith... They do not want the competition in the search engines, but this is why you train people to submit the article to their own website/blog first and then advertise that article, bookmark it, build backlinks outside of article directories, and then after which give it to EZA if you feel you must but I hate to say it there are way much better places besides EZA...

          I have said it once and I will say it again, your authors should be treated like gold because they are the ones giving you all that wonderful "free" content.

          James
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  • Profile picture of the author jaypick
    I personally wouldn't put the same content on both at the same time. Someone could read your article, then click the link to your website in the sig area and see the exact same thing they just read.
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  • Profile picture of the author thewizard
    Lots of infos here. Thanks guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author Hafsoh
    EZA's TOS says "original" content! its hard to keep up with them. I've always submitted to EZA first and added them to my site after they got approved and published. Once they publish it, it's a free-for-all, they don't care what you do with it.
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    • Profile picture of the author mystarter
      Great thread!

      In addition to above discussion, do we need to bookmark each page of our site?

      Maybe this is new to me because currently i'm only bookmarking the homepage (mostly) and expecting social sites and google bot will find all pages via sitemap that i have on my site.

      Can somebody comment on this?

      RichJerkNet, i love your post and hope u'll write simple ebook on that

      Cheers..
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Originally Posted by mystarter
    Great thread!

    In addition to above discussion, do we need to bookmark each page of our site?

    Maybe this is new to me because currently i'm only bookmarking the homepage (mostly) and expecting social sites and google bot will find all pages via sitemap that i have on my site.

    Can somebody comment on this?

    RichJerkNet, i love your post and hope u'll write simple ebook on that

    Cheers..
    I have written several ebooks ..lol As for bookmarking you should bookmark the inner pages of your site also and not just the main domain. Bookmarking your inner pages is one wayto let the search engines know of other pages. Remember not all search engines are the same, no all follow a robots.txt, not all will index links on a site map, as such you must do what you can to let those search engines know of your pages.

    Keep in mind there are many more search engines besides google and do not listen to those that claim the Big G has 85% of the search market because this is also another myth. There are many niche specific search engines out there that have a very high volume of traffic and searching internet users. I have an ad on some of these other search engines and in 4 days the ad views is at 21,786 (the clicks I will not release but know that the clicks I am very happy with).

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author macD231
    EZA will be the better one as you know the purpose of your article will be served when more people will read them so EZA will be good at it. You can give a backlink to your site in the article so both purpose are served.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by macD231 View Post

      EZA will be the better one as you know the purpose of your article will be served when more people will read them so EZA will be good at it. You can give a backlink to your site in the article so both purpose are served.
      I would assume you did not bother to read the thread either..

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author jacksonlin
    This is easy!

    Put the article on your site and just reword it before you submit to ezine!
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  • Profile picture of the author slashman
    My opinion and the opinion of people who understand that if the same article is on both eza and your new site, the article on eza will outrank you all the time... pretty much... Why are you adding articles? Is it to just increase content or attract traffic. Each page of your site should be it's own key word phrase. If you build links to each of these articles on your site and even have the eza article pointing to your site then you should place the article on your site first. I'm pretty sure the search engine knows which came first. I did a test and the first page I posted ended up being on top in search engines with dup content.

    Thanks,

    George
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  • Profile picture of the author GeorgR.
    what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

    Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

      Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?
      I used to wait for EZA yes, but lately I've been impatient and just gone ahead and submitted full bore all at once - mostly just to see if there would be some sort of repercussion. It hasn't made a lick of a difference.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by GeorgR. View Post

      what if you dont put the articles on a site, but only on EZA and other directories?

      Do you wait for EZA to approve the article..and then submit a copy to all others?
      GeorgR - You do not have to wait for EZA to approve nothing, this is your content not theirs. You are providing then "free of charge" content that could be worth hundreds if not thousands. Yeah that's right... You are providing them content worth a great deal of money and the more your advertise that content on their site the more value it holds.

      You may wonder why, well the truth is they have google ads plastered all over the place... They have other products and services that they are in a position to sell those visitors that you send to your articles. So you see your content is worth a great deal which is all the more reason to post it on your site first and just use EZA for the backlinks if you must use them at all.

      Again though you do not have to wait for anything to be approved.. You can very well submit it to hundreds of article directories and it will still be approved by EZA. I should know as I have done just that when I did wastemy time submitting to EZA (I have not submitted a article to them in months now).

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

    We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

    It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

    Peace

    Jay

    p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

      We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

      It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

      Peace

      Jay

      p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...
      Hi Jay,
      Thanks ... It really does get old repeating yourself over and over... I seriously wish those self proclaimed gurus would stop selling those bad advice ebooks just to make a few dollars.

      Then some wonder why IM has a bad rap ... Well if the truth of that does not slap you in the face by reading this thread alone then you seriously need to re-think your business and just go spend your time playing online games because a business is not what you need..

      Sorry to be so blunt to some people but sometimes being blunt is what it takes to get through to someone...

      James
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by JayXtreme View Post

      I would just like to applaud James and Keith in this thread..

      We covered the facts VERY early in the thread and countless others have jumped in after with mis-information and BS...I applaud you both for having the energy and resolve to continue repeating yourself like I didn't have the strength to.

      It becomes headache-worthy stuff..lol..

      Peace

      Jay

      p.s. From now on, I'm just simply going to point people to my stock answer for this question, which was posted on page one of the thread here: Care To Get Some Good Info On The Subject?...
      I give all credit to James. I gave up a long time ago. For anyone reading this - the next time you think you can give advice about something to newbies here, think about where it comes from. Are you parroting what you've read? Or have you actually TRIED it? If you HAVE only read it, please PLEASE cite your source, and state that you're just repeating what you've heard.

      Otherwise, James is going to make you look like a retard in front of everyone.
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      • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
        Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

        I give all credit to James. I gave up a long time ago. For anyone reading this - the next time you think you can give advice about something to newbies here, think about where it comes from. Are you parroting what you've read? Or have you actually TRIED it? If you HAVE only read it, please PLEASE cite your source, and state that you're just repeating what you've heard.

        Otherwise, James is going to make you look like a retard in front of everyone.
        Thanks Keith...lol It's just that it is so hard to get people to understand "STOP FOLLOWING" and actually go out there and do it. Who cares what Joe Blow Marketer said or did, good for him - Does not mean you will have the same results as him.

        Yes many have been conditioned to think you need to follow this guru or that self proclaimed expert. Well, get that thinking out of your head because most of the time this is why you fail. People preach on the fact that people fail due to not taking action. This is only half the truth, the other half is they follow the blind that loves leading the blind because that is how those self proclaimed experts make their living. STOP FILLING THEIR POCKETS WITH YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY!

        There are several plans in this thread that all work and have been proven, nobody is making money off you with this priceless information. It has been given to you as a gift.. Now it is upto you to use it and become something or continue to follow those self proclaimed experts and wine and cry when you fail..

        If anyone has followed my post you know that I normally am not this blunt but there must be some way to get it through to people. You are the only one that holds your future, do you take that leap of faith on proven methods or jump down the pits of hell based on some "top marketer" that just claims this or that ....

        The choice is yours..

        James
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        • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
          Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

          ...This is only half the truth, the other half is they follow the blind that loves leading the blind because that is how those self proclaimed experts make their living...
          Your whole post was dead on once again, but I wanted to point out this bit of yours. That blind guy who loves to be the leader is the most dangerous kind of denizen of this forum. They may not know SQUAT about really making money, but anyone of relatively limited skill can learn enough from this forum to APE the info-product side of marketing.

          ANY of the posters here who posted blatantly and provably INCORRECT information could just have easily have made a WSO about it, and be selling it. And not even feel BAD about it. They might not even have enough brains to think about whether what they are repeating could even possibly be false. They may have enough brains but lack enough soul to give a crap as long as you're willing to buy.

          Not pointing out anyone specifically here, but this is just a theoretical thought exercise - before you leap to follow someone, really consider the source of the info. A good shortcut to smelling quality is the degree of detail included. For example when James and I state something, it's followed by example and evidence.

          Just keep that in mind. It's a jungle out there and not every monkey is going to be able to dodge the tigers on the ground. Wise up, use your head and CLIMB above all that monkey-see, monkey-do mentality.

          It's made ALL the difference in my life and business.
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          • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
            So true Keith that is it really scary -

            We should do a JV dude...lol

            James

            Originally Posted by Keith Kogane View Post

            Your whole post was dead on once again, but I wanted to point out this bit of yours. That blind guy who loves to be the leader is the most dangerous kind of denizen of this forum. They may not know SQUAT about really making money, but anyone of relatively limited skill can learn enough from this forum to APE the info-product side of marketing.

            ANY of the posters here who posted blatantly and provably INCORRECT information could just have easily have made a WSO about it, and be selling it. And not even feel BAD about it. They might not even have enough brains to think about whether what they are repeating could even possibly be false. They may have enough brains but lack enough soul to give a crap as long as you're willing to buy.

            Not pointing out anyone specifically here, but this is just a theoretical thought exercise - before you leap to follow someone, really consider the source of the info. A good shortcut to smelling quality is the degree of detail included. For example when James and I state something, it's followed by example and evidence.

            Just keep that in mind. It's a jungle out there and not every monkey is going to be able to dodge the tigers on the ground. Wise up, use your head and CLIMB above all that monkey-see, monkey-do mentality.

            It's made ALL the difference in my life and business.
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  • Profile picture of the author over59
    excellent thread-I did not see this question answered:in the discussion thread of posting a previously unpublished article to article directories first or to you own web site first. Majority opinion was website first.

    I have been publishing to article sites first and bookmarking that article on that site.

    Now that I will be posting the article on my blog first, should I bookmark the article on my site or bookmark it when I post it on an article site?
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    • Profile picture of the author truepers
      By all means, send your best original articles to EZA first.

      Then maybe post to your own site, but be sure to rewrite the article so as not to offend the article directories or Google with duplicate content. Remember, you want your best stuff on someone else's site, second or even third best on your own (depending on how many directories you submit to - be sure to rewrite each one!). Wait for EZA to approve your original article before you post your rewrite on your own site.

      Just kidding.

      I've been following this thread for a couple of weeks. Really funny stuff. James, in particular, has demonstrated remarkable resilience in rising up time and again to defend the cause.

      His well thought out, detailed explanations are often countered by short authoritative bursts along the lines of: Submit to EZA First!

      Often that's all we get. Like a slap to the head. If these bold commands offer no explanation, they are at least somewhat amusing (to some if not all).

      Hmmm. Wonder what percentage of warriors read a thread from beginning to end before posting their comments?
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by over59 View Post

      excellent thread-I did not see this question answered:in the discussion thread of posting a previously unpublished article to article directories first or to you own web site first. Majority opinion was website first.

      I have been publishing to article sites first and bookmarking that article on that site.

      Now that I will be posting the article on my blog first, should I bookmark the article on my site or bookmark it when I post it on an article site?
      Technically you should do both but please pay close attention to this point. As I stated above about the google ads and other services that EZA and many many other article directories have (not all have ads but the majority do).

      DO NOT - Build all your backlinks to that article on the article directory. It is fine to bookmark it and it is fine to cross link your articles with each other. Just DO NOT build all your links to that article, the majority should be built to your site.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Allen can I please request this thread be made a sticky ????

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Allen can I please request this thread be made a sticky ????

      James
      I can second this. Since the topic is constantly being rehashed, this thread would be worthy of a sticky. Allen, what say you?
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  • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
    You know, with all these kudos going around, I think I deserve at least an honorable mention.

    :p
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Your right Peter, you do .. so I gave you yet another thanks...

    James
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by TheRichJerksNet View Post

      Your right Peter, you do .. so I gave you yet another thanks...

      James
      lol!! You da man. *walks away, wiping tears and feeling slightly better* :p
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    I read from page 1 to page 4.

    Here's my opinion: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOTHING BUT BULL.S.H.I.T

    Let's look at the logic here, IF there's such thing as DUPLICATE CONTENT, then I would thank GOD that I finally able to rank high in the SE.

    What?

    Yeah, cause I can finally able to destroy all of my competitors on page 1 of the Google's SERP RIGHT NOW!

    How?

    I simply copy their content, put their website link at the resource box, and just distribute it to all article directories, web 2.0 properties, free ads, the list goes on...

    But it ain't gonna happen. Not in the million years.

    If there's such thing as DUPLICATE CONTENT, then why do Google keeps indexing the page which has the SAME CONTENT? Also, Google wouldn't allow such concept as other people sabotaging other people's business. Yeah, I could even destroy wikipedia if I would able to do that. As oppose, it will further gives the first SERP websites to rank even higher cause they're getting links for FREE.

    But the question is, we never know how much weight does the link carries!

    I would just follow the suggestion from James to maximize each article that I had wrote (or ghostwritten).

    Now, here's my question, do I need to tweak it to 35% difference from the original? this is important cause when we want to distribute it to web 2.0 properties, we cannot ping all the same content, am I right?
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    • Profile picture of the author Jon Alexander
      Originally Posted by mohd View Post

      Here's my opinion: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOTHING BUT BULL.S.H.I.T

      ... am I right?
      no.

      Try putting yourself in google's shoes.

      Imagine a user comes to you and searches for 'caring for my weasel'.

      Remember, you are Google. Would you rather show the user:-

      1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
      2. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsrus.com
      3. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on justweasels.com
      4. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsweasels.com
      5. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasel-weasels.com
      6. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on spamweasels.com
      7. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselspam.com
      8. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on myweasels.com
      9. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on yourweasels.com
      10. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels101.com

      or

      1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
      2. Weasel Care Tips on superweasle.com
      3. The care of your weasel on wikiweasel.com
      4. Looking after your weasel on theweaselsite.com
      5. Spice weasel maintenance on spiceweasel.com
      6. Weasel didn't care - Ramones on songs.com
      7. The weasel center - everything you need to care for your weasel on wzel.com
      8. Weasels - common problems on ezinearticles.com
      9. I don't care if you weasel out of it said Modummy on jefferyarcher.com
      10. Pop goes the weasel on nurseryrhymes.com

      I'm just curious, because people who claim (usually IN CAPITALS) that it's 'ok to create sites rammed with nothing but dupe content' either believe:-


      1. Search engines can't detect duplicates.
      2. Search engines, uniquely among the world's corporations, don't care about delivering a good user experience.

      So which one do you believe?
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      • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
        Originally Posted by Jon Alexander View Post

        no.

        Try putting yourself in google's shoes.

        Imagine a user comes to you and searches for 'caring for my weasel'.

        Remember, you are Google. Would you rather show the user:-

        1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
        2. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsrus.com
        3. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on justweasels.com
        4. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselsweasels.com
        5. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasel-weasels.com
        6. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on spamweasels.com
        7. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weaselspam.com
        8. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on myweasels.com
        9. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on yourweasels.com
        10. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels101.com

        or

        1. Caring for My Weasel By Mohdummy on weasels.com
        2. Weasel Care Tips on superweasle.com
        3. The care of your weasel on wikiweasel.com
        4. Looking after your weasel on theweaselsite.com
        5. Spice weasel maintenance on spiceweasel.com
        6. Weasel didn't care - Ramones on songs.com
        7. The weasel center - everything you need to care for your weasel on wzel.com
        8. Weasels - common problems on ezinearticles.com
        9. I don't care if you weasel out of it said Modummy on jefferyarcher.com
        10. Pop goes the weasel on nurseryrhymes.com

        I'm just curious, because people who claim (usually IN CAPITALS) that it's 'ok to create sites rammed with nothing but dupe content' either believe:-


        1. Search engines can't detect duplicates.
        2. Search engines, uniquely among the world's corporations, don't care about delivering a good user experience.

        So which one do you believe?
        No you're right that Google won't ever so serps like that, but you're assuming a couple of things that are not true.

        1. that the intent when republishing reprint articles would be to somehow dominate a single page of serps with multiple copies of the same article as you're showing here.

        2. that one would try to rank multiple copies of the same article for the same keyword in the first place

        Just because multiple very similar pages don't show up in the same single search on the first page doesn't mean that they're not indexed, and that they won't rank for other phrases, or that I can't beat the copy of the article that's ranking now through more backlink building.

        Google does want to provide the best experience possible, so I try to make my copy of articles I'm re-using be the best, and I do that by putting it together with similar articles, with good on-site SEO, and good backlinking.

        Am I dominating the serps? **** I don't know. I don't even look a lot of the time to see if I'm ranking where I wanted to - the fact is, traffic happens. Comments happen. Ad clicks happen. Sales happen. People are coming from somewhere, so I don't lose much sleep over not having original content of a certain percentage or not.

        Not saying "Me right You wrong!" Just saying that the internet's a big enough place for multiple strategies to be working simultaneously. The real important bit is to just DO something to get the ball rolling. Posting a reprint article to a blog has more chance of making you money than posting no article. Right?
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  • Profile picture of the author tommygadget
    I don't know if this has been covered here or not, but here goes: I think Keith mentioned using other people's content from article directories and re-publishing it. I have a bunch of accounts with different c-class IP addresses. Here's what I do: Find relevant articles that are very similar to yours and put them on your "article directory" blogs. Create 10 or 20 of these blogs on the different IP accounts. Link back to your "real" blogs with the properly anchored text links from the "article directory" blogs. That way, you get 10 to 20 links per article on your money blogs. You can also create subdomains and take this idea and run with it. Oh, and don't forget to promote your "article directory" blogs via RSS feed submission and other backlinking strategies already covered here. Hope that got a few of you thinking

    TomG.

    James + Keith, good stuff guys!
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  • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
    Originally Posted by sck4784 View Post

    First put article on EZA and then on other sites wherever you want.
    First read through a thread before posting within it.
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    @Jon Alexander:

    I think you misunderstood something. I'm speaking as if SYNDICATING the content. Distributing the content. Do you suggest on changing/varying the title of the original content without changing the body or what?

    And I believe DUPLICATE CONTENT= PLAGIARIZM which in my understanding, other people took someone's content, and change their resource box to their link.

    now, about ...am I right?
    That i'm asking a different question.

    I'm taking that dummy as a positive manner in which you mean make a dummy of (to create, to produce), not calling me ignorant.

    Mohd
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

    This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

    It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

    I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

    Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Keith Kogane
      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

      This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.
      A poor ranking for which?

      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.
      This is possibly the funniest thing I've read on this forum in a long time. Really? You really think this? Based on what? Where did you get this information? Because it's very, very wrong - I'm honestly curious where this kind of misinformation even starts. Google are now the lazy writer police? Just... wow.

      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

      Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.
      Skip the "change around" and "different" and this part is actually okay. But man, that part above is just crazy talk. For real.
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      DON'T EVER post your articles to both your website and article directories!

      This is a BIG mistake a lot of marketers make in their SEO and will result in a very poor search engine ranking in time.

      It signifies to Google (because they're picky!) that you're too lazy to write numerous different articles.

      I'd write 1 article, change it around three/four times and submit it to ezinearticles.com, goarticles.com and eHow.com/buzzle.

      Then, write 2-3 different articles per week and add them to your site. Use power words in your title and be sure to internal link all your pages.
      And in the never-ending cycle of redundancies, here we frikin go again.

      Cgallagher, you really need to read through this thread because what you are suggesting is tragically flawed logic that has been dis-proven time and time again by marketers throughout this thread, and this forum. Your opinion - being touted as facts- are reckless to new marketers reading this thread for advice.

      My rankings have never suffered one iota from syndicating my articles - as is - to many directories, and if you would take the time to read through this thread you will understand exactly why that is. My rankings have only ever increased from submitting my articles to many directories, as they provide me with much needed links.

      Out of my 19 sites/blogs, 15 are within the top 5 SERP, while the 4 other sites are brand new and on their way up. I have close to 1000 articles in EZA, all identical to articles that are in other directories, and exist as content on other sites that have copied my articles and used them for their own content. In a few cases within the first page of google, I am competing with myself.

      I'm certainly not suggesting that you discontinue your methodology, please, be my guest. While you are taking the time to rewrite your stuff, your competitors will be getting back links, building lists, e.t.c... and you may find that you've wasted precious time.

      What I am suggesting very strongly is that you study this thread and read through the information available to you before making blanket statements like this, as you are offering a flawed opinion, not fact, as the facts show overwhelmingly otherwise.

      Here's another point r.e. all this "would you/google rather have unique or duplicate" content. I've said this before and I will again. I am NOT an advocate for duplicate content, I'm an advocate for economic use of time - especially when it concerns newbs. There's plenty of info overload to keep the newb busy until the wee hours. One doesn't need to perpetuate this mythical penalty in regards to something that is well known as a perfectly acceptable and effective link building and traffic campaign.

      100 unique articles is always better than 1. However, if 1 article takes 30 minutes to write, what's the math on 100 articles? 3000 minutes, or 50 hours. If I'm buying these articles, does it make more sense to pay for 15.00 for one, or 1500.00 for 100? What is the end result of all that time or money? What newb has the confidence to commit that kind of time or money at something they are not even sure will work?

      Furthermore, when you take a piece of work that may have wonderful and compelling content, and then you throw it into an article spinner or fatigue yourself by rewording it, that article may be losing a great deal of intrinsic value and in the end, make you look like an idiot in the eyes of your reader.

      Guys, really, read through these threads before posting, because when you don't it is really frustrating.
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    @ cgallagher93:

    I think you're wrong. We have the RIGHT for every article that we published. We can do whatever we want with them. Google don't owns my articles. And if someone copying my article, I'll email them to pull it off. So, as to produce the authenticity and copyright of the article, i think it's best to post it on my site before syndicating it to the whole world.

    @ Keith:

    Thanks so much for clearing this up for me.

    Mohd
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    Fair enough Keith, I respect your opinion.

    But I've done months and months of SEO research and learnt from SEO's such as Brad Callen and my sites rank very well. So I can only go off the results I've achieved myself and the results of others who have used these techniques.

    The search engine algorithms are extremely complicated and are constantly being updated. They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't.

    It's called duplicate content.

    I was not suggesting that anyone was lazy, perhaps I worded it wrongly. I was simply implying that Google can distinguish, over time, through analysis of backlinks, content, and other social factors such as domain age and authority which sites have ranked naturally, and which have simply spammed the search engines by trying desperately to rank for keywords.

    When I said that it will result in a poor ranking, I was referring to your actual site, not the article directory. Directories will in most cases outrank you for your articles unless you've established trust, authority and are known for quality content in your niche.

    Then again, perhaps I worded it wrongly or I am wrong. But I certainly would like to think that after months and months of research and actually achieving results, that I know what I'm talking about.

    Sorry if I offended you and sorry if you feel my opinion is incorrect. I just don't think the way you slated it was very civil.

    P.S. You do seem to be pretty established and respected on this forum. What have you learnt about SEO in the past, and what's your take on this? Why am I wrong in this case?

    All the best,

    Connor
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    Apologies mohd.

    It seems in this case there is a significant difference of opinion and I am willing to let this go if you are
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    It seems I am wrong in this case and I perhaps need to do some more research.

    So do you post articles to your site and the directories too?

    Perhaps I have been wasting my time rewording them then? Because this is what I honestly believed.

    I was stating that in my opinion, it's seen by Google as duplicate content. Let's face it, SEO isn't an overnight strategy. It's a long-term technique that needs to be perfected.

    I am willing to email the moderators and ask them to remove my earlier post if you wish.

    However, I think it's more the way I worded my post rather than the content I provided. I was just trying to help. Clearly there's a difference of opinion. I think we should just forget about this now and move on.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      It seems I am wrong in this case and I perhaps need to do some more research.

      Perhaps I have been wasting my time rewording them then? Because this is what I honestly believed.

      I was stating that in my opinion, it's seen by Google as duplicate content. Let's face it, SEO isn't an overnight strategy. It's a long-term technique that needs to be perfected.

      I am willing to email the moderators and ask them to remove my earlier post if you wish.

      However, I think it's more the way I worded my post rather than the content I provided. I was just trying to help. Clearly there's a difference of opinion. I think we should just forget about this now and move on.
      It would seem you are wrong on a great many things you have posted. I agree with Peter, read a thread before just posting un-proven methods and stating them as facts.

      So do you post articles to your site and the directories too?
      So you did'nt bother reading the thread before posting that ... This is what Peter' point was... That question is already answered.

      The search engine algorithms are extremely complicated and are constantly being updated. They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't.
      Yes they are complex, so complex as a matter "fact" that not even google' own team fully understands the system. But one thing you are fully wrong on yet again is this --> "They're getting to "learn" so to speak, which sites rank "naturally" and which sites don't."

      Sorry dude, there is no search engine in this world that knows if a sites ranking is done "natural" or not... Come on please define "natural" for me, because I know for a fact you can not define it. I can perfetly spend my entire day "manually" posting to 5,000 sites all in the same day. DO NOT tell me that is not natural because if you try to then you wrong again.

      I am like Keith I have no idea where some people come up with this lame crap from but they really need to sit down and listen and read and then go test what they just read before posting "opinions" as "facts"....

      Oh and let me say it again "DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH"

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    @ cgallagher93:

    none taken.

    @ peter:

    You're right about article rewriting. the quality sucks from the original one. Why? because I had before submitted an article to three article rewriting services (I don't want to name them) and even rewriting by myself phrase by phrase (even up to 5 variation of sentences), and you know what, the quality just uhm... gone.

    I had seen how Steven Wagenheim and CDarklock wrote their articles and the quality were just simply amazing. There are certain level in which each sentences that makes up an article cannot be rewrite as to preserve the integrity, the flow and the logic in it. This is also important so that the article to be more readable and all the persuasive elements are kept intact in order to maintain the CTR.

    Mohd
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  • Profile picture of the author cgallagher93
    It certainly seems there's a lot of misconception about article marketing.

    Am I right in thinking that article marketing is more of a backlinking strategy as opposed to getting people to read them?

    I mean, there are thousands of articles out there, so unless yours is really good I suppose you're just one of the many fish in the sea.

    It seems I've made the mistake of reformatting my articles in the past although my SEO works damn well. It's just very time-consuming and a bit of a drag if I'm honest.

    So would I be better writing a handful of articles, or hiring someone to do it and then just submitting them to the most authoritative directories such as Ezine Articles, GoArticles, eHow etc?

    It's not that what I'm doing now isn't working, but if I can save time by not messing around formatting articles it's going to be a much easier and less time-consuming way to get traffic.

    Thanks
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by cgallagher93 View Post

      It certainly seems there's a lot of misconception about article marketing.

      Am I right in thinking that article marketing is more of a backlinking strategy as opposed to getting people to read them?

      I mean, there are thousands of articles out there, so unless yours is really good I suppose you're just one of the many fish in the sea.

      It seems I've made the mistake of reformatting my articles in the past although my SEO works damn well. It's just very time-consuming and a bit of a drag if I'm honest.

      So would I be better writing a handful of articles, or hiring someone to do it and then just submitting them to the most authoritative directories such as Ezine Articles, GoArticles, eHow etc?

      It's not that what I'm doing now isn't working, but if I can save time by not messing around formatting articles it's going to be a much easier and less time-consuming way to get traffic.

      Thanks
      cgallagher, firstly no offense taken.

      Articles are not exclusively a back link strategy, but they can be used for that purpose alone.

      One thing is to make sure you place your stuff on your own site first. This will tell all the google and interweb Gods that you are the original owner of said content.

      Personally, and this is very subjective, I don't like to SEO articles anywhere but my own sites. I just hate the thought of giving away traffic I'm working for to EZA, ArticlesBase, or anywhere else.

      But there are times when doing just that can be profitable.

      For example; you find a hot niche/ product but it's a fairly competitive niche. Maybe your site is not optimized for that keyword. In that case, using, say, goarticles you can create a compelling piece of copy, publish and SEO the hell out of the page. This strategy can quickly send high competition keyword traffic to your site, or wherever you want them to go.

      Since competitive niches are not easy to get SERP for, you are essentially borrowing on goarticles/EZA/e.t.c... PR and authority achieve better rankings quickly.

      I mention goarticles only because they allow raw affiliate links within the body of the text - and that leaves the reader without much else to click on. EZA only allows top level domain links in the resource box (two max) but EZA has much more authority than goarticles. So it's a trade off, depending on your desired end result.

      So again, there are many uses for article marketing, back linking is only one. But I can say this with conviction. Unless it is your personal preference, you do not need alter your article body at all to submit to many directories. You will suffer no penalties, no de-indexing, no loss of hudspa.

      Once you have placed your articles, take a look at the number of pages you have and ask yourself which page you want to work to achieve the best SERP. If it's a big number keyword, you may want to borrow on an article directories authority to try and rank quicker. Personally I always end up picking my own site, since the directories aren't paying me to give them my traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    Wow, as this issue intrigues me I had done some research on Google:

    I go for highly search volume keywords for a specific niche (through Wordtracker)
    picked one with 1225 daily searches, type it in Google's SE with quote "..." has 22,400 of sites competing. Record the first ten sites featured on it.

    But I know that visitors will type in the keywords without quotation mark. To my surprise this one article rank very highly (on 1st SERP) which is from ezine, but never featured in Google's 1st SERP if the keywords put in quotation marks.

    Anyway, it got viewed 224576 times, published since 9th Dec 2004 and only got 19 backlinks (except form the ezine itself).

    So, that determines quality first, seo comes second.

    To check about duplicate content issues, I copied the body's first sentence which has 9 words and put it in Google's SE under quotation mark "...", and guess what? there are 578 pages that matched the first sentence. That determines duplicate content is not an issue and I'm assuming that the article that she put on ezine would probably the first she published.

    Why?

    Because when I went to her website, the article were never there.

    Well, I don't know as this is one of many research that I could have conducted.

    But from this, I know that: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOT AN ISSUE. PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY ABOVE ANYTHING.

    Mohd
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    • Profile picture of the author peter gibson
      Originally Posted by mohd View Post

      Wow, as this issue intrigues me I had done some research on Google:

      I go for highly search volume keywords for a specific niche (through Wordtracker)
      picked one with 1225 daily searches, type it in Google's SE with quote "..." has 22,400 of sites competing. Record the first ten sites featured on it.

      But I know that visitors will type in the keywords without quotation mark. To my surprise this one article rank very highly (on 1st SERP) which is from ezine, but never featured in Google's 1st SERP if the keywords put in quotation marks.

      Anyway, it got viewed 224576 times, published since 9th Dec 2004 and only got 19 backlinks (except form the ezine itself).

      So, that determines quality first, seo comes second.

      To check about duplicate content issues, I copied the body's first sentence which has 9 words and put it in Google's SE under quotation mark "...", and guess what? there are 578 pages that matched the first sentence. That determines duplicate content is not an issue and I'm assuming that the article that she put on ezine would probably the first she published.

      Why?

      Because when I went to her website, the article were never there.

      Well, I don't know as this is one of many research that I could have conducted.

      But from this, I know that: DUPLICATE CONTENT IS NOT AN ISSUE. PRIORITIZE THE QUALITY ABOVE ANYTHING.

      Mohd
      Exactly. I wouldn't depend too heavily on wordtracker though, their data is skewed and inaccurate from my experience. Try market samurai FTW. Hands down the best SEO tool in existence,. Again, IMO. There's a 40 day free trial available now.

      Speaking of demystifying dupe content, look at these google results. Which one of those top 50 sites was dealt the dreaded Dupe Penalty of Doom LOL!
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  • Profile picture of the author mohd
    James, Keith, Peter, Jay = they were all SUPERB!!!!

    every time they speak makes total sense ( not on some baseless fact ) but based from pure experienced.

    I salute you all.

    @ Peter:
    Thanks for recommending that tool. I'll definitely use it. About the google results, hah, lol.

    Mohd
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    LOL - you guys are funny. Still on the fact vs. theory arguement.

    James, I think you are wasting your virtual breath. It doesn't appear that people are going to stop trying to post their opinions as proven fact.

    Very frustrating when you've spent years doing the grunt-work and someone comes along and tries to dispell your research.

    Allen
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      LOL - you guys are funny. Still on the fact vs. theory arguement.

      James, I think you are wasting your virtual breath. It doesn't appear that people are going to stop trying to post their opinions as proven fact.

      Very frustrating when you've spent years doing the grunt-work and someone comes along and tries to dispell your research.

      Allen
      Maybe if I repeated it they would understand, let's see ...

      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH
      DUPLICATE CONTENT IS A MYTH

      Ok now that seems kind of childish but so does the many that still proclaim dulicate content exist.

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Yea - dup content is a myth. Even if it is on your own site - Google will just pick one to use or look for a canonical tag. No penalty, no problems.

    But I was referring more to the your site or EZA first issue.

    Oh well, If they don't want to listen to those who actually have the answers - based on solid proof and data, (or even Google's own words!!!) let 'em burn. LOL

    Allen
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by Allen Graves View Post

      Yea - dup content is a myth. Even if it is on your own site - Google will just pick one to use or look for a canonical tag. No penalty, no problems.

      But I was referring more to the your site or EZA first issue.

      Oh well, If they don't want to listen to those who actually have the answers - based on solid proof and data, (or even Google's own words!!!) let 'em burn. LOL

      Allen
      Allen,
      Oh I know what you meant but I was just being childish just to show others how "foolish" it really looks ...

      Hey Keith and Peter,
      Maybe we should create a digital blueprint on Article Marketing, Syndication, and Duplicate Content... Looks like there would be plenty of customers thanks to all those self proclaimed experts that keep giving out bad advice for people to pass on..

      Oh Wait!!!! All that information is already in this thread - For those that take the time to read it

      Ok so maybe a free digital blueplrint on :

      "A Surefire Way How To Increase The Google Clicks On Your Article"
      "That is posted on other site and not yours"

      We could create an opt-in form for it and post 10,000 articles on all those article directories (make sure they have google ads) and then build all the backlinks to those articles, not our opt-in form mind you, this is very important that we must build all the backlinks to the articles for this to be effective...

      Think we could build our opt-in list to millions :confused:

      James






      "If you did not catch the sarcasm in this post then you need to read this entire thread now".
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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    Keith - I must admit I did not see that thread but yep you are right!!

    I will have to come back and read the entire thing when I get a few minutes...

    James
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  • Profile picture of the author JayXtreme
    So....

    Let me get this right, James..

    You're saying I should post the content to EZA first.. and THEN to my own site to avoid that big nasty duplicate content penalty that Google is handing out left, right and center?...

    I'm so glad you saved me...

    If it wasn't for you, I would be doing silly things like putting the content on my own site first... phew!

    Peace

    Jay

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  • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
    LOL .. Good one Jay .. Too much coffee dude, maybe just cut back a little bit....

    James





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    Does that count as a backlink Mr. Jay ....lol
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  • Profile picture of the author theteach
    Here's my 2 cents...

    I've thoroughly read the thread and appreciate all the advice. I now know what I should do and luckily my decision doesn't create any cognitive dissonance for me.

    Regardless of creating backlinks etc... I WILL keep my hard work (i.e. articles) on my OWN site. I am not willing to give my content to EZA or other article submission sites. Why should they post my material and reap the rewards?

    I came across someone on another IM forum. He discussed how he built his site and how he created 2000 pages of content (I checked out his site and it's true). I couldn't verify that his content was unique, although he admitted that it was.

    He showed some google analytic stats and he seems to be doing quite well with his trafiic (his conversions are another story).

    I will attempt to produce a 'sick' number of pages for my site and I will refrain from submitting them elsewhere. I want to go with my gut here and try it.

    Perhaps it's a combination of pride and ego, I don't care. I want to build my house with my own hands and bricks.

    I'll let you all know how my 'experiment' goes.
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    • Profile picture of the author TheRichJerksNet
      Originally Posted by BJ Min View Post

      when you put it on YOUR site...do you put it on your money site or your BLOG site?
      You should have it on the site you are building the main backlinks for. There are several ways you can go about this and if you backup a little in this thread you will see where I discuss about using a 2nd blog and how to go about doing this..

      James
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  • Profile picture of the author Joel Gray
    Allen,

    Just wanted to let you know that I went and listened to the Chris Knight interview and is was great, thanks for posting such an informative source of great information.

    Joel
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