Article marketing: Where best to post your articles???

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Hi guys

Where do you post your articles for best results? After Google pulled the rug out from under the traditional article sites where do we go from here?

Mike
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  • Profile picture of the author tac88
    E zine articles is sill good along with article base and Go articles ! I found that Ezine seem's to get the most traffic for me . But I have heard different from others so it kinda up to you .
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      ALWAYS post all your articles / content to your own website / blog first and wait until it has been indexed by Google before posting anywhere else. This will ensure you get the initial indexing rights.

      Then, the only article directories worth considering are Ezine Articles and ArticleBase. Both of these offer your best opportunities for subsequent article syndication.

      Of course, the very best method is the accumulate a list of niche relevant websites / blogs / newsletter, etc. willing to syndicate your content. This, and this alone will provide you with the most focused eyeballs reading your content, and once your articles are published there, you will also receive a high quality backlink too.

      As usual, Alexa beat me to it LOL
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        I'm going to add one more, either second or third depending on the size/audience of your private syndication list.

        > Niche specific article directories. The tricky part is that these sites often don't call themselves 'directories'. Some still use the word portal, most don't anymore. Another potential pitfall is confusing a niche directory with a scraper blog or site, or an automated, accept-anything link farm.

        How do you find these directories? Many times, they're an add-on to an authority site (real authority, not IM-speak for 'crapload of pages filled with keywords'), or the site of an industry or trade organization.

        Sometimes, for some niches, the best way to find valuable niche directories is to start with a relevant entry in Wikipedia and start doing a 'drunkard's walk' search via reference links. These can actually be some of the most valuable, as they aren't readily findable by the Google-centric SEO set...
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      • Profile picture of the author phmoisan
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        ALWAYS post all your articles / content to your own website / blog first and wait until it has been indexed by Google before posting anywhere else. This will ensure you get the initial indexing rights.
        Sorry if it's a stupid question, but how long do we have to wait? A few minutes, hours, days?

        I knew about posting on my blog first, but this additional bit of info I didn't know, thanks, AnniePot
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        • Test it out for yourself, then decide, based on your results, on which method works best for you. For instance, you can implement the methods below, monitor your results, then decide:

          1. Write an article. Post it on your website. Wait for it to be indexed by Google or other search engines. Submit it to EZA or to any article directory that you prefer or to any relevant offline print publication channel. You can also submit it to multiple article directories and to multiple offline print publications that accept content already published elsewhere.

          2. Write an article. Post it on your site. Search for a heavily trafficked, niche-relevant authority blog that accepts guest posts unpublished elsewhere. Write a guest post that serves as an excellent follow-up content to the most recent, most relevant and most popular posts in that blog, and also as excellent preview/trailer material for the article on your site.

          3. Write an article. Post it on your site. Develop a video that will serve as an excellent preview/trailer material to that article. Post it in YouTube or in multiple video repositories that you prefer.

          4. Write an article about relevant recent news items or feature stories. Post it on your site. Write a press release about that article. submit it to niche press release directories.

          5. Write an article. Submit it to EZA or to multiple article directories that you prefer.

          6. Go to a niche-relevant, heavily trafficked authority Web forum or to multiple niche-relevant, heavily trafficked authority Web forums. Find recent and popular relevant discussion pages in those Web forums. Write a detailed article that provides helpful relevant info and advice not found in those discussion pages. Post it on your site. Go to those discussion pages in those Web forums, contribute helpful info or advice that serves as an excellent preview/trailer material for the article on your site. Link to your article in your posts or in your forum signature links.

          7. Write an article. Post it on Squidoo.

          8. Find niche-relevant, heavily trafficked authority blogs. Study the most relevant, most recent and most popular posts in those blogs. Write an article that provides helpful info and advice yet to be mentioned in those post discussion threads. Publish the article on your site. Go back to those blog post threads, contribute info and advice that can serve as excellent preview/trailer content for your article as comments in those blog post discussions, then link to your article.

          Doing all tests above can take up to five to eight days, though the value of the results you can gain, study, compare against your resource overheads (including time) and improve could most likely be beneficial for your business...
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by phmoisan View Post

          Sorry if it's a stupid question, but how long do we have to wait? A few minutes, hours, days?
          It isn't a stupid question at all ... just one with a very variable answer.

          How frequently Google re-indexes new content on your site depends on how frequently you publish new content. Search engines go through an "automated learning curve" for this. This forum can have its new content re-indexed within 5 minutes, because it publishes new material constantly. On all my business sites (which acquire three new articles per month each), the indexation typically takes up to 12 hours. When a site's very new, it nearly always takes longer, because Google hasn't "learned" yet.

          So you have to check, each time: just paste a ten-word chunk of your article, between "inverted commas", into Google. When it shows up in the SERP's, it's been indexed. Normally within 24 hours, I'd guess.
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        • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
          Originally Posted by phmoisan View Post

          Sorry if it's a stupid question, but how long do we have to wait? A few minutes, hours, days?

          I knew about posting on my blog first, but this additional bit of info I didn't know, thanks, AnniePot
          Not a stupid question -

          It depends entirely upon how frequently Google crawls and indexes your website. With a new site, the indexing process could take several days, but the more established your site becomes, the faster Google will index your new content. A trick I use to get indexed almost instantly is to tweet the url to my relevant Twitter account.

          A few years ago, I had a blog associated with a membership site i owned and because I posted new content daily, Google was forever crawling it and everything was indexed almost instantly.

          I hope that helps...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by PlayedaBlinder View Post

    Where do you post your articles for best results?
    Hi Mike,

    Always on your own site first.

    Then on any relevant niche sites/blogs in your niche that will re-publish your content.

    And then there's no harm at all in putting a copy in Ezine Articles (not, of course, for its own traffic or backlink, but in case anyone else with a relevant site wants to re-publish it, too).

    This post gives an overview of how article marketing works well, these days: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

    This post explains how article directories work: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

    This little thread explains why it's such a big mistake to submit anywhere else any articles that haven't initially been published and indexed on your own site (though you'll need to read all the thread to "get the point" because it's kind of divided between different posts, I'm afraid): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

    Don't try to get potential customer traffic coming to your site from an article directory. That's really ill-advised. No article marketer with an appreciation of how article directories work wants to do this: this post explains why, in detail.

    And here's a little bit more answering your specific "where to post" question ...
    Best way to submit articles?
    What is the Best site for Posting Articles
    Best sites to submit articles?
    Article Writing & Syndication Explained?

    To summarise in a single sentence: "Own site first; after that, site-relevance (not just page-relevance) is almost everything; anything else is an afterthought by comparison."
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      Hi Mike,

      Always on your own site first.

      Then on any relevant niche sites/blogs in your niche that will re-publish your content.
      As previously discussed (many times), I get this.

      However, afterthought.

      When I write a post, it's often worded to give the information in a certain way. While being informative and helpful, it's also trying to build a long term readership/relationship with visitors.

      The title would normally be constructed to 'be found' by Googlies (Googlers?) when they're searching for something specific.

      What I'm trying to ask, in my clumsy way is this:
      When publishing to an article site (after your own), does it effect the article in any way if you change the title, or tweak the body copy?

      Hope that makes sense.
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      • Profile picture of the author dragosx
        I know about article directories but I want to find out if there is more than this out there...
        Are there other valuable types of sites where u can promote your blog articles?
        (Once you post a few interesting articles on you'r own site blog , what do you think it's the best way to promote them ?)
        Do you know any other good sites that get a lot of traffic for sharing interesting articles on blogs?
        I'll try to make a blog with interesting web design articles and if I can't get google rankings my goal is traffic (if possible likes/tweets) for working on the articles .
        Thank you in advance for your response.
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

          When publishing to an article site (after your own), does it effect the article in any way if you change the title, or tweak the body copy?
          I don't think so. I sometimes used to change the titles a bit (I don't any more - I haven't noticed any difference in results at all). And "tweaks" aren't going to make it "unique" rather than "syndicated". So my guess is that it isn't relevant, either way, Alan. In other words, I wouldn't worry about doing it at all, if it suits you, for whatever reason(s).

          Originally Posted by dragosx View Post

          Are there other valuable types of sites where u can promote your blog articles?
          Yes, and they're much more important ones, and the only purpose of using an article directory is that it's an "indirect approach/stepping-stone", hoping to reach them. Those sites are explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5035794

          Originally Posted by dragosx View Post

          (Once you post a few interesting articles on you'r own site blog , what do you think it's the best way to promote them ?)
          Get them re-published anywhere where the targeted traffic you want to attract is already looking: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6575732

          They'll need to be written for syndication in the first place, of course.

          Originally Posted by dragosx View Post

          Do you know any other good sites that get a lot of traffic for sharing interesting articles on blogs?
          They're going to be different ones, in every niche, if you think about it?

          Sites that get a lot of good traffic for articles about how to prevent and treat eczema and dermatitis are hardly going to be the same sites that get a lot of good traffic for articles about how to use a registry cleaner on your computer, are they?
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          • Profile picture of the author dragosx
            Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post


            They're going to be different ones, in every niche, if you think about it?

            Sites that get a lot of good traffic for articles about how to prevent and treat eczema and dermatitis are hardly going to be the same sites that get a lot of good traffic for articles about how to use a registry cleaner on your computer, are they?
            You are right here . Thank you for you'r response !
            I said "I'll try to make a blog with interesting web design articles" . I'm searching websites to promote articles on "web design" topic (news,trends, tips,etc.) .I need to make a good strategy plan for this but I guess I'm going to open a new topic for this.
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  • Profile picture of the author misterkailo
    Article Marketing worked well back in like 2006-2009 for me but that died down as Google algorithm has changed and those websites like Ezinearticles and ArticleBase have gotten less and less traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author jipolis7
    I always prefer these sites for me, when I am going to post my best articles. That's why my suggestions are also to there -

    Ezine

    Buzzle

    Searchwarp
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  • Profile picture of the author DonnyBoy
    If you have your own site, post your article there but if you don't have your own site then i would suggest you to post articles on Ezine
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

    Article Marketing worked well back in like 2006-2009 for me but that died down as Google algorithm has changed
    No, not at all.

    You're thinking of article directory marketing, not article marketing.

    The recent Google algorithm changes have been good for article marketing, not bad for it. As so many people who do article marketing for a living have been explaining here since early 2011.

    Originally Posted by misterkailo View Post

    and those websites like Ezinearticles and ArticleBase have gotten less and less traffic
    Yes, they have - and that's a good thing for article marketers, because it makes it safer, simpler and more convenient for us to use them for their intended purpose without the risk that they can suck away our potential customer traffic to their AdSense and other distractions.

    Sorry, but you really do have this whole thing back-to-front, Mr. K.

    Originally Posted by napoleonfirst View Post

    You need to understand that you need thousands of articles out there to get decen results.
    This is completely wrong.

    Article marketing isn't about how many articles you have.

    It's about who reads them.

    I make my full-time living from article marketing and I produce three articles per month for each of my niches. People producing "thousands of articles" are not doing article marketing successfully. They have it confused with article directory marketing, as you do.

    Originally Posted by jipolis7 View Post

    That's why my suggestions are also to there -
    Ezine
    Buzzle
    Searchwarp
    Buzzle isn't even an article directory any more, in the sense in which we're discussing them. It changed its business model in early 2011 after the first of the Panda updates. It allows no external links at all, not even in a resource-box.

    So why are you recommending it?! Why are you claiming that you're "posting your best articles" there, when no links are allowed at all? What would be the benefit of that???
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    • Profile picture of the author redeem54
      Hi Alexa,

      I just read your post regarding your statement below and stated that you produce three articles per month for each of my niches, now is that three article for each niche or a total of three altogether?

      I am asking because I am new with online marketing and struggling how to get valuable content to put into my articles, newletters and emails so I would like know how do you gather these information to send to your niche?

      Is it through researching or does it come from your mind?

      I ofter wonder how this is done to keep your niche well informed and continue to build my list.

      Your post is the first I have read that someone is actually making money and a full time living at that so it is very uplifting and encouraging.

      Thank You,

      James





      I make my full-time living from article marketing and I produce three articles per month for each of my niches. People producing "thousands of articles" are not doing article marketing successfully. They have it confused with article directory marketing, as you do.
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by redeem54 View Post

        Hi Alexa,

        I just read your post regarding your statement below and stated that you produce three articles per month for each of my niches, now is that three article for each niche or a total of three altogether?
        I write three for each niche: 8 niches = 24 articles per month, in total. (In theory I do, anyway - that's my aim: I don't always manage quite as many as that, to be honest. It was a lot easier when I had 4 niches on the go and needed about 12 articles per month. I naively used to imagine that I'd be able to keep adding new niches and have about 20 altogether. It didn't work out that way, needless to say ).

        The reason I keep mentioning this number in threads like this one is as a kind of rebuttal to people who offer posts saying "Article marketing can work very well but you need a huge number of articles to do really well with it". You just don't. It doesn't really matter how many articles you have: what matters is who reads them (i.e. where you get them published).

        Originally Posted by redeem54 View Post

        I am asking because I am new with online marketing and struggling how to get valuable content to put into my articles, newletters and emails so I would like know how do you gather these information to send to your niche?

        Is it through researching or does it come from your mind?
        A bit of both! I try to choose niches which aren't entirely alien to me, where I know nothing and don't really know how to learn it either (so you won't see me promoting "registry cleaners" because I don't even understand what the "registry" is on a computer). And then I like to do some offline research to build/add to my knowledge/experience. I think it's of limited value giving people only information that they can fairly easily find online themselves. So I actually buy books and read around the subject, too.

        Originally Posted by redeem54 View Post

        Your post is the first I have read that someone is actually making money and a full time living at that so it is very uplifting and encouraging.
        There are plenty of us here building our businesses this way, James: I'm just the mouthy chick who posts more than the others do.

        Little tip: a search for posts by "Myob" (Paul) and "JohnMcCabe", among many others, is always interesting and worthwhile. "tpw", also (that's Bill Platt's username here).
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  • Profile picture of the author minimalseo
    Have you thought of Guest Blogging? It's widely regarded Article Marketing 2.0 and I wouldn't disagree. Just be diligent on where you publish.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by chukster View Post

      This is my list of 11 article directories
      No, it isn't.

      Squidoo, for a start, is not an article directory.

      (And neither are one or two others on your list above).

      Originally Posted by chukster View Post

      to enjoy & the subsequent PR.
      Those page ranks are simply the page ranks of those sites' own home pages. Websites don't "have page ranks". Only pages have page ranks. If you can ever find a way to have your articles published on their own home pages, then they may become relevant to you! But until then, the backlinks you get from doing this, just like the backlinks I get from doing it, will all be non-context-relevant PR-0 backlinks.

      There simply isn't a way to prevent these threads from filling with misleading "information".

      It saddens me, because this is exactly the same information I found when I first came here, as an intending article marketer, in 2008, and I believed it then, and that was one of the reasons I didn't earn any money at all in my first 4 months, until I realised that it was all nonsense.

      People are still churning out the same misinformation now.

      They're still claiming that they "submit their best articles to Buzzle" (which doesn't allow any backlinks, not even in a resource-box).

      They're still claiming that Squidoo and HubPages are article directories. (They're not - and that actually matters, because it affects what you can submit there, and why).

      They're still listing directories (some of which aren't directories at all) "by page rank".

      It's all nonsense.

      It never ends.

      I "go on about it" (yes, I know I do that ) only because this stuff makes it harder for people to learn anything that's factually accurate, and harder for them to earn a living.
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  • Profile picture of the author dalegolden
    Why didn't you add hubpages in your list? It is very good one too.

    Also, guest blogging can be a great option to market your articles.
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    • Profile picture of the author AnniePot
      Originally Posted by dalegolden View Post

      Why didn't you add hubpages in your list? It is very good one too.

      Also, guest blogging can be a great option to market your articles.
      Sorry - HubPages is NOT an article directory. :rolleyes:

      As Alexa has just pointed out, I don't think this plethora of completely misguided, totally wrong information is ever going to end.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Coutts
        Originally Posted by AnniePot View Post

        ... I don't think this plethora of completely misguided, totally wrong information is ever going to end.
        No need to think - believe ... (unfortunately) ...
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  • Profile picture of the author donadams71
    Here are a few places you can post your articles: Ezine; HubPages; Triond; RedGage; Factoidz; Squidoo; You can also post you articles on relevant blogs and forums that are popular among your target audience; as well as posting them on your own website or blog.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    I am not the biggest fan of Squidoo and Hubpages but they allow you to publish content so in theory you could actually class them as article directories, yes they have limitations but also more authority than many of the other ones mentioned.

    As mentioned it's best to publish on your own site first although you will need to have decent authority or backlinks to outrank established sites and get traffic depending on the keywords you select.

    If you insist on using EZA I have no idea why you wouldn't target direct traffic, if there is such a thing as initial indexation rights it won't make much difference as your own site should outrank ezine ?
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    • Profile picture of the author Kendrickk
      The best place to place articles is on street articles. I use that and it would not take so long to get your articles like others places. I recommend it because it gets you ranked really well in google. Hope this helps!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      I am not the biggest fan of Squidoo and Hubpages but they allow you to publish content so in theory you could actually class them as article directories
      An "article directory" is a site to which publishers can go to look up content available to be re-published.

      Directories are places where people "look things up". That's their purpose and function. That's the reason they exist.

      Neither Squidoo nor HubPages is designed for this purpose, or even permits it.

      In no sense are they article directories.

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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You never know... ezinearticles may make a comeback one of these days. Then everybody will be gravitating towards it to reclaim their traffic again. But by that time (in my niche)... i will be tapping out most of that traffic that comes to EZA for internet marketing. Lol... if only it would come true.
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  • Profile picture of the author Allen Graves
    Anywhere that doesn't let you post without corresponding with a real human first.

    I'm not in the article directory publishing business anymore (ran from that after Panda 1.0), but I can still see what works and what doesn't work from the residual sites and articles I have out there.

    Free article sites can bring in a little traffic, but they're not worth the trouble IMO. The links certainly aren't worth it, so if you can justify the traffic you get from them, go for it...I guess.

    Good luck!

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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    Originally Posted by An "article directory" is a site to which publishers can go to look up content available to be re-published. Directories are places where people "look things up". That's their purpose and function. That's the reason they exist. Neither Squidoo nor HubPages is designed for this purpose, or even permits it. In no sense are they article directories.

    An "article directory" is a site to which publishers can go to look up content available to be re-published.

    Directories are places where people "look things up". That's their purpose and function. That's the reason they exist.

    Neither Squidoo nor HubPages is designed for this purpose, or even permits it.

    In no sense are they article directories.
    Yes, I know what you mean but an directory is just a place that stores information ( ie articles or content in this case ) .

    Most people submitting articles online are looking for quick SEO benefits rather than syndication, it's another debate whether that is the correct strategy but let's not go there !
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      an directory is just a place that stores information ( ie articles or content in this case ) .
      Articles available for publication, in this case. That's why they're there.

      Originally Posted by Kevin McNally View Post

      Most people submitting articles online are looking for quick SEO benefits rather than syndication
      That isn't article marketing, Kevin. It's article directory marketing. It's the attempt to use article directories for their own backlinks. It's completely silly and extremely ill-advised, too, these days. It was only ever really based on a complete misunderstanding about what an article directory is, and what benefits it can provide. It's a waste of time. It hasn't worked for years and it won't be working again any time soon, and there are reasons for that. But this thread is headed "Article marketing", so clearly it isn't about that.

      And that complete misunderstanding, mentioned above, is well served and perpetuated by telling people that you think Squidoo and HubPages are in some sense "article directories". Come off it, Kevin: unlike some of the inexperienced people asking these questions, you know better than this and have no possible interest in confusing others! Shall we all just try to be helpful, instead?
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  • Profile picture of the author kampret262
    Originally Posted by PlayedaBlinder View Post

    Hi guys

    Where do you post your articles for best results? After Google pulled the rug out from under the traditional article sites where do we go from here?

    Mike
    yes, ezine that's good..but not only ezine...you can search the top 5 Article Directory on Google...then you can post your article to the Top 5 Article Directory
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    Definitely ezinearticles
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  • Profile picture of the author Beverley Boorer
    It is obvious to me that most people here read the first post and then they skip to the bottom and reply without bothering to read all the info in between. Take note of what Alexa Smith is saying people and stop posting misinformation!
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    • Profile picture of the author PlayedaBlinder
      Well, I certainly got some very interesting ideas and snippets by posting that question on here. It seems entering the articles on my site and blog 'first' is a very wise thing to do. Thanks to all for your input.

      Mike
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  • Agree with the posters above! Always your own site first! This is VERY important
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  • Profile picture of the author Kevin McNally
    That isn't article marketing, Kevin. It's article directory marketing. It's the attempt to use article directories for their own backlinks. It's completely silly and extremely ill-advised, too
    We will agree to disagree Alexa, if you don't think submitting content or anchor text links has any backlink SEO benefits in some cases then you are entitled to believe this. Much like the other post recently where you believed almost nobody could make $1k per month without building a list !

    It's always good to have a balanced discussion .
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  • Profile picture of the author eniggma
    Hey has anyone seen a nice increase in traffic using this forums article section? I wiuld using the clout of one of the top forums on earth gives a pretty quick 1st page spot...
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  • Profile picture of the author lalit657
    Sir,there is a lot of websites on which you can post your articles and earn income like....

    Traffic generation by writing content for other sites
    1. Ezinearticles.com
    2. Squidoo.com
    3. Hubpages.com
    4. About.com
    5. Wikihow.com
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    • Profile picture of the author Alan Ashwood
      Originally Posted by lalit657 View Post

      Sir,there is a lot of websites on which you can post your articles and earn income like....

      Traffic generation by writing content for other sites
      1. Ezinearticles.com
      2. Squidoo.com
      3. Hubpages.com
      4. About.com
      5. Wikihow.com
      So - having published on your own site, you want to spread the word.

      Would you use exactly the same article to all directories, or should they be unique?
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by Alan Ashwood View Post

        Would you use exactly the same article to all directories, or should they be unique?
        Nobody (who really understands how article marketing works) is going to submit any unique content to an article directory, for all the reasons discussed throughout this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...marketing.html

        (Of course, only one of the five sites listed just above is an article directory ... )
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  • Profile picture of the author ronorr
    If you just keep writing great content with great organic backlinks. Also what if you use pingomatic, pingfarm, and pingler. I guess ezinearticles.com probably isn't as good as it use to be? What about the article robot software?
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by ronorr View Post

      I guess ezinearticles.com probably isn't as good as it use to be?
      It's even better.

      All those Panda updates of 2011 made EZA much easier and safer for article marketers to use for its intended purpose, without the risk that our potential customer traffic might find those copies (the last thing we'd want, of course, for all the reasons explained in this post: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5075780 ).
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  • Profile picture of the author submitinme
    Originally Posted by PlayedaBlinder View Post

    Hi guys

    Where do you post your articles for best results? After Google pulled the rug out from under the traditional article sites where do we go from here?

    Mike
    There are several alternative spots but with strict editorial policies. Squidoo, document sharing sites such as scribd, slideshare, hosted blogging social networks etc. In addition to that make sure claim authorship to all your content. Google in "Author Rank" and you would find more information on that. In fact by the mid of 2013, it will not matter where your content is published, but who wrote the content for you. So start building your author rank today.
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  • Profile picture of the author DC26
    Like others have said in here your own site first then Ezine Articles is the best of them in my opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

      So you have to check, each time: just paste a ten-word chunk of your article, between "inverted commas", into Google. When it shows up in the SERP's, it's been indexed. Normally within 24 hours, I'd guess.
      Since the article is published on his own site, there's an easier way to tell if it's been indexed. Just paste the URL in the search box. If the page comes up, it's been indexed.

      Alexa's method is surprisingly effective in it's simplicity for finding where else your article may appear. You can even automate the method with a Google alert...

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  • Profile picture of the author shanestrong05
    Like the rest have stated you own site would be best but just to post anywhere Ezine would be your best bet but depending on what the article would really determine the best place.
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  • Profile picture of the author jpsween88
    I post my articles to EZA and other directories, but I would say 60% of my traffic comes from me searching for blogs in that niche and contacting the owner with a few samples and asking if they would like to create a relationship to post my articles.

    I was surprised how many people were willing to do this, I guess my content is better than there own b/c most people ask for 1-2 articles a week from me. I do not charge them for my content, but you better believe I have a backlink to my site.

    In the past year, I've focused more on writing content and letting other people do marketing and have yielded much better results
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  • Profile picture of the author crungureanu
    Article directories are fine if you wish for slow but steady traffic and a good link back to your site.
    For faster traffic, I would say that guest posting does a much better job.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by crungureanu View Post

      Article directories are fine if you wish for slow but steady traffic
      This is mistaken.

      For all the reasons explained in this post, no article marketer would want potential customer traffic coming to their site via an article directory. We all lose most of that traffic, and would be much better off having it coming directly to our own sites instead, which is easy to arrange once you understand how article directories work and which benefits they can, and can't provide.

      All explained here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post5068872

      Originally Posted by crungureanu View Post

      and a good link back to your site.
      This is really completely wrong.

      Article directory backlinks are of no value at all (no, I'm not exaggerating/minimizing) and enough of them in huge numbers of different directories will naturally get you penalized by Google's "Penguin-updated" algorithm. PR-0 backlinks on non-context-relevant sites simply have no value to you, for off-page SEO. This was true even as long ago as 2010, when SEO textbook writers were explaining why, in linkjuice terms, something between 50,000 and 100,000 of those "backlinks" were equivalent to one backlink from a quality, relevant site. And that was even before all the 2011/12 Panda updates decimated the SEO potential of article directories, and the Penguin update started penalizing the sites linked to. It's completely futile, and far more likely to damage your business than to help it.

      As already explained higher up in this thread, trying to use article directories for their own traffic and/or their own backlinks is based only on a fundamental misunderstanding of how they work.
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    • Profile picture of the author VintageOldImages
      As anybody used Sick Submitter software for submitting articles and if yes what do you think of this software.
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    • Profile picture of the author clever7
      Originally Posted by crungureanu View Post

      Article directories are fine if you wish for slow but steady traffic and a good link back to your site.
      For faster traffic, I would say that guest posting does a much better job.
      I agree with this point of view. I believe that today the best way to promote your business with article writing is through guest posts at other blogs, but you have to write original articles for them, which were not published anywhere else.

      I found a site about this matter, but I didn't have the time to do anything yet. It may be helpful for you:

      http://www.bloggerlinkup.com/





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  • Profile picture of the author danr62
    Alexa and others: How do you have the patience to keep this up after all these years?

    For myself, I haven't been proactive as I could be with article marketing as Alexa and the others describe, but article I posted on my site and submitted to one blog in my niche produces about one subscriber per day for me, and has done so for the last several months. I also submitted this article to EZA every so often see a small spike in traffic when other publishers pick it up.

    So yes, listen to Alexa and stop parroting that same old advice without even reading these threads!
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by danr62 View Post

      Alexa and others: How do you have the patience to keep this up after all these years?
      Well, I like to try to pass on to others what's been helpful to me, in the hope they might avoid the disastrous start I had myself when I had no idea what I was doing, believed "forum misnformation" on this subject (much of it exactly the same things that are being said now, though they're even less appropriate now than they were back then!) and paid the price. But honestly, for me, rightly or wrongly it's also partly about the "personal annoyance factor": it generally irritates me less to be patient and offer explanations than it would to leave factual misinformation uncorrected (as was quite often the state of play in 2008 when I needed information, myself). I don't have the patience or a strong enough stomach to try to do it in the SEO folder, where truly the blind are leading the partially sighted, but I'll do it here, about article marketing.

      Originally Posted by VintageOldImages View Post

      As anybody used Sick Submitter software for submitting articles and if yes what do you think of this software.
      The links in this post/thread may help you (even though it isn't specifically about that software - the underlying principles are still probably relevant to you): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8215164
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  • Profile picture of the author Taniwha
    Alexa Smith, I assume you syndicate those 3 articles a niche to relevant publications (e.g. blogs), but do you publish those same articles to your site(s)?

    I ask this because I know many blogs don't want articles that will be published elsewhere.

    If yes, wouldn't your blog(s) rarely be updated with any new content? Not very good from a readers point of view, don't you think?

    This is one major parts that confuses me. Unless you publish it after you get it picked up by other sites/newsletters/newspapers.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

      Alexa Smith, I assume you syndicate those 3 articles a niche to relevant publications (e.g. blogs), but do you publish those same articles to your site(s)?
      Kia ora!

      Yes, all my articles are always published and indexed on my own sites before anyone else gets them.

      Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

      I ask this because I know many blogs don't want articles that will be published elsewhere.
      Well, there are many threads discussing this issue. It isn't often my experience, and many who say that will often take them anyway if they want the content enough, and blogs are far from the only syndication outlet, and many blog-owners syndicate content from article directories anyway, and so on.

      Duplicate content (according to Google) is multiple copies of the same file within one domain. As long as they haven't already published it, then it isn't "duplicate content" within the meaning they're concerned about.

      However, there are some blog-owners who don't appreciate this.

      In many niches, it isn't a problem at all. In anything to do with "internet marketing" or "making money online", it can be a problem simply because "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and those therefore tend to be the webmasters who are quite likely to have heard many of the nonsensical myths about duplicate content, and to have got hold of completely the wrong end of the stick.

      Among the things you can try to do are ...

      (i) Try (if you really want to!) to educate them by showing them what Google says so clearly, unamgiguously and repeatedly about duplicate content, or even just things like this little article (very approachable and readable!): Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog. If you really want to, you can even send them links to Google's WebMaster Central Blog where all of this is explained.

      (ii) Try to identify only blog-owners who aren't toiling under that misapprehension, by - for example - looking for high-quality articles in your niche inside Ezine Articles and then using Google to find the sites to which they've been syndicated (this is a way of building up a list of bloggers who are already known to syndicate content)

      (iii) Submit to as many ezines as possible (you'll very rarely encounter the problem, that way, and the traffic quality tends to be even better)

      (iv) Ignore their reply, and just send them another, different article a couple of months later and see whether they accept and publish that one (this often works - you'd be surprised!!).

      This thread may possibly help? How to Find Article Syndication Partners?

      (And if it helps at all, this is how I approach potential syndicators in the first instance: Questions about Content Syndication ).

      Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

      If yes, wouldn't your blog(s) rarely be updated with any new content?
      Three times per month.

      Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

      Not very good from a readers point of view, don't you think?
      This doesn't matter to me in the slightest. I'm an affiliate marketer, so the purpose of all my blogs is to collect the visitors' email addresses by ...

      (a) showing them a content-rich site

      (b) establishing credibility

      (c) branding myself (albeit under a pen-name) as an authority, and ...

      (d) all the other fundamentals of list-building: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6123982

      "Readers", to me, means primarily readers of my emails (because these are readers who translate directly into money), not so much readers of my website.

      I'm selling (mostly) ClickBank products. The great majority of people who buy ClickBank products by clicking on website links do that by getting to that link following one in an email they've opened, read, and paid attention to because it was from someone they trusted and respected.

      Originally Posted by Taniwha View Post

      This is one major parts that confuses me. Unless you publish it after you get it picked up by other sites/newsletters/newspapers.
      No; I always publish it first to secure the initial indexation rights for myself. This is fundamental to article marketing.

      The bottom line, for syndication specifically to blogs (which is only one part of my syndication efforts), is that there are really two types of bloggers who might publish someone else's content: those who publish content to please Google and those who publish content to please their readers/visitors. Some of the first group will publish only unique (not-previously-published), content, whereas the second (who generally have sites and traffic of much greater interest to me anyway - it's not all SEO traffic!) will decide to publish it or not to publish it according to the quality of the content (and how well they expect the content to match the needs of their readers). Speaking for myself, as I want to syndicate my content online, I focus on the second group and don't use up too much of my time trying to satisfy the first group. People with a strongly "SEO-based mentality" are of more limited value to me, anyway: their traffic mostly comes from search engines - I can get all I want of that for myself, both by accumulating initial indexation rights and by getting relevant-site (highly valuable) backlinks from syndicating my articles, anyway. I'm really trying to find something more valuable than just that sort of traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jeff Willy
    For me, I think the best source for you to post the articles is on your own website. You definitely need to have your own self-hosted Wordpress site where you can have full control and can publish articles there. After that, you may simply publish some supporting articles for your niche to various top tier directories like Ezine Articles and ArticlesBase. You may also submit articles on top Web 2.0 sites like Squidoo, Hubpages and so on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Jeff Caceres View Post

    After that, you may simply publish some supporting articles for your niche to various top tier directories like Ezine Articles and ArticlesBase. You may also submit articles on top Web 2.0 sites like Squidoo, Hubpages and so on.
    Ezine Articles is the only one of those four which will accept articles already published on your own site. Squidoo (which I wouldn't use, myself, for all the reasons explained here) and HubPages aren't article directories, of course, in any sense of the words. (I know that you know this - just clarifying it for others reading the thread! ).

    Originally Posted by mikedcarroll View Post

    I agree-Always your own site first!
    Undoubtedly. Always: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eza-first.html

    Originally Posted by mikedcarroll View Post

    Then you'll see other people get involved with it.
    You'll possibly see publishers (and thereby eventually others) get involved with it, by passive syndication from Ezine Articles (EZA's sole purpose), but this is slow, unreliable and very variable. You'll see far more people getting involved with it if you also syndicate it actively as described here, and here. Publishing articles on your own site, though it should always be the starting point for all sorts of other reasons, isn't in itself much of a way of generating new traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexGeorge
    I make sure to post articles to my site, then wait a few days so that it's indexed and won't hurt my rankings if I post it elsewhere. You can post it in a lot places like Ezine articles, HubPages or Squidoo. The only downside is that it can be hard getting traffic to all the different web pages.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by AlexGeorge View Post

      You can post it in a lot places like Ezine articles, HubPages or Squidoo.
      I'm afraid not. Call me pedantic but Squidoo isn't an article directory, and they don't allow you to post anything there that's already been published on your own site.

      The post immediately above yours explains this.

      As so many Warriors have found out and commented on, if you did that, it certainly wouldn't stay there for long, and neither would your account there, if you tried it twice. All of which leads to the ever-mystifying question: where does much of the "information" offered in threads like this really come from, and why?!
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        As so many Warriors have found out and commented on, if you did that, it certainly wouldn't stay there for long, and neither would your account there, if you tried it twice. All of which leads to the ever-mystifying question: where does much of the "information" offered in threads like this really come from, and why?!
        Seems the "flux capacitor" is running at full capacity, as there is so much info beaming in from 2005...
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        • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
          Alexa and others Kudos

          Thanks for giving us perspective from someone who is doing this as a job. The voice of experience is clear to me...

          I think that there were a few things left out of the discussion though so I will add them.

          6 Simple Article Marketing Boosters

          1) The first is to simply have a way to find places to syndicate articles. A search on Google using,

          niche ¨guest posts¨

          ie. real estate ¨guest posts¨

          and variations of such will give you a number of places to put content.

          2) The second is to look at the amount of traffic that the sites you find are getting using compete.com, quantcast, alexa, etc... Sites that are getting very little traffic can be ruled out.

          3) The third is to look at the site structure and the posting frequency. A great site that has great traffic (50,000+ per month) and an infrequent posting rate is preferable to a 1,0000,000+ visitor site if they publish 10 articles a day. (You drop off to quickly from the front page).

          4) The fourth is to look at the amount and quality of the comments on the articles that are published there. This indicates a higher quality of visitors and gives the author additional opportunities to show authority.

          5) The fifth is to include Google analytics on your site and look at the time that visitors from different sites spend on your site compared to the average.

          Why? Understanding what types of visitors are your best visitors pays huge dividends long term, and can direct you to the best places to syndicate content in the future.

          This was mentioned in the thread but more concisely.

          6) The sixth is simply, Article Marketing is about getting qualified traffic from other people´s sites. SEO is a possible benefit but not essential.
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          • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
            Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

            Alexa and others Kudos

            Thanks for giving us perspective from someone who is doing this as a job. The voice of experience is clear to me...

            I think that there were a few things left out of the discussion though so I will add them.

            6 Simple Article Marketing Boosters

            1) The first is to simply have a way to find places to syndicate articles. A search on Google using,

            niche ¨guest posts¨

            ie. real estate ¨guest posts¨

            and variations of such will give you a number of places to put content.

            2) The second is to look at the amount of traffic that the sites you find are getting using compete.com, quantcast, alexa, etc... Sites that are getting very little traffic can be ruled out.

            3) The third is to look at the site structure and the posting frequency. A great site that has great traffic (50,000+ per month) and an infrequent posting rate is preferable to a 1,0000,000+ visitor site if they publish 10 articles a day. (You drop off to quickly from the front page).

            4) The fourth is to look at the amount and quality of the comments on the articles that are published there. This indicates a higher quality of visitors and gives the author additional opportunities to show authority.

            5) The fifth is to include Google analytics on your site and look at the time that visitors from different sites spend on your site compared to the average.

            Why? Understanding what types of visitors are your best visitors pays huge dividends long term, and can direct you to the best places to syndicate content in the future.

            This was mentioned in the thread but more concisely.

            6) The sixth is simply, Article Marketing is about getting qualified traffic from other people´s sites. SEO is a possible benefit but not essential.
            Nice job, but I do have a partial disagreement on #2.

            Article marketing is a long-term strategy. Focusing on a traffic snapshot can bite you in the butt a couple of ways.

            Smaller blogs don't always stay small. If the blogger has a voice that resonates with you and looks like they are actively trying to grow, they may be worthwhile partners. They may also have a smaller but ideally targeted audience. Last, they may have a mailing list/newsletter that you might really want to appear in. Sites like quantcast don't show you those gems.

            Obviously, you don't want to waste your time on a ghost blog that hasn't been updated since Hanson was the new kid on the block, but focus on quality as well as quantity.

            As for the sites that do have big traffic, how are they getting it and where is it going? If 75% of their traffic never makes it past their home page, you can discount them unless your article is also on the home page. If they publish you, will you be buried in an archive even the spiders don't visit? (see #3, above).

            Logically, focusing on sites with big current traffic makes sense, but not if you don't get your share of eyeballs...
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            • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              Nice job, but I do have a partial disagreement on #2.

              Article marketing is a long-term strategy. Focusing on a traffic snapshot can bite you in the butt a couple of ways.

              Smaller blogs don't always stay small. If the blogger has a voice that resonates with you and looks like they are actively trying to grow, they may be worthwhile partners. They may also have a smaller but ideally targeted audience. Last, they may have a mailing list/newsletter that you might really want to appear in. Sites like quantcast don't show you those gems.

              Obviously, you don't want to waste your time on a ghost blog that hasn't been updated since Hanson was the new kid on the block, but focus on quality as well as quantity.
              Agreed but... Most little fish stay small and maintaining relationships takes time and energy. To me the question is what is the best use of your time to get the result that you want. If they are especially appealing them keeping them certainly makes sense as an exception to the rule. For the most part though existing traffic should be by far the disqualifier, something of a small number is still small or nothing.


              Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

              As for the sites that do have big traffic, how are they getting it and where is it going? If 75% of their traffic never makes it past their home page, you can discount them unless your article is also on the home page. If they publish you, will you be buried in an archive even the spiders don't visit? (see #3, above).
              I also agree with you on this and had not thought about figuring out where their traffic is coming from. When I spoke of looking at site structure I did mean looking at how articles are added to their site, how prominent new ones are, posting rates of new articles, etc...

              How would you go about figuring out where the traffic is coming from? I would probably use something like SpyFu but it is a little on the expensive side for most and would miss some sources.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                From my perspective, using the above metrics for screening websites/blogs is not only extremely laborious, but a needless waste of time. As John observed, focusing on a traffic snapshot can bite you in the butt.

                Being a simple kind of a guy, I would just send a query to the website/blog/ezine/newsletter/magazine along with the article, if the outlet targets my reading audience. IMNSHO, the amount of traffic is insignificant relative to the demographics of readers/subscribers.

                For any given commercially viable niche, there are thousands, or perhaps even hundreds of thousands of potential publishers for article syndication.

                Time would be better spent contacting as many relevant outlets as possible rather than being so anal about amount of traffic, site structure, posting frequency, and article comments.

                Butt, that's just me.
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                • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  From my perspective, using the above metrics for screening websites/blogs is not only extremely laborious, but a needless waste of time. As John observed, focusing on a traffic snapshot can bite you in the butt.

                  Being a simple kind of a guy, I would just send a query to the website/blog/ezine/newsletter/magazine along with the article, if the outlet targets my reading audience. IMNSHO, the amount of traffic is insignificant relative to the demographics of readers/subscribers.

                  For any given commercially viable niche, there are thousands, or perhaps even hundreds of thousands of potential publishers for article syndication.

                  Time would be better spent contacting as many relevant outlets as possible rather than being so anal about amount of traffic, site structure, posting frequency, and article comments.

                  Butt, that's just me.
                  Actually with scrapebox you can make a good part of this automated and look only at the about 5% of the thousands of outlets or less. Traffic follows a power law curve, very few sites have a lot of traffic. Granted you will miss some gems, but you are more likely to find gems in a diamond mine anyway.

                  If it is helpful I can explain how to use scrapebox to do the initial screen automatically.

                  Demographics can be also be targeted based on data that you get from google analytics about engagement, conversion, demographics, etc.. of visitors on your site coming from different kinds of sites. Figuring out the best kind of sites to post to that have traffic is even more lucrative and opens up other types of marketing as well depending on how well your funnel converts.

                  There are a lot of ways to be successful I try to find the fastest ways with the least effort.

                  Thanks for your thoughs

                  PS. I was a scientist in a former life and that along with a lot of years of experiece leads me to think the way that I do. I cannot however spell worth a damn and this computer spell checks Portuguese, sorry for any typos.
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

                    Actually with scrapebox you can make a good part of this automated and look only at the about 5% of the thousands of outlets or less. Traffic follows a power law curve, very few sites have a lot of traffic. Granted you will miss some gems, but you are more likely to find gems in a diamond mine anyway.

                    If it is helpful I can explain how to use scrapebox to do the initial screen automatically.

                    Demographics can be also be targeted based on data that you get from google analytics about engagement, conversion, demographics, etc.. of visitors on your site coming from different kinds of sites. Figuring out the best kind of sites to post to that have traffic is even more lucrative and opens up other types of marketing as well depending on how well your funnel converts.

                    There are a lot of ways to be successful I try to find the fastest ways with the least effort.

                    Thanks for your thoughs

                    PS. I was a scientist in a former life and that along with a lot of years of experiece leads me to think the way that I do. I cannot however spell worth a damn and this computer spell checks Portuguese, sorry for any typos.
                    Rather than chasing after high traffic sources or niches, I have always searched within broad networks or groups of people such as within associations, professions and specific demographics. This can span hundreds of highly profitable niches, and marketing to them is a matter of matching relevant products to an engaging funnel system.

                    Focusing on marketing by developing an affinity within specific groups of people who share a commonality of interests can open up a broad spectrum of lucrative niches and opportunities for referrals and cross-sales.

                    For article syndication, I target publications with demographics in which I can develop an affinity and establish relationships. For example, medical professionals, legal specialists, accountants, mechanical/electrical/aerospace engineers, managers in business/industry, academia faculty/researchers, trade associations, churches, civic groups, etc. People are multi-dimensional, and have a wide variety of interests which can often be monetized with effective list segmentation.

                    Typically, people with common interests, vocation, members of organizations, clubs, etc tend to have similar and often predictable buying patterns. This affinity approach is powerful, and was commonly known for decades among marketing researchers as "market basket analysis". Purchase behavior was analyzed for cross-promotions and capturing new buyers.

                    In more recent years (beginning about 20 years ago or so) it has evolved into "data mining" - using advanced statistical analysis. An excellent classic which covers this concept in detail is "Data Mining Techniques: For Marketing, Sales, and Customer Relationship Management", by Gordon S. Linoff and Michael J. Berry.

                    A superb example of data mining and market-basket analysis is Amazon's ingenious algorithm for suggesting "other" products, which has no readily apparent similarity to the original search or purchase. This is a common experience for Amazon affiliates, where the cross-over purchase is made in addition to (or sometimes instead of) the original product being promoted. Amazon spends millions of dollars a year studying consumer demographics and associated buying behavior.

                    All of my niches are in some of the most competitive arenas, because that is generally where not only the most money is most likely being spent, but is also where much of the marketing research has already been done. For example, blogs, ezines, newsletters, and offline publications targeted for specific demographics can provide suggestions on the types of products being sold by examining article content and recurring ads.

                    If your article writing can resonate with the reading audience of publications targeting your demographics, you've got a source for generating highly convertible traffic. And with the virtually unlimited scalability of article syndication, volume of traffic from any one single source is a relatively insignificant metric. The statistical probability of maximizing conversions is more of a correlation between the alignment of marketing for targeting demographics rather than targeting high traffic sites.

                    The article topics and ads contained within publications, websites, blogs, etc are strong probability indicators of what types of products are successfully marketed to the demographic profile of readers, which often include several niches. By using these methods and focusing on building a customer-centric business, where the targeted market affinity is well understood and demonstrated through content, you can beat the competition all-to-hell.

                    PS. I was a statistical analyst in economics for a large bank in my previous life. In all probability, the high level of success I've achieved in over 16 years of affiliate marketing has been due to my business model.
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                    • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
                      Wow, great post! This is easily one of the best that I have read,

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      For article syndication, I target publications with demographics in which I can develop an affinity and establish relationships. For example, medical professionals, legal specialists, accountants, mechanical/electrical/aerospace engineers, managers in business/industry, academia faculty/researchers, trade associations, churches, civic groups, etc. People are multi-dimensional, and have a wide variety of interests which can often be monetized with effective list segmentation.

                      Typically, people with common interests, vocation, members of organizations, clubs, etc tend to have similar and often predictable buying patterns. This affinity approach is powerful, and was commonly known for decades among marketing researchers as "market basket analysis". Purchase behavior was analyzed for cross-promotions and capturing new buyers.

                      In more recent years (beginning about 20 years ago or so) it has evolved into "data mining" - using advanced statistical analysis. An excellent classic which covers this concept in detail is "Data Mining Techniques: For Marketing, Sales, and Customer Relationship Management", by Gordon S. Linoff and Michael J. Berry.
                      I will get the book and thanks for the suggestion. I am familiar with this type of analysis but it is interesting to see how you are taking it to the next level.

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      A superb example of data mining and market-basket analysis is Amazon's ingenious algorithm for suggesting "other" products, which has no readily apparent similarity to the original search or purchase. This is a common experience for Amazon affiliates, where the cross-over purchase is made in addition to (or sometimes instead of) the original product being promoted. Amazon spends millions of dollars a year studying consumer demographics and associated buying behavior.
                      Amazon´s cross selling routines do do this, but in a way that is a bit simpler. They are trying to maximize visitor value and they do constant testing of items that purchasers of one item also buy. If customers find the other cross sold product interesting they keep it, othewise if they have something that performs better they use it. (I do a lot of sales through Amazon and have studied the system). They have created a self correcting positive feedback system around these ideas.

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      All of my niches are in some of the most competitive arenas, because that is generally where not only the most money is most likely being spent, but is also where much of the marketing research has already been done. For example, blogs, ezines, newsletters, and offline publications targeted for specific demographics can provide suggestions on the types of products being sold by examining article content and recurring ads.
                      Agreed, I also like using the adwords system to do reasearch. It can give you information on audience size, competing products, etc..

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      If your article writing can resonate with the reading audience of publications targeting your demographics, you've got a source for generating highly convertible traffic. And with the virtually unlimited scalability of article syndication, volume of traffic from any one single source is a relatively insignificant metric. The statistical probability of maximizing conversions is more of a correlation between the alignment of marketing for targeting demographics rather than targeting high traffic sites.
                      I like this idea very much, but wouldn´t it benefit you even more if you were getting more traffic from the very highest volume sources in this niche? You can even offer them special perks to feature your articles, etc.. This is the equivalent of list segmentation but lets call it syndication segmentation. Websites with similiar audience sizes and interests are also prone to the same statistical principals as different interest groups, if they are receiving similiar types of traffic.

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      The article topics and ads contained within publications, websites, blogs, etc are strong probability indicators of what types of products are successfully marketed to the demographic profile of readers, which often include several niches. By using these methods and focusing on building a customer-centric business, where the targeted market affinity is well understood and demonstrated through content, you can beat the competition all-to-hell.
                      Woohoo, you just gave me a new idea on how to find highly related sites via tracking ads instead of content. That should be very interesting.

                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      PS. I was a statistical analyst in economics for a large bank in my previous life. In all probability, the high level of success I've achieved in over 16 years of affiliate marketing has been due to my business model.
                      Not surprising at all. Most of the people that figure out and improve systems in IM seem to have some formal training in doing experimentation or analysis. They literally ¨know what to look for¨ and they are not afraid to get their hands dirty doing it. I am happy to hear you have been succesful for so long, you´ve got me beat by 2 years Thank you very much for your valuable thoughts and your time.
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                      • Profile picture of the author myob
                        Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

                        I like this idea very much, but wouldn´t it benefit you even more if you were getting more traffic from the very highest volume sources in this niche? You can even offer them special perks to feature your articles, etc.. This is the equivalent of list segmentation but lets call it syndication segmentation. Websites with similiar audience sizes and interests are also prone to the same statistical principals as different interest groups, if they are receiving similiar types of traffic.
                        That's a fair question, but my marketing model is tightly focused more on establishing working relationships with publishers (ezines, newsletters, and offline outlets such as magazines, newspapers, etc) who have reading audiences compatible with my targeted demographics. I never promote any "niche" product without first developing an affinity within a targeted group and subsequent processing through my funnel system. Subscribers obtained from reading my articles are led on a progressive journey of discovery with daily multiple-communication channels of valuable content and incrementally higher end product promotions from affiliate programs such as Clickbank, Amazon, etc.

                        Rather than seeking sources with highest traffic volume, I look for sources using much higher value criteria such as relevance, authority, continuity, etc. My marketing model really is about building assets in the form of syndicated partner outlets and subsequently developing and maintaining buyer subscriber lists. These are real business assets, just as for example chainstores that are building new outlets within their target markets. Each outlet may have hundreds, thousands or perhaps even hundreds of thousands of potential buyers.

                        IMNSHO, article syndication is an unbeatable marketing model when used as an asset-based paradigm for leveraging expansion within targeted niches. The real power of article syndication is unleashed when your writing stands on its own merits and is accepted by publishers as "featured articles". In addition, there is a subtle but very powerful effect with articles in special interest, association, or esoteric publications (generally much lower traffic/circulation): the reading audience often assumes an implied endorsement is being made by the publisher for article content. The resulting traffic is laser-targeted with dramatically higher conversion rates. This concept of leveraged marketing (content-driven traffic) has been used long before the internet, and continues virtually unchanged today in print media, radio, TV, and other online/offline marketing channels.

                        And now, more than ever before, publishers are hungry for quality content. A good writer can still break into virtually any niche, no matter how stiff the competition may be. This marketing model of article syndication is a dynamic, asset-building process. It does take time to grow, but over time it can become a massively powerful traffic-generating tool with practically unlimited scalability. For any given commercially viable niche, there may be hundreds, thousands, or perhaps even hundreds of thousands of online/offline publication outlets suitable for syndication. Growth is exponential, because each new outlet addition may in turn contribute hundreds if not hundreds of thousands of prospects within readership of your articles.

                        In stark contrast to SEO, where one must usually search for "low competition" keywords/phrases to rank, the more competitive niches generally provide greater opportunities for article syndication publication. The most difficult concept for writers to understand (sometimes including my own employees) is the real conversion power of words, and the difference between using the right words for SEO ranking and choosing the best words to connect with your targeted reading audience.

                        Some excellent reference books I have often recommended here on the WF include: "Turn Words Into Traffic" by Jim and Dallas Edwards, "Elements of Style" by William Strunk, "Brand Against the Machine" by John Morgan, and "The AP Stylebook". Seriously, these are minimum core essentials that I demand for all of my writers/researchers.
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                        • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          Rather than seeking sources with highest traffic volume, I look for sources using much higher value criteria such as relevance, authority, continuity, etc. My marketing model really is about building assets in the form of syndicated partner outlets and subsequently developing and maintaining buyer subscriber lists. These are real business assets, just as for example chainstores that are building new outlets within their target markets. Each outlet may have hundreds, thousands or perhaps even hundreds of thousands of potential buyers.
                          When I was reading this I got an eerie feeling of déjà vu. Warren Buffet described how early in his career he looked for cheap insurance stocks. His focus was on buying assets for less than their actual book value. Buffet ended up though changing his criteria over time to include quality, market leadership, and honesty to stockholders. I can see in the long term that your criteria are going to keep you partnered with those syndication outlets that will end up dominant in their "niche" areas. Thank you for that insight.

                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          IMNSHO, article syndication is an unbeatable marketing model when used as an asset-based paradigm for leveraging expansion within targeted niches.
                          I agree completely and this is the primary reason that I find article syndication so powerful. Expandable assets that can be integrated into existing optimized systems seamlessly are extremely powerful.

                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          The real power of article syndication is unleashed when your writing stands on its own merits and is accepted by publishers as "featured articles".
                          I agree that what you ask to be featured should merit being featured, but people tend to get into a rut and asking for special treatment can change the way that you are treated in subtle ways. If you have not already read, Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion by Robert Cialdini I think you would enjoy it. Strangely if someone says no or yes the first time you make a request they are more likely to say yes the second time you ask for something.


                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          The most difficult concept for writers to understand (sometimes including my own employees) is the real conversion power of words, and the difference between using the right words for SEO ranking and choosing the best words to connect with your targeted reading audience.
                          The most interesting use of this I ever saw was with Frank Kern. He had an email marketing program he was selling with a demographic target of 40-45 year old men. Kern purposely used cool guy slang from the 1980's , duchbag, gnarly, etc.. It was entertaining, had no SEO value at all of course, but plugged into the psyche of his target audience perfectly.

                          Originally Posted by myob View Post

                          Some excellent reference books I have often recommended here on the WF include: "Turn Words Into Traffic" by Jim and Dallas Edwards, "Elements of Style" by William Strunk, "Brand Against the Machine" by John Morgan, and "The AP Stylebook". Seriously, these are minimum core essentials that I demand for all of my writers/researchers.
                          Sounds like I have some light reading to do I have used Elements of Style but the rest are new to me. Thank you.

                          MYOB I wish to thank you as well for taking the time to detail your article syndication system, your thoughts, as well as other references. I can tell that you took your time and really went overboard to help me understand your system. I love building systems, optimizing them, and then having other people help me run them. You have saved me a great deal of time and effort and it is much appreciated.
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

                Agreed but... Most little fish stay small and maintaining relationships takes time and energy. To me the question is what is the best use of your time to get the result that you want. If they are especially appealing them keeping them certainly makes sense as an exception to the rule. For the most part though existing traffic should be by far the disqualifier, something of a small number is still small or nothing.
                It depends on what you mean by "relationship". Sending a query letter with a sample article, and maybe a follow-up isn't all that laborious. If they accept my offer to join my syndicate, delivering new content to 1,000 takes the same amount of time as delivering to 1.

                In addition, you never know who will read your articles. Think about the game of Six Degrees of Separation - it doesn't take many shares or passalongs to put you in front of even more outlets.

                If you want to focus on direct traffic numbers, have at it. Different strokes for different folks.

                Originally Posted by sterlingtek View Post

                I also agree with you on this and had not thought about figuring out where their traffic is coming from. When I spoke of looking at site structure I did mean looking at how articles are added to their site, how prominent new ones are, posting rates of new articles, etc...

                How would you go about figuring out where the traffic is coming from? I would probably use something like SpyFu but it is a little on the expensive side for most and would miss some sources.
                I wouldn't spend a whole lot of time figuring out a site's traffic sources on the whole. I don't really care. If they get big traffic as reported by your source of choice, I assume they are getting most of it from sources capable of delivering big traffic - search, advertising, media buys, etc.

                I'm more interested in where they are getting traffic to internal content similar to what I would be providing. If I do anything at all, I'll take a quick look at the incoming links to those internal pages. Are people linking to articles? Are those articles showing up on other sites (as in, are they syndicated)? Is there any social activity?

                I agree that it's a numbers game, at least in this aspect. We just focus on different numbers.

                BTW, I was an engineer in a past life myself...
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                • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
                  Thanks for taking time to give me some of your insight. I through this discussion I have quite a bit of food for thought as well as a couple of experiments in mind. It does not surprise me at all that you were an engineer. You have a very practicle way of going about things.

                  I agree very strongly that traffic to internal pages is the crucial measure for article syndication. I believe that social engagement through blog comments, etc.. of the audience is one of the best measures of this. I also like your suggesting as to looking at if links to inner pages are occuring, that is an excellent suggestion and can be automated. Do you have any others that you find usefull?

                  Thanks,
                  Chris

                  PS. What i mean by relationship is treating your syndication network like they were subscribers to your newsletter, who are are prospective purchasers. What you are selling though is quite different, you might want to convince them to give you ¨featured article status¨ where they pin your article to the front page for 24,48, etc.. hours, featured status in a newsletter, etc.. etc... This is a short term push but can have long term advantages if they have a ¨favorite blog posts¨ lists, your social engagement gets high enough, or a lot of ¨real¨ links are built to the article, etc..
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  • Profile picture of the author ashwinvidiyala
    I would get my own website and post it to my own blog. Then I would promote that blog through social media.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    Ezine Articles and Squidoo are great platforms to market your articles.
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  • Profile picture of the author TimothyTorrents
    Forget about article directories.

    I keep reading posts like this and even though Alexa takes the time to explain why submitting articles to directories is no longer useful there are always a bunch of other posters recommending article directories. Ignore the other posters.

    I think the most effective type of article marketing would be to simply contact website owners and send one of the articles you wish to publish. Most website owners would be happy to publish new articles as long as they are informative and well-written. Make it a habit of contacting website owners and sending them your articles.

    Not sure how to do that? I recommend checking out this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/member-c...ndication.html

    Forget about article directories. Focus on article marketing.
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  • Profile picture of the author tacitinc
    I don't see many ppl mentioning streetarticles.com ?

    I have been using them for years along side the other big fish & on some niches street articles is getting just as much traffic as ezine jus sayin
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  • Profile picture of the author JackiPigford
    For fast results guest posting is the best way but you can use articles directories too for traffic and back links. You can follow the following steps for best and long term results.

    1- write guest post.
    2- write a unique article and post it to major article directories.
    3- write unique article and post it in squiddo and hub pages
    4- create web2.0 properties blogs up to five channles and post your articles on these blogs.
    5- share your article links, web2.o links on social media platforms like Facebook, Google+, Twitter etc..

    6- convert your article in PDF document and share it on doc sharing websites

    Hope you will find it helpful.
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  • Profile picture of the author Roy Jones
    Many time i makes search on Google for a specific keyword i found some articles sites of relevant content to keyword
    Ezine
    Goarticles
    Selfgrowth
    Articlebase

    So i think these are best.
    Even better if you include blog in site and post there.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevin timothy
    Personally I feel that the best place is right on your
    very own blog. If it's self hosted then even better!
    Publishing good content on your own site versus
    someone elses will always be more beneficial.

    You're not subject to the rules of the article directory,
    and on a self hosted blog you can monetize it as you
    wish. Of course, your content has to be SEO so that
    your blog attracts organic traffic.

    If it's a new blog it will take some time for search
    engines to notice. Where as if you post on a directory
    it will get noticed quicker - they're more established
    than your new site.

    Publishing articles on your own site will require a
    strenuous boost initially. For example, let your social
    media connections know about it and your subscriber
    list....consistently. After a while search engine traffic
    will take over naturally.
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  • Profile picture of the author Arnold JVR
    Hi, I just post to ezinearticles, Goarticles etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author PaulSolid
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    Article Syndication is the way Just like Alexa always preaches about it here. i will post the article on my site first, Once articles is on my site and indexed, I submit the article to EZineArticles for (hopefully) syndication. Guess posts always works perfectly with article marketing. with that you gain more with your article.

    I recently submitted 2 articles to EZA and just been getting few views, little clicks and no conversation. So don't relay on article directions. it seem to me they are not that much effective just like before.
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMarketingLord
    I always use the following 3 Getting great results from them SEO-wise!

    Ezine Articles

    ArticlesBase

    GoArticles

    Do remember that if there are some article directories in YOUR NICHE, they can be really powerful!

    Cheers!

    Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author tyson4
    Wow great thread, fantastic advice for us all!

    One question, might be a stupid one, I've seen some software that blasts your articles to a number of different destinations eg ezinearticles, etc

    Are they any good? Or not?
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    • Profile picture of the author sterlingtek
      Originally Posted by tyson4 View Post

      Wow great thread, fantastic advice for us all!

      One question, might be a stupid one, I've seen some software that blasts your articles to a number of different destinations eg ezinearticles, etc

      Are they any good? Or not?
      Not for article syndication that gets traffic. They can get you some low power links which might benefit you. If you want to test it out without spending more than $5 you can go to fiverr. There are several good providers there I have used Mikemeth before and he does a good job. I will warn you though that I have used this for SEO on huge sites with high PR, I would not use this for a small site that has few existing links and I would be careful to get diversity in my link text.

      You may want to just post to ezinearticles and goarticles, those two sites do at times generate syndication of your content onto relevant sites. You can find other sites to post on using google searches as detailed above. Get them on an email list and wallah you have a "automated bot" that will actually bring you some traffic.
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  • Profile picture of the author blackli0n
    I agree with Alexa completely! The best place to post your articles is ON YOUR WEBSITE! If you want to put stuff on other sites, then at least put 80% of your work on YOUR SITE.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by blackli0n View Post

      I agree with Alexa completely! The best place to post your articles is ON YOUR WEBSITE! If you want to put stuff on other sites, then at least put 80% of your work on YOUR SITE.
      It seems you have misunderstood Alexa completely! :rolleyes:

      She has never said the best place is on your website. Reread her posts, beginning with #3.
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  • Profile picture of the author WarTiger
    Originally Posted by PlayedaBlinder View Post

    Hi guys

    Where do you post your articles for best results? After Google pulled the rug out from under the traditional article sites where do we go from here?

    Mike

    Here is some article directories

    EzineArticles.com
    GoArticles.com
    ArticleDashboard.com
    SearchWarp.com
    ArticlesBase.com
    iSnare.com
    SelfGrowth.com
    Buzzle.com
    ArticleCity.com
    IdeaMarketers.com
    ArticleAlley.com
    Web-*‐Source.net
    SelfSEO.com
    Amazines.com
    ArticleTrader.com
    SearchGuild.com
    WebWorldIndex.com
    ArticleSphere.com
    BusinessKnowHow.com
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by tyson4 View Post

      Wow great thread, fantastic advice for us all!

      One question, might be a stupid one, I've seen some software that blasts your articles to a number of different destinations eg ezinearticles, etc

      Are they any good? Or not?
      Depends on how you define "good". If you mean that they will automate the process of spreading your article across a large number of sites that will never be seen by human eyes and never taken seriously by spiders, some of them are very good.

      If you define good as destroying any chance a new site has of ranking for anything by creating a large number of irrelevant junk links very quickly, some are excellent.

      If you mean "will this software help me put my articles in front of targeted potential buyers in such a way as to build long term relationships with real publishers", they pretty much all suck.
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      • Profile picture of the author Slin
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Depends on how you define "good". If you mean that they will automate the process of spreading your article across a large number of sites that will never be seen by human eyes and never taken seriously by spiders, some of them are very good.

        If you define good as destroying any chance a new site has of ranking for anything by creating a large number of irrelevant junk links very quickly, some are excellent.

        If you mean "will this software help me put my articles in front of targeted potential buyers in such a way as to build long term relationships with real publishers", they pretty much all suck.
        I guess it's not a software but I have received, and still do receive good traffic from articles that I sent through Unique Article Wizard.
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