Amazon Affiliate Income-Is it really possible to make over 1000 a month?

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I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
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  • Profile picture of the author 8485marketing
    The key thing with Amazon referrals is that you promote high ticket items, I had a high ticket kitchen and homeware site that would regularly surpass the $1000 per month. I didnt have many amazon accounts though, and I would use my smaller 'satellite' sites to sell larger number of low value items to push up the commission levels so that i could recoup more on the higher priced items.

    I think thats the only way you can do it. I wonder if someone else here has some input that can be beneficial to you.

    I only have one amazon site at the moment and that is in the process of development. Its just so time consuming to get set up. If done nicely you can usually sell them on for a nice price too.
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    • Profile picture of the author fedor50
      Originally Posted by 8485marketing View Post

      The key thing with Amazon referrals is that you promote high ticket items, I had a high ticket kitchen and homeware site that would regularly surpass the $1000 per month. I didnt have many amazon accounts though, and I would use my smaller 'satellite' sites to sell larger number of low value items to push up the commission levels so that i could recoup more on the higher priced items.

      I think thats the only way you can do it. I wonder if someone else here has some input that can be beneficial to you.

      I only have one amazon site at the moment and that is in the process of development. Its just so time consuming to get set up. If done nicely you can usually sell them on for a nice price too.
      This. in addition to my experience it's just as difficult to sell a low priced item as it is a high priced one.also you must perform SEO for your site to help you bring in some organic traffic
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  • Profile picture of the author vavilen
    It is possible especially when you find a low-maintenance method of generating some commissions and scale it up.
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  • Profile picture of the author matt5409
    I'm sure it's possible, but for me it's proven easy to learn, hard to master.

    I have experimented with small sites, large sites, single pages, blogs, pure HTML sites, and I always hit that glass ceiling. I can NEVER make a substantial amount. I have around $100/month in pure passive (I haven't touched the sites in over 6 months), but this is dwindling. however when I was working flat out every day, I still didn't see a marked improvement, or anything like a full-time income even on the horizon. I gave up, but I'm sure there is some sort of formula out there...
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  • Profile picture of the author fedor50
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    Yes, there are many amazon affiliates who I personally know who make good money with their amazon sites. But these people know how to rank their sites high in the search engines, the right "buyer" keywords to target,etc. But yes it is possible
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    I'm sure it's possible, but for me it's proven easy to learn, hard to master.
    Yes I know the feeling of easy to lean and hard to master.

    but I'm sure there is some sort of formula out there...
    Yes I agree, there must be a formula out there. It is just finding out what it is and learning how to use it and make it work. There are many amazon ebooks and courses out there for generating Amazon affiliate income, but which ones work and do they work?
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  • Profile picture of the author 8485marketing
    Target long tail term specific keywords for something you are promoting, if you yourself have bought it, do a review of it, if you haven't, find someone who has and ask if you can include that review on your site.

    With specific long tail keywords the person searching knows exactly what they are after, usually a hot prospect and if your product write up is more personal and not the amazon standard that hundreds or thousands of others have for it, then you really do stand a better chance of getting the sale.

    Video product reviews are also a very good way to do it. If you look on youtube, you'll find two young women who have done reviews for thousands of beauty products and each video has thousands of views and with new products such as perfumes being released all the time, they really are making a killing through amazon and various other affiliate networks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    do a review of it, if you haven't, find someone who has and ask if you can include that review on your site.
    That is a good idea, Thanks for sharing that tip, but what about duplicate content? Would Google consider that as duplicate content?
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  • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    what about duplicate content? Would Google consider that as duplicate content?
    No. Google won't consider it duplicate content because it isn't duplicate content.

    Duplicate content, in this context, refers to having multiple copies of the same file within one domain.

    It's explained here (in the context of articles - but the principle is exactly the same): Article Marketers – Lay the Duplicate Content Myth To Rest Once and For All - Internet Marketing and Publishing Blog

    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    Amazon Affiliate Income-Is it really possible to make over 1000 a month?
    Unquestionably. There are people making many multiples of that income from it.

    It was a very late addition to my own affiliate marketing (I've only been doing it for a few months, and more or less as an afterthought to my main business) but I already make over $1,000 per month from Amazon.

    If you compare it with something like ClickBank, commissions are typically smaller but conversion-rates far higher.

    Like almost all affiliate marketing, your income from it will depend on how good you are at list-building, communicating with your subscribers, establishing credibility and trust, and the extent to which people are willing to rely on the strength of the recommendations and representations you make because it's you who are making them. However much some people like to pretend otherwise, that's just "what it's all about", really.

    There are one or two (I think literally one, or maybe two) people who claim that it's possible to earn substantial four-figure monthly incomes from Amazon without list-building, but for myself, whenever I try to look at what they're doing, it always appears to me that selling "information"/"services"/"products" to beginning marketers - rather than Amazon affiliateship itself - might actually be their primary source of income.

    To earn significant money from affiliate marketing, you need to do three things ...

    (i) Keep your potential customers returning to the sales page (because not so many people buy anthing much at their first visit to a sales page!);

    (ii) Make increasing sales (ideally at progressively higher prices) to the same "captive audience" who regularly rely on and trust your recommendations;

    (iii) Establish the credibility and trust necessary to do both the above by earning's people respect as a provider of niche-related information.

    Without building lists, of course, you can't do any of the three and you'd just be throwing away almost all the traffic you ever generate that doesn't buy anything immediately.

    What kind of way to run a business would that be?

    For most people, most of the time, it's just about as simple as that, overall.

    These three threads are more informative ...
    Is it a good idea to spend some time on building a mailing list ?
    Without Building a List, How Consistent is Your Income from Affiliate Marketing
    Does anyone even make money online without an email list?
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Wow Amazon Affiliate for 3 years and on significant income? How have you been promoting yourself so far?
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    Wow Amazon Affiliate for 3 years and on significant income? How have you been promoting yourself so far?
    Well when I first started I did not know a lot and then was side tracked with other things in my life. I'm now at a different point in my life to where I'm looking to increase my knowledge and income.
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    • Profile picture of the author tjk1058
      I have seen some great courses here from some reputable sellers that might be able to help you speed up your learning curve. There was just one listed recently for 1 on 1 coaching for the Christmas season maybe you can still get in on?

      Either way... try to learn from people who are already doing it and can steer you in the right direction as it can save you a tone of time and expense.

      Good luck...

      TedK

      Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

      Well when I first started I did not know a lot and then was side tracked with other things in my life. I'm now at a different point in my life to where I'm looking to increase my knowledge and income.
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    • Profile picture of the author aliahmadikram
      The main element factor with Amazon online recommendations can be that you just promote higher solution things, I needed a higher solution cooking area as well as homeware web page that might regularly exceed.
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  • Profile picture of the author BarryOnline
    It's a process...

    1) Find buyer keywords with high search volume
    2) Build an attractive and branded niche review site built around the topic of those keywords
    3) Create in depth high quality product reviews and add them to the site
    4) Make sure your reviews are in-depth, well formatted and convert
    5) Rank the site for those buyer keywords and you have targeted buyer traffic coming to your site
    6) Turn the traffic into cash!
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  • Profile picture of the author Al Anshori
    try not only using review site or amazon store .
    try other method like youtube, pinterest, etc

    and if you find a way to make money, just duplicate it
    you can outsource it also to duplicate it
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  • Profile picture of the author mlord10
    No question it's possible...but I personally am not a huge fan of Amazon affiliate marketing right now.

    My personal experience (and I want to stress this is my experience, I'm sure others are doing better) is that Amazon is actually a lot harder to make money with than other affiliate programs.

    I prefer selling products where I can earn 100% commissions, and make hundreds, even thousands of $$$ off of just one sale (including recurring, monthly commissions). These are mostly digital products (and not just Clickbank either, probably one affiliate program you may not have heard of) where the margins are much higher for me.

    Much easier to have profitable campaigns this way in my personal opinion.
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    • Profile picture of the author Robsand
      Amazon has a tremendous amount of consumer trust. If you're selling a product that nobody has ever heard of it is going to be a tougher sale than pointing someone to Amazon via a product review.

      Originally Posted by mlord10 View Post

      No question it's possible...but I personally am not a huge fan of Amazon affiliate marketing right now.

      My personal experience (and I want to stress this is my experience, I'm sure others are doing better) is that Amazon is actually a lot harder to make money with than other affiliate programs.


      Much easier to have profitable campaigns this way in my personal opinion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Miguelito203
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    There are two things you need to do. First, promote higher-priced items. Although this can scare some affiliates off, the thing you have to remember is that for the person buying the product, it's not about the actual cost but the perceived value they will get from it. Would you pay $500 or $1,000 for something that solves a problem you've dealt with for years or that will more than pay for itself in the long run? Most people would.

    Secondly, you need to cross promote items. Let's say that you're in the video game niche. Instead of just promoting the video game itself, it would be better if you did a main review of the video game while also promoted a game system and other things that the person who purchases the game might to into as like additional resources or whatever. This is a good way to remind them to pick up things that they may have forgotten about. Make sense?

    Good luck,
    Joey
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    • Profile picture of the author frankliu
      I think it is possible
      Depends on the traffic and quality of review articles
      Write more guest post to others websitesite is the best SEO methods
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  • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
    Thanks for the great suggestions and ideas. This gives me a place to start additional research on my desire to increase my Amazon affiliate income. Some of the tips you suggested did not occur to me.
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    • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
      I was just reading over all the suggestions and there are some good ones. A couple suggested that you need to "Rank the Keyword" for that product. Anyone have a site or other material that will teach you about ranking keywords?

      I have been doing some research and from what I have read you need to get back links as that is the key to ranking plus good SEO.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Yes, many of us are making very good money as Amazon affiliates. They key to earning good money as an affiliate is good, targeted traffic. If you can get lots of people who are late in the buying cycle to your site, you will earn. The way to do this is to target specific products, not generic terms. For example, which term better indicates a visitor is ready to buy: "mattresses" or "serta perfect sleeper x5400 mattress"?

    Sure, I may get more traffic by ranking for "mattresses" but I'd much rather get a bunch of traffic from "serta perfect sleeper x5400 mattress" and related terms.

    My recommendation to folks is to stick with easy-to-rank products. By targeting low competition products, ranking becomes significantly easier and you can spend more of your time creating content rather than building backlinks.
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  • Profile picture of the author MovingAround
    I have read that Google dislikes sites with a lot of Amazon links as the SE treats Amazon as affiliate links too so I assume that by having a site which makes money via Amazon you would not be getting much Google traffic which is indispensable to making money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author tantivy
      It's not impossible to earn $1K a month as amazon affiliate, you just have to do it right, find what's work and what's not.

      See this guy (the link below) I read before I ventured as an Amazon affiliate. I told myself I can also do that. And so his early journey prove to be a common path for newbies. I wonder how much does he earns now.

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  • Profile picture of the author Adie
    Although it's possible, its pretty hard. I would spend my time promoting CB products than Amazon.
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    • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
      Originally Posted by Adie View Post

      Although it's possible, its pretty hard. I would spend my time promoting CB products than Amazon.
      I disagree, a lot. Usually you need a lot of time convincing people to buy clickbank products, and so have low conversion rates.

      Amazon is selling products that people already buy, they literally have their credit card out.

      Compare selling a clickbank product that targets a keyword like "how to lose weight fast"

      with an amazon review of a juicer against the keyword "Breville XXL Juicer review"


      I strongly believe that both methods can be highly profitable, and finding a clear winner is difficult, but calling Amazon "hard" is just wrong.
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      • Profile picture of the author Adie
        Originally Posted by Chrisbroholm View Post

        I disagree, a lot. Usually you need a lot of time convincing people to buy clickbank products, and so have low conversion rates.

        Amazon is selling products that people already buy, they literally have their credit card out.

        Compare selling a clickbank product that targets a keyword like "how to lose weight fast"

        with an amazon review of a juicer against the keyword "Breville XXL Juicer review"

        I strongly believe that both methods can be highly profitable, and finding a clear winner is difficult, but calling Amazon "hard" is just wrong.
        I am running both authority sites in Clickbank and Amazon and both sites are now in their 3 years old with nearly thousands of pages. My Amazon earning is more than 12 times lower than CB and I think that's enough data to convince myself why I prefer CB....
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        • Profile picture of the author Chrisbroholm
          Originally Posted by Adie View Post

          I am running both authority sites in Clickbank and Amazon and both sites are now in their 3 years old with nearly thousands of pages. My Amazon earning is more than 12 times lower than CB and I think that's enough data to convince myself why I prefer CB....
          I wasn't questioning your preference, I'm sure that both can work very well. What I argued against was calling it hard. Congratulations on your success with CB
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  • Profile picture of the author Online Guru
    $1000 Is not that much hard if you choose the right niche and then have targeted traffic in your website. Just keep patience and see the result .

    Best of Luck !
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  • Profile picture of the author Manoj V
    Yes, it is indeed possible to make over $1000 a month. In fact it is possible to make $1000 from the sale of a single item!

    The key is to find high-priced items that sell and put it in front of people who need it whether it is via free or paid SEO, PPC or other forms of paid traffic. Here is a list of items I found during a random search on Amazon:

    1. Clive Christian Imperial Majesty Perfume for Women 16.9 oz Perfume
    Price - $435,000 | 15 customer reviews

    2. Sigma 200-500mm f/2.8 APO EX DG Ultra-Telephoto Zoom Lens
    Price - $25999 | 51 customer reviews

    3. 120293-0001REVK microsemiconductor
    Price - $10,000,000 | 23 customer reviews

    4. 21' Preferred (All Aluminum) Bleachers
    Price - $13,897.59 | 19 customer reviews

    5. Art of Dog [Hardcover]
    Price - $99,999 | 8 customer reviews

    6. Datastroyer Model 1000 Disintegrator
    Price - $127,769 | 17 customer reviews

    As you can figure out from the number of reviews, people are buying them in large numbers as only a few actually leave reviews after buying online.

    My point is there are hundreds/ thousands of products that can yield you a commission upwards of $1000 on Amazon. You need to take the trouble of doing suitable research, find them and promote them well. If you pick low priced items without doing enough research on how much competition exists for them and whether people will buy them online, not be clear on how to promote them and various other factors - you are bound to earn only pennies from your efforts.

    Of course low-priced items must be given due importance since their sales numbers can bump up your commission rates during the month. You need to have a good mix of high-priced and low-priced items so that you can earn commissions at the highest rate that Amazon offers.



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    • Profile picture of the author Gsdlady
      You are correct, I have been thinking of high to medium priced items. It did not occur to me to search for the really high priced expensive items. Thanks for sharing and the info you provided.
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    • Profile picture of the author qwerty101
      Originally Posted by Max P View Post

      Yes, it is indeed possible to make over $1000 a month. In fact it is possible to make $1000 from the sale of a single item!

      The key is to find high-priced items that sell and put it in front of people who need it whether it is via free or paid SEO, PPC or other forms of paid traffic. Here is a list of items I found during a random search on Amazon:

      1. Clive Christian Imperial Majesty Perfume for Women 16.9 oz Perfume
      Price - $435,000 | 15 customer reviews

      2. Sigma 200-500mm f/2.8 APO EX DG Ultra-Telephoto Zoom Lens
      Price - $25999 | 51 customer reviews

      3. 120293-0001REVK microsemiconductor
      Price - $10,000,000 | 23 customer reviews

      4. 21' Preferred (All Aluminum) Bleachers
      Price - $13,897.59 | 19 customer reviews

      5. Art of Dog [Hardcover]
      Price - $99,999 | 8 customer reviews

      6. Datastroyer Model 1000 Disintegrator
      Price - $127,769 | 17 customer reviews

      As you can figure out from the number of reviews, people are buying them in large numbers as only a few actually leave reviews after buying online.

      My point is there are hundreds/ thousands of products that can yield you a commission upwards of $1000 on Amazon. You need to take the trouble of doing suitable research, find them and promote them well. If you pick low priced items without doing enough research on how much competition exists for them and whether people will buy them online, not be clear on how to promote them and various other factors - you are bound to earn only pennies from your efforts.

      Of course low-priced items must be given due importance since their sales numbers can bump up your commission rates during the month. You need to have a good mix of high-priced and low-priced items so that you can earn commissions at the highest rate that Amazon offers.



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      I read somewhere that Amazon caps the commission at 25$, though this may only be for certain electronics. I am not sure someone would make above this amount on these above stated high end items..Does anyone have any other information about the commission on higher priced items?
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      • Profile picture of the author wordwizard
        Originally Posted by qwerty101 View Post

        I read somewhere that Amazon caps the commission at 25$, though this may only be for certain electronics. I am not sure someone would make above this amount on these above stated high end items..Does anyone have any other information about the commission on higher priced items?
        I'm pretty sure that's not true! Why would any one bother promoting big ticket items if they capped the commissions at $25!

        In fact, I'm only getting started working on my new Amazon affiliate sites...
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    • Profile picture of the author mkathy056
      After trying Clickbank, Amazon seems like a better outfit. Do you agree?
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  • Profile picture of the author BizOpGuru
    As the commissions are so low (last time I checked it was 5%) you'd have to either sell very high priced items or a large number of lower-to-medium priced items with lots of different income streams (10+ high performing review websites for example).

    Amazon does have an excellent level of trust associated as already mentioned which can be used to your advantage in conversion rate optimization.

    In my experience, it's much better to join multiple different affiliate networks in different niches to create multiple income streams and safe-guard your income incase of a decline in any particular market.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    I typically focus on products in the $100+ range (preferably $400+) and I do very well. That said, I also have some sites that promote products in the $40-$100 range. What matters is that you rank and actually get traffic to whatever it is that you are promoting. Once you have late-cycle "buying" traffic on your site, you will make sales and suddenly, $1000/month is cake.
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    good question...even i keep wondering this
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  • Profile picture of the author prismkuet
    Earning from amazon is one of the toughest thing. I also saw a lot of people showing their big cheques of payments where my experience is really bad. I have struggled for years for earning with amazon's and still now that is not satisfactory. But those who are showing big earning may have different strategy and that makes them successful on that field!
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  • Profile picture of the author JayParker
    If you promote high ticket items you can make much more than that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Franklin
    As wolfmmiii has said earlier, with Amazon you can focus on those keywords that attract buyers which are the product keywords. Go after those specfic product keywords!

    There are so many product keywords out there and a large percentage of them have really soft competition. Don't just look at the highest priced products! Furthermore, new products are ALWAYS coming out.
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  • Profile picture of the author majes
    you have to choose the right products. unique articles and a high converting theme. A pure review site is not easy to make money today.
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  • Profile picture of the author Hamida Harland
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post


    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts?
    Alot probably aren't real. It's very easy to fake numbers in a screen shot unfortunately. It is however possible to make $1000+ per month and there are plenty people doing it.

    I think alot of people fail with Amazon just because they don't generate enough traffic. If your average Amazon commission is about $7-$10 you can hit your target with less than 150 sales. If you take your conversion rate and your CTR into consideration, it's pretty easy to work out exactly how much traffic you need to make $1000.

    I don't know what you're promoting, but many products see a huge spike in traffic and conversions from October onwards. My conversion rate for certain Christmas related products last year was over 20%.
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  • Profile picture of the author easternodyssey
    It depends on what they are selling and how large there website is. Any website with, +5,000 page views per month could easily reach this point. However, getting there is never that easy.
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  • Profile picture of the author LukeDavenport
    YES! it is very possible, i know guys who are making great commissions from physical and digital products via amazon. A lot of them switched over from commission junction for physical products. I was amazed.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Things to consider. How much are you paying for traffic, are you just going with organic results.

    Yes I make some money with amazon sites but I pay for the traffic also.

    I do not believe anyone is getting rich though after profits and loss from amazon anymore. You may hit pay dirt with a new product but with the competition out there it won't last long as more sites promote it.

    Thing with Internet Marketing is you have to be on the front lines, act quickly and get what you can while you can. Every good thing comes to a halt sooner or later.
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  • Profile picture of the author John J Brown
    selling for amazon is the same as selling for clickbank,
    the only difference is that the commission is much lower,
    but if promote items that cost over $100 and you know how to rank high in Google\
    it is really easy to make at least $1,500 a month
    if you have at least 10 amazon affiliate sites, and you make at least one sale per day, around 5 dollars,
    multiplied by 10 and then by 30 days, you get at least $1,500
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  • Profile picture of the author boxoun
    If you believe people can make $1 then people can make millions. Simple as that.
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  • Profile picture of the author hustlinsmoke
    Going to say this then shut my mouth.

    Lets say I find a new product on amazon and build a site around it. I want organic traffic so I seo the crap out of it. I even post in forums and blogs ect. I don't spend any money on traffic.

    By the time I get traffic the guys with the money have already bought the traffic and the product is stale.

    If you really do amazon then you know your not going to make a healthy profit without spending a healthy figure.

    I will not post to this again because you all know that sell amazon that I am right but if you want to argue the points pm me.
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  • Profile picture of the author Peter C
    Making $1000 is really possible. All you need is traffic to your sites. Once you are getting around 500 daily unique visitors to your site. You will see the difference in sales.
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  • Profile picture of the author wolfmmiii
    Contrary to what some will tell you, making a significant monthly profit as an Amazon affilaite is very doable (with or without paid traffic). I haven't paid for any traffic for any of my current Amazon sites and I'm earning 4 figures per month and I spend no more than an hour or two per day on those sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author marco005
      Hi,

      a little bit old thread but be on date enough, then there are many people who will make money as amazon affilliate,so the topic is not outdated- it is evergreen.


      @John J Brown; to make $1500 in month with 10 affiliate sites, how much pages must each of these sites have? 5,10 or more?

      and which keywords these sites use? Keywords with more than 2000 search volume in month? Please note,when you rank on #3 in google,you will get around 10% of the traffic.....


      @Max P; does amazon cap the comissions of these high high ticket items?

      And is paid traffic needed to promote such high ticket items or is free seo traffic alone target enough?


      @wolfmmiii; you are the amazon man.....to make a 4 figure every month with amazon,how big are youre niche sites? 5 pages,10 or more?????

      and you use only keywords with low search volume,while they rank easy? Is these search volume not too low to make good amount of sales /commissions? Or do you search for keywords that have up to 2000 search volume in month?


      Please note: when you rank on #3 in google as example, you will get around 10% of that monthly search volume traffic from the keyword you use.

      When you have the goal to get 1000 searches a day, then you must find da buyer keyword who has 20.000 search volume in month,but this keyword I'm sure is not easy to rank.



      best wishes
      marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author sam520
      Just curious how many sites you have to generate this income?
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by sam520 View Post

        Just curious how many sites you have to generate this income?
        Using the marketing methods discussed here in this thread, affiliates are doing this routinely from just one product on a standalone presell page. However, as mentioned from the onset, it ain't gonna happen with a static "review" site - no matter how well it ranks.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    yes multiple income streams are an good idea, but without listbuilding I think amazon is the best way, there are too many marketers who have mnake issues with cb as example, they not have high conversion rate, they have high money refund rate.....so will will not high profit from them...

    does other affiliate networks does have a such high money refund rate like cb too? (without list)

    I think when you will make big money with amazon like Paul and Wanda as example, you must build a niche site with more than 10 pages....more..........then with only 10 pages you can make good money yes but 10 sites are not enough that your site will make $1000 in month with amazon, the traffic is to low with 10 pages with low competition keywords to make $1000 in month.

    Please correct me if i be wrong.


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Please correct me if i be wrong.
      You couldn't be more wrong, Marco.

      You and I have had this conversation, in various guises, many times before. You are - as ever - looking at it primarily from an SEO perspective (in spite of that being, qualitatively, the worst kind of traffic there is, for affiliate marketing), and from the perspective of handicapping yourself by deliberately choosing not to do any of the three primary activities on which most affiliate marketing income rests, because all three of them require list-building, about which you appear - for reasons (if any) known only to yourself - to have a totally irrational phobia.

      I can assure you from my own experience that "the number of pages on your site" need have absolutely nothing to do with your Amazon-derived income at all.

      Any time you want to graduate to "the real world", it's there waiting for you in post #9 on the previous page of this thread.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Top Amazon affiliates rarely use SEO, PPC or even "review sites" at all. To earn the big bucks (5-6 figures per month is really not uncommon), you need to have repeat buyers and engage your customers, often on a personal level.

      There are actually many, many effective ways for promoting Amazon products. IMNSHO, SEO and "review sites" are the least effective methods because you are forced to work with either lower competition key words or accept low ROI.

      My own preference is to sell high-end products in very competitive niches, mainly because they generally are the most lucrative. These links may be helpful to you:

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...print-you.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ing-money.html

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...-cost-10k.html

      I've been selling Amazon and other affiliate products the same way for over 13 years, and made a fortune. My marketing model actually is rather simple in concept: establish an "authoritative presence" using article syndication, build niche lists, then recommend relevant products to subscribers within these niche lists.

      An excellent tutorial describing this basic marketing model which I have frequently recommended in many of my posts is this timeless classic, "Turn Words Into Traffic", by Jim and Dallas Edwards. Also consider reading "Brand Against the Machine: How to Build Your Brand, Cut Through the Marketing Noise, and Stand Out from the Competition" by John Morgan.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Hello,

      There is another way that I don't think anyone has mentioned here.

      Do you know the saying, The Money Is In The List, well it's a true saying, if you build a niche specific list you are targeting a hot market, people who are already interested in what you are offering.

      Then instead of trying to promote single Amazon products you set up your own Amazon Store or Stores on a website that you can direct them to from your ads in weekly or monthly Newsletters that you are sending to your list.

      I'll give you an example of a Business my 16 year old Daughter runs. It's for the music niche, specifically local type Singers/Bands/DJ's. We have built a list of over 10,000 now. She has set up a website with links to 5 Amazon Music Stores, Guitars, Drums, Keyboards, Recording Equipment, DJ Equipment. These 5 stores would have way over 100,000 items in total, so every ad in her newsletters is promoting 100,000 plus items, instead of single items that many Amazon Affiliates try to promote. And promoting to a HOT target audience who want to purchase these products.

      She also features other Affiliate items in her newsletters, other products that may not even be related to music, but would be of interest to her age group market.

      Amazon have many niche specific stores that you could build mailing lists for. You need content for your newsletter of course so better if you choose a niche that you have interest in, or you could outsource the writing of your newsletter content.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        I'll give you an example of a Business my 16 year old Daughter runs. It's for the music niche, specifically local type Singers/Bands/DJ's. We have built a list of over 10,000 now.
        Tremendous.

        I just wish I'd known how to do some of that when I was 16 ...
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

          Tremendous.

          I just wish I'd known how to do some of that when I was 16 ...
          Hello Alexa,

          She actually started her first IM Business when she was only 14, encouraged by her GrandDad who mentors her. I do too of course but I think you can guess who she listens to the most. lol. With good reason though, he also mentored me.

          Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author sam520
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello,

        There is another way that I don't think anyone has mentioned here.

        Do you know the saying, The Money Is In The List, well it's a true saying, if you build a niche specific list you are targeting a hot market, people who are already interested in what you are offering.

        Then instead of trying to promote single Amazon products you set up your own Amazon Store or Stores on a website that you can direct them to from your ads in weekly or monthly Newsletters that you are sending to your list.

        I'll give you an example of a Business my 16 year old Daughter runs. It's for the music niche, specifically local type Singers/Bands/DJ's. We have built a list of over 10,000 now. She has set up a website with links to 5 Amazon Music Stores, Guitars, Drums, Keyboards, Recording Equipment, DJ Equipment. These 5 stores would have way over 100,000 items in total, so every ad in her newsletters is promoting 100,000 plus items, instead of single items that many Amazon Affiliates try to promote. And promoting to a HOT target audience who want to purchase these products.

        She also features other Affiliate items in her newsletters, other products that may not even be related to music, but would be of interest to her age group market.

        Amazon have many niche specific stores that you could build mailing lists for. You need content for your newsletter of course so better if you choose a niche that you have interest in, or you could outsource the writing of your newsletter content.

        Lindy

        Thanks for this idea Lindy. Just curious, with the stores your daughter has selected and the list she has built of 10k subscribers - what is her monthly avg income? Did it take her long to build her list? Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by sam520 View Post

          Thanks for this idea Lindy. Just curious, with the stores your daughter has selected and the list she has built of 10k subscribers - what is her monthly avg income? Did it take her long to build her list? Any help you can offer would be greatly appreciated!
          Hello sam

          I started building the Music Niche list myself a few years ago, got it to about 5,700 before giving it to Sherri. That took me maybe 2 years or so but mainly using old ways such as classy ads in music magazines. It wasn't a big priority though, built it mainly because of my own interest in the music world, I'v been singing and have had bands since school days.

          Sherri has nearly doubled it in a year, but again she hasn't been able to devote a lot of time to it, she hasn't finished school yet, in her last year so has had to concentrate a lot on that, and as well she also has 3 other IM Business's to run.

          Her monthly income from her Music Niche - she's not big on accounting yet, she's only 16, all her income just goes into common accounts for all the 4 Business's, but she said minimum of five to six thousand dollars per month from the Music list.

          It's commonly accepted that a targeted list should return you about $1 per month per subscriber. Sherri has only been producing and sending one Newsletter a month to her subscribers, she would increase her results by sending weekly or even fortnightly Newsletters, which she intends doing when she finish's school this year and can concentrate full time on her Business's.

          Lindy

          Note: I'v mentioned this in other posts but will add here: This income is not just from the Amazon Stores. In her website (think of it like a Mall with the Stores inside) she has 6 Amazon Stores, Plus another Non Amazon Store, Plus a Clickbank Product)

          Her Newsletter is 4 page minimum and would normally average 6 to 8 Ads for her Affiliate Products. She promotes her website and Stores of course, but the products she promotes within the Newsletter are not limited to just those in the Website. For instance she has good success with high quality Tag Heuer replica watch's that are very popular with Guys, they sell for $625 with a 20% commission, so $125 per sale profit. Sell jus 8 of those an that's $1000 commission. High end American Sunglass's has been another good seller. So your not limited to jus promoting related niche products, in this case Music related products, she can promote other items too that she thinks would be of interest to her Subscribers.
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    • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
      Speaking of Amazon, I have supposed to have graduated to the 6% commission level but it looks like they are still only giving me 4%.

      Anyone ever had the same issue?
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      • Profile picture of the author cooler1
        Originally Posted by mootonandy View Post

        Speaking of Amazon, I have supposed to have graduated to the 6% commission level but it looks like they are still only giving me 4%.

        Anyone ever had the same issue?
        Are some of your sold items electronics? Electronics are capped at 4% commission.
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        • Profile picture of the author mootonandy
          Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

          Are some of your sold items electronics? Electronics are capped at 4% commission.
          Ah - that would be why then
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    • I agree that it takes a niche site and up to 10 pages of VALUABLE content to make at least $1000 a month. Just stay consistent in what your doing and you will see results!
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    • Profile picture of the author samkadya
      I don't see why someone cannot make a $1,000 every month if he is promoting some big ticket items. As for the smaller items it is sometimes a waste of time. I remember selling hundreds of small ticket items and struggling to reach the $100 commission limit. I wish I had promoted the big ticket items.
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    • I personally had a great course on making money online with Amazon. The teacher is someone whom I believe has such great integrity that can be very rare in our industry. I never had time to focus on Amazon, reading these posts makes me think I better give it a go, I can then let everyone know my results.
      I believe if you focus all your skills on one thing it will eventually happen!
      Make it a Fantastic day!
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    • Profile picture of the author NewbieLifer
      I read through all of the replies and didn't see what type of link or widget the people are using that ARE having success. Do you use text links within your articles or pictures links? The Amazon widgets? or do you create your own button links?

      What works? and, does Amazon have restrictions on adding the links to email newsletters or copy and pasting the link address into your own images? Any chance of them taking away your commissions if you do that?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    I have found news, please correct me if I'm wrong there;

    amazon has a list with excluded products,when you promote these products you will not get pay by amazon.

    See here; https://affiliate-program.amazon.com...ing/exclusions
    I hope this will help.

    marco005
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      I think, they check high selling products and then make it excluded from commissions
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,


    Dear Alexa, I know from you that free seo traffic is the worst traffic for affiliate's, but on the other side than ppc traffic is better/best in your eyes to promote affiliate products?

    Ok, I be with you that with ppc traffic that the number of pages in my website has no to do with my income, it has to do how many money I can spend to get an amount of traffic to get sales.

    But the other side of a medal is there must be always two paths;

    1) one way for people who have money to spend (ppc traffic)
    2) other way for people who have no/ less money to invest, they must go for free seo traffic,there is no other alternative.

    Without have huge money to spend, you can not buy ppc traffic.

    And without ppc traffic I think the number of pages on a website has to do with the income, then when you will rank for easy low competition keywords who has not so high search volumes,you must build an larger amount of pages on your niche website to get decent traffic and sales.


    Example;

    1) buyer keyword has 20.000 search volume in month (difficult to rank you need high cost seo or ppc traffic)
    2) buyer keyword has 1000 search volume in month ( easy to rank)

    You will get spot#3 on google you get ca. 10% traffic from them,so you can calculate.

    When you have less money to spend you go with the keyword Nr.2, 10% of them you get 100 search volume and make 1,2,3,5% conversions it will depend on the quality of your content, then you will make 1-5 sales in month with these 1 keyword.

    You will make 50 sales in month? Then you will need 10 of these keywords.........

    That is my therory, please correct me if I be wrong.
    And go as amazon affiliate with ppc traffic i think it can be little bit tricky, you can not use the product name in an ppc campaign (?) and does google allow this method, get ppc traffic on a amazon affiliate site?


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      But the other side of a medal is there must be always two paths;

      1) one way for people who have money to spend (ppc traffic)
      2) other way for people who have no/ less money to invest, they must go for free seo traffic,there is no other alternative.
      Again, respectfully, I don't agree at all.

      I don't use PPC traffic at all, Marco. Nor do I try to use SEO traffic (I do actually get a lot of search engine traffic, just incidentally, but it doesn't convert for me any better than it does for other marketers, and I wouldn't want to make a living from it!).

      It's simply not true that "there is no other alternative".

      This idea that "there's SEO traffic, and there's PPC traffic, and there's nothing else" and that "the two types of traffic available for affiliate marketers are paid traffic and organic search-engine traffic" is simply a huge myth, right out of the Urban Myth School of Internet Marketing. :p

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      And without ppc traffic I think the number of pages on a website has to do with the income
      It doesn't for me. And it doesn't for others I know who make substantial Amazon income each month.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      That is my therory, please correct me if I be wrong.
      In my opinion, you're wrong.

      The reason you have this problem is that you're losing most of your traffic, because you're unable to make repeated sales to the same customers, unable to keep your traffic returning to sales pages, and unable to establish the credibilty-based and trust-based relationships from which most affiliate sales arise.

      People who refuse to build lists can't do those things, but those things are "where the money is", in affiliate marketing. That's not "good", and it's not "bad" - it's not your fault, and it's not my fault: that's just the way it is. There's no point in trying to pretend otherwise.

      You have a self-imposed problem, there, which many other affiliate marketers don't have.

      Ultimately, all I can do to explain why I think you're so mistaken is to refer you to post #9 on the previous page. But I've already done that.
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  • Profile picture of the author Darko Majcen
    Hello,

    why are you not promoting your own product?

    If you can create an affiliate website why are you not creating your own product. It's not that hard...
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by Darko Majcen View Post

      why are you not promoting your own product?
      I don't know whom you're asking, but I believe that for most people, most of the time, affiliate marketing is a far more secure, reliable, profitable and easily available income-source than creating your own product. Here are just ten of my many reasons for thinking this.
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      • Profile picture of the author tdouglas22
        Definitely taking notes on this one too!
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  • Profile picture of the author keith88
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    Most definitely, I believe its about strategy though. Its just a matter of traffic volume and high ticket items/popular items. If you can seek out other amazon affiliates they may be able to give you tips as well.
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  • Profile picture of the author roger h
    compelling thread this one
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @myob: yes do article syndication the right way (not to the article directories) will bring you target traffic.
    But when I have understand you,that this traffic you not send to your "product review" site,you build a list with this traffic?

    And then you promote high ticket items through your list ?

    But in practice; how many articles I must syndicate to get 100,200 people in my list every month?
    And after then, how much in % of these 100,200 people in list buy? Do you need high quality long presell "review" content who you send to you people in list? And the curious thing is, nobody can give me an answer about these questions,but many marketers can give answers about conversion rate, how many traffic with the right keywords and such things, but nothing about the traffic volume from article syndicat,conversion rate of a list,.........
    or this are secrets who a successfully marketer not tell me?

    When you write articles for a magazine in your niche you must know te traffic volume you get from them or not?
    You not have a plugin that check your traffic?
    You not known your conversion rate of your list?

    I don't believe that, every prof. marketer has monthly statistics about his traffic, opt in rates and conversions.


    I have heard that the conversion rate is not higher with a list,with good written content, it will be around 2-3% the same as when you build a one time investment mini niche site,the conversion is the same and you have less to work than with a list you have more to work on it.Ok the people in the list are your clients so you can sell product after product to them through the year and you not must do seo, that is the only benefit between a one time investment mini niche site.

    But to build a list, get traffic and subscribers every month and then make sales, this will often named as "Royal Road" or the "Masterclass" of affiliate marketing, I hope you understand whart I mean.

    I think this is not for any beginners in affiiate business and you must have money every month to invest to get article syndicate, good written content (outsource), you need a squeez page and you need good written autoresponder content (outsource).

    So you must do write a few long good written articles to syndicate every month that cost when you outsource it.
    build a squeeze page (can you do for free)
    send good written email to your subscribers (5-7) that cost when you outsource it.

    And the content for article syndicated must be sure, in good written high quality magazine style,who cost more than a good written 500 word article for $7.

    So the monthly cost when you syndicate 1 long magazin style written article every week
    will be far higher than you build a one time investment mini niche site every month.

    So I think this affiliate method is Step Nr.2 for me after I make money from mini niche sites,this I can invest in article syndicate and listbuilding,perhaps I be little bit afraid of that....

    And Thanks for the link tiopps in your post! I see the topic; The Hidden Power Of Amazon. Hands Down The Easiest Affiliate Marketing Around. A Blueprint For You, is about write product reviews and get traffic to them, not build a list.


    For this method I called step Nr.2, how do article syndicate,how outsource that,how outsource good written autoresponder content,get traffic to my list and how monetize products trough my list, I need a good detailed wso,blueprint...............you can recommend me a few ?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      how many articles I must syndicate to get 100,200 people in my list every month?
      It's not about the number of articles, Marco - it's about where they're published.

      Article marketing isn't about "how many articles you have": it's about who reads them.

      But if you want a specific number, for each of my niches, I write and syndicate three articles per month, and that's more than enough for the content needs of my entire, full-time affiliate marketing business. (Two per month would be enough, to be honest).

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      And after then, how much in % of these 100,200 people in list buy?
      My own aim (albeit not always achieved) is for 50% of my subscribers to buy something, at some point during the email series. (Note that it's by no means always trivially easy, as an affiliate, to monitor this metric).

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Do you need high quality long presell "review" content who you send to you people in list?
      I think this depends on your style - and maybe even to some extent on the niche. I don't write very much about the products I‘m promoting, myself. I want just the fact that I’m the person recommending them to be “enough”.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      And the curious thing is, nobody can give me an answer about these questions
      I'm happy to ... but they're my own answers, from my own business, and I have no way of knowing whether they'd apply to your business, too.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      or this are secrets who a successfully marketer not tell me?
      The successful affiliates here vary, with what they divulge. Personally, I don't disclose my niches, list-sizes or income. I used to (apart from my niches), for the first year and a half of my business, but after that some of the negative and acerbic comments dissuaded me.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      When you write articles for a magazine in your niche
      You don't write articles "for a magazine" (at least, Myob and I don't): you write them for your business, and for your own site, and then for widespread subsequent syndication including to magazines.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      you must know the traffic volume you get from them or not?
      All you need is Google Analytics (or any equivalent) to tell this.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      You not have a plugin that check your traffic?
      I do ... I think almost everyone does? They're even available free, I believe?

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      You not known your conversion rate of your list?
      That's slightly more difficult to judge, as a vendor. ClickBank, for example, tells you your number of sales (as an affiliate) but not the customers' details. There are various ways of encouraging your subscribers to notify you of a purchase (Myob and I, for example, use two very different methods).

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      every prof. marketer has monthly statistics about his traffic, opt in rates and conversions.
      I agree with you about traffic and opt-in rates. Sale details can be a little harder to judge (though their numbers, of course, are known).

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      I have heard that the conversion rate is not higher with a list
      Excuse my bluntness, but this is nonsense. There are hundreds of threads in which thousands of Warriors not only say exactly the opposite, but explain why, at great length and in great detail.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      with good written content, it will be around 2-3%
      I don’t know where this figure comes from. It matches no reality I’m aware of! I repeat: my own aim (albeit not quite always achieved) is for 50% of my subscribers to buy something, at some point during the email series.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      But to build a list, get traffic and subscribers every month and then make sales, this will often named as "Royal Road" or the "Masterclass" of affiliate marketing
      It doesn't seem that way, to me. To me, it seems like a very basic necessity. Not only to me, but to all the successful affiliate marketers I know, affiliate marketing is a list-building-dependent business, pure and simple.

      Again, all my reasons for saying this, and links to relevant threads which explain more, are in post #9 on the previous page.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      I think this is not for any beginners in affiiate business
      I disagree with this. I think it's absolutely essential for beginners, and beginners who aren't willing to do it should look elsewhere (rather than at affiliate marketing) for their online incomes and to start their businesses.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      you must have money every month to invest to get article syndicate
      I started my business with about $50.

      I don't buy content. But I'm a writer, and I produce my own, and I feely admit that I started off with existing writing skills. That was why and how I chose this business model.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      good written content (outsource)
      I don't outsource content.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      you need a squeez page
      I don't use squeeze pages, for all the reasons explained here (and in the other threads linked to, here): http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7939758

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      and you need good written autoresponder content
      I re-use the articles as autoresponder content.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      So you must do write a few long good written articles to syndicate every month that cost when you outsource it.
      I think two articles per month is enough. What matters is where you get them published.

      That's the real work.

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post6575732

      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post7475055

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      build a squeeze page (can you do for free)
      You can, but I don't use them.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      send good written email to your subscribers (5-7) that cost when you outsource it.
      You can re-work the article content, easily enough.

      (Where does "5-7" come from?!).

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      And the content for article syndicated must be sure, in good written high quality magazine style,who cost more than a good written 500 word article for $7.
      Yes, that's perfectly true.

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      So the monthly cost when you syndicate 1 long magazin style written article every week will be far higher than you build a one time investment mini niche site every month.
      Yes, that's true, too. Then again, of course, you can make a living from one (as so many people here have been explaining to you for so long now), and I think you know yourself that you haven't managed to do that from the other?

      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      So I think this affiliate method is Step Nr.2 for me after I make money from mini niche sites
      Sorry to sound so disparaging, but I don't think you'll ever make money from them, without list-building, Marco. If you were going to, you would have done, by now, don't you think? I think very, very few people do.

      The rest of what I can say is here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8624542

      This will also interest you: how someone new to article marketing is getting on with it, in the early days: My Personal Challenge - Make $1500 by December 1st Via ClickBank and Article Syndication
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      I need a good detailed wso,blueprint...............you can recommend me a few ?
      See my recommendations in post #59. Also Alexa seems to have already answered nearly all of your questions with referenced links. Her answers are far better than any WSO, which you seem to keep missing.

      The only thing I would add is regarding selling high end products. What I do is build lists of buyers by offering nominally priced products (under $50), then promote (ie recommend) incrementally higher end products to my lists.

      As the sales cycle progresses, I obtain other communication channels from my subscribers, such as telephone contact, mailing address, social media, etc.

      Nobody I know has ever sold products in the 4-5+ figure price range without first building trust and consistently engaging their customers on a personal level through some kind of an integrated communication system.

      IMNSHO, the widely accepted conversion rates resulting from wimpy-assed "review sites" is far below the potential, and are not representative of the insatiable demand for quality products by consumers.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    how find websites that syndicate my articles, who list my niche site?

    I have now search in google for around 1 hour and the only that I found is alltop.
    Yes I have found a little bit more, but they not allowed; "commercial sites", "product sites" and such dumb things.

    When you have a website about industry cleaner as example, you are commercial and can not list your website or article to them or you have a niche website with an email sign up.........they not will allow you.

    Lol, they not allow you,then you steal their traffic to your list..............

    I think this is not the way how this business model work.


    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      how find websites that syndicate my articles, who list my niche site?

      I have now search in google for around 1 hour and the only that I found is alltop.
      Yes I have found a little bit more, but they not allowed; "commercial sites", "product sites" and such dumb things.

      When you have a website about industry cleaner as example, you are commercial and can not list your website or article to them or you have a niche website with an email sign up.........they not will allow you.

      Lol, they not allow you,then you steal their traffic to your list..............

      I think this is not the way how this business model work.


      marco005
      Don't take this the wrong way, but article syndication may not be for you. For your article to be syndicated, and for you to receive quality, targeted traffic, your article has to be of the highest quality before syndicators even think about sharing it with their readers. If you started to write articles in your native tongue then that may be a different story.

      I know you said, "And the content for article syndicated must be sure, in good written high quality magazine style,who cost more than a good written 500 word article for $7," but a magazine quality article is going to cost you significantly more than $7.
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    The answer is yes. Full disclosure, I am an affiliate of amazon. They are a reliable company. Also, they have no problem in paying you. Problem is getting traffic to your web pages. Well, that is not so easy. Perhaps you need to understand what is going on. Most people who go to a review site are planning to buy the product, but not right away. Key is to be able convince your viewers. OK now, get out there and close em.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Big big thanks to you Alexa!
    I be buff that you have such an high conversion rate, wow that is affiliate paradise.....


    I think I must write every week 1 email to my subscribers trough the year to make sales quarterly? Hm, there is many content needed for that.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author bilbobaggins
    You can make $1000 a month with Amazon, but it is hard work. Especially if you are using organic traffic. There are so many factors to consider and with google constantly tweaking their algos its getting harder all the time.

    One of the best places to start is with top quality reviews. When creating a review of an Amazon product, you have to ask yourself 'would I buy something from this page' . If the answer is no, then why would anyone else. Quality reviews shift products.

    But you also have to get traffic. Doesnt matter how good your reviews are if you have no traffic no one is ever going to see them. So take the time to learn how to get traffic, whether thats organic from Google and Bing or otherwise. But it is definitely hard work, with highs and lows.

    People have mentioned selling expensive items. The upside to expensive items is better commisions. The downside is that they are harder to convert. And much more chance of returns. So ideally you want a good mix of cheaper items that dont earn much but sell themselves, and expensive items that give you a nice commission when they do sell.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Myob, ok the way is to sell them first products in price rabnge from $39-69, after when they have buy,
    promote higher ticket items to them.

    When you promote your higher ticket items to your buyer list? After 1 month,after 2 months ????

    I need a building list and list sales funnel guide/ wso,blueprint...

    There are marketers who are in the ebook market, they send every week emails through their list,week for week, month for month.......but hell who their have the content from to get ideas to write that amount of content????


    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      but hell who their have the content from to get ideas to write that amount of content????
      I re-use all my article content for my list-subscribers. Almost every article I write makes up two more emails to add on the series. (With only very little editing/re-writing!)
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    • Profile picture of the author Lucian Lada
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      I need a building list and list sales funnel guide/ wso,blueprint...
      I can assure you there's no such need. You only need to follow Alexa, Myob, John, and a few others, and connect the dots.

      Speaking of dots, does anyone here play it? My best score so far is 238. :rolleyes:
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      Myob, ok the way is to sell them first products in price rabnge from $39-69, after when they have buy,
      promote higher ticket items to them.

      When you promote your higher ticket items to your buyer list? After 1 month,after 2 months ????

      I need a building list and list sales funnel guide/ wso,blueprint...

      There are marketers who are in the ebook market, they send every week emails through their list,week for week, month for month.......but hell who their have the content from to get ideas to write that amount of content????


      marco005
      Higher ticket products are continually promoted to my lists; the next product in queue is sent the next day immediately following a purchase. In my marketing, emails are sent on a daily basis and include niche-specific news, information, free resources, reports, etc, and always a product promotion.

      As the sales cycle progresses, I obtain other communication channels from my subscribers, such as telephone contact, mailing address, social media, etc. Eventually, the email marketing channel is abandoned and sales are generated on a more personal level such as telemarketing, direct mail, mobile marketing, webinars, local seminars, and direct (face-to-face) sales.

      You keep ignoring the help provided to you, as the links and resources provided in my previous posts as well as Alexa's discuss this type of marketing in more detail. Specifically for list-building, Seth Godin's "Permission Marketing" is perhaps the basis for most WSOs and courses.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,


    wow, but wheren from you get this amount of content, when you can sent daily news to your list subscribers? Curation?

    How I put amazon products in my list? how I put related products in my list?

    Simple with my wp plugin ????
    How I do that all?
    I know nothing about these things; how I build a funnel in my list, hoew I put amazon(cb producxts in my list ???????
    How I do all these things?

    Therefor I look for a wso/guide, where I can learn these things.


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,


      wow, but wheren from you get this amount of content, when you can sent daily news to your list subscribers? Curation?

      How I put amazon products in my list? how I put related products in my list?

      Simple with my wp plugin ????
      How I do that all?
      I know nothing about these things; how I build a funnel in my list, hoew I put amazon(cb producxts in my list ???????
      How I do all these things?

      Therefor I look for a wso/guide, where I can learn these things.


      best wishes
      marco005
      You've been given so much quality advice, but it looks as if you want an exact blueprint on how to set everything up and make money. Everything you've asked about is already out there on the internet, whether that be on this forum or elsewhere. No one is going to hold your hand and tell you exactly what needs to be done. Just take some action and learn as you go along. The best way to learn is through trial and error. Ask anyone who is making decent money online and they will tell you the same.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,


      wow, but wheren from you get this amount of content, when you can sent daily news to your list subscribers? Curation?

      How I put amazon products in my list? how I put related products in my list?

      Simple with my wp plugin ????
      How I do that all?
      I know nothing about these things; how I build a funnel in my list, hoew I put amazon(cb producxts in my list ???????
      How I do all these things?

      Therefor I look for a wso/guide, where I can learn these things.


      best wishes
      marco005
      Curation is one of many potential information delivery methods, although I have never used it myself. For article ideas, consider signing up for Google trends, which sends to your email current news related to keywords of your interest. Also, subscribe to relevant ezines and offline publications. There must be books, newsletters and periodicals which cover your niche. If not, perhaps a serious rethink of niche choice may be in order.

      When advertising or promoting Amazon products using media other than your own website, such as email marketing, direct your prospects to one of your own pre-sell websites. Never include a direct affiliate link within any advertising media. It is not only poor marketing strategy, but it is also against Amazon's TOS.

      But once again, your questions have already been covered in posts, links, and references here in this thread as well as several hundred other threads related to these topics. If you need hands on help and can afford it, there may be mentors available here on the WF to get you set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author Stuart Walker
    Maro you've been a member here for 3 years it seems yet you seem to lack knowledge of even the basics...what have you been doing all this time?
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  • Profile picture of the author tritrain
    Yes, you certainly could make over $1000 per month. Especially in the few months leading up to Christmas. In addition, as you have more sales your earnings percentage will increase.

    Interesting discussion above. Most of my sales were from search engine traffic. I found the quality very good for sales, personally. As to which or what is best, I haven't seen qualitative or quantitative analysis of any of the sources of buyers. I think using whatever works for you is the best way to go.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andrew Mak
    one top secret, but need to invest some money.

    join keywordspy.com membership, check the keyword Amazon spending on CPC, normally they will spend money to buy traffic for the high return keywords.

    also spy the top affiliates on the ppc campaign they are doing for amazon, just follow a proven winner.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    wow thanks for the tip with keywordspy, I must lurke a little bit how the top marketer makes their email marketing and how they find monthly 2-3 products to promote (with link from email to their website -wordpress non official status-to my product review sites "handpicked"...

    But when I started, with 2-3 good compelling articles to syndicate lets say I get 100 subscribers every month, is that not to low to make a 4 figure in month wirth amazons less commission rate?
    Are cb or other affiliate networks better to promote with their higher commission rate in email marketing?


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      wow thanks for the tip with keywordspy, I must lurke a little bit how the top marketer makes their email marketing and how they find monthly 2-3 products to promote (with link from email to their website -wordpress non official status-to my product review sites "handpicked"...

      But when I started, with 2-3 good compelling articles to syndicate lets say I get 100 subscribers every month, is that not to low to make a 4 figure in month wirth amazons less commission rate?
      Are cb or other affiliate networks better to promote with their higher commission rate in email marketing?


      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello Marco,

      You have been given a lot of good advice here, but I will add some too.

      To be really successful you have to learn to think in different ways to others. My Dad taught me that most people don't really think for themselves, they just follow how others think and do what others do - so therefore they are all competing for the same markets in the same ways. They don't build up any competitive advantage for themselves.

      We have built a multi million dollar a year Business by thinking differently to others. My dad and I even have the word THINK printed out in red on a 6x4 photo and up on our whiteboards so we see that word hundreds of times per day to engrain it into our subconscious.

      I gave an example of one of my Daughters business's in the Music niche, how she uses different thinking in Affiliate Marketing. Sherri started her first IM Business at 14, she is now 16 and has four IM Business's and will have a turnover (profit) of around US$200,000 this year. At 16 and all from thinking differently to most. Sure she has had the benefit of us mentoring her and growing up watching what we do, but anyone can learn to do the same. Keywords - LEARN and THINK.

      I'll give an brief example of what I would do if I were going into a new niche for Affiliate Marketing. And this is not a niche that we are involved in.

      So say we say the Pet Niche. A few minutes search in Google gives us results saying it's a Multi Billion Dollar niche, people in US spend over 50 Billion Dollars a year on their pets. So that's a big enough niche for us to play in don't you think? lol

      OK now are there any Affiliate Programs available? Got to be kidding right? lol. Again do a Google Search for "Pet Affiliate Programs" and you will find more than a few. Now go to Amazon, do they have any Pet Products, yesss. Now go to ClickBank and you'll find a few more! lol. My point here - if you do some research you will find hundreds to thousands of Affiliate Programs for just the Pet Niche. And some in turn have hundreds to thousands of products in one place.

      So now we have a Niche Market to Target and we have literally thousands upon thousands of Affiliate Products to offer them.

      Now we have to find a way to build a list of Pet Owners/Lovers to market our products too. I'm not going to do all the work for you, but FaceBook is one way to do this, with software like SocialLeadFreak, or you can do it manually too.

      Then you create a weekly or fortnightly or monthly Newsletter for your Subscribers that has interesting content to keep them engaged and wanting to read your Newsletter. You sprinkle your Affiliate Ads through your Newsletter, links to your Amazon Shop or Affiliate Shops. You can also create a Website and again have great Pet type content on it, along with a heap of Banners or Links to your different Affiliate Shops or offers.

      You could further engage your Subscribers by having a FaceBook page where they can inter-react with you and other Subscribers by adding stories or photos/videos of themselves and their pets. And that gives you yet another way to promote your Affiliate Products.

      So there is a whole little Blueprint of how to do Affiliate Marketing in a much better way than all the PPC, PPV, etc methods.

      And not only for my example Pet market. Just THINK out how you could do this for any other Market you were interested in.

      I would actually advice you to make your own little THINK sign and put it up where you can see it. Then THINK about it. lol.

      Hope that helps you and others.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi Lindy,

    big big thank to you!

    So when I send out a weekly or every 2th.newsletter to my subscribers, iat the end of the content, I put a link to my wordpress site where I have a product review/ or a deep link to my affiliate shop product??????

    So does this works for amazon products in $400-600 price range to earn good comissions?
    O cb/jvz who pays higher commission, is the storno rate for cb products lower when you promote them in a list?

    Should I use simple email form or should I use the email in html design as my website?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author senshai
      I've been in such a rut with my online business I have about given up. Something in your post sparked some ideas Lindy that I'm going to run with today. Thank you Lindy, myob, and Alexa for some really great posts in this thread.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by senshai View Post

        I've been in such a rut with my online business I have about given up. Something in your post sparked some ideas Lindy that I'm going to run with today. Thank you Lindy, myob, and Alexa for some really great posts in this thread.
        Hello senshai,

        Your very welcome!

        Some advice, NEVER EVER give up. My first year in IM I made the grand fortune of US$408 in profits. I was trying to sell ebooks on ebay.

        10 years later, my Dad and I have one of the largest privately owned IM Business's in the world. If I had given up ???

        Lindy
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi Lindy,

      big big thank to you!

      So when I send out a weekly or every 2th.newsletter to my subscribers, iat the end of the content, I put a link to my wordpress site where I have a product review/ or a deep link to my affiliate shop product??????

      So does this works for amazon products in $400-600 price range to earn good comissions?
      O cb/jvz who pays higher commission, is the storno rate for cb products lower when you promote them in a list?

      Should I use simple email form or should I use the email in html design as my website?

      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      You can actually sprinkle a number of links throughout your Newsletter. As an example each of Sherri's Music Newsletters would be about 4 pages of content and she might have 6 to 8 Affiliate links in them.

      She tries to match some content with her ads. For example she has had some short stories about different classic guitars that have sold for very high prices. (She's just found these stories on MSN) So following the story she's added a Headline maybe like: Can't Afford A $100,000 Classic Guitar? We Have Over 26,000 Guitars At Very Affordable Prices. Then she adds the link to her Amazon Guitar Store, or to her website.

      So say your niche list was for DIY for Guys, and you were marketing power tools etc. You could have a short review of a particular power tool, then you would have your Amazon link (cloaked and personalised) to that particular tool. Somewhere else in your Newsletter you would have a link to your whole Tool Store. etc. Then you may have found a Clickbank product on How To Build Whatever. So again a short story then your link to that CB product.

      Doesn't matter what Affiliate Programs, you can mix and match in your Newsletters. The Affiliate products you are promoting just have to be fairly related to the niche you are promoting to. If your niche list was for DIY/Tools you wouldn't be promoting any IM products, etc.

      Yes works with any product price point, again in Sherri's Music niche, in her Amazon Stores she has products ranging from just a few dollars up into the hundreds of dollars.

      HTML emails allow you to show photos so makes a much more attractive Newsletter. Or you can do your Newsletter in Word with photos and then save as a PDF File, and attach that to a simple email. People are visual, they like seeing photos, a few page Newsletter would be very boring if it was jus all text. And you know the saying, a picture speaks a 1000 words!

      Hope that helps.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi

    Lindy, so that I can it better imagine (sorry I not understand all at once or I be one of the rare people who has flashes of light bulbs in their mind)shame,shame.........I must imagine this business model

    I make an example

    I begin to write and syndicate good content to get traffic and I get 100 subscribers the first month, then later every month 100 new subscribers.

    Then I send out my weekly newsletter to them with a link to my website who has "hand picked" products.......

    Affiliate products where I get lets say $40 per sale, I will get 10% conversion rate, so 10 people buy and I make $400 a month with these products.

    And after then? Better I have a big hand picked affiliate amazon astore, so that these people buy again from me month after month,to make this amount of money or more?

    Then in the 2. month I get new 100 subcribers, so then in the 2. month 10% of the new subcribers will buy my recommend products+ a percentage of the old 100 subscribers from the first month,

    so that with every month and 100 new subcribers my income will be up doubled month after month
    (old list clients+new list clients)????

    ???
    Does an amazon affiliate store with 1000 hand piecked products works great with this business model?
    Is it important to have the amazon astore (on wordpress) on "not publicy" status,so that this affiliate astore is only "exclusively" for my list clients ?????




    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Hello marco,

      First an idea - copy/paste all my posts into one Word document so it is easier for you to read through them all. When you have them all together it will be easier for you to follow.

      1. you choose your niche and find Affiliate programs for it via Google Search, Amazon Stores and ClickBank.

      2. You start building your list by whatever means, article syndication is fine but slow. You can do much faster with FaceBook. If you don't know how you need to find information or a course on using FB, there would be ebooks or courses listed here in Warrior Forum, or Threads about using FB.

      3. Your Newsletter is the free offer to get people to sign up to your list.

      4. You need a Squeeze Page and Auto responder to capture the leads and to send out your Newsletter. If you don't know how to design a Squeeze Page you can find someone in fiverr.com to do it for you for $5.

      5. Someone from fiverr.com may also be able to help you with your Newsletter. But you really should be learning all these things yourself, but fine to pay small amounts for others to help you if you need it.

      5. Yes you keep building up your list, growing it month after month year after year.

      6. You may not get 10% conversion rate of people buying, that's a high figure, but as your list grows so does your sales.

      7. Yes, as long as you are continually showing them new products you are getting sales from both older and newer members of your list.

      8. I have already said that the idea is based on Amazon Stores, as most have thousands of related products. Example Sherri's Amazon Guitar store has over 26,000 guitars and items alone. BUT you have more than 1 affiliate link in your Newsletter. You do a Google search for other Affiliate programs available for your niche, and you do a ClickBank search as well.

      9. The overall idea is that instead of just promoting 1 Affiliate product at a time, this way you can be promoting thousands of products at a time (mainly from our Amazon Store but some other Affiliate programs also have smaller stores with hundreds to thousands of products too)

      10. Amazon builds you your Store free. You just pick the overall product line. Example Pet Products. you don't have to handpick products or make your own store in Wordpress.

      11. You can promote your store in any way, not just to your list. You could make a FaceBook page for it or Wordpress Blog etc.

      12. So not exclusive just to your list customers. Usually people have friends with same interests, so we also ask them to recommend us to their friends who are interested in (whatever niche) so our list members or customers are also helping us to build our lists.

      Think that answers your questions. Where are you from marco?

      Lindy
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      I begin to write and syndicate good content to get traffic and I get 100 subscribers the first month, then later every month 100 new subscribers.

      Then I send out my weekly newsletter to them with a link to my website who has "hand picked" products.......

      Affiliate products where I get lets say $40 per sale, I will get 10% conversion rate, so 10 people buy and I make $400 a month with these products.

      And after then? Better I have a big hand picked affiliate amazon astore, so that these people buy again from me month after month,to make this amount of money or more?

      Then in the 2. month I get new 100 subcribers, so then in the 2. month 10% of the new subcribers will buy my recommend products+ a percentage of the old 100 subscribers from the first month,

      so that with every month and 100 new subcribers my income will be up doubled month after month
      (old list clients+new list clients)????

      ???
      Does an amazon affiliate store with 1000 hand piecked products works great with this business model?
      Is it important to have the amazon astore (on wordpress) on "not publicy" status,so that this affiliate astore is only "exclusively" for my list clients ?????




      best wishes
      marco005
      You are making this far more complicated for yourself than it needs to be. With the very powerful marketing model outlined for you in this thread, you could be getting 100 subscribers or more per day. A common cause of failure among Amazon affiliates is trying to promote multiple products at one time, because it's difficult for prospects to make a purchasing decision when faced with too many choices - particularly from unfamiliar sources.

      There are many ways of managing resulting traffic from the article syndication marketing model discussed here, but in my experience the most effective is to build a list of buyers from this traffic. You are not only maximizing highly qualified market exposure and credibility through syndication and its associated viral effect, but collecting email addresses of buyers can leverage future marketing campaigns to a conversion rate approaching 50%.

      For maximum conversions, try promoting one product at a time to subscribers, and let the customer-friendly marketing genius of Amazon suggest additional products. What I do is promote only one product on a stand-alone presell page daily for up to 3 months. When a purchase is made, the buyer is offered another related product promotion for up to 3 months, and continues on in 3 month marketing cycles for as long the subscriber makes purchases. You can earn a very comfortable income with just 15-20 niche products queued up in an autoresponder.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        You are making this far more complicated for yourself than it needs to be. With the very powerful marketing model outlined for you in this thread, you could be getting 100 subscribers or more per day. A common cause of failure among Amazon affiliates is trying to promote multiple products at one time, because it's difficult for prospects to make a purchasing decision when faced with too many choices - particularly from unfamiliar sources.

        There are many ways of managing resulting traffic from the article syndication marketing model discussed here, but in my experience the most effective is to build a list of buyers from this traffic. You are not only maximizing highly qualified market exposure and credibility through syndication and its associated viral effect, but collecting email addresses of buyers can leverage future marketing campaigns to a conversion rate approaching 50%.

        For maximum conversions, try promoting one product at a time to subscribers, and let the customer-friendly marketing genius of Amazon suggest additional products. What I do is promote only one product on a stand-alone presell page daily for up to 3 months. When a purchase is made, the buyer is offered another related product promotion for up to 3 months, and continues on in 3 month marketing cycles for as long the subscriber makes purchases. You can earn a very comfortable income with just 15-20 niche products queued up in an autoresponder.
        Hello Myob,

        Although I like the advice you give in general, and for beginners it is perhaps better to learn from the ground up by first learning how to promote single products, I do disagree with your statement that common cause of failure with Amazon Affiliates is from trying to promote more than one product at a time.

        In fact, I think the opposite is true. I think most Amazon Affiliates fail because they are only promoting one (or a small handful) of products at a time.

        With our Business's my Dad and I use both Out Of The Box and Logical thinking, and we have grown huge IM Business's within just 10 years.

        Some of our thinking for Affiliate Marketing is based on the following:

        Shopping Experience - selling a single product, or even a handful of related products is like going back in time a hundred or two hundred years, when a shop may have sold a small range of pots and pans and nothing else. Or people may have gone to a Butcher to buy their meat, then to a Baker to buy their bread, then to a Market to buy their vegetables and so on.

        Of course some people still do that, but what is more popular today? Large Department Stores or Supermarkets where people have the choice of thousands of products in one place. Even smaller shops on our High Streets (or Main Streets) offer from hundreds to thousands of products.

        Now even Amazon itself is a good example of this, they started as a bookseller, but what do they offer now? Just about everything - because they understand that people prefer a one stop shopping solution. They also understand, just like Department Stores, Supermarkets, and many other Business types such as Home Depot for example, that a customer may come in with a single product purchase in mind, but because of the huge amount of products offered and on display, they are likely to walk out with a number of items, not just the single item they came to buy.

        Now it is jus logical thinking, if you are offering your customer jus one product, that's all he or she can buy from you. Or until they hear from you again and you offer them another single product, which they then might buy from you if they havn't already bought it from someone else, because they didn't even know you sold that item too.

        The Affiliate Business Model that I put forward is hugely successful for us. Build Niche Interest Lists > Use Newsletters with Multiple Affiliate Offers > Sending them to our Stores or Websites where they have the choice of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of related interest products.

        I gave an example of one of my Daughters Business's where she has 5 Amazon Music Stores, another related Store and a ClickBank product, but in total could be way upwards of 100,000 items. Someone going there to buy a Guitar for example has a choice of over 26,000 Guitars and then they could look at thousands of related accessories. If they want to do some home recording, well here is another store with just as many items. They don't have to think of going anywhere else ever again, because they have found she has a Music Superstore. They are likely to buy more than the single product they came looking for, but they are also likely to come back often to buy more, because they now know that everything they can ever want is right there in these stores.

        I'll give another example, I have a Newsletter relating to young Women, from maybe 18 years of age to mid 30's or so. One advertisement in all my Newsletter issues is for an Affiliate Shop that sells perfumes, makeup and skincare products for Women, but also a huge range of men's fragrances and products, over 14,000 products in all. Can you imagine any Woman going in there and only buying 1 single product? Nooooo lol. Us girls need our beauty products, and we also buy products for Boyfriends or Husbands, even our Dads. AND we jus luv shopping, so how many sales do you think I'd be missing out on if I was offering 1 single product at a time?

        For that same niche and in each Newsletter I am also promoting Affiliate Shops offering Clothing, offering Jewellery, offering Handbags and Purses, offering Sunglass's etc.

        Women need all those things, and heaps of them. lol. Would I be a very smart girl to offer them just a tiny few products and let them buy everything else somewhere else? Nooooo! lol

        Is it harder to do then jus promoting single products. Not that much harder, Sherri is only 16 still and she's making more than an adult wage every week just from her Music List of bit over 10,000 singers/musicians/bands. My Dad and I are making around maybe two million dollars a year just from our Affiliate Marketing to about 8 different niche markets. So our Affiliate Model is well and truly proven, and I have fairly well outlined it I think in a number of posts in this thread, I think most could follow it, or can ask more questions.

        So that's why I think you are wrong in that aspect of your advice.

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author jan roos
          Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

          Hello Myob,

          Although I like the advice you give in general, and for beginners it is perhaps better to learn from the ground up by first learning how to promote single products, I do disagree with your statement that common cause of failure with Amazon Affiliates is from trying to promote more than one product at a time.

          In fact, I think the opposite is true. I think most Amazon Affiliates fail because they are only promoting one (or a small handful) of products at a time.

          With our Business's my Dad and I use both Out Of The Box and Logical thinking, and we have grown huge IM Business's within just 10 years.

          Some of our thinking for Affiliate Marketing is based on the following:

          Shopping Experience - selling a single product, or even a handful of related products is like going back in time a hundred or two hundred years, when a shop may have sold a small range of pots and pans and nothing else. Or people may have gone to a Butcher to buy their meat, then to a Baker to buy their bread, then to a Market to buy their vegetables and so on.

          Of course some people still do that, but what is more popular today? Large Department Stores or Supermarkets where people have the choice of thousands of products in one place. Even smaller shops on our High Streets (or Main Streets) offer from hundreds to thousands of products.

          Now even Amazon itself is a good example of this, they started as a bookseller, but what do they offer now? Just about everything - because they understand that people prefer a one stop shopping solution. They also understand, just like Department Stores, Supermarkets, and many other Business types such as Home Depot for example, that a customer may come in with a single product purchase in mind, but because of the huge amount of products offered and on display, they are likely to walk out with a number of items, not just the single item they came to buy.

          Now it is jus logical thinking, if you are offering your customer jus one product, that's all he or she can buy from you. Or until they hear from you again and you offer them another single product, which they then might buy from you if they havn't already bought it from someone else, because they didn't even know you sold that item too.

          The Affiliate Business Model that I put forward is hugely successful for us. Build Niche Interest Lists > Use Newsletters with Multiple Affiliate Offers > Sending them to our Stores or Websites where they have the choice of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of related interest products.

          I gave an example of one of my Daughters Business's where she has 5 Amazon Music Stores, another related Store and a ClickBank product, but in total could be way upwards of 100,000 items. Someone going there to buy a Guitar for example has a choice of over 26,000 Guitars and then they could look at thousands of related accessories. If they want to do some home recording, well here is another store with just as many items. They don't have to think of going anywhere else ever again, because they have found she has a Music Superstore. They are likely to buy more than the single product they came looking for, but they are also likely to come back often to buy more, because they now know that everything they can ever want is right there in these stores.

          I'll give another example, I have a Newsletter relating to young Women, from maybe 18 years of age to mid 30's or so. One advertisement in all my Newsletter issues is for an Affiliate Shop that sells perfumes, makeup and skincare products for Women, but also a huge range of men's fragrances and products, over 14,000 products in all. Can you imagine any Woman going in there and only buying 1 single product? Nooooo lol. Us girls need our beauty products, and we also buy products for Boyfriends or Husbands, even our Dads. AND we jus luv shopping, so how many sales do you think I'd be missing out on if I was offering 1 single product at a time?

          For that same niche and in each Newsletter I am also promoting Affiliate Shops offering Clothing, offering Jewellery, offering Handbags and Purses, offering Sunglass's etc.

          Women need all those things, and heaps of them. lol. Would I be a very smart girl to offer them just a tiny few products and let them buy everything else somewhere else? Nooooo! lol

          Is it harder to do then jus promoting single products. Not that much harder, Sherri is only 16 still and she's making more than an adult wage every week just from her Music List of bit over 10,000 singers/musicians/bands. My Dad and I are making around maybe two million dollars a year just from our Affiliate Marketing to about 8 different niche markets. So our Affiliate Model is well and truly proven, and I have fairly well outlined it I think in a number of posts in this thread, I think most could follow it, or can ask more questions.

          So that's why I think you are wrong in that aspect of your advice.

          Lindy
          Dang Lindy! Nice work on making super affiliate status.

          I agree with you that it is not really that hard to make over 1K a month as an affiliate, especially selling physical products.

          I do well with the review site model and also compliment that with building lists in the different niches.

          To the OP, don't disregard review sites completely. If done properly they can make a lot of money. Just look at Product Reviews and Reports - ConsumerSearch.com They probably also make a few million a year.

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  • Profile picture of the author tritrain
    I suggest a mixture of items, in which you can sell a high volume, will get you up to the maximum percentage of 7% for a month.

    And high value items so you get the best commission.

    It's better to sell 100 items with a mix of high and low value for 7%, rather than 10 high value items for 4% commission.

    You also have to consider that any returns mean you lose that commission, so the more sales the better.
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  • Profile picture of the author Chris-
    If you can make anything more than zero, from Amazon sites, then OF COURSE you can make $1000 a month . . . you just multiply your efforts! If each site makes a dollar a month, then you need a thousand of them, if each site makes $10 a month, you need 100 sites, etc.

    I have a bunch of Amazon sites up, and certainly make money from them. I am not making the profits per page that certain Amazon courses say they are making, but I am aware that my current sites, and backlink strategy, can be improved, and the profits I am making continue to come in years after I did the sites (most of them I've not updated at all in several years, and are still making money). So I consider Amazon a great choice!

    Chris
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    • Profile picture of the author Yaros
      Originally Posted by Chris- View Post

      If you can make anything more than zero, from Amazon sites, then OF COURSE you can make $1000 a month . . . you just multiply your efforts! If each site makes a dollar a month, then you need a thousand of them, if each site makes $10 a month, you need 100 sites, etc.

      I have a bunch of Amazon sites up, and certainly make money from them. I am not making the profits per page that certain Amazon courses say they are making, but I am aware that my current sites, and backlink strategy, can be improved, and the profits I am making continue to come in years after I did the sites (most of them I've not updated at all in several years, and are still making money). So I consider Amazon a great choice!

      Chris
      Chris, could you tell me, how many products does your single site has on average? And what system these sites are built in?
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  • Profile picture of the author clbks
    I did it for awhile then they canceled affiliates in my state. So I did all that work only to loose everything I set up.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    a big big thanks to you Lindy and Myob!!!
    Yes I be little bit complicated why? I don't know, perhaps God has say to me; You must be complicated!

    I wish I could be easy,simple thats my problem, other people says to me; marco you make it more complicated as it is,shame,shame.

    Lindy:So I will put your answers/guide in an word document,and will look at this forum for how to get fast facebook subscribers and I will get start.

    I think like Myob says,at beginning it is better to start promoting not more than 1-3 affiliate products,from cb/jvz and someone.......promote them for 2-3 months, after then I look for another products the commissions from them are way higher than from amazon, when I get at the beginning
    not more than 100 subscribers in month,amazon will be not enough.

    I be from europe and little bit afraid about fb, "soccerbörg" a big zionist knows all about you, he is not interesting in your wealth. So when I live in europe can I build a fb fanpage only for us market?

    Can I use multiple (multiple niches) names= pen names on fb ????
    I don't know, suggarbörg wants your money,wants all your private data, I be afraid of this,NSA knows all about me (us) looool........your BOSS can see what you make in the net....



    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      a big big thanks to you Lindy and Myob!!!
      Yes I be little bit complicated why? I don't know, perhaps God has say to me; You must be complicated!

      I wish I could be easy,simple thats my problem, other people says to me; marco you make it more complicated as it is,shame,shame.

      Lindy:So I will put your answers/guide in an word document,and will look at this forum for how to get fast facebook subscribers and I will get start.

      I think like Myob says,at beginning it is better to start promoting not more than 1-3 affiliate products,from cb/jvz and someone.......promote them for 2-3 months, after then I look for another products the commissions from them are way higher than from amazon, when I get at the beginning
      not more than 100 subscribers in month,amazon will be not enough.

      I be from europe and little bit afraid about fb, "soccerbörg" a big zionist knows all about you, he is not interesting in your wealth. So when I live in europe can I build a fb fanpage only for us market?

      Can I use multiple (multiple niches) names= pen names on fb ????
      I don't know, suggarbörg wants your money,wants all your private data, I be afraid of this,NSA knows all about me (us) looool........your BOSS can see what you make in the net....



      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      I should have said, not only my replies but go through the thread and put other good advice into your Word Doc too. Say you call it Affiliate Marketing Advice. You are really building up your own Database of information about Affiliate Marketing that you can refer back to and learn from as you go along.

      Then when you start reading threads on FaceBook Marketing, do the same with another Word Doc. you are getting real advice here in the Warrior Forum from people who are actually successful in doing these things, that can be much better advice than in a lot of ebooks on the same subjects.

      Yes fine to start off as Myob says, jus start off and keep learning and you will eventually get there, don't ever give up.

      Yes you can jus target America for your marketing even though you live in Europe.

      Don't know what you mean by soccerborg! lol

      But I wish you very well with your Internet Marketing.

      Blessed Be marco.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author Yaros
    I have never tried to earn with Amazon affiliate program, however I have an affiliate account and sometimes build Amazon affiliate niche stores for custom orders. Recently I was asked to create 15 Amazon affiliate stores. To this moment my client has paid for 10 stores, other 5 ready stores I had to hold back until getting 100% payment. I have just checked my Amazon affiliate account and was surprised to find out that these stores have brought me $29.80 as an affiliate commission. I am amazed to see such profit from websites which had been launched not long ago (9 days ago) without any SEO and marketing work.

    I wonder, how can it be possible? I thought that such stores need rather extensive marketing work before they can start making any money. May be the reason in chosing good niches, long-tail keywords or in the amount of products presented at these sites, or jut a luck... If someone has an experience, could you share it? How long does it usually take for your Amazon affiliate sites to start bringing profit?
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by Yaros View Post

      I have never tried to earn with Amazon affiliate program, however I have an affiliate account and sometimes build Amazon affiliate niche stores for custom orders. Recently I was asked to create 15 Amazon affiliate stores. To this moment my client has paid for 10 stores, other 5 ready stores I had to hold back until getting 100% payment. I have just checked my Amazon affiliate account and was surprised to find out that these stores have brought me $29.80 as an affiliate commission. I am amazed to see such profit from websites which had been launched not long ago (9 days ago) without any SEO and marketing work.

      I wonder, how can it be possible? I thought that such stores need rather extensive marketing work before they can start making any money. May be the reason in chosing good niches, long-tail keywords or in the amount of products presented at these sites, or jut a luck... If someone has an experience, could you share it? How long does it usually take for your Amazon affiliate sites to start bringing profit?
      Hello Yaros,

      Most likely to be from the longtail keywords, they can be very effective. The store niche or number of products in your store has nothing to do with getting anyone to your store.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Yaros
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello Yaros,

        Most likely to be from the longtail keywords, they can be very effective. The store niche or number of products in your store has nothing to do with getting anyone to your store.

        Lindy
        Thank you, Lindy. I also incline to the longtail keywords reason. Will continue testing. But the more products you have on your store, the more longtail keywords keywords your store has, isn't it?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Lindy, in europe in TV they call Zuckerberg not like in american language speak, they call it like;

    "soccerbörg" normal in american englisch; zucker= suger ,like sugerberg,sugerbörg.......
    but in europe they call him it is hearing like "soccerbörg"......

    Lindy, can I use multiple pen names in facebook? How do?
    I think I must put my real phone number to activate my fb account?
    In moment I be little bit afraid about the "data monster" fb.

    So now I look now for an good fb marketing thread and about this I make an word document to my "fb marketing plan"..............

    You are from uk? UK must be great and great people I plan to visit UK (London) in next 2 years.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @Steve; big thank to you for your tip!

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author bh4nuc0der
    Nice post mate keep it uo
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      Hello Myob
      Hello Lindy.

      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      Although I like the advice you give in general, and for beginners it is perhaps better to learn from the ground up by first learning how to promote single products, I do disagree with your statement that common cause of failure with Amazon Affiliates is from trying to promote more than one product at a time.
      Conversion rates drop considerably when prospects encounter multiple products on Amazon affiliate websites. However, by focusing on one product at a time, a prospect is far more likely to click through to the Amazon site. From there, the tremendous marketing engine of Amazon takes over, and the prospect may end up buying additional products. Furthermore, it is not unusual to see purchases completely unrelated to the original promotion thanks to Amazon's very powerful product suggestion algorithm. What I teach all my writers is that their primary job is to drive prospects to Amazon. One product at a time targeted to a specific demographic is the vehicle.


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      In fact, I think the opposite is true. I think most Amazon Affiliates fail because they are only promoting one (or a small handful) of products at a time.
      You think? Try doing some split testing with your marketing specific to Amazon; there is a better than 90% chance you will reach the same conclusion about conversion rates as I have nearly 16 years ago. Ongoing testing with additional niches repeatedly confirms these results.


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      With our Business's my Dad and I use both Out Of The Box and Logical thinking, and we have grown huge IM Business's within just 10 years.
      Congratulations!


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      Some of our thinking for Affiliate Marketing is based on the following:

      Shopping Experience - selling a single product, or even a handful of related products is like going back in time a hundred or two hundred years, when a shop may have sold a small range of pots and pans and nothing else. Or people may have gone to a Butcher to buy their meat, then to a Baker to buy their bread, then to a Market to buy their vegetables and so on.

      Of course some people still do that, but what is more popular today? Large Department Stores or Supermarkets where people have the choice of thousands of products in one place. Even smaller shops on our High Streets (or Main Streets) offer from hundreds to thousands of products.

      Now even Amazon itself is a good example of this, they started as a bookseller, but what do they offer now? Just about everything - because they understand that people prefer a one stop shopping solution. They also understand, just like Department Stores, Supermarkets, and many other Business types such as Home Depot for example, that a customer may come in with a single product purchase in mind, but because of the huge amount of products offered and on display, they are likely to walk out with a number of items, not just the single item they came to buy.
      Some of my thinking for Affiliate Marketing as an Amazon affiliate is based on the following:

      Shopping Experience - Amazon offers well over a million different products with price ranges from a few cents to hundreds of thousands of dollars or more. Most (60%+) of Amazon's sales especially in the high end are generated without affiliates at all; either through brand name recognition, direct online/offline promotions, repeat buyers etc.

      By promoting only one product at a time to our niche list subscribers, we are establishing foundations for long-term relationships and trust through a series of successful business transactions. Emails are sent on a daily basis to 96 highly targeted niche lists using this very simple marketing system - tightly focusing on just one product for up to three months. We are averaging a 43% conversion rate on these promotion cycles across all 96 niche lists.

      When any purchase is made (not always the product being promoted), the customer is then offered an incrementally higher end product over the next three-month promotion cycle. Promotion cycles continue with additional products until the subscriber stops buying, becomes inactive, unsubscribes, or dies.


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      Now it is jus logical thinking, if you are offering your customer jus one product, that's all he or she can buy from you. Or until they hear from you again and you offer them another single product, which they then might buy from you if they havn't already bought it from someone else, because they didn't even know you sold that item too.
      Email marketing and other communication channels on a daily basis makes it highly unlikely customers will buy from anyone else. We often get calls from established customers who are considering comparable products, and request our "recommendation". Customers do become quite accustomed to buying through my affiliate links because they have learned to trust me and the boys (and girls) as "experts". This is when marketing becomes its finest - the art of true salesmanship based on mutual trusting relationships.


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      The Affiliate Business Model that I put forward is hugely successful for us. Build Niche Interest Lists > Use Newsletters with Multiple Affiliate Offers > Sending them to our Stores or Websites where they have the choice of tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of related interest products.
      Good for you. But, are we really that much different in marketing approach? Our prospects get sent to a website where a million+ products are being sold.


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      I gave an example of one of my Daughters Business's where she has 5 Amazon Music Stores, another related Store and a ClickBank product, but in total could be way upwards of 100,000 items. Someone going there to buy a Guitar for example has a choice of over 26,000 Guitars and then they could look at thousands of related accessories. If they want to do some home recording, well here is another store with just as many items. They don't have to think of going anywhere else ever again, because they have found she has a Music Superstore. They are likely to buy more than the single product they came looking for, but they are also likely to come back often to buy more, because they now know that everything they can ever want is right there in these stores.

      I'll give another example, I have a Newsletter relating to young Women, from maybe 18 years of age to mid 30's or so. One advertisement in all my Newsletter issues is for an Affiliate Shop that sells perfumes, makeup and skincare products for Women, but also a huge range of men's fragrances and products, over 14,000 products in all. Can you imagine any Woman going in there and only buying 1 single product? Nooooo lol. Us girls need our beauty products, and we also buy products for Boyfriends or Husbands, even our Dads. AND we jus luv shopping, so how many sales do you think I'd be missing out on if I was offering 1 single product at a time?

      For that same niche and in each Newsletter I am also promoting Affiliate Shops offering Clothing, offering Jewellery, offering Handbags and Purses, offering Sunglass's etc.

      Women need all those things, and heaps of them. lol. Would I be a very smart girl to offer them just a tiny few products and let them buy everything else somewhere else? Nooooo! lol

      Is it harder to do then jus promoting single products. Not that much harder, Sherri is only 16 still and she's making more than an adult wage every week just from her Music List of bit over 10,000 singers/musicians/bands. My Dad and I are making around maybe two million dollars a year just from our Affiliate Marketing to about 8 different niche markets. So our Affiliate Model is well and truly proven, and I have fairly well outlined it I think in a number of posts in this thread, I think most could follow it, or can ask more questions.
      For any other affiliate network besides Amazon, even as an independent rep or vendor, I perhaps would agree with you.


      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

      So that's why I think you are wrong in that aspect of your advice.
      Likewise. So how is promoting products in the 5-6 figure price range working out for you?
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Hello Lindy.



        Conversion rates drop considerably when prospects encounter multiple products on Amazon affiliate websites. However, by focusing on one product at a time, a prospect is far more likely to click through to the Amazon site. From there, the tremendous marketing engine of Amazon takes over, and the prospect may end up buying additional products. Furthermore, it is not unusual to see purchases completely unrelated to the original promotion thanks to Amazon's very powerful product suggestion algorithm. What I teach all my writers is that their primary job is to drive prospects to Amazon. One product at a time targeted to a specific demographic is the vehicle.




        You think? Try doing some split testing with your marketing specific to Amazon; there is a better than 90% chance you will reach the same conclusion about conversion rates as I have nearly 16 years ago. Ongoing testing with additional niches repeatedly confirms these results.




        Congratulations!




        Some of my thinking for Affiliate Marketing as an Amazon affiliate is based on the following:

        Shopping Experience - Amazon offers well over a million different products with price ranges from a few cents to hundreds of thousands of dollars or more. Most (60%+) of Amazon's sales especially in the high end are generated without affiliates at all; either through brand name recognition, direct online/offline promotions, repeat buyers etc.

        By promoting only one product at a time to our niche list subscribers, we are establishing foundations for long-term relationships and trust through a series of successful business transactions. Emails are sent on a daily basis to 96 highly targeted niche lists using this very simple marketing system - tightly focusing on just one product for up to three months. We are averaging a 43% conversion rate on these promotion cycles across all 96 niche lists.

        When any purchase is made (not always the product being promoted), the customer is then offered an incrementally higher end product over the next three-month promotion cycle. Promotion cycles continue with additional products until the subscriber stops buying, becomes inactive, unsubscribes, or dies.




        Email marketing and other communication channels on a daily basis makes it highly unlikely customers will buy from anyone else. We often get calls from established customers who are considering comparable products, and request our "recommendation". Customers do become quite accustomed to buying through my affiliate links because they have learned to trust me and the boys (and girls) as "experts". This is when marketing becomes its finest - the art of true salesmanship based on mutual trusting relationships.




        Good for you. But, are we really that much different in marketing approach? Our prospects get sent to a website where a million+ products are being sold.




        For any other affiliate network besides Amazon, even as an independent rep or vendor, I perhaps would agree with you.




        Likewise. So how is promoting products in the 5-6 figure price range working out for you?
        Hello myob,

        Remember I'm a Woman so I want to get the last word in! Thanks for your detailed reply, but I still think I'm right though! lol

        But saying that, there is certainly more than one way to do most things. My Dad is Australian and he uses a funny saying: "There's more than one way to skin a cat", so yes your way will work too, jus not as good as my way. lol Jus razzing you.

        I'll answer your last question first. So far we have never really tried selling any products in the high price range. Your talking about products ranging in price from $1000 to $100,000 or more. Certainly would be good commissions to make on sales like those, but really, how many ordinary people can afford to spend those sort of amounts, compared with people with lower spending power? Say when I drive into London, I see more people driving lower priced cars than I see driving Porsche's. (I have to admit I'm a bit of a spoiled girl, my Dad bought me a Porsche Carrera for Christmas a couple of years ago) Or say with wrist watch's, Most Guys wear a watch but I will rarely see a Guy wearing a Rolex watch.

        We don't have as many niche lists as you, you say you market to 96 lists where we have only 10, including Sherri's, but we are making around two million dollars profit per year from our lists, selling lower priced items to repeat buyers. One of our lists is large, with more than 100,000 people and does account for about 75% of that profit.

        I am familiar with split testing, we do it in other IM ventures with email Subject Lines and Copy etc, but have never done it with Affiliate Marketing. I guess you mean split test your way against ours but I know that would way lower our sales. Perhaps the difference here is that you are mainly marketing high priced items and we are marketing lower priced items?

        You say - "By promoting only one product at a time to our niche list subscribers, we are establishing foundations for long-term relationships and trust through a series of successful business transactions."

        K, we are doing this in a different way. We are also establishing same foundations and trust with our list subscribers by way of our Newsletters, in fact most likely on a much more personal level than you do. We include personal stories about ourselves and our staff in our Newsletters, so over the years our subscribers have got to know us on a very personal level. As an example here, We have a special Christmas Newsletter (nothing being sold in it, jus newsy Christmassy things) and we also send out an eChristmas Card that we design ourselves, both are sent to everyone on our mailing lists, and we get thousands of eChristmas Cards back from our Subscribers. I think that would be unusual for most Business's, for their customers to have such a personal involvement with a business that many send return Christmas Cards. Our subscribers come to know us and our staff personally, by our names and our photos. They have watched Sherri growing up in photos, they have seen photos of our pets, our cats sleeping on top of our computer monitors for example, jus little personal things in our Newsletters that make us more like Family than just another Business they deal with. Likewise to your comment, our customers are unlikely to buy from anyone else with products that we offer.

        Your comment - "But, are we really that much different in marketing approach? Our prospects get sent to a website where a million+ products are being sold. " Your right, we're not that much different, your likely to be just as passionate about your Business as we are, loving what you do the same as we do. We just have different approach's.

        It's just that, my way is better than yours! lol lol lol.

        Blessed Be

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

          Perhaps the difference here is that you are mainly marketing high priced items and we are marketing lower priced items?
          Not quite. We are mainly selling high priced items to highly targeted demographics, and Amazon's suggestion system adds multiple lower priced items on nearly every order for us. But, you'll get the last word.
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          • Profile picture of the author KBeamon
            LindyUK & Myob along with a host of others have given some sound advice in this thread. I appreciate all the knowledge you guys have shared here. LindyUK, just the other day I was thinking about a mega site/store like you are explaining here but had no idea how to execute it. I will re-read all your post in here so I can better understand how to do so. If you can direct me to a wso or provide me with more info on how to do so I would greatly appreciate it.


            In the meantime I will copy and paste all the great info into a word doc like you suggested to that gentleman.
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            Not quite. We are mainly selling high priced items to highly targeted demographics, and Amazon's suggestion system adds multiple lower priced items on nearly every order for us. But, you'll get the last word.
            Yes of course I will myob! lol.

            I'll take you to a Superstore or Mall sometime an show you how the modern shopping experience works. An you can try and point out to me all these dazed shoppers who are so confused from all the choices offered to them.

            Oh, an you can buy the milkshakes, that's jus standard when you go shopping with a blonde! lol.

            Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author cowboyhaze
    I make about $4-500 a month pushing mostly items under $20, it takes several channels and a variety of tactics to get to where I am. I'd like to learn even more advanced techniques to get over $1k a month!
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    The problem with virtually ALL affiliate programs is the small commissions. I'm part of a program that was the FIRST to offer 100% commissions. That's the way to go!
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @Lindy; big big thank to you again!!!

    wow, amazing information stuff here, I speak from my own experience, had a company from 8 years ago, I start again from zero.

    Most people buy not so high price items and only a small fraction of people buying high priced items above $1000 that is not the mass, I think 80% buys lower priced items, 20% higher priced items, you see that same sometime in the B2B branch example in my branch 8 years ago terracotta import;

    terracotta from sienna is more elegant and much thicker ,frozen stabil more as the terracotta from asia, but what are the most B2B consumers buy? The italian sienna or asian terracotta?

    Notice: in this branche you must have good amount of capital , the cake is divided, you must have capital to sell on trade fair with a big standing showroom,with a small 40qm you have no chances.

    Look at silex, universal pottery (german entrepreneur) etc,etc...these are big boys.

    Lindy; I will not start from zero to build a "hobby" online income, I will build a real business !!!
    So when I read your last thread, to build such a large business,I need minimum 5000 subscribers,for each niche.............??

    I get these numbers fast only from facebook????

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      @Lindy; big big thank to you again!!!

      wow, amazing information stuff here, I speak from my own experience, had a company from 8 years ago, I start again from zero.

      Most people buy not so high price items and only a small fraction of people buying high priced items above $1000 that is not the mass, I think 80% buys lower priced items, 20% higher priced items, you see that same sometime in the B2B branch example in my branch 8 years ago terracotta import;

      terracotta from sienna is more elegant and much thicker ,frozen stabil more as the terracotta from asia, but what are the most B2B consumers buy? The italian sienna or asian terracotta?

      Notice: in this branche you must have good amount of capital , the cake is divided, you must have capital to sell on trade fair with a big standing showroom,with a small 40qm you have no chances.

      Look at silex, universal pottery (german entrepreneur) etc,etc...these are big boys.

      Lindy; I will not start from zero to build a "hobby" online income, I will build a real business !!!
      So when I read your last thread, to build such a large business,I need minimum 5000 subscribers,for each niche.............??

      I get these numbers fast only from facebook????

      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      You jus start building your lists, everyone starts from scratch, even us! One of our lists is way over 100,000 now but it started at 0, we just keep building it and have been doing for a few years.

      They say with IM that if your list is targeted and you are sending good or interesting content to keep them engaged and subscribed, and sending relevant Affiliate Offers to them, than your list is worth at least $1 per month for every Subscriber on it. I think that's a fairly good average, we may get jus a little bit more on some lists.

      Yes FaceBook is a really good way to build lists quickly, something you should start learning. But I havn't got time to teach you, I'm a busy girl, lol. But there is plenty of information in Warrior Forum and by Google Search's, or from WSO ebooks or courses put out by Warrior members. Look for Free information first in Warrior Forum threads or by Google Search.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    Let's get some numbers going. First off, you need a high ticket item to make some money. Affiliate companies are in business to make money. They pay low commissions. Hard to make any money when you are selling a one dollar item from amazon. A good high ticket item is an expensive camera. Well, you will need to physically have the camera to do a review. Basically, you create a video and put it up on you tube to drive traffic to your web pages. In the video you have to describe the benefits of buying this camera. Please put videos of accessories. Most of these would be lenses, tripods, lighting equipment. OK so all of these are sold on amazon.

    4% conversion is the industry average. Also, 4% commission is amazon average. That means a $2,000 camera yields you $80 in commission. If you get 100 visitors per day, that is 4 sales or $320 in commissions. Not bad for posting some reviews.

    How do you get expensive cameras?

    Best option is to get a shutterbug friend to loan you one. Perhaps, you don't have any rich friends, but only enemies. Well, there is a camera rental place that loans cameras for the weekend and a $1000 camera costs $38 on average. That can get expensive.

    Driving to pick up a camera means a lot of gas. Perhaps you can use UPS or a similar service. Cost of shipping is expensive. Big lenses are heavy I tell you. Still, I can get a $2,000 camera with lenses for approx $100 from a rental company.

    Question for you. Do you like photography?

    It would not be a good niche unless you really like the area. For me it is hard to sell an item unless I have a passion. Then I have no trouble convincing consumers.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by seobro View Post

      Let's get some numbers going. First off, you need a high ticket item to make some money. Affiliate companies are in business to make money. They pay low commissions. Hard to make any money when you are selling a one dollar item from amazon. A good high ticket item is an expensive camera. Well, you will need to physically have the camera to do a review. Basically, you create a video and put it up on you tube to drive traffic to your web pages. In the video you have to describe the benefits of buying this camera. Please put videos of accessories. Most of these would be lenses, tripods, lighting equipment. OK so all of these are sold on amazon.

      4% conversion is the industry average. Also, 4% commission is amazon average. That means a $2,000 camera yields you $80 in commission. If you get 100 visitors per day, that is 4 sales or $320 in commissions. Not bad for posting some reviews.

      How do you get expensive cameras?

      Best option is to get a shutterbug friend to loan you one. Perhaps, you don't have any rich friends, but only enemies. Well, there is a camera rental place that loans cameras for the weekend and a $1000 camera costs $38 on average. That can get expensive.

      Driving to pick up a camera means a lot of gas. Perhaps you can use UPS or a similar service. Cost of shipping is expensive. Big lenses are heavy I tell you. Still, I can get a $2,000 camera with lenses for approx $100 from a rental company.

      Question for you. Do you like photography?

      It would not be a good niche unless you really like the area. For me it is hard to sell an item unless I have a passion. Then I have no trouble convincing consumers.
      Hello seobro,

      I love photography, has been a hobby and passion for me since I was a teen in school.

      But you don't need to hire a camera to write a review on it. You would have to be an experienced photographer anyway to do that. You just search with Google to find information to write reviews.

      It's like, if I were selling a course to Guys on How To Date Girls, I wouldn't have to date girls to get information to write my review! I might get into trouble that way since I'm a girl myself. lol

      Sure the reviews idea works but you are competing with hundreds to thousands of other Affiliates who are doing exactly the same thing. We like doing things different, though I realise our ways maybe need a bit more learning and experience.

      If I was going to promote photography items I might first start building a Community interested in Photography, so I can market to them.

      Then I now have my very own Pond filled with fish. I am not jus fishing in the wide open sea along with everyone else.

      Jus to show how we think - food for thought!

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author marco005
        Hi,

        Linda, you are genius!


        best wishes
        marco005
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

          Hi,

          Linda, you are genius!


          best wishes
          marco005
          Geez marco, you have to remember I'm a Blonde! We are not known to be genius's! lol.

          Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author davigol
    Hi ,

    I once wrote here how I got way more then $1K a month from blog commets , however got kicked from this blog ...
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Lindy I know, loool, ok blonde women are nice in my eyes no dumb.

    I think I must spend facebook ads to get monthly a good storm of traffic and subscribers?

    How good must the content on fb be? Is it enough to post 2 times a week a 300-400 word
    article for $4 ???

    Now I learn about the fb traffic and lead capture method.......

    Does anyone here has experience with squidoo and amazon? Build 1 huge squid lens and write about 1 good amazon product? Many says squidoo works well with amazon.....

    Or: does squidoo works better than facebook to get subscribers?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author cooler1
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Does anyone here has experience with squidoo and amazon? Build 1 huge squid lens and write about 1 good amazon product? Many says squidoo works well with amazon.....

      Or: does squidoo works better than facebook to get subscribers?

      best wishes
      marco005
      You might want to look at Sara Young's Easy Paycheck Formula 2. She specializes in Squidoo and says that it's still a good option.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      Lindy I know, loool, ok blonde women are nice in my eyes no dumb.

      I think I must spend facebook ads to get monthly a good storm of traffic and subscribers?

      How good must the content on fb be? Is it enough to post 2 times a week a 300-400 word
      article for $4 ???

      Now I learn about the fb traffic and lead capture method.......

      Does anyone here has experience with squidoo and amazon? Build 1 huge squid lens and write about 1 good amazon product? Many says squidoo works well with amazon.....

      Or: does squidoo works better than facebook to get subscribers?

      best wishes
      marco005
      If we want to be successful with our Internet Business's, we have to think of them as REAL Business's, the same way as any High Street/Main Street/Brick & Mortar Business does. We can actually copy a lot of what they do, but we have the advantage that we have even more promotional resources available to us. We have many ways of promoting our Business's for free, plus other ways where we may have to invest some money for our promotions.

      So, if we look at a successful Brick & Mortar Business, they might be advertising in local newspapers, advertising on radio, advertising on TV, advertising in all sorts of ways.

      So we do that too, we use as many ways as we can to start funnelling leads for our List Building (or our Direct Selling for those working that way)
      We don't jus use say Squidoo - we use Squidoo Plus Plus Plus as many other ways as we possibly can.

      Now you can start with free methods like Squidoo, BUT remember, we are building a REAL Business and we do have to invest some money into building and running our Business's.

      I'v already mentioned FaceBook as being one of the best ways to build targeted Lists. You can start for free of course, setting up your Fan Pages and attracting people to them by normal FB marketing methods, but I'll show you a better way to do this if you are able to put some investment into your marketing. I'm assuming that you have spent time already learning the basics of marketing and FB marketing, and that you already have everything else set up.

      So marco, you said: "I think I must spend facebook ads to get monthly a good storm of traffic and subscribers?"

      Yes, the reason FB is so great is that you have over a Billion people in one place that you can potentially market to or add to your lists, and you can highly target them by their interests, gender, age etc.

      So yes you can buy FB Ads to try to attract people to your offers or lists.

      But there is an even better way of targeting your FB Ads if you can afford to invest in your Business and buy a software called Social Lead Freak.

      We can jus about say that for any niche we choose there would already be FB Groups for them, often many and often with large numbers. Do some search's yourself and see.

      Now SLF allows us to find all these common Groups, then extract the FB ID's of all their Members. Then we can buy our FB Ads but have FB serve our Ads to ONLY these members, who we know are ALREADY interested in what we are offering.

      So again, if my niche was Photography, I can target jus people who I know are interested in Photography, because they belong to FB Groups relating to Photography.

      The rest is up to how well you have set up your mousetrap to lure them to you, for them to want to be involved with you, to want to become fans of your FB page, and to join your list for your Newsletter and offerings etc. The more you can involve them, the more engaged they will be with you.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post


        Now SLF allows us to find all these common Groups, then extract the FB ID's of all their Members. Then we can buy our FB Ads but have FB serve our Ads to ONLY these members, who we know are ALREADY interested in what we are offering.

        Lindy
        So is your ad promoting a product/offer or are you using FB ads to build a list? Seems like with SLF you kind of instantly get a list of sorts. As long as people keep using Facebook they will see your offers. That leads me to my next question. How is the CPC on those super targeted ads? I used FB ads to promote a FB page for likes and it cost me about .20 cents per click. A bit more than I hoped to spend (I'm a penny pincher). Being able to laser target with IDs seems like a huge advantage and may justify the cost.

        I'm starting to build my lists now that I have some websites ready, any tips or advice you can give based on personal experience? Paid or free methods. Websites have already made money and I'm looking to reinvest it in the business. I think that is the key for amazon or any type of affiliates.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

          So is your ad promoting a product/offer or are you using FB ads to build a list? Seems like with SLF you kind of instantly get a list of sorts. As long as people keep using Facebook they will see your offers. That leads me to my next question. How is the CPC on those super targeted ads? I used FB ads to promote a FB page for likes and it cost me about .20 cents per click. A bit more than I hoped to spend (I'm a penny pincher). Being able to laser target with IDs seems like a huge advantage and may justify the cost.

          I'm starting to build my lists now that I have some websites ready, any tips or advice you can give based on personal experience? Paid or free methods. Websites have already made money and I'm looking to reinvest it in the business. I think that is the key for amazon or any type of affiliates.
          Hello Wickaman

          We are using FB to build our lists, not to directly promote a product.

          Because you are now extremely laser targeting your FB ads you will get a higher click ratio so cost per click will come down.

          You consider cost of acquiring customers in relation to life time value of those customers. So really if you are building targeted niche lists and have the infrastructure set up to retain and market to your list over the long term, even your .20cents to acquire that customer to your list is a good investment. Not so though if you were only promoting single offers.

          Tips or Advice: read all my posts in this thread, I'v given lots of personal advice of how we do Affiliate Marketing. Also read posts from Alexa and Myob, who do Affiliate Marketing in a different way. Copy all those posts to a Word Doc and build up your own reference source, add any other good advice you find to your Affiliate Marketing Database.

          Re your statement "Websites have already made money and I'm looking to reinvest it in the business. I think that is the key for amazon or any type of affiliates"

          Reinvesting in your Business is the KEY to growing ANY Business, Online or Offline. And so is investing in yourself by way of continued Learning.

          With our Online Business's we have to treat them as being REAL Business's, if you treat your Business as a hobby it will pay you like a hobby - ie pay you nothing jus cost you money.

          Lindy
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    • Profile picture of the author Satdin
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      Lindy I know, loool, ok blonde women are nice in my eyes no dumb.

      I think I must spend facebook ads to get monthly a good storm of traffic and subscribers?

      How good must the content on fb be? Is it enough to post 2 times a week a 300-400 word
      article for $4 ???

      Now I learn about the fb traffic and lead capture method.......

      Does anyone here has experience with squidoo and amazon? Build 1 huge squid lens and write about 1 good amazon product? Many says squidoo works well with amazon.....

      Or: does squidoo works better than facebook to get subscribers?

      best wishes
      marco005
      Hi Marco,

      I had more than 1000 lenses on squidoo and earning were 5 figure every month. But due to squidoo's craziness me and other thousands of lensmaker lost their lenses. Squidoo deleted more than 100k lenses. So better work with your own sites than on other's.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    can I use a pen name when I open a facebook account or multiples when I have multilpe niches?

    I not want have my name on 5 different niches on fb, that not looks famous for an affiliate.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    wow! Lindy you are great!

    Lindy, do you capture leads on your fb fanpage or does with the software your leads go to your own hosted website?

    PS: I like the movie actor Simon Pegg, he looks a little bit like my nephew hehehe, England, England...
    yupp, great britain is great.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author elijahdean24
    Screen shots of income are very tricky because they can be created, I think people sell the methods after they do not work anymore.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by elijahdean24 View Post

      Screen shots of income are very tricky because they can be created, I think people sell the methods after they do not work anymore.
      Hello elijahdean,

      Not sure what you are referring too re the screenshots of income, are you meaning from Social Lead Freak, or just Software Sales Pages in general?

      I'm sure some are not real as you say, but I am recommending Social Lead Freak because we use it ourselves and know it works.

      We use it for list building for Affiliate Marketing as well as in General IM and also for our main Companies involved with Offline Business's.

      We started our IM Business's with Affiliate Marketing, but it's now actually one of the smallest segments of our IM Busines's, but as I'v stated in other posts in this thread, we make around two million dollars profit per annum from jus Affiliate Marketing.

      So I think people can trust what I recommend, I'm not selling anything jus showing how we approach Affiliate Marketing in a different way to most others. An I don't show screenshots of our figures, people can believe or not, that's up to them. I'v jus stated our figures to show that yes you can make over 1000 per month from Amazon - the title of this thread.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    facebook questions;

    How I get facebook opt in's to promote my own website?
    Does these facebook subscribers are my clients in aweber account?

    Must I build a fanpage and must first write 3-4 post on them before buy fb ads?

    And then put a big opt in field in there?
    And after then buy fb ads, target as possible .

    And after then?
    Must I write post 3-4 times a week on my fanpage?

    I look for a guide for that.


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
    Just thought I'd chime in to say how much I am really enjoying this thread and especially Myob and Lindys excellent information. I do fairly well out of Amazon with review sites but but utilizing list building and Facebook will be the next steps in my business strategy.
    I've had some great aha moments in this thread and once again guys thanks for sharing your knowledge.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
      Originally Posted by Stevie C View Post

      Just thought I'd chime in to say how much I am really enjoying this thread and especially Myob and Lindys excellent information. I do fairly well out of Amazon with review sites but but utilizing list building and Facebook will be the next steps in my business strategy.
      I've had some great aha moments in this thread and once again guys thanks for sharing your knowledge.
      I'm also in the process of trying to implement list building into my amz review sites. It seems a bit tricky for our style of site do you have any ideas?
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by larimorebf View Post

      It did not occur to me to search for the really high priced expensive items.
      My company regularly sells Amazon products well into the 5 figure price range. As far as I know, all affiliates who achieve this level of sales begin by first building trust and consistently engaging customers on a personal basis through some kind of an integrated communication system, including email and often extending into offline contact.

      In addition to what was discussed beginning early on in this thread, this reference may provide some advanced marketing ideas: Anybody promote Amazon products that cost $10k+?.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Sojourn's wso is that flip the world?
    This is listbuilding with an free blogger (blogspot) and implemente this in facebook, I wonder
    that this works for business people, business people have their own website/squeeze page /opt in page.

    ???

    vest wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Lindy, this is huge content a 4 page newsletter.

    Do you use simple email format or html format for the newsletter?

    In newsletter is it best to promote affiliate products at the end of the content?

    I think the most make not so long newsletter, most will be 400-600 words long.

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      Lindy, this is huge content a 4 page newsletter.

      Do you use simple email format or html format for the newsletter?

      In newsletter is it best to promote affiliate products at the end of the content?

      I think the most make not so long newsletter, most will be 400-600 words long.

      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      No, a 4 page Newsletter isn't huge content at all.

      Remember I told you that you have to Think. So think if you were a Guy who's interest was motor bikes or motor cycles.

      So you want to buy a Magazine about motor bikes, would you prefer to buy one with 2 pages or with 200 pages? Of course you would buy the one with 200 pages because this is your interest and you want to read and learn as much as you can about motor bikes.

      So our Newsletters have to engage and retain our List Members. (meaning keep our mailing list members interested and wanting to read our next Newsletter - so they want to stay on our Lists)

      Questions 2 & 3 I have previously answered

      Re "I think the most make not so long newsletter, most will be 400-600 words long"

      400 to 600 words would be more like a single article.

      Perhaps you are not understanding what our idea of a Newsletter is. It is a collection of interesting content (short articles) sprinkled with our Ads for Affiliate products.

      I'v already given this example too, but I'll jus elaborate on it. Sherri finds interesting content (articles) that she can use for her Newsletter, often jus from the Internet or MSN. One recent article was about Eric Clapton Guitars selling at Auction for high prices.

      You can do a Google search for: "guitars sell at high auction price" to see that article and similar articles that have run on MSN.

      So that original article is about 400 words. She may have rewrote or spinned it, or pinched it as is, but whatever, it's an article that would interest musicians and bands, but then gives her an opportunity to follow that article with a related Ad for her Guitar Shop. She followed the Eric Clapton article with a Headline something like: You May Not Be Able To Afford A Classic Eric Clapton Guitar But We Have Over 20,000 Guitars at (her Website Ad/link)

      So the Newsletter is a collection of short Articles of interest to her Subscribers/Readers plus a number of Affiliate Ads sprinkled through the Newsletter.

      Think of it as like a mini Magazine, Magazines have articles that attract the Reader to the Magazine in the first place, then they serve up Ads that those Readers may be interested in.

      Single articles are fine for website content, blog or FB posts, article site promotion etc., but not enough for an interesting Newsletter that your Subscribers will want to keep reading issue after issue. You need interesting content and variety of content, they may have already found and read some of your content elsewhere, but if you have a variety of content they should find sufficient interest to want to read what you have in your next issue and so on.

      Do you understand it explained that way?

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Jus to expand on my post above re Newsletter content.

        Where can we get content from? Answer is everywhere!

        If say my niche was for Internet Marketing - I could most lkely find enough interesting content to re-spin jus from signing up to a number of other high profile Internet Marketers Newsletters. I might also use the Warrior Forum, see what questions people are asking and use those in my Newsletter - providing answers - again I could even use good answers provided in WF as basis for my own answer content. I could use content from Google search's on IM subjects etc.

        If my niche was the Pet Niche - well I often read and watch beautiful or funny stories video's about pets and animals. I'm sure other Pet and Animal lovers would like these too, so I could use these as some content, and supply links to the videos.

        If we find any good content or articles on a subject we are interested in, we will copy them into a Word Doc for that subject - we are building up our own content database for that subject for possible future use.

        In any Niche I was promoting, I wouldn't restrict myself to jus Online content that I could find either. Are there print Magazines available for that topic? OK, so I could pinch content from them and re-spin it, or be getting ideas for content from their articles.


        You have to think outside the square, don't restrict yourself to being in a very small box with the way you think.

        Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Thanks again Lindy, that's genius! I have learned more again.....
    It is new for me I never had hearing that a long newsletter full with articles is much better than with 1 5oo words articles,so people many do.

    Wow amazing, you are genius Lindy!


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    is pinterest a good traffic stream to build a huge list fast?


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author createyouwealth
    The key with amazon is to promote high ticket items. Mainly because the commission percentage is very low with amazon. That's why there are not many amazon affiliates.
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  • Profile picture of the author davidmcsweeney
    It is completely possible to make $1,000 a month (and the rest) from amazon, but it takes a lot of hard work, commitment, research and (perhaps) a little luck!

    I wrote up quite a detailed tutorial (it's 4,500 words...) on my blog a month or so back, which went through launching a new affiliate site (predominately monetised through amazon) and getting the traffic and revenue up in a 6 month period from $0 to just under $4,000. Amazon revenue in month 6 was $2,854.

    To summarise, you need to find: -

    1) A popular product with a price point that is not too high and not too low (£100 is my sweet spot)
    2) It shouldn't be over saturated in the affiliate space (we'd all love to promote kindles, but it's going to be a nightmare to rank)
    3) Ideally the product should be available from a number of retailers (i.e. outside amazon) as it's never a good idea to put all your eggs into one basket

    Then you need to...

    Really offer value. I mean really.

    Write *the best* *most detailed* reviews on the internet for the product(s), write up how to guides, tutorials - make your site *the authority* on the product.

    Offering price comparison is a good idea too.

    And then you need...

    Some links. Not tens of thousands, not millions, just some decent quality ones from related sites in your niche. Securing some high quality guest posts is probably the best tactic here and outreach for your well written, truly valuable non commercial content.

    You're not going to be able to do it with any automated tools, by scraping other sites, or spinning articles, but if you can find the right product(s) and are willing to put the hard work and time in (I spent 234 hours working on my site over the 6 month period) you can absolutely make great money with amazon!

    Hopefully the above helps... if you want to read my full blog post on how I grew my amazon site, there's a link in my sig on my profile.
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  • Profile picture of the author EllenMoore
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    I have a client, Amazon affiliate, with sites dedicated to toys, home appliances (vaccuums and coffee makers, to be more precise), and Amazon best selling electronics. He orders content of over $1000 every month, so I am sure he makes a lot more.
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  • Profile picture of the author Andy Money
    The biggest problem with Amazon is getting good traffic and getting it for free - at least in my opinion. This of course is virtually impossible unless you get super creative, but once you've cracked the code you can make a ton with Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    does amazon has cut the affiliate commissions to $10 per sale for most products not only electronics?

    I have heard this from some amazon europe affiliates , so when you sell 50 products on your site (example) each with $300, so you not get around 5% comission from $15000, you only get $10 per sale=

    50 salesx$10 = $500 comission payout and not $750 (5% from $15000)

    Is that through?


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author AlexRich
      Hi marco005,

      the amazon program in Europe is different - to the USA. Just have a look at the Amazon site and compare.
      In Europe you get a max. of 10 EUR or 7 GBP for every item. There are some exceptions (MP3-products, Javari..)

      Europe: You start with a 5% commission for 1-20 products...21-50 products = 5,5%...10000-30000 products = 8% and 30001 = 9%

      America: 631 - 1570 sales = 8%

      I've just started with Amazon two month ago and it is frustating to see just 10 EUR in commission instead of 20 EUR. But it is still fun and I am on a learning curve.

      I would have earned more in commission with the US program, but I guess it is another competition as well.

      You should also read the Agreement and License you'll sign. After applying myself, I often wonder, why I don't see correct price details or info tags e.g. on other affiliate sites.

      best wishes
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  • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
    Lindy-your posts and this thread has my head spinning. You have given away more value here than most of the WSOs that I have bought this year :-)

    I have a few questions, if you would be so kind just to share a few more nuggets.

    You consider your Amazon stores as "malls". I'm just curious how your "malls" are set up. Are they set up as wordpress sites and you just use Amazon stores inside, or are you using some other software to build your sites?

    I'm assuming that you really don't concentrate on SEO or natural search engine traffic to get visitors to your sites? You use the power of Facebook to drive the traffic?

    And I"m assuming that you have a "freebie" to give away to get your visitors to sign up for your list?

    One last question and I promise I'll stop. When you do your newsletters do you do them almost like a traditional newsletter and then just publish them as a PDF?

    Again, thanks for sharing your knowlege with us!
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  • Profile picture of the author NellyColby
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    Hi, I don't trust their statements. It is possible that some of them are true, but I don't think that anyone could make a living from being an Amazon affiliate. To sell so many products you have to own a website with a very high ranking, and this requires a lot of work, knowledge and money.
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    • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
      Originally Posted by NellyColby View Post

      Hi, I don't trust their statements. It is possible that some of them are true, but I don't think that anyone could make a living from being an Amazon affiliate. To sell so many products you have to own a website with a very high ranking, and this requires a lot of work, knowledge and money.
      Not true. I am just one of several people making a full time income from Amazon, others would likely include Erica Stone, Gaz Cooper, Jan Roos and many, many more who don't even visit this forum. Amazon have paid billions of dollars to their affiliates.

      You certainly don't need a very high ranking, unless you're doing the Amazon Review site model, even then you'd be surprised at how many items on bestseller lists are easy to rank for.

      Work and knowledge is a prerequisite for success in any business, and you can start up with less than a hundred dollars.

      Quick tip: it's just as easy to sell someone a high price item as it is a low price item, as the person's want for the product aleady exists.
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by NellyColby View Post

      I don't think that anyone could make a living from being an Amazon affiliate.
      I know people who do.

      Most of my own income comes from ClickBank, because I'd been doing that for over 3 years before I added Amazon to what I do, but even my Amazon income - having been doing it for less than 2 years - would be a "living" to some people.

      Originally Posted by NellyColby View Post

      To sell so many products you have to own a website with a very high ranking
      No ... sorry to appear so argumentative, Nelly, but this is really completely wrong.

      You're presupposing that all successful Amazon affiliates are using Google as a traffic source - and many aren't at all.

      I'd be happy to agree with you that probably not very many people depending only on SEO for their traffic will be making a full-time living from it! But there are countless other traffic sources, apart from SEO.

      If Google de-indexed all my websites tomorrow, I don't think it would reduce my total monthly Amazon income by more than 1% or 2%.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        There's plenty of people making $1,000+ a month on Amazon, and remember, Amazon is quite seasonal, so, let's say someone's earned $12,000 from Amazon for the year, chances are, they're going to make most of that from now til Christmas.

        Of course, if they're promoting a summer item, it'll be the opposite.

        Get your product and keyword selection right from the get go.

        Very high ticket items are tempting to promote, but just make sure people are buying them... a quick look at the review time stamps will tell you this.

        Make sure your reviews are quality, and have a video review above the fold.

        Personally, I think Amazon's trust factor out weighs their low commissions and crap cookie length.

        Also, keep an eye on Amazon's promotions, sometimes there's good deals that are related to your niche.
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  • Profile picture of the author Nicole Sakoman
    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    Many does truly make 1000's of $$ monthly, weekly, some (very rarely) even daily...

    However... most people you see PayPal "proofs" are crappy proofs, trying to hunt someone and turn him to buyer

    But, as I said... there are many people living like kings from Amazon.

    Hope it helps...
    Nicole
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    • Profile picture of the author ravenx
      LindyUK. Can you tell us how your landing page generally looks. How does the capture page convey that you will be sending these people amazon links and prep them to purchase through them?
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by ravenx View Post

        LindyUK. Can you tell us how your landing page generally looks. How does the capture page convey that you will be sending these people amazon links and prep them to purchase through them?
        Hello ravenx,

        It doesn't tell them we will be sending them links or prep them to purchase from us. I'v never seen a landing or squeeze page that does that.

        It tells them what we are giving them, about our Music Newsletter in my examples, gives them reasons why they should get our free Newsletter.

        It's graphical, very Muso so attracts their attention fast. I'v read where people say the new thing in squeeze or landing pages is like Web 2.0 or Wordpress style, really plain. So do those people like Magazines without pictures? Example: If you were selling anything to do with Harley Davidson motor bikes do you think having a nice picture of a Harley Davidson bike on your pages might just get attention. yesss.

        The Newsletters are the key to our way of selling, the links are scattered through the articles, sometimes we can relate the article to the Ad, but they don't look out of place. You read a Magazine an you expect to read Ads too.

        Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author bar0n
    I've been trying with amazon without a lot of success. Not sure what I'm doing wrong, but I give up. Adsense is my favourite
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Jones
    It's not easy to make 1k/month, but it is possible. I've been an Amazon Affiliate for almost 2 years and make ~750/month. I could probably push it over 1k if I put in a lot more work, but there are easier ways to make money .
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @satdin; you have 1000 lenses to make 5 figure in month, so is that no possible to make $300-500 every month wih only 1 big squidoo lens and amazon products. like Seargent Logan method as example?


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      is that no possible to make $300-500 every month wih only 1 big squidoo lens and amazon products.
      Hi Marco - Squidoo is not a sensible way to try to sell Amazon products. They, not you, own the lenses. You're not in control. It isn't really your business. Even some of the people who used to promote Squidoo-related WSO's here a year ago are now openly advising people to use their own sites instead. You can see why here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8109462

      Squidoo also gives its lens-creators only 50% of the commissions they make from Amazon sales. If you sell Amazon products yourself, as an independent affiliate, you can get your commission-level up from 4% to 8.5%. If you do it through Squidoo (who - by their own admission - have deleted over 100,000 lenses over the last year!), and use their Amazon links rather than yours, you can't: half of Squidoo's 8.5% is the most you'll get. It's not even worth talking about. :p
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      • Profile picture of the author Chri5123
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Hi Marco - Squidoo is not a sensible way to try to sell Amazon products. They, not you, own the lenses. You're not in control. It isn't really your business. Even some of the people who used to promote Squidoo-related WSO's here a year ago are now openly advising people to use their own sites instead. You can see why here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8109462

        Squidoo also gives its lens-creators only 50% of the commissions they make from Amazon sales. If you sell Amazon products yourself, as an independent affiliate, you can get your commission-level up from 4% to 8.5%. If you do it through Squidoo (who - by their own admission - have deleted over 100,000 lenses over the last year!), you can't. It's not even worth talking about. :p
        This ^

        I actually had a WSO on how to make money with Squidoo and Amazon - it works, yes BUT you should always aim to own your own content.

        I have had many lenses deleted for spamming and honestly the content was unique but they were in an effort to sell Amazon products.

        You CAN still use them but you will need to invest A LOT of time on making the content absolutely amazing and then you have no real guarantee that they will not lock your lens.

        If they do you can still download the content but it is best to build your own sites from the outset.

        Once you have a product that is bringing in sales from Amazon if you own the site and the content you can sell it too for a lump sum.

        Simple Version: Always own your own content and build your OWN network of sites.

        Chris
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      • Profile picture of the author thedog
        Originally Posted by Alexa Smith View Post

        Hi Marco - Squidoo is not a sensible way to try to sell Amazon products. They, not you, own the lenses. You're not in control. It isn't really your business. Even some of the people who used to promote Squidoo-related WSO's here a year ago are now openly advising people to use their own sites instead. You can see why here: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ml#post8109462

        Squidoo also gives its lens-creators only 50% of the commissions they make from Amazon sales. If you sell Amazon products yourself, as an independent affiliate, you can get your commission-level up from 4% to 8.5%. If you do it through Squidoo (who - by their own admission - have deleted over 100,000 lenses over the last year!), you can't: half of Squidoo's 8.5% is the most you'll get. It's not even worth talking about. :p
        Good point, but I wouldn't knock them completely.

        Web 2.0's are still good for backlinks, so, always send your web 2.0 traffic back to your main affiliate website.

        I had no idea it was 100,000, I imagine they were mostly garbage lenses.

        Or were they just light on content?
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        • Profile picture of the author DianneH
          Hey everyone,

          This is a great thread and I have read through a lot of the posts but do not know if someone asked this question somewhere along the way.

          Does anyone know how you become a member of the warrior book club?

          I am already a war room member. In other words, how do I get access?

          Thanks,

          Dianne
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        • Profile picture of the author Alexa Smith
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          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          Web 2.0's are still good for backlinks
          All Squidoo's external backlinks have been no-follow since early this year. And these days, they won't tolerate people "using them for backlinks", because they see that as part of the cause of their latest round of dramatic Google problems which cost them so much of their income. Hence the enormous number of lens-removals. There will always be problems like that with Web 2.0 sites.

          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          always send your web 2.0 traffic back to your main affiliate website.
          I know it defies all common sense and reason, but some people are imagining that this is a viable way of having an affiliate marketing business without having their own "main affiliate website"! :p

          Originally Posted by thedog View Post

          I imagine they were mostly garbage lenses.
          Not at all ... some of them were excellent lenses. Some of the very few that I visited regularly (because they were updated regularly) disappeared, apparently entirely arbitrarily. Some of the conversations on Squidoo's own forum, earlier this year, were absolutely astonishing (the "choicest" threads were quickly deleted, needless to say! :p ).
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  • Profile picture of the author ParkerFar
    Have you considered Kindle publishing? I know it's not exactly what you are looking for but it is directly related. The KDP program is becoming very robust and it is a fairly simple way to make money. It's also crazy inexpensive if you can write yourself and you know basic graphic design. I have even outsourced some writing and had success. Although this isn't my primary business you may find it a valuable revenue source for you. I know you can hit 1000 a month if you put in the effort. I did it in about 2 months. Good luck Warrior!
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    i guess this is where i tell everyone i have a blog, among other things - www.parkerfarington.com

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    • Profile picture of the author Richard Van
      Originally Posted by ParkerFar View Post

      I know you can hit 1000 a month if you put in the effort. I did it in about 2 months. Good luck Warrior!
      That's really good, well done.

      As someone who hasn't reached your lofty heights on Kindle, I and others would be very interested in how you researched the book you were going to write, wrote the book, promoted the book and got it to the sales level of $1000 a month mark, in just 2 months.

      That's very good indeed from a standing start, seeing as you recommend it as an easy alternative I think people, especially me, would be enormously grateful if you could tell us some more information.

      You'll certainly get a flood of thanks. I look forward to your response.

      Originally Posted by DianneH View Post

      Hey everyone,

      This is a great thread and I have read through a lot of the posts but do not know if someone asked this question somewhere along the way.

      Does anyone know how you become a member of the warrior book club?

      I am already a war room member. In other words, how do I get access?

      Thanks,

      Dianne
      Hi Dianne,

      I believe you just visit the sub-forum and join. I think it costs but all the information is in the sub-forum
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      Wibble, bark, my old man's a mushroom etc...

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  • Profile picture of the author IvailoHubchev
    Of course! It is possible to earn even $10 000/month, but it requires two things:
    1. You must have the right strategy and the right coach. Someone who already earns good amount of money and know what is he doing.
    2. You must Take Action!

    You can't make money with these $7 courses and with these plugins that make your site from scratch in 30 seconds, simply because google see that there are many of these sites, used by thousands of people and they all look the same and don't have any useful information and what Google does is it simply remove them from their rankings. Hope it makes sense to all, because this is the true!
    My suggestion is to go out there and find amazon affiliates who offer one on one coaching and to take their coaching. Even if it's $1000 take it it's worth it. But first look if there are any success stories and is he trustworthy.
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  • Profile picture of the author saulyd
    Wow! There's an hour and half I did plan for! Great thread, thank you all for the great information!
    Lindy- You got my light bulbs popping! I too have similar questions as post #159 above... look forward to your insight!

    Thanks again all!
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by saulyd View Post

      Wow! There's an hour and half I did plan for! Great thread, thank you all for the great information!
      Lindy- You got my light bulbs popping! I too have similar questions as post #159 above... look forward to your insight!

      Thanks again all!
      Hello saulyd,

      Her questions were:

      You consider your Amazon stores as "malls". I'm just curious how your "malls" are set up. Are they set up as wordpress sites and you just use Amazon stores inside, or are you using some other software to build your sites?

      ANSWER - Yes we are actually making a Front End Website and we put the links to our Amazon Store or Stores, Plus Links to other Affiliate Stores or Offers and Clickbank links within our "Mall" or "Superstore". So this allows us to not jus be promoting an Amazon Store, we can find other Affiliate or Clickbank offers that are related to that niche and promote them altogether this way, by jus sending people to one place.

      We prefer HTML Websites but you can maybe also do this in Wordpress, we don't like or use it so I am not familiar with it. You can get a free version of the website building software that we use from an English company called Serif.com. Just go to Free Downloads and you will see WebPlus Starter Edition, which is fairly full featured, easy to learn an use.


      I'm assuming that you really don't concentrate on SEO or natural search engine traffic to get visitors to your sites? You use the power of Facebook to drive the traffic?

      ANSWER - Yes we don't bother trying to rank these websites at all or get Search Engine Traffic. (but you could also do this) We prefer building up our own targeted niche lists, that way we have our own pond to fish in rather than competing with other fishermen in the wide open seas of the internet.

      And I"m assuming that you have a "freebie" to give away to get your visitors to sign up for your list?

      ANSWER - Yes, in this case as examples I have given for Sherri's Music niche, the freebie is actually the free Newsletter that they are signing up to get.

      One last question and I promise I'll stop. When you do your newsletters do you do them almost like a traditional newsletter and then just publish them as a PDF?

      ANSWER - We do them bit like a mini magazine, attractive design, interesting content, photos, and our Ads. (I have given more information about them in other posts) Nothing worse I think than jus a text based Newsletter, it's so boring. So you think what people like if they buy a Magazine, a variety of interesting articles and photos as well as Ads for things they are interested in. Example a motor bike magazine has all those things, people actually like the Ads because they are targeted to their interest.

      Yes you make up your Newsletter in Word and save it as a PDF. Your links from Ads within it can be live and the PDF is easy to send to your mailing list.

      We are also experimenting with software that can deliver our Newsletters and any other content right to our Subscribers Computer DeskTops. they jus have to download a small program to do this, and this eliminates our Newsletters being lost in their mailbox's. When we send out any content it will flash a notification on their Desktop to alert them.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Midnight Oil
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Yes we are actually making a Front End Website and we put the links to our Amazon Store or Stores
        Lindy, just to clarify: are your store pages actually Amazon's aStores embedded on your site? Thanks.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by Midnight Oil View Post

          Lindy, just to clarify: are your store pages actually Amazon's aStores embedded on your site? Thanks.
          Hello Midnight Oil,

          Your name is actually the name of a famous Australian Band from the 70's an 80's.

          Yes our Stores are actually Amazon Stores for our Niche/s, jus with the link to each in our Website. So like links that when clicked will open each particular store. So we have a menue of links at the top of the Website like:

          Guitars Keyboards Recording Equipment etc.

          With our Music Niche Amazon actually has 6 different stores we could add, then we found another non Amazon Store as well that really suited the same market so added it too, plus a ClickBank product about ways for Singers an Bands to promote themselves, so all these 8 different lnks make up the main menue bar of our Website.

          We set them to open in a new window so that our Website (SuperStore) remains open too. That way if they finish shopping in say Guitar Store an close it, our Website is still open, they may say decide to have a look in Recording equipment Shop too.

          Some niche's may not have multiple Amazon stores available, but you can always find other Affiliate Programs or Clickbank offers to make up your SuperStore Website.

          Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    alexa, I know I know.....I would use squidoo and my own amazon affiliate links, only for a to start, short term business to make money from,later then I let squidoo go and invest this money to build my own sites/list building.

    It's only for to start with it not more, to begin to make money not more, so my theory.
    Build 1 big lense with great content, than make money within, then re invest this money in my own site.....when the money begins roll,I let fall squidoo,simple.

    And yes on the other site, there is a risk that squidoo will let me fall...burt with great content squidoo will not kick you out fast and with my own amazon affiliate links ,they can not catch my commissions.

    Be careful is better than night shift ( forbearance) like Al Bundy says.....hahaha (joke please)

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author Loree Evans
    Do you see anyone by name? Contact them by email and ask them to mentor you on making the amount you want. If they are making that amount or more they will be willing to show you how to do it too.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by Loree Evans View Post

      Do you see anyone by name? Contact them by email and ask them to mentor you on making the amount you want. If they are making that amount or more they will be willing to show you how to do it too.
      Hello Loree,

      Some IM's do Coaching/Mentoring as a Business, you pay them to Mentor you. I think a few have been mentioned in this Thread, jus read it through from the start. You could also look through other Threads about Affiliate Marketing and see if others are mentioned there.

      Your very unlikely to jus be able to contact someone and have them Mentor you, they are usually too busy with their own Business's.

      But a starting point to learning is jus to take time reading all posts in these Threads and saving the good information into your own Affiliate Marketing Database, jus by creating a Word Doc and copy/pasting the informative posts.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author ravenx
        LindyUK. It sounds like your are emailing the PDF to your list. How do you prevent the email from getting marked as spam? Would it not be easier to email them a link to the pdf? OR email them a link to a html page that contains what the pdf should have displayed?
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        • To prevent email from getting spammed, I would use another link. For instance, IBOtoolbox has a way where you can create your own link and use it to post anywhere. Hope this helps
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by thepassivelifestyle View Post

            To prevent email from getting spammed, I would use another link. For instance, IBOtoolbox has a way where you can create your own link and use it to post anywhere. Hope this helps
            We also us another service for getting our message through by email an not having it caught in spam box's. Not used for the Newsletters but for other promotions.

            It's called BYOAUDIO an they have a free 30 day trial if anyone interested in it.

            The product we use is called an AudioNote. You are able to record or upload a voice message as well as put anything else on the page that you could on a website page, like text, photos or graphics, banners, videos, etc. Then you jus send the link to your AudioNote in your email.

            They also have a number of other services that you can use like audio and video streaming for your websites, sizzle lines which are phone lines where you can have a recorded message etc.

            Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author RandyChen
          Hi, it's definitely possible to make $1000 with Amazon. It took me a while to get to this point but the 2 main things that helped achieved this was the niche with items priced between $200 and $300 and SEO. Don't think I would be able to get a lot of amazon sales without SEO because this traffic source seems to convert the best. I am on page 1 of google for some of my main keywords and I was able to rank so high was because of my unique content.
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          • Profile picture of the author cooler1
            Originally Posted by RandyChen View Post

            Hi, it's definitely possible to make $1000 with Amazon. It took me a while to get to this point but the 2 main things that helped achieved this was the niche with items priced between $200 and $300 and SEO. Don't think I would be able to get a lot of amazon sales without SEO because this traffic source seems to convert the best. I am on page 1 of google for some of my main keywords and I was able to rank so high was because of my unique content.
            What has been your most successful type of backlinking to rank your sites via SEO?
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            • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
              Originally Posted by cooler1 View Post

              What has been your most successful type of backlinking to rank your sites via SEO?
              It's the same as always. High PR relevant links and good on-page optimisation.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by ravenx View Post

          LindyUK. It sounds like your are emailing the PDF to your list. How do you prevent the email from getting marked as spam? Would it not be easier to email them a link to the pdf? OR email them a link to a html page that contains what the pdf should have displayed?
          Yes sorry I made that a bit confusing. We upload the PDF to our website an only have the download link to it in the email.

          You should also get Subscribers to whitelist your email address when they sign up to your list so your emails get through. Also need a consistent Subject Heading so your mailings easily stand out to your Subscribers, as some are getting hundreds of emails a week.

          Can use a little free tool to add Symbols to your Subject line to make them stand out more from other emails, for instance Sherri uses 3 music note symbols in front of and behind her Subject Heading.

          It's at Email Subject Line "MIME Art" Generator#

          Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    to build a list, how I find new ebooks to offer free giveaways so that people opt in to my list?

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author meafim
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      to build a list, how I find new ebooks to offer free giveaways so that people opt in to my list?

      best wishes
      marco005

      Just do a search for plr ebooks. Search "[niche] plr". Example.... Search "weight loss plr"

      Or you can write one, or have one written be an outsourcer such as freelancer.com or odesk.com
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  • Profile picture of the author historial0racle
    What I wonder with giving away free ebooks is, that even if it is of high quality, the reader might have gotten the same ebook from another affiliate who is promoting in the same niche as me.

    Say I am the reader and I am looking for diets comparison and then I browse through sites and then notice that 2 sites are giving away the same ebook on diets.

    What happens then? Is it plausible?
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by historial0racle View Post

      What I wonder with giving away free ebooks is, that even if it is of high quality, the reader might have gotten the same ebook from another affiliate who is promoting in the same niche as me.

      Say I am the reader and I am looking for diets comparison and then I browse through sites and then notice that 2 sites are giving away the same ebook on diets.

      What happens then? Is it plausible?
      Hello,

      In meafim's answer they suggested PLR ebooks. PLR stands for Private Label Rights which gives you the right to label as your own ebook, but you should always change them, not just use them as is.

      You receive content in Word Doc's so easily able to edit content, add other images etc. You also can change or edit Cover Designs. If you are not capable of doing this yourself you can find someone at fiverr.com or other freelance sites to do changes for you.

      This then gives you your own unique ebook or report so you don't have the problem of someone seeing the exact same ebook on another site.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author lestermoreno
    Build an attractive and branded niche review site built around the topic of those keywords, is the key
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  • Profile picture of the author beasty513
    I know AA program is tough.

    Specially to break the $1K point.

    Takes a lot of effort.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @beasty513; which method/ affiliate program is better than AA to get fast the $1000 goal?


    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author bostjan33
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    1. You can make far more than a couple of 1000's, it all depends on your item selection, niche and of course, traffic load. And a few other things.

    2. About those payment proofs - most of them are fake. Just take a look at what are they trying to sell you along with those "reports". Common sense.
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  • I've done over $500 per month. $1,000 per month is just a function of scale - You just have to scale it.

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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    oh man.....

    @PathofLeastResistance; found your website,this amount of money you make with three sites, but not only 3 product sites, each of these sites has more than 25 pages..........
    So I think you have 75-100 pages all in all.

    Outsource a good template, 75 good written content and litte bit seo, that cost more than $370 a huge investment ( articles for $5) for a starter who begins with low budget, but its more when you need better content than $5 articles.

    So on the other site; like youre example, to make $1000 every month as azon affiliate,this is not possible with mini niche product review sites who has only 5 pages (product reviews) on it to get this amount of traffic and conversion rate (248 sales) on amazon.

    You need huge traffic so that 24.800 people must going from your site to amazon to make 1% conversion rate to get these 248 sales.

    ??? Is that correct or I be too complicated today?



    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      oh man.....

      @PathofLeastResistance; found your website,this amount of money you make with three sites, but not only 3 product sites, each of these sites has more than 25 pages..........
      So I think you have 75-100 pages all in all.

      Outsource a good template, 75 good written content and litte bit seo, that cost more than $370 a huge investment ( articles for $5) for a starter who begins with low budget, but its more when you need better content than $5 articles.

      So on the other site; like youre example, to make $1000 every month as azon affiliate,this is not possible with mini niche product review sites who has only 5 pages (product reviews) on it to get this amount of traffic and conversion rate (248 sales) on amazon.

      You need huge traffic so that 24.800 people must going from your site to amazon to make 1% conversion rate to get these 248 sales.

      ??? Is that correct or I be too complicated today?



      best wishes
      marco005
      Hi Marco -

      There is more about this on the site in the comments section, but each of the three sites actually has 100 product reviews each. However, not all of the reviews were posted prior to the two month period. I approach SEO/internet marking by testing with a small amount money, determining if there is a profit to made (big or small), then automating via either outsourcing or a script and then scale. And when I scale I scale hard. I don't think Amazon review articles need to cost more than $5.

      My conversion rates are closer to 12% (aff click to purchase) because I target buyers late in the buying stage. My CTR rates (visitor to aff click) are close to 30% because I pre-sell. Plus when people buy on Amazon they buy more than one thing. I'd estimate 30% of my sales are unrelated to products I promote.

      I would never attempt this with 5 pages, that won't get you anywhere. Google hates thin sites. Start with 20 pages, confirm that you can generate a profit and then scale via outsourcing.

      Other than product selection / competition analysis I outsourced the whole project. But I've recouped my investment and now the sites are just generating free cash flow.

      In general I invest in projects where I can recoup the investment in about 5 months. In this case it was quicker, some sometimes it is longer. But things change so fast in IM that if I can't get money back in 5-7 months I don't start the project.

      I hope this helps. The best thing you can do is start, make a plan and execute.
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  • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
    PathofLeastResistance-I'm assuming you just do review type websites? That's pretty good. If you don't mind, how many websites do you have to make that much?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    question to the amazon experts, I hope I will be not to complicated today....

    I know build a list is essential, but at the start beginning with low budget with $50, I think I will not get 500 subscribers on facebook with fb ads every month I spend this money, this number will be lower, a list under 2000 will not make $1000 in month with amazon I think.



    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      question to the amazon experts, I hope I will be not to complicated today....

      I know build a list is essential, but at the start beginning with low budget with $50, I think I will not get 500 subscribers on facebook with fb ads every month I spend this money, this number will be lower, a list under 2000 will not make $1000 in month with amazon I think.



      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      It is very easy to make way over $1000 a month from Affiliate Marketing to a small targeted list of 1000 to 2000, but not if you jus keep thinking via Amazon, or if you jus keep thinking in same traditional ways that most Affiliates think.

      This also address's your reply to a post above where you said:

      "You need huge traffic so that 24.800 people must going from your site to amazon to make 1% conversion rate to get these 248 sales."

      In the Amazon sales example you were commenting on, he needed the 248 sales to make the $1000 commission, so yes if conversion was only 1% you would need to drive high traffic to the site, and getting 24,800 people per month to a website would be hard for many who are new to this.

      In that example too, he's only making about $4 commission per sale.

      I have already explained a model using Targeted Lists and using different Thinking to make very good income from Affiliate Marketing, but you use Amazon as only part of the mix with our model. There are tens of thousands of other higher paying Affiliate Programs that you also can take advantage of with our model, including Clickbank products that pay from 50 to 75%.

      But I'll give a specific example of one that Sherri has used with her Music List. I may have already mentioned this one but it's a good example of how she made over $1000 per 1000 on her list with one promotion.

      Her Music List of musicians/singers/bands would be 75% or more Guys, most in 20's to 30's. In our model we are promoting via our Newsletters, the Amazon Stores are part of the key to each model, having a niche related SuperStore, but we are not limited to jus promoting those products. Within the Newsletters she can also promote any other Affiliate products she thinks may be of interest to her Newsletter Subscribers.

      Now this gives a huge range of products outside of the actual Music niche. Like what else would those Guys, and Girls too, be interested in that she could offer them? Answer - Lots!

      One thing most Guys in that age range would like is expensive watch's, like Tag Heuer, but most couldn't afford the thousands of dollars that the originals cost. So she found an Affiliate program for high quality replica watch's, selling for US$625 and a 20% Affiliate Commission.

      Now 20% on a $625 sale is $125 Commission per sale. (a bit different to $4 commission per sale per the Amazon example) To make $1000 commission now she only had to make 8 sales. If you said a 1% conversion per each 1000 on her List, that's 10 sales or $1250 Commission. Jus 8 sales per 1000 on her list would produce that $1000 commission. (per each 1000 Subscribers)

      She actually made thousands of dollar commission that month jus from that one promotion (over1% conversion) BUT REMEMBER, that was only 1 of a number of Affiliate Promotions in her Newsletter for that month, she has 6 to 8 promotions per Newsletter including her Amazon Music Stores with over 100,000 products in them alone.

      Brand name sunglass's is another good Affiliate Product for her, prices range from $145 to over $200 with 8% to 10% commission. Their not actually Music Niche related either, but again, do you think her target list subscribers would also be interested in them?. Of course they are.

      Our Affiliate Model opens so many other possibilities that you jus don't have if you are thinking along traditional Affiliate lines with review sites for jus Amazon products etc.

      And Re your comment you would not get 500 Subscribers per Month via FaceBook. My first comment is So What If You Don't! You just start List Building and keep Building. All Lists start at zero, you jus keep building on them year after year. One of ours is now over 120,000 for one niche but it started at nothing and continues to grow each year.

      My second comment is that it is way easy to get 500 Subscribers per month with FB, in some cases depending on the niche you could get that per week or even per day if you use software like SocialLeadfreak to target existing Groups in that niche. Jus save up your money an buy it, it's only about $100 or so, and you are supposed to be building a Business. We have to make investments in our Business's, even people who jus have Hobbies have to spend money on their Hobby. If you can't jus afford to spend $100 right away, jus save it up. Don't give excuses why you can't, jus start saving some money that you might be wasting elsewhere, or sell something to fund your Business. Jus get serious about your Business.

      THINK - LEARN - PLAN - And like that Nike Slogan - Jus Do It.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author UncleDearest
        "So she found an Affiliate program for high quality replica watch's, selling for US$625 and a 20% Affiliate Commission."

        That really burns me. And you are not even shy about it.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by UncleDearest View Post

          "So she found an Affiliate program for high quality replica watch's, selling for US$625 and a 20% Affiliate Commission."

          That really burns me. And you are not even shy about it.
          Hello

          Not sure what you mean by really burns you?

          "not shy about it" Well I am trying to help people by showing something very different to anything they will ever read in an ebook or a course. If people read my posts from the start, about page 2 I think, I have laid out a very different Affiliate Model to the normal, one that generates us over two million dollars a year just from our Affiliate Marketing, an Affiliate Marketing is one of the smaller segments of out Business's.

          Super Affiliates are not jus doing things in a normal way like making Amazon Review Sites. Certainly you can market that way too, but you have to think, how many others are doing the same? How many others have their own review site for exactly the same product? How many others are trying to get traffic to their same review site too?

          I tell people to THINK not jus FOLLOW! All of you could start building lists an do Affiliate Marketing in the way I have outlined for you. You jus start by Thinking an Planning, doing research on your selected niche, etc.,

          Instead of thinking that Amazon is the only Affiliate opportunity out there, jus use Google to search for other available Affiliate Programs for your niche, or that could be marketed to that same niche.

          Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by UncleDearest View Post

          "So she found an Affiliate program for high quality replica watch's, selling for US$625 and a 20% Affiliate Commission."

          That really burns me. And you are not even shy about it.
          Hmmm, someone jus told me I may not have understood your comment, (which is right, I didn't) and that you may mean you don't like the fact that Sherri is promoting an Affiliate offer for replicate Tag Heuer watch's.

          If that's the meaning of your comment my answer would be that Tag Heuer and other high end Watch Companies are the ones responsible for upkeep of their Brand name if they so desire, not a 16 year old girl!

          They are companies turning over hundreds of millions of dollars in sales so have the capability of legal action against replica companies if they choose to do so. They would certainly know about these replica watch companies, these companies operate quite openly on the market, with their websites and affiliate programs, and even source their watch movements from Switzerland.

          Now companies like Nike for example do take action to protect their Brand, so why don't the watch companies? They are the only ones that can answer that.

          Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author UncleDearest
            Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

            Hmmm, someone jus told me I may not have understood your comment, (which is right, I didn't) and that you may mean you don't like the fact that Sherri is promoting an Affiliate offer for replicate Tag Heuer watch's.

            If that's the meaning of your comment my answer would be that Tag Heuer and other high end Watch Companies are the ones responsible for upkeep of their Brand name if they so desire, not a 16 year old girl!

            They are companies turning over hundreds of millions of dollars in sales so have the capability of legal action against replica companies if they choose to do so. They would certainly know about these replica watch companies, these companies operate quite openly on the market, with their websites and affiliate programs, and even source their watch movements from Switzerland.

            Now companies like Nike for example do take action to protect their Brand, so why don't the watch companies? They are the only ones that can answer that.

            Lindy
            It amazes me that you even had to think about what I wrote. It scares me that you justify your (daughters) actions by basically saying "stealing is OK as long as the victims aren't diligent enough to catch you." Selling replicas of anything is unethical and illegal. It would be impossible for me to debate this further with you. Step outside of yourself and look what you wrote!
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by UncleDearest View Post

              It amazes me that you even had to think about what I wrote. It scares me that you justify your (daughters) actions by basically saying "stealing is OK as long as the victims aren't diligent enough to catch you." Selling replicas of anything is unethical and illegal. It would be impossible for me to debate this further with you. Step outside of yourself and look what you wrote!
              Hello,

              Re I had to think about what you wrote. I didn't know at first what your comment, "That really burns me", meant. It doesn't really make any sense in English, it's obviously some sort of slang, so I was not aware of it's meaning until another reader pointed it out to me.

              I think your getting a little bit dramatic here, an not really considering the fact that if the high end watch companies wanted to close down these replica watch websites and affiliate programs, they could easily do so within a short space of time. Without their websites the companies couldn't trade and would cease to exist.

              We own two large Hosting Companies so we know the facts.

              Tag Heuer and all other high end watch companies have/own worldwide trademark protection for their Branding and Logo's, the same as any other large International Company.

              Most large companies like Nike choose to protect their Branding, using international conventions and laws to do so.

              Tag Heuer and other high end watch companies are companies with hundreds of millions of dollars in turnover, they have both the money an resources to easily find, identify and close the means of replica watch selling, ie their websites but they choose not to.

              It has nothing to do with their diligence to catch or that they don't know about these replica companies, they most certainly know about them, an can easily shut down their websites.

              If someone took our Branding or Logo's we would immediately take action to reclaim them, an we are a small company in relation to them.

              They choose not to. Why, I don't know, they are the only ones who could answer that. Perhaps they consider people might start with a high quality replica then want to graduate to the real thing. But for the present they are in effect allowing the sale of these replica's, so that's up to them.

              You don't have to debate with me, you have given your views, but at this point even Tag Heuer and the other Companies seem to take a different view of the situation.

              Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author PrimaDNA1989
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    What is the most latest course to learn Amazon affiliate marketing after all the updates? most latest?
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    • Profile picture of the author wayneh
      Originally Posted by PrimaDNA1989 View Post

      What is the most latest course to learn Amazon affiliate marketing after all the updates? most latest?
      For me the latest course I've bought is Azon Zoom by Erica Stone. It is a current WSO - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...g-bonus.html#1

      It's designed for beginners in mind and goes through the basics of affiliate marketing and being an Amazon affiliate, how to pick products, keywords, setting up a site, getting traffic etc. It seems good so far, as I'm going through it at the moment.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    WOW!

    LindyUK, I'm lost my words............unbelivable.. grandious.....

    I put your text in my little word doc too I have named it= List business model

    Lindy, sorry that I make an dumb question, how do you know that 20-30 years guys like Tag Heuer watches? ??

    Is there any free online statistic tool where I can get such informations?

    You are the azon guru woman.......great!
    It inspires me, it turnes me on!
    You show me what is possible more in detail as other gurus here,so I can make an good image in my head what is this about....to understand it and it is great that you earnings are higher when you have good multiple affiliate offers not only azon for your subscribers.

    Is it good to mix with multiple affiliate offers,high and low price ticket items?
    I know business in europe is different here you can not offer both; high and low price item, when you do this, most buy the low ticket item.

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      WOW!

      LindyUK, I'm lost my words............unbelivable.. grandious.....

      I put your text in my little word doc too I have named it= List business model

      Lindy, sorry that I make an dumb question, how do you know that 20-30 years guys like Tag Heuer watches? ??

      Is there any free online statistic tool where I can get such informations?

      You are the azon guru woman.......great!
      It inspires me, it turnes me on!
      You show me what is possible more in detail as other gurus here,so I can make an good image in my head what is this about....to understand it and it is great that you earnings are higher when you have good multiple affiliate offers not only azon for your subscribers.

      Is it good to mix with multiple affiliate offers,high and low price ticket items?
      I know business in europe is different here you can not offer both; high and low price item, when you do this, most buy the low ticket item.

      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      How do I know what Guys like?
      Answer: Because I'm a Girl an we know everything about you guys. lol.

      But really - not every Guy in that age range will want a Tag Heuer watch, but enough of them will. We research our target markets, one way is to buy the same magazines that are popular with Guys in that age range, and look at what is being offered to them in advertisements. Companies advertising in high quality magazines are spending a fortune on those ads, so they have already done the major research for us.

      "Is there any free online statistic tool where I can get such informations?"

      Answer: An offline one - your Brain & Thinking. An online one - Google.
      But it's not about statistics, it's more about jus thinking about your target market and what they already buy or would be interested in buying.

      "It inspires me, it turnes me on!"
      Sorry marco, going to throw a bucket of cold water over you now! Splash! lol

      "Is it good to mix with multiple affiliate offers,high and low price ticket items?
      I know business in europe is different here you can not offer both; high and low price item, when you do this, most buy the low ticket item."

      Answer: Your thinking is jus completely wrong an not logical at all.

      Examples: If say someone buys an expensive electric guitar from one of Sherri's Amazon Music Stores, they also buy anything from guitar picks to whatever. If she only offered the electric guitars she would lose out on all the associated accessory sales. They would have to go an buy them elsewhere an someone else now makes that profit, not her. Why would she do that?

      If you were selling power tools to Guys but also had hand tools in your shop, are they going to now jus mainly buy the hand saw because it's cheaper than the power saw?

      You have to use real world thinking. With any product, some can afford to pay for the most expensive and some cannot. It's no different at all with online selling.

      Lindy
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    Hi,

    Yeah, Lindy you gives me throw cold water splashes....lol haha that's great really.

    best wishes
    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author TheMarketingLord
    Oh it definitely is - however, the question is - is it worth it? In my opinion, Amazon is not even close to the easiest or best way to make money online - the commissions are a total JOKE and the competition is HUGE. I'd stay away from it.

    Jan
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    • Profile picture of the author TerryDay2010
      Originally Posted by TheMarketingLord View Post

      Oh it definitely is - however, the question is - is it worth it? In my opinion, Amazon is not even close to the easiest or best way to make money online - the commissions are a total JOKE and the competition is HUGE. I'd stay away from it.

      Jan
      I have tried many of the affiliates like, Amazon, Clickbank (no longer around) and a few others. What I have found is that higher paying commissions is a better way to go. It's so much easier in my own eyes to to make a thousand dollars selling one product at $1,000 rather than making a thousand sales at $1.

      There are great systems out there as online business models and opportunities that are really great.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by TerryDay2010 View Post

        I have tried many of the affiliates like, Amazon, Clickbank (no longer around) and a few others. What I have found is that higher paying commissions is a better way to go. It's so much easier in my own eyes to to make a thousand dollars selling one product at $1,000 rather than making a thousand sales at $1.

        There are great systems out there as online business models and opportunities that are really great.
        Hello TerryDay

        Clickbank is still around, you must mean some other program.

        Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author Freeyourtime
    Hi, i think there is People making those numbers but WHY are they showing them? Is it because they want you to join something?? If you learn how to work with Internet Marketing as a sidekick you will earn more, or just look at something else on the Net for a better income.. :-)
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by Freeyourtime View Post

      Hi, i think there is People making those numbers but WHY are they showing them? Is it because they want you to join something?? If you learn how to work with Internet Marketing as a sidekick you will earn more, or just look at something else on the Net for a better income.. :-)
      Hello

      Well I sometimes mention some of our numbers, but jus to show people what is possible. I don't have anything to sell, we are not in the Business of producing ebooks or courses. I think most others here are jus dong the same.

      Sure if the figures and income screenshots are on a sales page or website trying to sell you an ebook or course then you have to be a bit suspicious, some are genuine but it is easy to fake them, and no one would let you into their accounts to verify them. Some do use live video, showing them logging into an account and showing sales and commissions, to prove they are genuine, they would be extremely hard to fake so you could fairly well take as being genuine.

      Lindy
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      • Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello

        Well I sometimes mention some of our numbers, but jus to show people what is possible. I don't have anything to sell, we are not in the Business of producing ebooks or courses. I think most others here are jus dong the same.

        Sure if the figures and income screenshots are on a sales page or website trying to sell you an ebook or course then you have to be a bit suspicious, some are genuine but it is easy to fake them, and no one would let you into their accounts to verify them. Some do use live video, showing them logging into an account and showing sales and commissions, to prove they are genuine, they would be extremely hard to fake so you could fairly well take as being genuine.

        Lindy
        Agree with this. The big problem is most people fail at making money online, so they think the next opp is to scam people into thinking they have made good money. Then there are those few who actually have made it, but its hard to separate yourself from the scammers.

        I do think that the mentality of not sharing your money making success plans is the wrong way to go and think. You can share them, most people won't take action and others will give up before it materializes. Others who do see a profit won't scale it.

        The most successful people on the internet are teachers or service providers who have really connected with their customers/students.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    does some email companies like mailchimp,forbidden that I put affiliate links in my email?

    or does they forbidden that I will promote products in my email but I link always first to my own site and then from there to the affiliate product.


    best wishes
    marco005

    PS: which is best placement in facebook to put eye catchy email opt in?
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    • You've got to be careful with your email lists. If you have a good, targeted list, you need to treat your subscribers as friends. Only promote products you believe in or have used. Don't sell to them on every email and add value to their lives.

      A good email list is one of the most sought after assets anywhere because it is yours, you are not at the mercy of Google, FB or affiliate company. It's yours.

      Targeted email list = converting customer list = recurring revenue forever

      If you just spam out emails - 1)your account will get closed because of spam complaints 2) your conversion rate will be a fraction of 1%.

      Email lists are really the only thing in IM that I believe you should always follow the "rules"
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @Lindy; when you promote affiliate product through your emails adn send them first to your site,, does you write product reviews? Or like the guitar page as example,your write it more as an overall view of the products you recommend?

    Or you write for every affiliate income stream every week long product reviews?
    You can not send users to a blank page, where you have textlinks to astores,clickbank and so on.....you must have text on such a website.

    What do you write on this website? Example; an information text about guitars?


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      @Lindy; when you promote affiliate product through your emails adn send them first to your site,, does you write product reviews? Or like the guitar page as example,your write it more as an overall view of the products you recommend?

      Or you write for every affiliate income stream every week long product reviews?
      You can not send users to a blank page, where you have textlinks to astores,clickbank and so on.....you must have text on such a website.

      What do you write on this website? Example; an information text about guitars?


      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      You need to save all my posts and read back through them to get a full understanding of our model. I'll answer your questions but I'v given more detailed information in other posts.

      Taking Sherri's Music site as the example. The email she sends out isn't like a one page sales email, it's a 4 page Newsletter that she jus sends out once a month to her list. (She finish's school this year so will then have time to make up and send her Newsletter more often, she's planning on mailing them every 2 weeks)

      We don't write reviews for the products either in the Newsletter or on our websites.

      The Newsletter is mainly filled with a number of short articles that would be interesting to her readers, so in this case that can be anything to do with music. She mainly jus finds interesting stories on the internet, from say US MSN, or from going to Music related websites or from Music Magazines. So she just rewrites these articles so they are slightly different.

      Between articles she will have one of her Ads, so she usually has from 6 to 8 Ads in each Newsletter. She will try to match some of her Ads to an article in some way, so it is associated. For example she found this story on the Web - "Eric Clapton raised $2.2 million at a Bonhams auction in New York yesterday, as buyers competed for his guitars, amplifiers and other memorabilia" He auctioned some of his guitars to raise money for a charity, and one guitar sold for over $82,000, etc. So under that article she had an Ad for her Amazon Guitar Shop. And she just had a headline something like, "If You Can't Afford To Buy A Classic Guitar - We have thousands of Acoustic & Electric Guitars at very affordable prices" Then she jus wrote something about being one of the largest Online Guitar Stores in the World, some of the Guitar Brands, over 20,000 Guitars, then something about all the other guitar accessories, etc. Then she jus had - Come And See and her Website address.

      We are not writing any reviews, we don't have to, jus whatever niche you are promoting you are jus looking for interesting stories to put in your Newsletter, and you are mixing your Ads between articles.

      We are not sending them to a blank page with jus the text links to the Stores, but we don't really have to write much on the website, jus make it attractive. I won't say what she has there but for instance you could just have your Header Graphic and some photos of Guitars, Drums, Keyboards etc and the links to the different stores, or you could have some text bout the range of products in your stores.

      In our model the website is like the Building that the stores are in. We are not trying to get any traffic at all from the search engines, so we don't have to try to rank the website by having loads of content on them. Our traffic is coming from the Newsletter Subscriber's. They are already interested in the things she is selling in the stores.

      Think about if you walk into an electronics store or any store really, you don't see text signs all over the place with reviews or big write-ups on them. If you walk over to say a camera or TV you might see a small card with the details of that product, or you might read more on the box. In our case, someone going to our Amazon Store can read about the particular product from the information that Amazon lists on that product page.

      Our way is very different to Review Sites for Amazon Products, with Review Sites you are writing Reviews one product at a time. Our way, we are offering an promoting maybe 100,000 products at a time, more like if you actually walked into a Superstore.

      Hope that explains more for you, but start from my first post and work through them, because most have little bits of information that you need to put together.

      Lindy
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    I agree with the people who said to promote higher cost products to get bigger commissions.

    The commission on a crystal chandelier is a lot bigger than the commission from a textbook.

    I also do well with promoting Amazon products related to better health, such as weight loss products, beauty products, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author ravenx
      LindyUK. In reference to your post. You link back to your website? Why not link to an amazon store? Or even promote an amazon product directly from within the newsleter?

      By sending newsletter subscribers from your newsletter to your website...and have to navigate to specific pages...and then click on your amazon widgets or what have you...it seems like you lose a lot of conversions through the process had you just linked to them directly to amazon in the newsletter
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by ravenx View Post

        LindyUK. In reference to your post. You link back to your website? Why not link to an amazon store? Or even promote an amazon product directly from within the newsleter?

        By sending newsletter subscribers from your newsletter to your website...and have to navigate to specific pages...and then click on your amazon widgets or what have you...it seems like you lose a lot of conversions through the process had you just linked to them directly to amazon in the newsletter
        Hello ravenx,

        Re: You link back to your website? Why not link to an amazon store?

        ANSWER - I'll frame my answer to your first question in the form of a question of my own. Do you know of any large Offline Store or Superstore who sends their customers to their Wholesaler's to make their purchases?

        If they did their customers would soon jus get into the habit of visiting the Wholesaler and not gong to their Store at all. We want to build our own Store Branding and have people going into our Store first to do their shopping,

        Re: Or even promote an amazon product directly from within the newsletter?

        ANSWER - So we have an Amazon SuperStore but we only want to promote ONE Product? That doesn't make sense at all to us that we would promote one product at a time. I'v mentioned before that we think of that like taking retailing back a few hundred years, where someone may have made jus one product and sold it, or even a small range of products like cooking pots, but you had to find someone else who made the stirring spoons. We want to offer the cooking pots and the stirring spoons, and anything else they might need for their "cooking"!

        I really don't think some traditional ways of Internet Affiliate Marketing are very logical at all, like offering jus one product. Say your a fisherman, would you prefer to go into say a shop where they sell jus one fishing rod, or would you prefer to go to a Fishing SuperStore where you know they sell everything you could possibly think of for your fishing hobby?

        Or think about it another way. What is popular with shoppers now days? Do they prefer to visit small stand alone stores or do they prefer to visit a large Department Store or a Mall or SuperStore? Where do you find more shoppers?

        The answer is fairly obvious really, even in a small town with say grocery shopping, most people will go to the largest Supermarkets than shop at the small corner or convenience store. So why do Internet marketers jus totally ignore modern retail trends, an not that modern either, large Department Stores and even large Mail Order Catalogue Stores have been around for at least a century.

        We DO promote some single products in the Newsletters that are not related to Amazon, and may send those directly to an Affiliate link, an example would be to a Clickbank Product.

        RE: By sending newsletter subscribers from your newsletter to your website...and have to navigate to specific pages...and then click on your amazon widgets or what have you...it seems like you lose a lot of conversions through the process had you just linked to them directly to amazon in the newsletter

        ANSWER - We think of our Website as being like a Mall or a SuperStore. So say they went into a real life main street Music SuperStore, an first floor is Guitars an Accessories. Second floor is Keyboards. Third Floor is Drums etc.

        So our Amazon Store links within our Website are like those different Floors. Click on the Guitars link and it takes you to the Guitar Floor. Click on the Keyboards link and you go to the Keyboards floor etc.

        We are not sending them to a single product that we have chosen, if they go to the Guitar Shop (or floor) they are then presented in this case with a choice of around 20,000 Guitars plus all the accessories as well. Like even the humble Guitar Pick they have about 14,000 choices available to them.

        And while their in our Website (SuperStore) say to look at Guitars, and they see we have another Store (or floor) there that sells Recording Equipment (about 34,000 items in that Store) they might decide they need to buy something in there too. The same way as if you went into a large Department Store or Mall to buy a certain product, your very likely to see something else you might like too and buy it as well, or at least put it on your wish list and come back at another time to purchase it.

        RE: "it seems like you lose a lot of conversions through the process had you just linked to them directly to amazon in the newsletter"

        ANSWER - Lose conversions? Noooo - this is how we make conversions and sell so much extra to each customer. We are offering them the same shopping experience as if they walked into say a Music SuperStore and walked through the Store, visiting different Departments or Floors. But they can do this from comfort of their home and via their computers, any time of the day or night and with lower prices, which is the convenience of Internet Shopping.

        So this is the model that Sherri is using for her Music list and Stores, and that we are using for our overall Affiliate Marketing Division. Sherri doesn't want me to give her figures but for a 16 year old girl she's making well over a normal adults weekly wage, so multiply the topic of this thread by a few and you will get an idea.

        For our own Affiliate Marketing Division we currently make over two million dollars per year in Affiliate commissions from about 8 Niche Lists. I don't think any Affiliate Marketers using single product promotions or Review Sites could make a fraction of that, unless they were selling very high priced items.

        I just give our figures to show what are model can produce, because we think most Affiliate Marketers do it completely wrong by playing Follow The Leader from ebooks an courses on Affiliate Marketing. We are covering only 9 Niches, including Sherri's, but this model could really be used with hundreds of different niche markets.

        Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    I need little bit of cold water splah please.......

    Lindy, it is not looking spammy to your subscribers,when you put in an 4 page newlsletter a few affiliate links in each of a newsletter page?

    When you link from newsletter to your own website,does you must cloak the links?
    What an amazing business model you have Lindy, I will start next week monday to hope get good fast traffic from pinterest to build a list (I start first with pinter traffic), perhaps I put in my website a big opt in sign and little bit adsense too,hope adsense make fast little money every month to can do more reinvest to grow up my business......

    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      I need little bit of cold water splah please.......

      Lindy, it is not looking spammy to your subscribers,when you put in an 4 page newlsletter a few affiliate links in each of a newsletter page?

      When you link from newsletter to your own website,does you must cloak the links?
      What an amazing business model you have Lindy, I will start next week monday to hope get good fast traffic from pinterest to build a list (I start first with pinter traffic), perhaps I put in my website a big opt in sign and little bit adsense too,hope adsense make fast little money every month to can do more reinvest to grow up my business......

      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      K, SPLASH! lol.

      Re: "Lindy, it is not looking spammy to your subscribers,when you put in an 4 page newlsletter a few affiliate links in each of a newsletter page?"

      ANSWER: No, it's in the form of a small Ad with the link. If you read a Magazine you are also expecting to see Advertisements for products related to that Magazines niche, and often those Advertisements are targeted to the articles on that page, so think of our Advertisements an links in our Newsletter in the same way.

      RE: "When you link from newsletter to your own website, does you must cloak the links?"

      ANSWER: Sometimes. For example if Sherri has put an Ad relating to one of the Amazon Music stores or other Affiliate Stores or Offers that are within her Website (the SuperStore) she just adds the URL of her Website.

      If the Ad in the Newsletter relates to an Affiliate Offer that is NOT in the Website (say a ClickBank offer or other) then she will cloak the link by making it into a custom link, so it relates, not jus a normal cloaked link like a series of letters and numbers, jus looks better that way.

      Because the Newsletters are delivered in PDF Format the links are all clickable, and your also not being caught by email spam filters for having too many links in an email.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Jus a note on what I'm saying in my posts.

        I'm not saying Review Site's don't work or that our way is the only way you should work, I'm more saying you need to be thinking how you can get some competitive advantage for yourself.

        With Review Sites, traditionally you are relying on search engine traffic, so if you an a thousand others have a review site on the same product, who will get the most traffic to their site? The Answer is usually the biggest Marketer who can spend the most money driving traffic to his/her site, or the Marketer with the most SEO experience etc.

        So for an inexperienced Marketer it's way hard to take much of that traffic away from the Professional Marketer, an then you still have to compete with the other 1000 people who have similar review sites for the same product.

        So you have to THINK of different ways to do it, how to stand out from the others so people come to you.

        Say we think of selling balloons at a fair, an there are 10 people all selling balloons. But one person is dressed as a Clown, he stands out from the rest, he has created a competitive advantage for himself, children an their parents will be attracted to him to buy their balloons before buying them from anyone jus dressed in normal clothing.

        So you have to think how to create that competitive advantage for yourself, no matter which marketing model you choose to do.

        Our model is based on building Niche Mailing Lists and the main reason for that is that then we don't have to compete with ANY OTHER Marketer, we have our OWN customer base to market too, ones who WANT to read our Newsletters and have no hesitation in buying from us because they have an ongoing relationship with us, in the same way as say loyal customers of a Department Store. We are also not having to be continually looking for new customers to buy a single (or a few) products we are selling, we are trying to be the One Stop SuperStore for everything that our customer would need for his/her particular interest, they don't have to go looking elsewhere when we are offering everything they could need.

        That's our way of thinking.

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
          My question for you folks is how do you stand out amongst everyone else when you do make a review?

          Better yet, how do you make a review without having the product? Wouldn't the bets review be from your own experience? Do you buy the product try it out and then return it?

          I'm trying to figure how we can stand out amongst the 9283982359283 other reviews online.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            As a personal preference, I never do "product reviews". By using the direct marketing models discussed in this thread, the level of competition within any given niche becomes insignificant. What we are showing here is to stand out from the crowd through branding. There is no way of competing effectively (particularly within niches dominated by deep-pocketed marketing professionals) without branding yourself first. For example, think of article syndication, building niche lists, newsletters, networking, etc as parts of a totally integrated marketing system. By being known and knowing your customers, products, and niche, you can consistently beat the competition all-to-hell. In my experience, the highest conversions are achieved through trusted product recommendations, not "reviews".

            In order to maximize customer value, you need a way to establish and continually build relationships with your buyers. I know of no better way than to build a list of those who make purchases. In addition to regularly scheduled email promotions (such as newsletters), consider offering your best customers other contact options such as a toll-free telephone number, social media, product webinars, local niche seminars, etc. As part of my sales funnel, I also do telemarketing, direct mail and even have sales reps familiar with the product(s) visit customers personally to help close high-end deals. We call these incrementally personal methods "loyalty-based actionable communication channels".
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Geez Myob, you an PathofLeastResistance should get together.

              Him with his "the efficient market hypothesis" and "opportunity cost" and you with your "incrementally personal methods "loyalty-based actionable communication channels".

              I could use big words like that too, but then even I wouldn't know what I mean! lol.

              I never went to college, actually didn't even graduate high school, so make it so that even Lindy understands what you mean. lol

              Lindy
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              • Profile picture of the author jan roos
                Lindy, thanks for taking the time to share your business model with us. That is much appreciated.

                I have one question if you don't mind. When you promote your newsletter via banners, facebook, offline etc.

                Do you give something away like a free report or do u just say "Come join the web's best damn music newsletter" with an optin form?

                Thanks

                Jan
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                • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                  Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

                  Lindy, thanks for taking the time to share your business model with us. That is much appreciated.

                  I have one question if you don't mind. When you promote your newsletter via banners, facebook, offline etc.

                  Do you give something away like a free report or do u just say "Come join the web's best damn music newsletter" with an optin form?

                  Thanks

                  Jan
                  Hello jan roos,

                  We don't give anything else away like reports. Our Newsletter idea is modelled on Magazines (Print Magazines) so we are promoting them in similar ways to how Magazines promote themselves.

                  So we don't call them Newsletters, we call them by their Publication name, like - All the Muze.

                  We promote the benefits - mainly the content. Like we try to have some running content that is not so readily available in mainstream Music Magazines. Examples here for musicians/singers/bands niche is we have ongoing monthly content re how they can promote themselves, and another ongoing about home recording studios.

                  We will also use the bigger giveaways like festival or concert tickets in the promotion Ads.

                  My examples are mainly using Sherri's music niche but we do similar with our other niche markets.

                  Lindy
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                  • Profile picture of the author jan roos
                    Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                    Hello jan roos,

                    We don't give anything else away like reports. Our Newsletter idea is modelled on Magazines (Print Magazines) so we are promoting them in similar ways to how Magazines promote themselves.

                    So we don't call them Newsletters, we call them by their Publication name, like - All the Muze.

                    We promote the benefits - mainly the content. Like we try to have some running content that is not so readily available in mainstream Music Magazines. Examples here for musicians/singers/bands niche is we have ongoing monthly content re how they can promote themselves, and another ongoing about home recording studios.

                    We will also use the bigger giveaways like festival or concert tickets in the promotion Ads.

                    My examples are mainly using Sherri's music niche but we do similar with our other niche markets.

                    Lindy
                    Thanks for clearing that up Lindy. Do you use a standard squeeze page as your landing page or do you have landing pages with more content on them?

                    Thanks again for your input.
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                    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                      Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

                      Thanks for clearing that up Lindy. Do you use a standard squeeze page as your landing page or do you have landing pages with more content on them?

                      Thanks again for your input.
                      Hello jan roos

                      Not sure of what your reference is, because some squeeze pages now days are very plain, I'v seen people promoting the "New" style of squeeze page that looks like its related to a plain WP blog. No photo's or graphics at all which to us is very silly. They forget the old saying "a picture paints a thousand words".

                      I'd say our squeeze pages are more old style, very graphical, not a lot of content on them, but with creative make overs.

                      Again we use different ideas an thinking with most anything we do, we want to stand out, be noticed and remembered.

                      Sherri's for example is based on the design of a Concert or Festival poster, so way different to what most people's idea of a squeeze page is.

                      Have you ever gone to squeeze pages that look so boring that you wonder if you should even sign up for their content or newsletter, thinking they might be the same?

                      Well our squeeze pages look way more exciting, made to wet their appetites to what they are going to be getting from signing up.

                      We don't jus follow normal Internet Marketing conventions, the way everyone else does it, we make up our own idea's, we might pinch idea's from other media and make them over for our own use.

                      Example that can relate to our idea of a squeeze page, say Circus Posters, especially old ones, they were very graphical, showed you the experience you were going to have before you even went to the Circus. They made you want to go to experience all that. In the music industry, some of the Concert an Music Festival posters do the same.

                      There is an advertising saying "sell the sizzle not the steak". A squeeze page is really the door that people are choosing to go through (or not) to get to your products, so we want to make our doorway very enticing.

                      We want to create excitement for what is on the other side of that door. Do you understand that?

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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            My question for you folks is how do you stand out amongst everyone else when you do make a review?

            Better yet, how do you make a review without having the product? Wouldn't the bets review be from your own experience? Do you buy the product try it out and then return it?

            I'm trying to figure how we can stand out amongst the 9283982359283 other reviews online.
            Hello GGpaul,

            I agree with Myob's reply, an we would never do Product Review sites either.

            There is really no good way of standing out from the crowd, you need to drive traffic by paid PPC or you need to be outstanding with your SEO, otherwise your going to be lucky to be on page 101 an more likely page 1001. lol

            Sure you could get some results, but I doubt many could make the $1000 a month per topic of this Thread. Longtail keywords might help, but then you only get a trickle of traffic. Silo Sites might help, but if you don't know what they are, then don't bother, their not that easy. Video reviews on YouTube? Maybe, I don't know what the competition is there.

            Years ago when someone first thought of Review Sites everyone made a killing with them, but now you would be lucky to find a product that hasn't got too much competition with review sites.

            Your second question is also part of the problem. It's not practical to buy each product to review, so everyone copies another review or makes up one from the available product information, so every review is nearly the same.

            If someone thinks our advice is wrong, feel free to come an tell us, but your going to have to be very convincing, I think Myob an ourselves have a lot of experience in the Affiliate field.

            Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author wayneh
            Originally Posted by GGpaul View Post

            My question for you folks is how do you stand out amongst everyone else when you do make a review?

            Better yet, how do you make a review without having the product? Wouldn't the bets review be from your own experience? Do you buy the product try it out and then return it?

            I'm trying to figure how we can stand out amongst the 9283982359283 other reviews online.
            Hi GGPaul,

            The best resource I've found in standing out when making a review is Erica Stone's Extreme Review - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...blueprint.html

            It shows how she does in depth reviews to provide something more than you usually get on Amazon review sites, so they stand out. Good luck with your new site.
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            • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
              Originally Posted by wayneh View Post

              Hi GGPaul,

              The best resource I've found in standing out when making a review is Erica Stone's Extreme Review - http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...blueprint.html

              It shows how she does in depth reviews to provide something more than you usually get on Amazon review sites, so they stand out. Good luck with your new site.
              I have her blueprint. I haven't really gone through it yet. Have you gotten success over it?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    AHA, cold water splash from the Themse get the lights on in my head........

    a very amazing business model!

    But please,what is a "custom link"?


    best wishes and happy weekend
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      AHA, cold water splash from the Themse get the lights on in my head........

      a very amazing business model!

      But please,what is a "custom link"?


      best wishes and happy weekend
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      A custom cloaked link is like following examples.

      Say you are using bit.ly to cloak an shorten your link, you will get something like this: bit.ly/guAtbc3 But that looks really awefull, so you then use bit.ly's free custom feature to change it to something like bit.ly/guitars So that's really useful to make nicer looking links in emails.

      If you were publishing a Newsletter as a PDF you might also want to cloak some links an make them look more attractive, and it's even easier to do.

      You are setting up your Newsletter in Word, so say we jus want to use the word: Guitars as our clickable link. We type Guitars under our Ad copy, right click on Guitars, select hyperlink, and then type in the destination URL.

      So now when we finish setting up our Newsletter we save it as a PDF. Now when we open the PDF the Guitars is a clickable link highlighted in blue as a link, clicking on it takes us to our Affiliate link (webpage URL)

      Try it for yourself to see how it works.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author SoEasyMoney
    This thread really is golden. Such great information has been shared. My only hurdle with this model is I, myself, personally, am not a person who will just sign up for a newsletter. I have to have something else to get me to give up my email address. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, I'm just trying to figure out a different name, maybe, than a newsletter. Just thinking out loud here!
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    • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
      Building a list is certainly the hardest part. I've been working on ways to build up my list. I'm going to be offering a prize opportunity to anyone who signs up for the newsletter. The prize is based on my niche. Building a list doesn't make sense with every niche either. My niche is something people will be interested in and want for years. New items are popping up daily and I can inform my list of their existence. Builing a list for something like TVs doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Once someone buys a TV they are done for years (usually). That is where review sites work best.

      Building a list is going to cost money. I definitely can see that. I'm going to be running ads for contest, products, and to get facebook likes. Also the giveaways will cost a big chunk of money.

      A couple of questions for you LindaUK.

      How long does it take to build a profitable list? Also if you're willing to tell, how much did it cost to get those list? I'd like to spend no more than $1 per person on my list. No idea if that is reasonable or not.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

        Building a list is certainly the hardest part. I've been working on ways to build up my list. I'm going to be offering a prize opportunity to anyone who signs up for the newsletter. The prize is based on my niche. Building a list doesn't make sense with every niche either. My niche is something people will be interested in and want for years. New items are popping up daily and I can inform my list of their existence. Builing a list for something like TVs doesn't make a whole lot of sense. Once someone buys a TV they are done for years (usually). That is where review sites work best.

        Building a list is going to cost money. I definitely can see that. I'm going to be running ads for contest, products, and to get facebook likes. Also the giveaways will cost a big chunk of money.

        A couple of questions for you LindaUK.

        How long does it take to build a profitable list? Also if you're willing to tell, how much did it cost to get those list? I'd like to spend no more than $1 per person on my list. No idea if that is reasonable or not.
        Hello Wickaman,

        Those two questions nearly impossible to answer as it depends on how you are building your lists.

        I first started building the Music list before giving that Business to Sherri. I actually started by taking small classified Ads in Music Magazines so had to pay for that advertising but wasn't that much. I also put my Ads on free sites like Gumtree an Craigslist, Musicians or anyone else with any type of interest can be found anywhere. I also used social media sites like MySpace an others. Now there are absolute heaps of available sites, for example look at: List of social networking websites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

        Sherri will still use those sort of sources but she mainly uses FaceBook now as so much easier an faster. She uses SocialLeadFreak software and both free an paid methods. With SLF an paid impressions, since you are serving the ads to ONLY those with that particular interest it reduces the cost per click as you should be getting a higher click through rate.

        Another idea we have used is approaching owners of YouTube Channels an buying Ad space. Most are not running their channels as a Business, jus doing it for fun and their interest, so very willing to make a little bit of income from it. The same with some Websites an Blogs, many people set them up jus as an interest an never think of making money from them. Well guess what? We think of making money from them so we will offer them a small monthly amount to put one of our Banners up an give us some promo's. If they had not thought about making any money from their website or blog, most jus love that idea. lol Could most likely do that in FaceBook too, with other peoples FB pages but we havn't tried it.

        In my posts here I have often said to THINK. Be creative, come up with different "out of the box" ways to how others do things.

        $1 would be a high amount to pay per subscriber, I don't know our costs because from too many sources, many free an many at very low cost.

        Time it takes? Well again depending on how you do it so I can't say. You jus start and keep building. We have build lists of hundreds and even thousands within a few weeks using FB an SLF, but depends on the niche an your offers, etc.

        Your idea of prize opportunities is good, we also do that, not jus with list building, we also run comps in our Newsletters and doesn't have to be high cost prizes. We have everything from Music Downloads which are fairly inexpensive to say Tickets to Concerts or Music Festivals which might cost us a hundred pounds or so. Running comps in our Newsletters is jus another way of maintaining close engagement with our Subscribers, most people love free competitions, especially if the prizes relate to their interest. You see comps in niche Magazines all the time.

        Yes items like TV's not so good for our model, but I'm sure I could come up with a way to incorporate them if I really tried. Maybe like a Wish List for Guys where I would be featuring all sorts of things they might like to have? Hmmm! lol

        An idea - if there are print Magazines associated with your Niche Idea, then buy some different Magazines to get ideas from. You can get ideas for anything from content for your Newsletter to wording for your Ads or Promotions by experienced an highly paid copywriters. Jus use them for idea's, change wording slightly etc.

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
          Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

          Hello Wickaman,

          Those two questions nearly impossible to answer as it depends on how you are building your lists.

          I first started building the Music list before giving that Business to Sherri. I actually started by taking small classified Ads in Music Magazines so had to pay for that advertising but wasn't that much. I also put my Ads on free sites like Gumtree an Craigslist, Musicians or anyone else with any type of interest can be found anywhere. I also used social media sites like MySpace an others. Now there are absolute heaps of available sites, for example look at: List of social networking websites - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

          Sherri will still use those sort of sources but she mainly uses FaceBook now as so much easier an faster. She uses SocialLeadFreak software and both free an paid methods. With SLF an paid impressions, since you are serving the ads to ONLY those with that particular interest it reduces the cost per click as you should be getting a higher click through rate.

          Another idea we have used is approaching owners of YouTube Channels an buying Ad space. Most are not running their channels as a Business, jus doing it for fun and their interest, so very willing to make a little bit of income from it. The same with some Websites an Blogs, many people set them up jus as an interest an never think of making money from them. Well guess what? We think of making money from them so we will offer them a small monthly amount to put one of our Banners up an give us some promo's. If they had not thought about making any money from their website or blog, most jus love that idea. lol Could most likely do that in FaceBook too, with other peoples FB pages but we havn't tried it.

          In my posts here I have often said to THINK. Be creative, come up with different "out of the box" ways to how others do things.

          $1 would be a high amount to pay per subscriber, I don't know our costs because from too many sources, many free an many at very low cost.

          Time it takes? Well again depending on how you do it so I can't say. You jus start and keep building. We have build lists of hundreds and even thousands within a few weeks using FB an SLF, but depends on the niche an your offers, etc.

          Your idea of prize opportunities is good, we also do that, not jus with list building, we also run comps in our Newsletters and doesn't have to be high cost prizes. We have everything from Music Downloads which are fairly inexpensive to say Tickets to Concerts or Music Festivals which might cost us a hundred pounds or so. Running comps in our Newsletters is jus another way of maintaining close engagement with our Subscribers, most people love free competitions, especially if the prizes relate to their interest. You see comps in niche Magazines all the time.

          Yes items like TV's not so good for our model, but I'm sure I could come up with a way to incorporate them if I really tried. Maybe like a Wish List for Guys where I would be featuring all sorts of things they might like to have? Hmmm! lol

          An idea - if there are print Magazines associated with your Niche Idea, then buy some different Magazines to get ideas from. You can get ideas for anything from content for your Newsletter to wording for your Ads or Promotions by experienced an highly paid copywriters. Jus use them for idea's, change wording slightly etc.

          Lindy
          Thanks Lindy. It was a complicated question, but you answered them great! I've never thought about running an ad in a magazine to build a list for an affiliate site. I'll have to think about that and figure a way to go about it. I have SLF and I'm about ready to start my first batch of ads to test. I have a billion questions and could talk with you for an eternity I'm sure, but I'll try not to pester you too much Getting confirmations and advice from someone who is successful makes going forward much easier. Thanks!
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

            Thanks Lindy. It was a complicated question, but you answered them great! I've never thought about running an ad in a magazine to build a list for an affiliate site. I'll have to think about that and figure a way to go about it. I have SLF and I'm about ready to start my first batch of ads to test. I have a billion questions and could talk with you for an eternity I'm sure, but I'll try not to pester you too much Getting confirmations and advice from someone who is successful makes going forward much easier. Thanks!
            Hello Wickaman,

            This is the thing, most people are jus doing the same things the same way. We have used a lot of Offline advertising methods for our Online Business's. We have built our Business's, and they are very large Business's, by being different to most.

            Here is another resource we use in US, but we havn't actually used it for building Affiliate Marketing niche lists, but you can have a look, it's very interesting.

            Not sure bout posting link so jus do a Google search for NationwideNewspapers. It's a site that offers classified advertising in hundreds of US free and thrifty nickel Newspapers.

            You can advertise in jus 1 newspaper or they have combined deals like advertising in 20 Newspapers with a total circulation of 1 Million for $180.

            Maybe not as good as a niche Magazine for building a niche list, but still maybe very interesting. Things like this you test small first, ask for advice in writing your Ad, etc.

            We have big success with them but my Dad will kill me if I tell you what we use them for. So don't want to be killed! lol

            Feel free to ask questions, fine unless they throw me out of the thread for hogging it so much! lol

            Lindy
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            • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
              Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

              Hello Wickaman,

              This is the thing, most people are jus doing the same things the same way. We have used a lot of Offline advertising methods for our Online Business's. We have built our Business's, and they are very large Business's, by being different to most.

              Here is another resource we use in US, but we havn't actually used it for building Affiliate Marketing niche lists, but you can have a look, it's very interesting.

              Not sure bout posting link so jus do a Google search for NationwideNewspapers. It's a site that offers classified advertising in hundreds of US free and thrifty nickel Newspapers.

              You can advertise in jus 1 newspaper or they have combined deals like advertising in 20 Newspapers with a total circulation of 1 Million for $180.

              Maybe not as good as a niche Magazine for building a niche list, but still maybe very interesting. Things like this you test small first, ask for advice in writing your Ad, etc.

              We have big success with them but my Dad will kill me if I tell you what we use them for. So don't want to be killed! lol

              Feel free to ask questions, fine unless they throw me out of the thread for hogging it so much! lol

              Lindy
              I'll definitely look into that. I am an out-of-the-box thinker, but I'm new to internet marketing all together. I have noticed a lot of people seem to stay on the "traditional" side of ideas. Some things may have been proven to work for years, but things do change and I feel a lot of people don't adapt. I laugh at how cliché some people's landing pages are.

              I don't want you to be killed, but can you tell me what kind of ads you use in newspapers and magazines? Do you promote your website and hope to capture leads for your list? Promote a product? I'm thinking an ad for my giveaway could generate quite a bit of emails for my list.

              Thanks again. If I ever make it to the UK dinner is on me!
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              • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

                I'll definitely look into that. I am an out-of-the-box thinker, but I'm new to internet marketing all together. I have noticed a lot of people seem to stay on the "traditional" side of ideas. Some things may have been proven to work for years, but things do change and I feel a lot of people don't adapt. I laugh at how cliché some people's landing pages are.

                I don't want you to be killed, but can you tell me what kind of ads you use in newspapers and magazines? Do you promote your website and hope to capture leads for your list? Promote a product? I'm thinking an ad for my giveaway could generate quite a bit of emails for my list.

                Thanks again. If I ever make it to the UK dinner is on me!
                Hello Wickaman,

                No we don't promote the website or product in the Classified Ads, you more need to promote a Benefit for them.

                As an example, when the Music Festivals are coming up in England we promote the chance to win free tickets, do the same with concerts. So yes your Giveaway is good idea for the incentive to sign up.

                We also jus promote the Newsletter itself (All The Muze) with some catchy copy that would appeal to Musicians.

                Main thing is that your Ad stands out and attracts interest, so comps/giveaways are always good as long as it's something they might really want.

                Lindy
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by SoEasyMoney View Post

      This thread really is golden. Such great information has been shared. My only hurdle with this model is I, myself, personally, am not a person who will just sign up for a newsletter. I have to have something else to get me to give up my email address. I'm not saying that it doesn't work, I'm just trying to figure out a different name, maybe, than a newsletter. Just thinking out loud here!
      Hello SoEasyMoney

      We don't actually say they are signing up for a Newsletter, we name our Newsletter with an attractive sounding name like a publication.

      So for example one of our Music Newsletter's is called - All the Muze (We sort of combined Music an News to come up with the name, which we think is fairly catchy for our Music niche)

      So in our list building promotions, squeeze page etc, we refer to the publication name, what's in it, published monthly etc.

      Of course it's still a Newsletter, but it doesn't sound so much like a Newsletter now does it? It sounds like something they might be interested in reading since it's all about their interest.

      I'v already mentioned we make it a nice design with graphics an photo's etc, we want it to be like reading a mini magazine, not a boring 4 pages of text.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author alvinhy
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello SoEasyMoney

        We don't actually say they are signing up for a Newsletter, we name our Newsletter with an attractive sounding name like a publication.

        So for example one of our Music Newsletter's is called - All the Muze (We sort of combined Music an News to come up with the name, which we think is fairly catchy for our Music niche)

        So in our list building promotions, squeeze page etc, we refer to the publication name, what's in it, published monthly etc.

        Of course it's still a Newsletter, but it doesn't sound so much like a Newsletter now does it? It sounds like something they might be interested in reading since it's all about their interest.

        I'v already mentioned we make it a nice design with graphics an photo's etc, we want it to be like reading a mini magazine, not a boring 4 pages of text.

        Lindy
        Hello Lindy, I have been reading your informative posts and have inspired me a lot! Just a question, if you use PDF for your newsletter, do you send out a link for people to download the PDF or is it embedded into the email itself?
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by alvinhy View Post

          Hello Lindy, I have been reading your informative posts and have inspired me a lot! Just a question, if you use PDF for your newsletter, do you send out a link for people to download the PDF or is it embedded into the email itself?
          Hello alvinhy,

          Thank you, I am enjoying myself in here an that's what I like, if I can inspire people to think in different ways an to build successful Business's for themselves.

          A few years ago, only bout 10 actually, I was in same position as most, trying to start my own IM Business, an my first whole year I only made US$408 profit.

          Then I met John jus in a chatroom, he became my Mentor an finally my adopted Dad an Business Partner. He taught me what I know, he taught me how to Think. Now I like to help others like he helped me - Giving back.

          Answer to your question - yes we jus include the link to it in a small email, so they click on the link to download it from our website.

          Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author bonesaj
    When it comes to amazon, the way many of my clients make $1-5k a month is from being good at SEO, its really not that hard but where most people go wrong is in thinking that SEO is free and that it takes a long time.

    100% not true, if you are going to do "free" seo then you probably will never rank unless you are amazing at networking and getting links from other websites.

    I am currently creating an authority amazon site and should have 5-10 pages ranking in the top 5 by next month.
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    • Originally Posted by bonesaj View Post

      but where most people go wrong is in thinking that SEO is free
      Agreed. I bet if we actually did an analysis of the effort + time + money spent on SEO it would equal the same cost as paid traffic. You'd have to put a value on your time, which is a big variable for most, but if you believe in the efficient market hypothesis, then the cost (including opportunity cost) of SEO and paid traffic has to be the same.

      Sorry for dropping "the efficient market hypothesis" and "opportunity cost" in the same post on a Saturday morning. I promise not to do that again.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by PathofLeastResistance View Post

        Agreed. I bet if we actually did an analysis of the effort + time + money spent on SEO it would equal the same cost as paid traffic. You'd have to put a value on your time, which is a big variable for most, but if you believe in the efficient market hypothesis, then the cost (including opportunity cost) of SEO and paid traffic has to be the same.

        Sorry for dropping "the efficient market hypothesis" and "opportunity cost" in the same post on a Saturday morning. I promise not to do that again.
        Hello PathofLeastResistance,

        Yes, geez, don't repeat it on Monday either! lol

        Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Two of the best ways to make money with amazon:

    1.) List building. Then market to the list. (this is something that everyone knows and few do or do properly).

    2.) Facebook pages to amazon products, *but not directly linking to them from the page.



    Amazon is fun because you can find weird quirky and cheap products. Promote those to your list and FB pages then get credit for 24 hours for anything they buy too. (About 50% of commissions or more come from stuff you never even sent them to amazon to buy!).

    Don't complicate it, keep it simple and you'll be fine.
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  • Profile picture of the author tyronne78
    I'm not saying it's impossible to make money with Amazon but it is difficult if you 're on a limited budget. Simply because the commission rate is so low for a lot of their products. There are so many different ways to market and sell amazon products. You could create Amazon Review Sites centered around one product and try to get your sites to rank. Or you could buy products from a supplier and get private label rights to the products and then sell them on the Amazon marketplace. At the end of the day one thing is certain, you're going to need a nice sized budget to make good money with Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author illinimatic
    They will ban you if your CTR is high. I mean it is worse than adsense. There is no warning when you get banned.
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    • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
      Originally Posted by illinimatic View Post

      They will ban you if your CTR is high. I mean it is worse than adsense. There is no warning when you get banned.
      What proof do you have? That's ridiculous.
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  • Profile picture of the author HybridMarketing
    1. Promote high ticket items.
    2. Start with small items to build up your commission rate.
    3. Traffic is key. Learn about traffic and the best way to get high quality leads.
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    • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
      I have a couple review sites and I make about $200 a month. They are in very competitive niches and I get like 1000 unique views a month. If I could get more traffic then I could easily make $1000 a month. This is also with about 150 products reviewed. Took a long time and a lot of work. That said it's possible, but there are other better ways to make money.

      I guess if you reviewed over 1000 products then just based on volume you would make $1000 a month... as long as they were high quality and the SEO was done right.
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      • Profile picture of the author myob
        Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

        I have a couple review sites and I make about $200 a month. They are in very competitive niches and I get like 1000 unique views a month. If I could get more traffic then I could easily make $1000 a month. This is also with about 150 products reviewed. Took a long time and a lot of work. That said it's possible, but there are other better ways to make money.

        I guess if you reviewed over 1000 products then just based on volume you would make $1000 a month... as long as they were high quality and the SEO was done right.
        That sisyphean level of thinking is holding you back. As mentioned earlier, you can make a very comfortable income with just one product by using the marketing methods outlined in this thread.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          That sisyphean level of thinking is holding you back. As mentioned earlier, you can make a very comfortable income with just one product by using the marketing methods outlined in this thread.
          Geez Myob!

          Now what does "Sisyphean" mean???

          Thank heavens for Google!



          Meaning:
          Of or relating to Sisyphus

          Sisyphus ((Greek legend) a king in ancient Greece who offended Zeus and whose punishment was to roll a huge boulder to the top of a steep hill; each time the boulder neared the top it rolled back down and Sisyphus was forced to start again)

          Meaning:
          Both extremely effortful and futile
          Similar:
          effortful (requiring great physical effort)

          Geez, I would have jus said it's really hard! lol

          Lindy

          PS. jus razzing you.
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

            Geez, I would have jus said it's really hard! lol

            Lindy

            PS. jus razzing you.
            LOL! Actually my point is that Sisyphus had the same traits as Wickaman and many other SEO folks nowadays. That's what gets them into trouble. When you try playing with the gods at Google they can get pissy and roll your website down in the SERPs. It's often an endless scramble just to get ranked anywhere near the top of the hill, only to get rolled back down again. And I think you agree that our marketing methods completely bypass the Google gods.
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              LOL! Actually my point is that Sisyphus had the same traits as Wickaman and many other SEO folks nowadays. That's what gets them into trouble. When you try playing with the gods at Google they can get pissy and roll your website down in the SERPs. It's often an endless scramble just to get ranked anywhere near the top of the hill, only to get rolled back down again. And I think you agree that our marketing methods completely bypass the Google gods.
              Hello myob,

              Yes, we would never leave our Business's to the mercy of Google.

              Every time they make a change you see so many people saying they have lost all their work and most of their income because of losing their rankings.

              It's a bit like that old saying "Don't Keep All Your Eggs In One Basket". People don't take notice, but if their Business's are all in Google's Basket, then Google can jus drop it without warning.

              I completely agree with you, though we use different Affiliate Marketing Models our end aim is the same, we control the direction of our Business's, NOT Google.

              Our main Business's now are more in the Offline niche, offering Services to small an medium size Offline Business's, an we work the same way. We show them how to get customers from a variety of ways, not to be jus relying on the traditional methods of generating Business. ie. lots still think that means sit in your shop or Business an wait for the customers to come in. lol.

              Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
          Originally Posted by myob View Post

          That sisyphean level of thinking is holding you back. As mentioned earlier, you can make a very comfortable income with just one product by using the marketing methods outlined in this thread.
          Not sure of your full meaning, but I have no doubts you could make a comfortable living selling rocks out of your backyard if you could market them well enough
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

            Not sure of your full meaning, but I have no doubts you could make a comfortable living selling rocks out of your backyard if you could market them well enough
            Hello Wickaman,

            Well actually someone did, there used to be "Pet Rocks" in the 70's, so someone most likely made a million or so from them.

            They would have been popular pets, wouldn't eat much an easy to brush. lol.

            Actually I jus Google'd them, this was part of article on Wikipedia:

            The first Pet Rocks were ordinary gray stones bought at a builder's supply store. They were marketed like live pets, in custom cardboard boxes, complete with straw and breathing holes for the "animal." Dahl sold 1.5 million Pet Rocks and became a millionaire

            So if you have a rocky backyard Wickaman, there's an idea for you! Don't say I'm not helpful. lol.

            Lindy
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            • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
              Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

              Hello Wickaman,

              Well actually someone did, there used to be "Pet Rocks" in the 70's, so someone most likely made a million or so from them.

              They would have been popular pets, wouldn't eat much an easy to brush. lol.

              Actually I jus Google'd them, this was part of article on Wikipedia:

              The first Pet Rocks were ordinary gray stones bought at a builder's supply store. They were marketed like live pets, in custom cardboard boxes, complete with straw and breathing holes for the "animal." Dahl sold 1.5 million Pet Rocks and became a millionaire

              So if you have a rocky backyard Wickaman, there's an idea for you! Don't say I'm not helpful. lol.

              Lindy
              Lol. That's true. My sister used to paint and glue them together. Sadly my yard is rockless. Maybe I'll hire a shaman to come and bless the weeds for luck and then sell them. I'm sure I could come up with a good headline for lucky shaman blessed weeds. I'd be more motivated to pull them if I were selling them anyway.
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              • Profile picture of the author myob
                Amazon has tons of rocks and stones that you can sell. They probably wouldn't do well at all on "review sites".
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                • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                  Originally Posted by myob View Post

                  Amazon has tons of rocks and stones that you can sell. They probably wouldn't do well at all on "review sites".
                  Geez, an I already started writing my review!

                  Lindy
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                  • Profile picture of the author jan roos
                    Lindy, this is my last question I promise.

                    When you promote your newsletter through Facebook ads. Do you send visitors to a fan page first and then to the landing page for the newsletter or directly to the newsletter landing page?

                    Cheers

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                    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                      Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

                      Lindy, this is my last question I promise.

                      When you promote your newsletter through Facebook ads. Do you send visitors to a fan page first and then to the landing page for the newsletter or directly to the newsletter landing page?

                      Cheers

                      Jan
                      Hello jan roos

                      FaceBook doesn't like you sending people out of their site, so better to play their game an send to your Fan Page first.

                      Anywhere else of course is straight to your squeeze page.

                      I'm happy to answer your questions other than real trade secrets. lol.

                      Lindy
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                      • Profile picture of the author jan roos
                        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                        Hello jan roos

                        FaceBook doesn't like you sending people out of their site, so better to play their game an send to your Fan Page first.

                        Anywhere else of course is straight to your squeeze page.

                        I'm happy to answer your questions other than real trade secrets. lol.

                        Lindy
                        Thanks for clarifying that Lindy. Do you have your lead page on your fan page via an Iframe or how do you get people to your lead page from your fan page?

                        Thanks
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                        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                          Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

                          Thanks for clarifying that Lindy. Do you have your lead page on your fan page via an Iframe or how do you get people to your lead page from your fan page?

                          Thanks
                          You can do it either way, on your FanPage or with a link to it an jus the information about publication (Newsletter) on the FP.

                          I think we use both ways but my Dad is the webmaster not me. I know in some cases he has more than one squeeze page for the same list, to appeal to maybe different aspects of an interest. Also because leads are not jus coming from FB, though that is our fav way of generating them now.

                          It is important though that if you use FB advertising, you first send those leads to your FanPage, before sending elsewhere from within your FanPage.

                          Lindy
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                  • Profile picture of the author myob
                    Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                    Geez, an I already started writing my review!

                    Lindy
                    "It's going to be a long hard push to get a review about rocks to the top of the SERPs."
                    - Sisyphus
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                    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                      Originally Posted by myob View Post

                      "It's going to be a long hard push to get a review about rocks to the top of the SERPs."
                      - Sisyphus
                      But I'll start with little rocks, easier to push to the top! I'm not a dumb Blonde! lol

                      Lindy
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                        • Profile picture of the author Mys Wida
                          I wish I have more time to read all the posts in this thread. I'm too busy working for others! Ouch!
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                          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                            Originally Posted by Mys Wida View Post

                            I wish I have more time to read all the posts in this thread. I'm too busy working for others! Ouch!
                            Hello Mys Wida

                            I don't know your circumstances, perhaps you are having to work two jobs an not really much free time. Perhaps you won't even read this, but we wrote it years ago as an entry in one of our membership sites.

                            Managing Your Time:

                            Well that sounds boring, but it's something you have to do, to make time each day to work on your Business. Now for most, you will be working full time in a Job, and running your own Internet Business part time, so you have to free up some spare time each day to work on your Business.

                            Now we all waste time, it's a matter of finding out where and gaining some of it back - turning it into productive working time for our own Business.

                            The first place to look is maybe how much time we spend watching TV. We used to waste our time too, watching hours of TV each night. We hardly watch any TV now, time enough for watching TV when we are Granny's in our rocking chairs is how we think. Our Business's are much more exciting than TV, and so are our plans and dreams.

                            So don't cheat yourself - don't be willing to go out and work for your Boss for 8 hours a day, and then come home and put hardly any time or effort in for yourself and your own Business.

                            You need to set a regular schedule for yourself. You have to abide by your job schedule, so why not set your own schedule for yourself and your Business, and there will come a time when you can forget that job schedule completely.

                            Lindy
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                            • Profile picture of the author AlexRich
                              Hi Lindy,

                              Big thank you for all the advice given here!

                              But I still have a question - if you send your customers/readers of the newsletter quite often to the same (amazon)stores, don't they go there directly after a while? I know you just need the cookie to get the (24h-)commission, so do you use a shopping cart or a simple link to Amazon? I just wonder how I would behave, if I read a nice and interesting story about some extra features of a guitar and click the link to see the details ...and following week I read a new text in your NL/edition about another guitar and click to the same astore. Even if it's full with guitars, I always end up at amazon?
                              You wrote, it is a simple store (no top google rankings), but do you have a "nicer" or unique design? I guess you use API to fill it with all the products, but still all links go to amazon? Because of the TOS, you must show it's an Amazon product, so doesn't the reader wonder, that it is an Amazon store?
                              I've just started with Amazon and learn and try a lot right now Maybe that has given me a different point of view, but I want to know the customers point of view and you have a lot of experiences! Thanks for sharing.

                              Another question about FB. Do you collect the subscribers details directly in FB or do you send them to your Landingpage?

                              And the last -(for now) What's the main point for sending a pdf as Newsletter or let them download a pdf? Have you tried html before? Does a pdf have more of a magazine style? Better CTR? Do you send the first Newsletter/magazine immediately after subscribing?

                              Thank you very much, Lindy!
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                              • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                                Originally Posted by AlexRich View Post

                                Hi Lindy,

                                Big thank you for all the advice given here!

                                But I still have a question - if you send your customers/readers of the newsletter quite often to the same (amazon)stores, don't they go there directly after a while? I know you just need the cookie to get the (24h-)commission, so do you use a shopping cart or a simple link to Amazon? I just wonder how I would behave, if I read a nice and interesting story about some extra features of a guitar and click the link to see the details ...and following week I read a new text in your NL/edition about another guitar and click to the same astore. Even if it's full with guitars, I always end up at amazon?
                                You wrote, it is a simple store (no top google rankings), but do you have a "nicer" or unique design? I guess you use API to fill it with all the products, but still all links go to amazon? Because of the TOS, you must show it's an Amazon product, so doesn't the reader wonder, that it is an Amazon store?
                                I've just started with Amazon and learn and try a lot right now Maybe that has given me a different point of view, but I want to know the customers point of view and you have a lot of experiences! Thanks for sharing.

                                Another question about FB. Do you collect the subscribers details directly in FB or do you send them to your Landingpage?

                                And the last -(for now) What's the main point for sending a pdf as Newsletter or let them download a pdf? Have you tried html before? Does a pdf have more of a magazine style? Better CTR? Do you send the first Newsletter/magazine immediately after subscribing?

                                Thank you very much, Lindy!
                                Hello AlexRich,

                                If you read back through my posts most likely info relating to all your questions, but some answers:

                                We don't seem to have any problems with customer loyalty, our sales jus seem to keep increasing so I think most customers keep shopping through our stores rather than jus going to Amazon themselves.

                                We do try to build a more personal relationship with our customers, say like an old time store might have had with their customers, not the faceless corporate approach. We want them to come to know us personally, our names, our faces, some stories about us, we want them to feel like they are shopping with people they know fairly personally.

                                The 8 or so niches we are in we chose because we do have some personal interest in them, so we can relate to them the same as our customers do.

                                (But not that necessary. I think we could fake it with most niches. lol)

                                Our Newsletters can include little personal stories an photos and that helps our customers relate to us.

                                A funny example is that my Dad introduced me to Jimi Hendrix's songs and I loved his guitar work so decided to learn some of the songs. First song I decided to learn was All Along The Watchtower, some amazing guitar work in it. Sherri set the video camera up and was recording me, an it was funny, I kept stuffing up because it's really complex, an after a while believe me I was saying a few choice words that he hadn't included in his song. lol. Maybe not very appropriate for most niche's but Musicians could appreciate and relate to it. lol

                                She didn't tell me but her next issue of her Newsletter she wrote about that an put a link to the uploaded video. She also invited comment's on my performance lol. Well, her list is about 10,000, within about 2 days of sending out her Newsletter she had nearly 5000 views and ended up with 7,860 views after 2 weeks. Also hundreds of comments, some with sympathy lol, others jus laughing, others with advice like I needed more fingers! lol. But that was jus great customer involvement for her. Other personal stories might have jus been about us going to different music concerts or festivals, jus different things so they get to know us and relate to us. We make personal Christmas Cards each year and send to all our lists, things like that. It all seems to keep our customers wanting to deal with us an not going elsewhere. (In all our niche's too, not jus music niche)

                                We are not actually reviewing any of the Amazon Store products in the Newsletters, she just runs 1 or 2 Ads for her Music Store's in each issue, sometimes funny, like one was something about her having over 20,000 Guitars in the Guitar Store, so if they couldn't find one they liked they better take up playing Drums!

                                I wrote about the overall way we design the Super Stores in another post. We build a HTML website which is like the "Building" that houses the Amazon stores. A direct Menue link takes you to each store, eg Guitars. Not hiding the fact at all that they are going to her Amazon Store, they can see that when they get there.

                                FB Questions I answered in replies to jan roos, see above.

                                Re Newsletter as PDF - We want it to be more like a mini magazine and them to think of it that way too, so that's the reason we are not setting it up on a html website. (or WP) We can design it Magazine Style jus in Word, with colums, graphics, photos, plus links to external sites or videos etc. Then save in Word as a PDF for easy download. (also save our original Magazine design as a Template in Word)

                                Yes they are signing up for the Newsletter/Magazine so current edition goes out to them as soon as they sign up.

                                I'v mentioned that Sherri's are normally about 4 pages but they can be longer, her Nov issue is 6 pages an her Dec will be at least 8 pages, for a Christmas issue.

                                A Magazine we do for our largest list/niche is 24 to 30 pages monthly. It's going to a list of over 100,000 now and that currently generates us about one million dollars a year in Affiliate commissions. But that one doesn't feature Amazon Products/Stores at all, we are using mainstream Affiliate programs for that niche.

                                Before anyone asks - we started building that list about 5 years ago, first year we got about 6000 Subscribers I think. You jus plan your Business out an start Building. Be realistic, work towards building a REAL Business, not giving up if after a few weeks your not producing much income. As long as you have a viable Business idea and take time planning an working on it, it will grow, it gets easier as you go, as you continue to learn more about how to do things and what works.

                                Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author myob
            Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

            Not sure of your full meaning, but I have no doubts you could make a comfortable living selling rocks out of your backyard if you could market them well enough
            You can make a fortune selling rocks with the right marketing model. Rocks are in demand, and it's a huge business today, as in landscaping, fountains, gardens, decorative, fencing, etc. But you're doomed at the start if you think you can effectively rank "review sites" in such highly competitive, lucrative, and saturated niches.
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by myob View Post

              You can make a fortune selling rocks with the right marketing model. Rocks are in demand, and it's a huge business today, as in landscaping, fountains, gardens, decorative, fencing, etc. But you're doomed at the start if you think you can effectively rank "review sites" in such highly competitive, lucrative, and saturated niches.

              Make sure you add post or that will kill ya! lol

              Lindy
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              • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                Hey myob,

                I jus found not a single Review Site for rocks. Should be easy to SEO!

                Lindy Rocks! lol

                Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author GGpaul
    Got it. So some of you utilize media buys, paid traffic, ppc etc.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tanya Ortiz
    I am an affiliate marketer and I LOOOOOOVE to utilize Craigslist. Yes, it does work. I got a sign up today. I'm in Md and the lady was in NY through Craigslist.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by Tanya Ortiz View Post

      I am an affiliate marketer and I LOOOOOOVE to utilize Craigslist. Yes, it does work. I got a sign up today. I'm in Md and the lady was in NY through Craigslist.
      Hello Tanya,

      Yes Craigslist is great, a huge reach an you can automate with posting software. We use it too even with Offline. Should never rely on jus one way of promoting any Business, there are hundreds of ways.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    wow what an amazing informative thread!

    Lindy; which criteria you use to find serious brands,shops,companys who offers fpr their products an affiliate program?

    I know I can use azon, cb,jvz......but when I will offer more affiliate products from other companys to my list,how I find them?

    How I find out that they are an serious partner,that they are an serious shop who consumer trust them?

    I know it must be an offer who the seller not has an opt in box on his site,so they catch your subscribers.

    But how I find out when I search for affiliate products; is the seller serious, does consumer trust them?......etc,etc,,etc


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      wow what an amazing informative thread!

      Lindy; which criteria you use to find serious brands,shops,companys who offers fpr their products an affiliate program?

      I know I can use azon, cb,jvz......but when I will offer more affiliate products from other companys to my list,how I find them?

      How I find out that they are an serious partner,that they are an serious shop who consumer trust them?

      I know it must be an offer who the seller not has an opt in box on his site,so they catch your subscribers.

      But how I find out when I search for affiliate products; is the seller serious, does consumer trust them?......etc,etc,,etc


      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco,

      We just use Google to do searches for Affiliate Programs.

      Example: Affiliate Programs For Pets will find thousands of Affiliate Programs, so you jus do that with whatever niche your interested in.

      Jus searching for: Affiliate Programs can give you a broad overview of different types of Affiliate Programs and niches you may not have even thought of.

      There are lots of Affiliate Networks like CommissionJunction.com that run the Affiliate Programs for thousands of companies.

      One Network we like is ClixGalore.com They have a large number of programs and many pay 20 to 30%. (from about 5% to 50%)

      We have never had any problems with any Affiliate Program, but again you could then do a Google search on the particular company. People are fairly vocal on the internet so likely to be something to be found if people have had bad experiences.

      Not sure if your marketing in Europe or to US. If jus within Europe you will have to check about shipping, some companies ship world wide but others don't.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Lindy big big thanks again!

    Wow this is an inspriring online business method learning thread.....so I have called my word doc where I have put your answers Lindy.

    This thread is an awesome cold water splash to refreshing my head and brain......

    Jan Roos; this is an amazon title; "say goodbay to google", hehehehe, jada kick out google muahahahaha.......... great,superb.




    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      Lindy big big thanks again!

      Wow this is an inspriring online business method learning thread.....so I have called my word doc where I have put your answers Lindy.

      This thread is an awesome cold water splash to refreshing my head and brain......

      Jan Roos; this is an amazon title; "say goodbay to google", hehehehe, jada kick out google muahahahaha.......... great,superb.




      best wishes
      marco005
      Ohh, a Wod Doc named after me! Thank You marcos.

      lol

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author jamiefeld
    I've tried Amazon several times but you need to have LOTS of traffic and have a very targeted audience.

    The main problem with Amazon is that the "cookie" only lasts 24 hours, using other affiliate networks sometimes give you up to 3-6 months (but on the other hand sometimes they don't pay!). Another problem is the commission being a 5%, fair enough I used to make $50 per sale but at a very low conversion rate so I ended up just making $100 a month, not enough for a living and not worth the time invested.

    Your mileage may vary!
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by jamiefeld View Post

      I've tried Amazon several times but you need to have LOTS of traffic and have a very targeted audience.

      The main problem with Amazon is that the "cookie" only lasts 24 hours, using other affiliate networks sometimes give you up to 3-6 months (but on the other hand sometimes they don't pay!). Another problem is the commission being a 5%, fair enough I used to make $50 per sale but at a very low conversion rate so I ended up just making $100 a month, not enough for a living and not worth the time invested.

      Your mileage may vary!
      Hello jamiefeld,

      That's the reason you build your own targeted audience - your list. Then you are not constantly looking for traffic.

      An you only use Amazon as part of your Affiliate Offering, mainly for the sheer volume of products you can offer from their niche Stores.

      By including other Affiliate Programs and Networks you can also be promoting offers that give you higher commissions, usually all paying more than amazon an some with 20 to 30% or more.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
        I know you're supposed to not hide the amazon links, but how is everyone else doing it? I just integrated astore into part of the main site and set it up to look like part of the site. There is the "powered" by Amazon icon there which I'm assuming is enough for that. However I also have many other pages on my site promoting products outside of that. I typically have a "check price" button or a "buy here" link. I don't indicate that clicking those will send you to Amazon except for the link which is in the format style of "mysite.com/jduo/amazon/price".

        Is that fine? I've searched the ToS and as far as I can understand it is. I also have the affiliate disclaimer in my privacy policy. I would hate to have my account banned. I'm curious how others are setting up links?
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  • Profile picture of the author copybum
    Debbie, I'm sure it's possible to make over 1000 a month as
    an Amazon affiliate. But the real key is to build your list first.
    Amazon could be one of many sources of products for your
    subscribers. I wouldn't worry about making money from
    Amazon.

    I'd focus on building your list so you can make affiliate income
    regardless of where the products come from.
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  • Profile picture of the author cooler1
    Nowadays, Amazon tends to dominate not one, but about the first four slots in Google for product keywords. Back in 2011, you would often see affiliate review sites in the top 3, but now it's mostly Amazon dominating the top 4 and the rest of page 1 is big box stores. It's just too hard now. I think the better option is to look for none SEO traffic sources. However, that would take a lot of time and planning also.
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  • Profile picture of the author PPC-Coach
    Don't try to do SEO traffic to Amazon.

    Try Facebook traffic to Amazon now.

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  • Profile picture of the author duplication
    Absolutely I am living proof. Retail online sell better than all digital products. Ask Walmart, Amazon, Ebay, Target. Get ready for CYBER Monday thats Amazons biggest day.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Lindy; to build a list from facebook, do you posting daily on facebook oe you have only a opt in page on fb?

    Or it is necessary to post daily articles on facebook to get subscribers?


    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      Lindy; to build a list from facebook, do you posting daily on facebook oe you have only a opt in page on fb?

      Or it is necessary to post daily articles on facebook to get subscribers?


      marco005
      Hello marco,

      There are different ways of using FaceBook for list building and marketing. We really don't have time to be involved with FB in the more normal way of making daily posts like most people do. We have two girls who work on the Affiliate Marketing part of our Business, they are responsible for both finding Affiliate Offers that we can promote as well as continuing to build our Lists.

      We set up FB Fan Pages for our niche's and on them we have the link to Opt In Sqeeze Page for our Newsletter/Publication. We use software called Social Lead Freak (that I'v mentioned before) to "raid" other FB Communities and Groups etc that are involved with the same niche interest. SLF can extract the FaceBook ID's of all their Members.

      Then we use paid FB advertising to drive traffic to our Fan Page, BUT we can direct FB to only serve up the FB Ads to jus the FB ID's that we have extracted with SLF. This means our Ads are very highly targeted jus to people who are already interested in our niche subject. So for example if we were promoting for the Pet niche, we can use SLF to find people who we know have pets, because they are already in other Communities and Groups relating to pets.

      That is the fastest way for us to build our lists because we are able to target people who we know are already interested in that particular niche market, we then jus use our free publication (Newsletter) offer to get them on our lists and involved with us.

      But there are other ways of using FB too, depending on your niche a bit, but a lot of possibilities for many niche's.

      One is building your own Community or Group so you can target them both within FB or Fan Page as well as mailing list.

      I love (subject) is a good way to build Groups. These are examples of Single Groups:
      I love funny dogs has 268,000 members
      I love funny cats has 230,00
      I love coffee 78,000
      I love Christmas 1,465,000
      I love manicures 4,400,000

      Smaller Groups - example I love Rotweillers have 150,000 in jus first 10 listings/groups.

      With the Group idea you are inviting your Members to make postings and upload photo's so they are really building an promoting the Group for you. They are engaged with you, the Group an their interest.

      If you do a FaceBook search on the Groups above you will see how they work. We have used that method ourselves but now streamlined it to jus using FB to build our lists, using SocialLeadFreak an FB Ads.

      Others may have suggestions as to how they use FB too, see if there are other threads relating to FB.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Stevie C
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello marco,

        There are different ways of using FaceBook for list building and marketing. We really don't have time to be involved with FB in the more normal way of making daily posts like most people do. We have two girls who work on the Affiliate Marketing part of our Business, they are responsible for both finding Affiliate Offers that we can promote as well as continuing to build our Lists.

        We set up FB Fan Pages for our niche's and on them we have the link to Opt In Sqeeze Page for our Newsletter/Publication. We use software called Social Lead Freak (that I'v mentioned before) to "raid" other FB Communities and Groups etc that are involved with the same niche interest. SLF can extract the FaceBook ID's of all their Members.

        Then we use paid FB advertising to drive traffic to our Fan Page, BUT we can direct FB to only serve up the FB Ads to jus the FB ID's that we have extracted with SLF. This means our Ads are very highly targeted jus to people who are already interested in our niche subject. So for example if we were promoting for the Pet niche, we can use SLF to find people who we know have pets, because they are already in other Communities and Groups relating to pets.

        That is the fastest way for us to build our lists because we are able to target people who we know are already interested in that particular niche market, we then jus use our free publication (Newsletter) offer to get them on our lists and involved with us.

        But there are other ways of using FB too, depending on your niche a bit, but a lot of possibilities for many niche's.

        One is building your own Community or Group so you can target them both within FB or Fan Page as well as mailing list.

        I love (subject) is a good way to build Groups. These are examples of Single Groups:
        I love funny dogs has 268,000 members
        I love funny cats has 230,00
        I love coffee 78,000
        I love Christmas 1,465,000
        I love manicures 4,400,000

        Smaller Groups - example I love Rotweillers have 150,000 in jus first 10 pages.

        With the Group idea you are inviting your Members to make postings and upload photo's so they are really building an promoting the Group for you. They are engaged with you, the Group an their interest.

        If you do a FaceBook search on the Groups above you will see how they work. We have used that method ourselves but now streamlined it to jus using FB to build our lists, using SocialLeadFreak an FB Ads.

        Others may have suggestions as to how they use FB too, see if there are other threads relating to FB.

        Lindy
        I'm just starting [a bit late] to add Facebook to my marketing strategies but Lindys posts have been absolute Gold in possibilities on how to use it. Thanks Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by Stevie C View Post

          I'm just starting [a bit late] to add Facebook to my marketing strategies but Lindys posts have been absolute Gold in possibilities on how to use it. Thanks Lindy
          Hello Stevie,

          Your Welcome.

          Feel free to ask questions while I'm in teachy mood. lol

          Lindy
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  • Excellent information. I only reached 3rd page and I have learned more here than in any course I bought.
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  • Profile picture of the author edenaff
    Honestly, I have found from promoting amazon products in the past that the margins are so low and competition so high, that its hard to generate the kind of income you are suggesting (over $1K+) per month.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by edenaff View Post

      Honestly, I have found from promoting amazon products in the past that the margins are so low and competition so high, that its hard to generate the kind of income you are suggesting (over $1K+) per month.
      Hello edenaff,

      If you read through this thread from the start you will find that I and MYOB especially have been showing different ways of Affiliate Marketing with Amazon.

      You are right that it's hard to make even $1000 a month from Amazon, if you do things exactly the same way as everyone else.

      I have been showing a model that we use very successfully, incorporating both Amazon an other Affiliate Programs.

      Our Affiliate Commissions more average $40,000 Per WEEK, not $1000 per Month, so our ways certainly work. (averaged over year)

      It's a matter of thinking differently to others, if everyone thinks the same they get the same!

      Keyword that I say over an over is THINK. I'm sure that I even told that my Dad an I have the word "Think" printed out in red on a postcard an up on our whiteboards in front of us where we see it hundreds of times everyday.

      That's a million dollar tip, really is.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
        :confused:

        OT here,

        heard hard to become amazon affiliate ?

        your website or blog must have quality content in order to place their affiliate links?
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    WOW!

    another refreshing cold water splash on my head and mind.....better as white tea...
    That there are various marketing method's on fb to build a list this is great, I not be one of the warriors who like to "chat" daily with many people to build a list-no.

    Thanks Lindy, thanks to you warriors......

    I must now a little bit learning how facebook works must read another threads, wso...a little bit deeper , facebook is so new for me so complicated like ebay today......not so user friendly.....i don't know how to build a page in facebook,LOL.....

    But I pack it already....



    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      WOW!

      another refreshing cold water splash on my head and mind.....better as white tea...
      That there are various marketing method's on fb to build a list this is great, I not be one of the warriors who like to "chat" daily with many people to build a list-no.

      Thanks Lindy, thanks to you warriors......

      I must now a little bit learning how facebook works must read another threads, wso...a little bit deeper , facebook is so new for me so complicated like ebay today......not so user friendly.....i don't know how to build a page in facebook,LOL.....

      But I pack it already....



      best wishes
      marco005
      Hello marco

      You can always find someone to setup/build a page for you, like someone in fiverr.com who will do for jus $5

      It's always best to know how to do things yourself, but not completely necessary, you can outsource most things if you need to.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author alvinhy
    i think the hardest part is to find niche that is rank able on google lol...ive been trying to find a product niche I can use for affiliate marketing that is not saturated for ages.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by alvinhy View Post

      i think the hardest part is to find niche that is rank able on google lol...ive been trying to find a product niche I can use for affiliate marketing that is not saturated for ages.
      Lindy Slaps alvinhy for using those BAD words - "rankable on google"

      Geez alvinhy, you have not been listening in class to anything I or myob have been saying. You better stay after school and read everything again.

      You DO NOT have to rank ANYTHING in Google to profit from Affiliate Marketing.

      Write that on the blackboard 100 times!

      You DO have to think in a different way and build a list.

      Write that on the blackboard 100 times too!

      Trying to rank in Google is the reason most people fail with Affiliate Marketing, that's taking the way way hard road when there are easier highways to your destination.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author alvinhy
        Thanks for the wake up call! I think I was too deep inside trying to search a way for IM to work.

        I found a niche and just been digging around how to get good ranks and keywords. I read back the thread and thought, maybe after I have some decent content then I can use Facebook to create my list.

        I really like the way how you target Facebook users with social lead freak.
        Once I get them on my Facebook page, I then can redirect them to my website and get them to join my mailing list.

        Is that a better way to think Lindy =P

        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Lindy Slaps alvinhy for using those BAD words - "rankable on google"

        Geez alvinhy, you have not been listening in class to anything I or myob have been saying. You better stay after school and read everything again.

        You DO NOT have to rank ANYTHING in Google to profit from Affiliate Marketing.

        Write that on the blackboard 100 times!

        You DO have to think in a different way and build a list.

        Write that on the blackboard 100 times too!

        Trying to rank in Google is the reason most people fail with Affiliate Marketing, that's taking the way way hard road when there are easier highways to your destination.

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by alvinhy View Post

          Thanks for the wake up call! I think I was too deep inside trying to search a way for IM to work.

          I found a niche and just been digging around how to get good ranks and keywords. I read back the thread and thought, maybe after I have some decent content then I can use Facebook to create my list.

          I really like the way how you target Facebook users with social lead freak.
          Once I get them on my Facebook page, I then can redirect them to my website and get them to join my mailing list.

          Is that a better way to think Lindy =P
          Yes, we think leave the Google Google to Babies lol, at least with Affiliate Marketing.

          I'm not putting Google down, we use it all the time in our Offline IM Business's to rank local websites, etc., but for Affiliate Marketing you would need to spend heaps of money to have much success with ranking.

          We have been involved with Affiliate Marketing for 10 years, and my Dad even a few years more than that, so we have tried pretty much every way there is of promoting Affiliate Offers. My advice comes from experience, some of it very hard. lol

          Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author Heather88
            Aw man I just made my thread

            and now just found this one.This thread is GOOD!

            LindaUK IS ON FIRE LOL.

            This has inspired me to even branch out to markets I would never think of promoting.

            I have knowledge(and a ton of passion) in the natural health/detoxification market, and I want to do something with that.As a fellow natural health and beauty supporter, I know this is a crazy hungry, always greedy market(And a dedicated one as well).

            I may stop by Whole Foods or Barnes and Noble and grab up some magazines too.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    what is when most people on facebook are not will click on your outgoing link to your website -opt in page?

    Or does the fb people opt in on facebook or on my website?
    I will use imnica email.

    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Yes, it is really possible and even more so with the upcoming Black Friday, Cyber Monday, Christmas and New Year shopping / holiday seasons.

    Truth be told, NOT all people lived in cities or towns. Some of them lived in offskirts like woods, mountains or other places away from those. Hence the cost of driving to nearest city and town can be very expensive even for buying groceries.

    I am currently working on Amazon. Building an all-in-one Christmas and New Year shopping site - my first ever authority site which focuses on multi categories of products for men, women and children.

    Though the commissions are low at 4% which is where all new associates started out, the conversions are much higher.

    Truth be told, most people prefer to buy things they are well familiar with, need and want badly be it on-or-offline.

    Don't get me wrong.

    Info products still can sell well. Like ebooks, video courses and internet marketing tools and resources like software and WP themes still converted very well on Clickbank and even this site on Special Offers.

    But not everybody who is looking for information related to info products want to buy.

    However for physical products, it is a different story.

    If I am a dad and my wife just gave birth and should we live on the outskirts of the town, chances are I will be looking online to buy baby stroller rather than going to the nearest town and city to buy one since I need to look after my wife and baby.
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  • Profile picture of the author cyberzolo
    You have to sell a lot of products to earn $1000 per month. You only earn like 4% of all the products that you sell.
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by cyberzolo View Post

      You have to sell a lot of products to earn $1000 per month. You only earn like 4% of all the products that you sell.
      Lindy, here's another one who wasn't paying attention in class.

      There are Amazon affiliates earning $1,000 and more per day with the methods discussed in this thread.

      And, it doesn't take many sales to reach this level if you're promoting products in the 4-5 figure price range.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Lindy, here's another one who wasn't paying attention in class.

        There are Amazon affiliates earning $1,000 and more per day with the methods discussed in this thread.

        And, it doesn't take many sales to reach this level if you're promoting products in the 4-5 figure price range.
        Thanks myob,

        Blackboard for him too I think! lol

        Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        Lindy, here's another one who wasn't paying attention in class.

        There are Amazon affiliates earning $1,000 and more per day with the methods discussed in this thread.

        And, it doesn't take many sales to reach this level if you're promoting products in the 4-5 figure price range.
        My niche is fairly popular, but the products are in a varied price range. Averaging about $20-50. I have almost no competition and the sale to traffic ratio is great. So, are you and Lindy only promoting higher end items? Am I wasting time trying to build a list for lower priced products?

        I don't feel like it's a waste of time, but I have begun working on my list and it's quickly becoming expensive. Getting clicks with ads cost on average .50 cents. I see it being harder to make my money back and turn a profit. My targets are super laser targeted and I'm split testing many ads, so I'm hoping I can bring the cost down. I'm not scared to risk money, but I don't want to be paying more than I should. I do a lot of stock and futures trading and I'm noticing PPC is very similar in the risk reward department. It's fun trying to beat it. Of course I'm figuring out free ways to build a list too.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

          My niche is fairly popular, but the products are in a varied price range. Averaging about $20-50. I have almost no competition and the sale to traffic ratio is great. So, are you and Lindy only promoting higher end items? Am I wasting time trying to build a list for lower priced products?

          I don't feel like it's a waste of time, but I have begun working on my list and it's quickly becoming expensive. Getting clicks with ads cost on average .50 cents. I see it being harder to make my money back and turn a profit. My targets are super laser targeted and I'm split testing many ads, so I'm hoping I can bring the cost down. I'm not scared to risk money, but I don't want to be paying more than I should. I do a lot of stock and futures trading and I'm noticing PPC is very similar in the risk reward department. It's fun trying to beat it. Of course I'm figuring out free ways to build a list too.
          Hello Wickaman,

          No, myob's and our ways are very different models, but I think they are the only two models that can really produce high Affiliate income, or even very much income.

          Myob promotes high ticket items and we promote more lower range items, though some go into the hundreds of dollars.

          He is promoting fewer items where we are sort of letting people run loose in a "SuperStore" with maybe 20,000 to 100,000 or more product choices.

          So we are sort of at the opposite ends of the stick.

          My end of the stick is better though! Jus said that to razz myob! lol

          But where we totally agree I think is that the so called "normal" way of promoting Affiliate products by Review Sites and the Grace of Google is NOT a very successful way of dong things.

          Now you have to remember Sisyphus (Lindy pokes her stick at myob lol) but the reference is right, trying to promote via Review Sites and Google's Grace, an trying to promote in the same way in the same niches as a 1000 others is like rolling a stone uphill.

          A logical argument against Review Sites is that they are mainly relying on Google ranking. Now saying top 5 rankings would get most if not all of the traffic, umm, how many review sites can fit in top 5 rankings? I wasn't very good at maths at school but I'll add it up. Is it 5? lol. An how many people might be trying to rank their review sites for same product? umm, well I give up but likely heaps. So unless you can find untapped markets or product keywords you are totally stu**ed! That's why you need to think differently to others in how you market, an why you need to build lists.

          Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

          Am I wasting time trying to build a list for lower priced products?
          Not at all. In fact, that is exactly what I do. As I mentioned quite early on in this thread my method is to build lists of buyers by offering nominally priced products (under $50), then promote (ie recommend) incrementally higher end products to my lists.

          As the sales cycle progresses, I obtain other communication channels from my subscribers, such as telephone contact, mailing address, social media, etc.

          Nobody I know has ever sold products in the 4-5+ figure price range without first building trust and consistently engaging their customers on a personal level through some kind of an integrated communication system.

          IMNSHO, the widely accepted conversion rates resulting from wimpy-assed "review sites" is far below the potential, and are not representative of the insatiable demand for quality products (read: expensive and luxurious).

          Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

          I don't feel like it's a waste of time, but I have begun working on my list and it's quickly becoming expensive. Getting clicks with ads cost on average .50 cents. I see it being harder to make my money back and turn a profit. My targets are super laser targeted and I'm split testing many ads, so I'm hoping I can bring the cost down. I'm not scared to risk money, but I don't want to be paying more than I should. I do a lot of stock and futures trading and I'm noticing PPC is very similar in the risk reward department. It's fun trying to beat it. Of course I'm figuring out free ways to build a list too.
          This was also covered quite early on in this thread. I use neither PPC, SEO, and very seldom any form of paid advertising. I've been selling Amazon and other affiliate products the same way for over 13 years, and amassed a fortune.

          My marketing model actually is rather simple in concept: establish an "authoritative presence" using article syndication, build niche lists, then recommend relevant products to subscribers within these niche lists.

          An excellent tutorial describing this basic marketing model which I have frequently recommended in many of my posts is this timeless classic, "Turn Words Into Traffic", by Jim and Dallas Edwards. Also consider reading "Brand Against the Machine: How to Build Your Brand, Cut Through the Marketing Noise, and Stand Out from the Competition" by John Morgan.
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          • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            Not at all. In fact, that is exactly what I do. As I mentioned quite early on in this thread my method is to build lists of buyers by offering nominally priced products (under $50), then promote (ie recommend) incrementally higher end products to my lists.

            As the sales cycle progresses, I obtain other communication channels from my subscribers, such as telephone contact, mailing address, social media, etc.

            Nobody I know has ever sold products in the 4-5+ figure price range without first building trust and consistently engaging their customers on a personal level through some kind of an integrated communication system.

            IMNSHO, the widely accepted conversion rates resulting from wimpy-assed "review sites" is far below the potential, and are not representative of the insatiable demand for quality products (read: expensive and luxurious).



            This was also covered quite early on in this thread. I use neither PPC, SEO, and very seldom any form of paid advertising. I've been selling Amazon and other affiliate products the same way for over 13 years, and amassed a fortune.

            My marketing model actually is rather simple in concept: establish an "authoritative presence" using article syndication, build niche lists, then recommend relevant products to subscribers within these niche lists.

            An excellent tutorial describing this basic marketing model which I have frequently recommended in many of my posts is this timeless classic, "Turn Words Into Traffic", by Jim and Dallas Edwards. Also consider reading "Brand Against the Machine: How to Build Your Brand, Cut Through the Marketing Noise, and Stand Out from the Competition" by John Morgan.
            Thanks for the input. Article syndication would be tricky with my niche. I don't have a lot of experience, but I have used it (I think) with my other site and it seems more beneficial for products that require infomation before a purchase. That's not my niche. Can you tell me anything about how you use it? I honestly don't fully understand how it works. I'll check out the books you recommended, thanks.
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            • Profile picture of the author alvinhy
              Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

              Thanks for the input. Article syndication would be tricky with my niche. I don't have a lot of experience, but I have used it (I think) with my other site and it seems more beneficial for products that require infomation before a purchase. That's not my niche. Can you tell me anything about how you use it? I honestly don't fully understand how it works. I'll check out the books you recommended, thanks.
              I think I am in the same shoes as you are. I read a lot of the threads and I am building a fleet of niche sites and building niche lists.

              Each site has around 60+ articles dripping every week and social media accounts to attract readers to get more traffic.

              Then hopefully the list will grow and in the future i can promote them new products.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

              Thanks for the input. Article syndication would be tricky with my niche. I don't have a lot of experience, but I have used it (I think) with my other site and it seems more beneficial for products that require infomation before a purchase. That's not my niche. Can you tell me anything about how you use it? I honestly don't fully understand how it works. I'll check out the books you recommended, thanks.
              No matter what traffic generation method you use, list-building is essential. My little trick is to build relationships with my subscribers long before they ever subscribe. This is accomplished through article syndication; regular contributions to publications which are read by my targeted prospects.

              After reading my articles, they often gravitate over to a relevant niche website and buy the recommended product. The sales page has an optin form for buyers only, as they must enter the Amazon (or other affiliate product) transaction ID# to complete the subscription process.

              This effectively filters out free loaders, although admittedly it may also eliminate an inestimable percentage of potential "eventual" buyers. It is designed primarily to quickly target and qualify proven buyers for repeat sales.

              Subscribers are then sent daily emails which include niche-specific info, additional resources, product applications, jokes (good ones), and a product promotion. Upon a subsequent purchase, subscribers are added to a new list for the next product in queue.

              This process continues over several sales cycles of up to three months each, as incrementally higher priced products are promoted. Customers are continually engaged with rich content and resources. We gradually introduce other communication channels such as telephone contact info, mailing address, personal data, etc for marketing the higher end products.

              The essence of article syndication as a marketing model is that articles can drive massive laser-targeted traffic to a conversion funnel. This is not rocket science. Processing of the resulting traffic varies widely by different marketers, just as it does with other forms of traffic generation.

              But building lists through article syndication is the most powerful marketing method I have ever known, and it's my method of choice for breaking into any niche no matter how stiff the competition may be. In essence, the article syndication model is a marketing strategy for the most competitive (and lucrative) niches in which SEO can rarely target effectively.

              There is a powerful nuance of article marketing which is difficult to convey. Before you attempt to sell a product, first sell yourself to your target market. The articles I write seldom even mention a specific product, but rather focus on a specific problem, weakness, hazard, liability, industry legislation, or events affecting bottom line profit which can be remedied or optimized with a particular course of action.

              Articles are information-rich, and are designed to subtly position me as an "expert" within the niche. This favorably affects the mindset of readers for product recommendations on my websites. They are written to be readily and widely accepted for syndication.

              For example, if you sell security or alarm systems, position yourself as a security specialist by writing generic articles for businesses on crime statistics, how to secure their premises, protect their employees, internal procedures, community resources, etc.

              Having demonstrated your knowledge within this niche, you may be conferred by implication the title "security specialist". In addition, there is often a subtle but very powerful implied endorsement to readers when an article is accepted for publication. If done in a non-salesy approach, it will happen frequently that readers will visit your website through the link in the "resource box" for additional resources, tips, sales funnel, etc.

              Write quality, relevant articles that match the demographics of your targeted audience, then get them in the publications they read. Demonstrate your knowledge/expertise in the manner they expect. And you don't necessarily even need a "direct hit" for article syndication topics; general interest publications can be quite effective for a wide variety of niches. It is not unusual for editors to accept certain "off-topic" articles, providing it is of interest to their readers.

              The importance of conspicuous quality for article syndication cannot be over-emphasized. When you write to engage your reading audience, words can take on a life of their own and endure for long periods of time. Such articles may continue to be passed on to other readers, new audiences, and may appear in publications far removed from their original syndication sources. This happens; my articles usually continue to draw massive, highly convertible traffic for years.
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    Yeah I must learn ,read other threads and wso how to build fast a target list with facebook for free......

    To use both ways; free target list building and list building with fb ads,fast with low budget, not wait 2 years to have a 5000 subscriber list....


    marco005
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  • Profile picture of the author marco005
    Hi,

    @myob; I know it will depend of the niche where you are and the ezine where you sebnd your well written articles, but how long it takes with article syndication to build a list with 1000 subcribers?

    For these number I must write every week 1 article 10 months long or so???
    It is a slow step to build a list with article syndication?

    I think with facebook you get build your list faster it costs money, it cost money too to outsource good well written articles for ezines.


    best wishes
    marco005
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      This thread even impress's me, in that I find another big player like Myob who is willing to freely share his ways of Affiliate Marketing, an willing to take the time to answer anyone who asks questions of him.

      Over the years we have purchased tens of thousands of dollars worth of ebooks an courses, an we continue to do so. We only have to find one new small idea in them to be worthwhile to us.

      On occasion we have gone on to participate in 1 to 5 day workshops with some of these "Guru's" that have written those courses, (or more likely has someone write for them) and one thing is striking, often what they teach when their being paid $5000 to $25,000 for their personal time is way way different to what they teach in their lower priced ebooks an courses.

      Many have that attitude, if you don't pay you don't get. Or at least, if you don't pay big you only get small, an often small is only enough to wet your appetite to buy the next thing they sell, hoping that it might complete the puzzle for you. But it never seems to, because they really don't want to share their real Business models with you, unless your willing an able to pay that big big money.

      There are many restraints in sharing our knowledge and our methods in a thread, one of them being our personal time when we are also running large full time Business's.

      I'v noticed a few times when both myob and myself have had to answer questions again on things we have already covered in previous posts.

      Fine if you have not fully understood what we have said, but to get the best value from us, please take the time yourself to fully read through all our posts. If we are not having to take time repeating ourselves then we have more time to help you. Thanks.

      Lindy
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    • Profile picture of the author myob
      Originally Posted by marco005 View Post

      Hi,

      @myob; I know it will depend of the niche where you are and the ezine where you sebnd your well written articles, but how long it takes with article syndication to build a list with 1000 subcribers?

      For these number I must write every week 1 article 10 months long or so???
      It is a slow step to build a list with article syndication?

      I think with facebook you get build your list faster it costs money, it cost money too to outsource good well written articles for ezines.


      best wishes
      marco005
      It is not unreasonable to expect many times that number of subscribers in one day, with just a few articles targeting your readership audience. Within any given viable niche, there may be thousands, or perhaps even hundreds of thousands, of publications suitable for article syndication. And getting articles published in relevant niche ezines, newsletters, blogs, offline magazines, newspapers, etc can directly drive massive floods of traffic to your funnel system very quickly. Article syndication is the fastest way of building lists that I'm aware of. And as I've emphasized many times, it really does not take many articles at all to do so. The best course I have ever bought explains this very simple marketing system: Turn Words Into Traffic, by Jim and Dallas Edwards.

      Originally Posted by jan roos View Post

      You guys are great! I make good money with the review model but adding this to my business should hopefully push me into the next bracket. Thanks for sharing so freely.

      Myob, I liked your security example. Question, when you send people to your site from the syndicated article can u give us an example of what that site would look like?

      Cheers

      Jan
      With apologies, I don't think disclosing my websites will add anything significant to what I've already been teaching. My own employees are even bound by rather extensive non-disclosure contracts as well as confidentiality agreements. Besides, article syndication is a method of generating traffic, and systems for funneling streams of that traffic can vary widely. The funnel system and internal processing I do could be described as a "meat grinder", because we quickly dispose of inactive subscribers or non-buyers.

      My niche websites are typically content-rich and contain archived articles which have been syndicated over the years, required legal stuff, disclaimers, and links to niche-specific product presell pages. Each linked product page has an opt-in form for buyers to subscribe for product updates, reports, niche news, etc. Internal processing of my subscribers from article syndication traffic was previously discussed in this thread and dozens of others.
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      • Profile picture of the author jan roos
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        My niche websites are typically content-rich and contain archived articles which have been syndicated over the years, required legal stuff, disclaimers, and links to niche-specific product presell pages. Each linked product page has an opt-in form for buyers to subscribe for product updates, reports, niche news, etc. Internal processing of my subscribers from article syndication traffic was previously discussed in this thread and dozens of others.
        That';s what I was looking for.

        Thanks Myob
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  • Profile picture of the author jan roos
    You guys are great! I make good money with the review model but adding this to my business should hopefully push me into the next bracket. Thanks for sharing so freely.

    Myob, I liked your security example. Question, when you send people to your site from the syndicated article can u give us an example of what that site would look like?

    Cheers

    Jan
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  • Profile picture of the author rsmllc
    Hey guys, I just noticed this thread, and I'd like to answer YES. Amazon associate is a huge fortune if you do it right. I started a month ago with the associates program and I've earned over $4,000 (that's not a typo ).

    No, I didn't created a 'WSO' about it because there's pretty much nothing about it.

    Rather I started a thread where I shared my brief 'story' about what I did: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...g-started.html

    Good luck!
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  • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
    I'll readily admit to still having a few questions...They've been around for a while now, though :p

    If anyone remembers, I did say before that I would start affiliate marketing for myself a while ago. Simple fact is, I haven't had a chance yet (well, that's not completely true, but true enough :p).

    I do want to soon, but am yet to select the best niche for me. I have a few ideas, but I haven't made a final decision yet, and I'll take my time over it.

    My questions, though, are:

    Lindy: you say you have many Amazon stores on one website, how is that possible? Do you have each store on a sub-page, linked from the main?


    I was sure I had more questions, actually, but that's the only one that pops into my mind right now. As I write around 3/4 time for one client (in their office) atm, I will have limited time for this, but wish to do it right during those few hours. I will take care of all but web development myself, as I'm pretty useless at it.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

      I'll readily admit to still having a few questions...They've been around for a while now, though :p

      If anyone remembers, I did say before that I would start affiliate marketing for myself a while ago. Simple fact is, I haven't had a chance yet (well, that's not completely true, but true enough :p).

      I do want to soon, but am yet to select the best niche for me. I have a few ideas, but I haven't made a final decision yet, and I'll take my time over it.

      My questions, though, are:

      Lindy: you say you have many Amazon stores on one website, how is that possible? Do you have each store on a sub-page, linked from the main?


      I was sure I had more questions, actually, but that's the only one that pops into my mind right now. As I write around 3/4 time for one client (in their office) atm, I will have limited time for this, but wish to do it right during those few hours. I will take care of all but web development myself, as I'm pretty useless at it.
      Hello BudaBrit

      Re:
      Lindy: you say you have many Amazon stores on one website, how is that possible? Do you have each store on a sub-page, linked from the main?

      No, we consider our Websites to be like the Building that houses a SuperStore. So a SuperStore has many different Floors or Departments.

      Within our Website we duplicate that idea by having menu links to each Amazon Store. For example with Sherri's Music Website she has 6 Amazon Stores plus 2 other items. So the menu bar looks like:

      Guitars Drums Keyboards Recording Equipment etc

      Clicking any menu item takes you to that particular Amazon Store, but still keeps her website open when they finish in that store, so possibly now they will decide to go into one of her other stores as well.

      Of course these stores are all relevant to the same niche, in this case the Music niche. I'm not advising to have stores that are not associated on a website, that would not be niche targeting.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello BudaBrit

        Re:
        Lindy: you say you have many Amazon stores on one website, how is that possible? Do you have each store on a sub-page, linked from the main?

        No, we consider our Websites to be like the Building that houses a SuperStore. So a SuperStore has many different Floors or Departments.

        Within our Website we duplicate that idea by having menu links to each Amazon Store. For example with Sherri's Music Website she has 6 Amazon Stores plus 2 other items. So the menu bar looks like:

        Guitars Drums Keyboards Recording Equipment etc

        Clicking any menu item takes you to that particular Amazon Store, but still keeps her website open when they finish in that store, so possibly now they will decide to go into one of her other stores as well.

        Of course these stores are all relevant to the same niche, in this case the Music niche. I'm not advising to have stores that are not associated on a website, that would not be niche targeting.

        Lindy
        OK, I see what you mean.

        TBH, I believe that, when I start out, I will be launching on the other model, however. Promoting individual products. However, I do wish to try your method out, so I may split test it next year sometime.
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

          OK, I see what you mean.

          TBH, I believe that, when I start out, I will be launching on the other model, however. Promoting individual products. However, I do wish to try your method out, so I may split test it next year sometime.
          Hello BudaBrit

          Personally we think promoting single products is why most fail with Affiliate Marketing.

          The only way I would even think of promoting individual products is if you followed myob's model.

          We are only involved in about 8 different niche markets, but our yearly commissions from those exceed US two million dollars.

          Sherri with a list of about 10,000 for her Music niche is making at least US six thousand dollars a month.

          I can tell you we could not achieve a small fraction of those figures if we were promoting single items.

          That's from experience, because like everyone else, we started in Affiliate Marketing promoting single items.

          Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
            Thanks a lot Myob and Lindy. It really helps to hear advice from people who are already successful. I'm taking info from both your methods and applying it to mine. My list has been started and people are signing up, liking on Facebook, and exploring the site. The giveaway of the product in my niche seems to be doing the trick.

            I'm still nervous about the profit potential of this niche, but I'm optimistic.
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          • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
            Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

            Hello BudaBrit

            Personally we think promoting single products is why most fail with Affiliate Marketing.

            The only way I would even think of promoting individual products is if you followed myob's model.

            We are only involved in about 8 different niche markets, but our yearly commissions from those exceed US two million dollars.

            Sherri with a list of about 10,000 for her Music niche is making at least US six thousand dollars a month.

            I can tell you we could not achieve a small fraction of those figures if we were promoting single items.

            That's from experience, because like everyone else, we started in Affiliate Marketing promoting single items.

            Lindy
            Indeed Lindy.

            However, I had/have:

            a) already devised a strategy that seems to suit single items and letting Amazon deal with the rest

            b) not enough time on my hands to do exactly as you guys do

            Yet I still want to try your method, which is what I will do with site no2. But for now, I will be following Alexa/myob. I don't want or need $2m, tbh. I'm not prepared to put in the time. I want something I can spend less time on, my way, and make a supplementary income. For now. I quite enjoy my "job", if you can call it that
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              I thought this might be interesting to some, how we actually developed our ideas and Business Models that we use.

              I'v mentioned I started in IM in ebay, trying to sell ebooks. Wasn't very successful, I only made $408 for my whole first year. Like every one else I had big dreams of building my Business, but I had no clue really how to do it, didn't know anyone else involved with IM so I was jus buying an reading ebooks an searching on the web. I don't think WF was even going then, but if it was I didn't know about it.

              I used to like going into the MSN chat rooms, chatting up the Guys lol. One night I met John, we started talking an I found out he was from Australia an had been involved with IM Business's for 5 years. He was making a fulltime income from them, around US$75,000 a year which I viewed as a fortune then. I asked him if he would mentor me, but he said no. He said he didn't mind having a chat every now an then but he didn't have time to mentor me.

              Well, I'm not one to give up, every time we had a chat I would ask him, and he would say no, no, no. But I wore him down to where he eventually said yes.

              He started his mentoring by looking at what I was doing in ebay. I only had about 20 ebooks, most on Internet Marketing, a few recipe books and 3 on relationships, like how to get a girlfriend. I had never sold a copy of any of the relationship books, he decided to use those as my first lesson.

              He choose the how to get a girlfriend book as the first exercise.

              He said ok there are thousands of different books in ebay on thousands of different subjects. An thousands of people looking for books too, but how many might be looking for a book on how to get girlfriends, or even know one exists an listed in ebay?

              Next he said, but what if you stopped every young Guy you saw in the streets in London and asked them if they were looking for a girlfriend, an if they said yes, you then said, well go into that Hall (Building) and I'll come in an tell you how you can get a girlfriend.

              So now he said, well we have hundreds of Guys in there now who we know want to get a girlfriend. (a targeted audience) and you're the only girl in there, up on the stage in front of them, so you know their attention is going to be all on you and what your going to tell them. (a captive audience)

              So then he said, do you now think you could sell your ebook to some of them? My answer was yes, but how could I do that in real life?

              He said you build a Website, that's your Hall. And you attract single Guys to it. He also told me way back then that I needed to find other ebooks or products to sell on my website, to increase my chances of a sale from every visit to my site.

              So how we did it, it was like an Advice website for Guys, where they could ask me, being a girl, advice about other girls. I promoted in MySpace, I could target an attract Guys to my website in there. (Now you can do that much better an easier with FaceBook) It was a bit clunky, there wasn't any membership site software then I don't think, so it was jus a html website. Guys had to actually email me their questions and I would put their questions an my answers on the website. But it still worked well because it was interesting, everyone kept coming back to read what other Guys were asking me, an to see my answers. I would also promo my ebooks in some of my answers, they were shown along one side of my website with a paypal/download link. I would get beautiful emails an even with photos sometimes from Guys who had found a girlfriend from following my advice or buying and reading the ebooks. Also a few asking if I was single an wanting dates lol, cause I had my photos up there too. It was loads of fun.

              The idea was successful from the start, the first month I sold 36 of those how to get a girlfriend ebooks plus a few others. That was more than double the profit of my whole first year. As my website grew (with more Guys coming to it) I was soon selling hundreds of ebooks a month.

              I'll tell you something really personal, how John's lesson's an ways of thinking completely changed my life. Along the way something really wonderful happened. I was 24 then, Sherri was 8, I had no family, my parents had kicked me out of home when I was only 16 for becoming pregnant with Sherri. I was still hurting from that. Spending so much time together John an I soon became really close, we talked every night and I started to let Sherri talk with him too. He delighted her Sherri absolutely adored him, she would nearly knock me off my chair to get to him when she knew he was on the headphones. I started to think of him like a Dad that I had never had, I started to love him but wasn't game to tell him any of that. He was teaching me not only bout IM an Business, but about so many things, especially about thinking in a different way. He was councelling me too about my life, an I was taking it all in.

              A few months went by, one night his lesson to me was about our British Commandos, the SAS, an their motto, Who Dares Wins. He meant it as a business lesson but I took it to heart, I decided to Dare! I decided to ask him if he would really be my Dad an Sherri's GrandDad. He said yes, he adopted me as his Daughter, an Sherri as his Granddaughter.

              Some might think a personal story is out of place in a Business lesson, but my lessons are more bout thinking differently with your Business's. An remember too - Who Dares Wins.

              For those who have been following my posts, you will recognise that first model as now being the way we do Affiliate Marketing. Targeted Market - Captive Audience - Personal Approach -Engage Our Subscribers.

              In fact it is the base model that we use with all our Business's, it has allowed us to build a ten million dollar per year Business in only 9 years, an growing at a rate of around a million dollars a year. I hope others can use it to make dreams come true too.

              Lindy
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              • Profile picture of the author alvinhy
                Thanks Lindy for all these informative posts!
                I have learnt so much from you and others of course.

                Its basically like opening a retail store for IM businesses.
                You open a website and promote your products to specific target markets.

                I have put together a business idea for my affiliate marketing combining all the strategies I have learnt here and hopefully it will work.
                Although, I have to invest a fair amount for quality articles and tools. I hope it converts!

                I am still in process of building my "store" and putting the products up on "shelf". Next step is to place quality articles to attract my specific target market on that niche. Then I will be promoting my "store" through social media dragging readers of the "street" into my "store". Hopefully, if it grows I can automate this process and start on a new niche.

                Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                I thought this might be interesting to some, how we actually developed our ideas and Business Models that we use.

                I'v mentioned I started in IM in ebay, trying to sell ebooks. Wasn't very successful, I only made $408 for my whole first year. Like every one else I had big dreams of building my Business, but I had no clue really how to do it, didn't know anyone else involved with IM so I was jus buying an reading ebooks an searching on the web. I don't think WF was even going then, but if it was I didn't know about it.

                I used to like going into the MSN chat rooms, chatting up the Guys lol. One night I met John, we started talking an I found out he was from Australia an had been involved with IM Business's for 5 years. He was making a fulltime income from them, around US$75,000 a year which I viewed as a fortune then. I asked him if he would mentor me, but he said no. He said he didn't mind having a chat every now an then but he didn't have time to mentor me.

                Well, I'm not one to give up, every time we had a chat I would ask him, and he would say no, no, no. But I wore him down to where he eventually said yes.

                He started his mentoring by looking at what I was doing in ebay. I only had about 20 ebooks, most on Internet Marketing, a few recipe books and 3 on relationships, like how to get a girlfriend. I had never sold a copy of any of the relationship books, he decided to use those as my first lesson.

                He choose the how to get a girlfriend book as the first exercise.

                He said ok there are thousands of different books in ebay on thousands of different subjects. An thousands of people looking for books too, but how many might be looking for a book on how to get girlfriends, or even know one exists an listed in ebay?

                Next he said, but what if you stopped every young Guy you saw in the streets in London and asked them if they were looking for a girlfriend, an if they said yes, you then said, well go into that Hall (Building) and I'll come in an tell you how you can get a girlfriend.

                So now he said, well we have hundreds of Guys in there now who we know want to get a girlfriend. (a targeted audience) and you're the only girl in there, up on the stage in front of them, so you know their attention is going to be all on you and what your going to tell them. (a captive audience)

                So then he said, do you now think you could sell your ebook to some of them? My answer was yes, but how could I do that in real life?

                He said you build a Website, that's your Hall. And you attract single Guys to it. He also told me way back then that I needed to find other ebooks or products to sell on my website, to increase my chances of a sale from every visit to my site.

                So how we did it, it was like an Advice website for Guys, where they could ask me, being a girl, advice about other girls. I promoted in MySpace, I could target an attract Guys to my website in there. Now you can do that much better an easier with FaceBook.

                The idea was successful from the start, the first month I sold 36 of those how to get a girlfriend ebooks plus a few others. As my website grew (with more Guys coming to it) I was soon selling hundreds of ebooks a month.

                Along the way something really wonderful happened. I was 24 then, Sherri was 8, I had no family, my parents had kicked me out of home when I was only 16 for becoming pregnant with Sherri. Over time John an I became really close, an finally he adopted me as his Daughter, an Sherri as his Granddaughter.

                For those who have been following my posts, you will recognise that first model as now being the way we do Affiliate Marketing.

                In fact it is the base model that we use with all our Business's, it has allowed us to build a ten million dollar per year Business in only 9 years, an growing at a rate of around a million dollars a year. I hope others can use it to make dreams come true too.

                Lindy
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                • Profile picture of the author ibeardsley
                  Lindyuk you are my herion I think I love you.
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                  • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                    Originally Posted by ibeardsley View Post

                    Lindyuk you are my herion I think I love you.
                    Oh that's so nice. lol. Thank you ibeardsley!

                    Lindy
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                    • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
                      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                      Oh that's so nice. lol. Thank you ibeardsley!

                      Lindy
                      Me too. I think we're going to have to fight ibeardsley

                      Thanks for all the info you've shared Lindy.
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                      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                        Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

                        Me too. I think we're going to have to fight ibeardsley

                        Thanks for all the info you've shared Lindy.
                        LOL. But no fighting! Your very welcome.

                        Lindy
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

              Indeed Lindy.

              However, I had/have:

              a) already devised a strategy that seems to suit single items and letting Amazon deal with the rest

              b) not enough time on my hands to do exactly as you guys do

              Yet I still want to try your method, which is what I will do with site no2. But for now, I will be following Alexa/myob. I don't want or need $2m, tbh. I'm not prepared to put in the time. I want something I can spend less time on, my way, and make a supplementary income. For now. I quite enjoy my "job", if you can call it that
              Yes that's fine, I jus want to be like Richard Branson! lol Other than my Dad, he is the one I look up to an follow most, have actually met him and talked with him and he is so nice, not effected by his wealth at all. He jus loves developing ideas and his Business's jus keep growing because of that.

              We are the same I think, my Dad an I are mainly jus working on ideas, we most likely have ideas for another 20 Business's already lol. In fact John says he'll have to work till he's about a 100 the way we are going. lol

              But we love it, both the IM an working together. We actually work bout 16 hours a day each, but working together is not like work for us, it's more like extreme fun, an when we do have to leave it each day we both feel like we are missing out on something. Can't wait to get back to it.

              Can be dangerous work though. Every time we put up new ideas or projects on our whiteboards our staff say things bout killing us! lol

              Lindy
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    Yes, it is totally possible to make this kind of income with Amazon. Right now, I'm making over $1,000 per month from only one website. It's all in how you get people to your website and get them to Amazon as fast as you can. You really don't want them hanging around your website.
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  • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
    I've read the entire thread. Its almost like a blueprint to the millions haha. I've got a few amazon review sites that ive put a unique twist on, that are now working out for me. I've started building a list for one of them. But my most successful site is in a niche in which people buy the product, then probly won't need to re-buy for at least 1 year.

    Its a 5 billion dollar per year niche. Should I build a list anyways and promote things related to the niche? If I do that my list won't be that targeted anymore. I'm not sure what I should promote, or how to go about this...
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

      I've read the entire thread. Its almost like a blueprint to the millions haha. I've got a few amazon review sites that ive put a unique twist on, that are now working out for me. I've started building a list for one of them. But my most successful site is in a niche in which people buy the product, then probly won't need to re-buy for at least 1 year.

      Its a 5 billion dollar per year niche. Should I build a list anyways and promote things related to the niche? If I do that my list won't be that targeted anymore. I'm not sure what I should promote, or how to go about this...
      Hello webmonopoly,

      Bit hard to advise you not knowing the particular niche, an don't tell me, I don't want to know. lol

      You will have to relate my answer to your niche an see if its anywhere applicable.

      So say I was a travel agent selling Holidays/Vacations. that's a niche product that people only buy once a year. An competitive too, as a 5 Billion dollar niche would be.

      So I would certainly be wanting to keep my name in front of my previous customers, so when the year comes around again and their thinking of another Holiday/Vacation, their more inclined to be thinking of coming back to me to organise it, rather than be influenced by jus seeing some other travel agents ad or promotion at the time they start thinking bout their next Holiday/Vacation.

      So for the first part, I'd certainly be building my list an keeping in contact with them with my interesting publication/content.

      As far as promoting other things to them related to the niche, yes I think I could easily do that too.

      In fact we are always promoting other things to our lists that are not really related at all to the specific niche.

      I'v mentioned examples with Sherri's Music List, she's had ads for sunglass's an watch's and made thousands of dollars each time she's run those ads. Their not related in any way to her niche, but are they things that her music list customers might be interested in? Of course they are. In fact about half of the ads in each of her Newsletters would not be directly associated with her niche. But they are things her customers would certainly be buying elsewhere if she wasn't offering them herself. They are only promoted in the Newsletters, they are not featured on the Website which is niche specific.

      Likewise with one of our niche markets for young women mainly in their 20's to 30's. It's more aligned to womens interest, to sell things like perfumes, jewellery, clothes etc. But I can also promote some things for Guys in there. No Guys on my list at all but Girls still buy things for their boyfriends or husbands, so I can suggest an feature products that their Guys might love to receive.

      So jus put your thinking cap on, see if you can relate to any of that.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author BudaBrit
        Originally Posted by myob View Post

        It is not unreasonable to expect many times that number of subscribers in one day, with just a few articles targeting your readership audience. Within any given viable niche, there may be thousands, or perhaps even hundreds of thousands, of publications suitable for article syndication. And getting articles published in relevant niche ezines, newsletters, blogs, offline magazines, newspapers, etc can directly drive massive floods of traffic to your funnel system very quickly. Article syndication is the fastest way of building lists that I'm aware of. And as I've emphasized many times, it really does not take many articles at all to do so. The best course I have ever bought explains this very simple marketing system: Turn Words Into Traffic, by Jim and Dallas Edwards.



        With apologies, I don't think disclosing my websites will add anything significant to what I've already been teaching. My own employees are even bound by rather extensive non-disclosure contracts as well as confidentiality agreements. Besides, article syndication is a method of generating traffic, and systems for funneling streams of that traffic can vary widely. The funnel system and internal processing I do could be described as a "meat grinder", because we quickly dispose of inactive subscribers or non-buyers.

        My niche websites are typically content-rich and contain archived articles which have been syndicated over the years, required legal stuff, disclaimers, and links to niche-specific product presell pages. Each linked product page has an opt-in form for buyers to subscribe for product updates, reports, niche news, etc. Internal processing of my subscribers from article syndication traffic was previously discussed in this thread and dozens of others.
        This is the other thing I need.

        Is it possible to be more specific or give a link to some disclaimer examples?

        Thanks
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

          This is the other thing I need.

          Is it possible to be more specific or give a link to some disclaimer examples?

          Thanks
          Hello BudaBrit,

          You can easily build a Disclaimer and a Privacy Policy for your websites jus by entering a few details of your site, like site name, email address etc.

          Go to: PriorityDigital (.com) and then to Free Utilities. You will see links for Disclaimer Builder an Privacy Policy there.

          You can either copy html for the pages or save as text.

          All websites are really required to have these pages.

          Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            I jus want to show you all something, why myob an I keep saying not to rely on Google or Rankings.

            In last few days I'v had an email conversation with a WF Member, I'm not going to identify him but I want to show you something he told me:

            "Yeah, I had over 300 sites in the top 3 of Google when Penguin hit. But like many I woke one morning and poof they were at 1,000 in the serps"

            Can you imagine the time an effort, an the cost too that it would have taken him to build 300 sites and get them ranked in top 3 of Google. That would have been massive.

            Then to have ALL of his sites wiped out overnight. Not jus all his sites, but all his income too.

            That would be heartbreaking to say the least. I feel so much for him.

            He was a very experienced marketer too, he had previously built a multi million dollar company before changing to Affiliate Marketing. He showed me proof to verify those facts.

            I'm proud of him though, he hasn't given up, he's starting all over again but with something new.

            So don't let that happen to you, heed our warnings. Build your lists an market in different ways. Don't be jus relying on Google an Rankings. They are not to be relied on.

            Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author myob
          Originally Posted by BudaBrit View Post

          This is the other thing I need.

          Is it possible to be more specific or give a link to some disclaimer examples?

          Thanks
          Amazon has very specific requirements for disclaimers, privacy policy, and disclosures on their Operating Agreement, including compliance with all applicable laws, ordinances, rules, regulations, orders, licenses, permits, etc. In addition, there may be other requirements depending upon the products being promoted such as for health products (FDA), and product performance claims (FTC). If you are planning on doing any significant marketing with Amazon (or any affiliate program) you should consult professional legal counsel for protecting your assets.
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          • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
            Lindy, I just had to harp in here to express my appreciation for all the info you've shared here. I've been around this business nearly as long as you have, but not nearly as successfully, it would seem. You've made a very good argument for sidestepping the SEO rat race and concentrating on list building. I also like your approach of funneling into an affliate "superstore" and I'm absolutely going give that a try. I remember when the Amazon Astore system first became available and hearing that it was difficult to rank because you are essentially competing with the big site. Your method of only driving traffic from a cultivated newsletter list bypasses that issue and makes the whole thing work.

            I'm currently involved in WordPress development and marketing for local offliners, but your ideas are drawing me back toward affiliate stuff, which I had pretty much left behind. Thanks, again, for your time and the amazing info here.

            PS- I took your advice and compiled your (LindyUK) posts into what is currently a 42 page Word Doc. For newbies just coming in I can safely say you won't regret doing the same. I don't know of many $100 products you could buy that would give you more getting a start in IM.
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by Wade Watson View Post

              Lindy, I just had to harp in here to express my appreciation for all the info you've shared here. I've been around this business nearly as long as you have, but not nearly as successfully, it would seem. You've made a very good argument for sidestepping the SEO rat race and concentrating on list building. I also like your approach of funneling into an affliate "superstore" and I'm absolutely going give that a try. I remember when the Amazon Astore system first became available and hearing that it was difficult to rank because you are essentially competing with the big site. Your method of only driving traffic from a cultivated newsletter list bypasses that issue and makes the whole thing work.

              I'm currently involved in WordPress development and marketing for local offliners, but your ideas are drawing me back toward affiliate stuff, which I had pretty much left behind. Thanks, again, for your time and the amazing info here.

              PS- I took your advice and compiled your (LindyUK) posts into what is currently a 42 page Word Doc. For newbies just coming in I can safely say you won't regret doing the same. I don't know of many $100 products you could buy that would give you more getting a start in IM.
              Hello Wade,

              Thank you for your comments.

              I wrote 42 pages so far? Geez, an I was supposed to be working!

              Jus shows you how much Girls can talk. lol

              Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author rsmllc
            Originally Posted by myob View Post

            Amazon has very specific requirements for disclaimers, privacy policy, and disclosures on their Operating Agreement, including compliance with all applicable laws, ordinances, rules, regulations, orders, licenses, permits, etc. In addition, there may be other requirements depending upon the products being promoted such as for health products (FDA), and product performance claims (FTC). If you are planning on doing any significant marketing with Amazon (or any affiliate program) you should consult professional legal counsel for protecting your assets.
            I don't see any requirements for promoting health products (FDA) mentioned in the operating agreement.
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            • Profile picture of the author myob
              Originally Posted by rsmllc View Post

              I don't see any requirements for promoting health products (FDA) mentioned in the operating agreement.
              You will save yourself a lot of grief by paying more attention to Amazon's Operating Agreement, particularly how it applies to your business practices, marketing, promotions, and product performance claims:

              "13. Compliance with Laws
              In connection with your participation in the Program you will comply with all applicable laws, ordinances, rules, regulations, orders, licenses, permits, judgments, decisions, and other requirements of any governmental authority that has jurisdiction over you, including laws (federal, state, or otherwise) that govern marketing email (e.g., the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003)."
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      • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
        Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

        Hello webmonopoly,

        Bit hard to advise you not knowing the particular niche, an don't tell me, I don't want to know. lol

        You will have to relate my answer to your niche an see if its anywhere applicable.

        So say I was a travel agent selling Holidays/Vacations. that's a niche product that people only buy once a year. An competitive too, as a 5 Billion dollar niche would be.

        So I would certainly be wanting to keep my name in front of my previous customers, so when the year comes around again and their thinking of another Holiday/Vacation, their more inclined to be thinking of coming back to me to organise it, rather than be influenced by jus seeing some other travel agents ad or promotion at the time they start thinking bout their next Holiday/Vacation.

        So for the first part, I'd certainly be building my list an keeping in contact with them with my interesting publication/content.

        As far as promoting other things to them related to the niche, yes I think I could easily do that too.

        In fact we are always promoting other things to our lists that are not really related at all to the specific niche.

        I'v mentioned examples with Sherri's Music List, she's had ads for sunglass's an watch's and made thousands of dollars each time she's run those ads. Their not related in any way to her niche, but are they things that her music list customers might be interested in? Of course they are. In fact about half of the ads in each of her Newsletters would not be directly associated with her niche. But they are things her customers would certainly be buying elsewhere if she wasn't offering them herself. They are only promoted in the Newsletters, they are not featured on the Website which is niche specific.

        Likewise with one of our niche markets for young women mainly in their 20's to 30's. It's more aligned to womens interest, to sell things like perfumes, jewellery, clothes etc. But I can also promote some things for Guys in there. No Guys on my list at all but Girls still buy things for their boyfriends or husbands, so I can suggest an feature products that their Guys might love to receive.

        So jus put your thinking cap on, see if you can relate to any of that.

        Lindy
        Thanks for your response Lindy. Thinking cap is now on!
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  • Profile picture of the author Ricardo Furtado
    Getting 5% sales from Amazon? Struggling to rank your sites on Google to get that lousy 5%. I do not think it's worth it. I'd rather put in my time and efforts in selling other more lucrative things. Just my two bits. Regards
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    • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
      Originally Posted by Ricardo Furtado View Post

      Getting 5% sales from Amazon? Struggling to rank your sites on Google to get that lousy 5%. I do not think it's worth it. I'd rather put in my time and efforts in selling other more lucrative things. Just my two bits. Regards
      :confused:

      than what good affiliate stuffs can recommend to fellow warriors here
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      • Profile picture of the author StoneTownFM
        Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

        :confused:

        than what good affiliate stuffs can recommend to fellow warriors here
        Amazon Affiliate works well. You just have to
        • Pick the products that you know you can rank first page in Google
        • Write a thorough review that answers to visitors' questions
        • Sprinkle in the affiliate links with lucrative (yet non-deceiving) texts
        Once you do that every day for a month or two, you'll guaranteed to get traffic. And that's quality traffic from Google. Some of them will buy the product you reviewed for sure.

        Once you get the basics down, it's just a matter of driving as much quality traffic to your site as you can. Sure it takes work but I believe it can be outsourced later (although no one will care as much about your site as you).
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        • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
          Originally Posted by StoneTownFM View Post

          Amazon Affiliate works well. You just have to
          • Pick the products that you know you can rank first page in Google
          • Write a thorough review that answers to visitors' questions
          • Sprinkle in the affiliate links with lucrative (yet non-deceiving) texts
          Once you do that every day for a month or two, you'll guaranteed to get traffic. And that's quality traffic from Google. Some of them will buy the product you reviewed for sure.

          Once you get the basics down, it's just a matter of driving as much quality traffic to your site as you can. Sure it takes work but I believe it can be outsourced later (although no one will care as much about your site as you).
          outsourced ..you mean pay others to maintain your site?
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          • Profile picture of the author StoneTownFM
            Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

            outsourced ..you mean pay others to maintain your site?
            Yeah. You pay somebody to write reviews to your site. That of course means expenses for you. Furthermore, you need to know exactly what kind of reviews/articles you want. As in, what sells and what doesn't. That's why you'd better write reviews first yourself, learn it well and once you've learned the basics and generated income you can outsource the reviews. You can of course do it right from the beginning, but the risk of getting poor reviews and/or not knowing what actually sells is high.

            Btw LindyUK your posts are amazing. You clearly have lots more advanced ways of making money than mere review sites that I'm recommending But one must start somewhere... I'm starting to do well with Amazon review sites, but from your posts I can see what happens when you take it to the next level (= greatest success).
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Jus thought I would talk bout another part of our model, building up our relationship with our List Subscribers. And perhaps relevant to getting them to subscribe with us in the first place.

        This came to mind in a conversation with my Dad last Saturday. Every morning when I get up first thing is to race downstairs for a cup of wake up coffee, second thing is back upstairs to the office suite for a quick chat to my Dad in our conference room, jus planning out our day. (He still lives in Australia).

        Now we are very informal around here, all girls on the staff here so ones still finishing the night shift are used to seeing me checking in still in my nightie or PJ's. Jus to paint you a picture of what some big Business CEO's come to work in, I was wearing my moo cow pajamas, pink pajamas with grey moo cows all over them, and moo cow slippers with big floppy ears, both presents from Sherri. Jus typical attire for a high powered CEO. lol.

        Anyway, my Dad said he would like to have a look at the WF an my posts in this thread, likely wanting to check up on me, see what secrets I was giving away, lol. I gave him the links then went to get ready for the day, Sherri an I were going out to spend time with our horses.

        In the afternoon, talking with him again he said he had read through the thread an my posts. He mentioned a specific post, a recent one where I talked about how we came up with the idea for our Business Model. He said, but why did you tell everyone bout getting preggers at 16 an him adopting me when I was 24?

        Umm, because its part of our story, how we met an how we have come to build our Business's. Thought I was maybe in trouble but I wasn't.

        He said yes, but it was also because of a lesson he gave me right back when we were planning out my first website, how to attract Guys from MySpace to come to my website, an how to keep them coming back.

        I had actually forgotten the specific lesson but I had always done what he had taught me. He had said:

        Write TO them don't Write AT them.

        Now while he was looking through some other WF threads he had found a thread about this exact same idea. It was a thread called: Stop Building Your Email Lists. Now., by ScottStuart, another Aussie Internet Marketer. It attracted his attention because the name of the thread seemed to be giving wrong advice, but it was misleading. Here's an extract from what Scott says:

        "Well, what about when you send an email to your friends? You EXPECT 100% of them to not only open it, but to engage with it and reply to you.

        "Well, they are my friends..." Yeah, exactly. So they have an interest in what you say.

        So let me expand your mind for a second here. What if everyone on your email list was as interested in what you had to say as your friends are?

        Do your friends care what your email subject line is? Hell no. They see the email is from you so they read it.

        Why are friends your friends? For a start, maybe because there is mutual interest in each others lives. Maybe because you are someone they can be themselves around and you can be yourself around. Maybe because the two of you are genuinely connected, rather than just "in touch".

        Now that is all so true an it's really how we have worked for years, we build fairly personal relationships with our Sunscribers, they don't see us as being faceless companies jus out to sell them something. Over the years they have got to know me as a real live girl, they have seen my photos, they have shared some of my life in the personal stories I have told in the newletters.

        A good example was one I gave that Sherri used in her Music Newsletter. The one where she had made a video of me trying to learn to play the Jimi Hendrix lead guitar in All Along The Watch Tower, an me stuffing up time after time an saying more than a few naughty words that were not in his original song. lol. She actually got hundreds of comments back on that video and thousands of views, I think about 75% of her list has viewed that video now. That's outstanding customer/subscriber inter-reaction. But why did so many take their time to email us their reactions to the video? Because they feel that personal relationship with us an they could relate to me. Some thought it was jus sooo funny so they wanted to tease me bout it, some wanted to give me advice, like I needed more fingers! lol, or support, but whatever, that's not the typical customer reaction, it's more a typical reaction you would expect from friends.

        Now obviously some niches may be a bit harder than others to get really personal with your subscribers, our niche's are ones that we have personal interest ourselves so it has been easier to do so. But I think it would jus take a bit of creative thinking to come up with some angles for other niche's. Even the idea that your subscribers could help you out by contributing content.

        The main point here is the relationship that you develop is more like a person to person relationship with your Subscribers, not a distanced Business relationship. It's more like dealing with friends or someone you know. Even with our largest list which is way over 100,000 we have been able to establish this same sort of personal relationship.

        Our subscribers stay with us for year after year, hardly any leave us. Do you up an leave your friends?

        Do you like hearing from your friends, listening to or reading their stories, being involved in their lives? yes.

        So we take that approach with our customers an subscribers too. They want to hear from us an read what we have to say. We don't do it in a boring way like some Newsletters do, like a longer version of the instructions for operating an electric can opener an knife sharpener! But some Newsletters are like that, I'm not kidding.

        Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
    I disagree with those who say that building lists is essential to making money with the Amazon Associates program. I only started building websites with Amazon in mind in May this year, though I've built websites in the past and before that so I'm not completely new.

    Some screenshots of my earnings (which I know to many here are nothing special, but to some they definitely will be), showing how they progressed from may up until now:

    May 2013: View image: May
    June 2013: View image: June
    July 2013: View image: July
    August 2013: View image: August
    September 2013: View image: September
    October 2013: View image: October
    November 2013: View image: November

    This is coming from 4 websites, each in a completely different niche (nothing to do with "making money online," they are all hobby-related). Not a single dollar from the above was acquired as a result of list building (which I'm sure works great too and is a more viable long-term strategy than what I'm doing, but it isn't necessary).

    Some tips that I can offer include:

    1. Try to validate the niche before you go in. See if there are many forums online related to that niche with lots of posts and enthusiasts surrounding the subject. If that's available, chances are a lot of people will be buying your items online.

    2. Don't rely on Amazon's banners / widgets and focus on text links instead. A widget / banner might drive you some traffic and sales, but it will make your website and page look disgusting if not used properly, which will outweigh the potential benefits.

    3. Think of your website as a whole, not just as a collection of a bunch of articles that people are reaching. Anticipate what your readers might need and provide them with help. For instance if you are doing a review of Blue Widget X1 and someone reaches that review:

    a) what if Blue Widget X1 turns out to be not quite what they were looking for - are you offering them links to reviews of very similar Blue Widgets?
    b) What if Blue Widget X1 is great but too expensive for them - are you offering them links to reviews of cheaper alternatives?
    c) What if using Blue Widget X1 requires some set up or tuning - are you providing your readers on the spot with information on how to do it, or will your review leave them confused on how to use the product and will force them to go to another website in search of more information before they actually purchase?

    So overall think of your website as a single entity, not just a garage that houses a bunch of articles. Ideally you want your website to become a sort of go-to "search engine" for those who need information on products in your particular niche. And yes, that also means having many articles which do not directly convert into Amazon sales, but which increase the satisfaction of your readers.

    And most important of all: don't use any "shortcuts" as far as acquiring traffic is concerned. Whether you go for article syndication, search engine traffic, paid traffic or whatever else, you'll have to put in the work and time if you want dependable results that won't disappear after a month or two. I worked for approximately 70 hours a week on my sites to get the results in the screenshots above, so I was able to do it faster than most people. It's actually quite easy, but takes work.
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    • Profile picture of the author StoneTownFM
      Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

      I disagree with those who say that building lists is essential to making money with the Amazon Associates program. I only started building websites with Amazon in mind in May this year, though I've built websites in the past and before that so I'm not completely new.

      Some screenshots of my earnings (which I know to many here are nothing special, but to some they definitely will be), showing how they progressed from may up until now:

      May 2013: View image: May
      June 2013: View image: June
      July 2013: View image: July
      August 2013: View image: August
      September 2013: View image: September
      October 2013: View image: October
      November 2013: View image: November

      This is coming from 4 websites, each in a completely different niche (nothing to do with "making money online," they are all hobby-related). Not a single dollar from the above was acquired as a result of list building (which I'm sure works great too and is a more viable long-term strategy than what I'm doing, but it isn't necessary).

      Some tips that I can offer include:

      1. Try to validate the niche before you go in. See if there are many forums online related to that niche with lots of posts and enthusiasts surrounding the subject. If that's available, chances are a lot of people will be buying your items online.

      2. Don't rely on Amazon's banners / widgets and focus on text links instead. A widget / banner might drive you some traffic and sales, but it will make your website and page look disgusting if not used properly, which will outweigh the potential benefits.

      3. Think of your website as a whole, not just as a collection of a bunch of articles that people are reaching. Anticipate what your readers might need and provide them with help. For instance if you are doing a review of Blue Widget X1 and someone reaches that review:

      a) what if Blue Widget X1 turns out to be not quite what they were looking for - are you offering them links to reviews of very similar Blue Widgets?
      b) What if Blue Widget X1 is great but too expensive for them - are you offering them links to reviews of cheaper alternatives?
      c) What if using Blue Widget X1 requires some set up or tuning - are you providing your readers on the spot with information on how to do it, or will your review leave them confused on how to use the product and will force them to go to another website in search of more information before they actually purchase?

      So overall think of your website as a single entity, not just a garage that houses a bunch of articles. Ideally you want your website to become a sort of go-to "search engine" for those who need information on products in your particular niche. And yes, that also means having many articles which do not directly convert into Amazon sales, but which increase the satisfaction of your readers.

      And most important of all: don't use any "shortcuts" as far as acquiring traffic is concerned. Whether you go for article syndication, search engine traffic, paid traffic or whatever else, you'll have to put in the work and time if you want dependable results that won't disappear after a month or two. I worked for approximately 70 hours a week on my sites to get the results in the screenshots above, so I was able to do it faster than most people. It's actually quite easy, but takes work.
      Very nice progress! I'm doing quite similar stuff and for sure it's easy, but indeed takes good old-fashioned work May I ask, how much visitors you have? Or better, how much affiliate earnings you make per 1000 uniques? I'm currently making around $80 dollars per every 1000 uniques. I've found it hard to increase earnings/visitor ratio, so I've concluded that getting more traffic is the way to go here (and it, of course, works).
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      • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
        I'd say around $120 per 1000 visitors, so quite close to what you are experiencing. Keep in mind that I'm promoting products in the $100-$350 price range (depending on the site).
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Hello syncmaster an StoneTownFM,

          Now I havn't said list building is the only way to do Affiliate Marketing, there are a number of ways and we have likely tried them all, including Review Sites a few years ago when they first become popular.

          Your results are very good syncmaster, but you have put a lot of work into your sites as you have said, an you have to continue to put work into them.

          Now a few days ago I made a post including part of an email conversation with another WF Member, who had ranked 300 Review Sites in first positions in Google. Then he woke up one morning an not a single site to be found anywhere, not on page 1, page10 or even page 50. All his work an income completely wiped out.

          So my message is two fold, first how hard it is to rank unless you can find a niche that is not saturated, an even then you need the experience an a lot of work to rank in top 3 of Google. Second is that you are at the mercy of Google an their changes. You could put in all that hard work for a year an be wiped out in a night.

          There's also the scenario that someone more experienced or with more money to spend can jus come an take your ranking too. Big Marketers are working on ROI, if they have to spend $10K but make another $10K profit, that's 100% ROI, a great result.

          But if your building niche Lists an marketing to them, Google nor anyone else can wipe you out or take your Business.

          We have been there, done that, when anyone talks bout the normal ways of Affiliate Marketing.

          I also will comment on your figures. So you are both making somewhere from $80 to $120 per 1000 visitors. That's 8cents to 12cents average per visitor. But then you have to find more visitors to replace them. With Lists we are not having to be constantly trying to get more traffic, our Lists produce regular income month after month, we can spend our time jus building on our lists, not having to replace them every month.

          With our lists we are averaging around $1.20 per List Member per Month. It is an accepted industry standard that each List Member should be worth $1 per month to you.

          I still think that List Building is the BEST way to go, maybe not the only way but the BEST way.

          Another factor when considering my advice is that we have 15 years of full time experience in Affiliate Marketing. My Dad was doing it full time for 5 years before we met up, an it's been part of our Business for the last ten years. For the first 4 years or so it was the main part of our Business.

          Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
            Hello Lindy,

            1. My post (the part about list building) was not directed at you; in fact I hadn't yet read a single post of yours when I posted my comment.

            2."but you have put a lot of work into your sites as you have said, an you have to continue to put work into them." I put in around 2 hours a week into each of those four sites right now. I do work a lot, but it's on other websites (the income of which is not included in the screenshots above as they are not Amazon-related).

            3. "conversation with another WF Member, who had ranked 300 Review Sites in first positions in Google. Then he woke up one morning an not a single site to be found anywhere, not on page 1, page10 or even page 50." In most cases people who have trouble are the ones who post about it, while the ones who are doing well don't post at all. So while it might seem like the whole world is suffering and hating at Google right now, in reality the vast majority of website owners are happy and experiencing great rankings (assuming they don't spam and get natural links only).

            4. "There's also the scenario that someone more experienced or with more money to spend can jus come an take your ranking too." Can happen, yes. Still though I'm ranking for thousands of keywords so I'm not particularly worried about it.

            5. But if your building niche Lists an marketing to them, Google nor anyone else can wipe you out or take your Business. I agree.

            6. I still think that List Building is the BEST way to go, maybe not the only way but the BEST way. I agree as well.
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

              Hello Lindy,

              1. My post (the part about list building) was not directed at you; in fact I hadn't yet read a single post of yours when I posted my comment.

              2."but you have put a lot of work into your sites as you have said, an you have to continue to put work into them." I put in around 2 hours a week into each of those four sites right now. I do work a lot, but it's on other websites (the income of which is not included in the screenshots above as they are not Amazon-related).

              3. "conversation with another WF Member, who had ranked 300 Review Sites in first positions in Google. Then he woke up one morning an not a single site to be found anywhere, not on page 1, page10 or even page 50." In most cases people who have trouble are the ones who post about it, while the ones who are doing well don't post at all. So while it might seem like the whole world is suffering and hating at Google right now, in reality the vast majority of website owners are happy and experiencing great rankings (assuming they don't spam and get natural links only).

              4. "There's also the scenario that someone more experienced or with more money to spend can jus come an take your ranking too." Can happen, yes. Still though I'm ranking for thousands of keywords so I'm not particularly worried about it.

              5. But if your building niche Lists an marketing to them, Google nor anyone else can wipe you out or take your Business. I agree.

              6. I still think that List Building is the BEST way to go, maybe not the only way but the BEST way. I agree as well.
              Hello syncmaster,

              I wasn't taking exception regarding if your post was directed at me or not, I was jus making comment. My comments are mainly directed to people who are new to IM an Affiliate Marketing, in relation to this thread.

              If you are ranking thousands of keywords you must be very experienced, because I think most people new to this would be very lucky to get high ranking for even 1 let alone a few. Certainly not for any of the main keywords, an any ranking under 5 on the first page is pretty hopeless. For more obscure keywords, long tail keywords, if you can find them you can certainly get ranking, but your suffering on the volume of traffic. An you will suffer further if someone with more experience comes along an finds your niche, or with Google's continuing changes.

              RE: 3. "conversation with another WF Member, who had ranked 300 Review Sites in first positions in Google. Then he woke up one morning an not a single site to be found anywhere, not on page 1, page10 or even page 50." In most cases people who have trouble are the ones who post about it, while the ones who are doing well don't post at all. So while it might seem like the whole world is suffering and hating at Google right now, in reality the vast majority of website owners are happy and experiencing great rankings (assuming they don't spam and get natural links only).

              He didn't post about this, it was from a private conversation between us. He had mainly 1st position rankings, an is a very experienced Marketer who had build a 1.5 million dollar Business.

              I'm sorry but I disagree with this too:

              " in reality the vast majority of website owners are happy and experiencing great rankings"

              The real fact is that the majority of websites owners are making nothing or next to nothing from their websites. With the tens of millions of websites devoted to Internet Marketing an the limited number of keywords available to any niche, how can the majority be experiencing great rankings?

              Again a fact, the majority of people entering IM start with Affiliate Marketing, an it is established fact that at least 95% of people fail. I'v never seen any published Amazon figures but I would be willing to bet that the majority of Amazon Affiliates are in the same boat, making very little in commissions.

              Now I grant their are many reasons that people do fail, a lot fall for the hype of quick fortunes without much work, a lot give up without giving themselves a fair chance. We model our thinking on the real world, we tell people they are starting in Internet Marketing Kindergarten an have to graduate Internet Marketing University before they are going to be really successful.

              Again I'm not saying you can't make money from the Review Model, I'm more saying it is a hard road compared to our present list building model.

              We in fact had huge success using the Review Model, we were in it from the start when it first became popular years ago, at our peak when we were only doing Affiliate Marketing our Affiliate commissions were well over 3 million dollars a year. We are not as big in Affiliate Marketing now but still involved with it in a smaller number of niche markets, an still averaging over 2 million dollars a year in commissions. That's still more than $40,000 a week so I think it's fair to say we are well experienced. We now only do Affiliate Marketing via our niche lists, so I am showing others the power of Affiliate Marketing by doing things in a different way. However they choose is up to them, but I really do think, an from experience, that this is a much easier an better way.

              Lindy
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              • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
                Hi again Lindy,

                "If you are ranking thousands of keywords you must be very experienced, because I think most people new to this would be very lucky to get high ranking for even 1 let alone a few. "

                I should have been more clear here. What I meant is that the majority of my traffic is coming from long tail keywords (thousands), which no one can really outrank me on directly because each of them separately generates too little traffic to be worth the effort, but combined they bring in a lot of traffic. So what I meant to say is that I am not relying on any one (or few, or even few dozen) keywords; even if some deep-pocketed SEO was to outrank my on my "main" keywords, I'd most likely hardly notice it as far as income is concerned.

                "The real fact is that the majority of websites owners are making nothing or next to nothing from their websites. With the tens of millions of websites devoted to Internet Marketing an the limited number of keywords available to any niche, how can the majority be experiencing great rankings? "

                Here again I should have been more clear. When I was talking about the "majority," I meant to say "the majority of people who are actively trying to rank their websites and know what they are doing." Most people who have lost their rankings would make you believe (not intentionally, it's just the impression you get as a result of their frustration) that unless you are Amazon, eBay, Tripadvisor or WebMD, then you are not going to rank, while in fact there are millions of websites ranking and making money. And that's what I was getting at: search engine traffic is alive and kicking (and in fact is better than ever for my particular niches), and the few thousand people who say otherwise online are still nothing more than a drop in an ocean of websites; it's just a mistake to assume that they represent the "majority" (of SEO's).

                "I'v never seen any published Amazon figures but I would be willing to bet that the majority of Amazon Affiliates are in the same boat, making very little in commissions."

                Of course, as with everything else in life, even the stuff that isn't in any way or form related to money or business - most people fail at what they attempt.

                "However they choose is up to them, but I really do think, an from experience, that this is a much easier an better way."


                Of course it's up to them. I am getting the feeling that you are being defensive, but it was never my intention to make you feel that way. I was just showing people that you don't necessarily need to have a list to make money with Amazon Associates (the subject of this thread after all). There's no insinuation or deeper meaning to what I'm saying whatsoever, and it wasn't my intention to get into a discussion over which method is better.

                By the way, what is your source of traffic for the email lists? Paid clicks?
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                • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
                  I'm beginning to feel like I'm taking lessons at the feet of the Zen masters in this thread. Syncmaster913n, both you and Lindy are extremely successful affiliate marketers and demonstrating two different, but valid approaches, for sure. Spending 8 hours a week on 4 affiliate sites, turning nearly six figures/month and that's not even your main gig. I bow to you.

                  Since you're still around, I'd love to ask you both a question or two.

                  Syncmaster913n, what would you say is the main reason for your fairly amazing 6 month income ascent? I'm guessing your choice of hobby-related niches must have helped. Are they super hot techy things or what (generally speaking)? You must have spent a lot of time setting these sites up, initially, at least. How many entries would you say they have at this point?

                  And for Lindy, you say produce the newsletter "magazines" mostly on a weekly or 2 week basis. You've mentioned that they run from around 4 to over 20 pages. This must be comparable to production of a real magazine. Do you use a staff of writers and designers? Or do you buy PLR material, use syndicated articles or that sort of thing? Doing a quality PDF newsletter like take a good bit of time/effort.

                  Thanks again for all the meaty posts, guys.
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    • Profile picture of the author Lares
      Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

      I disagree with those who say that building lists is essential to making money with the Amazon Associates program. I only started building websites with Amazon in mind in May this year, though I've built websites in the past and before that so I'm not completely new.

      Some screenshots of my earnings (which I know to many here are nothing special, but to some they definitely will be), showing how they progressed from may up until now:

      May 2013: View image: May
      June 2013: View image: June
      July 2013: View image: July
      August 2013: View image: August
      September 2013: View image: September
      October 2013: View image: October
      November 2013: View image: November

      This is coming from 4 websites, each in a completely different niche (nothing to do with "making money online," they are all hobby-related). Not a single dollar from the above was acquired as a result of list building (which I'm sure works great too and is a more viable long-term strategy than what I'm doing, but it isn't necessary).

      Some tips that I can offer include:

      1. Try to validate the niche before you go in. See if there are many forums online related to that niche with lots of posts and enthusiasts surrounding the subject. If that's available, chances are a lot of people will be buying your items online.

      2. Don't rely on Amazon's banners / widgets and focus on text links instead. A widget / banner might drive you some traffic and sales, but it will make your website and page look disgusting if not used properly, which will outweigh the potential benefits.

      3. Think of your website as a whole, not just as a collection of a bunch of articles that people are reaching. Anticipate what your readers might need and provide them with help. For instance if you are doing a review of Blue Widget X1 and someone reaches that review:

      a) what if Blue Widget X1 turns out to be not quite what they were looking for - are you offering them links to reviews of very similar Blue Widgets?
      b) What if Blue Widget X1 is great but too expensive for them - are you offering them links to reviews of cheaper alternatives?
      c) What if using Blue Widget X1 requires some set up or tuning - are you providing your readers on the spot with information on how to do it, or will your review leave them confused on how to use the product and will force them to go to another website in search of more information before they actually purchase?

      So overall think of your website as a single entity, not just a garage that houses a bunch of articles. Ideally you want your website to become a sort of go-to "search engine" for those who need information on products in your particular niche. And yes, that also means having many articles which do not directly convert into Amazon sales, but which increase the satisfaction of your readers.

      And most important of all: don't use any "shortcuts" as far as acquiring traffic is concerned. Whether you go for article syndication, search engine traffic, paid traffic or whatever else, you'll have to put in the work and time if you want dependable results that won't disappear after a month or two. I worked for approximately 70 hours a week on my sites to get the results in the screenshots above, so I was able to do it faster than most people. It's actually quite easy, but takes work.
      Wau. Thats very impressive and motivating. I did similar in 2011 with amazon. My 1st sale ever in March 2011 and in December i made about $5.500. After that i was making constantly about 4.500 dollars per month until penguin crashed me. Averaging about 2.000 per month since then.

      Do you mind sharing what kind of SEO you do for your websites and how many pages/posts do you have on website?
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      • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
        Originally Posted by Lares View Post

        Wau. Thats very impressive and motivating. I did similar in 2011 with amazon. My 1st sale ever in March 2011 and in December i made about $5.500. After that i was making constantly about 4.500 dollars per month until penguin crashed me. Averaging about 2.000 per month since then.

        Do you mind sharing what kind of SEO you do for your websites and how many pages/posts do you have on website?
        I do a minimum of off-site SEO. Most of my SEO work is done before the site launch as I choose really low-competition niches. Then I make the absolute best website on the subject that I can, and get a few good links by reaching out to other established websites in the industry. Once I get a few links from them and I start to rank, my websites start getting links naturally (from the visitors who find the site and like it) so I no longer need to actively engage in SEO (other than making sure my onsite stuff is top notch, ie no duplicate content, noindexing articles and pages that should not be visible in search engines [navigational pages mostly], LOTS of internal linking, adequately descriptive meta titles and sub-headers within the articles, etc.).

        As for the number of pages, I do not employ the "micro niche site" approach if that is what you mean. I never build a website around just one single keyword. One of my criteria for choosing a niche for an Amazon-affiliation-based website is that even before I start the site, I need to be able to easily come up with ideas for at least 100 useful articles; if I can't imagine adding that many articles to a site, then I won't even attempt it. So in other words, I'm not trying to build sites with EMD's that target something like "Best Blue Wigets For Women Under 40 Who Have 3 Or More Kids." I build larger sites covering a wider topic (though still a targeted niche), and then target the more obscure / low-competition keywords through the many articles I post on the site.
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  • Profile picture of the author jwmann2
    It's very possible. Amazon is a very trusted brand and are generating a lot of attention this week with their "Drone Deliveries". Look for their stock to continue to rise as a brand. What you convert is all about traffic. Alot of these folks that make big time incomes from affiliate sales have been in this game for a long time and provide meaningful content to their readers and as a result, get A LOT of readers. Monetize your site but also continue to give the reader something meaningful. Make sure the products you're offering are all on topic with the subject of discussion, not just what may generate the highest profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author sidee
      So many posts in this thread make my head spin.

      First off, it's not hard to make $1,000 a month at Amazon. But it's hard for many here to do so. Why? Because Warriors are often noobs with terrible English skills. Their marketing is try-hard, copy-and-paste, and an eyesore to to look at. I see many of these types try to be successful in my niche. It looks so amateurish and reeks of "give me money now!" It's no wonder IMers are often seen as the bottom of the barrel who would sell their grandmother to make a nickel.

      So, for normal people with reasonable intelligence, critical thinking skills, and the ability to communicate like a human being, it's not "hard" to make $1k a month with Amazon.

      But let's be real here. Any customers you get or subscribers to your list are not just going to buy endlessly. There is only a finite number of products that appeal greatly to them. So, out of let's say 100 possible products that you can promote to them, only 5 products might be worthwhile to promote because your subscribers barely buy any of the other 95 products.

      Ok, so you spend time and money building your list. You promote those 5 products in 5 separate emails. They buy. You get commission. Now what? Well you can promote the same products again. But now they'll buy less. And next time even less. So your awesome Amazon commissions from Month 1 are not duplicated in Month 2 and 3. You made $1k in Month 1 but only $250 in Month 2.

      So now what do you do? Well you can try to build your list some more. But guess what? The easy subscribers - the low hanging fruit - are gone because you got them the first time around. So now it costs even more money (ads) and time to get them - and they're likely not as hungry of buyers as the first subscribers.

      So now you think, "well I'll try a new niche." That's fine. And so you repeat the process over.

      What ends up happening though is that you have all these niches now and you're running around trying to find products they want to buy.

      But you have to learn each new niche and that's not easy. So if your first niche was plumbers and your second was photographers and your third is crossfit buffs, then you're spreading yourself thin trying to learn these niches and you're not going to be trusted much probably by your list because you'll come across as a bit amateur since you don't really know the new niches that well to be considered an authority. And you'll promote products that are ho-hum that will leave your subscribers underwhelmed and they won't buy.

      Add to that all the competition out there, the decreasing impact of email marketing, social media oversaturation, the virtualy impossibility in ranking high on Google for any product unless your website is Amazon, Best Buy, a major forum, etc, and the frugal nature of people online (good luck selling products priced over $30 at a high volume) and you'll see that affiliate marketing isn't some awesome pot of gold for most.

      Also, another wrong thing mentioned in this thread is that products need to be priced high. Nonsense. You can make good money with volume, especially since you get credit for other products purchased at the store. Once your traffic gets big - mine is a little over 100,000 - then $20 items start to add up.

      That said, I use other sites too that offer higher commission but they don't offer the variety of products to make up for ditching Amazon.
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  • Profile picture of the author goindeep
    Yes they do.

    But most will fail, it's like with anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Hello syncmaster

      No I'm not being defensive, sorry if I sound that way. I do appreciate the fact that you are also willing to share with others.

      I realised you would be using long tailed keywords if you were ranking thousands of keywords. I made this comment - For more obscure keywords, long tail keywords, if you can find them you can certainly get ranking, but your suffering on the volume of traffic.

      But your first post didn't make that clear, so those with little experience could think well it must be easy if he's ranking thousands of keywords. You might consider telling people the software you use for your keyword research on the long tail keywords.

      We are not hating Google, we employ SEO staff an use Google to rank websites that we build for our Business Clients. Jus know from experience it's a darn sight easier to not be relying on them for affiliate marketing.

      Our main method now for traffic generation to build our lists is via FaceBook. I have detailed this in other posts but we are using a software called LeadFreak that allows us to "raid" other FB Groups involved in the same niche. It extracts all the Member ID's from those Groups, then allows us to have FB only target those Members with our FB Ads. So yes, paid clicks but highly targeted to the niche interest.

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author sidee
        Does Lead Freak look through closed groups as well? How about fan pages?

        Groups are ok but honestly there's not that many people who are part of groups. I did a quick search in my niches and it looks like mayyyybe 10k people in the groups combined. That's not a very big group to target given the CTR for FB ads.
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        • Profile picture of the author sidee
          Got the answer about Pages. It only pulls IDs of people who participated on the page. So for example, in a tutorial I was watching, the software only pulled 42 IDs from a page with over 11,000 likes.

          Meh

          Edit: Got the answer on the Closed Groups question. It only searches Open Groups. No thanks. So many members are spammers on those anyway looking to sell to the group. Without Pages and Closed Groups, the software is close to worthless to me.
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by sidee View Post

            Got the answer about Pages. It only pulls IDs of people who participated on the page. So for example, in a tutorial I was watching, the software only pulled 42 IDs from a page with over 11,000 likes.

            Meh

            Edit: Got the answer on the Closed Groups question. It only searches Open Groups. No thanks. So many members are spammers on those anyway looking to sell to the group. Without Pages and Closed Groups, the software is close to worthless to me.
            Hello sidee,

            You are either not understanding how SLF works or you are in some very obscure niche's.

            It is like having your own goldmine for leads, we would have gladly paid $1000 for this software it is jus so powerful.

            When we first bought this software we ran it on some very competitive niche's, ones that we would even have trouble ranking in if we were working that way. It was able to extract tens of thousands of ID's within bout 30 minutes or so. Prime for the killing if we went into those niche's as our ways leapfrog us ahead of anyone jus setting up Review Site mousetraps an hoping for some mice to come along. (That's my Dad's analogy, he talks bout setting up mousetraps or spiderwebs. lol) But it's proactive marketing, going after your target market rather than waiting for your target market to come to you. If they can even find you.

            In our niche markets we can add hundreds to thousands of leads every time we run it. We also use it for offline business's to develop leads to market too. I would really say it's one of the most valuable pieces of software we have ever bought.

            Can also search Google + though we havn't tried that yet.

            I suggest you have another look at it, or perhaps think of bigger niche markets you could go after by using it.

            Lindy
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            • Profile picture of the author sidee
              Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

              Hello sidee,

              You are either not understanding how SLF works or you are in some very obscure niche's.

              It is like having your own goldmine for leads, we would have gladly paid $1000 for this software it is jus so powerful.

              When we first bought this software we ran it on some very competitive niche's, ones that we would even have trouble ranking in if we were working that way. It was able to extract tens of thousands of ID's within bout 30 minutes or so. Prime for the killing if we went into those niche's as our ways leapfrog us ahead of anyone jus setting up Review Site mousetraps an hoping for some mice to come along. (That's my Dad's analogy, he talks bout setting up mousetraps or spiderwebs. lol) But it's proactive marketing, going after your target market rather than waiting for your target market to come to you. If they can even find you.

              In our niche markets we can add hundreds to thousands of leads every time we run it. We also use it for offline business's to develop leads to market too. I would really say it's one of the most valuable pieces of software we have ever bought.

              Can also search Google + though we havn't tried that yet.

              I suggest you have another look at it, or perhaps think of bigger niche markets you could go after by using it.

              Lindy
              Nah the software sucks. Open groups only (which are full of spammers who are worthless as leads). Pages but only those who post on pages, which is a tiny number of people so it's worthless.
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              • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                Originally Posted by sidee View Post

                Nah the software sucks. Open groups only (which are full of spammers who are worthless as leads). Pages but only those who post on pages, which is a tiny number of people so it's worthless.
                Hello sidee,

                My comment might be a bit pointed, but it's quite amazing to me to find someone who is not even using the software who knows more about it than someone who is!!!

                Think I know a bit more about it then you. Actually a LOT more about it then you.

                It is the main software we use now for generating our leads for our Affiliate Marketing lists, an also used in some of our other Business's for lead generation.

                Considering that our combined turnover for our Business's is around ten million dollars a year an we can afford any software going. I think I'm giving it a gold seal rating.

                I would suggest you go back an watch the video's another 10 times!

                Lindy
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              • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
                Originally Posted by sidee View Post

                Nah the software sucks. Open groups only (which are full of spammers who are worthless as leads). Pages but only those who post on pages, which is a tiny number of people so it's worthless.
                You need to take another look at SLF. I'm using it and my list is growing rapidly since I started it a week ago. I grabbed 46,000 targeted ids and have been driving ads to them. I'm making sales and building my list. The sales I'm getting are making me break even. In return I'm building a list super fast for practically free.
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                • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                  Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

                  You need to take another look at SLF. I'm using it and my list is growing rapidly since I started it a week ago. I grabbed 46,000 targeted ids and have been driving ads to them. I'm making sales and building my list. The sales I'm getting are making me break even. In return I'm building a list super fast for practically free.
                  Hello Wickaman,

                  Not sure if you took my advice to buy SLF or you had already bought it, but it's great that you have seen results you can get so fast. An your results will get better as you perfect your systems.

                  Thanks too for posting your results an backing me up on it. I would certainly not give anyone wrong advice, we do know what we are talking about an won't mislead anyone, but guess not everyone will believe us.

                  We havn't even started using it to it's full potential yet, havn't even tried the google plus side of things, but it really is great software.

                  Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Hello Wade,

        Re: "And for Lindy, you say produce the newsletter "magazines" mostly on a weekly or 2 week basis. You've mentioned that they run from around 4 to over 20 pages. This must be comparable to production of a real magazine. Do you use a staff of writers and designers? Or do you buy PLR material, use syndicated articles or that sort of thing? Doing a quality PDF newsletter like take a good bit of time/effort."

        No, we are a bit lazier than that lol. We only produce one Magazine per month for each niche.

        We should say produce one every two weeks, we would certainly increase our sales that way, but the Affiliate Marketing is now jus a small part of our overall Business an mainly run jus by two of our younger girls. They are responsible for finding new Affiliate programs/products (outside of Amazon) for us to promote, as well as working on the list building.

        Sherri intends to increase her Newsletter/Magazine to 2 issues per month from next year as school will be over an done with so she will have full time to devote to her Business's.

        Re how we do the production of the Magazines, that's a good question. I have covered some of it in other posts, especially bout how to get content, so I won't cover that again but more on how we do it.

        I'v mainly used Sherri's Music Business in my examples as she only has a small list of around 10,000 for that niche, so I though that's more appropriate to use in examples for those starting in list building an marketing via our model.

        Sherri still fully produces her own Magazine, its usually 4 pages minimum but can go to 6 or 8 pages depending on the season. She is laying it out in Word then saving as a PDF. I'v covered how she sources content in other posts.

        We used to do our Magazines in a similar way, myself an my Dad doing the layout an designing, but time is at a premium for us so we now outsource most of the production.

        We found an experienced Magazine Designer from Romania, through one of the freelancing sites, he sets up each monthly issue for around US$100 per Magazine.

        One of our shift Supervisors is also designated as the Editor of all the Magazines. She comes up with some of the ideas for articles an has them written for us, again by experienced writers mainly from freelancing sites. But she will also use same methods as Sherri, finding good article content on MSN an putting it through a spinner, as well as changing titles, adding sub titles etc. Yes a bit of PLR content too, mainly from PLR Books that usually have better content then PLR articles, then through the spinner again. But PLR content usually requires more editing.

        But it's not hard to do an most people could do it themselves to start with. Sherri is only 16 an she puts out very professional an engaging Magazines. She hasn't lost a single subscriber an has developed a great relationship with her readers, most much older than she is.

        She has a second Magazine for a teen girl niche where her readers are contributing most of the content. She's planning to develop that one into a full 20 to 30 page Monthly Magazine next year, an she will likely have our Designer lay that one out.

        Not sure if you have read all my posts where I'v mentioned Sherri, but she started her IM Business's with her first website when she was only 14. For the teen girl market. She started her marketing promotion jus at her school. Not even 17 yet, she has 4 different Business's and will make around US$200,000 from them this year if she has good Christmas sales. Am very proud of her, she's beating me by heaps, my first year at 24 I made grand profit of $408. lol.

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author brittlesnc
          Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

          But she will also use same methods as Sherri, finding good article content on MSN an putting it through a spinner, as well as changing titles, adding sub titles etc. Yes a bit of PLR content too, mainly from PLR Books that usually have better content then PLR articles, then through the spinner again. But PLR content usually requires more editing.
          So you spin content that is created by others? Aren't you worried about violating a copyright when you put someone else's content through a spinner?

          I think even a "derivative" of someone's content is still considered a copyright violation...not certain about it but maybe someone like warrior Kindsvater (I think he's an attorney) would be able to weigh in on this...

          And you use edited PLR for your newsletters as well that you put through a spinner? I ask because I want to be clear that's what you mean...
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by brittlesnc View Post

            So you spin content that is created by others? Aren't you worried about violating a copyright when you put someone else's content through a spinner?

            I think even a "derivative" of someone's content is still considered a copyright violation...not certain about it but maybe someone like warrior Kindsvater (I think he's an attorney) would be able to weigh in on this...

            And you use edited PLR for your newsletters as well that you put through a spinner? I ask because I want to be clear that's what you mean...
            Hello brittlesnc,

            There are only so many ways to say anything, if copyright was so rigid no one could write anything without breaching copyright.

            So yes we will spin an article, edit it a bit by adding some of our own copy, change the structure around a bit, a new title, new opening paragraph, some sub titles, etc. It doesn't look much like the original now.

            With PLR content we could use it as is, but we don't want to do that, so we go through same procedure to make it more ours.

            There's another source of content too that I do use for one of my Magazines, the niche that I have for young Women. There are a number of US sites that provide article an photo content for Newspapers an Magazines, some completely free to use an some with a small yearly charge. These articles are on a wide range of topics, copyright free, an all very professionally written by professional magazine writers.

            If you want to look at an example: brandpointcontent (com)

            Jus another thought with this. Any news event covered by media attracts journalists from many different newspapers, magazines television etc. They all are working on the same basic information given or available to them. Each article will be slightly different based on the personal writing style of the journalist but again many of their articles will look very similar as the source of the article is common. But their not breaching copyright even though their articles basically say the same thing, jus in slightly different wording.

            Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author guitarizma
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    Originally Posted by Gsdlady View Post

    I have been an Amazon Affiliate for about 3 years. I do research and read up on how to generate income from being an Amazon Affiliate. I see reports and screen shots people provide that shows the large amount of $$ they make each month. I have been researching a lot lately on how others make a living on the income generated from Amazon.

    Are the screen shots for real or are the numbers fudged into larger amounts? To generate the type of income I see other Amazon affiliates say they make would be great.

    But I do wonder if what I see is true. I do make some Amazon affiliate income but not nearly enough. I would be extremely happy to just generate 500 a month from being an Amazon Affiliate.

    So do other Amazon affiliates REALLY make 1000's of dollars a month from Amazon?
    From your sig link I'm guessing you are using an "Amazon -based" theme, but are you also using the plugin for auto product addition and price updates?

    Once that part has already been taken care of, I'd say you try out Pinterest.

    There are several automated systems available that could promote your stuff on Pinterest and link back to your site.

    The trick - in the comment section clearly mention the price of the product and say something like "buy now for a discount price of $xyz"

    High ticket offers do sell well with Pinterest traffic, but small items work best.

    If you can get yourself into a couple of REALLY BIG boards with millions of members, making $10,000 per month should be a piece of cake. And all of that on hands-free mode.

    Tip - If you plan to do this look for Pinterest board invites here on Warrior forum and fiverr.com.

    To you success
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    • Profile picture of the author sidee
      Originally Posted by guitarizma View Post


      If you can get yourself into a couple of REALLY BIG boards with millions of members, making $10,000 per month should be a piece of cake. And all of that on hands-free mode.
      LOL

      Someone's kid is on mommy's computer again.

      Stop posting.
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      • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
        Originally Posted by sidee View Post

        LOL

        Someone's kid is on mommy's computer again.

        Stop posting.
        I'm guessing you mean yourself do you sidee???

        But your advice is good, if your not able to act like an adult in here then yes, take your own advise an stop posting!

        Lindy
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        • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
          Ah, we do have the usual colorful WF crowd here today.

          Lindy, thanks a ton for your detailed answer. While you've delegated a lot of your operation now, your type of setup could obviously be started quite simply. Anyone with one of the free word processors that export to PDF could put something decent together for this. I'm absolutely going to get a Lindy-style project going quite soon.

          BTW, I not only have read each of your posts, I've pasted them into a file and highlighted many points of interest. One thing I am very good at is recognizing a good source if information and I put you high on the list with regard to this subject. These WF threads stay up for years and turn up in search, so I suspect quite a lot of people are going to benefit for your posts here. They'd certainly be wise to do so.
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by Wade Watson View Post

            Ah, we do have the usual colorful WF crowd here today.

            Lindy, thanks a ton for your detailed answer. While you've delegated a lot of your operation now, your type of setup could obviously be started quite simply. Anyone with one of the free word processors that export to PDF could put something decent together for this. I'm absolutely going to get a Lindy-style project going quite soon.

            BTW, I not only have read each of your posts, I've pasted them into a file and highlighted many points of interest. One thing I am very good at is recognizing a good source if information and I put you high on the list with regard to this subject. These WF threads stay up for years and turn up in search, so I suspect quite a lot of people are going to benefit for your posts here. They'd certainly be wise to do so.
            Thank you so much Wade. I am enjoying myself in here, it's nice to find a community that is about sharing an helping each other. I'm really pleased that you an others are finding value in what I say.

            I am learning too, I have looked through other threads an found new ideas from other WF Members, so it's a two way street.

            Yes the Magazine style Newsletters are easy to do, Sherri only spent a couple of hours to come up with her original design then saved it as a template. Now when she has all her monthly content assembled it would only take her bout 30 to 40 minutes to lay it out in Magazine style within the template.

            The impact of Magazine style is jus so much better than any normal Newsletter I have seen.

            Lindy
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            • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
              Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

              The impact of Magazine style is jus so much better than any normal Newsletter I have seen.
              Lindy
              Hi Lindy. I've been making a living online since 2007 but your story blows me away. May I ask how you developed your "Magazine style"? Did you use a product to help you or is it all your own creation?

              I have just started a hobby site which I think would suit your newsletter approach and I'm keen to give it a go. I have tried building lists in the past but the niches that I'm in don't suit email marketing. Or at least I haven't been able to make it work. The hobby site is completely different so I am going to be list building again.
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              • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                Originally Posted by Steve Garratt View Post

                Hi Lindy. I've been making a living online since 2007 but your story blows me away. May I ask how you developed your "Magazine style"? Did you use a product to help you or is it all your own creation?

                I have just started a hobby site which I think would suit your newsletter approach and I'm keen to give it a go. I have tried building lists in the past but the niches that I'm in don't suit email marketing. Or at least I haven't been able to make it work. The hobby site is completely different so I am going to be list building again.
                Hello Steve,

                We have actually been doing our Newsletters in Magazine style for about 6 years now. My Dad got the idea from a small print magazine sent out to Subscribers in Australia by some sort of investment company. He said he was also receiving Newsletters from other investment companies, but the glossy magazine approach with articles was striking an attention getting compared to the plain Newsletters. He said he would sit there an read through all the articles in the Magazine, whereas he might jus have a brief glance at the plain text Newsletters.

                We don't restrict ourselves to jus the normal IM practices or conventions. We are bit like a think tank while we are working together. If we see ideas from anywhere that we like, we will talk bout them an see if we can use them in some way, or if they might trigger other ideas that we can develop. We always carry digital voice recorders with us, an beside our beds even when we have to sleep, jus in case we see or get some brilliant idea. lol

                Yes a Hobby site might be a great niche for a Magazine an our style of marketing. I'll tell you a little secret, one of my smaller niches is for Guys in the DIY market and it works great for that. Hobby site might be a bit like that market. Good luck with it.

                Lindy
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                • Profile picture of the author sidee
                  Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                  Hello Steve,

                  We have actually been doing our Newsletters in Magazine style for about 6 years now. My Dad got the idea from a small print magazine sent out to Subscribers in Australia by some sort of investment company. He said he was also receiving Newsletters from other investment companies, but the glossy magazine approach with articles was striking an attention getting compared to the plain Newsletters. He said he would sit there an read through all the articles in the Magazine, whereas he might jus have a brief glance at the plain text Newsletters.

                  We don't restrict ourselves to jus the normal IM practices or conventions. We are bit like a think tank while we are working together. If we see ideas from anywhere that we like, we will talk bout them an see if we can use them in some way, or if they might trigger other ideas that we can develop. We always carry digital voice recorders with us, an beside our beds even when we have to sleep, jus in case we see or get some brilliant idea. lol

                  Yes a Hobby site might be a great niche for a Magazine an our style of marketing. I'll tell you a little secret, one of my smaller niches is for Guys in the DIY market and it works great for that. Hobby site might be a bit like that market. Good luck with it.

                  Lindy
                  If you're going to put out a magazine, you might want to learn the rules of capitalization. You're not making yourself look too good here. The tired approach of using a supermodel avatar is not helping things either.

                  This link should be very useful to you: http://www.grammarbook.com/punctuation/capital.asp
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                  • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                    Originally Posted by sidee View Post

                    If you're going to put out a magazine, you might want to learn the rules of capitalization. You're not making yourself look too good here. The tired approach of using a supermodel avatar is not helping things either.

                    This link should be very useful to you: Capitalization | Punctuation Rules
                    Oh thank you sidee but I don't think I'll bother, I havn't had anyone else complain bout how I spell.

                    I have said in my posts that I was forced to leave school when I was jus 16, so didn't even graduate High School. I even told the reason.

                    I guess your not liking me turning your own comment back on you, so you want to get picky now.

                    But you had no reason to make those comments bout another Member, if he was right or wrong with his advice is not the point, he was trying to help.

                    I thought your first post was fairly good, though out an mainly correct. But you let yourself down by making that undeserved comment.

                    So I think really, your the one not making yourself look good in here.

                    Lindy
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                • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
                  Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                  Hello Steve,

                  We have actually been doing our Newsletters in Magazine style for about 6 years now. My Dad got the idea from a small print magazine sent out to Subscribers in Australia by some sort of investment company. He said he was also receiving Newsletters from other investment companies, but the glossy magazine approach with articles was striking an attention getting compared to the plain Newsletters. He said he would sit there an read through all the articles in the Magazine, whereas he might jus have a brief glance at the plain text Newsletters.

                  We don't restrict ourselves to jus the normal IM practices or conventions. We are bit like a think tank while we are working together. If we see ideas from anywhere that we like, we will talk bout them an see if we can use them in some way, or if they might trigger other ideas that we can develop. We always carry digital voice recorders with us, an beside our beds even when we have to sleep, jus in case we see or get some brilliant idea. lol

                  Yes a Hobby site might be a great niche for a Magazine an our style of marketing. I'll tell you a little secret, one of my smaller niches is for Guys in the DIY market and it works great for that. Hobby site might be a bit like that market. Good luck with it.

                  Lindy
                  Thank you Lindy. I'm going to have to give that some thought. My site is in the hobby electronics niche. I am actually an Electronic and Software Engineer so this site will be a refreshing change for me. That is It's something that I'm passionate about which makes a change. Link in my sig if you want to see.

                  I can see that I'm going to have to do a lot of thinking.
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                  • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                    Originally Posted by Steve Garratt View Post

                    Thank you Lindy. I'm going to have to give that some thought. My site is in the hobby electronics niche. I am actually an Electronic and Software Engineer so this site will be a refreshing change for me. That is It's something that I'm passionate about which makes a change. Link in my sig if you want to see.

                    I can see that I'm going to have to do a lot of thinking.
                    Hello Steve

                    I jus had a look, all Guy stuff in there an I don't understand any of it. lol.

                    But I'm sure plenty of Guys would be interested in electronics so should be a good niche. An being passionate bout what we do is really one of the main keys to success.

                    Lindy
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                    • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
                      Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                      Hello Steve

                      I jus had a look, all Guy stuff in there an I don't understand any of it. lol.

                      But I'm sure plenty of Guys would be interested in electronics so should be a good niche. An being passionate bout what we do is really one of the main keys to success.

                      Lindy
                      It's not only Guys who are interested in electronics but they are few and far between. I wish that there were more.
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  • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
    10 million dollars a year in turnover, you work 16 hours a day, and yet you spend plenty of time on the WF writing very detailed posts. I'm not outright calling you a liar, but things don't add up here.

    What's that quote....

    "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

    I can't be the only skeptic in here, surely?
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

      10 million dollars a year in turnover, you work 16 hours a day, and yet you spend plenty of time on the WF writing very detailed posts. I'm not outright calling you a liar, but things don't add up here.

      What's that quote....

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      I can't be the only skeptic in here, surely?
      Hello dreamtoreality,

      Havn't you ever heard that Women are very good at multi tasking. lol.

      Yes my Dad an I both work around 16 hours a day, we run 3 shifts here so have girls working 24 hours a day, I work through two of the shifts. But our staff are doing most of the actual day to day work, we even have one senior girl on each shift who is a Supervisor.

      I am responsible for the overall operation of all our Business's, but a lot of my time as well as my Dad's is spent in planning an developing ideas for our Business's. We actually have a staff of around 40, but only 16 working from our office complex here. Plus myself an Anna, Anna is like a sister to me an acts as my PA. So 18 working here actually.

      To show you how I work, Anna an I are sitting within a U shaped console surrounded by 6 computers an 4 monitors. we can switch monitors between computers. We have one running our conference room so a 16 hour live link back to my Dad in Australia, we operate with voice an webcams. My dad is also running 4 computers at once. We can share each others computer screens, or bring up any website within our conference room, or he could take control of any of our computers or we could do same with his.

      So with say this thread. I jus have it running on one computer in the background, very easy to click hat computer on screen to show the thread on a working monitor, Anna will mainly check for me, an the replies take less than 5 mins to do, gives me some short breaks an I'm enjoying it.

      Yes we have build a ten million dollar a year Business in the space of ten years, an growing each year. We actually have 20 different Business's, now mainly involved with online/offline services, and operating in UK, US, CA an AU. The largest Business's are Hosting an Data Backup services that are residual monthly income earners, other services we offer to Business's are residual monthly income earners too. Very easy to build to our volumes when you jus have to get a customer once and they then keep paying you month after month, year after year.

      We have maintained the Affiliate Marketing as its a fairly high income earner compared to cost of running, 2 junior staff run most of that Division.

      I have no reason to not be telling the truth, I may be different to most in giving our figures but I do so to show what is possible. Same reason I tell parts of my personal story.

      Wonder if you have read through my posts or jus one or two? You might find I do know what I'm talking about, an that's because we do run these Business's like I say we do. But if you still have doubts an want to ask me questions, feel free to do so. I'm an approachable girl. lol

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author ravenx
        Lindy, question about socialleadfreaks.

        From the looks of it, this program just gets a list of people who are super interested in a particular topic.

        To get them to your website / subscribe to your list...you would have to dump them into a custom audience and advertise using Facebook ads correct?
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by ravenx View Post

          Lindy, question about socialleadfreaks.

          From the looks of it, this program just gets a list of people who are super interested in a particular topic.

          To get them to your website / subscribe to your list...you would have to dump them into a custom audience and advertise using Facebook ads correct?
          Hello ravenx,

          Yes that's right. Custom Audience into FB Power Editor then you can direct FB to serve up your Ad Impressions jus to them. Because they are highly targeted to that particular niche interest, as long as your Ad an Offer to them is attractive you get a very good response compared to jus a general run FB Ad that is not so highly targeted.

          Lindy
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by dreamtoreality View Post

      10 million dollars a year in turnover, you work 16 hours a day, and yet you spend plenty of time on the WF writing very detailed posts. I'm not outright calling you a liar, but things don't add up here.

      What's that quote....

      "Believe nothing, no matter where you read it, or who said it, no matter if I have said it, unless it agrees with your own reason and your own common sense."

      I can't be the only skeptic in here, surely?
      Hello dreamtoreality,

      A second reply to you, cause my Dad read your post an my reply an wants me to pass this message onto you.

      I'm going to have to blush while I tell it though, lol, because he said first off, tell him I said your amazing an you could write those replies in your sleep. Then he said but tell him I take all the credit because I'm the one who taught you. So there. lol.

      But he also said he understands that some people wouldn't understand how we could build such a large Business in 10 years so you an others might be interested in that. So I'll jus give a brief outline of how we have done it.

      We started mainly with Affiliate Marketing an I'v been telling how we built that Business so I won't cover that again. But we used the profits we were making from Affiliate Marketing to finance ourselves into different Business's, we have 20 now an more in the planning.

      It did take us bout 3 years to hit the million dollar commission mark with our Affiliate Marketing, an we were spending most of it, buying a 200 year old Manor House that would be my home an our Business headquarters, spending a fortune on renovating it, spoiling me by buying a nearby small farm for my horses, things like that. So all that took up a couple of years money.

      With the big spending out of the way he either thought he better start more Business's to keep up with me, or he better use the money to start more Business's before I spent it all. I don't know which! lol

      My Dad follows many old sayings, like Leave No Stone Unturned. In planning these Business's he translated that to Vertical Intergration, you will see how in a minute.

      So he decided to go into an Online/Offline Business with Website Design for small Business's. Website Designers were charging a fortune to design websites so it gave us opportunity an a market that was virtually untouched. Small Business' that couldn't afford those high prices. We employed professional website designers from India so we could do them at much lower prices. We employed our first sales people to call on small Business's and sell our Website Design Services.

      Websites need Hosting, at first we acted as Affiliates for Hostgator, making a commission of $100 to $125 for each Hosting account we signed up to host the websites.

      Next he decided we would set up our own Hosting Company, getting on going monthly residual income from all our Website customers, instead of jus a one time Affiliate commission. We gave 3 months free hosting for our previous website design customers to change over to our new Hosting Company. So monthly residual income.

      Next, leaving no stone unturned, our customers needed help with ranking of their websites. We started our own SEO Business, first outsourcing to an American company an later employing our own staff based in the Phillipines. More monthly residual income.

      Next he looked at services we could offer to our customers, who were all mainly small Business's. Most run their entire operations via computers, all their data is on their computers an usually with no backups, or no offsite backups. So an easy sell to protect their entire Business from disaster, we started our own automated Backup Business. About 85% of our Business customers signed up for the service. A higher monthly residual charge this time because we backup their Business computers every night.

      I won't go into all the services we provide, but we jus kept rolling out service after service, each a new Company but under one umbrella, an being able to sell each new service to existing customers, again an easy sell. Or if we gained a new customer for a certain service, we could likely change them over to using our other services.

      Then we started cloning our Business's in other countries like Australia and America.

      So that's roughly how we have built our ten million dollar per year turnover. Eight of it comes from these Business's and Two from our Affiliate Marketing.

      Understand it now dreamtoreality?

      Actually you should because we do exactly what your name says. We take our dreams to reality!

      Lindy
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      • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
        Very interesting story Lindy. Would you mind sharing a link or contact information to one of the businesses you run? I think I could be up to employing some of your services (as would many here in the WF boards I'm sure).

        And of course I mean the actual services; not your mailing lists or anything like that (I'm not trying to copy your niches). Just the actual business where you offer paid services that could be of use to someone working online

        I understand you might be reluctant to do that since it might be considered "spam" by the administrators, so if you could just leave some of your contact details and I would get in touch with you or someone at your company. (I live in Poland so calling the UK is quite cheap
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        • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
          Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

          Very interesting story Lindy. Would you mind sharing a link or contact information to one of the businesses you run? I think I could be up to employing some of your services (as would many here in the WF boards I'm sure).

          And of course I mean the actual services; not your mailing lists or anything like that (I'm not trying to copy your niches). Just the actual business where you offer paid services that could be of use to someone working online

          I understand you might be reluctant to do that since it might be considered "spam" by the administrators, so if you could just leave some of your contact details and I would get in touch with you or someone at your company. (I live in Poland so calling the UK is quite cheap
          Hello syncmaster,

          I have seen WF Members in other threads offering their services so I think it is allowed.

          But we prefer not to do this or fully identify ourselves here. Partly for security reasons. Our websites do identify us an provide our address as well as contact details, but those details are normally only being seen by established small Business's who our sales teams have called on.

          In here I have perhaps been a bit too open with some things, like identifying that our Business offices are based in our manor home which is also were we live, an that our staff here are all young women an working here through 24 hour shifts. My Dad has some concerns bout that as far as our security goes. This thread has received over 17,000 views an though I think most people would be very nice, you can jus not be sure when your personal details are known to so many who you can not identify.

          The other thing too is that we are not offering any services to Internet Marketers or advertising our services generally on the open market. Our whole Business (other than Affiliate Marketing) is based on small Offline Business's, providing technical an marketing services to them. We went this way because dealing exclusively with other Business's B2B we are able to charge premium pricing for our services. For example with Hosting charges, in the open marketplace Hosting is commonly very cheap, less than $10 a month in many cases, an that type of hosting is popular with Internet Marketers. When we are dealing B2B we are able to charge many more times that per month, but our customers are still receiving very good value because of the integrated services that we offer them, not offered in the same way by any other company that we know of.

          Hope you an others will understand those reasons, an thank you very much for wanting to deal with us.

          Lindy
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          • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
            Hi Lindy,

            Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

            Hello syncmaster,

            I have seen WF Members in other threads offering their services so I think it is allowed.

            (....) Our whole Business (other than Affiliate Marketing) is based on small Offline Business's, providing technical an marketing services to them.(...)

            Lindy
            I might have misunderstood something, but didn't you mention a few posts earlier that most of your customers run their businesses from computers? To quote:

            "Next he looked at services we could offer to our customers, who were all mainly small Business's. Most run their entire operations via computers, all their data is on their computers an usually with no backups, or no offsite backups."

            I'm somewhat at a loss to be honest, as most primarily-offline business don't run their whole business from a computer. If you offer hosting, backup services and probably much more based on what you said, surely many web-based businesses would be very happy to work with you. And it seems like your company has the "capitalization" approach, as in you try to squeeze money out wherever it's possible, even if it means focusing on many things at the same time. So I'm not sure I understand why you would willingly refuse to acquire a huge additional clientele by actually... letting others know what your company is called? (Which is really a basic thing to do for any multi-million dollar company ). And if privacy is such a major concern, then may I ask why you aren't shy of using your personal picture in your avatar? I mean, this is a HUGE marketing forum with a huge number of people from the UK; it's not unfathomable that someone you may have worked with in the past would recognize you here?

            Also I do have another question. You mentioned earlier that one of the strengths of building a list is that you have full control over what happens to your assets; you also mentioned that one of the negative sides of an SEO-driven business is that a competitor could take you out (implying that this is not the case for a list-building approach). Here though you seem to be afraid of letting people "find you" by mentioning your business, as if you were worried that they could become your competition, which would imply that your business model is not as fool-proof as you claimed earlier?

            On a side note; I just read your other posts in this thread and found your comments about being a blonde quite funny (in a positive way) I always wondered whether blondes are treated differently by others on account of being blondes even when they are kids? This is completely off topic, but I'm curious what your experience was in this area when you were very young (say less than 10 years old or something), assuming you remember of course.
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

              Hi Lindy,



              I might have misunderstood something, but didn't you mention a few posts earlier that most of your customers run their businesses from computers? To quote:

              "Next he looked at services we could offer to our customers, who were all mainly small Business's. Most run their entire operations via computers, all their data is on their computers an usually with no backups, or no offsite backups."

              I'm somewhat at a loss to be honest, as most primarily-offline business don't run their whole business from a computer. If you offer hosting, backup services and probably much more based on what you said, surely many web-based businesses would be very happy to work with you. And it seems like your company has the "capitalization" approach, as in you try to squeeze money out wherever it's possible, even if it means focusing on many things at the same time. So I'm not sure I understand why you would willingly refuse to acquire a huge additional clientele by actually... letting others know what your company is called? (Which is really a basic thing to do for any multi-million dollar company ). And if privacy is such a major concern, then may I ask why you aren't shy of using your personal picture in your avatar? I mean, this is a HUGE marketing forum with a huge number of people from the UK; it's not unfathomable that someone you may have worked with in the past would recognize you here?

              Also I do have another question. You mentioned earlier that one of the strengths of building a list is that you have full control over what happens to your assets; you also mentioned that one of the negative sides of an SEO-driven business is that a competitor could take you out (implying that this is not the case for a list-building approach). Here though you seem to be afraid of letting people "find you" by mentioning your business, as if you were worried that they could become your competition, which would imply that your business model is not as fool-proof as you claimed earlier?

              On a side note; I just read your other posts in this thread and found your comments about being a blonde quite funny (in a positive way) I always wondered whether blondes are treated differently by others on account of being blondes even when they are kids? This is completely off topic, but I'm curious what your experience was in this area when you were very young (say less than 10 years old or something), assuming you remember of course.
              Hello syncmaster,

              I'll try to answer point by point.

              1. I'v confused you because I'v maybe used the wrong word there, when I say "run", but I'm not sure what other word to use. What I mean is that all their customer data is on their computers. Their customers contact information an history, etc. Their own financial management like invoices an statements, all their own normal "paperwork" with their suppliers and so on. Some other Business types like accountants, builders etc will have even more on their computers. So if they lost their computers in some way, by thieft or fire, or even hard drive crash, it would be very hard for them to continue to run their Business's. Most data nowdays is kept on their computers, they wouldn't even know all their customers, they wouldn't know who owed them what amounts an so forth. That's what I meant by they run their Business's from their computers.

              2, Re: "seems like your company has the "capitalization" approach, as in you try to squeeze money out wherever it's possible, even if it means focusing on many things at the same time"

              I'm not sure what capitalization approach means, but what we are really trying to do is to be a full service agency to our customers. Like a one stop shop, they don't have to look elsewhere for main Business Services that they need, we can supply everything from logo design upwards. This is a key concept for us, we don't have to keep trying to get a flood of new customers to us because we can continue making money from our existing customers by catering to all their needs. But we of course keep acquiring new customers as well.

              3. Re: "So I'm not sure I understand why you would willingly refuse to acquire a huge additional clientele by actually... letting others know what your company is called? (Which is really a basic thing to do for any multi-million dollar company"

              I have two separate answers here. First is that you were saying that you thought many from WF might use our services. But we are not setup to offer services for other Internet Marketers. Large companies like HostGator, GVO, Aweber, etc have most of that market an can do that better an cheaper than we could. Like HostGator for instance has 7000 Servers an more than 450 employees.

              We would be a little fish in a big sea trying to compete with the big companies that service the Internet Marketing niche. But we have followed our own Business Model that we first developed for our Affiliate Marketing, so in our case with this main part of our Business we have made ourselves a big fish in our own pond again.

              4. Re:"You mentioned earlier that one of the strengths of building a list is that you have full control over what happens to your assets; you also mentioned that one of the negative sides of an SEO-driven business is that a competitor could take you out (implying that this is not the case for a list-building approach). Here though you seem to be afraid of letting people "find you" by mentioning your business, as if you were worried that they could become your competition, which would imply that your business model is not as fool-proof as you claimed earlier?"

              No all my previous posts have been relating to Affiliate Marketing, (except when I answered dreamtoreality) but here we are talking about the other part of our Business, the main part of our Business that is about Online/Offline Services.

              Although we have used our base model to develop our Online/Offline Business it is a completely different market an marketplace. And yes, with a very big YES we seek to keep out of the radar of our competitors in these markets. We don't advertise at all or SEO our websites for customers to find us, our competition could then also find us an reverse engineer us, where in current situation we can find them an reverse engineer them! So our ways of acquiring customers is very similar to how we do Affiliate Marketing an building those lists to market to. But in this case we are using a team of sales people who are actually calling on prospective customers, an following up on existing customers, an we are also using direct advertising methods, like email and post mailings to directly target customers.

              I'll put this in another way. Think of a Burglar, he breaks in an steals your loot an you don't even know it until he's gone. We are like Business Burglars, we do the same but we are stealing small Business customers away from our competition before they even know it.

              I have said we are very different an we are, our whole Business Model is based on thinking differently. We follow ideas related to warfare, especially those of Sun Tzu who was a Chinese General from over 2000 years ago, from his book The Art Of War. (even Harvard University Business School use his book as a textbook now). It's really about knowing your enemy without letting them know much bout you. My Dad also likes the German Blitzkreig method, attacking when they are unknowing an unprepared to fight back.

              All this might seem strange when we are talking bout Business but it is very logical if you think bout it. We intend to develop a 100 million dollar a year Business from our ideas an Business Model, an I'm sure we can do that. Some people reading this might laugh when I say that, but look at this about Hostgator:

              "Privately held and based in Houston, Texas, the company was founded in 2002 by current Founder and Chairman Brent Oxley, who started the company from his dorm room at Florida Atlantic University. Since then, HostGator has grown from a small hosting company with just three servers into a world leading and industry recognized hosting provider"

              He has done that in jus 11 years, so we are actually dragging the chain. lol.

              5. Re being a Blond - Hmm lol. Do Blondes have more fun, well I don't know but I have fun. I'm not sure about when I was a kid under 10, I sort of more remember from when I was bout 12 when older boys started noticing me, an especially in teens when I started noticing boys. lol. My family life at home though was not good, I was never wanted an never loved so it didn't matter being a Blonde or not. I am loved now by my new Dad an that makes up for everything I lost when I was young.

              I do make fun bout being a Blonde but I'm not a dumb Blonde, though some of my friends an the girls working here, who are my friends too, might not always agree with that statement. lol.

              Lindy
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              • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
                Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post


                5. Re being a Blond - Hmm lol. Do Blondes have more fun, well I don't know but I have fun. I'm not sure about when I was a kid under 10, I sort of more remember from when I was bout 12 when older boys started noticing me, an especially in teens when I started noticing boys. lol. My family life at home though was not good, I was never wanted an never loved so it didn't matter being a Blonde or not. I am loved now by my new Dad an that makes up for everything I lost when I was young.

                I do make fun bout being a Blonde but I'm not a dumb Blonde, though some of my friends an the girls working here, who are my friends too, might not always agree with that statement. lol.

                Lindy
                It's funny you would say that, because if you click the picture in your avatar (this will show you a slightly enlarged version), you'll see - clear as daylight - that the woman in that picture is not a blonde -- she's actually a brunette, dyed blond.

                But I guess that's not something a guy would notice
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                • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                  Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

                  It's funny you would say that, because if you click the picture in your avatar (this will show you a slightly enlarged version), you'll see - clear as daylight - that the woman in that picture is not a blonde -- she's actually a brunette, dyed blond.

                  But I guess that's not something a guy would know
                  Hello syncmaster,

                  The pic I use here is as an avatar, it's not really me, but I am a real Blonde. My name is really Lindy though.

                  I do have to be careful here, I think everyone does but especially women.

                  Sometimes I'm not. There was an occasion very early in this thread that a Guy emailed me an we started an email conversation, an very friendly because we were both single an he visited Brighton, not far from me.

                  He seemed very nice (and he most likely is too) we had common interests, especially in Offline Business's, some things in our background in common etc. He asked bout visiting me, I first suggested we get to know each other by email and then maybe some personal chats, but I was intending to meet up with him in Brighton. I gave him my personal email. I wouldn't give him my phone number.

                  But then he really attacked me in emails an even in this thread. Someone removed those posts an my reply to him within a few minutes, but many at that time saw them.

                  That shook me up at the time because I though we were becoming friends an I was thinking of meeting up with him. He did apologise later an explain his reasons, but I also explained I would be scared to continue any further association with him.

                  Perhaps partly my fault too cause in my profile at that time after saying I was unmarried I also had a little joke saying - Guys can apply. Was only meant to be fun but may have contributed to what happened.

                  But it brought to mind my Dads warning that I have to be conscious about safety an security.

                  Lindy
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                  • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
                    So why did you add an avatar at all? You don't need to add one you know, and it's not required of you at any point during account registration. I don't have an avatar for instance and that's what people do when they want to remain anonymous, not post fake pictures of other women. Let me tell you what I think: you added it deliberately because you wanted to fool people into thinking you are someone you're not.
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                    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                      Originally Posted by syncmaster913n View Post

                      So why did you add an avatar at all? You don't need to add one you know, and it's not required of you at any point during account registration. I don't have an avatar for instance and that's what people do when they want to remain anonymous, not post fake pictures of other women. Let me tell you what I think: you added it deliberately because you wanted to fool people into thinking you are someone you're not.
                      Hello syncmaster

                      I'm being very open in here to people, including you, about myself, my life an our Business's. I have no reason or need to fool people.

                      Umm, jus a logical thought here too. I was the one who jus told you it wasn't my real photo, so how does that add up to me wanting to fool people? Unless I was a REALLY Dumb Blonde! lol

                      If you look at some avatars in the WF you will see movie an television show stars. I'm sure it's not really them trying to learn bout Internet Marketing. lol

                      I'm fairly new to the WF, only here for a month or so before I started posting in this thread. I did post in a couple other threads before this one.

                      But I grew up in chat rooms, like the MSN an Yahoo chat rooms, everyone used either their photos or avatar pics in them an I think a large percentage in WF do too.

                      I think if I added my real photo most would like it a lot better than one I am using, but then as you said, people could easily identify me offline.

                      We actually do use our real photos in websites an in our newsletters, but the risks are lower there we think.

                      Lindy
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                      • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
                        The difference between the other avatars in WF that you mention and yours is that theirs are clearly meant as a "joke" or novelty (they are either pictures of some celebrities, or pictures of a woman when the author is known to be a man). In your case it's different. Either way I'll rest my case now, have fun here at WF and hope you get all the attention you're after.

                        "Umm, jus a logical thought here too. I was the one who jus told you it wasn't my real photo, so how does that add up to me wanting to fool people? Unless I was a REALLY Dumb Blonde! lol"

                        Because you didn't say it earlier. I asked you a few posts back why did you use your own photo if you wanted to maintain privacy, and this was the only question in my long message that you ignored, while answering all my other questions in full detail. (If you really wanted to be honest you would have said something back then, instead you chose to pretend that it really is you by omission.) Only once I actually pointed out to you that the person in the picture is not a blonde at all (a fact that pretty much ANY real girl in the world would notice instantly), only then did you admit to it not being your real photo, because you really had no choice at that point.

                        At any rate, see you.
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                        • Profile picture of the author sidee
                          syncmaster, don't bother with Lindy. It's just another spam account. The guy can't even spell and capitalize at a 2nd grade level or write a post that is less than 1,000 words long.
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                          • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
                            I'm not going to deny that there's lots of value in this thread, because there really is. But as I've said before, everyone should at the very least question LindyUK.

                            Do you really think that anyone turning over 10 million a year would be on this forum? Furthermore, LindyUK seems to spend all of his time replying to new posts as soon as they are posted. Seems like quite a weird mindset for an alleged millionaire. Hell, I'd be amazed if anyone turning over 1 million a year is on this forum purely to give out advice and is not looking for new business. Don't these kind of people generally value their time too much to be doing that? I know a number of millionaires, although to be fair they are family friends, and they certainly value their time much more than this.

                            Generally, people also do not go to great lengths to defend themselves either unless something is up. Also, I'm sure that Amazon do not allow you to link to their store in emails or pdfs. It now makes perfect sense why there are so many gullible people on this forum who buy wso after wso, promising dreams of making big money for $9.99 or whatever. Please, guys, exercise a bit of common sense.
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                          • Profile picture of the author syncmaster913n
                            Originally Posted by sidee View Post

                            syncmaster, don't bother with Lindy. It's just another spam account. The guy can't even spell and capitalize at a 2nd grade level or write a post that is less than 1,000 words long.
                            I know mate, was just having some fun seeing the awesome stories he comes up with, and was trying to somewhat "expose" that person without attacking anyone because I didn't want the messages to be removed, hence my seemingly naive tone in these conversations.
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                            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                              To syncmaster, dreamtoreality and sidee,

                              It really doesn't bother me what you Guys think at all, but I have answered all the questions you have asked of me.

                              I'v also explained certain things, even in this thread before any of you came in, people know I'v not had a good education, that I had to leave school at 16, so my spelling an way I explain things might not to be at colledge level.

                              Now Siddee, you are now querying my posts cause their long? So guess you like very small books then? I try to give good explanations in my posts an answers so that people get a full idea of what I'm saying.

                              Now dreamtoreality, your saying my reason may be to get new business from WF, but syncmaster had actually said he was interested in our services and I explained to him that we don't have any services to offer to internet marketers. Guess you must have missed that huh?

                              So sorry, am not looking to find any business from WF, am not interested in writing any book or course an selling it on the WF. Read back through my posts, see if you can see anything at all that says otherwise!

                              Now again dreamtoreality, you say "Also, I'm sure that Amazon does not allow you to link to their store in emails or pdfs" You obviously weren't listening in class, cause I have never said anything about direct linking Amazon Stores. I have said that we place the Amazon Stores within OUR SuperStore Website. Did you not understand that point or jus havn't bothered to read my posts at all? An I mean reading all of them an in full, like someone would if they were wanting to learn.

                              So you also think because we have a large Business I shouldn't be here bothering with trying too help other people. In effect that's what your saying when you question why a millionaire come here.

                              That might be your attitude but it's not mine. I'm not Lady Muck, stuck up an better than anyone else. I'm jus me, I'm the same person I was when I struggled trying to raise a baby on my own without any support at 17 years of age. I am the same person I was at 24 trying to start my own Internet Business to. I don't care how you treat other people, I treat people in my own way, not in different way because I have more money then them.

                              So for the three of you, no you don't have to listen to a word I say, you don't have to believe a word I say either. My advice is for ones who do want to listen an to learn from me. An none of them are ever going to be paying me for that advice, I'm never going to be trying to sell anything to them.

                              Now a challenge for the 3 of you. How about you all start coming in here on a Daily Basis an posting your own advice to help everyone. Someone said I had written 42 pages or so of content an that was a few days ago.

                              So for the 3 of you Guys, I have challenged you. Now your not going to be shown up by a mere Girl are you? Your surely are all MEN an up to the challenge right? I'm really looking forward to hearing some of your lessons an advice. I'm sure it will be outstanding advice an you will get some rave reviews too, like some have kindly given me. Or will it be??? lol

                              Lindy

                              PS I jus noticed in your 3 posts, you all refer to me as being He or that Guy! Sooo perhaps the 3 of you are all one person???
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                              • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
                                Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                                To syncmaster, dreamtoreality and sidee,

                                It really doesn't bother me what you Guys think at all, but I have answered all the questions you have asked of me.

                                I'v also explained certain things, even in this thread before any of you came in, people know I'v not had a good education, that I had to leave school at 16, so my spelling an way I explain things might not to be at colledge level.

                                Now Siddee, you are now querying my posts cause their long? So guess you like very small books then? I try to give good explanations in my posts an answers so that people get a full idea of what I'm saying.

                                Now dreamtoreality, your saying my reason may be to get new business from WF, but syncmaster had actually said he was interested in our services and I explained to him that we don't have any services to offer to internet marketers. Guess you must have missed that huh?

                                So sorry, am not looking to find any business from WF, am not interested in writing any book or course an selling it on the WF. Read back through my posts, see if you can see anything at all that says otherwise!

                                Now again dreamtoreality, you say "Also, I'm sure that Amazon does not allow you to link to their store in emails or pdfs" You obviously weren't listening in class, cause I have never said anything about direct linking Amazon Stores. I have said that we place the Amazon Stores within OUR SuperStore Website. Did you not understand that point or jus havn't bothered to read my posts at all? An I mean reading all of them an in full, like someone would if they were wanting to learn.

                                So you also think because we have a large Business I shouldn't be here bothering with trying too help other people. In effect that's what your saying when you question why a millionaire come here.

                                That might be your attitude but it's not mine. I'm not Lady Muck, stuck up an better than anyone else. I'm jus me, I'm the same person I was when I struggled trying to raise a baby on my own without any support at 17 years of age. I am the same person I was at 24 trying to start my own Internet Business to. I don't care how you treat other people, I treat people in my own way, not in different way because I have more money then them.

                                So for the three of you, no you don't have to listen to a word I say, you don't have to believe a word I say either. My advice is for ones who do want to listen an to learn from me. An none of them are ever going to be paying me for that advice, I'm never going to be trying to sell anything to them.

                                Now a challenge for the 3 of you. How about you all start coming in here on a Daily Basis an posting your own advice to help everyone. Someone said I had written 42 pages or so of content an that was a few days ago.

                                So for the 3 of you Guys, I have challenged you. Now your not going to be shown up by a mere Girl are you? Your surely are all MEN an up to the challenge right? I'm really looking forward to hearing some of your lessons an advice. I'm sure it will be outstanding advice an you will get some rave reviews too, like some have kindly given me. Or will it be??? lol

                                Lindy
                                I have applied a lot of what you've said and my internet buisness is doing much better. You got some gears in my head moving that were stuck. The internet is a skeptical place and people are going to doubt a beautiful blond multimillionaire on a forum telling them how to make money. Spammer or not I've benefited from your advice and I haven't given you a dime So, instead of being closed minded and writing you off as a fake, I'll just wait until you give bad advice or try and sell me something.
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                                • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
                                  Originally Posted by Wickaman View Post

                                  I have applied a lot of what you've said and my internet buisness is doing much better. You got some gears in my head moving that were stuck. The internet is a skeptical place and people are going to doubt a beautiful blond multimillionaire on a forum telling them how to make money. Spammer or not I've benefited from your advice and I haven't given you a dime So, instead of being closed minded and writing you off as a fake, I'll just wait until you give bad advice or try and sell me something.
                                  Thanks Wickaman

                                  Guess I should jus ignore them but not easy when someone attacks you. But I have challenged the 3 of them to put their money where their mouths are so to speak. We will see who of them are MEN enough to accept my challenge. I'm actually not expecting any of them to be quite frankly!

                                  I try to give good advice, not everything we do or try works of course, but in here I'm showing what does work for us.

                                  An I will never be trying to sell you or anyone else here anything. jus trying to help.

                                  Lindy
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                              • Profile picture of the author dreamtoreality
                                Originally Posted by LindyUK View Post

                                To syncmaster, dreamtoreality and sidee,

                                I'm not going to get into a pissing contest with you, so this will likely be my last post on the subject and it will be brief.

                                Now dreamtoreality, your saying my reason may be to get new business from WF, but syncmaster had actually said he was interested in our services and I explained to him that we don't have any services to offer to internet marketers. Guess you must have missed that huh?

                                I'm not saying that's the reason why you are here. Personally, I think you thrive on receiving attention and making yourself out to be someone who you are not. As I've said, there's plenty of value in this thread, but it's very easy to talk the talk without having accomplished a fraction of what you have said you have achieved.

                                I'm saying that the most logical reason for anyone who is making that much money to be on here might be to sell their services. Syncaster was never interested in your services, he only said that for you to provide evidence as to who you say you are. Then again, a link to one of your sites, however small, might put our mind more at ease if you're up for it.
                                In my experience, people who make that much money usually don't go around telling people how much they've made either.

                                So sorry, am not looking to find any business from WF, am not interested in writing any book or course an selling it on the WF. Read back through my posts, see if you can see anything at all that says otherwise!

                                Now again dreamtoreality, you say "Also, I'm sure that Amazon does not allow you to link to their store in emails or pdfs" You obviously weren't listening in class, cause I have never said anything about direct linking Amazon Stores. I have said that we place the Amazon Stores within OUR SuperStore Website. Did you not understand that point or jus havn't bothered to read my posts at all? An I mean reading all of them an in full, like someone would if they were wanting to learn.

                                My bad, I didn't fancy reading all 430 posts. Others say that things don't add up though, so perhaps they can help me out on this one.

                                So you also think because we have a large Business I shouldn't be here bothering with trying too help other people. In effect that's what your saying when you question why a millionaire come here.

                                That might be your attitude but it's not mine. I'm not Lady Muck, stuck up an better than anyone else. I'm jus me, I'm the same person I was when I struggled trying to raise a baby on my own without any support at 17 years of age. I am the same person I was at 24 trying to start my own Internet Business to. I don't care how you treat other people, I treat people in my own way, not in different way because I have more money then them.

                                I'm saying that it's strange to find someone who makes that much money to be on this forum in the first place. Someone who has amassed so much money tends to value their time and works even harder to make more money or likely has to dedicate more time to running their business. Didn't you say you work 16 hours a day???

                                They usually don't have the time to reply to posts pretty much everyday as soon as they are posted. They certainly don't go to great lengths to defend themselves either, as they don't care what others think of them. This is precisely the mindset that has made them rich. Don't pretend you know how I treat people too.


                                So for the three of you, no you don't have to listen to a word I say, you don't have to believe a word I say either. My advice is for ones who do want to listen an to learn from me. An none of them are ever going to be paying me for that advice, I'm never going to be trying to sell anything to them.

                                Now a challenge for the 3 of you. How about you all start coming in here on a Daily Basis an posting your own advice to help everyone. Someone said I had written 42 pages or so of content an that was a few days ago.

                                So for the 3 of you Guys, I have challenged you. Now your not going to be shown up by a mere Girl are you? Your surely are all MEN an up to the challenge right? I'm really looking forward to hearing some of your lessons an advice. I'm sure it will be outstanding advice an you will get some rave reviews too, like some have kindly given me.

                                I post every now and again, reply to every single PM I receive etc., but funnily enough I mostly spend time working on my own sites. Therefore, I'm afraid I'm going to have to refuse your ridiculous challenge.
                                Now, now there's no need to be feminist, a male one or otherwise. Equality is what we're all after.


                                Lindy
                                See above.
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  • Profile picture of the author KRobertson
    Lindy you're amazing and a huge inspiration to me being a successful, female internet marketer AND a mom! (Both dreams of mine) I sent you a PM and would be very appreciative if you wrote back
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by KRobertson View Post

      Lindy you're amazing and a huge inspiration to me being a successful, female internet marketer AND a mom! (Both dreams of mine) I sent you a PM and would be very appreciative if you wrote back
      Hello KRobertson

      Thank you. Am here now but little bit busy at moment, but for certain will read your email an get back to you very shortly.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author PeckhamPirate
    This is a great thread.

    I've never been that impressed by Amazon affilaite stuff.
    I've tried it and I've failed way more than I've succeeded.

    In my opinion, it's only worth driving traffic to Amazon at this time of year, because people spend big at Christmas, because of the Cookie thing, but the rest of the year it's just not worth it for me.

    I prefer to sell physical products where I'm not earning peanuts per sale, and get to know my customers (sell to them again).

    Running Amazon affiliate sites, in my opinion is way too high maintenance and extremely fragile.

    You're basically trying to position yourself between buyers and the biggest online shop in the world, which is what Amazon has become.

    For me that's about as likely as building a snowman in Hell.

    I've literally trashed the review sites I own, removed all the content and just have videos on them, with a few well-positioned banner ads.

    Seems to me, from all the affiliate deals on the forum, that even if you unerstand how to do the Amazon thing well, you still make more money revealing your methods in a WSO.
    Says it all for me.
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  • Profile picture of the author spideyknight
    How long does it take for search engines to pick up your site for you guys? For one of my sites I have like 30 pages along with focusing on keywords and we don't even get that many views.
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  • Profile picture of the author webmonopoly
    Hmm, ya after multiple checks of this thread its starting to be very fishy haha. There's actually a bunch of stuff that doesn't add up at all. And also some low key software recomendations.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by webmonopoly View Post

      Hmm, ya after multiple checks of this thread its starting to be very fishy haha. There's actually a bunch of stuff that doesn't add up at all. And also some low key software recomendations.
      Hello webmonopoly,

      If your referring to me recommending SLF, its only because we use it ourselves an it works great for us.

      They have an Affiliate Program, I could have been saying email me an I'll give you a link to software we use, but of course I havn't been doing that, Iv jus been saying what we use. I'm not interested in making money from anyone in here, an we have no association with the software or the sellers of that software, except being customers for it ourselves.

      A few others have told of their experience using it. They have no other motive either except helping with their advice. None have given affiliate links to it.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author HunterWoods
    dont you just get like 4% comission or something at amazon?
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    • Profile picture of the author Wickaman
      Originally Posted by HunterWoods View Post

      dont you just get like 4% comission or something at amazon?
      It depends on what you sell, how much you sell, and your country. Amazon is much easier to get commissions than others in my opinion. You can get up to 8% if you're selling enough.
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      • Profile picture of the author vencedor08
        I think you can make more that $1000 a month with Amazon, sadly I live in North Carolina and they are not taking more affiliates from this state.
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        • Profile picture of the author Wade Watson
          Lindy, I'm sorry you're catching some of the patented WF venom. It often takes a thick skin to around this place. I don't really understand where those guys are coming from, either, really. Personally, I don't care if you say you're a giant green Martian and make more than Bill Gates. If your ideas seem good to me, I'll check them out and be grateful to you for sharing. You've outlined a very interesting IM strategy in great detail. Everything regarding your plan the I know about or have looked into checks out. The validity of your more personal aside stories are of little relevance to anyone seriously paying attention to the point here. Thanks again for everything.
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          • Profile picture of the author Banshu Ben
            Lindy, thanks for all your tips.

            When creating that Facebook ad:

            1. Do you offer your free newsletter on that ad?
            2. When they click your ad, does it go to an Optin page located on one of your Facebook Fan page tabs? Or does it go to an Optin page located on your website?

            I really appreciate all the free tips you have given here and I commend your resilience to the doubters. I know very successful people like you, and they are usually people who are not afraid to give, especially if it something that they love doing.
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            • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
              Originally Posted by Banshu Ben View Post

              Lindy, thanks for all your tips.

              When creating that Facebook ad:

              1. Do you offer your free newsletter on that ad?
              2. When they click your ad, does it go to an Optin page located on one of your Facebook Fan page tabs? Or does it go to an Optin page located on your website?

              I really appreciate all the free tips you have given here and I commend your resilience to the doubters. I know very successful people like you, and they are usually people who are not afraid to give, especially if it something that they love doing.
              Hello Banshu Ben,

              Thank you for your comments too. Yes my Dad an I, as well as Sherri jus love what we do, we live an breath Internet Marketing. Our 16 hour work days are not like work to us, jus total enjoyment an fun.

              Re the faceBook Ads:

              1. Yes the Ad is to offer Free Subscription to our Magazine/Publication. We call them by name, we don't refer to them as Newsletters. People need to think their getting value to be willing to sign up to your subscription.

              2. FaceBook really doesn't like you sending people straight out of FB, so you send them to your FB FanPage or FB Page. You can have your optin there, but we prefer to jus feature our Magazine there with a link that goes to an optin page on a website.

              I have described this is a previous reply to Jan Roos, telling why an describing what our optin page looks like. Have a look at that post cause our idea of an optin page very different to the normal, I think I told reasons in detail in that reply.

              Lindy

              PS Jan's questions an my answers were on page 6
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              • Profile picture of the author tdouglas22
                I noticed that someone said that you can't use Amazon links in emails. Check the terms of service and rules for being an affiliate and you'll see that Amazon requires you to advise them of your plans to email market their products so they can review it. After that you're good to go so Email marketing is very viable for Amazon affiliates.
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                • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
                  :confused:
                  I curious how the check been pay..

                  check up..it seem they follow a time frame..

                  60 days???

                  for an example this month dec...you will get your check in feb?

                  than feb payment will be on april??
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          • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
            Originally Posted by Wade Watson View Post

            Lindy, I'm sorry you're catching some of the patented WF venom. It often takes a thick skin to around this place. I don't really understand where those guys are coming from, either, really. Personally, I don't care if you say you're a giant green Martian and make more than Bill Gates. If your ideas seem good to me, I'll check them out and be grateful to you for sharing. You've outlined a very interesting IM strategy in great detail. Everything regarding your plan the I know about or have looked into checks out. The validity of your more personal aside stories are of little relevance to anyone seriously paying attention to the point here. Thanks again for everything.
            Hello Wade,

            Thank you. But luckily I'm not a Giant Green Martian. lol.

            Perhaps I get too personal in my stories but really to show where I have come from and what can be achieved, not to brag in any way.

            People normally don't take offence to that an in fact many here both in the thread an whole lot more in my email have told me my story inspire's them, which is what I seek to do.

            I have even used my story as basis for Magazine Articles in different Internet Marketing & Business Opportunity Magazines published in various countries over last few years. (Not our publications but Print Magazines that are sold in news agencies) I have always got nothing but positive response from those articles too.

            Of course my Dad edits an spell checks those for me before submitting to publishers. I readily admit my spelling isn't that great, but I have told people why.

            Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author crazymatt
    Very possible but it needs works and patience.

    I've been working for appr. 3 years day and night to bring 3-5k monthly.

    Build a site that people will trust, and it will earn you on autopilot. Focus on one site first.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve Garratt
    I see nothing in this thread to indicate anything but good intentions from Lindy and I have, unlike some, read every post. I suggest that those in here who have been registered 5 minutes with low post count and quality keep quiet unless you have something useful to say.

    Lindy please ignore them.
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    • Profile picture of the author LindyUK
      Originally Posted by Steve Garratt View Post

      I see nothing in this thread to indicate anything but good intentions from Lindy and I have, unlike some, read every post. I suggest that those in here who have been registered 5 minutes with low post count and quality keep quiet unless you have something useful to say.

      Lindy please ignore them.
      Thank you Steve.

      Yes I will, my Dad said to do that too. He said their like those homeboys, all swagger an no substance. An I think they have proven that when none of them have accepted my challenge to come in here on a daily basis an start teaching their ways of Affiliate Marketing in detail.

      That would be helping others not me, but seems their not very interested in sharing much of their knowledge with others.

      Lindy
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  • Profile picture of the author shuvoimtiaz
    Yaa... Its definitely possible. But you need to choose 2 types of products.

    1. Very low price, high demand. Like ebooks. This will increase your number of sales and commission rate.
    2. High priced products with medium demand. This will boost your income.
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