[GordonJ]

Speculation. Conjecture. Guessing.

Not much to go on to do much other than "wait and see", is there? Will it blow over and be gone by Spring? Just the beginning?

Will the China shutdown slow the world economy? What is at stake, if anything?

Do you have any sort of an opportunistic venture? We don't know, YET. But it is rapidly becoming top of mind trending...for now. It could trigger another "cycle", this one a downturn in the world economy, a lower stock market, higher unemployment, or is it more let's sweat that bridge when we get to it?

GordonJ

[Kay King]

I did post about it - when it delayed (and still has) an Amazon order placed in January...it's a problem for drop shippers....and a major disruption in business for China.



https://www.warriorforum.com/ecommer...rt-amazon.html

[IGotMine]

It's Mother Nature thinning the herd.

The planet currently has 40% more humans than it can sustain.

Something has to give.

As far as "top of mind" it's not for me. I don't see how it could impact my life unless it kills me. I'm not long for this world in any case, so...

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by GordonJ

Speculation. Conjecture. Guessing.

Not much to go on to do much other than "wait and see", is there? Will it blow over and be gone by Spring? Just the beginning?

Will the China shutdown slow the world economy? What is at stake, if anything?

Do you have any sort of an opportunistic venture? We don't know, YET. But it is rapidly becoming top of mind trending...for now. It could trigger another "cycle", this one a downturn in the world economy, a lower stock market, higher unemployment, or is it more let's sweat that bridge when we get to it?

GordonJ

I read about it today, or best estimates are a 8 to 12 billion hole in our economy, (AU) or minus any surpluses, less than 10.

There is even talk it will put AU into a mini recession, which l doubt AU, has had just as big hits in our past and paid it off,...eventually.

Originally Posted by IGotMine

It's Mother Nature thinning the herd.

The planet currently has 40% more humans than it can sustain.

Something has to give.

As far as "top of mind" it's not for me. I don't see how it could impact my life unless it kills me. I'm not long for this world in any case, so...

1800 current death rate isn't really thinning, although if we opened our gates to all and the worst happened about 1 million Aussies could be dead or ill.

Could affect the tourist side of the stock market, but it seems to be leaving the key indices alone.

[James London]

Opens up a great niche opportunity to say the least.

[Khloe Hunter]

This is going to have quite an impact.

[Jeffery]

CNN News published less than an hour ago.

Coronavirus death toll rises above 2,000 worldwide
Updated 8:32 a.m. ET, February 19, 2020

The death toll: The novel coronavirus has now killed more than 2,000 people, all but six of them in mainland China. It has infected more than 75,000 people, with over 1,000 cases outside mainland China.

What's happening on the cruise ship: The remaining passengers aboard the Diamond Princess in Japan began disembarking Wednesday after a 14-day quarantine. A total of 624 cases of the virus are linked to the stricken ship.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Kay King

I did post about it - when it delayed (and still has) an Amazon order placed in January...it's a problem for drop shippers....and a major disruption in business for China.

https://www.warriorforum.com/ecommer...rt-amazon.html

That is worthy.

[Kay King]

has now killed more than 2,000 people, all but six of them in mainland China

That says a lot about the quick decisions made and action taken by other countries dealing with travel that could spread the virus. The common wisdom (from past epidemics) is that weather will end the disease - that would happen about April according to experts.

This will drive many drop shippers out of business, won't it? Those who have the capital to sustain a downturn will be OK - those small online marketers who are selling piece by piece and relying on income from one product to buy the next...will need to find something else to do.

Will large manufacturers decide to spread some of their business outside China - or will humans do as usual and forget the problem once it goes away...for now? Will consumers begin to demand sellers like ebay and Amazon and Google give accurate 'ship from' locations rather than 'port of entry'?

Whether natural disaster or the favorite term 'black swan' -businesses surviving on the edge will be gone. The hit to China's economy is huge and, to me, that's the one to watch for the next few months.

My guess is once the cases decline and the problem is no longer in the news daily - people will forget it. That's what happens after major hurricanes and earthquakes, tornadoes, wildfires, and floods. The damage to the Chinese economy is huge.


Loss to cruise ship lines will be significant - and to travel companies and tour companies... I figure when people take a cruise they are knowingly accepting the risk of whatever part of the world they are visiting.

Opens up a great niche opportunity to say the least.

Just curious - what niche would that be?

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Just curious - what niche would that be?

The company that is producing hand sanitizers is one, (demand is outstripping supply).

[Kay King]

https://money.cnn.com/2009/10/22/new...and_sanitizer/


note 2009 date - there were other similar articles for each flu outbreak since


In South Korea it's a crime to 'hoard' face masks or sanitizer - yet experts say there is no proof either of those is sufficient protection.


Probably regional shortages - shopping yesterday the aisles of several stores had big displays of hand sanitizers, lysol sprays to kill germs, etc.



Is 'fear' a niche?

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Kay King

<snip>

This will drive many drop shippers out of business, won't it? Those who have the capital to sustain a downturn will be OK - those small online marketers who are selling piece by piece and relying on income from one product to buy the next...will need to find something else to do.

<snip>

Yes, I believe many small online marketers will need to find something else to do based on the mentality that many of the beginners on this forum and other forums shoot for Get Rich Quick drop shipping schemes since the quick buck in drop shipping will no longer be the quick buck it was purported to be by the snake oil peddlers.

But we know how snake oil peddlers are - there will be a new way to promoted the next big thing.

I'm already seeing members in other forums involved in drop shipping asking about ideas for a new 'side hustle' and I am certain the snake oil peddlers are contriving to fill that.

Originally Posted by Kay King

<snip>

Probably regional shortages - shopping yesterday the aisles of several stores had big displays of hand sanitizers, lysol sprays to kill germs, etc.

Is 'fear' a niche?

Yes, definitely. You know I buy wholesale and resell at flea-markets. I had my share of wholesale offers for the sanitizers, etc. Also, bottled water, bread machines and of all things.. vegetable seeds!

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Yes, I believe many small online marketers will need to find something else to do based on the mentality that many of the beginners on this forum and other forums shoot for Get Rich Quick drop shipping schemes since the quick buck in drop shipping will no longer be the quick buck it was purported to be by the snake oil peddlers.

But we know how snake oil peddlers are - there will be a new way to promoted the next big thing.

As a Certified Snake Oil Peddler, I find your remarks to be offensive. True, but offensive.

[Kay King]

of all things.. vegetable seeds!

That might be the smartest request of all.

I know a man who is a self proclaimed 'prepper'. He's spent a fortune on preserved foods and water purification stuff and tools and appliances (some electric) and generators to run the stuff but no plan for what to do if gasoline is not available. He said that's 'one of things I still need to work out.'

When I asked about chicken feed or livestock supplies...he answered "I'm not a farmer"....same reason he gave for a limited supply of garden seed. He definitely would buy a 'bread machine' - lol.

Not sure who is going to restock his grocery store after the sky falls... That man is the reason I tend to confuse the words 'woke' and 'weak'.

[AdmanMrWoo]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Yes, of all things.. vegetable seeds!

For a while now, I have a sneaky suspicion that EVERYTHING runs in cycles. And for the past 60 years or more, the farmers have had the crap beat out of them by the finance guys... the finance guys make all the dough, and the farmer boys get sh*t on year after year.



Well.. CYCLES can't last forever, or they wouldn't be "cycles."

So, would it be tough to believe or envision that FARMERS will have their day in the sun, and the FINANCE boys will have to get jobs driving taxi's or if they are lucky, driving tractors?



There is now a resurgence in farming by hand, without the tractor, and guess what??? If you get rid of the tractor, you actually make more money.

Tractor farmers make something like $300 per year per acre.

"No-Till" farmers make something like $100,000 OR MORE per year per acre.

Tractor farmers need 1,000 acres and a bank as a partner.

The "No-Till" farmers need one acre, and they can tell the banker to kiss off.

Also note: The tractor farmers typically know NOTHING about "direct marketing". They sell to Walmart and Costco and the commodity exchange for pennies, mere pennies on the dollar.

But the "No-Till" farmers LOVE marketing direct to end users. They get top dollar. They can even do a mini-version of the "futures" market with a setup called CSA (Community Supported Agriculture).. getting paid UP FRONT for the harvest later on.



It does no good to make all that money in marketing if there is nothing to eat. Grow your own. And fast.



You might want to know who the heroes are in the gardening/farming universe: Joel Salatin, Singing Frogs Farm, john martin fortier. Curtis Stone, Eliot Coleman, Greg Judy,

Bob Canard

, 100,000 Beating Hearts, and others.



If you want "SUCCESS" in life, it must come with SUCCESS IN THE GARDEN.



GET THIS-- All those folks in the city, are so very dependent on produce coming in from the rural areas... the rural guys can get along just fine without the entertainment and gambling opportunities of the city guys... but not the other way around.



Learn to grow, garlic, and tomatoes, tobacco and spinach, Success is really all about satisfaction.

Just thinking.

Linwood

[Jeffery]

Linwood,


Care to say what is really on your mind? Mean that in a good way.

[Princess Balestra]

We gotta remembah always how mortal endeavor an' mortifyin' forces go hand in hand.

Always there are circumstances beyond our control that inflooence the control we have ovah stuff.

rn I would wanna wonder 'bout anywan dyin' ... or real scared 'bout dowin' the same bcs they close to where bad stuff is gowin' down.

Deal here in downtown amygdalalaland is same as if you got a shootin' ... or your local volcano spat its load ovah your ass ... 'part from the global transmissivity & its potential impact.

Fear is ... this could spread anyplace.

An' the deal here is same as the fires ragin' down in Oz an' alla them calamitious stuffs suggest there is srs happenstanso way bigger than individyools an' their corporations & nations to fix.

Far as I can see, most sales stuff rocks out on 2 essential premises.

1) Gimme what I want.

2) Lemme keep what I got.

Fundamental to both is a bedrock of certainty which what you might wanna call nachrl disasters diminishes big time.

Ansa here is both immediate an' long term.

Gotta do evrythin' we can to contain the outbreak based on all the science stuff we got, an' try not to wappo out all stoopid along the way.

In regulah towns, regulah people get all kindsa regulah ill — an' VIRUS PANIC among the doobiously hypochondriac don't help nowan.

Next thing is, hey for sure we don't fully know all the WHY, WHAT an' HOW — but this virus persists bcs there is a BECAUSE.

Jus' gotta unravel that, which is why I love science so in my atrophication as a writer of crapola.

As citizens of the planet (no runnin' away now!), mebbe we all wakin' up to how there ain't evah no safe & secure refuge less'ns we zap out on myootyual smartness to figure all the stuff happnin' beyond our bathroom mirrors of Glory Reflection.

An' I say this with soopreme humility bcs frankly whenevah I gaze into mine, it is all I can do to refrain from lookin' trooly delish.

The worst kinda terror rages wild when there is nuthin' we can do.

Which says to Moi we gotta bring all the smart stuff we got to bear 'pon these kindsa ishoos.

Bcs otherwise all the downhome stuff don't get to happen so good.

Who wants a luxury mobile tannin' salon visitin' their home — complete with hunky masseurs — when it is 113 degrees in the shade, an' all the hunky masseurs got their whammo bobbles destroyed by a global testosterone-destroyin' parasite spawned from outta noplace?

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Yes, I believe many small online marketers will need to find something else to do based on the mentality that many of the beginners on this forum and other forums shoot for Get Rich Quick drop shipping schemes since the quick buck in drop shipping will no longer be the quick buck it was purported to be by the snake oil peddlers.

But we know how snake oil peddlers are - there will be a new way to promoted the next big thing.

I'm already seeing members in other forums involved in drop shipping asking about ideas for a new 'side hustle' and I am certain the snake oil peddlers are contriving to fill that.

Yes, definitely. You know I buy wholesale and resell at flea-markets. I had my share of wholesale offers for the sanitizers, etc. Also, bottled water, bread machines and of all things.. vegetable seeds!

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

As a Certified Snake Oil Peddler, I find your remarks to be offensive. True, but offensive.

Claude,


Unfortunately, a WF Leash has been put on me, so I can't good naturedly joke with 'you' anymore.


Jeffery

[pramodtapu]

I think a big turn of the china economics and health point. Its effect goes to long time for china.

[derekwong28]

I am a virologist who went through the SARS crisis in Hong Kong in 2003. At that time, my laboratory had the largest collection of SARS virus cultures in the world.

Things are much faster moving this time round. The outlook has worsened markedly in the past 48 hours. We have local outbreaks in Italy, Iran and S. Korea with seemingly no connection to China. The chances of a pandemic has increased exponentially. In fact, it may even have passed the stage that a pandemic is preventable. In a pandemic, every country will be affected and have outbreaks. Unless you shut yourself off from the rest of the world.

The hope is that when the summer months come, the virus will spread less efficiently and perhaps die out like SARS. However, there is no guarantee that this will happen. In fact, the virus is spreading in Singapore which has a tropical climate. Hopefully vaccines and more effective treatments will be available in future.

[WF- Enzo]

Originally Posted by Kay King

In South Korea it's a crime to 'hoard' face masks or sanitizer - yet experts say there is no proof either of those is sufficient protection.

People have hoarded face masks here since the eruption of Taal Volcano, and accentuated by the virus.

[Claude Whitacre]

Originally Posted by Jeffery

Claude,


Unfortunately, a WF Leash has been put on me, so I can't good naturedly joke with 'you' anymore.


Jeffery

Too bad. I rather enjoy your jokes.

By the way, I have heard from the highest source in the country that this will all be gone by April. Yup, we are all saved.

And it true, because the one saying it is a stable genius.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Too bad. I rather enjoy your jokes.

By the way, I have heard from the highest source in the country that this will all be gone by April. Yup, we are all saved..

Don't worry Claude. We got your back. Mean that in a good way

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

And it true, because the one saying it is a stable genius.

[hardraysnight]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Too bad. I rather enjoy your jokes.

By the way, I have heard from the highest source in the country that this will all be gone by April. Yup, we are all saved.

And it true, because the one saying it is a stable genius.

is mr ed a stable genius?

[AdmanMrWoo]

The great Murray Rothbard said "An entrepreneur is nothing more than a speculator".

We as marketers must keep our eye on what's coming down the road so we can take action, to avoid harm or ride a wave.

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by AdmanMrWoo

The great Murray Rothbard said "An entrepreneur is nothing more than a speculator".

We as marketers must keep our eye on what's coming down the road so we can take action, to avoid harm or ride a wave.

Death rate stands at 2700, with most from China, and in AU, hand sanitizer sales are still booming. So much so Coles is increasing orders to keep the shelves stocked up.

But medical experts are saying that it isn't necessary, unless you are working in close contact with someone infested, and are advising people to not wear masks in public as it is useless and only depletes much needed stocks for hospitals.

He also said that around 750,000 Aussies could be infected if the worst case scenario happened.

[Kay King]

750,000 - not anyone I'd listen to. Australis has 25 cases and 15 have recovered...


I've found it best to ignore the media's attempt to create panic - and I just check a site (not related to me in any way) for the numbers.



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[whateverpedia]

A thought occurred to me regarding the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. This takes place around the end of July and attracts over 2 million people each year.

If COVID19 hasn't been controlled and there's still no vaccine available by then, will the Saudi authorities call it off this year?

MODERATORS PLEASE NOTE THIS ISN'T A POST ABOUT RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HAVING OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD CONVERGING IN ONE AREA AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN RETURNING HOME.

Furthermore, how is each nation going to handle the quarantine procedure for that many people? Obviously they're not going to be allowed to just waltz through the airports and return to their respective communities. It's going to be a nightmare considering how many airports will need to be covered for returning pilgrims.

[Kay King]

By July, my guess is this won't be in the news every day. If it is, it will be up to the people and the leaders involved to make some hard decisions.

The only space you control is the space YOU are in. It's up to each affected or potentially infected country to use methods to protect their citizens. It's up to individuals to use common sense - when did that ever happen?

So, how will this story wrap up? Experts say one possibility is that cases of the disease will start decreasing when enough people develop immunity, either through infection or vaccination. Another possible scenario is that the virus will continue to circulate and establish itself as a common respiratory virus.

Media likes to compare this virus with SARS from 2003 - but perhaps it's only the latest mutation. A virus doesn't disappear but it can weaken as the population develops antibodies - it can mutate to a different strain.


This virus is like a tsunami or a hurricane - it will go where it is going to go. We will adapt.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

A thought occurred to me regarding the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. This takes place around the end of July and attracts over 2 million people each year.

If COVID19 hasn't been controlled and there's still no vaccine available by then, will the Saudi authorities call it off this year?

MODERATORS PLEASE NOTE THIS ISN'T A POST ABOUT RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HAVING OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD CONVERGING IN ONE AREA AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN RETURNING HOME.

Furthermore, how is each nation going to handle the quarantine procedure for that many people? Obviously they're not going to be allowed to just waltz through the airports and return to their respective communities. It's going to be a nightmare considering how many airports will need to be covered for returning pilgrims.

Watty, your logic always impresses me. To think that far ahead and question the consequences is epic .


I'd thank you, buy I am not worthy, so.. Thank You sir."

[socialentry]

Originally Posted by Kay King

750,000 - not anyone I'd listen to. Australis has 25 cases and 15 have recovered...


I've found it best to ignore the media's attempt to create panic - and I just check a site (not related to me in any way) for the numbers.



https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut..._growth_model/

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by socialentry

https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeaut..._growth_model/

this might be more useful

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[socialentry]

Originally Posted by kenmichaels

this might be more useful

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The problem is that this link likely takes its cue from Chinese official figures.

I'm not a biostatistician, but I did find this:

In terms of the virus data, the number of cumulative deaths reported is described by a simple mathematical formula to a very high accuracy, according to a quantitative-finance specialist who ran a regression of the data for Barron’s. A near-perfect 99.99% of variance is explained by the equation, this person said.

Put in an investing context, that variance, or so-called r-squared value, would mean that an investor could predict tomorrow’s stock price with almost perfect accuracy. In this case, the high r-squared means there is essentially zero unexpected variability in reported cases day after day.


Barron’s re-created the regression analysis of total deaths caused by the virus, which first emerged in the central Chinese city of Wuhan at the end of last year, and found similarly high variance. We ran it by Melody Goodman, associate professor of biostatistics at New York University’s School of Global Public Health.

“I have never in my years seen an r-squared of 0.99,” Goodman says. “As a statistician, it makes me question the data.”

Real human data are never perfectly predictive when it comes to something like an epidemic, Goodman says, since there are countless ways that a person could come into contact with the virus.
For context, Goodman says a “really good” r-squared, in terms of public health data, would be a 0.7. “Anything like 0.99,” she said, “would make me think that someone is simulating data. It would mean you already know what is going to happen.”

https://www.barrons.com/articles/chi...oo-51581622840

[Kay King]

Same link I posted above - and it may not be accurate entirely - but it's a good overview of why the current hysteria in MOST countries is overplayed.


China may not be giving accurate numbers - but we can only work with what they provide.



Today the news is all over with the 'new case in Chicago' - not mentioning it's the only new case today and the only one in Chicago.

[Jeffery]

Originally Posted by whateverpedia

A thought occurred to me regarding the annual Hajj pilgrimage to Mecca in Saudi Arabia. This takes place around the end of July and attracts over 2 million people each year.

If COVID19 hasn't been controlled and there's still no vaccine available by then, will the Saudi authorities call it off this year?

MODERATORS PLEASE NOTE THIS ISN'T A POST ABOUT RELIGION. IT'S ABOUT THE POTENTIAL DANGERS OF HAVING OVER 2 MILLION PEOPLE FROM ALL AROUND THE WORLD CONVERGING IN ONE AREA AT THE SAME TIME, AND THEN RETURNING HOME.

Furthermore, how is each nation going to handle the quarantine procedure for that many people? Obviously they're not going to be allowed to just waltz through the airports and return to their respective communities. It's going to be a nightmare considering how many airports will need to be covered for returning pilgrims.

How Iran Became a New Epicenter of the Coronavirus Outbreak
NewYorker.com February 28, 2020

Excerpts:

Iran’s deputy health minister, Iraj Harirchi, in a press conference on Monday told reporters that the Islamic Republic had “almost stabilized” the country’s outbreak of coronavirus.

Harirchi dismissed as hype an Iranian lawmaker’s claim that fifty people had already died from COVID-19. “I will resign if the numbers are even half or a quarter of this,” he said, adding that Iran had only sixty-one confirmed cases, with twelve deaths.

The next day, Harirchi confirmed in a video - from quarantine - that he had contracted coronavirus.

Iran, a country of eighty-three million people, has now become one of the global epicenters of the coronavirus - with the highest mortality rate in the world.

Thursday, the Vice-President, Masoumeh Ebtekar -who gained fame in 1979 as Sister Mary, the spokeswoman for the students who seized the U.S. Embassy and took fifty-two Americans hostage—announced that she, too, had contracted the coronavirus.

The outbreak appears to have started in Qom which draws pilgrims from all over the world.

... the head of the shrine in Qom called on pilgrims to keep coming.

[Claude Whitacre]

Soooooo...

So far, a tad over 90,000 have been tested positive for the virus and a tad more than 3,000 have died.

That's over 3% so far, very high for a virus.

The problem is that it can take a couple of weeks for symptoms to show. And you can touch a lot of people in 2 weeks.

My wife is stocking up on food and hand sanitizer for the "Pandemic".

Me? I'll start worrying when there are 5,000 cases in Ohio. And then it will mean the chances of my getting the virus will be about 1% or more.

It seems like a very severe strain of the flu. 20 times more likely to kill you than the flu, but not like a plague.

On FOX last night I saw someone asked "Can you catch the Caronavirus if you eat Chinese food?" I'm not joking.

[Odahh]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Soooooo...





On FOX last night I saw someone asked "Can you catch the Caronavirus if you eat Chinese food?" I'm not joking.

i was rreading one of the transmission methods is in fecal matter .the same way heppititis a and e coli can be transmitted .

so the answer would be any food prepared by those with poor hand washing habits and or now wearing gloves preparing food ..

but honestly if you eat chinees food and drink a few Coronas at the same time your probable a goner .

at this point Americans do not really have to worry until it gets into homeless populations in major cities . especially in san fransisco where homeless take care of bodily function any where they wish .

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by Claude Whitacre

Soooooo...

So far, a tad over 90,000 have been tested positive for the virus and a tad more than 3,000 have died.

That's over 3% so far, very high for a virus.

The problem is that it can take a couple of weeks for symptoms to show. And you can touch a lot of people in 2 weeks.

My wife is stocking up on food and hand sanitizer for the "Pandemic".

Me? I'll start worrying when there are 5,000 cases in Ohio. And then it will mean the chances of my getting the virus will be about 1% or more.

It seems like a very severe strain of the flu. 20 times more likely to kill you than the flu, but not like a plague.

On FOX last night I saw someone asked "Can you catch the Caronavirus if you eat Chinese food?" I'm not joking.

I heard today that people in AU, are doing a runner with toilet paper, and some are even stocking up to resell at inflated prices to the Chinese, which is another opportunity, but not a very nice one.

And apparently bread is flying off the shelves, which l don't believe since l was at Safeway's on Monday and they where stocked til the hilt.

I would say that Kay is correct and the media are just making it up as they go alone, which is nothing new for them!

[Kay King]

Interesting viral 'news clip' making the rounds...shows how difficult it is for the average person to obey even the most common sense protections.


A local official in California gave a short speech about protections against the coronavirus - advised the public to wash hand hands frequently and NEVER touch their hands to their face.


She then licked her index finger to turn to the next page of her notes.....

[tagiscom]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Interesting viral 'news clip' making the rounds...shows how difficult it is for the average person to obey even the most common sense protections.

A local official in California gave a short speech about protections against the coronavirus - advised the public to wash hand hands frequently and NEVER touch their hands to their face.

She then licked her index finger to turn to the next page of her notes.....

But she washed her hands first!

It is insane in AU, at the moment, or l went to Safeway, (Woolies) yesterday and the shelves where stripped of toilet paper, paper towels and tissues.

Officeworks similar, but they at least had some tissues left, (grabbed 4, and those annoying paper towels they use in toilet blocks).

Then tried an independent supermarket, and they had half a dozen left, (half dozen rolls of 4 or 8) so grabbed a few.

Everyone was curtious and only took what they needed, unlike some who are proffering from this, and others who don't think they just panic.

Had a chat to someone at OW about this and she said that some have gone to Cosco, with a panel van, and just spent all day going back and forth loading up.

[AdmanMrWoo]

Time to brush up on the FOUR THIEVES VINEGAR DRINK.

Story goes: The thieves were stealing stuff from those who died from the plague.

They did not die because they drank a vinegar concoction with garlic, honey, etc.

[strategic seo services]

I have a trip booked to Florida next week, should I postpone it? I don't know how safe it is to fly right now with this virus... Thoughts?

[kenmichaels]

Originally Posted by strategic seo services

I have a trip booked to Florida next week, should I postpone it? I don't know how safe it is to fly right now with this virus... Thoughts?

I live in Florida and I don't know what the truth is.

I have access to civil defense, 911, police and school network due to family and whatnot. ALL of them started preparing for some bad stuff two weeks ago.

Which in my mind is great - but they weren't saying anything publicly.

Now they are.

The stores I have been to are empty of people and supplies, I was driving at rush hour yesterday in the heart of the city with hardly any traffic.

It feels just like hurricane season, with the exception...I have never seen a group of people hush talking and crying about being afraid of dying and having their family wiped out due to asthma. The old people who are out are doing that. The young ones are on the beach parting...its spring break and bike week. The time of year a lot of people in this area make their money for the entire year.

So that alone is a recipe for disaster...lots of people are going to be hurting next year over this. I bet a lot of the seasonal bizz will be lost forever this year.

As far as getting into a plane - not me, not for a while. AND if it is safe what are you going to do when you get here? I think as things progress more and more places will shut down.

A smart bet says you might get stranded here if you do fly.

[jonathanstier1soloads]

Hi. I would still take basic per-cautions and make sure one's immune system is strong with a good diet.

[derekwong28]

Looks like Italy is going to follow China by quarantining an entire province.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-51787238

All schools here in Hong Kong have been closed since late January till April 20th. It is a massive headache for us and other parents. I am thinking of sending my younger daughter for a visit to her aunt in Germany for 3 weeks. But it looks likely that a major outbreak will happen in Germany. If that happens, she may be quarantined for 14 days when she gets back to Hong Kong.

[tagiscom]

Yes, toilet rolls in AU, is getting ridiculous, or l heard of someone in my state, (video on FB or Twitter, but l couldn't be bothered posting it) fighting over a 12 pack, and someone in Sydney using a knife when shelves were restocked.

When l went to an independent store, we bought what we needed, not some AH grabbing it all.

But now all shelves are empty including the small ones, which doesn't worry me, but l will order it online if l get down to my last pack, and this demented hysteria continues.

I really feel for the elderly that don't have a car, and have to use a bus, train and walk to find the stuff, but as most things in our world that rely on spooking the masses, the poor and frail get clobbered.

I am waiting for a punch up in a car park, because someone brought 10 bundles, and others are desperate.

Went to Ebay with two selling a 24 pack for $1,500 to $5000, unbelievable, with the funny thing is they have to keep buying constantly to be able to get these sort of insane prices.

And AU, makes the stuff, so these selfish creatures will be fighting a losing battle.

[lanfear63]

Originally Posted by tagiscom

Yes, toilet rolls in AU, is getting ridiculous, or l heard of someone in my state, (video on FB or Twitter, but l couldn't be bothered posting it) fighting over a 12 pack, and someone in Sydney using a knife when shelves were restocked.

When l went to an independent store, we bought what we needed, not some AH grabbing it all.

But now all shelves are empty including the small ones, which doesn't worry me, but l will order it online if l get down to my last pack, and this demented hysteria continues.

I really feel for the elderly that don't have a car, and have to use a bus, train and walk to find the stuff, but as most things in our world that rely on spooking the masses, the poor and frail get clobbered.

I am waiting for a punch up in a car park, because someone brought 10 bundles, and others are desperate.

Went to Ebay with two selling a 24 pack for $1,500 to $5000, unbelievable, with the funny thing is they have to keep buying constantly to be able to get these sort of insane prices.

And AU, makes the stuff, so these selfish creatures will be fighting a losing battle.

"I am waiting for a punch up in a car park, because someone brought 10 bundles, and others are desperate."

Good one

[kenmichaels]

Well, the news just broke that it's in my home county now. ugg.

I'm starting to think that this is going to get worse than most imagine.

TBH I'm glad my kid and I are healthy and not in a worrisome age bracket,
but most of my real friends and cherished peeps aren't that healthy and are older.

My favorite three people are 83, 84 and 85.
Luckily they live in the real world and not in an assisted living facility.
I think I'm starting to get genuinely worried for them.

[derekwong28]

This just in, the WHO has just declared coronavirus as a pandemic

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-51839944

"WHO chief Dr Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said the number of cases outside China had increased 13-fold over the past two weeks.

He said he was "deeply concerned" by "alarming levels of inaction" over the virus."

In the meantime, China declares victory over coronavirus

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/03/10/a...hnk/index.html

"As the coronavirus spreads around the world, China has been increasingly vocal about what it appears to feel is a lack of appreciation from the global community for its efforts to contain the outbreak, and preventing the crisis from being even worse than it may turn out to be."

It is sending help to Italy and other countries.

https://www.scmp.com/news/china/dipl...lp-italy-fight

[Claude Whitacre]

Okey Dokey..

There are now over 115,000 cases worldwide and 4,200 deaths..

This makes this about 40 times more lethal than a flu.

It's now in almost every state in the US.

Is there a reason to panic? I don't think so....but if you're over the age of 60, or have serious health problems, I sure as heck wouldn't plan a vacation. plane trip, cruise, or go to any large gatherings.

Because if you're over 65 years old, and get this bug...it may have a 10% chance of killing you. And that's just too high.